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"The curtains are new, but the windows are old, all the stories passing through already been told."-SK From ThomasIrv@aol.com Tue Feb 7 21:30 PST 1995 From: ThomasIrv@aol.com Subject: New member I've finally got signed up to this thing after being on AOL and talking Church for about 6 months. My first Church memories are of my friend's Remote Luxury poster, on which I noticed there was a guy with great hair in his eyes who looked very cool. Unfortunately, the music didn't quite move me yet when my friend played the album for me. Then I saw Heyday in the store and bought it just for the cover. There was THAT GUY again, and he had even longer hair! I will always remember the incredible feeling that I got from hearing "Myrrh" and knowing within a few minutes that this album was going to change my life. Anyway, THAT GUY was of course Marty and I have been a diehard fan ever since. I was also a big All About Eve fan for years, so when Marty joined with them it was the most fantastic thing ever. I've since been fortunate to see them twice on the Starfish Tour (San Francisco and Omaha) and once on the G.A.F. tour (Minneapolis) and just returned from So. California where I saw them 3 times and met either Marty or Steve at each show! (I live in Lincoln, Nebraska and would STRONGLY recommend traveling to see the band-you'll meet up with other fans and make plenty of new friends). I'll be posting my review of these shows in the coming days. "And once it's started up, it cannot be stopped At least it's holding us together" --SK Thomas Irvin From ThomasIrv@aol.com Tue Feb 7 21:35 PST 1995 From: ThomasIrv@aol.com Subject: House of Blues show The House of Blues, for those of you who haven't been there, is supposed to look like a Louisiana factory-shack-on-the-bayou kind of place, with a folk art interior. Well, they sort of pulled it off. But it's still pretty unbelievable, more so in light of its West Hollywood location. Anyway, the show was at first looking like no one was going to show up, with only about 40 people in the place shortly before showtime. Then people started showing up. There was a good crowd by the time they took the stage. They closed the curtains for the big intro, then opened 'em back up and out came Steve, sporting rather short hair and Martin Chambers sideburns (you know, the drummer from the Pretenders). Marty came bouncing out in what Denise (Salonen@AOL.com) called his new "Prince Valliant" haircut. They plugged in and played a new song in E minor. I'm not sure what it's called, but Denise said they played it last year when she saw them. It contains the line, "This is hardly paradise" so when it comes out, you'll recognize it. It's a duet, kind of like "Two Places at Once" in that Steve and Marty's vocal lines are completely different in terms of melody and meter. The rest of the set went: Shadow Cabinet Tristesse Mistress (note the rhyme!) Grind Providence (Jack Frost Song) Will I Start to Bleed (MWP solo from "Spirit Level") Month of Sundays Almost with You Don't Look Back My Little Problem Under the Milky Way 10,000 Miles Hotel Womb and then they encored with Reptile and were gone. The SJC shows were for the most part better. I'll get to them in a later post. The story of the woman getting up onstage and dancing during Reptile is true, (in particular the part about her being intoxicated and completely out of place) and I spoke with her after the show and she said she got to talk to them backstage. Man, the injustice of it all! I met a guy whose friend recorded the show. I'll be writing him soon and will advise if copies will be available. Thomas Irvin From ThomasIrv@aol.com Fri Feb 10 05:55 PST 1995 From: ThomasIrv@aol.com Subject: New Member I've finally got signed up to this thing after being on AOL and talking Church for about 6 months. My first Church memories are of my friend's Remote Luxury poster, on which I noticed there was a guy with great hair in his eyes who looked very cool. Unfortunately, the music didn't quite move me yet when my friend played the album for me. Then I saw Heyday in the store and bought it just for the cover. There was THAT GUY again, and he had even longer hair! I will always remember the incredible feeling that I got from hearing "Myrrh" and knowing within a few minutes that this album was going to change my life. Anyway, THAT GUY was of course Marty and I have been a diehard fan ever since. I was also a big All About Eve fan for years, so when Marty joined with them it was the most fantastic thing ever. I've since been fortunate to see them twice on the Starfish Tour (San Francisco and Omaha) and once on the G.A.F. tour (Minneapolis) and just returned from So. California where I saw them 3 times and met either Marty or Steve at each show! (I live in Lincoln, Nebraska and would STRONGLY recommend traveling to see the band-you'll meet up with other fans and make plenty of new friends). I'll be posting my review of these shows in the coming days. "And once it's started up, it cannot be stopped At least it's holding us together" --SK Thomas Irvin From ThomasIrv@aol.com Fri Feb 10 05:58 PST 1995 From: ThomasIrv@aol.com Subject: House of Blues Show The House of Blues, for those of you who haven't been there, is supposed to look like a Louisiana factory-shack-on-the-bayou kind of place, with a folk art interior. Well, they sort of pulled it off. But it's still pretty unbelievable, more so in light of its West Hollywood location. Anyway, the show was at first looking like no one was going to show up, with only about 40 people in the place shortly before showtime. Then people started showing up. There was a good crowd by the time they took the stage. They closed the curtains for the big intro, then opened 'em back up and out came Steve, sporting rather short hair and Martin Chambers sideburns (you know, the drummer from the Pretenders). Marty came bouncing out in what Denise (Salonen@aol.com) called his new "Prince Valliant" haircut. They plugged in and played a new song in E minor. I'm not sure what it's called, but Denise said they played it last year when she saw them. It contains the line, "This is hardly paradise" so when it comes out, you'll recognize it. It's a duet, kind of like "Two Places at Once" in that Steve and Marty's vocal lines are completely different in terms of melody and meter. The rest of the set went: Shadow Cabinet Tristesse Mistress (note the rhyme!) Grind Providence (Jack Frost Song) Will I Start to Bleed (MWP solo from "Spirit Level") Month of Sundays Almost with You Don't Look Back My Little Problem Under the Milky Way 10,000 Miles Hotel Womb and then they encored with Reptile and were gone. The SJC shows were for the most part better. I'll get to them in a later post. The story of the woman getting up onstage and dancing during Reptile is true, (in particular the part about her being intoxicated and completely out of place) and I spoke with her after the show and she said she got to talk to them backstage. Man, the injustice of it all! I met a guy whose friend recorded the show. I'll be writing him soon and will advise if copies will be available. Thomas Irvin From ThomasIrv@aol.com Sun Feb 12 13:35 PST 1995 From: ThomasIrv@aol.com Subject: Desert Island "In this desert, beneath the sun and stars..." This is a tough one, because the discs you take with you to a desert island, no matter how loved they may be, will eventually become overplayed and you WILL hate them. Having said that, here's my go at the best discs with which to travel to your doom: Beatles-White Album Beatles-Yellow Submarine (Everybody hates this one and I don't know why) Beatles-Abbey Road Church-Priest=Aura Church-Starfish Church-Heyday Church-Sometime Anywhere & Somewhere Else Church-Blurred Crusade Church-Oh, hell, might as well include everything else they've done All About Eve-Ultraviolet (If you like Marty's feedback on P=A then you MUST hear his work on this one!) MWP-Rhyme George Harrison-All Things Must Pass The Clash-London Calling 999-Separates Buzzcocks-Singles Going Steady Led Zeppelin-3rd Album Geza X-You Goddamn Kids Echo & The Bunnymen-Ocean Rain And as far as favorite lyrics go, how 'bout: "Every morning now, I hear that same old song And though the singer is long dead, his voice goes on and on" -from "Disappear" (I could have it wrong-I don't have the lyric sheet nearby and you never know with Steve) Oh, and if anyone cares, I think the dumbest lyric ever written by anyone would be "Do You Feel Like We Do" by Peter Frampton which contains the classic: "Woke up this morning, with a wineglass in my hand Whose wine? What wine? Where the hell did I dine? Must 'ave been a dream, I can't believe where I've been Come on, let's do it again" No thanks. Thomas Irvin From ThomasIrv@aol.com Wed Feb 15 15:50 PST 1995 From: ThomasIrv@aol.com Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Subject: Re: Marty and his 12 string. 4MIJARES_J@spcvxa.spc.edu writes: <> The Mission's Wayne Hussey is indeed a 12-string man, as he was when he was in the Sisters of Mercy. In case anyone doesn't know the whole convoluted story, Wayne produced an early All About Eve 12", and All About Eve's vocalist Julianne appeared on the first two Mission albums. Then AAE's guitarist, Tim Brechino, (also a big 12-string man) split to join Hussey's old band, the Sisters of Mercy. Got it so far? So that's when Julianne asked MWP to join All About Eve. Brechino's departure is the (probable) basis for the first two songs off of "Touched By Jesus" (the 3rd AAE album and the first to feature MWP), "Strange Way" and "Farewell Mr. Sorrow." Marty has a new project coming out with AAE bassist Andy Cousin and AAE Drummer Mark Price called Never Swallow Stars. Marty mentioned this in an article in Boston Rock back around August or so, and when I talked to him in Los Angeles, he said it was still coming out, but he could give no details on when. He also said Julianne has a solo record coming out, on which he plays. If anyone wants more info on AAE, send me some mail or let it be known here and I'll post my discography. (I've been collecting them for years) Also, if there are any musicians in the Lincoln, Nebraska area, let me know. I play guitar and sing and am looking to put a band together. From ThomasIrv@aol.com Sun Feb 19 18:53 PST 1995 From: ThomasIrv@aol.com Subject: Re: "esoteric arts" James Dignan writes, <> For what it's worth, Steve Kilbey writes in the liner notes to Hindsight that the title of "The Golden Dawn" comes from a magical society (or is it magickal?) and that was Richard's idea for a title. The society in question, I believe, was founded by or included the infamous Alastair Crowly. Thomas Irvin From ThomasIrv@aol.com Mon Feb 20 16:10 PST 1995 From: ThomasIrv@aol.com Subject: Steve and Marty, Comedians I'm still working on finding my setlists and notes about the San Juan Capistrano shows, so I'll share some of the humourous items from the mouths of Steve and Marty at those shows before I forget them. At one point in the show, after a particularly loud shouting of requests by the audience, Steve announced that, "Peter and Richard will be here next week to play all of those that we don't play." Sunday night, Steve burst into a little a cappella Jon Anderson impersonation (the singer from Yes). Marty laughed and asked Steve something like, "Is that from his cocaine days?" and then followed up by saying, "and when he always wore white?" to which Steve said, "He should have worn black, then he could have seen where he spilled it." Sunday night's humourous highlight, however, was when someone was whistling in the back, and Marty said, "Is that the sound of a San Juan Capistrano Swallow?" to which Steve retorted, "The question is, DOES San Juan Capistrano swallow?" Marty displayed a slightly darker humor after the Sunday show, when signing an autograph for a record collector. The collector had brought in the MWP Art Attack album and the Ann Carlberger solo album. The Art Attack was on top. Marty was happily signing away, saying, "Glen, do you spell your name with one "n" or two?" and then when he lifted the Art Attack to reveal the front of the Ann Carlberger, he stopped for a moment, looked kind of surprised, and said, "You know that's my ex-wife." There was an uneasy silence for a second or two, so I offered, "Well, you played on the album, right?" to which Marty replied, "I WROTE most of the album." He signed it, then put Art Attack back on top. I'm reminded of a couple of other items from older shows: Omaha, on the Starfish tour, Steve introduced "Unsubstantiated" by saying, "This is a song we wrote today while ironing our shirts." Everyone, of course, had on wrinkled shirts. Minneapolis, G.A.F. tour: Some people had brought a big banner and would hold it up between songs. Peter stopped the show to read the banner to the whole auditorium, so that they could stop holding it up. It read something like, "Borrowed grapes from stores of gold, how about some songs of old" or "Oh, lord we need miracles, we need more wine and gold, how about some songs of old" or something like that. Anyway, Peter read the banner aloud and Steve said, "How about something from the 15th Century?" The funniest thing I've ever heard from Steve, however, was at that same Minneapolis show: Someone up front was yelling something about Peter Murphy, to which Steve said, "What do I think of Peter Murphy? I think it's a good thing Ryko has re-released all the old Bowie albums so we don't have to listen to Peter Murphy." (Much laughter) Then he said, "No, actually, I think he should get together with Eldritch. Yeah. Then they could be the Sisters of Murphy." I'd love to hear anyone else's remembrances of the band's wit. Thomas Irvin From ThomasIrv@aol.com Tue Feb 21 17:47 PST 1995 From: ThomasIrv@aol.com Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM (churchlist) Subject: Re: Grand Plan A: t-shirts (Technical) T-shirt idea sounds cool enough, but are we talking four colour printing on two sides? I work for a color separation house and I can say from experience it ain't cheap. However, I could probably donate the color seps. Most screen printers run a very coarse screen, like 50 line or so, so those of you familiar with halftone screening on the computer will know that you need only 100 dpi for the final resolution on the scans, which isn't too steep. (I'd like to see these scans that Michael Bromley has done on our calibrated monitors to ensure color fidelity). Anyway, the design sounds cool, provided the shirts are 100% cotton. And Black Shirts would be, in my estimation, best, although that would likely require a base coat of white which would cost more. Let me know if I can be of help. From ThomasIrv@aol.com Thu Feb 23 15:33 PST 1995 From: ThomasIrv@aol.com Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Subject: Re: T-shirt colours <> To quote Mr. Kilbey, "Well, yes and no." To do the cover of P=A (which sounds very cool to me) it would be a pretty simple matter of taking the image and reversing it so that the silver areas were solid for the screen printer. One pass with silver ink on a black shirt and there you go. However, make it a white shirt and you've got to either reverse the image and print black, having the white shirt show through to represent silver (a less than ideal facsimile, IMHO) or lay down an initial run of solid black, and follow that with the silver. Not a bad idea, that, and you could of course have your shirt in any colour you liked. As for quotes, would it be terrible to quote MWP's "The View"? Take this daring leap, Wake you've been asleep Go, attack your life The paint is peeling, scrape to save what's yours Or, perhaps more appropriate to our ever-expanding group of Church fans who, for the most part, have never met: And, as the city grows Electric people, nobody knows Or, to completely confuse people: Girl and a sailor and the hotdog trailer That's the Holy Grail Or, just an all-time favorite: It's never as good as I hoped Or as bad as I've feared. Thomas P.S. Some people at the San Juan Capistano shows had a cool banner that said "the church=aura" in that handwritten typestyle. Maybe we could use that? From ThomasIrv@aol.com Fri Feb 24 14:53 PST 1995 From: ThomasIrv@aol.com Subject: Re: T-Shirts thoughts The four heads in a square motif runs through so much of the Church's stuff (front of Sing Songs, back of Seance and Remote Luxury, front of Heyday and Starfish, that I think it would be appropriate. Only problem is I know so many people who think P=A is either their best ever or right up there with maybe one or two others that I wonder are we shorting Jay Dee? Should we care? On the lyrical side, I LOVE "software sings and hardware hears." Also "back from software limbo the natives call today" might be appropriate. From ThomasIrv@aol.com Thu Mar 2 15:23 PST 1995 From: ThomasIrv@aol.com Subject: Guitar Tab I'd just like to say thanks to all those who have been figuring out the tablature. I'll make a small request- how about Life Speeds Up? Thomas P.S. If that's a small request then Newt Ginrich would like to take a small chunk out of the National Endowment for the Arts! From ThomasIrv@aol.com Fri Mar 3 16:16 PST 1995 From: ThomasIrv@aol.com Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Subject: Re: picture On Fri, Mar 3, 1995, Paul Maurice Webb wrote: <> Actually, two similar photos were used, but the poses and clothes are different. Also Marty's hair looks a little different. As far as photos go, it seems to me the thing to do would be to try to track down the photographers who have the original shots and see if we could get the rights to reproduce one. This isn't really easy, but we could start by checking the albums for photo credits and then calling the art dept. at Warners or Arista and see if we can get any info on phone numbers for these people. I mean, it can't take more than a half an hour of phone calls to know if we were getting anywhere. But I'd prefer shots that had never before been used, so you folks with private collections, let's here from you. Thomas From ThomasIrv@aol.com Sat Mar 4 01:03 PST 1995 From: ThomasIrv@aol.com Subject: MWP live in So. California! The Church folder on America Online here had this post that I thought everyone should see: <> Wow! Tell everybody in Southern California! Thomas From TAOBERLY@delphi.com Tue Nov 29 13:11 PST 1994 From: Todd Oberly Subject: 3" CD's for sale X-Vms-To: IN%"seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT { I just found a stash of the 3" CD single "Destination And More", containing "Destination", the acoustic version of "Under The Milky Way" from the "Sum Of The Parts" LP/CD, and "Tantalized". They are brank-new and shrinkwrapped on the L-card, although there is a small punch hole through the UPC code on the back (and through Marty's face on the front). If you're in the continental US (and probably Canada), five dollars will get one sent to your door. Email me if you're interested. If you're from overseas, let me know and I'll check the postage rates... -Todd taoberly@delphi.com From TAOBERLY@delphi.com Thu Dec 1 23:40 PST 1994 From: Todd Oberly Subject: 3" CD update! X-Vms-To: IN%"seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT All the copies I had of "Destination And More" are spoken for. With the exception of two people in Canada (who I promise to email tomorrow after- noon! ;^) I believe I've responded to all the email. Thanks to everybody who wrote! Cheers, Todd From TAOBERLY@delphi.com Sat Dec 17 12:20 PST 1994 From: Todd Oberly Subject: Church rareties X-Vms-To: IN%"seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT > LET'S SEE, HOW ABOUT WHAT IS YOUR BIGGEST/FAVORITE CHURCH OR BAND MEMBER > COLLECTABLE ITEM? MINE WOULD HAVE TO BE MY TEST PRESSING OF MARTY'S ALBUM > ART ATTACK, OR THE FRENCH 45 OF ALMOST WITH YOU, I LOVE THE COVER AND THE > PAPER IT'S MADE FROM. I'm partial to my CD copy of "Sum Of The Parts", my Marty 12" single for "On The Tip Of My Tongue", and my copy of "Narcosis". :-) About the latter, I found it on the *second day* of a record show in Valley Forge, PA over Thanksgiving weekend. I always figured stuff like this dis- appeared in the first hour of the first day of these shows, so my jaw really dropped when I saw it there! (And it gets my vote for favorite Kilbey solo work...all of the songs are winners, and so moody and...erotic.) Were any other Seance subscribers there? -Todd From TAOBERLY@delphi.com Thu Jan 12 19:36 PST 1995 From: Todd Oberly Subject: off-topic question :) X-Vms-To: IN%"seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sorry for the off-topic question, but would any of the Australian or New Zealand people here tell me if Shriekback's album "Jam Science" was released on CD down your way? I'm trying to find a copy for a friend. Thanks, Todd taoberly@delphi.com From TAOBERLY@delphi.com Thu Feb 2 00:15 PST 1995 From: Todd Oberly Subject: internet research project X-Vms-To: IN%"seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi Nicole, I'm willing to help you with your research. Since there's more than 100 people on the Church list, I hope you get a good turnout! > Hi..I'm doing research about info sources on the Internet and need > victims, er, participants. I need as many people as possible, so if anyone > would be willing to read a small news article then answer some questions I > would greatly appreciate it. If you want to do this, please email ME > (careful! not the whole list! I dont' want everyone mad at me) and tell me > 1. if you read Usenet groups Yes, occasionally. > 2. if you belong to any internet BBSes (especially DOC or Citadel ones), I'm not familiar with these, so I guess that's a "no". ;-) Cheers, Todd From TAOBERLY@delphi.com Thu Feb 2 22:38 PST 1995 From: Todd Oberly Subject: acoustic shows X-Vms-To: IN%"seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT How many California shows have there been so far...at least two, right? And there have only been about two posts from people who were there. There have to be some more stories about the shows and the band...let's hear 'em! (Or did Marty invite all of you out drinking after the show and you're all still recovering? ;-) -Todd P.S. I apologize for the 'interent research' post. I sent that at 3:00 in the morning, when even the most explicit instructions get lost on me ...I must have clipped my TO: address from the TO: field instead of from the FROM: field... From TAOBERLY@delphi.com Wed Mar 1 23:02 PST 1995 From: Todd Oberly Subject: Tshirt ... X-Vms-To: IN%"seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT >> > On the lyrical side, I LOVE "software sings and hardware hears." > >> What song is that from btw? > > KINGS!!! You're expelled from the group! No t-shirt for you, blasphemer! > > Brian Err, problem there...he sort of _is_ the group. How about we put the "Maybe These Boys" lyrics all over his shirt? Eve? ;-) Todd From toma@sco.COM Wed Jan 4 09:31 PST 1995 From: Tom Avila Subject: re: just wondering Cc: toma@sco.COM > From Beebster@aol.com Fri Dec 16 20:41:11 1994 > Jan. 30 Great American Music Hall (Cap. 475) San Francisco, CA (415) > 885-0750 > > Feb. 1 The Edge (Cap. 500) Palo Alto, CA > (415)324-8445 >>Really?????? Oh WOW!!!!! This is the best xmas present so far this year! >>Two concerts within walking distance.... :-) >>Paul, Tom, Laura - y'all going???? >>-m I've got my tickets for the show at the Edge. Anyone else going to that one? Actually, the Church did play "within walking distance" of my place during the Heyday tour. I was living in Long Beach and they played at the "Grand Ballroom" which looked like a punk place to me. It was only 2 blocks away. I was really surprised a band like the Church was playing there. In one of my greatest errors of judgement, I passed on it since all I had heard at the time was "Tantalized" on the radio. :( (It wasn't til a few weeks later that I bought Heyday) This will be the first time I have seem them. Wish I could have seen them with the guitars plugged in, but at least I will get a chance to see them live. Tom From toma@sco.COM Thu Feb 2 22:37 PST 1995 2 Feb 95 22:34 PST From: Tom Avila Subject: palo alto show Cc: toma@sco.COM Yes indeed this was an awesome show. This was the first time I had seen the Church live and since it was going to be accoustic I didn't know what to expect. (I also haven't heard any of the radio shows from last year). But as someone already said... WOW! It was great to see them in such a small venue. I guess I could have tried to get closer, but there was only 4 rows of folks ahead of me. So I had a great view. The set list was basically the same as the Sacramento show with one noticable exception. I really wanted to hear The View, but they didn't play it. They did however play, Is this where you live? which was very cool. They also played something with the words, "Life's a gas" or something like that? Hey Morten or Paul, did you catch what they said before that tune. I think they said who it was written by, but I couldn't make it out. btw, I didn't realize you guys were going to go backstage after the show. If I had known that, I would have gone along too. Oh well, I guess there's always next time. Later, Tom From toma@sco.COM Sun Feb 12 13:27 PST 1995 12 Feb 95 13:25 PST From: Tom Avila Subject: Desert Island Discs OK, my turn.... Church: Starfish, P=A, SA/SE Kate Bush: Sensual World Crowded House: Together Alone U2: Unforgetable Fire Seal: 1st album Roxy Music: Avalon Chris Whitely: Living with the Law Not Drowning Waving: Circus Tom From tmcconne@sfu.ca Sat Feb 25 00:06 PST 1995 From: Travis McConnell Subject: A Big Hello Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello to everyone out there! I have just joined this group, and have been led to believe that an introduction is appropriate, so here goes: I am a twenty year old Communications major attending Simon Fraser University, in Vancouver, Canada. I first heard The Church a little over six years ago, and have been a rabid fan since. I have managed to accumulate almost thirty Church-related cd's, and have seen the band live once (San Diego State University - 1990). My favorite album? Today I would say Seance, but this always changes. My favorite song? Jeez...I don't know. "A Month Of Sundays"? "Happy Hunting Ground"? "Laughing"? I really have no idea. So, what else to say... I play guitar and bass, love film (used to study it), and am an avid procrastinator. I can't think of anything else that is particularly interesting. But before I quit, I am still missing one Church album (that I know of): Sing Songs. Does anyone know how I can get it (or a copy)? Any live stuff? Anything else? Feel free to e-mail me - I look forward to hearing from other fans. Adios, Travis McConnell tmcconne@sfu.ca From tskarzyn@world.std.com Thu Jan 26 06:44 PST 1995 From: Tricia M Skarzynski Subject: Worst After reading everyone's responses to the worst church song (blasphemy!) poll, I've been pleasantly surprised to find that I stand pretty much in the same place as most of you all (I don't feel so guilty now--thank you, thank you!). My top 3 worst are: 1) The Disillusionist 2)Maybe These Boys 3)Still Beautiful --All for reasons already mentioned. They are just trite, soporific, mis-directed, and not up to the boys' standards at all. Surely other material should have surfaced on their respective albums (ie Drought, on GAF, instead of Still Beautiful--providing it was written by then?). But, with the plethora of incredibly gorgeous music the band has released over the years, together and singly, it's easy to forgive them for a few off-days. From tskarzyn@world.std.com Thu Jan 26 13:34 PST 1995 From: Tricia M Skarzynski Subject: Re: Radio Show Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM On Thu, 26 Jan 1995 BROWNKB@ml.wpafb.af.mil wrote: > I just got a copy of a live radio show that the Church did in (I believe > June 94) in California. The following is the Track Listing. The Show is > at a Radio Station with just Marty and Steve. Not very much dialog, > because when the station manager ask them if they would like to say > anything. Steve repley we'll let the music do the talking. > Does anyone know what the first song is: > > TRACK LISTING > > > 1 - (I don't know, it's not on any of there albums that I know of) > > > > 2. Hotel Womb > > 3. Shadow Cabinet > > 4. Providence > > 5. Will I Start to Bleed > > 6. My Little Problem > > 7. 10,000 Miles Away > > 8. Tristesse > > 9. Under the Milky Way > > > Sounds like their performance at The Plant in Sausalito, which I have on tape thanks to one *very* kind list member (you know who you are!). The title of this first track is listed as "Ritz" (as in the hotel). Not to answer a question with a question, but anybody know if this is a cover song or an SK/MWP original, and if this was ever recorded in a studio/by whom? If this question has already been answered in a previous thread, pls forgive my brain-death. From tskarzyn@world.std.com Fri Feb 3 09:16 PST 1995 From: Tricia M Skarzynski Subject: unsubscribe Please unsubscribe me from the list, as I can no longer afford my internet account. It's been really great being in touch with so many people with superior musical taste--I will miss you all (sniff)... Tricia tskarzyn@world.std.com From tskarzyn@lynx.dac.neu.edu Mon Nov 28 07:55 PST 1994 From: Tricia Skarzynski Subject: SUBSCRIBE Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Morten: Hi -- I'm a major Church fan who just found out about your mailing list through the newsgroup alt.music.alternative (two other *kind* fans wrote me and suggested I join). My (temporary) e-mail address is tskarzyn@lynx.dac.neu.edu (NOrtheastern University). I say temporary because I plan to get an e-mail account through world in the next couple months, so for now, I can be reached there. Do you need any other info? Look forward to hearing from the mailing list soon! Thanks, Tricia From tskarzyn@lynx.dac.neu.edu Tue Nov 29 08:57 PST 1994 From: Tricia Skarzynski Subject: New Member Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi-- My name is Tricia and I'm a new member to the newsletter. Strangely, I feel a little outnumbered, as the only mail I've received through the newsletter is from guys--am I the only female subscriber? Not that that bothers me; just curious... Anyway, here's a little about myself. I'm 23, have been a Church fan for 8 years, live in Boston, MA--a "college" town, luckily, so it's fairly easy to get imports and rare CD's and stuff. I'm a fan of all Church members, past and present, but my favorite (of course) is Steve. If there are such things as musical deities, then *IMO*, he's definitely one--such gorgeous melody lines, such evocative, imagist lyrics... AS far as other favorites, here goes: favorite album: The Church--tie between Blurred Crusade and Heyday SK--The Slow Crack MWP--Art Attack favorite song: "Almost With You" (if I had to pick one -- there are so many. IT would be easier, albeit time-consuming, to pick my favorite song on every album, EP, etc.) favorite album cover: The Church--Heyday SK--Unearthed FAvorite paisley shirt: I once had one that was aqua and gold, and I have a black and green paisley SKIRT, but I mainly have bought them for my boyfriends... How I got into them: I had read about them in a mid 80's music mag called "STAR Hits" (does anyone remember this?) when I was 16. Soon after I was shopping at the local Strawberries (in CT, where I grew up), when I stumbled upon Remote Luxory in the bargain bin. I bought it without ever hearing the band, and on the first song, I was hooked. I spent my part-time job money every week after that until I had bought every thing by them that was possible to buy in northern CT (only the major albums). After I moved to Boston, it was a lot easier to find the solo projects and rarer stuff. So that's my story. Gotta get back to work (groan), but very glad to find others like me who are as captivated by SK & Co. as I am. Tricia From tskarzyn@lynx.dac.neu.edu Mon Dec 5 08:27 PST 1994 From: Tricia Skarzynski Subject: Casting the vote (late?) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If I'm not too late, here are my votes for favorite album & 3 songs by the band: album: Blurred Crusade (tied with Heyday). Contains my all-time favorite song, "Almost With You", and not one clinker, IMO. Absolutely beautiful, the definitive album, I think. The best thing to listen to when you're *really* stressed. Contains one of the best church lines ever (Beside the wall the flowers grow/And down their sticky stems I go). 3 songs: "Almost With You." That Spanish guitar solo is haunting and poignant. Love the multiple possible meanings of the title--works on several levels (like any great poem does). "No Explanation". THE song that converted me to The Church--the first time I heard it, I was hooked. "Myrhh" (tied with "Already Yesterday"). The best travel song! More great imagery, and what a build-up (intro)! As for "Already Yesterday", more of that melancholic sentiment that the boys do so well. Thanks! BTW, when do we get to vote for favorite solo stuff? Tricia From tskarzyn@lynx.dac.neu.edu Wed Dec 7 17:06 PST 1994 From: Tricia Skarzynski Subject: solo favorites vote Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is only *slightly* easier than the favorite group-pick voting...well, here goes: favorite SK album: The Slow Crack 3 songs: Pack of Lies--cool with-lyrics updated version of the gorgeous instrumental "Dawn Poems" from Earthed LP. after-breakup song, and doesn't sound a bit self-pitying Transaction--just love the energy in this song; great guitar riff in intro Favorite MWP album: Art Attack (gorgeous acousti-cism!) 3 songs: Water--(being a Cancer [water-sign], I can relate to this one; very wistful I Can't Cry--great intro to the "Spirit Level" LP To Where I am Now--just plain deep, man Favorite PK album: From the Well (sounds clearer and better-produced than Manchild & MYth) 3 songs: The Lost Peace--who is that girl he does the duet with? Great voice, very strong. Of the most melodic of PK's stuff; moves right along. Comes as No Surprise--I just love the lyrics Sahara--exotic musical fare along the lines of Pharoah, et al; too short, though, I think. Oddly, my real favorite "Peter" songs are the ones that appear on Church albums: Transient, New Season, and As You Will. If only he'd stayed... Tricia From tskarzyn@lynx.dac.neu.edu Thu Dec 22 08:26 PST 1994 From: Tricia Skarzynski Subject: Re: favorite (again) Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh yes, and > I almost obtained a copy of SingSongs via a friend in Boston, but the chick > in front of her grabbed it. My friend offered her all kinds of stuff, but > the chick wouldn't give in. Was that, perchance, one of you? > > --Nicki > I wish...By the way, curious about the when and where of this incident, as in 6 years, I have never seen this much-sought-after piece of vinyl in a Boston record store (believe me, I've scoured them all). Tricia in Boston From UNTS98A@prodigy.com Tue Dec 20 22:21 PST 1994 From: UNTS98A@prodigy.com (MR DANIEL V GRSKOVIC) Subject: finding almost yesterday -- [ From: Daniel Grskovic * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] -- havent been able to locate this one. when did it come out? matthew green's letter sparked my interest in locating this one which i never new existed being a newer disciple of the church. i have every release after 'crusade' i think... this includes 'hindsight' which is the only compilation i thought existed off emi. what label is almost yesterday on? my top 10 list of church songs (ever changing) doesnt include seance, blurred crusade, and of skins and heart. i bought sometime anywhere w/ the 7 extra bonus tracks a few months ago and i've been working my way back ever since. i'm back to remote luxury right now so the list so far is as follows (in no particular order): 1the golden dawn 6month of sundays 2unguarded moment 7shadow cabinet 3almost with you 8angelica 4tear it all away 9pharoah 5autumn soon (sitar kicks...) 10antenna honorable mention: freeze to burn not sure if one particular album is my fav... send aide asap...daniel From NJANDREW@GENVAX.GLAMORGAN.AC.UK Mon Jan 23 06:39 PST 1995 Via: uk.ac.glamorgan.genvax; Mon, 23 Jan 1995 12:58:52 +0000 From: VESTAN PANCE Subject: Here comes another one..... I feel a bit sorry of Aaron, I havent seen a new member get such a sandblasting....all in good humour eh ? He certainly opened a can of worms. Maybe we should really prise the top off and have a short vote for WORST Church song ???? I think it would be interestingand then others could have the pleasure(?) of being lambasted too. We should definately include a section on the next voting session. Here goes: I hate Witch Hunt (P=A) and A Different Man. Id defend GAF too, Im surprised that noone has mentioned 'Essence' off there yet....Its an absolute gem. Fire away. Neil. From ValPasal@aol.com Thu Feb 23 20:54 PST 1995 From: ValPasal@aol.com Subject: Re: Please add to the list! Please add me to the list! Thank you, Valerie Pasalis ValPasal@aol.com From ValPasal@aol.com Fri Feb 24 21:00 PST 1995 From: ValPasal@aol.com Subject: Re: Just a Quick Note... Hey All! I just would like to say hello and that I am very glad to have finally signed on to this list! : D The Church has been my favorite band for a long time! I have only been able to see them twice, and would appreciate it if anyone has any information on there being any dates on in the Midwest or the East coast! My favorite album is HEYDAY, and my favorite songs are "Myrrh," "Shadow Cabinet," "It's No Reason," and "Bel-Air." I am also wondering if anyone has a copy of The Church on MTV's "Unplugged." Please e-mail me if you do! Thanks! Valerie From Vernon_Harmon@PROBACTO.SOAR.CS.CMU.EDU Tue Nov 29 10:25 PST 1994 29 Nov 94 13:21:55 EST From: Vernon_Harmon@PROBACTO.SOAR.CS.CMU.EDU Subject: Re: to all like minded people >There I was touring the web when I came accross this place and my first thought Is there another Church page I don't know about, or is this my Church page you're talking about? I haven't touched it in a while.... http://www.cs.cmu.edu:8001/afs/cs/user/vernon/www/church.html --Vernon. From Vernon_Harmon@PROBACTO.SOAR.CS.CMU.EDU Wed Dec 7 08:55 PST 1994 7 Dec 94 11:49:43 EST From: Vernon_Harmon@PROBACTO.SOAR.CS.CMU.EDU Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Subject: Re: hindsight <9412070026.AB18587@Sun.COM> You've probably already been answered but I thought I'd throw in my own comments. I was in the same situation as you. I had all the US releases and Hindsight was sitting on the shelf at my local importers. I tried hard to convince myself it wasn't worth the money, but I eventually gave in. I AM VERY GLAD I BOUGHT IT. What's not on US CD releases: 1) In A Heartbeat 2) Fraulein 3) You've Got To Go 4) The Golden Dawn 5) Life Speeds Up 6) The Night Is Very Soft 7) Autumn Soon 8) Someone Special 9) As You Will 10) The View 11) Trance Ending Tracks 2,3,5 and 6 above are EXCELLENT Church songs that you MUST have in your collection. They are among my favorite Church tunes. 7 and 8 are a bit weak and 9 and 10 are typical Peter and Marty fare. At any rate, that's almost a dozen songs that you (apparently) don't have. While I'm posting to the list, I guess I'll add my votes to the poll. Favorite Album: Of Skins and Heart contains worst Church song: "Don't Open The Door..." The Blurred Crusade a great album Seance another great album Remote Luxury would get my vote but RL (the track) just seems out of place at the end of the disc Heyday awesome album -- not one bad track Starfish I've never really been taken with this one there are great songs here but something about the album just doesn't click with me Gold Afternoon Fix yet another great album lots of changes of pace throughout the disc Priest = Aura fantastic album with many great songs Sometime Anywhere really good tracks but lacks cohesion as an album Somewhere Else a great EP! has an instrumental, a "typical" Church song, a Marty song and 4 "atypical" Church songs which gets my vote for favorite? Hmm. *really* tough. If I can vote for Hindsight, it gets my vote. If not, probably GAF edging out Heyday by virtue of sentimentality (GAF was my first Church purchase). Top 3 Tracks: Egads! Here's my favorites, in no particular order. Is This Where You Live She Never Said Sisters When You Were Mine Don't Look Back Constant In Opal Maybe These Boys A Month of Sundays Shadow Cabinet Myrrh Columbus Roman Reptile Pharoah Terra Nova Cain You're Still Beautiful Aura Kings Old Flame Day of the Dead Fly Home Dead Man's Dream Cut In Two Fraulein You've Got To Go Life Speeds Up The Night Is Very Soft Desert I have to pick 3? Eesh. Ok. Here goes. Cut In Two Sisters Life Speeds Up ...but don't hold me to it. :) Oh, and my favorite Marty non-Church song is currently Cascade, but that can change. --Vernon. From Vernon_Harmon@PROBACTO.SOAR.CS.CMU.EDU Wed Dec 7 19:38 PST 1994 7 Dec 94 22:36:38 EST From: Vernon_Harmon@PROBACTO.SOAR.CS.CMU.EDU Subject: Re: discog update <9412080223.AA13422@ESD.Kodak.COM> >1994 Almost Yesterday (1981-1990) > > 4:17 Unguarded Moment > 3:52 For A Moment We're Strangers > 4:16 Tear It All Away > 6:59 Life Speeds Up > 4:11 Almost With You > 5:43 When You Were Mine > 2:10 I Am A Rock > 4:36 Electric Lash > 3:40 Into My Hands > 3:26 Constant In Opal > 4:16 Shadow Cabinet > 5:00 Tantalized > 4:19 Myrrh > 4:58 Under The Milky Way > 4:55 Reptile > 4:44 Metropolis > 5:39 Texas Moon Hmm. Both "I Am A Rock" and "Texas Moon"? How much would an imported copy run me? --Vernon. From Vernon_Harmon@PROBACTO.SOAR.CS.CMU.EDU Mon Dec 12 10:11 PST 1994 12 Dec 94 13:08:40 EST From: Vernon_Harmon@PROBACTO.SOAR.CS.CMU.EDU Subject: Re: CD's spotted <9412091856.AA23053@buclaa.bu.edu> >_Conception_ just has 10 tracks off of the first 5 albums. For completists No, it also has "A Different Man", which is not on any album. On a similar note, I perused the bins at a new used record store that just openend up here and found a *ton* of Church 7"s, including tUM/Busdriver, TFFY, Columbus, Almost Yesterday, and about a dozen others. They also had Kilbey vinyl stuff: Earthed, Unearthed (clear(/colored?) vinyl) and The Slow Crack. If anyone is really interested in any of this I can work out some deal to get it to you. --Vernon. From Vernon_Harmon@PROBACTO.SOAR.CS.CMU.EDU Wed Jan 11 10:11 PST 1995 11 Jan 95 13:09:17 EST From: Vernon_Harmon@PROBACTO.SOAR.CS.CMU.EDU Cc: Church mailing-list Subject: Re: Traveling Tunes >Didn't SK say in some interview that all (or most) of the albums have some >theme that the songs tend to fit? For Starfish it was travel, I remember >that one. What were some of the other ones? I'm usually not so good at >getting meaning out of whole songs or albums, I usually find things >relevant to my life in simple phrases or lines and leave it at that. And >not that any interpretations would be WRONG, of course. ;) I thought the common theme among *all* the albums was "drugs"? :) :) :) :) --Vernon. From Vernon_Harmon@PROBACTO.SOAR.CS.CMU.EDU Fri Jan 20 13:04 PST 1995 20 Jan 95 16:02:20 EST From: Vernon_Harmon@PROBACTO.SOAR.CS.CMU.EDU Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Subject: Re: TBT redux <9501201924.AA13717@snow.seer.com> I agree with most that TBT is a great song. It was the only song I liked on first listen after I bought Seance (maybe it's the lyrics guy in me!). BTW: anybody else see early traces of Lost My Touch and Freeze To Burn in TBT? Regarding GAF, I think it gets an undue amount of crap from the folks on this list. GAF was my first Church purchase and it was what hooked me. Since then I've bought every CD release I could get my hands on and the only song I really don't like out of all of them is "Don't Open the Door To Strangers". I really don't care for that one at all. Anyway, GAF contains some of my favorite Church songs: Pharoah, Terra Nova Cain, City, You're Still Beautiful, Grind. Metropolis is probably my least favorite on GAF. --Vernon. "She lived in the future, she lived in the past She gave it all to me, she gave it all to me" From Vernon_Harmon@PROBACTO.SOAR.CS.CMU.EDU Tue Jan 24 10:19 PST 1995 24 Jan 95 13:17:30 EST From: Vernon_Harmon@PROBACTO.SOAR.CS.CMU.EDU Cc: matthew green , seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Subject: Re: Business Woman and Record Show >>now the under the milky way single.. musk is definately worth it. > >Noted. Can you descibe it. Is it a full fledged song or more like >"Afterlife?" Is there a reason it didn't end up on QSAS? It's got a very middle-eastern feel to it. When I first heard it all I could think of was camels crossing a desert. I think I'm thinking of the right song -- I've only heard it once and I was rushing through my first radio show at the time. :) --Vernon. From Vernon_Harmon@PROBACTO.SOAR.CS.CMU.EDU Wed Jan 25 08:42 PST 1995 25 Jan 95 11:41:06 EST From: Vernon_Harmon@PROBACTO.SOAR.CS.CMU.EDU Subject: Re: Parodies <48E8D516BB3@acs.unt.edu> Here's one. Hope you folks enjoy it. :) --Vernon. When We Were High ----------------- On a day like this, a hundred lifetimes ago You and me, smoking a joint I looked through my hands and you saw a pig fly When we were high When we were high When we were high When we were high On a world like this, a hundred puffs left to blow Deep in a trance, you're turning green This verse is so cool but I can't make it rhyme When we were high When we were high When we were high When we were high Plenty of queludes between now and then Barbiturates, LSD, heroin And we drink, and we snort See the pink elephants Our songs were all written When we were high In a song like this, I take words that I know And put them together while hallucinating Then I mumble a lot just to fuck with your mind When we were high When we were high When we were high When we were high Plenty of queludes between now and then Barbiturates, LSD, heroin And we drink, and we snort See the pink elephants Our songs were all written When we were high When we were high When we were high When we were When we were high From Vernon_Harmon@PROBACTO.SOAR.CS.CMU.EDU Wed Jan 25 10:26 PST 1995 25 Jan 95 13:25:45 EST From: Vernon_Harmon@PROBACTO.SOAR.CS.CMU.EDU Subject: trivia 1) For each studio album, name the song that the album title comes from and which line, if possible. If the album title didn't come from a song, where did it come from? (assume the first album title to be "Of Skins and Heart" not "The Church") 2) What are Steve and Marty's birthdays? 3) How many children does Steve have? How about Marty? 4) Name Steve, Marty and Peter's wives. 5) Name 3 non-church (past or present) musicians that Steve has worked with. 6) Name 3 non-church (past or present) musicians that Marty was worked with. 7) How many studio album Church tracks has Marty sang lead on? Name them. (do not include "bonus" tracks or b-sides) 8) How many studio album Church tracks has Peter sang lead on? Name them. (same stipulations as 7) 9) Name the producer of each Church studio album. 10) How many Church studio album tracks have one-word titles? Name them. (same stipulation as 7-8; hyphenated words count as one word) I don't know all the answers to these, and certainly couldn't do many of them off the top of my head. 1 point for each correct answer. --Vernon. From Vernon_Harmon@PROBACTO.SOAR.CS.CMU.EDU Thu Feb 9 19:49 PST 1995 9 Feb 95 22:48:11 EST From: Vernon_Harmon@PROBACTO.SOAR.CS.CMU.EDU Cc: Church mailing-list Subject: Re: WWW http://www.cs.cmu.edu:8001/afs/cs/user/vernon/www/church.html --Vernon. From Vernon_Harmon@PROBACTO.SOAR.CS.CMU.EDU Mon Feb 13 09:17 PST 1995 13 Feb 95 12:15:17 EST From: Vernon_Harmon@PROBACTO.SOAR.CS.CMU.EDU Subject: DIDs As others have stated, this list is restricted to what I have heard and possess... Church Hindsight Talking Heads Sand in the Vaseline Rush Moving Pictures + Chronicles Devo Now It Can Be Told -- Live at the Palace TMBG Flood Cure Disintegration Oingo Boingo Alive Pink Floyd The Wall Prince Sign O the Times + Purple Rain Howard Jones Dream Into Action Peter Gabriel Shaking the Tree Billy Joel The Nylon Curtain Queen Greatest Hits U2 The Joshua Tree Police Message in a Bottle Depeche Mode 101 probably, also: Say Anything sndtk Young Einstein sndtk Crow sndtk --Vernon. From Vernon_Harmon@PROBACTO.SOAR.CS.CMU.EDU Mon Feb 27 10:17 PST 1995 27 Feb 95 13:14:53 EST From: Vernon_Harmon@PROBACTO.SOAR.CS.CMU.EDU Subject: LYRICS VOTES: options Here are some options I came up with that sort of fit the list, IMO. DESTINATION 1) It's not a religion, it's just a technique NORTH SOUTH EAST WEST 2) The guys with the brains are all bitter and vain The guys with the luck got the bimbos and bucks ANTENNA 3) There's a thousand tongues wagging in your ears tonight A NEW SEASON 4) Sensory gifts to all who come RIPPLE 5) it may not be Eden or summer in Greece KINGS 6) in deserts where the dust storm blows in lush black swamps where mandrake grows we're marching laughing to the drum waiting for those kings to come CHAOS 7) beyond that void there's a place TERRA NOVA CAIN 8) Deep space jam on an alien terrain CITY 9) The fountains gush wine, the chimneys spurt flowers Where me and my friends pass the fleeting hours GRIND 10) And once it's started up, it cannot be stopped At least it's holding us together A DIFFERENT MAN 11) You can be halfway, you can be all there THE UNGUARDED MOMENT 12) So deep, deep without a meaning SISTERS 13) Breathing all the wasted hours Talking to the dying flowers Dwarfed by spires and tangled towers We don't ask the reason why 14) We're together in the future You and I and her together All our fates are intermingled We are plural, we are single IS THIS WHERE YOU LIVE 15) The fans blow secrets on the night Out of mind but not out of sight SHADOW CABINET 16) It's heavenly I say TANTALIZED 17) I embraced a machine, I went through the routine 18) Guess the nature of our enterprise SHE NEVER SAID 19) Here's a number you can try to ring FP...KW 20) A thousand powdered parts past the sun and moon The hint of timelessness splashed on this afternoon DON'T OPEN THE DOOR... 21) Don't leave your thoughts unguarded SECRET CORNERS 22) Such a sad place, such a lost world A FIRE BURNS 23) And people so familiar Their words are in my mind DON'T LOOK BACK 24) Funny how they shape your thoughts 10,000 MILES 25) Telling stories everyone's heard My box of ghosts bids me goodnight Clockwork spirits have the last word Ten thousand miles away TRAVEL BY THOUGHT 26) The echo of another time, an age of beauty DISENCHANTED 27) You gotta be some creature to get a room in here LOST MY TOUCH 28) reproduced mechanically and electronically a symphony of frequencies delivering a slithering sound a pound of flesh caught in the mesh of pressure AUTHORITY 29) days full of music, nights full of music music all the time LEAVE YOUR CLOTHES ON 30) you can leave your body, know the technique leave for two minutes or for two weeks you leave your work and your pleasure undone and you can leave your clothes on MACABRE TAVERN 31) the future ingests us as the past spits us out IT DOESN'T CHANGE 32) Close to you, hear all you say Even though you're continents away I think that's a pretty good summary of what I think are good possibilites for the quote(s). I don't know if I included the ones everyone has mentioned or not, though. If not, no offense is meant. Personally, I think: 1 - just about perfect, probably my first choice 2 - might be cute if we had photos of Marty and Steve with "babes" 3 - average 4 - interesting approach, but not my favorite 5 - don't much care for it 6 - This might be cool in an interesting font for the front of the shirt 7 - another interesting approach, but again not my favorite 8 - one of my favorite lines, might be usable 9 - I rather like this one for a single quote, if we go that route 10 - again, an interesting approach I don't much fancy 11 - nah 12 - uhmmm nah, although it's fitting. :) 13 --- I prefer 14 but both of these quotes work 14 -/ 15 - kind of fitting, but it's not my favorite 16 - kinda short 17 - I like it but I don't know if it works 18 - again, interesting but I don't know if we'll go that route 19 - perfect for the line right before the seance request address, IMO 20 - nice quote, but I don't think it's right 21 - rather nice final quote if we want to keep it simple 22 - not really very fitting, I don't think 23 - fitting, but I don't think it works 24 - maybe combined with 21? 25 - very nice and fitting, "everyone's heard" is reposts, "box of ghosts" is the computer, "clockwork spirits" get the last word because of time zone differences and 10,000 miles away, well... :) 26 - nice quote but it doesn't really work 27 - might work with some interesting art on the front 28 - I like, up to "sound" that is. 29 - I like this, too 30 - rather fitting, I think. 31 - I LOVE this line which is whispered in the background of MT, but does it really work for this shirt? 32 - as pointed out, it fits but I don't really care much for it. :( My proposal would be: #6 in a cool font on the front #19 above the request address on the back below the address: "It's not a religion, it's just a technique." A DEEP SPACE JAM ON AN ALIEN TERRAIN OR: #9 with a psychedelic photo/drawing on the front same back That's just my $2. :) --Vernon. From Vernon_Harmon@PROBACTO.SOAR.CS.CMU.EDU Mon Feb 27 17:14 PST 1995 27 Feb 95 16:09:46 EST From: Vernon_Harmon@PROBACTO.SOAR.CS.CMU.EDU Subject: Lyrics OK, there was apparently a problem with the WWW lyrics page I had set up. I have moved the page to a more reliable place. Everyone should be able to access the page now without any problems. --Vernon. From Vernon_Harmon@PROBACTO.SOAR.CS.CMU.EDU Tue Feb 28 12:31 PST 1995 28 Feb 95 15:29:06 EST From: Vernon_Harmon@PROBACTO.SOAR.CS.CMU.EDU Subject: Re: shirt and lyric <9502281804.AA08069@Sun.COM> > But PLEASE, nothing from Terra Nova Cain!! I don't think the word "alien" > fits the group and really represents the images that the Chruch creates > through their music... I considered that quote because of the following: A deep space jam on an alien terrain implies something that's a lot of fun but quite removed from normal society and occurring in a place that is not familiar to most people. I think that describes the internet pretty well, and that "fun" part definitely describes Seance. You say that "alien" doesn't really fit the group and you're right. But the quote refers to Seance as a "deep space jam" which happens to be "ON an alien terrain" known as the internet. It doesn't say anything about Seance being alien itself. Personally, I think it fits quite well, but then again, I really like TNC as a song and I guess you don't and can't get past that. I can't stand "Don't Open the Door to Strangers" but I didn't let that stop me from noticing that the line "don't leave your thoughts unguarded" would make a pretty cool quote. --Vernon. From wism@kalikka.jyu.fi Tue Jan 31 13:52 PST 1995 From: William Smith Subject: Subscribing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello, I would like to be added to the THE CHURCH mailing list. Could you please send me information? Thanks ahead of time, Bill Smith From wism@kalikka.jyu.fi Wed Feb 1 03:38 PST 1995 From: William Smith Subject: subscribing Cc: info-seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello, I would like to join the Church mailing list. Could I please have some information on how I might join. Thanks you. William Smith From wism@kalikka.jyu.fi Wed Feb 1 14:37 PST 1995 From: William Smith Subject: concert in Tampere, Finland Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit There was an acoustic concert by the Church in Tampere, Finland in the Fall in the University of Tampere Student Union Building. There were no more than 200-300 people there total. The Church is a rather unknown band in Finland. Anyway, I got a chance to talk to both Marty Willson-Piper and Steve Kilbey. I asked Steve where I might be able to find his solo CD's *Jack Frost* and *The Slow Crack*. He said that I should be able to get them.(I have found Jack Frost but not The Slow Crack) He also said that he has a new one coming out in the summer, so keep your eyes open for it. Some of the songs they played were Tristesse (Heyday), 10,000 miles (Remote Luxury), Providence (Jack Frost), Will I Start to Bleed (Piper's 'Spirit Level'),Myrrh (Heyday),My Little Problem (Sometime Anywhere), and so on. Even though there were only two acoustic guitars as instruments, they were able to produce a full rich sound. Marty Willson-Piper had a distortion pedal hooked to his acoustic guitar, and made some pretty amazing sounds. I heard about this concert by chance from a friend of a friend. I am glad that I went. I was finally able to meet the musicians that I had been listening to for 8 years. If anyone is interested I can give a list of the CD's that The Church has done or the musicians have done solo. If I leave anything out, please add. The Church: Of Skins and Heart The Blurred Crusade Seance (after which this mailing list is named) Remote Luxury Heyday Starfish Gold Afternoon Fix Priest=Aura Sometime Anywhere Steven Kilbey: Earthed Unearthed Jack Frost The Slow Crack Marty Willson Piper: Rhyme Art Attack Spirit Level Peter Koppes:(what happened to him?) Manchild and Myth By the way I am looking for *The Slow Crack* by S. Kilbey -Bill Smith, an avid fan of The Church From wism@kalikka.jyu.fi Tue Feb 7 11:29 PST 1995 From: William Smith Subject: thanks for the chords Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I don't play guitar very well, but most of The Church's songs are pretty simple. I was trying to figure out how to play "Disappear" from Seance. As far as I can tell the introduction to the song is A with the third finger lifting alternately, and D with the third finger lifting alternately. Has anyone written this song's chords down? Also, are there chords for "The Fields of Mars"? Does any one know what Steve Kilbey's little problem is in the song "My Little Problem"? If anyone has seen S.Kilbey's "Remindlessness" on CD, would you please help me to get it. I will make sure it is wirth your trouble. -Bill From wism@kalikka.jyu.fi Thu Feb 23 10:28 PST 1995 From: William Smith Subject: The Church word of the day Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The Church word of the day: Mandrake Just recently I noticed the use of the word 'Mandrake' in The Church's music. I got curious, so I looked it up in the dictionary. It appears in the songs 'Dead Man's Dream' ( Sometime Anywhere ) and 'Kings' ( Priest = Aura ) and perhaps in others. Mandrake: a Eurasian plant with purplish flowers and a forked root. It was formerly thought to have magical powers and a narcotic was prepared from its root. The form mandrake was probably adopted through folk etymology, because of the allegedly human appearance of the root and because drake ( dragon ) suggested magical powers. That's what the dictionary has to say about it. Morten, could you make sure Ken Sabatini is correctly on the list? He wrote me asking for the address. I remember I also had problems at first too. Thanks. From wism@kalikka.jyu.fi Thu Feb 23 10:33 PST 1995 From: William Smith Subject: REMINDLESSNESS Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Is any body interested in ordering a copy of 'Remindlessness'? If we got together the number of people who would order, and then ordered them from Australia, that we would have a good chance to get them. If you are interested, could you e-mail me personally. I will then find a person in Australia or America to handle the collecting of the money and mailing. Is there anyone living in Sidney? If I try to handle the collecting and mailing, there will be those stupid EU customs. So let me know. Bill wism@jyu.fi From wism@kalikka.jyu.fi Fri Mar 3 01:56 PST 1995 From: William Smith Subject: Narcosis Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I apologize about bothering the whole list but somehow in all the mailing peoples' return addresses get clipped off. Brett, Hi this is William. Could you send me another e-mail with your e-mail address in the body of the letter. Thanks, William Smith wism@jyu.fi From wism@tukki.jyu.fi Sun Feb 12 05:31 PST 1995 From: William Smith Subject: Re: Desert Island Discs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Here's what I'd put: The Church: everything Steve Kilbey: everything M Willson-Piper: everything Simple Minds: Sparkle in the Rain, New Gold Dream U2: October, Unforgettable Fire Midnight Oil: Everything Hunters and Collectors: Human Frailty REM: Everything except Monster Cranberries: Everybody's Doing It... New Order: Brotherhood, Lowlife Love and Rockets. I forget the name The Call: I forget the names of the 2 Id bring A Compilation of Baroque I have The Stranglers: Dreamtime The Choir: Chase the Kangaroo From wism@tukki.jyu.fi Sun Feb 12 13:04 PST 1995 From: William Smith Subject: e-mail Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Nicole Hall and Lars Christensen, Could you please e-mail me. I sent e-mail letters to you about some cd's using 'reply', and I noticed that the letters I replied to had no return address, just your names. Sorry about that, I did reply to you but it didn't go anywhere. -Bill Smith From wism@tukki.jyu.fi Sun Feb 26 12:24 PST 1995 From: William Smith Subject: Narcosis Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I have heard a lot of discussion about 'Narcosis' by S.Kilbey. Can anyone tell me the name and address of the record company that sells it? Ugliness you have to learn, but beauty you can't teach from 'Disappear' on Seance Bill Smith wism@jyu.fi From adder@tnce.com Mon Feb 13 22:34 PST 1995 via UUCP; Mon, 13 Feb 95 21:54:53 EST for seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM >Received: by tnce.com (1.65/waf) via UUCP; Mon, 13 Feb 95 21:54:53 EST for seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Subject: DID's From: adder@tnce.com (Black Adder) Organization: The National Cheese Emporium BBS 215.673.0261 Difficult, but here... The Church - Gold Afternoon Fix, Priest=Aura Siouxsie & The Banshees - Juju, Kaleidoscope, Peepshow Sisters of Mercy - Floodland Lloyd Cole & The Commotions - Mainstream Dead Can Dance - Into The Labyrinth Ultra Vivid Scene - Rev October Project Shriekback - Oil & Gold Sarah McLachlan - Fumbling Towards Ecstasy Cocteau Twins - The Pink Opaque Simple Minds - New Gold Dream Tough, tough.. The views above are probably not those of: |Located in beautiful, historic The National Cheese Emporium BBS 215.673.0261| Philadelphia, Pennsylvania running WWIV 4.23 / 2 lines / ASP approved BBS| U.S.A From anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Thu Dec 1 00:16 PST 1994 Reply-To: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Organization: Xymox UUCP System, Melbourne Australia From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: The new Church compilation I was at EMI today and noticed on the release sheet for next week that the Church compilation "Almost Yesterday 1981-1990" is out next Monday in Australia. They didn't have any promo copies around - I'll get one next week - but I gleaned some very bare-bones info from one of the PR people there. * It's on Raven Records, a "retro" label who don't release much, but it's distributed by EMI. * The cover is "really nice, very white with embossed writing on it". * It contains Unguarded Moment, Under The Milky Way, "lots of other stuff and a track that's never been heard before". That's all the info they had. I'll post more when I have the disc in my hands.. - Anthony -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Physical mail: P.O. Box 40, Malvern 3144, Victoria, Australia "The red sky was bleeding glimpses of heaven, in sections of seven..." - Rose Chronicles reaching lyrical perfection on "Awaiting Eternity" ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Thu Dec 1 00:17 PST 1994 Reply-To: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Organization: Xymox UUCP System, Melbourne Australia From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Re: Fake - Back Of My Hand EP & Fake CD Dick adds Fake to the discography... > Steve Kilbey (Fake) > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > 1994 Back Of My Hand > > Steve Kilbey (Instruments, Sounds, *Vocals) > Mylene Farmer (Vocals) > Boris Goudenov (Trumpet) > "Lady Bump" Stewart (Image) [...] > > Farmer & Goudenov are rumored to be members of Fake. Kilbey's Goudenov is not only definitely a member of Fake, he's quite likely the prime mover behind the project. I have that on good authority. :) The songwriting itself is a collaboration between Kilbey, Goudenov, and a mystery third person. As for the Mylene Farmer thing - I posted that as a guess based on what I was told prior to hearing the album - i.e. that the singer was French. The accent on the spoken bits on "I Cannot Feel You", though, would tend to cancel that possibility. The accent is a definite celtic one... Oh, and don't forget: > 3:28 Back Of My Hand (edit) > 3:31 Nympho > 4:05 I Cannot Feel You > 11:11 Untitled One > 2:00 "Blank Spaces" (hidden track) The version of "I Cannot Feel You" on the single is not the album version. I'm still working on the singer's identity, but even now nobody is talking. :) -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Physical mail: P.O. Box 40, Malvern 3144, Victoria, Australia "The red sky was bleeding glimpses of heaven, in sections of seven..." - Rose Chronicles reaching lyrical perfection on "Awaiting Eternity" ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Thu Dec 1 00:21 PST 1994 Reply-To: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Organization: Xymox UUCP System, Melbourne Australia From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Re: Fake - Back Of My Hand EP & Fake CD Morten writes: > As for Steve's involvement I agree it's hard to detect. The masked voice > on the end of Untitled One sounds a lot like him, especially the way the > voice drops off at the end of each sentence. And since Anthony says he > is involved, that's good enough for me.... Not only I say he's involved. He does! He has on several occasions in interviews here, as has Steven Cummings. But more interesting still was the fact that he also mentioned it in a letter he wrote to Morten: | I am in the process of starting up my own label called "Karmic | Hit" and will be releasing my own solo work plus records by Curious | Yellow, Warp Factor 9, Bhagavad Guitars, Fake and a few others. The | music is all of a similar aesthetic and people will hopefully like | all the records on the label. Some of it is absolutely excellent, I think. Now this is interesting. This is back in November 93. New albums by Curious (Yellow) *and* Fake. Hmmm. But then in the same letter: | 5. No new Curious. Karin has made a record called "Invoice" | with Boris Gudonov who works with all of us now. He is a brilliant | musician and techno-boffin. It's an unbelievable good record. There's your answer. It has to be her, at least on some of the album. > One thing is obvious though... Karin Jansson is definetely the main > vocalist on most of the tracks (but not all). Listen to the way > "stupid" is pronounced on "Back Of My Mind". Or the end of "Bring > Me Down". If that's not a Swedish accent, I'll eat lutefisk (a The first person I thought of when I heard "Back Of My Mind" was Karin. But that has been denied repeatedly by the label and others. I still wanna know who the Scottish/Irish voice is...! > singing. She does a pretty good job in my opinion. The fact that > Karin is so involved in this album, makes me wonder if this is the > album Steve was referring to when he mentioned that Karin had recorded > a new album and that it was very good.... Maybe Fake is another > Jansson moniker??? You read my mind yet again, Morten! :-) -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Physical mail: P.O. Box 40, Malvern 3144, Victoria, Australia "The red sky was bleeding glimpses of heaven, in sections of seven..." - Rose Chronicles reaching lyrical perfection on "Awaiting Eternity" ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Sat Dec 3 03:02 PST 1994 Reply-To: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Organization: Xymox UUCP System, Melbourne Australia From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Re: newbie Bobby (welcome!) writes: > only import that the record store had in stock..i've seen on > cdnow.com two others that i'd never heard about plus the infamous > hindsight.. which, btw, marty said personally was hard to get a > hold of even in australia.. Hindsight? It's super-easy to get here. It's still in the shops, and it was released by EMI who I'm sure still have it in their catalogue. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Physical mail: P.O. Box 40, Malvern 3144, Victoria, Australia "The red sky was bleeding glimpses of heaven, in sections of seven..." - Rose Chronicles reaching lyrical perfection on "Awaiting Eternity" ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Sat Dec 3 03:06 PST 1994 Reply-To: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Organization: Xymox UUCP System, Melbourne Australia From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Re: Singer on Fake Brian writes: > Anyone have any idea to what extent this is a Skilbey album ? > Writing/mixing/backing vocals/programming/playing ? I know he produced it, > but did he do anything else ? Apparently he did... I don't know to what extent, though. Certainly he played guitars on the record, as Boris is not a guitarist. > Or if not, were the other roles filled by > people that he's worked with before ? I think Boris Gudenov played trumpet, Boris is also a bit of a keyboard/sampler-head, and has been experimenting for some time with sample loops and effects. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Physical mail: P.O. Box 40, Malvern 3144, Victoria, Australia "The red sky was bleeding glimpses of heaven, in sections of seven..." - Rose Chronicles reaching lyrical perfection on "Awaiting Eternity" ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Sat Dec 3 03:08 PST 1994 Reply-To: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Organization: Xymox UUCP System, Melbourne Australia From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Re: Fake femme Paul says: > Well I haven't heard it yet, but if the Fake female sounds celtic, how > about Enya? :) Or perhaps a virtual unknown about to be propelled into > the international limelight when Fake sets the music world on its ear..... It's certainly not Enya. A few more discrete inquiries over the last couple of days have suggested that it may not be Karin either, though my ears tell me otherwise on certain songs. In my post of the other day I quoted Kilbey's letter to Morten which had him talking about "Invoice", a track Steve said he's recorded with Boris and Karin. I am told that this is most definitely unconnected with Fake, and remains unreleased. One other possibility that comes to mind is that the singer(s) on the album may be signed to other labels and have to remain anonymous to protect them from lawsuits... -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Physical mail: P.O. Box 40, Malvern 3144, Victoria, Australia "The red sky was bleeding glimpses of heaven, in sections of seven..." - Rose Chronicles reaching lyrical perfection on "Awaiting Eternity" ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Sat Dec 10 03:06 PST 1994 Reply-To: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Organization: Xymox UUCP System, Melbourne Australia From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Re: Almost Yesterday > > It's got an eight page booklet w/a history of the band & an discog(aus). > > Very nice. As Anthony said, features a white cover w/silver printing. > > It does not jump off the racks as a Church disc. Well, I've got to > > give it a listen now.... > > Anthony also said they (EMI) claimed there would be "a track > that's never been heard before"... I guess they think _no-one_ has the > SingSongs ep... :-) Or is there a track that has an alternate take? I asked the person at EMi who told me this last night, and she said it's what Raven told them. Buck passing lives!!! :-) -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Physical mail: P.O. Box 40, Malvern 3144, Victoria, Australia "The red sky was bleeding glimpses of heaven, in sections of seven..." - Rose Chronicles reaching lyrical perfection on "Awaiting Eternity" ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Wed Dec 14 08:59 PST 1994 Reply-To: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Organization: Xymox UUCP System, Melbourne Australia From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Re: discog update > 1994 Almost Yesterday (1981-1990) > > Raven RVCD-43 (Aus), distributed by EMI/Mushroom EMI/Mushroom? It says that? They're bitter rivals here! EMI Australia are definitely distributing the CD in Australia. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Physical mail: P.O. Box 40, Malvern 3144, Victoria, Australia "The red sky was bleeding glimpses of heaven, in sections of seven..." - Rose Chronicles reaching lyrical perfection on "Awaiting Eternity" ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Wed Dec 14 09:01 PST 1994 Reply-To: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Organization: Xymox UUCP System, Melbourne Australia From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Re: t-shirts John O'Sullivan asks: > Would raspet@homer.acs.bethel.edu mind explaining what Type EXT TT > for a surprize! (fwd was all about? I got 57 kb of junk. Try saving it to a text file and typing said file in an ANSI or VT100 shell and/or terminal. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Physical mail: P.O. Box 40, Malvern 3144, Victoria, Australia "The red sky was bleeding glimpses of heaven, in sections of seven..." - Rose Chronicles reaching lyrical perfection on "Awaiting Eternity" ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Wed Dec 14 09:03 PST 1994 Reply-To: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Organization: Xymox UUCP System, Melbourne Australia From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Re: Have the Church signed yet? > Does anyone know if the Church have found a new master yet? Have Ryko > snapped at the bait? (Come on Anthony, you must know) far as the US side of things goes, I don't think they'll really give a toss until they have a new album ready, so I wouldn't expect an announcement for a while. It's not outside the realms of possibility that, like Hunters And Collectors before them, they don't find another deal at all. Hopefully they will, though. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Physical mail: P.O. Box 40, Malvern 3144, Victoria, Australia "The red sky was bleeding glimpses of heaven, in sections of seven..." - Rose Chronicles reaching lyrical perfection on "Awaiting Eternity" ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Wed Dec 21 08:21 PST 1994 Reply-To: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Organization: Xymox UUCP System, Melbourne Australia From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: re: Almost Yesterday > Anthony asked if "Almost Yesterday (1981-1990)" was *really* > distributed by EMI/Mushroom. > > Good question. I double checked the CD/booklet and found *only* this: > > Issued by arrangement with EMI Australia and Mushroom Records. That refers to the licensing of the tracks - everything up to the "Seance" tracks are owned by EMI Australia, everything after by Mushroom. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Physical mail: P.O. Box 40, Malvern 3144, Victoria, Australia "The red sky was bleeding glimpses of heaven, in sections of seven..." - Rose Chronicles reaching lyrical perfection on "Awaiting Eternity" ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Thu Jan 12 09:08 PST 1995 Reply-To: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Organization: Xymox UUCP System, Melbourne Australia From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Re: Rumour,lies,intrigue,gossip and money etc > Over the Xmas hols I met a girl through a friend who lives in Surrey Hills, > Sydney, Oz and she told me that she often sees Mr Kilbey in her local Post > Office !! Also, he (alledgedly) only lives in a 'fairly grotty little' flat, > not far from her.....(ref: the recent debate about his current wealth/status) He does indeed live in Surrey Hills, though I heard he had moved recently, along with his studio (when it changed names). > She also said that he lives alone now, not with KJ and the twins. Also went on Karin and the twins live in Sweden, and Steve spends a fair amount of time there. > to recount that she shares a place with some guys in a band called The > Catherine Wheel who have supported The Church a few times and have ended up The Catherine Wheel have broken up, but some of the members are now in a band called Polyanna; I interviewed Matt Handley from that band last week (he was a member of The Catherine Wheel). If you see this girl again, tell her to tell Matt that Anthony from Beat Magazine said hi. That should puzzle him. :-) > * some confusion exists here as to which band this is, as Graham (another UK > contributor) and I have heard of at least one other band of the same name from > over here * There were two bands with the same name, one from the UK, one from Sydney. > I could have quizzed her for ages but didnt see her for that long PLUS I dont > know how reliable her info is ... Seems pretty reliable to me. BTW, those wanting pictures of Kilbey's studio might like to check out the new Drop City album, which has studio photos in the booklet. (Russell Kilbey worked on the album at Karmic Hit). -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Physical mail: P.O. Box 40, Malvern 3144, Victoria, Australia "The red sky was bleeding glimpses of heaven, in sections of seven..." - Rose Chronicles reaching lyrical perfection on "Awaiting Eternity" ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Sun Jan 22 06:45 PST 1995 Reply-To: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Organization: Xymox UUCP System, Melbourne Australia From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Re: The Lads On Sale Brian finds: > Margot Smith's "Sleeping with the Lion" $12.95 > > Philistines ! "Forgive them, Oh Steve, for they know not what they do" :-) Better let the list know where - there may still be people after Margot's album around here... someone has to rescue it from discount hell! :) > PS The worst of it is, I paid bloody full price for ALL those albums ! Look on the bright side - the artist really appreciates it. :-) -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Physical mail: P.O. Box 40, Malvern 3144, Victoria, Australia "The red sky was bleeding glimpses of heaven, in sections of seven..." - Rose Chronicles reaching lyrical perfection on "Awaiting Eternity" ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Mon Jan 30 09:07 PST 1995 Reply-To: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Organization: Xymox UUCP System, Melbourne Australia From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Re: Ploog played in Melbourne recently Brian finds: > A few months back I sent a report of a sighting of Richard Ploog here in > Melbourne. I spoke to my cousin (who was at the gig at the Fox and Hounds) > to get more details out of him. He remembered that the band Richard sat in > with was called Dentists Drill, and he'd been called at the last minute to > replace their drummer. That implies he lives (or lived) in Melbourne, so at > least I know something I didn't before. > > Mr Horan, any info on that band ? I've never heard of 'em! Neither has anyone at the magazine... I'll ask around a bit more, though, and see if anyone can discover anything... -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Physical mail: P.O. Box 40, Malvern 3144, Victoria, Australia "The red sky was bleeding glimpses of heaven, in sections of seven..." - Rose Chronicles reaching lyrical perfection on "Awaiting Eternity" ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From @pucc.PRINCETON.EDU:SG938Q7H@DUVM.OCS.DREXEL.EDU Fri Feb 24 08:02 PST 1995 From: c Subject: more T-shirt feedback Thought that I would throw in my two cents regarding the T-shirt issue: I have always like the line "along the wall the flowers grow/and down their sticky stems I go" for some reason. Probably because it is open to interpretation. As for artwork, has anyone considered the symbols from the SA album cover?? I also like the Japanese sun and the waves. Perhaps we could do a composite of more that one image from any given album cover. (Yeah, that's it: the cover of P=A and the sun & waves in the sky!!) Mind you, I'm just brainstorming here.;) Susan Zalenski sg938q7h@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu From ckoontz@centerice.aud.alcatel.com Mon Jan 9 11:25 PST 1995 From: ckoontz@centerice.aud.alcatel.com (Columbia Blue Carl) Subject: Church rips off Boston? I was listening to "Fly Home" the other day and noticed how much the guitar sounds near the end of the song are like the guitar sounds used by Boston. Has anybody else noticed this? CBC From ckoontz@centerice.aud.alcatel.com Fri Jan 13 10:49 PST 1995 From: ckoontz@centerice.aud.alcatel.com (Columbia Blue Carl) Subject: Re: mystery I think it's nice to have the lyrics because sometimes Church lyrics tend to be intrepretable as bisexual. Carl From ctn2d@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu Fri Dec 30 18:57 PST 1994 30 Dec 94 21:57 EST From: ctn2d@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu Subject: Re: The Church question: did steve grow his beard/goatee back sometime after sometime/anywhere ? Sadly, many children are not even born into families today, but are orphaned even before their birth by the choice of their parents who do not want them. This grieves my heart so. Cherish your children and give them the stable environment they deserve. -The Blessed Virgin Mary, March 7, 1987 From ctn2d@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu Fri Dec 30 19:00 PST 1994 30 Dec 94 22:00 EST From: ctn2d@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu Subject: Re: just wondering is there a church toour in the us in the works? i would like info on east coast dates if they exist. thanks Sadly, many children are not even born into families today, but are orphaned even before their birth by the choice of their parents who do not want them. This grieves my heart so. Cherish your children and give them the stable environment they deserve. -The Blessed Virgin Mary, March 7, 1987 From ctn2d@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu Fri Jan 13 21:40 PST 1995 14 Jan 95 0:40 EST From: ctn2d@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Subject: Re: mystery hey, any news yet on east coast dates? please speed any available info. chris Sadly, many children are not even born into families today, but are orphaned even before their birth by the choice of their parents who do not want them. This grieves my heart so. Cherish your children and give them the stable environment they deserve. -The Blessed Virgin Mary, March 7, 1987 From ctn2d@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu Sat Feb 11 09:32 PST 1995 11 Feb 95 12:30 EST From: ctn2d@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu seance Subject: Re: last night's show-redondo beach Cc: jwhughes hey, this is kindof urgent (that is if there has been any news) can someone please send me infor a bout east coast tour dates if any exist so that i wo''t miss the action. send them to ctn2d@kelvin.seas.virginia.edu cause i don't read this mail much. thanks a million. chris Sadly, many children are not even born into families today, but are orphaned even before their birth by the choice of their parents who do not want them. This grieves my heart so. Cherish your children and give them the stable environment they deserve. -The Blessed Virgin Mary, March 7, 1987 From dgaither@st6000.sct.edu Mon Feb 27 15:59 PST 1995 From: dgaither@st6000.sct.edu (Daniel Gaither) Subject: Unsubscribe Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Unsubscribe me. From es357@kanga.INS.CWRU.Edu Wed Nov 30 12:57 PST 1994 From: es357@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bobby Rothrock) Subject: newbie Reply-To: es357@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bobby Rothrock) hiya! i'm new here to this list..found out about it in iowa..imagine that.. anyway.. i first found out about the church from columbia house records..i would just read all the blurbs and pick some of the interesting ones.. church caught my attention like that.. as well as ocean blue and the blue nile..first album was starfish.. fell in love after that..i got all the old ones..seance, blurred crusade, of skins and heart..etc..got quick smoke at spots..the only import that the record store had in stock..i've seen on cdnow.com two others that i'd never heard about plus the infamous hindsight.. which, btw, marty said personally was hard to get a hold of even in australia.. i saw the church here in cleveland last may...just the two of them (mwp, sk) doing an acoustic show.. marty was goin off!! it was amazing! met marty..got both autographs.. favorite album is heyday..then starfish, then quick..favorite songs are youth worshipper..(my cyberspace handle in most locations)..myrrh ..eastern..anna miranda..milky way..(check the sig for fav line from those two songs)..anyway..that's me and my obsesion with the church.. later. bobby -- wish i knew what you were looking for might have known what you would find.. kilbey c. 1988 From es357@nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu Thu Dec 1 21:01 PST 1994 From: es357@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bobby Rothrock) Subject: Re: various Reply-To: es357@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bobby Rothrock) > Another subject I am curious about is Church videos. I own Goldfish, >Jokes, etc., so I assume I have seen everything up to and including Gold >Afternoon Fix. I also saw the Ripple video on '120 minutes' on MTV. (Thats >MTV's alternative show in the U.S.) After that, however, I haven't seen >anything more recent despite the fact that I watch 120 fairly regularly. >Were any videos made for Sometime Anywhere or the rest of P=A? By the way, >'120 Minutes' still plays the video for 'Tantalized' every couple of months >and calls it a Cult Classic. They do not play 'Under the Milky Way' or >'Metropolis'. I thought that was kind of curious considering the general >popularity of the various songs. Not that I'm complaining, since they are >playing something.... > > Bob Mallon > rdm1@lehigh.edu > > > > ok..from what my friends with cable say...there was in fact a church video shown last spring for the song 'two places at once' and i heard about it on some commercial i believe.. any way..hope the info helps.. bobby -- wish i knew what you were looking for might have known what you would find.. kilbey c. 1988 From es357@nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu Thu Dec 1 22:38 PST 1994 From: es357@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bobby Rothrock) Subject: Re: drummers Reply-To: es357@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bobby Rothrock) > > >I don't agree that Ploog is such a bad drummer. He's actually one >of my favourites. He is (was) a 1/4 of the Church sound with his >personal and rythmic style. JD may be a technically better drummer >and he has is own style which don't sound as "Churchy" as Ploog >to me. I think that Priest=Aura is a good album but I miss Ploog's >drum style to make it a "real" church album and the new album is >definatly something else. > >It is real stupid to rate music on technical merit. > >Per > > as for mr. ploog as drummer.. heyday and starfish happen to be the top two so far.. and they both feature him behind the drums.. he helped make the church the band that they sound like in those early and fairly recent years.. priest=aura was mastered and engineered like no other album they had done, and the drums weren't what made it sound so different.. it was made into a much more moody album..very mellow.. i thought that jd did a fine job on the album.. and i definitely agree that the last album was something else.. it's prolly been said in here b4..but i thought they took an extreme U2 avenue (achtung baby).. l8r bobby -- wish i knew what you were looking for might have known what you would find.. kilbey c. 1988 From es357@kanga.INS.CWRU.Edu Mon Dec 5 12:07 PST 1994 From: es357@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bobby Rothrock) Subject: fav. stuff Reply-To: es357@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bobby Rothrock) alrighty then...favorite church album is going to have to be.. drum roll please....dadadadadadadadadadadaadadadada HEYDAY: not sure what other ppl think, but i figured most say that starfish would be the church peak.. i have to go with this one.. being that is just sound the most churchish to me..some of my favorite songs come from this album..but not all top three.. ok.. top three songs.. YOUTH WORSHIPPER don't know why..but it is..something just turns me on..also if you see this handle on ISCA give me a hollar.. DESTINATION such a great moody song.. ANNA MIRANDA in at number three..contains my favorite church line..check out my sig at the end of this letter.. so there you go.. bobby -- wish i knew what you were looking for might have known what you would find.. kilbey c. 1988 From es357@kanga.INS.CWRU.Edu Sat Dec 10 16:37 PST 1994 From: es357@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bobby Rothrock) Subject: Re: Somewhere Else Reply-To: es357@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bobby Rothrock) >Somebody was asking about aquiring Somewhere Else. > >I called the local record store today, and they have 1 copy left of the >limited edition package of Sometime, Anywhere which includes the bonus >disc. > >Again, >Eve > > this thing was supposed to be a limited edition? i got my single disc 'sometime anywhere' is record den at tower city mall in cleveland..i saw no sign of a double with 'somewhere else'..then i found out they had the double at the concert..i went home (from college) soon after that, and while checking out the overpriced albums at national record mart in a hick town mall (pop. 20,000..defiance, oh) i found 3 copies of the double album.. that is why i question it being a limited edition thing..the only church that defiance ohio would know about is the 10,000 catholic and methodist establishments in the area.. that is my 2 pennies on that.. bobby -- wish i knew what you were looking for might have known what you would find.. kilbey c. 1988 From es357@kanga.INS.CWRU.Edu Wed Dec 21 10:20 PST 1994 From: es357@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bobby Rothrock) Subject: Re: COLLECTABLES, the Church etc. Reply-To: es357@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bobby Rothrock) > >I'm away for the weekend, and when I get back I find the mail has gone >bonkers. Not five messages, not ten... > i also went away for the weekend this past one...come back to find 45 messages!!! didn't realize there were so many church fans still out there.. as for my most cherished collectable.. it has to be marty and steve's autographs obtained at the show they did in cleveland last may.. albeit they are on a dub of heyday..they still are the real thing.. i also wanted to add a picture of me and marty, but alas the guy that took the pictures never sent them to me.. :( ..so if you're out there!!! please write to me!! later, bobby -youth worshipper- -- wish i knew what you were looking for might have known what you would find.. kilbey c. 1988 From es357@nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu Wed Jan 11 15:33 PST 1995 From: es357@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bobby Rothrock) Subject: Re: Traveling Tunes Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Reply-To: es357@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bobby Rothrock) >Didn't SK say in some interview that all (or most) of the albums have some >theme that the songs tend to fit? For Starfish it was travel, I remember >that one. What were some of the other ones? I'm usually not so good at >getting meaning out of whole songs or albums, I usually find things >relevant to my life in simple phrases or lines and leave it at that. And >not that any interpretations would be WRONG, of course. ;) > >nicole > i noticed some sort of drug theme on P=A...i've always wanted to ask someone about it...there is a reference to hash in swan song...opium in aura..and something that goes up you nose..(coke) in {drawing a blank from the top of my head}.. just curious about that.. bobby -- wish i knew what you were looking for might have known what you would find.. kilbey c. 1988 From es357@eeyore.INS.CWRU.Edu Wed Jan 11 23:18 PST 1995 From: es357@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bobby Rothrock) Subject: Re: SF Concert Date! Reply-To: es357@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bobby Rothrock) > >Btw, I think they are billed as "Steve Kilbey and Marty Willson-Piper" >and not the Church! At least they were on the Bay Area Concert calendar... > >-morten > > when they played in cleveland last may..it was 'steve kilbey and marty willson-piper of the church'..are they coming back this way..does anyone know yet? bobby -- wish i knew what you were looking for might have known what you would find.. kilbey c. 1988 From es357@nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu Mon Jan 23 15:24 PST 1995 From: es357@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bobby Rothrock) Subject: Re: Worst songs Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Reply-To: es357@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bobby Rothrock) > >Well the only Church track I regularly shuttle past is the "The >Disillusionist", even though otherwise I (gasp!) really like the P=A album >(Kings would be one of my favourite Church tracks). > i'm gonna have to agree highly with his vote for disillusionist...it makes my face cringe to think about that song..those lyrics..that tune...ick.. :P as for '..still beautiful..' which many seem to be knocking..it has kinda personal meaning..so i like it.. bobby -- wish i knew what you were looking for might have known what you would find.. kilbey c. 1988 From es357@kanga.INS.CWRU.Edu Tue Jan 24 20:28 PST 1995 From: es357@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bobby Rothrock) Subject: Re: My least favourite songs Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Reply-To: es357@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bobby Rothrock) > > >Here's my list..... > >2. Night of Light - As close to Neil Diamond as they ever come.... > I cringe everytime the violins come in on the refrain. > And the trumpets.... Yuk! > >3. Youth Worshipper - Another prime example of how they ruined perfectly good > songs by trying to give the band an american sound. That > horn break towards the end is godawful. And to think > that SK arranged both horns and strings on those 2 > tracks...He must've hit some bad grass.... > morten, it seems you just cut down two of my favorites from my favorite album.. :( my handle around much of cyberspace is youth worshipper.. try listening to it when you get ahold of some bad weed.. :) >Honorable Mentions: > >Angelica - This still doesn't gel with me, although I like the repeating > guitar riff right before Marty yells "Angelica I'r Warnt You...r" > that's my fav. part of that song too!! >You're Still Beautiful - The refrain has the same effect on me as > stroking a cat from tail to head has on a cat... > Fssssss...... > > >-morten > hehehehehe --------^ bobby.. *off in a corner bawling..* -- wish i knew what you were looking for might have known what you would find.. kilbey c. 1988 From es357@piglet.INS.CWRU.Edu Sun Feb 12 15:19 PST 1995 From: es357@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bobby Rothrock) Subject: Re: DIDs Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Reply-To: es357@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bobby Rothrock) > >O.K., this list changes every day, maybe even every moment. Which is >why I don't plan on moving to a desert island. But here goes. The first >one never changes, the rest aren't ranked in any order, and I limit >myself to one album per artist: > > Velvet Underground--1969 Live > Bruce Springsteen--Darkness on the Edge of Town > The Clash--Sandinista! > Bob Dylan--Bringing it all Back Home > Beatles--Revolver > Rolling Stones--Let It Bleed > Nirvana--Nevermind > R.E.M.--Document > Led Zeppelin--Physical Graffiti > Billy Bragg--Brewing Up With Billy Bragg > Midnight Oil--Red Sails in the Sunset > Game Theory--Lolita Nation > Robyn Hitchcock--I Often Dream of Trains > Lloyd Cole--Lloyd Cole > JudyBats--Down in the Shacks Where the Satellite Dishes Grow > Roxy Music--Stranded > Shriekback--Oil and Gold > XTC--Black Sea > Richard Thompson--Daring Adventures > >wait, there's no more room for ME on the island! I can't swim! Help! Help! >Au secour! Hel... > >Later, > >Miles > > ahem...i did not see a church album on this list... :( bobby..aka youth worshipper.. -- wish i knew what you were looking for might have known what you would find.. kilbey c. 1988 From es357@eeyore.INS.CWRU.Edu Mon Feb 13 08:39 PST 1995 From: es357@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bobby Rothrock) Subject: Re: DID Ya? Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Reply-To: es357@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bobby Rothrock) > >Bobby sez to me: > > > >B> ahem...i did not see a church album on this list... :( > >Hmm, since 20 would be a nice even number, maybe I'll take _Starfish_ or >_Sometime Anywhere_. But over Eno's _Taking Tiger Mountain_ or Prince's >_1999_ or Squeeze's _EastSideStory_ or the Blue Aeroplanes' _Beatsongs_? >Don't get me wrong, I love the Church, else I wouldn't be on this list, but >they're one of the groups whose career is more than the sum of their parts. >If I had to pick 20 favorite groups they'd be on the list, but I'm not >sure if any single album they've done would make THAT top 20. Seems like >there's always an egregious Kilbey lyrical clunker or a song ("Business Woman," >for example) to mess things up. Remember, this is competition on the highest >level, and one false step can cost you. 8) > >Later, > >Miles > > i was a just kiddin'.. but i'm sorry you don't feel any church album on the singular is fit for this list..heyday has to just barely miss this exclusive plateau? me thinks it would make it.. two more pennies in there.. bobby -- wish i knew what you were looking for might have known what you would find.. kilbey c. 1988 From es357@kanga.INS.CWRU.Edu Thu Feb 23 20:33 PST 1995 From: es357@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bobby Rothrock) Subject: NOT CHURCH RELATED: Scary stuff (fwd) Don't let big brother rule you!] Reply-To: es357@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bobby Rothrock) this is not church related..and may only apply to those in the us.. but i think i should be read by as many ppl as possible..thanx for the space.. > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > Hello everyone... > > However, a matter has come to my attention that is of the utmost > importance to all of us online. > > Simply put, a couple of senators have proposed a particularly > heinous piece of legislation titled the "Communications > Decency Act of 1995" (Senate Bill S. 314). Basically, the > bill would subject all forms of electronic communication -- > from public Internet postings to your most private email -- > to government censorship. The effects of the bill onto the > online industry would be devastating -- most colleges and > private companies (AOL, Compuserve, etc.) would probably have > to shut down or greatly restrict access, since they would be > held criminally liable for the postings and email of private > users. > > Obviously, this bill is designed to win votes for these senators > among those who are fearful of the internet and aren't big > fans of freedom of speech -- ie., those who are always trying to > censor "pornography" and dirty books and such. Given the > political climate in this country, this bill might just pass > unless the computer community demonstrates its strength as a > committed political force to be reckoned with. This, my friends, > is why I have filled your mailbox with this very long message. > > A petition, to be sent to Congress, the President, and the media, > has begun spreading through the Internet. It's easy to participate > and be heard -- to sign it, you simply follow the instructions > below -- which boil down to sending a quick email message to a > certain address. That's all it takes to let your voice be heard. > (You know, if the Internet makes democracy this accessible to the > average citizen, is it any wonder Congress wants to censor it?) > > Finally, PLEASE forward this message to all your friends online. > The more people sign the petition, the more the government will > get the message to back off the online community. We've been doing > fine without censorship until now -- let's show them we don't plan on > allowing them to start now. If you value your freedoms -- from > your right to publicly post a message on a worldwide forum to your > right to receive private email without the government censoring it -- > you need to take action NOW. It'll take fifteen minutes at the most, > a small sacrifice considering the issues at hand. Remember, the age > of fighting for liberty with muskets and shells is most likely over; > the time has come where the keyboard and the phone line will prove > mightier than the sword -- or the Senate, in this case. > > Yours in liberty, > > -don > > > > > Here's what you have to do to sign the petition: > > > > send an e-mail message to: S314-petition@netcom.com > > the message (NOT the subject heading) should read as follows: > > SIGNED > > eg. SIGNED lsewell@leland.Stanford.EDU Laura Sewell YES > > > > If you are interested in signing the petition, I would highly suggest > > investigating the details of the situation. You can find out more on > > the Web at http://www.wookie.net/~slowdog or in the newsgroup > > comp.org.eff.talk > > bobby rothrock aka youth worshipper -- wish i knew what you were looking for might have known what you would find.. kilbey c. 1988 From es357@kanga.INS.CWRU.Edu Wed Mar 1 15:41 PST 1995 From: es357@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bobby Rothrock) Subject: Re: shirt lyrics Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Reply-To: es357@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bobby Rothrock) >I was singin' one of my fave Church songs walking home the other day, and >this lyric hit me as a potential shirt quote: > >"Come and see the wild things that are just beyond the door" > (Authority) > >This could have a bit of a double meaning. First, as a sort of >exploration of unknown territory (e.g. Internet). Second, a subtle hint > >Just an idea. > >Scott (a.k.a. Fenton) > > > i like this idea..this would be my vote for one of the lyrics.. i especially like the second reference that he suggested.. which makes me curious if any of you church fans out there have any pix of yourselves that you would want to share with the other members...try to find a typical church fan image..if there is such a thing.. waiting to see you, bobby....aka youth worshipper -- wish i knew what you were looking for might have known what you would find.. kilbey c. 1988 From es357@kanga.INS.CWRU.Edu Thu Mar 2 22:38 PST 1995 From: es357@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bobby Rothrock) Subject: Re: T-shirt design idea (another one) Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Reply-To: es357@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bobby Rothrock) >the list is unusually quiet, i wonder if everyone's left....maybe >cause it's the middle of the night.... -henny > > i'm here..in the middle of the night...ick!!! and i'm working actually.. how terrible..perish the thought..i don't know of the pic you are refering to, but it sounds do-able..another thing...since i'm sure many many ppl on here have autographs..do you think it would be legal to scan those and stick them on the shirt somewhere? anyone with direct contacts to steve or marty? just another idea.. bobby aka youth worshipper(ISCA bbs) aka amadare(cleveland freenet) -- wish i knew what you were looking for might have known what you would find.. kilbey c. 1988 From huskers@snow.Seer.COM Fri Jan 20 06:29 PST 1995 ; Fri, 20 Jan 1995 09:28:52 -0500 From: huskers@snow.Seer.COM (Huskers) Subject: First Post Lessee... my name is Aaron Krebs. e-mail addr is huskers@snow.seer.com. I've been a fan since right after Seance. I don't imagine I've got any CDs of extraordinary rareness, but I do have: Of Skins And Heart, Blurred, Seance, Remote Luxury, Starfish, Priest=Aura, Somewhere Anytime + that extra CD that came with it. I was most decidedly depressed by Gold Afternoon Fix, which I felt was their lowpoint. Although I like all of the albums I've listed, if pressed I'd say Seance was their best. I liken it to Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon, for the following reason: I love every single song on it but one, which just does not seem to fit for me. (Money on DSOTM, and Travel by Thought on Seance - I think that is one of the worst songs they've ever done) I've also picked up Hindsight a few years ago. I have owned Art Attack for 5 years or so and listen to that occasionally. And I had both Earthed and Unearthed, and though I liked both, I think it's the combination of Kilbey and Marty that brings out their best. So! Fave Album: Seance Fave Songs: No reason, Antenna, Unguarded moment, Shadow cabinet, oh no sense in continuing this list. Oops, I also have A Quick Smoke at Spot's. Some cool stuff in there, though it's definitely a mishmash. And I've seen them only once, in Pittsburgh after Fix. Fortunately, they didn't play more than a couple from that, and played a tremendous extended version of You Took (another of my favorites). Mini-Bio: Age 24, Male, living in Cary, NC (Research Triangle) as a software developer. If you made it this far, I'm sorry I can't reward you with much more than "Glad to have found the Church list!" --Aaron If A is success in Life, then A equals X plus Y plus Z. Work is X; Play is Y; and Z is keeping your mouth shut." - A. Einstein From huskers@snow.Seer.COM Fri Jan 20 07:29 PST 1995 ; Fri, 20 Jan 1995 10:28:25 -0500 From: huskers@snow.Seer.COM (Huskers) Subject: Request I haven't got ftp access, and the obvious request follows: Could somebody please please send me the lyrics files? Any touring information? I've only had the good fortune to see the guys once, and they were incredible. Great jams. Consequently, any info would be greatly appreciated! I apologize for the following, but it is brought about by desperation: Has anybody heard of a mailing list for The The? I'd have to say they (or he, Matt Johnson) is one of my very favorites, and I haven't seen any mention of an e-list for them in the list-of-lists. Anyway, lyrics and touring info will be appreciated... Thanks, Aaron ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Aaron H. Krebs Go Big Red! Software Developer huskers@snow.seer.com Go Blue! SEER Technologies, Inc. "Could you please try to understand before one of us dies!" - B. Fawlty ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From huskers@snow.Seer.COM Fri Jan 20 11:04 PST 1995 ; Fri, 20 Jan 1995 14:03:09 -0500 From: huskers@snow.Seer.COM (Huskers) Subject: Electric Lash I had forgotten about that one; it does stand out a bit, but it is mostly inoffensive to me. Not the high point. To be honest, I haven't *listened* to Travel By Thought in a few years; it's programmed out. This, because my first copy of Seance was an audio-cassette (remember them?) that a friend made, and he arbitrarily cut that song out (he didn't like it either). So, I didn't even know the song was ON the album until I bought it a year (and MANY listens) later. At which point I was turned off for a few reasons: mostly because it sort of threw off the album as I was used to it. And I agree that some of the songs that WERE put on their albums weren't as good as some that have shown up in Hindsight or A Quick Smoke.., and of course it's my opinion but why don't they see these things!!? :) What is the current status of the band? Solo work pending, touring singly/together, working with other folks, writing more stuff?? They are one band I'd LIKE to see acoustic-ize some of their older stuff. later, Aaron ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Aaron H. Krebs Go Big Red! Software Developer huskers@snow.seer.com Go Blue! SEER Technologies, Inc. "Could you please try to understand before one of us dies!" - B. Fawlty ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From huskers@snow.Seer.COM Fri Jan 20 12:12 PST 1995 ; Fri, 20 Jan 1995 14:26:28 -0500 From: huskers@snow.Seer.COM (Huskers) Subject: TBT redux By all accounts, Travel by Thought is a lot more popular than I thought it would be! It may have been unfair for me to slam a song I haven't listened to in a couple years, so I promise to go back and give it another whirl. I'm most appreciative that the folks here who replied were not in the least bit rude, despite the fact that 100% of you disagreed! A far cry from some other lists. One thing I noticed, however, is that not one of you defended Gold Afternoon Fix. Was it lost in the rush to defend TBT, or do most folks agree with me? While there were some excellent cuts on that disc, I was terribly disappointed on the whole. Aaron "It wasn't just the things you took it was the things you had to leave..." From huskers@snow.Seer.COM Thu Jan 26 07:19 PST 1995 ; Thu, 26 Jan 1995 10:19:16 -0500 From: huskers@snow.Seer.COM (Huskers) Subject: "dREAM" is listed as track 11 on my copy of a qUICK sMOKE aT sPOT'S From huskers@snow.Seer.COM Thu Jan 26 09:25 PST 1995 ; Thu, 26 Jan 1995 12:24:48 -0500 From: huskers@snow.Seer.COM (Huskers) Subject: Apologies... to Nicole, whose e-mail address I lost. She was trying to pin down the song 'dREAM' from AQSAS, and I have it at work and quickly jotted down what lyrics I could make out. Here they are! [I suppose my apologies ought to go to everybody BUT Nicole, if they have no interest in this -- consider yourself apologized to!] >Hey. Yeah, I finally remembered it being on QSAS, but I can't remember >what it sounds like or anything...I can't find my CD, I think it's still >packed in some box. Could you type in a couple lines or something to help >me place it? *grin* Washed into a sentimental room Lonely mistress a balcony view Battle clad Byzantium command and these dull cards look nothing like my hand Lightning strikes a second time Songbird knows just when to die Emperor cries immortal from the brine Sun is in the hole in the sky Emptiness fills up with perfume cry There's an enemy crusiing on the plain tonight Harmony is lost and then it's Don't know how I'm so far from my bed ----- more chorus, fade out Not musically their best, but not their worst either. Makes sense this is an outtake. --Aaron "They can't fire me. Slaves have to be sold." From huskers@snow.Seer.COM Mon Jan 30 15:52 PST 1995 ; Mon, 30 Jan 1995 18:52:11 -0500 From: huskers@snow.Seer.COM (Huskers) Subject: The acoustic shows I know I speak for myself, and anybody else mired on the unappreciative East Coast here in the U.S. especially, when I ask if ANYBODY perhaps got a recording of these acoustic shows? The one time I saw them perform, there were about 800 people, but it wasn't NEARLY as intimate as described in Calif. --Aaron "They can't fire me. Slaves have to be sold." From huskers@snow.Seer.COM Fri Feb 10 07:49 PST 1995 ; Fri, 10 Feb 1995 10:47:57 -0500 From: huskers@snow.Seer.COM (Huskers) Subject: echoes I think people get back 'message not delivered' and re-send. These 'message not delivered' messages don't mean that NOONE got the post, just that one receiver didn't. If you'll read the message, (I get them everytime I post), it says which email address was not receiving. Everybody else still gets it. From huskers@snow.Seer.COM Fri Feb 10 12:51 PST 1995 ; Fri, 10 Feb 1995 15:49:52 -0500 From: huskers@snow.Seer.COM (Huskers) Subject: Desert Island The The Soul Mining The Cure Seventeen Seconds, Faith Siouxsie&B JuJu, The Scream PeterMurphy Deep The Church Blurred Crusade, Seance D. Bowie Rise&Fall of Ziggy Stardust Jane's Addiction Ritual de lo Habitual The Specials More Specials Madness Madness It's not fair to have to cut this off, with all the cool stuff I'd have to leave behind even with the above list. From james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Tue Nov 29 15:08 PST 1994 X-Sender: ou004859@brandywine.otago.ac.nz From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: numbers Hi everyone... especially newcomers - be they in Boston, Aberdeen, Seattle, Canada, wherever... Morton, silly question I know, but with all these new seancers (seancites? seancitonians?) on the list, how many of us are there now? Still waiting for Fake in NZ... James Musical recommendation for the day: Calenture (The Triffids) James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago. Ya jivu v' 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand pixelphone james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz steam megaphone NZ 03-455-7807 * You talk to me as if from a distance * and I reply with impressions chosen from another time, time, time, * from another time (Brian Eno) From james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Thu Dec 1 19:31 PST 1994 X-Sender: ou004859@brandywine.otago.ac.nz From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Re: drummers >On Thu, 1 Dec 1994, Pdr Ekstrand wrote: > >> I don't agree that Ploog is such a bad drummer. He's actually one >> of my favourites. He is (was) a 1/4 of the Church sound with his >> personal and rythmic style. JD may be a technically better drummer >> and he has is own style which don't sound as "Churchy" as Ploog >> to me. I think that Priest=Aura is a good album but I miss Ploog's >> drum style to make it a "real" church album and the new album is >> definatly something else. >> >> It is real stupid to rate music on technical merit. > >I couldn't agree more! Ploog's drumming is great, no matter how >"technical" he may or may not be. He has his own style which is far more >important than anything when it comes to a drummer. Has anyone, ever, said they don't like the Beatles because of Ringo's (lack of) drum expertise? No - he wasn't a great player, but was an integral part of the sound. I understand exactly what you both mean. James Musical recommendation for the day: The Muttonbirds (The Muttonbirds) (you've never heard of them? NZ's finest, now on tour in Canada & the northern US... go see 'em!) James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago. Ya jivu v' 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand pixelphone james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz steam megaphone NZ 03-455-7807 * You talk to me as if from a distance * and I reply with impressions chosen from another time, time, time, * from another time (Brian Eno) From james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Thu Dec 1 19:45 PST 1994 X-Sender: ou004859@brandywine.otago.ac.nz From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Re: The Triffids (longish) Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM From: 4MIJARES_J@spcvxa.spc.edu >Alright, finally someone mentions a band I've been curious about for some >time, but have been too lazy to enquire about: The Triffids. I happen to own >the "Trick of the Light" E.P. and enjoy that particular track. I've been told >that that the rest of songs on "Calenture" are not really in the same >commercial vein as the song "Trick..." and that the album overrall kicks! I'm >curious if you or anybody else can give a small critique of this record >because I've seen it in a record store and I might just pick it up. It's also >out of print here in the States which is another reason I'm thinking of >picking it up. I heartily recom... already have recommended... this album. The Triffids most "produced" album, but that's not a bad thing - it's also possibly their best (with the possible exception of Born Sandy Devotional). The rawness is still there to make the bitter edge on David McComb's words knife-like. Tracks: 1. Bury Me Deep in Love; 2. Kelly's Blues; 3. Trick of the Light; 4. Hometown Farewell Kiss; 5. Unmade Love; 6. Open for You; 7. Holy Water; 8. Blinder by the Hour; 9. Vagabond Blues; 10. Jerdacuttup Man; 11. Calenture; 12. Save What You Can There are a couple of lush commercial tracks like "Trick of the Light", notably the other single (and opening track) "Bury Me Deep in Love" and the last track "Save What You Can". Of the remainder, there is a gentle air of sadness to Open for You and Jerdacuttup Man (is this the only song ever about a prehistoric bog person?). Kelly's Blues, Unmade Love and Vagabond Blues are also melancholy, but more bitter. Calenture is a short quiet instrumental. Hometown Farewell Kiss (which I think has also been released under the name "One Soul Less on your Fiery List") is - if you'll pardon the pun - a slow burner, one with power. Holy Water rocks out in a way that vaguely reminds me of one of my other favourite Aussie singer (I like Aussie music) Chris Bailey. Blinder by the Hour moves me to tears. I always think of this album as being Australia's answer to Echo & the Bunnymen around the time of The Killing Moon (just a personal opinion, probably shows how warped my mind is...). Its a wistful, melancholy album, with some good rocking out on some tracks, great lyrics that carry a punch, and if you listen to it and aren't haunted by any one of the tracks for the rest of the day, then there must be something wrong with your hearing ;-) "To love you is to live beyond my means The ghost of our love stalks me nightly in my dreams Dreams of Unmade Love..." (McComb) James PS: welcome back, John B-O'S! Musical recommendation for the day: The Muttonbirds (The Muttonbirds). NZ's finest, now on tour in the US and Canada... go see! James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago. Ya jivu v' 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand pixelphone james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz steam megaphone NZ 03-455-7807 * You talk to me as if from a distance * and I reply with impressions chosen from another time, time, time, * from another time (Brian Eno) From james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Sun Dec 4 14:52 PST 1994 X-Sender: ou004859@brandywine.otago.ac.nz From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Re: recent videos >Are there any videos made of anything post GAF ?? > >Neil. > >----- End Included Message ----- > >Videos after GAF: >Ripple >Two Places At Once >(am I missing one?) > There's also at least one video from a Churchite solo... "She's King", by MWP James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago. Ya jivu v' 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand pixelphone james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz steam megaphone NZ 03-455-7807 * You talk to me as if from a distance * and I reply with impressions chosen from another time, time, time, * from another time (Brian Eno) From james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Wed Dec 7 18:42 PST 1994 X-Sender: ou004859@brandywine.otago.ac.nz From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Re: Best solos... and the starving Hindsight purchaser. Hey! I didn't know you were calling in votes for this one TOO, yet already like! Here's a rough & ready list off the top of my head: Steviebabes:Best Album: Unearthed Honorable Mentions: Tyrant (whattabass!!!); Atlantis; Guilty Lemon: from Steve? Never! ;-) *yeah, I know, this is an instrumental version of something whose name eludes me. I didn't have time to check Slow Crack or my very scratchy old tape of Remindlessness for top songs. Martypoos:Best Album: Art Attack, despite some weak stuff in places Best Tracks: Too Round to be Square; Velvet Fuselage Honorable mentions: On the tip of my tongue; The Lantern Lemon: Water I didn't have time to check Spirit Level... Peterkins: don't know any of his solo stuff well enough, sorry... Other side efforts (well, we should vote for these too, eh:->): Best album: Jack Frost Best Tracks: lots of them! pretty near the whole damn tape (which is at home, not here...) If I say that first one and the slower sad one about two tracks from the end, will that make sense to anyone. I've only had a taped copy for about a month (Thanks John!) so I haven't fully tied down tracks to titles yet. as to going without food to get "Hindsight, to quote Shriekback: "The value of anything's how much it hurts" James Musical recommendation for the day: Rattlesnakes (Lloyd Cole & The Commotions) James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago. Ya jivu v' 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand pixelphone james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz steam megaphone NZ 03-455-7807 * You talk to me as if from a distance * and I reply with impressions chosen from another time, time, time, * from another time (Brian Eno) From james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Thu Dec 8 14:46 PST 1994 X-Sender: ou004859@brandywine.otago.ac.nz Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Re: Best solos... and the starving Hindsight purchaser. Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Hey! I didn't know you were calling in votes for this one TOO, yet alrea= dy >like! > *yeah, I know, this is an instrumental version of something whose name > eludes me. I didn't have time to check Slow Crack or my very scratchy ol= d > tape of Remindlessness for top songs. > >isn't it "favourite pack of lies" ? i don't have the cd's handy.. ;-) Daimn. Forgot to check. Think you're right tho. BTW, it's not that I dislike the sung version, it's just I heard the instrumental first, so it "feels right". And the tracks I was trying to remember off Jack Frost were Every Hour God Sends and Ramble. I'd add Thought that I was Over You, as well. J Musical recommendation for the day: The Vegetarians of Love (Bob Geldof) James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago. J'habite 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand pixelphone james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz =AB=BB steam megaphone NZ 03-45= 5-7807 * You talk to me as if from a distance * and I reply with impressions chosen from another time, time, time, * from another time (Brian Eno) From james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Thu Dec 8 18:33 PST 1994 X-Sender: ou004859@brandywine.otago.ac.nz Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Aussie bands, shirts Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, we've had a Triffids list start up, we've had mention of the Go-Betweens, and Loud something or other (sorry, I forget)... must be time to mention the Saints (Cruel Sea? Ripe? Autohaze? Ups & Downs? Hunters and Collectors? Rolf Harris???) ;-) Add another yes vote to the idea of shirts. A goody. I like the idea of having a paisleyish shirt saying that I'm a fan of... er, which band was it now? 8))) JRD James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago. J'habite 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand pixelphone james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz =AB=BB steam megaphone NZ 03-45= 5-7807 * You talk to me as if from a distance * and I reply with impressions chosen from another time, time, time, * from another time (Brian Eno) From james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Sun Dec 11 16:49 PST 1994 X-Sender: ou004859@brandywine.otago.ac.nz Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: shirts Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >I have a professor at school (also a friend of mine) who has made T-shirts = out >of his own artwork with his computer. >He uses a high-end program called Lumena. Essentially, he puts the image in= to >the computer via digital camera, the he can alter it a million different wa= ys. >He can then store that on disk, bring it to a computer image lab, who in tu= rn >can turn that image on the disk into an iron-on transfer, which can then be >put on any T-shirt. Or they will sell T-shirts with it. This sounds like a very good idea. The price will probably be a bit daunting when it'll have to be sent all the way to NZ. I also want to put in my vote for Tshirt over a buttoned job. But hey, I don't mind if I'm outvoted :-) James James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago. J'habite 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand pixelphone james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz =AB=BB steam megaphone NZ 03-45= 5-7807 * You talk to me as if from a distance * and I reply with impressions chosen from another time, time, time, * from another time (Brian Eno) From james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Mon Dec 12 15:34 PST 1994 X-Sender: ou004859@brandywine.otago.ac.nz Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Re: Hello all you people who are selling me Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > I am interested in joining your network of church enthusiasts >write back and inform me of what I must do. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Looks like a thriving little community of church fans up there in Michigan! James PS Welcome to the list! James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago. J'habite 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand pixelphone james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz =AB=BB steam megaphone NZ 03-45= 5-7807 * You talk to me as if from a distance * and I reply with impressions chosen from another time, time, time, * from another time (Brian Eno) From james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Wed Dec 14 18:15 PST 1994 X-Sender: ou004859@brandywine.otago.ac.nz Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A message I got from a friend of mine who works for a Melbourne Radio Statio= n... >> ...have you heard of an "anonymous" album called Fake that's >> been released in Oz? Turns out it's really Steve Kilbey from the Church..= . >No, I can't say that I have. But I can tell you that the new "Jack >Frost" album (to be called "Snow Job") should be out by January 95. >They've recorded 14 songs for it and will release 12 of them. Steve is >currently in Sweden. The sound will be more stripped back (according to >Grant McLennan) There's GWMcL, SK and a drummer whose name I forgot. >Steve Kilbey played a solo gig in Melbourne a month or so ago. He read >out some of his poetry and sang some fo his songs from the Church, his >solo stuff and Jack Frost. Apparantly he forgot some of the words so his >audience prompted him with the missing lyrics. Thought it might be of interest... James James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago. J'habite 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand pixelphone james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz =AB=BB steam megaphone NZ 03-45= 5-7807 * You talk to me as if from a distance * and I reply with impressions chosen from another time, time, time, * from another time (Brian Eno) From james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Thu Dec 15 14:51 PST 1994 X-Sender: ou004859@brandywine.otago.ac.nz Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Welcome to Lily Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Heeeyy, someone else with good taste in Church songs... Welcome to the party! Hope you enjoy it! James James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago. J'habite 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand pixelphone james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz =AB=BB steam megaphone NZ 03-45= 5-7807 * You talk to me as if from a distance * and I reply with impressions chosen from another time, time, time, * from another time (Brian Eno) From james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Sun Dec 18 17:06 PST 1994 X-Sender: ou004859@brandywine.otago.ac.nz Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Re: COLLECTABLES, the Church etc. Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm away for the weekend, and when I get back I find the mail has gone bonkers. Not five messages, not ten... Collectables... the Musk flexi, and Sin g Songs, by the sound of it... also I USED to have, before the tape machine ate it :-((((, a tape of a phone interview I did with Peter Koppes for Otago's student radio station. >> (eve crawling into a hole after her zillionth posting to the list) > >[Dick following Eve into the hole...] Room for one more in there? James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago. J'habite 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand pixelphone james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz =AB=BB steam megaphone NZ 03-45= 5-7807 * You talk to me as if from a distance * and I reply with impressions chosen from another time, time, time, * from another time (Brian Eno) From james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Sun Dec 18 18:52 PST 1994 X-Sender: ou004859@brandywine.otago.ac.nz Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Re: COLLECTABLES, the Church etc. Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =46rom John.Brown-OSullivan@vuw.ac.nz: >James, > >Did you ever get a transcript of the Koppes interview? Did he have much >interesting to say? And when was it? John, 1.No (sigh). And R1 is very lax about keeping records of interviews 2.Not much. He was being very cagey and didn't sound like he wanted to say anything about anything (it was definitely NOT one of the easiest interviews I've ever had to do) 3. Lemmesee... I can remember asking him about wworking with a new drummer, so it must have been about the time J D Daugherty joined them. James PS: Season's greetings, John (and to everyone on the Church list - Morten, Eve, everyone!) James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago. J'habite 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand pixelphone james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz =AB=BB steam megaphone NZ 03-45= 5-7807 * You talk to me as if from a distance * and I reply with impressions chosen from another time, time, time, * from another time (Brian Eno) From james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Wed Dec 28 18:31 PST 1994 X-Sender: ou004859@brandywine.otago.ac.nz From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Church covers Don't know if anyone has ever mentioned it here before, but there are a couple of covers of "Under the Milky Way" by different artists. The first is by an Aussie band called (I think) Ripe, on a compilation of covers of "Australian Classics" called "Used and Recovered By", which (from memory) has a harsher, driving guitar based sound and a pared down melody line. The other is a "dance-mix" style version by New Zealanders the Strawpeople. Just thought I'd mention it... James Musical recommendation for the day: Earth and Sun and Moon (Midnight Oil) James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago. Ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand pixelphone james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz / steam megaphone NZ 03-455-7807 * You talk to me as if from a distance * and I reply with impressions chosen from another time, time, time, * from another time (Brian Eno) From james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Mon Jan 9 18:35 PST 1995 X-Sender: ou004859@brandywine.otago.ac.nz From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Re: Church rips off Boston? (the blue oyster cult?!?) Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM >I've noticed that too, but even more weird is that if you listen to Blue >Oyster Cult's "Don't Fear the Reaper" a lot of it sounds like Kilbey & >Co. could have written it... when did that thing come out anyway? The >only time I ever hear it is on classic rock stations. So who's ripping >off who here? Believe it or not, way back in about 1974! I'm sure that they are a fairly major influence of the Church's musical style (and mine!) James James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago. Ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand pixelphone james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz / steam megaphone NZ 03-455-7807 * You talk to me as if from a distance * and I reply with impressions chosen from another time, time, time, * from another time (Brian Eno) From james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Wed Jan 11 18:52 PST 1995 X-Sender: ou004859@brandywine.otago.ac.nz From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Re: Traveling Tunes Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM >> I'm usually not so good at >> getting meaning out of whole songs or albums, I usually find things >> relevant to my life in simple phrases or lines and leave it at that. And >> not that any interpretations would be WRONG, of course. ;) >> >> nicole > >To me this is a curious statement. Can interpretations be wrong? I'm > >I guess I consider my self an sort of anti-relatavist. I understand that >this is very unpopular these days. That doesn't necessarily mean I'm a >dogmatic bastard that will insist that everyone accept my opinions on the >intended meanings of SK or anyone else. I'm sure (though I don't have >specific references) that SK would encourage listeners to take what they >can from songs. I think that is a great idea. I guess I'm also caught >up in the original intent of a piece. What is the artist trying to say >to me about himself/herself, about the way that he or she sees the >world? That message is important. Although, I agree that the thought Interesting. As a (mediocre) songwriter myself, of often (dare I say Church-like) oblique lyrics, I've occasionally had people coming up to me and saying "When you wrote X, were you talking about Z?". Not only do they look surprised when I say no, but I am often quite surprised by the interpretations. But I am also impressed. Music is an international language, but it's a very imprecise one. Music that evokes one feeling or "picture" in one person will evoke a completely different one in another. Couple this with ambiguous lyrics and you're bound to get reinterpretation. Some artists deliberately aim at writing lyrics that can be interpreted in ways other than those originally intended (Brian Eno, for instance, once said that he wrote songs that sound as though they should mean something, but don't). I am often flattered when I find that people have been trying to interpret my songs - what they have interpreted them to mean often tells as much about them as about me - like the old "Rorschach inkblotch test" As an act of blatant self promotion ;-) check out my sig for this letter James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago. Ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand pixelphone james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz / steam megaphone NZ 03-455-7807 Out on a limb, waiting for the angels to drag me in Eye to the sky, trying to keep my mind from original sin But you and I know that your depraved innocence will keep me in tow You and I know that I'll go wherever you go... (Time after Time, by James Dignan and the Beaker People. A simple lust song, but oh - the reinterpretations!) From james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Wed Jan 11 19:25 PST 1995 X-Sender: ou004859@brandywine.otago.ac.nz From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Re: Traveling Tunes, Music You might like... >>Overall, Starfish and Heyday make the best tapes to listen to if you have a >long >drive ahead! > >I agree....I've always considered Starfish to be the ultimate road trip >album, because so many of the songs have a travel them to them: Destination, >NSE&W, Hotel Womb..... heck, even Lost. ; ) Strange... The Blurred Crusade is my favourite Church Driving Albums... I'll have to try Starfish. Musical recommendation for the day: Anyone who has drifted into listening to GW McLennan through Jack Frost might also like to try NZer Dave Dobbyn's music, particularly the albums "Lament for the Numb" and "Twist" (Dobbyn produced Fireboy, and co-wrote some of the tracks) James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago. Ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand pixelphone james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz / steam megaphone NZ 03-455-7807 * You talk to me as if from a distance * and I reply with impressions chosen from another time, time, time, * from another time (Brian Eno) From james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Fri Jan 13 20:45 PST 1995 X-Sender: ou004859@brandywine.otago.ac.nz From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Re: mystery From Peter James Rasmussen: >BTW- mentioning pre-Pepper Beatles reminded me of Revolver. Does anyone >else out there think that the album was slighted by the hoopla over >Pepper? I think that the Lennon tracks on there are some of the best >music I've ever heard (esp. Tomorrow never knows). Tomorrow never knows was the song everyone loved to hate. Too trippy and ten (fifty?) years ahead of its time. It's also a song that lots of people do covers of (Phil Collins, 801, The Mission, Danielle Dax, The Brainchilds), and is one of my favourite Beatles tracks. I recently heard it stated that it was the single most seminal track for the ambient/trance/rave music scene... I think if Revolver got slated at all it was because it was a sidestep amongst the Beatles' changes of direction and was a fairly stark album to come between the relative lushness of Rubber Soul & Sgt. Pepper. From Richard W. Powell >Rhonda wrote: >> I picked up G. McClennan's (sp?) Fireboy and noticed in the >> liner notes that both Mae Moore and Karin provide backing vocals. >What do you think of it? Is it similar to the Jack Frost release? If you wan't MY opinion - and even if you don't here it is :) - Fireboy is indeed quite a bit like Jack Frost, reminiscent in particular of tracks like Every Hour God Sends, and has some great tracks (e.g., Bathe in the Water). His previous solo album Watershed is also pretty good, but more like his work with the GoBetweens. James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago. Ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand pixelphone james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz / steam megaphone NZ 03-455-7807 * You talk to me as if from a distance * and I reply with impressions chosen from another time, time, time, * from another time (Brian Eno) From james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Tue Jan 17 15:12 PST 1995 X-Sender: ou004859@brandywine.otago.ac.nz From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Re: T-shirts Got this note from Eve Emshoff just before she took off for a couple of weeks in Arizona (would have dealt with it sooner, but a backlog of work and a quick hospital visit slowed me down a bit). >I just spoke with a friend today (9th), who is a Graphic Designer. He's not on >the Church list, but is entirely willing to help create Church T-shirts >and make what is so far an idea only a possible reality. > >He has access to Macintosh computer, contacts, etc. He also knows a lot >about the needed software. > >I can produce shirts with a design on it for about $25 US. Do you think >people would pay this? > >However, one thing concerns me. I know little about the legality of using >previously published photos. Is there any one on the list closer to the >band and the management that may know how to obtain info, or rights to print? >I know someone (was it Brian Smith on this list? Or Paul Webb?) was >writing SK. Perhaps while I'm gone, you could put some feelers out in >this direction. Don't want to get sued by anyone. > >My friend had one good idea. . .on the back, some how give notification >that we are a Church fan club/mailing list. Perhaps even give the address >on it, putting seance@thechurch.Ebay.Sun.COM beneath. > >Morten had suggested using photographs others had taken at concerts. The >list would need to decide on one or two designs, or possible submit drawn >ideas. > >Also, I would need to know how many people are interested in purchasing a >t-shirt if we do this. This is not a profit making venture. I'm doing >this because 1. I have the means, 2. I love the band and 3. I'd love to >have a t-shirt myself. > >Can you help me out? I can do some of this, but I don't know where to >begin on the legalities, co-ordination of the list, etc. of this. I don't >know the necessary people on the list to talk to. . . > >Even if you could direct me to the proper people would help. Although >this really is not my forte, and am wondering if there is anyone else who >could handle this better (someone in the music biz perhaps? surely we >have members on the list with connections. . .or in business maybe?) > >I don't see this materializing fully until March, anyway. Thought maybe >some things could be ironed out, however. Would you yourself be >interested in purchasing a Church t-shirt, designed and voted on by the >list members? > >Well, let me know. I think this could be worked out, if there's the >interest. And judging from earlier responses, I think there may be that >interest out there. Church fans ARE rabid, you know. :) > >Eve Well, are you all rabid enough??? If you're interested, or can help, speak up! James James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago. Ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand pixelphone james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz / steam megaphone NZ 03-455-7807 * You talk to me as if from a distance * and I reply with impressions chosen from another time, time, time, * from another time (Brian Eno) From james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Wed Jan 18 13:51 PST 1995 X-Sender: ou004859@brandywine.otago.ac.nz From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Re: T-shirts To Miuchael, Brian, Neil, Peter anbd anyone else who sends positive comments/ideas about t-shirts, I'm just gonna hang onto your mailings till Eve gets back at the end of the month. There's not much I can do about them from down here at the end of the world :) Good to hear there's interest in the idea, tho. James Today's recommended music(an oldie but a goodie): Stuck in the Middle - the best of Stealer's Wheel James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago. Ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand pixelphone james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz / steam megaphone NZ 03-455-7807 * You talk to me as if from a distance * and I reply with impressions chosen from another time, time, time, * from another time (Brian Eno) From james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Mon Jan 23 14:20 PST 1995 X-Sender: ou004859@brandywine.otago.ac.nz From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Worst songs >Maybe we should really prise the top off and have a short vote for WORST >Church song ???? Well the only Church track I regularly shuttle past is the "The Disillusionist", even though otherwise I (gasp!) really like the P=A album (Kings would be one of my favourite Church tracks). I also (double gasp) like Maybe These Boys... even if it is a bit too much like Icehouse for my tastes. Musical Recommendation for the Day: Human Frailty (Hunters & Collectors) James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago. Ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand pixelphone james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz / steam megaphone NZ 03-455-7807 * You talk to me as if from a distance * and I reply with impressions chosen from another time, time, time, * from another time (Brian Eno) From james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Mon Jan 23 19:06 PST 1995 X-Sender: ou004859@brandywine.otago.ac.nz From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Re: Worst songs Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM >James Dignan wrote: >>Well the only Church track I regularly shuttle past is the "The >>Disillusionist", even though otherwise I (gasp!) really like the P=A album >>(Kings would be one of my favourite Church tracks). > >"The Disillusionist" is one of my favorites off P=A! Well I guess this was >bound to happen. By the way, my alltime favorite album is Straitjacket Fits >_Hail_. From your neck of the woods, I believe. Ah well, everyone to their own tastes :) "Hail" tho, that's a good album (especially on CD, with the four tracks from the awesome Life in One Chord ep). As for them being local - the band I was in several years ago shared practice rooms with a band called the Orange - lead singer Andrew Brough. So yep, they're local! Unfortunately SJF split up last year, but Shayne Carter has a new band (Dimmer) which should have its first release out sometime soon... James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago. Ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand pixelphone james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz / steam megaphone NZ 03-455-7807 * You talk to me as if from a distance * and I reply with impressions chosen from another time, time, time, * from another time (Brian Eno) From james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Wed Jan 25 13:35 PST 1995 X-Sender: ou004859@brandywine.otago.ac.nz From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Re: Parodies Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM >Has anyone written a parody of any Church songs ? I once did Metropolis >(which I can't find or remember anymore) and in the last few days this has >been running through my mind > >"Cut in Two - That's the kind of shit I'm shovelling." I posted one based on Unguarded Moment here a while ago (OK, I'll 'fess up - I wrote it!) about gardening, which started with the line "So hard.... fighting vegetation". If I can find what I did with the lyrics, I'll send them on. BTW, these parody songs ("Filks") have an alt. newsgroup somewhere (possibly alt.music.filk? Not sure) if anyone's insane enough to be interested. James James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago. Ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand pixelphone james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz / steam megaphone NZ 03-455-7807 * You talk to me as if from a distance * and I reply with impressions chosen from another time, time, time, * from another time (Brian Eno) From james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Wed Jan 25 13:55 PST 1995 X-Sender: ou004859@brandywine.otago.ac.nz From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Songs filed in a dark cupboard Cc: mbromley@dme.nt.gov.au From: mbromley@dme.nt.gov.au (Michael Bromley 61-89-895442) To: >Now i'm going to stick me neck right out on this one. I *will* compile a list >of votes for the worst songs. Send me the three worst you have. Leave it at >the Church only. No solo stuff. Send them in some sort of order ie 1,2,3 and i >will assign 3 votes for worst, 2 for second worst and 1 for third... If no >order all will get 1 vote. Could anybody who has already sent them to seance >also send them to me directly. Okay folks, here goes: my votes for ugliest pup, er, worst song... 1. The Disillusionist... someone said something like beerhouse shouting or something, I couldn't agree more. 2. You're Still Beautiful... a bit too *obvious* if you know what I mean. Plodding musically, too. 3. (after some deliberation) Dream... the sum is so much less than the parts. Great lyrics, good instruments, but it always sounds as though the singer was in a different key to the instruments. Redo it with a new melody line, guys! (Dis)honourable mention: the "Great song, but where's the production" award to the muddy mess that surrounds the otherwise good "You Got Off Light". other notes: - Russian Autumn Heart has got a lot of flak, probably from people who dislike/are unused to MWP's solo albums (where it would sound more at home). It just doesn't sound "Church-y" enough. The same is true with Spark. - I understand what you mean about Trance Ending. Cranked it WAY up, and the "aaaah" bridge pieces started sending ripples :) down my spine in the same way as Simon & Garfunkel's The Only Living Boy in New York. A real hidden gem. - Who is the baby crrying in "Afterlife"? - Maybe These Boys... well, it just fitted in with the Aussie music scene at the time. Compare Icehouse's "Dedicated to Glam", and you'll see what I mean. Could it have been a deliberate pisstake on the Icehouse sound? They were Oz's biggest group of the time... (just seen Graham Stone's note... seems I was right!). A fun song though - I quite like it! - everytime I hear the intro to In a Heartbeat, I want to sing "I-i-i-i-i'm not your stepping stone!" Thanks for suggesting the three worst poll - it made me listen to my least liked/listened to Church albums, and I discovered forgotten gems: City; Laughing; Frozen and Distant; Nose Dive; A New Season (yes, I KNOW it's by PK, but it's still a beauty!) James James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago. Ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand pixelphone james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz / steam megaphone NZ 03-455-7807 * You talk to me as if from a distance * and I reply with impressions chosen from another time, time, time, * from another time (Brian Eno) From james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Wed Jan 25 14:00 PST 1995 X-Sender: ou004859@brandywine.otago.ac.nz From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Re: Parodies Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM So hard, fighting vegetation I knew you'd find me scything Tell those girls with onions to plant That their chives don't make me laugh They only make me feel like crying, in an ungardened moment... ;-) J. James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago. Ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand pixelphone james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz / steam megaphone NZ 03-455-7807 * You talk to me as if from a distance * and I reply with impressions chosen from another time, time, time, * from another time (Brian Eno) From james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Wed Jan 25 19:30 PST 1995 X-Sender: ou004859@brandywine.otago.ac.nz From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Re: Songs filed in a dark cupboard Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM >On Thu, 26 Jan 1995, James Dignan wrote: >> 3. (after some deliberation) Dream... the sum is so much less than the > >I know this is unbecoming of a Church fanatic like myself, but WHAT is >this song? I'm having the hardest time placing it! It must be so obvious, >but I just can't remember.... (blasphemy! i know) > >nicole Oops... don't tell me I got the title wrong... It's off A Quick Smoke at Spot's, about track 10 I think. I'm going to have to look that up when I get home... James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago. Ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand pixelphone james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz / steam megaphone NZ 03-455-7807 * You talk to me as if from a distance * and I reply with impressions chosen from another time, time, time, * from another time (Brian Eno) From james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Sat Jan 28 23:14 PST 1995 X-Sender: ou004859@brandywine.otago.ac.nz From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Re: Final Count Hi y'all! The day after reading the worst song tally, I saw a delivery van for a local printing and engraving firm called "G.A.F. Dies".... perhaps they'd read the results of our survey, too ;-)) James For today's listening pleasure, try: Wrong Way Up (Brian Eno & John Cale) James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago. Ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand pixelphone james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz / steam megaphone NZ 03-455-7807 * You talk to me as if from a distance * and I reply with impressions chosen from another time, time, time, * from another time (Brian Eno) From james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Tue Jan 31 14:13 PST 1995 X-Sender: ou004859@brandywine.otago.ac.nz From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Re: Sacramento Show = Great! Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM >Aaaaaaaaarrrrgghhh! >Oh, the pain! The jealousy! >Every time I hear an account of a Church show, I have to grope around >longer to find my jaw. Curse this East Coast! Grrrrrrrrrrrrr! >Any and all help/words of wisdom will be greatly liked by me. How about: you think YOU'VE got problems? Dunedin doesn't get many international tours, even by big acts well supported by public and record company alike... How often do the Church come here? I could count that on the fingers of one foot >:( Sooner or later they're bound to get to Boston, or Baltimore, or Ft Lauderdale or... well, wherever you are... Just sit dwn quietly, take the little blue tablets and listen to Blurred Crusade for a while - you'll feel a lot better :)) James James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago. Ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand pixelphone james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz / steam megaphone NZ 03-455-7807 * You talk to me as if from a distance * and I reply with impressions chosen from another time, time, time, * from another time (Brian Eno) From james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Tue Feb 7 18:05 PST 1995 X-Sender: ou004859@brandywine.otago.ac.nz From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Chords Cc: William Smith Phew! What's been started here? I'm now doing this sort of chord structure thing on two different lists, and I'll have a go at some tracks (just basic chords mind) when I get a bit of time. I have performed Disappear in public once (didn't go very well, unlike No Explanation, which can be great and is very simple), so I'll try to work out what you mean, William, about the bit with the finger lifted off. I think I know where and what you mean, but I haven't got a guitar with me at work at the moment :) or should that be :(? james. James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago. Ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand pixelphone james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz / steam megaphone NZ 03-455-7807 * You talk to me as if from a distance * and I reply with impressions chosen from another time, time, time, * from another time (Brian Eno) From james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Tue Feb 7 18:20 PST 1995 X-Sender: ou004859@brandywine.otago.ac.nz From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Re: my little problem >Bill Smith writes: >> Does anyone know what Steve Kilbey's little problem is >in the song "My Little Problem"??? > >Hmmm. This has been the subject of some debate. In my opinion (and some >others as well), if you listen closely to the lyrics, it sounds like the >little problem could either be depression or addiction or possibly both, You sure it's not record company executives? :) James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago. Ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand pixelphone james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz / steam megaphone NZ 03-455-7807 * You talk to me as if from a distance * and I reply with impressions chosen from another time, time, time, * from another time (Brian Eno) From james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Wed Feb 8 14:54 PST 1995 X-Sender: ou004859@brandywine.otago.ac.nz From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: More chords: A Different Man, Disappear? So I sat down last night with a guitar and a load of plastic... A Different Man D D/C# GMaj7/B G * *on this intro and the chorus, the lead guitar just alternates between D and G, but I think there's also rhythm (or just a "feel", using the bass somehow, of a progression through D, Asus, Bm and G. See the Tab (!) below. A G Inside himself, He runs to look in the mirror A G And the face that stares right back Has never been any clearer A Bm C But look at the doubt in his eyes He's not the one to blame D D/C# GMaj7/B It was a different man, no he's never been here G D You can be so close, you can be so near D/C# GMaj7/B It was a different man, playing different cards G D (overlaps start of verse) You can be so soft, you can be so hard A G Inside himself, He follows the wrong directions A G Perfect English words all right But with the wrong inflections A Bm C But look at the dust at his feet He's not the one she loves D D/C# GMaj7/B It was a different man, no he's never been found G D You can be so up, you can be so down D/C# GMaj7/B It was a different man, no he's never been there G D You can be halfway, you can be all there (repeat first chorus) Instrumental bit D D/C# G/B G G Em C D Em F G G G/F# CMaj7/E C (NB:this last line is simply the intro transposed one key flat around the chord cycle. I'm not sure of the Em in the second line, but I can't think what else it might be) A G Inside himself, He thinks that he looks the same A G And the mind that thinks it all out Never noticed any change A Bm C But look at the doubt in his eyes He's not the one to blame Choruses (1st, then 2nd, then 1st as you fade...) And here's the guitar tab for the intro etc... |-----3-2-|-0---3-2-|-----3-2-|-3-333320---| |-3-3-----|--3-3----|-3-3-----|---------3--| |--2-2-2--|---2--2--|--2-2-2--|------------| |---------|---------|---------|------------| |---------|---------|---------|------------| |---------|---------|---------|------------| --- >I don't play guitar very well, but most of The Church's songs are pretty >simple. >I was trying to figure out how to play "Disappear" from Seance. As far as I >can tell the introduction to the song is A with the third finger lifting >alternately, and D with the third finger lifting alternately. Has anyone >written this song's chords down? Pretty much right. It sounds as if the high (1st) E string isn't touched at all, and the finger comes on and off the second fret of the B string. So it isn't really a D - it's a DMaj7 (they like major sevenths, these Church bods...). So you alternate between 00222X and 00220X, and then between 00022X and 00020X. Disappear? A DMaj7 several times... A DMaj7 Like a womb, the night was all around A Someone, somewhere must have talked some sense DMaj7 I could feel it moving underground G Esus4 E So many things I still don't understand A DMaj7 The dream I was having took on an ugly face A I don't know if I was walking through heaven DMaj7 It could have been any place G Esus4 E Skipping 'cross the water, wading through the sand F#m A Awake to find you gone, emptiness is where you lay F#m E I just had to smile for all the things you'll never hear me say C G Oh, I know, I could never get that near DMaj7 A What do you expect me to do, disappear? G, G G C Em D G You and me, we're as free as we can be C Em D Am Can't you see, like the trees so obviously... A DMaj7 A DMaj7 etc etc etc A DMaj7 The message disturbs me so I throw it to the wind A And after all the hellos goodbyes etc etc DMaj7 We can't start this thing again G Esus4 E It's like the fog you walk towards, but never seem to reach A DMaj7 Every morning now I hear that same old song A DMaj7 And though the singer is long dead, his voice goes on and on G Esus4 E Ugliness you have to learn, but beauty you can't teach F#m A Awake to find you gone, a note pinned to my sleeve F#m It wasn't just the things you took E It was the things you had to leave C G Now it seems you were never here DMaj7 A What do you expect me to do, disappear? G, G G C Em D G You and me, we're as free as we can be C Em D Am Can't you see, like the trees so obviously... A DMaj7 A DMaj7 G Esus4 E A DMaj7 A DMaj7 G Esus4 E A DMaj7 A DMaj7 G Esus4 E repeat and fade, with the lead guitar slowly approaching the intro to Metropolis :) James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago. Ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand pixelphone james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz / steam megaphone NZ 03-455-7807 * You talk to me as if from a distance * and I reply with impressions chosen from another time, time, time, * from another time (Brian Eno) From james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Wed Feb 8 14:55 PST 1995 X-Sender: ou004859@brandywine.otago.ac.nz From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Thanks for the Bel-Air chords, Kirk: Though not quite my favourite song by the Church, it contains (for me, anyway) their most memorable couplet: "And somewhere far away there's another day, and someone's getting out of bed. She puts on her face in the morning space. She doesn't know she's dead..." Always sends a shiver down my spine, that one. Good internal rhyme scheme, too. Hmmn. Now there's a possible thread (oh god no... more mail!). What are all of you lot's favourite lines/couplets by the Church??? BTW, Also thanks to Scott and the others who have been sending stuff. Kirk? Scott? is there a Spock out there somewhere? :)) J Today's musical recommendation: Acadie (Daniel Lanois) James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago. Ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand pixelphone james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz / steam megaphone NZ 03-455-7807 * You talk to me as if from a distance * and I reply with impressions chosen from another time, time, time, * from another time (Brian Eno) From james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Wed Feb 8 19:38 PST 1995 X-Sender: ou004859@brandywine.otago.ac.nz From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Can someone email me to let me know whether the chords I sent for A Different Man and disappear made it to the list OK... I'd hate to delete all that hard work, or repost such a long message... Better Cc the list as well, so I don't get flooded with 150 "yes it arrived"s :) Ta, J. James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago. Ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand pixelphone james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz / steam megaphone NZ 03-455-7807 * You talk to me as if from a distance * and I reply with impressions chosen from another time, time, time, * from another time (Brian Eno) From james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Wed Feb 8 19:40 PST 1995 X-Sender: ou004859@brandywine.otago.ac.nz From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Re: correction on Metropolis tab... Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM >oops, slight error.. the tab should read: >e|--2/3-3-3-2-----------3------------------ >B|------------3------3--------------------- >G|--------------2--2----------------------- >D|----------------------------------------- >A|----------------------------------------- >E|----------------------------------------- I think that last 3 might be a 5, as well. Cheers, J James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago. Ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand pixelphone james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz / steam megaphone NZ 03-455-7807 * You talk to me as if from a distance * and I reply with impressions chosen from another time, time, time, * from another time (Brian Eno) From james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Wed Feb 8 19:54 PST 1995 X-Sender: ou004859@brandywine.otago.ac.nz From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Re: Operation Emailed Chords? Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM >100% Success > >brom great. I get worried about the bounce messages sometimes. Ever notice that sometimes it says "transient failure"? At least it wasnt a "Disappear? failure" :) J. James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago. Ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand pixelphone james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz / steam megaphone NZ 03-455-7807 * You talk to me as if from a distance * and I reply with impressions chosen from another time, time, time, * from another time (Brian Eno) From james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Fri Feb 10 16:48 PST 1995 X-Sender: ou004859@brandywine.otago.ac.nz From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Re: Desert Island Discs >I'm not sure if this was done in the past, but I'm slightly curious as to what >particular CD's all you guys and gals would prefer to have with you in case >you got stranded on a island or something? Here's my list: > >[no particular order BTW] Aaaarggghhh.... um... Seance (Church) Perspex Island (Robyn Hitchcock) Don't Try This At Home (Billy Bragg) Paris 1919 (John Cale) Acadie (Daniel Lanois) English Settlement (XTC) The Muttonbirds (The Muttonbirds) Human Frailty (Hunters & Collectors) Wrong Way Up (Brian Eno & John Cale) Rubber Soul (Beatles) That's a top ten, but how could I miss out: Who's Next; Before and After Over Troubled Water; Calenture; Songs to Learn and Sing; The Who by Numbers; Daddy's Highway; Highway 61 Revisited; Emergency Third Rail Power Trip; Hard day's Night; Blurred Crusade; Doppelganger; or even Floodlands? Or any of the ones I recommend to others? J. James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago. Ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand pixelphone james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz / steam megaphone NZ 03-455-7807 * You talk to me as if from a distance * and I reply with impressions chosen from another time, time, time, * from another time (Brian Eno) From james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Fri Feb 10 16:49 PST 1995 X-Sender: ou004859@brandywine.otago.ac.nz From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Re: Desert Island Discs >"Until the End of the World" soundtrack Dammit... forgot that one! James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago. Ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand pixelphone james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz / steam megaphone NZ 03-455-7807 * You talk to me as if from a distance * and I reply with impressions chosen from another time, time, time, * from another time (Brian Eno) From james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Sun Feb 12 18:12 PST 1995 X-Sender: ou004859@brandywine.otago.ac.nz From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Re: Month of Sundays Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM >Sorry, no desert island lists, or favorite couplets here, it's just too >damn hard! What I want to do is thank all the people who have been >posting chords/tabs for the songs, and to put in a request for A Month >of Sundays (actually, just the 2nd chord, after the D, I think I have >the rest, but i just can't seem to get that one!). I posted this to the list not so long ago, and from memory, it's Am7 with an added F#, which is a pretty arcane way of saying: =========== | | | | * | ----------- | | * | | * ----------- | | | | | | (hope that copies OK) Cheers, James. James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago. Ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand pixelphone james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz / steam megaphone NZ 03-455-7807 * You talk to me as if from a distance * and I reply with impressions chosen from another time, time, time, * from another time (Brian Eno) From james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Sun Feb 12 18:14 PST 1995 X-Sender: ou004859@brandywine.otago.ac.nz From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Re: >recognition of the Church in general. But he is amazing, and the recent >acoustic shows have confirmed that for me even further. He may not >be the best in the world, but he's the only guitarist I know of who >uses 12 strings fairly exclusively (OK, well maybe Tom Petty, but hey, >no contest!), so perhaps we can give him the title of "Best 12-string >player"? With Roger McGuinn still around? And George Harrison? Let's just say he'd make the top 3! Sacrilege, I know :) James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago. Ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand pixelphone james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz / steam megaphone NZ 03-455-7807 * You talk to me as if from a distance * and I reply with impressions chosen from another time, time, time, * from another time (Brian Eno) From james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Mon Feb 13 17:04 PST 1995 X-Sender: ou004859@brandywine.otago.ac.nz From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Re: Sharon Stone????? >Dave Rake writes: > >>>I was just listening to track #2 on Somewhere Else, "The Time Being", which >includes the lines "...down comes a rain/hot clear rain/washing away our >sins/washing away the statues of ????" I'd swear Steve was saying "Sharon >Stone"?! I haven't been able to access the lyrics page, so could someone >please help me with this one? Thanks a bunch.<< > > >Finally! Someone else hears this too! I mentioned this a while back on the Add another one who thinks that Ms. Stone is being mentioned... I took it to be some kind of comment on "our sins" = our lusts, juxtaposed with idolisation of someone best known for taking her clothes off in movies. Could be wrong, mind you... James James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago. Ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand pixelphone james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz / steam megaphone NZ 03-455-7807 * You talk to me as if from a distance * and I reply with impressions chosen from another time, time, time, * from another time (Brian Eno) From james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Tue Feb 14 18:27 PST 1995 X-Sender: ou004859@brandywine.otago.ac.nz From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: more chords - easier ones (but oh, the picking!) Here's one that's simple enough for even the most novice of guitarists (Hi Eve!:)) Gsus is played as 330003 Into My Hands G Gsus G G Gsus G I take love into my hands, journey back to winterland G Gsus G G Gsus G Cut my losses, grow my hair, see some man to take me there C G C G As it gets so uncertain, when the girl gets too near C G C G It's never as good as I hoped or as bad as I feared G Gsus G G Gsus G Some seek sleek and slithering charms, out of reach their grasping arms G Gsus G G Gsus G Our skin like milk, our breath of words, like happy, awful and absurd C G C G As it gets so uncertain, when the girl gets too near It's never as good as I hoped or as bad as I feared F C G F C G F C G F C G G Gsus G Gsus G Gsus G Gsus G Gsus G G Gsus G You know it's always out here in my head, stupid bloody things get said G Gsus G G Gsus G Then drifting on a summer pond I notice that my love has gone C G C G As it gets so uncertain, when the girl gets too near It's never as good as I hoped or as bad as I feared F C G F C G F C G F C G G Gsus G G Gsus G I take love into my hands, journey back to winterland G Gsus G Gsus G Gsus G G Gsus G I take love into my hands, journey back to winterland G Gsus G Gsus G Gsus G G Gsus G I take love into my hands, journey back to winterland G Gsus G Gsus For the more proficient :), there are several picking parts, notably the intro/ending, where there are two guitars: |------------------|------------------| |------------------|------------------| |---0---0---0---0--|---0---0---0---0--| |--0---0-0-0---0-0-|--0---0-0-0---0-0-| |-----2---3---2----|-----2---3--------| |-3----------------|-3-----------3----| and |-----0-------3----|-----0------------| |-013--310-13------|-013--310-13------| |------------------|-------------0----| |------------------|------------------| |------------------|------------------| |------------------|------------------| Then the bridge part, (chords F C G) which has a slidey part ( an equals sign here means slide to the second note...Frets are numbered in hexadecimal, so A=10, B=11 etc) |-3=A-9=A-9=A-3-|-3=5-3=5--------| |---------------|---------5=8----| |---------------|----------------| |---------------|----------------| |---------------|----------------| |---------------|----------------| Then back to the G, Gsus pattern for a frightening lead part (done on 12-string, so this is only approximate) |----------03-7----|-CA8A87-ZZZ-3=F---| |-------013---8----|----------------h-| |-----02------9----|----------------h-| |---02-------------|------------------| |-23---------------|------------------| |------------------|------------------| ZZZ is a trill played on the 10th, 8th and 7th frets somehow, possibly with the 2nd and 3rd strings in there too. The slide goes up from the 3rd to the 15th fret, and is followed by 5th fret harmonics on the 2nd and 3rd strings. OK, I admit it MWP is a bloody good 12-string player! Good luck!!! James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago. Ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand pixelphone james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz / steam megaphone NZ 03-455-7807 * You talk to me as if from a distance * and I reply with impressions chosen from another time, time, time, * from another time (Brian Eno) From james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Sun Feb 19 00:24 PST 1995 X-Sender: ou004859@brandywine.otago.ac.nz From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Almost With You video BTW, a friend who's into the occult says that the "ceremony" shown at the beginning of the video (with the pouring out of the cup, etc.) is part of a valid ritual. Are any of the lads interested in the esoteric arts? James James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago. Ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand pixelphone james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz / steam megaphone NZ 03-455-7807 * You talk to me as if from a distance * and I reply with impressions chosen from another time, time, time, * from another time (Brian Eno) From james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Mon Feb 20 19:17 PST 1995 X-Sender: ou004859@brandywine.otago.ac.nz From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: similarity/Golden Dawn Anyone else here notice similarities (scan/lyrical style/etc) between Dead Man's Dream and Kings? Sounds to me like one could easily flow into the other... And yes, I should have remembered The Golden Dawn. An esoteric order vaguely connected with Rosicrucianism originally. Crowley got kicked out for being "too weird" (well, not in exactly those words, perhaps), so he formed his own society. Anyone know of any other esotericism in the Church's work (or what's being whispered in the background of "The Golden Dawn", for that matter!)? James James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago. Ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand pixelphone james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz / steam megaphone NZ 03-455-7807 * You talk to me as if from a distance * and I reply with impressions chosen from another time, time, time, * from another time (Brian Eno) From james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Tue Feb 21 18:16 PST 1995 X-Sender: ou004859@brandywine.otago.ac.nz From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Re: Grand Plan A: t-shirts (fwd) Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM >Folks, > >Remember the plan to do Church (and Church list) T-shirts? The broken angel is a great idea for the front. Not so sure about the massed albums for the back, but my mind's a blank at the moment, so no alternative comes to mind... James James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago. Ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand pixelphone james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz / steam megaphone NZ 03-455-7807 * You talk to me as if from a distance * and I reply with impressions chosen from another time, time, time, * from another time (Brian Eno) From james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Wed Feb 22 18:24 PST 1995 X-Sender: ou004859@brandywine.otago.ac.nz Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Re: T-shirts and our opinions Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >Here's my 0.02 worth: color of shirt - BLACK > front portion - P=3DA cover (2nd place - "Heyday") > Another possibility, if you're having a black shirt, is the Sing-Songs cover= ... Come to think of it, the P=3DA cover is probably less clich=E9d than the "Fallen Angel". > back portion - [...] some quote from one a song tha= t >we > all can agree on. Anyone that can achieve this feat is needed in Bosnia, right now!!! James James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago. Ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand pixelphone james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz / steam megaphone NZ 03-455-780= 7 * You talk to me as if from a distance * and I reply with impressions chosen from another time, time, time, * from another time (Brian Eno) From james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Thu Feb 23 18:27 PST 1995 X-Sender: ou004859@brandywine.otago.ac.nz From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Re: T-Shirts Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM >i don't know...i don't really want the milky way chorus on the shirt, >we have to explore all the possibilities, not just the most recognizable >ones. how about, 'a palm tree nodded at me last night/he said hey you >look so pale.' just kidding. =) Could be worse... try: "So deep, deep without a meaning..." :)) James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago. Ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand pixelphone james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz / steam megaphone NZ 03-455-7807 * You talk to me as if from a distance * and I reply with impressions chosen from another time, time, time, * from another time (Brian Eno) From james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Sun Feb 26 01:21 PST 1995 X-Sender: ou004859@brandywine.otago.ac.nz From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Tshirt couplets... a selection (longish) I've been researching the facts, and clinical tests prove* that 9 out of 10 Church fans will like one of the following possible Church quotes for a T-shirt *sorry - a dreadful TV ad seems to have sneaked in here... For A Moment We're Strangers: In the empty place the soul stripped bare/Of skins and heart and I come apart Memories In Future Tense: The music surreal and you almost could feel/That there's nothing wrong Is This Where You Live: The more I see the less I look; Here's another name I took When You Were Mine: What's real and what's dreamt become close and entwine Just For You: certain ideas have changed through the years/I purchased some tears just to see me through To Be In Your Eyes: I want these words to be the things/I hoped you'd realised /To be in your eyes You Took: It was clear in coming here/I must have put the skin before the heart One Day: One day - doubtless, cloudless, bright/We'll shake away the shadows of eternal night/It's just the storm before the calm/Like the life held in your palm - it's clay, one day One Day: I go back to my blindness so that I may see again/A woman standing on a hill is gazing out to sea/Dreaming of a new age waiting there for me/I call her from a distance and she smiles into the sun/And men and gods begin their dance, for their time has begun It Doesn't Change: Close to you, hear all you say/Even though you're continents away A Month Of Sundays: Just like the winter your memory thaws/Just like the ocean your memory pours Already Yesterday: It's already yesterday, we're off the calendar Under the Milky Way: Wish I knew what you were looking for/Might have known what you would find Grind: Long distance century buzzes and fades/An automatic charge on your mind/The glittering minutes, jangled decades/We've got to grind, grind it out Grind: Long distance century buzzes and fades/Elysian Fields not far behind /Find me a witness amongst these shades/They've got to grind, grind it out Perfect Child: From a time when sorrow was set free/From a land of doubt and misery/From a suburb listed locally/When the sun was blotted out of the sky/When the wind will refuse to die/There was only you and I Aura: But a part of me will never be free/And the part that's free will never be me Ripple: Buckle like a wreck on the cold green sea/Like you were a ripple in my memory Kings: In deserts where the dust storm blows/And lush black swamps where mandrake grows/We're marching laughing to the drum/Waiting for those kings to come Kings: The circus sun in Nero's eyes/The lions and the christians rise/Software sings and hardware hears/We're destined babe to live these years The Maven: We'll send a sign to you over the sea Two Places At Once: I've been waiting, seems like eternity; I've been waiting, waiting for you/I'm still waiting, if you remember me; I'll be waiting, waiting for you James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago. Ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand pixelphone james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz / steam megaphone NZ 03-455-7807 * You talk to me as if from a distance * and I reply with impressions chosen from another time, time, time, * from another time (Brian Eno) From james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Sun Feb 26 01:27 PST 1995 X-Sender: ou004859@brandywine.otago.ac.nz From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Re: Guitar Tabs Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM >hey everyone... >for a couple of weeks there, we had a great guitar tab thing going... >but, don't stop now! >keep 'em coming! >to everyone that posted tabs: thank you immensely... it's a great pleasure >being able to strum along to my favorite church tunes now... >some requests I have for any of you out there that may have figured out their >tabs: Feel, the Feast, You Took (wishful thinking on this one!), To be in your >eyes, Just for You, already yesterday, and/or antenna would be greatly >appreciated.. Well, I was actually listening to Blurred Crusade today thinking "perhaps I can do some tab for this", but it was so damn hot (hi to everyone in the US under ten feet of snow!) that I didn't get my A into G. Sometime this week maybe. But probably not the long one with that damned smartass bassist doing harmonics ;) James. James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago. Ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand pixelphone james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz / steam megaphone NZ 03-455-7807 * You talk to me as if from a distance * and I reply with impressions chosen from another time, time, time, * from another time (Brian Eno) From james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Sun Feb 26 17:20 PST 1995 X-Sender: ou004859@brandywine.otago.ac.nz From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: some chords... just for you... From: jtehran@husc.harvard.edu (John Tehranian) >hey everyone...for a couple of weeks there, we had a great guitar tab thing >going... but, don't stop now! keep 'em coming! >to everyone that posted tabs: thank you immensely... it's a great pleasure >being able to strum along to my favorite church tunes now... some requests I >have for any of you out there that may have figured out their tabs: Feel, the >Feast, You Took (wishful thinking on this one!), To be in your eyes, Just for >You, already yesterday, and/or antenna would be greatly appreciated.. thanks, john Okay... just for you, here's Just For You! (well, it's for all you guitarists really, but it sounded like a good intro!) Just For You (see notes at bottom) D* G* A7sus4* D* G* A7sus4* D* G* A7sus4* Sometimes when the darkness loses its hold D* G* A7sus4* I tread politely in the cold G A G A Racking my brains, Pumping my veins G A D* And taking the evening train from view C G D* C G D But you know I never wanted to, Ah, you know I did it just for you D* G* A7sus4* And it's so easy to hurt me now D* G* A7sus4* And you've forgotten anyhow G A G A That certain ideas, Have changed through the years G A D* I purchased some tears just to see me through C G D* C G D But you know I never wanted to, Ah, you know I did it just for you A A/Eb Em G A A/Eb Em G A A/Eb Em G A A/Eb Em F G A (play these as barre chords) F G E F G A D* G* A7sus4* D* G* A7sus4* D* G* A7sus4* One day I noticed the world at my feet D* G* A7sus4* Next day comes and it rolls into your street G A G A Gathering speed, Paying no heed G A D* That made me bleed until I was blue C G D* C G D But you know I never wanted to, Ah, you know I did it just for you C G D* C G D But you know I never wanted to, Ah, you know I did it just for you D* G* A7sus4* D* G* A7sus4* D* G* A7sus4* D* G* A7sus4* D* G* A7sus4* D* G* A7sus4* D* G* A7sus4* Oh..........just for you (repeat and fade) NOW... some of the chords are marked thus*. That means there are two different chords being alternated between quickly (listen to the track for where the changes are): D* is between D x00232 and Dsus4 x00233 (sometimes D+2 x00230 is thrown in too!) G* is between G 320033 and G6 320030 A7sus4* is between A7sus4 002033 and a different A7sus4 002030, and sometimes good ol' A7 002020 A/Eb is played x01220 (and sounds pretty horrible! The Church play it with Steve hitting an Eb on the bass as Marty (?) plays an A) Two guitars share lead duty in the instrumental (A A/Eb etc) bridge |----0----|----0----|----0----|----0-------------| |-202-320-|-202-320-|-202-320-|-202-3232-10-0----| at the asterisk, |---------|---------|---------|---------2--2-202-| lead changes from |---------|---------|---------|------------------| one guitar to |---------|---------|---------|------------------| the other guitar... |---------|---------|---------|-------*----------| |-0----00-4444-|-5-787-55-| |--313---------|----------| over this last "5", the other guitarist |--------------|----------| is doing a trill on the same (top E) string |--------------|----------| between the 12th and 15th frets... |--------------|----------| |--------------|----------| James James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago. Ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand pixelphone james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz / steam megaphone NZ 03-455-7807 * You talk to me as if from a distance * and I reply with impressions chosen from another time, time, time, * from another time (Brian Eno) From james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Sun Feb 26 17:20 PST 1995 X-Sender: ou004859@brandywine.otago.ac.nz From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Re: A fire burns BTW - whoever was asking about A Fire Burns (Down the sticky stems) - I can't remember exactly what your mailing was about, so I listened for "a mistake" of some kind around those lyrics. The "brighter" guitar does seem to be cut short here, as though someone 'punched' in or out badly. Was that it? There doesn't seem to be any dropout or anything there... James James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago. Ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand pixelphone james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz / steam megaphone NZ 03-455-7807 * You talk to me as if from a distance * and I reply with impressions chosen from another time, time, time, * from another time (Brian Eno) From james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Sun Feb 26 19:25 PST 1995 X-Sender: ou004859@brandywine.otago.ac.nz From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Re: THE Couplet = ) >Brian Smith writes: > >>It Doesn't Change: >>Close to you, hear all you say/Even though you're continents away > >>This is a DEFINITE reference to e-mail! What a prophet that man is! >>Let's use it. > >OK, well I was gonna stay out of this whole T-shirt business because I like >so many Church lyrics I thought I'd never be able to narrow it down, but I >have to agree with Brian on this one! It is perfect! If not the most >aesthetically pleasing couplet, it certainly alludes to the lovely Seance >e-mail thing we've got going here. = ) In which case a big thank you to the wonderful (and croaky) Eve for first bringing this one to my attention... Do we have a winner here? James. James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago. Ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand pixelphone james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz / steam megaphone NZ 03-455-7807 * You talk to me as if from a distance * and I reply with impressions chosen from another time, time, time, * from another time (Brian Eno) From james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Sun Feb 26 20:09 PST 1995 X-Sender: ou004859@brandywine.otago.ac.nz From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Random P...oem So I was talking to Eve Emshoff, wasn't I, and she says "what if all those lyrics were put together into one piece of 'poetry'", didn't she, and, well... OK Churchspotters - name that tune! "A Month of Autumn Travel by Unguarded Fields of Lash" **************************************************** It's already yesterday, we're off the calendar Doubtless, cloudless, bright, the long distance century buzzes and fades Like the life held in your palm from a time when sorrow was set free When the sun was blotted out of the sky We shake away the shadows of eternal night in deserts where the dust storm blows Elysian Fields - not far behind, lush black swamps where mandrake grows We're marching laughing to the drum The music surreal and you almost could feel that there's nothing wrong And men and gods begin their dance, for their time has begun Software sings and hardware hears the glittering minutes, jangled decades In the empty place the soul stripped bare. The more I see the less I look What's real and what's dreamt become close and entwine I go back to my blindness so that I may see again Just like the winter your memory thaws Just like the ocean your memory pours Close to you, hear all you say Even though you're continents away Wish I knew what you were looking for But a part of me will never be free And the part that's free will never be me I want these words to be the things I hoped you'd realised I've been waiting, seems like eternity I've been waiting, waiting for you I'll send a sign to you over the sea... James "Bicycles are very important to this story - see how many *you* can spot!" (Alexei Sayle, "Didn't You Kill My Brother?") From james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Wed Mar 1 17:49 PST 1995 X-Sender: ou004859@brandywine.otago.ac.nz From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Re: shirt & vote Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM >Close to you, hear all you say, >Even though you're continents away >(then how about the address) >Seance@ >(followed by - in italics so you have to squint to read) >"Travel By Thought" Heh... Dave, that's a *great* idea... I think it captures the "Essence" of the list :) J. James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago. Ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand pixelphone james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz / steam megaphone NZ 03-455-7807 * You talk to me as if from a distance * and I reply with impressions chosen from another time, time, time, * from another time (Brian Eno) From james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Wed Mar 1 20:12 PST 1995 X-Sender: ou004859@brandywine.otago.ac.nz From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: vocalist? I've just been listening to a tape someon made for me ages ago of Remindlessness (and reacquainting myself with the killer track Liquid)... Can anyone tell me who the vocalist is on "Some Lysergic Africa" BTW, someon was talking about scuba-diving and "the rapture of the deep"... som of the other lyrics made me wonder if Steve had done what is regarded to a large extent as an "ultimate adventure" - there are scuba-divable rivers in caves deep beneath the Nullarbor Plain in Western Australia. Supposed to be quite a mecca for cavers and divers... James. James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago. Ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand pixelphone james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz / steam megaphone NZ 03-455-7807 * You talk to me as if from a distance * and I reply with impressions chosen from another time, time, time, * from another time (Brian Eno) From james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Thu Mar 2 19:36 PST 1995 X-Sender: ou004859@brandywine.otago.ac.nz From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Nothing Inside lyrics Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM >This is the best I can do as far as chords for "Nothing Inside." I am TOTALLY >guessing at some of the lyrics and a correction would be embarassing but >appreciated. Thanks for the chords... now for the embarrassment ;) >Hey, get out of my way >I cannot stay >I cannot adore you. >Drained, leaving again (I think) ^^^^^^^ >chasing this train >that they put before you. >You lied, there's nothing inside, >They say the river Jordan is chilly and wide ^^^^^^ >once I told you I would have tried. The rest seems to be OK to me... J. James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago. Ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand pixelphone james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz / steam megaphone NZ 03-455-7807 * You talk to me as if from a distance * and I reply with impressions chosen from another time, time, time, * from another time (Brian Eno) From james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Thu Mar 2 19:36 PST 1995 X-Sender: ou004859@brandywine.otago.ac.nz From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: A Month of Sundays chords Someone was asking for the chords of "A Month of Sundays". Once you work out that one of them is Am7+6 (played x02012), they're quite simple... A Month Of Sundays D Am7+6 D Am7+6 D Badman's woman with that look in her eye Am7+6 You stop to wonder as she passes by D Something inside you is never the same Am7+6 Something outside you is always to blame D Follow her home where she lives with some friends Am7+6 They have some good things to add to the blend D The games expanded, invaded the place Am7+6 You're the only one who's forgotten his face Em7 G D G You're saying no no no I must be on my way Em7 G D A7 But it really has been a pleasant night Em7 G D G And you go so slow hope they'll ask you to stay Em7 G D And indifference gives you a fright The same pattern continues for the other verses: Walking outside you come to a door You go inside and you wonder what for At least it's good to be out of the wind You turn around and the clocks all begin Just like the winter your memory thaws Just like the ocean your memory pours So many pieces to match or to find So many doubts to have in one mind It's hard to see how the tables have turned It's hard to see how the people have learned It's hard to watch the past drizzling past It's hard to watch them picking the cast And it stacks up badly that it never makes sense You sense that sensation is who's paying the rent And she beckons to you with her fingers and lies She says: can't you slice the price of your paradise The sliding lead break in the second and third verses is: |-----------------| |-3=>5------------| |------2=>4-------| repeated |-----------4-2-0-| |-----------------| |-----------------| J. James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago. Ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand pixelphone james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz / steam megaphone NZ 03-455-7807 * You talk to me as if from a distance * and I reply with impressions chosen from another time, time, time, * from another time (Brian Eno) From james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Fri Mar 3 23:22 PST 1995 X-Sender: ou004859@brandywine.otago.ac.nz From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Re: Dome Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM >Anyway, the reason why I'm writing is to see if anyone knows the name of >the film being referred to in "Dome." I know this is sort of trivial, but >I've been doing a bunch of research on sci-fi B movies lately, so my >curiosity has been piqued a bit. The only movie that I know of that is >even remotely similar to "Dome" is "Logan's Run." Anyone got any ideas? There are worse films than "Logan's Run", talking of which... I wondered the same for a while, and came to the conclusion it might have been inspired by the awful Sean Connery film "Zardoz". James James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago. Ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand pixelphone james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz / steam megaphone NZ 03-455-7807 * You talk to me as if from a distance * and I reply with impressions chosen from another time, time, time, * from another time (Brian Eno) From james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Sat Mar 4 00:17 PST 1995 X-Sender: ou004859@brandywine.otago.ac.nz From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: FIELD OF MARS, Tab/Chords Heres one that several people have asked for... Field Of Mars (Fsus is played x33011, or 133011 if you can get your thumb round to the bass E) (1) Fsus C It's a long way home from the Field of Mars Fsus C Distant, alone, beneath the platinum stars G F And I turn to look, but I'm never any closer G F Only just the rain makes the skin feel colder Am G All my life seems so far away Am G All my life seems so far away Fsus C The air is soft in the Field of Mars Fsus C Tears and loss feed the overgrown grass G F And I have to leave, but I never seem to go G F Only more sad clouds where autumn winds will blow Am G All my dreams seem so long ago Am G All my dreams seem so long ago C F C F Oh, Field of Mars, Oh, Field of Mars Fsus C Time is past in the Field of Mars Fsus C Grief won't last in the departing cars G F And I call her name, but she never, ever hears G F And I call again to the cruelty of the years Am G Oh my love she's so far away Am G Oh my love she's so far away C F C F Oh, Field of Mars, Oh, Field of Mars Fsus C Fsus C G F G F Am G Am G (2) C F C F Oh, Field of Mars, Oh, Field of Mars C F C F Oh, Field of Mars, Oh, Field of Mars (repeat and fade) (1) |---------------------| |----1----1----1----1-| |---0----0----0----0--| |--3----2----3----2---| |-3----3----3----3----| |---------------------| (2) |------------|------------|------------|------------| |------------|------------|------------|------------| |------------|------------|------------|------------| |-----32-022-|-----32-022-|-0-----0----|-------032--| |-23-3--3----|-23-3--3----|--3--23-23--|-----23---3-| |---1--------|---1--------|---33-----1-|-3133-------| (then another guitar takes over with...) |-50353753-|-38758A8A-|-CCDCCCA8-|-DDDFFFFF-| (NB: this is approximate |----------|----------|----------|----------| only. There's so much echo |----------|----------|----------|----------| or reverb on that guitar |----------|----------|----------|----------| it's very difficult to |----------|----------|----------|----------| know what's going on... |----------|----------|----------|----------| if in doubt, just go apeshit :) I'm using hexadecimal here A = 10th fret, B = 11th etc. Enjoy! J. James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago. Ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand pixelphone james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz / steam megaphone NZ 03-455-7807 * You talk to me as if from a distance * and I reply with impressions chosen from another time, time, time, * from another time (Brian Eno) From john.brownosullivan@vuw.ac.nz Thu Dec 8 15:59 PST 1994 09 Dec 1994 12:57:13 +1300 From: john.brownosullivan@vuw.ac.nz X-Sender: johnbos@matai.vuw.ac.nz Subject: I jus' wanna say summin Hi everyone It's taken me a week of trying different addresses to get back on the listserver, so now I'm going to celebrate by rambling on and on. So here goes... 1. Apologies to anyone who wrote to me, whether to say hi or bye or whatever... esp. Eve. I saw your message, but I didn't have a mail handler and I couldn't retrieve it! 2. 'Almost Yesterday' sounds shall we say, nonessential? What I want are new songs, or new versions of songs. Wouldn't it be great if someone, oneday, put out a CD (make that a double!) of live recordings, say from the GAF tours? And add on all their acoustic covers of UTMW, Metropolis, Ripple etc. BTW, if there's any interesting info in the AY booklet, would someone mind posting it to the listserver? Red Eye don't release in NZ. 3. Drumming... that was a hot topic back in June, or whenever. I think Ploog's drumming varied from mediocre to sublime - best lines would have to be on NSEW, Blood Money and Hotel Womb. When I first heard GAF I couldn't get over how lousy the drumming was - the dullest I have ever heard. Now I know it was a drum machine, but the question remains, who programmed it? and why did they go for such a dullesville sound? When I first heard P=A I didn't know who was who (shameful confession) and I wondered why the drumming sounded so kind of out of it. I don't know anything about drumming but it had a really relaxed feel, lots of fillers and only the occasional hard hit - very funky, but kind of acoustic, or whatever. Now I revere Jay Dee - the Church will never be the same without him. The drumming on 'Aura' is a personal favourite - I don't agree with whoever said that it sounds kind of timid. It goes from real laid back to drum beats bursting all over the place in a seemingly nonrhythmical way - makes me think of strange crustaceans scrabbling across a rocky shore against a sullen sea lit by a sinking, swollen sun, 10 billion years in the future. 4. Has anyone written to Kilbey? Back in October there were several people planning to, I thought. I intended to, but then I chickened out - I intended to write a letter along the lines of 'Yo Kilbey, get off y'ass, quit travellin' & producin' and doin' acoustic shows 'n' put out lots more albums' (fake manner ends), plus detailed advice on what I wanted and didn't want, but then 'a strange fear gripped me and I just couldn't pass', to quote Mozzer. What are the Church doing? Surely they should be in the recording studio by now. Marty seems to have vanished - surely he could have done another solo album, a Church album, and the Never Swallow Stars thing by now. Maybe we should send a petition. 5. Favourite songs and album - well hang on, how about: Least favourite songs and album (Terra Nova Cain, Chrome Injury, Someone Special, + 30-40 more; RL) Best lyrics (from 'bowing down to worship some god...' to '...its lips are glistening' or 'daddy said... but he spent all his money on hash' - surely a cutting reference to himself by Kilbey? or 'not as strong as the wind's eternal blow') Best vocals Steve on most of P=A - umnm, esp. on 'Chaos' Pete on Transient (go Pete! go Pete! rah rah rah...) Marty on RAH Best guitar solo Ripple Transient Hotel Womb Best bass line Aura, Ripple (last part), Day of the Dead Best song to get stoned to - Aura, of course Unhappiest song - Electric Best Kilbey guitars - Out of this world, Transaction Best album in terms of theme and imagery Well, Seance, of course. ...gee, I could go on all day. John From jtehran@husc.harvard.edu Wed Jan 18 12:54 PST 1995 From: jtehran@husc.harvard.edu Subject: live radio show.... yeah, I agree with Rich, the radio show was a little shorter than expected.... but, considering how rare it is to even hear the church on the radio or for them to get any kind of media exposure at all, it was cool to be able to hear them, even if it was only for 25 minutes.... as Rich mentioned, the set list included Hotel Womb, Providence, Myrrh, 10,000 Miles and Under the Milky Way.... I thought that the versions of Hotel Womb and Providence were quite incredible.... is it really just the two of them playing? 'cause, man, they sounded like a full band.... amazing... myrrh was pretty disappointing, with steve shouting some of the lyrics in an exaggerated sort of way.... 10,000 miles was pretty uninspiring.... and under the milky way was alright.... but, all in all, the performance was short but sweet... and, yeah, it was recorded in san diego.... morten, is this the same show that they played on the radio which you recorded a few months ago? john From jtehran@husc.harvard.edu Wed Feb 8 14:58 PST 1995 From: jtehran@husc.harvard.edu Subject: main tab for Metropolis here's my contribution to this orgy of guitar tabs... I barely know how to play the instrument, but I did manage to figure this out one day while messing around with the guitar: the main tab from Metropolis... it's basically built off of a D chord e|--0/3-3-3-2-----------3------------------ B|------------3------3--------------------- G|--------------2--2----------------------- D|----------------------------------------- A|----------------------------------------- E|----------------------------------------- of course, this could be quite wrong... but, it sounds alright... john From jtehran@husc.harvard.edu Wed Feb 8 15:28 PST 1995 From: jtehran@husc.harvard.edu Subject: correction on Metropolis tab... oops, slight error.. the tab should read: e|--2/3-3-3-2-----------3------------------ B|------------3------3--------------------- G|--------------2--2----------------------- D|----------------------------------------- A|----------------------------------------- E|----------------------------------------- From jtehran@husc.harvard.edu Sat Feb 25 23:08 PST 1995 From: jtehran@husc.harvard.edu (John Tehranian) Subject: Guitar Tabs hey everyone... for a couple of weeks there, we had a great guitar tab thing going... but, don't stop now! keep 'em coming! to everyone that posted tabs: thank you immensely... it's a great pleasure being able to strum along to my favorite church tunes now... some requests I have for any of you out there that may have figured out their tabs: Feel, the Feast, You Took (wishful thinking on this one!), To be in your eyes, Just for You, already yesterday, and/or antenna would be greatly appreciated.. thanks, john From june@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu Tue Jan 24 08:25 PST 1995 by hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (PMDF V4.3-7 #8024) From: june@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (june chilkotowsky) Subject: unsubscribe Brilliant Lab X-Envelope-To: seance@thechurch.EBAY.sun.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I have been asked by brilliant@ruby.fccc.edu>, aka sue@genetics.upenn.edu or sue@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu to send mail that this acct be unsubscribed from your mailing list. This user is no longer at our facility and is continually receiving mail from your address that is routed through our server and on to her new address thus wasting our server's time and resources. Thank you for your prompt attention to this matter. =============================== June Chilkotowsky Computer Specialist Howard Hughes Medical Institute 415 Curie Blvd CRB 305 Philadelphia, PA 904-640 215-898-0395 (voice) 215-312-1600 (beep) 215-898-1257 (fax) From jvward@xmission.com Tue Feb 7 10:32 PST 1995 X-Sender: jvward@xmission.com (Unverified) From: jvward@xmission.com (Jeff Ward) Subject: quick introduction >7: Q: What do I do as a new member? > A: You will receive a confirmation that you have been added on. > Once you do, it would be nice if you sent a quick introduction > of yourself to the rest of the members. Include such things as > how / when you found the Church, favorite album / song / paisley > shirt etc. Hi, Brief introduction: My name's Jeff Von Ward. I'm new to the group. I first got into _The Church_ following the initial release of "Heyday" in 1985. I was a sophomore in high school (to carbon date myself) and a friend of mine introduced me to the band. I presently own eight of the band's CD's but I think my favorite album to date is still "Starfish". It had a lot of meaning to me when it first came out. I think my favorite song is probably "The Unguarded Moment" from "Of Skins and Heart" followed closely by "Reptile" from "Starfish" (popular choices, I'm sure...). I also really enjoy "film" from "Priest= Aura"--it confirmed this long-held suspicion I've had that _The Church's_ music would be make a great film score. I've only seen the band live once. They were quite good, though all of their songs seemed to be increased in tempo. It was in Salt Lake City at the Triad Ampitheater during the summer of 1988 or 1989 (somebody feel free to jump in here?). They were touring with Peter Murphy. A few questions from the tyro: 1) Anybody have a comprehensive list of solo and alternative projects by members of _The Church_--specifically Marty Willson-Piper, Steve Kilbey, and Peter Koppes? 2) I was kind of disappointed with their latest release, "Sometime Anywhere". When can we expect a new album from the band? (this is--or probably should be--a FAQ) 3) Other band mailing lists (_The Wedding Present_ list comes immediately to mind) have polls where subscribers send in info about their favorite song/album and these are compiled and listed by percentage/number of votes received. Is there anything comparable in this mailing list? 4) Since I mentioned it above: has music from _The Church_ ever been included in a film? I'm a bit of a wannabe filmmaker/moviebuff so this question is of particular interest to me. Thanks, Jeff Von Ward From jvward@xmission.com Sat Feb 11 03:40 PST 1995 From: jvward@xmission.com (Jeff Ward) Subject: RE: memorable couplet James Dingan writes: >Thanks for the Bel-Air chords, Kirk: Though not quite my favourite song by >the Church, it contains (for me, anyway) their most memorable couplet: > >"And somewhere far away there's another day, and someone's getting out of bed. >She puts on her face in the morning space. She doesn't know she's dead..." > >Always sends a shiver down my spine, that one. Good internal rhyme scheme, too. > >Hmmn. Now there's a possible thread (oh god no... more mail!). What are all >of you lot's favourite lines/couplets by the Church??? James (and other Church zealots), This one came immediately to mind (and it's easy hum, too): "I was walking in an orchard that grew the strangest fruit/It wasn't mother nature who made those trees take root/You're children cannot hear you/They only want your loot/You hold on to their essence like a parachute..." TRISTESSE from _Heyday_. Adieu, Jeff From jvward@xmission.com Wed Feb 15 00:59 PST 1995 From: jvward@xmission.com (Jeff Ward) Subject: DID continued I'll add my two bits (or bytes)... Catherine Wheel Ferment Ride Nowhere Tears for Fears The Hurting The Church Starfish Simple Minds Sparkle in the Rain U2 The Unforgettable Fire Swervedriver Mescalhead The Wedding Present Hit Parade I James Laid The Replacements Don't Tell a Soul Adieu, Jeff From jwithrow@capital.edu Thu Dec 1 08:39 PST 1994 From: jwithrow@capital.edu (Jason Withrow) Subject: Cast your vote!! To all Church fans: I've decided it would be interesting to compile a list of everyone's favorite album and three of what are in your opinion the "best" Church songs. Then I could tally the results and report back. Maybe there are certain eras of the Church's existence that people like more than others...then again, maybe I just have too much free time on my hands... oh well, I think it will be interesting. So email me with your one absolute favorite album (i know this may be tough for you fence-sitters caught between two albums but make a decision!) and three favorite songs and I'll add up the results. This should also give those of you who are wondering about the size of Seance an idea of how big we are. By the way, Quick Smoke at Spots is included in the albums but Hindsight isn't because I figure it spans far too many years and albums... Looking forward to your email, Jason Withrow From jwithrow@capital.edu Sun Dec 4 11:14 PST 1994 From: jwithrow@capital.edu (Jason Withrow) Subject: Don't forget to vote! For those of you who haven't voted yet on favorite album/three favorite songs please do so soon. I have the distinct impression that some new members who've joined in the past few weeks and posted their introduction message (which had a lot of this info) have neglected to send it to me. Just so you know: I wasn't writing any of this stuff down till I got the idea for this survey so if you want to be included you'll have to mail it to me all over again. Someone emailed me that Life Speeds Up was their favorite "banned" song, implying that because it was on Hindsight it was disqualified. Not so!! People can pick songs from anywhere (i.e. singles, b-sides, etc.) and that's fine. I've included Life Speeds Up to the list of fave songs so that person got to vote for four songs. Some just have all the luck... Next up: Vote for your favorite solo album from Steve, Marty, and Peter (yes Peter even though I haven't touched his stuff since he quit The Church...). And it's the three favorite songs again. I'd do more but it would become quite a headache after awhile. Everyone can thank Rhonda Corcoran for the suggestion to do favorite solo band/songs. I'll post the results of the Church survey in a few days in order to give those people who haven't voted yet a chance to do so. Thanks! Jason p.s. just so you know, the survey on solo stuff means three songs from Steve, three from Marty, and three from Pete. From jwithrow@capital.edu Tue Dec 6 08:54 PST 1994 From: jwithrow@capital.edu (Jason Withrow) Subject: Poll Update To all Church fans: The voting booths close tomorrow afternoon and I'll post the results then. Right now, there's a tie for first place between Heyday and Priest=Aura, so if there are any shy (or lazy) fans out there, be sure to vote if you think one of those two albums is your favorite! Plus, Blurred Crusade is catching up, so I'm interested to see the final results myself. I'll tell you...there are a hell of a lot of great Church songs out there (no big surprise) but I'm not giving away which one is in the lead! The list is pretty long for the songs... at least 60 of them have been selected... One last note: According to my calculations, there are at least 46 Church fans on the list... definitely more, just they haven't voted... Later, Jason From jwithrow@capital.edu Wed Dec 7 12:43 PST 1994 From: jwithrow@capital.edu (Jason Withrow) Subject: The Votes Are In!! Considering the fact that I keep getting mailer daemons when I post to the list, I'm separating the Church list of favorites and the solo list so that if I lose one in transit I hopefully won't lose them both... Well, here we go... Favorite album (drum roll, please) is: a tie between Heyday and Priest=Aura, both of which received 10 votes Next up: Starfish with 9 votes The Blurred Crusade followed closely with 7 votes while Seance was a distant fourth with 4 votes Albums receiving three votes: Of Skins and Heart, Gold Afternoon Fix, and Sometime Anywhere Album receiving one vote: Remote Luxury (although I didn't vote for it, I think it's a great album!!) THE SONGS oh boy, there's a ton of them... Far and away the most popular song by the Church: Myrrh with ELEVEN votes! Next is a tie between Hotel Womb and Ripple (both got 6 votes) Songs with five votes: Under the Milky Way Almost with You Four votes: Sisters Is this where you live? No explanation It's no reason Disenchanted Kings Antenna Three votes: Constant in opal Aura Destination Texas Moon Fighter Pilot...Korean War Unguarded Moment Tantalized Bel-Air A Month of Sundays feel Life Speeds Up Two votes: Just for you Happy hunting ground Lustre Lost Electric Lash Terra Nova Cain One Day Day of the Dead Transient Reptile North, South, East, West When You Were Mine One vote: Dead man's dream Loveblind Two Places At Once the disillusionist tristesse Anna Miranda Russian Autumn Heart Youth Worshipper Laughing Metropolis Lost my touch Dome Film A New Season Cut in two A different man 10,000 miles Monday Morning To Be In Your Eyes Field of Mars Trance Ending Chaos Spark Roman Travel by thought Grind Tear it all away Authority Fog Nightmare and last but not least... a classic: You Took Whew! Finally done... that was a huge process. If anyone has any comments on how to improve the list/things you'd like to see added such as favorite ten songs,etc. then email me. I'm going to take at least a four month hiatus from poll-taking but when I decide to do it again then I'll incorporate the worthwhile suggestions. Some things I noticed (and I feel the same way): Let's face it. The Church is a great band. I had just as tough a time picking favorites as everyone else did. I think that's a testament to how wonderful the music really is. Plus, a lot of people reported favorites changing from day to day. Again, The Church has so much to offer that it's hard to settle on just a few favorites. Thanks to everyone for taking the time to vote! I appreciate the effort. Until the next poll! Jason From jwithrow@capital.edu Wed Dec 7 13:00 PST 1994 From: jwithrow@capital.edu (Jason Withrow) Subject: Votes for Solo Works! Here are the results, sparse as they may be... Steve Kilbey album: Unearthed - 4 votes Slow Crack - 1 vote Earthed - 1 vote Remindlessness - 1 vote SK songs: Transaction: 2 votes Atlantis: 3 votes The rest have one vote: Celebration of the birthday of the Elephant God Other time Pretty Ugly, Pretty Sad Out of this world Design Error Dawn Poems Loveletter from Sydney Golaith Heliopolis Sorry for spelling errors; don't have all the SK albums so couldn't correct typos that people sent me M.W.P.'s albums: Art Attack - 5 votes Rhyme - 2 votes Spirit Level - 3 votes Songs receiving 3 votes: Luscious Ghost You Whisper Songs with 2 votes: Cascade Will I start to bleed Songs with one vote: She's King Fear How come they don't touch the ground Even though you are my friend Listen/Space I can't cry Velvet Fuselage St. Germaine Melancholy Girl Questions without answers Frightened just because of you- one for regular version and one for alternate version Ok now, folks, can we PLEASE be decent? I'll admit that Peter's music is not up to par with Steve and Marty's but at least give him SOME credit. You'd be amazed (well some of you wouldn't because you wrote it- you know who you are!) at the number of derogatory comments made about Peter's stuff. Aw hell, it's true! OK, I give in. Manchild & Myth got one vote and so did the When Reason Forbids EP. As far as songs went, people seemed to think Sahara, take a vow, testing 3.2.1, nursery fugue, when reason forbids, and the wise and the wicked were each worth one vote. Gee, kind of sparse here on praise for Pete... Morten, would you mind commiting these to computer memory somewhere so that my efforts on both this and the Church survey aren't lost to history? Jason From jwithrow@capital.edu Wed Dec 7 13:19 PST 1994 From: jwithrow@capital.edu (Jason Withrow) Subject: Poll Would someone PLEASE email me and tell me they got the poll results? I'll be really upset if I spent all that time typing for nothing! Jason From jwithrow@capital.edu Fri Dec 9 10:58 PST 1994 From: jwithrow@capital.edu (Jason Withrow) Subject: What happened to Arista? Wait a minute!! Have i missed something major? Since when did Arista cut The Church loose? I thought that they threw their support behind the boys on SA, since they clearly didn't have a band when Peter left yet Arista kept them on. What happened? Why would Arista terminate? Boy am i confused, Jason From jwithrow@capital.edu Sat Dec 10 12:59 PST 1994 From: jwithrow@capital.edu (Jason Withrow) Subject: Goldfish Video For some reason, I keep forgetting to mention this. As you can tell, my memory for once didn't fail... I hava an extra copy of Goldfish (Jokes, Magic, & Souveniers) available for $10 plus whatever shipping and handling is. Why do I have two of them? Basically because there were two there, no one else was going to buy them, and I wanted a backup in case one died a gruesome VCR death (hey, don't laugh...it happens). Jason From jwithrow@capital.edu Thu Dec 15 08:56 PST 1994 From: jwithrow@capital.edu (Jason Withrow) Subject: Happy Holidays!!! To everyone on the list: I've survived finals week here at Capital University and will be heading home in a few hours. Unfortunately, I don't have access to email while I'm at home so I'd just like to wish everyone Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!! (or have a great time at whatever you do if you don't observe Christmas...) I'll be back January 9th. Till then, good conversations and lots of worship! Jason From jwithrow@capital.edu Tue Jan 10 08:47 PST 1995 From: jwithrow@capital.edu (Jason Withrow) Subject: Traveling Tunes I just got back from Christmas vacation, during which I traveled a lot. Of course, I didn't dare leave home without my trusty Church albums so those tapes got a lot of playing time. My point is, there are just certain Church songs which make great driving companions: 1) Destination - especially good if you're driving a long way to see someone of the opposite sex whom you're attracted to... providing they know you're coming and want to see you... 2) Myrrh - ultimate song for fast driving. I've found that 'Life Speeds Up' is also good for this. 3) North, South, East, West -good for city driving. 4)Metropolis -another great driving tune. Overall, Starfish and Heyday make the best tapes to listen to if you have a long drive ahead! Back to the college grind, Jason From jwithrow@capital.edu Tue Jan 10 18:42 PST 1995 From: jwithrow@capital.edu (Jason Withrow) Subject: New Church Single? I was just on CDNow, ordering Almost Yesterday when I noticed a new church single. The title was: Heat It Up and it was being distributed by Freeze. I couldn't order it yet; CDNow had it labeled a new release and thus it was unavailable at this time. Anyone know anything about this? I've never heard of a Church song by that title. Jason From kain@pms505.pms.ford.com Fri Dec 2 05:30 PST 1994 From: kain@pms505.pms.ford.com Subject: unsubscribe unsubscribe From kallista@netcom.com Thu Dec 8 17:13 PST 1994 X-Sender: kallista@netcom18.netcom.com (Unverified) From: kallista@netcom.com (Chris Barrus) Subject: Hex (was: Shirts / other things > One more thing. Was the girl who sang in HEX named Donna >Thayer. I have the two albums taped on cassette but I'm not sure if this >is her name. I think she used to be in a band called "Game Theory". >Anyone know where she is now? A most angelic voice. Her name is Donettte Thayer actually. Hex has been playing around town here in L.A. lately and trying out new songs for a new album. Chris ========================================================= Chris Barrus - kallista@netcom.com WWW => ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/ka/kallista/www/gfrc.html '72 Riviera - Peace through superior automotive power! From kallista@netcom.com Sat Dec 10 10:26 PST 1994 X-Sender: kallista@netcom18.netcom.com From: kallista@netcom.com (Chris Barrus) Subject: Hex >What's this about Hex in concert in LA? THE Hex with S.K.???? Count me in >as another lover of Ms. Thayer's ethereal (pardon the pun) voice. No no no! Kilbey wasn't involved at all (and hasn't been for awhile). Chris ========================================================= Chris Barrus - kallista@netcom.com WWW => ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/ka/kallista/www/gfrc.html '72 Riviera - Peace through superior automotive power! From lawatt@nature.Berkeley.EDU Mon Jan 16 09:31 PST 1995 From: lawatt@nature.Berkeley.EDU (Laura Watt) Subject: Re: sorry no church content >Speaking of just listening to how the lyrics SOUND as opposed to the >meaning, has anybody heard That Petrol Emotion? I LOVE the way the >singer's voice sounds with the music. I think Columbia House described >them as having 'swirling lyrics.' That didn't make much sense to me until >I heard them. Actually some of the lyrics are pretty bad IMHO, but they >SOUND awesome. > >nicole Yes, I've only got one of their records, but it is, in my mind, the best named album ever - _Manic Pop Thrill_ - truth in advertising if I ever saw it. "A Natural Kind of Joy" is fabulous, as are their louder ones. laura From lawatt@nature.Berkeley.EDU Wed Jan 18 12:49 PST 1995 From: lawatt@nature.Berkeley.EDU (Laura Watt) Subject: Re: Hello! >Dave >drrake@leland.stanford.edu Hey, look, Morten - another candidate for the bay area shows! laura From hosaka!mrg@yarrina.connect.com.au Wed Nov 23 20:26 PST 1994 Subject: mmm, more steve singles .. From: matthew green a friend of mine asked me if i wanted to go to a cd store during lunch today (duh!), and i happened upon a couple of steve 7" singles that i didn't have. this ashphalt eden this ashphalt eden (3.55) never come back (3.00) shell (3.45) says it's red 13 (red eye records, i assume). "a kil-bee prodcution" .. neat, eh? ;-) (p) 1985 thorn emi.. say's it manufactured under license from red eye, so i guess they've got the (c) on it .. side 1 has "a killabee production" written on it.. cost $9.00 (about $6US) _and_ fireman fireman (4.40) forgetfulness (2.48) nonapology (2.03) red 14 (p) and (c) 1987 red eye records .. 2 years between red 13 and red 14 ... it's in red vinyl, and has "mubby's choice" written on side 2 cost $10 (about $7US) --- there is another copy of _this ashphalt eden_ there as well, but it doesn't have a real sleeve...it was only $5 though.. so if anyone in melbourne is looking for it...it's on the 2nd floor of au go go records..there's a hell of a lot of other church 7" and 12" singles, and some albums there also... *gloat* .mrg. .mrg. From hosaka!mrg@yarrina.connect.com.au Tue Dec 20 21:30 PST 1994 Subject: _almost yesterday 1981 - 1990_ From: matthew green this is really a great album to get someone into the church with. the only problem is that it has my least favourite church song on it (metropolis..). here's a couple of extracts from the liner notes.. it's typical of the loyalty the church commands from it's true believers. it's like a weird cult or something. enter a discussion about the church with one of the faithful and you'll undoubtedly find yourself analysing the msot obscure of phrases or discussing the emotional impact of a single guitar note from a 12-year-old record. it's that sort of fanaticism. steve talking about _the unguarded moment_ "i have no affection for that song whatsoever," kilbey told me in 1990. "the song's got this life of it's own but it means nothing to me. i just think it's a load of tripe but it paid the bills for a few years, i guess." the guy who wrote the liner notes doesn't like peter. that much is _way_ obvious, with comments about him sounding like he should be in a blues band, and others that marty and steve were always the driving force (not that this isn't partially true, but he basically totally writes of peter as being a session guitarist..) the track list if it hasn't already made it here is the unguarded moment, for a moment we're strangers, tear it all away, life speeds up, almost with you, when you were mine, i am a rock, electric lash, into my hands, constant in opal, shadow cabinet, tantalised, myrrh, under the milky way, reptile, metropolis, texas moon. i bought it just to have 'i am a rock' on cd, but i've found i've been listening to it a lot because it really is a great mix of tracks, and filling a cd (over 76 minutes) makes it good for when i'm feeling lazy [*] .. it would make a great christmas present for an unbeliever.. ;-) .mrg. [*] when isn't this true? ;-) From mrg@mame.mu.OZ.AU Wed Nov 30 04:19 PST 1994 X-Authentication-Warning: dynamo.mame.mu.OZ.AU: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol Cc: Church Subject: Re: Starfish used in "21 Jump Street" <2EDD569D@msmail.trl.oz.au> From: matthew green i remember this. i also remember hearing 'blonde's _scene of a perfect crime_ a *day* after i bought their second album (where that track comes from) and being blown away that it was played.. ;-) 21 jump street had some good music in it's time.. mmm, fake. From mrg@mame.mu.OZ.AU Wed Dec 7 21:27 PST 1994 X-Authentication-Warning: dynamo.mame.mu.OZ.AU: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Subject: Re: Best solos... and the starving Hindsight purchaser. <199412080236.PAA07098@arwen.otago.ac.nz> From: matthew green Hey! I didn't know you were calling in votes for this one TOO, yet already like! Here's a rough & ready list off the top of my head: Steviebabes:Best Album: Unearthed Honorable Mentions: Tyrant (whattabass!!!); Atlantis; Guilty Lemon: from Steve? Never! ;-) *yeah, I know, this is an instrumental version of something whose name eludes me. I didn't have time to check Slow Crack or my very scratchy old tape of Remindlessness for top songs. isn't it "favourite pack of lies" ? i don't have the cd's handy.. ;-) i didn't vote. i'd have done what morten did, but he already did it. _today_ i'd give it: albums: remindlessness, spirit level, , hindsight (i guess). eps: narcosis. (this one *had* to go in ;-) songs: fall in love, a minute without you, ; time is imaginary, i can never share an openness with you (?), uh. this is too hard! ;-) ; fly home, is this where you live?, hotel womb.. this was harder than last time we did this. to the guy who said about travel by thought recently: it's on right now, and you're right (actually, i knew that before, i'm just agreeing with you) about it being brilliant [*].. .mrg. [*] but what isn't? ;-) From mrg@mame.mu.OZ.AU Fri Dec 9 19:17 PST 1994 X-Authentication-Warning: dynamo.mame.mu.OZ.AU: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol Subject: Re: Get a life <2EE9AB6D@msmail.trl.oz.au> From: matthew green > said yes-I believe it is supposed to be Steve Kilbey himself. Life is > good!" :) Small amusements for small minds I guess. Any guesses as to who the other person on the Slow Crack cover is ? i think they're both steve. i think the right side is actually in a mirror...of course, this is just *my* interpretation.. .mrg. From mrg@mame.mu.OZ.AU Sun Dec 11 18:15 PST 1994 X-Authentication-Warning: dynamo.mame.mu.OZ.AU: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Subject: Re: The Band's Faves <199412120203.AA25860@rata> From: matthew green I too had to laugh when 3/4 of the Church picked Happy Hunting Ground! >I was curious as to what Chaos was because P=A hadn't come out yet. When >I heard the song I laughed hard picturing the joy MWP evidently got from >doing those clever back up vocals. I am almost 100% certain that Marty had nothing to do with the vocals. When I first heard P=A, I knew very little about who did what in the Church, and I assumed that Steve did the low voice and one of the others did the high voice on songs like Aura, Chaos etc. But then I heard Unearthed, with the same kind of voices, and I realised that it's all Steve. Still not convinced? Well I once read a review of P=A that reckoned that 'when the songs were done Steven Kilbey ducked into a recording studio to dream up the words' and also that Jay Dee helped out with bass, keyboards and backing vocals! So my guess is Pete and Marty did no singing on P=A. Pity. wrong! i saw them live in their last concert *together* just after aura was out. marty singes the rather cool "inside down, upside out" or what ever it is during the, err, `chorus' .. i'm sure that peter and marty also did other backing vocals on the album.. btw, it was a great concert..... ;-) .mrg. From mrg@mame.mu.OZ.AU Tue Dec 13 07:13 PST 1994 X-Authentication-Warning: dynamo.mame.mu.OZ.AU: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol Cc: seance Subject: Re: acousticness From: matthew green PS. The song "Providence": A fabulous song that I heard for the first time at this show but I have no idea if it's available to buy. Please send info oh knowledgable ones. it's on the first jack frost album, sinner. From mrg@mame.mu.OZ.AU Fri Dec 16 19:31 PST 1994 X-Authentication-Warning: dynamo.mame.mu.OZ.AU: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol Subject: Re: The Church From: matthew green On Fri, 16 Dec 1994, Morten Skjefte wrote: > I also treasure the 2 copies I have of Sing-Songs and my 2 copies > of "Narcosis", but since I got those (well at least the initial > copy of each) before I knew how rare they were, they didn't provide > the same euphoric surge that the above list did.... > > -morten Wow, Narcosis is really rare? I never realized that. I remember finding my copy quite easily and several more. . .in fact, I hadn't even realized Kilbey had released it. Just walked in the store one day for no reason, and found it. Wow. I'm glad I picked it up, if that's the case. it's rare because it wasn't made for very long... i wish i had a second copy... From mrg@mame.mu.OZ.AU Sun Dec 18 18:09 PST 1994 X-Authentication-Warning: dynamo.mame.mu.OZ.AU: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Subject: Re: Koppes on Ripple vid <199412182222.AA16104@rata.vuw.ac.nz> From: matthew green Do you know if the video was of the single (about 4:30) or of the album song (6:03)? from memory it's the album. god, this is such a great video. From mrg@mame.mu.OZ.AU Thu Dec 29 15:28 PST 1994 X-Authentication-Warning: dynamo.mame.mu.OZ.AU: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol Subject: Re: just wondering <9412200107.AA17606@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM> From: matthew green > From Beebster@aol.com Fri Dec 16 20:41:11 1994 > Jan. 30 Great American Music Hall (Cap. 475) San Francisco, CA (415) > 885-0750 > > Feb. 1 The Edge (Cap. 500) Palo Alto, CA > (415)324-8445 Really?????? Oh WOW!!!!! This is the best xmas present so far this year! Two concerts within walking distance.... :-) Paul, Tom, Laura - y'all going???? dunno about them, but i sure am. at least to the first one... .mrg. From mrg@splode.mame.mu.OZ.AU Wed Jan 11 20:05 PST 1995 From: matthew green Subject: `jeff' wow. i was just talking to the receponist at work telling her that i'll be seeing our boys in san francisco soon, and stuff, and it turns out that the guy jeff who got up and played at the recent steve gig's is in her band (she's bassist i think) !! and he's apparently been meantioned in some record company's new letter recently. `small world', even without computers. .mrg. From mrg@splode.mame.mu.OZ.AU Fri Jan 13 20:17 PST 1995 From: matthew green Subject: Re: lyrics <199501132251.OAA23331@si.UCSC.EDU> Paul "is it the 30th yet?" Webb no. i'm still over here. :-) From mrg@splode.mame.mu.OZ.AU Fri Jan 20 15:12 PST 1995 From: matthew green Subject: Re: TBT redux <11063.790635738@PROBACTO.SOAR.CS.CMU.EDU> Still Beautiful, Grind. Metropolis is probably my least favorite on GAF. metropolis is the only church song i actively dislike hearing. it annoys me enough that even if my cd remote is out-of-reach i'll get up and go to the next song. :-) From mrg@splode.mame.mu.OZ.AU Sun Jan 22 16:12 PST 1995 From: matthew green Subject: Re: Business Woman and Record Show <1995Jan22.000711.5336458@mail.magic.ca> If you can get back to that record show, I would pay you money to pick up the Feel CD 5. I too made the mistake of not picking it up once, because of lack of funds, and I have been kicking myself ever since. the feel cd5 is a bit of a non event. it's only got crappy boppy bad bad wannabe try hard ``techno'' junk on it. i haven't played mine since the second time i ever did, over 2 years ago now (second 'cause i though i'd give it another chance). now the under the milky way single.. musk is definately worth it .mrg. From mrg@splode.mame.mu.OZ.AU Mon Jan 23 17:42 PST 1995 From: matthew green Subject: Re: Worst songs <199501232213.LAA08922@arwen.otago.ac.nz> i only dislike one song. metropolis. so: 1. metropolis 2. metropolis 3. metropolis .mrg. :-) From mrg@splode.mame.mu.OZ.AU Tue Jan 24 04:58 PST 1995 From: matthew green Subject: Re: psychedelic, man <950124074027_4784434@aol.com> And now I'm counting the days until I fly to California for the 2/3 and 2/4 shows. Got my tickets in the mail yesterday yippee!!!! i'm counting the days 'til the 30th jan concert.... i sure hope morten has my ticket! :-) oh, and besides metropolis, i *really* like every song that has been put on the "worst" list. :-) hmm. does anyone else adore the first couple of lines from _space_ (last track on _narcosis_ [the best best best cd5 ever made]) .. `if you're not a commodity, why are you so scarce?' i adore it. .mrg. (ps, please don't use 2/3 and 2/4 for dates -- i had to look at those again before i understood them.. :-/ ) From mrg@splode.mame.mu.OZ.AU Wed Jan 25 05:36 PST 1995 From: matthew green Subject: Re: Worst <199501250533.AAA13720@netaxs.com> Though I'm definitely reassured at the number of people that dislike Maybe These Boys. i'm not. i actually enjoy this song. it's just so different and strange and hate-able that i love it. From mrg@splode.mame.mu.OZ.AU Wed Jan 25 05:53 PST 1995 Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM From: matthew green Subject: Re: An introduction and two questions <9501250936.AA23791@daisy.dinsunnet> First of all, I was wondering if it's worth getting the Hindsight double CD (I already own all the others, Smoke included). Are there many rarities and good tracks on it ? hindsight is wonderful...it has *many* b-sides on it .. and has one of the track's from _sing songs_ on it (this night is very soft?).. highly highly recommended.. Second, how is SK's Remindlessness ? Can someone describe it in comparison with Church albums and the other three SK albums (which I own) ? remindlessness is a musicscape..a journey in to the mind of steve kilbey. but don't expect to understand any of it. i adore this album (as i do anything steve has done... what i hear you say ? :-) from the hauntingly dark _the neverness hoax_ to the mysterious _danielle_ to the epic and impenitratable _celebration of the birthday of the elephant god_ ... this album weaves a magic i've not seen in any other album. it was my favourite album for about 2 years (i don't have one anymore..and haven't since i realised that i couldn't decided what it was...).. you should also try to track down _narcosis ep_ ... but good luck :-) hey anthony, could i write for beat with stuff like this ? :-) .mrg. From mrg@splode.mame.mu.OZ.AU Wed Jan 25 20:26 PST 1995 From: matthew green Subject: Re: missing cd tracks <1995Jan25.155624.1189662494@peter.biola.edu> someone mentioned 'remindlessness' earlier, and that got me thinking. since i own this album on cd, i have never heard 'random pan' or 'pain in my temples.' could someone please describe these two tracks. i have always been very curious about them, but i have never seen the album on cassette or vinyl. are they highly experimental pieces? the title 'random pan' has always suggested to me something along the lines of 'some lysergic africa'. i have these tracks on the "transaction" ep .. you should find them.. they're great! :-) i've been sorely tempted to buy the album copy, just so i could have them in the right place when i play them.. maybe i'll just learn my cd player (5 disc) to play it right at some stage... From mrg@mame.mu.OZ.AU Wed Feb 1 18:57 PST 1995 X-Authentication-Warning: dynamo.mame.mu.OZ.AU: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol Subject: monday night's gig... From: matthew green morten has the set list.. but.. *wow* i saw marty play his electric 12 string like a 6 string in 1992 (on the priest=aura tour.. :-) and got totally blown away... but now he's playing his acoustic 12 string like an electric 6 string (sometimes...) this guy is *brilliant* .. i wish i could have stayed with morten 'til after tonight, ah, but such is life.. oh yeah, i *did* get to meet marty and steve after the gig, down in their room, and got a few cd covers signed (morten got more, though... i only brought 5 or so cd's with me :-) steve said "don't try that australia accent on me" so i told him i was from melbourne, to which he replied "melbourne, melbourne is my favourite city to play in" .. he also commented on my priest=aura cap.. have fun. :-) .mrg. From mrg@mame.mu.OZ.AU Fri Feb 3 13:25 PST 1995 X-Authentication-Warning: dynamo.mame.mu.OZ.AU: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol Subject: Re: monday night's gig... From: matthew green On Thu, 2 Feb 1995, matthew green wrote: > > steve said "don't try that australia accent on me" so i told > him i was from melbourne, to which he replied "melbourne, > melbourne is my favourite city to play in" .. he also > commented on my priest=aura cap.. Ok, mrg, what Priest=Aura cap? If you've mentioned it before I must have missed it. a black cap with "the church" written on it in priest=aura writing... i thought i'd wear it to the SF show. :-) .mrg. From mrg@mame.mu.OZ.AU Sun Feb 12 20:53 PST 1995 X-Authentication-Warning: dynamo.mame.mu.OZ.AU: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Subject: Re: REQ Month Of SUndays Chord. <9502130019.AA00886@jaws.dme> From: matthew green Here's an old posting requested by pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu. > can finally now play the verse of A Month of Sundays! (NB- in my notation, > 0=open string, 2 indicates fret 2 etc) > > D(X00232); Am7+6 (X02012) repeat ad nauseum. The chorus uses G, D; Em7 > (010000), D, A; G, D; Em7, D. this second chord is right. i wrote it down at the SF concert after i watched steve *very* carefully... .mrg. From mrg@mame.mu.OZ.AU Mon Feb 13 09:17 PST 1995 X-Authentication-Warning: dynamo.mame.mu.OZ.AU: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol Subject: DID ? From: matthew green gosh, there's a lot of people on this list these days... tori amos under the pink bel canto shimmering warm and bright the blue aeroplanes beatsongs the church starfish the church the blurred crusade the church priest=aura clouds penny century clouds thunderhead concrete blonde mexican moon the cure faith the cure pornography the cure kiss me kiss me kiss me depeche mode music for the masses steve kilbey remindlessness steve kilbey narcosis the klf chill out nine inch nails pretty hate machine the orb u.f.orb (plus blue room mixes) pet shop boys behaviour pink floyd animals the police syncronicity sting the dream of the blue turtles supertramp even in the quietest moments tears for fears songs from the big chair u2 the joshua tree roger waters amused to death well, that got longer than i expected... .mrg. .mrg. From mrg@mame.mu.OZ.AU Tue Feb 14 09:39 PST 1995 X-Authentication-Warning: dynamo.mame.mu.OZ.AU: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Subject: Re: DID ? From: matthew green On Tue, 14 Feb 1995, matthew green wrote: > > [list of DIDs] > the blue aeroplanes beatsongs This isn't very Church-related but what the heck.... Did anyone else on this list get into The Blue Aeroplanes based on seeing them open for the Church like I did? That is the only opening act I have ever seen where I went out and bought the album based on their performance. nope. a friend of mine played me a friend of her's _swagger_ album, and i particularly loved the first line of _jacket hang's_ ``pick a card, any card ... wrong!'' the guitars were cool, so i bought that album.. i've since bought every cd of their's i've seen, but don't have a clue how many more are missing... anyone hvae a blue aeroplanes discog ? .mrg. From mrg@mame.mu.OZ.AU Wed Feb 15 10:53 PST 1995 X-Authentication-Warning: dynamo.mame.mu.OZ.AU: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol Cc: Church List Subject: Re: Blue Aeroplanes From: matthew green the blue aeroplanes are on cryslis, not arista... i have no idea if steve or marty like them.. .mrg. From mrg@mame.mu.OZ.AU Sun Feb 26 15:20 PST 1995 X-Authentication-Warning: dynamo.mame.mu.OZ.AU: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Subject: Re: Guitar Tabs <199502260541.AAA13303@scws4.harvard.edu> From: matthew green i know pretty much everything for _you took_ .. if i can be bothered i'll type it up (i only like doing really well done tab's, so i don't do them often..) .mrg. From mrg@mame.mu.OZ.AU Sun Feb 26 15:35 PST 1995 X-Authentication-Warning: dynamo.mame.mu.OZ.AU: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Subject: Re: Narcosis <199502262023.AA28297@tukki.jyu.fi> From: matthew green I have heard a lot of discussion about 'Narcosis' by S.Kilbey. Can anyone tell me the name and address of the record company that sells it? narcosis has very very very sadly been deleted a Long time ago. good luck finding it... .mrg. ps, morten, perhaps you should put this in the `intro' message.. pps, i remember steve saying that narcosis and then remindlessness were `my best works' when i met him a few weeks back. just though of it now.. :-) From mrg@splode.mame.mu.OZ.AU Mon Feb 27 21:50 PST 1995 From: matthew green Subject: Re: Hindsight BEST BUY has very decent prices. . .I've seen copies for $32.88. Can't beat the $24.00 one, though. :) oh, i think mine was a gift from a certain list owner a couple of years ago... :-) .mrg. From mrg@splode.mame.mu.OZ.AU Thu Mar 2 07:09 PST 1995 From: matthew green Subject: you took tab. well, here's the you took tab i said i might work on... it's got pretty much every guitar part there is, plus the bass for most of it.. i'd do the drum stuff, but i had writing out drum music on a 'puter. any one has differences, please let me know. i didn't spent 3 hours doing this to get it wrong... :-) enjoy! .mrg. --- you took slides and bends are both written with \ and / characters. listen to the song to work out which. caret's indicate a harmonic. the spaces between notes sorta says how the rythym goes, but there is not really any separation except bars, and that might even be dodgy. rythym guitar at start. E | ---5-5-5-5----5-5-5-5--- | B | ----5-5-5-5----5-5-5-5-- | G | ------------------------ | D | --7---------7----------- | A | ------------------------ | E | ------------------------ | repeat E | ---0-0-0-0----0-0-0-0--- | B | ----0-0-0-0----0-0-0-0-- | G | ------------------------ | D | --2---------2----------- | A | ------------------------ | E | ------------------------ | then the little interlude at the start gives: repeat E | ---5--5--5--5--5-------- | ---8--8--8--8--8-------- | B | ----5--5--5--5--5------- | ----8--8--8--8--8------- | G | --6--6--6--6--6--------- | --9--9--9--9--9--------- | D | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | A | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | E | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | E | ---3--3--3--3--3-------- | ---5--5--5--5--5-------- | B | ----3--3--3--3--3------- | ----5--5--5--5--5------- | G | --4--4--4--4--4--------- | --6--6--6--6--6--------- | D | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | A | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | E | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | repeat until end of guitar solo. tacit. lead guitar: E ---- | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | B ---- | --10-9------------------ | --10-9----------9------- | G -9-- | --------9------------9-- | --------9---------9-9--- | D ---- | ----------11------------ | ----------11------------ | A ---- | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | E ---- | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | E | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | B | ------------------------ | -----------------9------ | G | ---------9-------------- | ---------9-----9---{-9-} | { first time only } D | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | A | --9-11-9----12-----12--- | --9-11-9----12---------- | E | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | repeat. E | --9-910-109-9-10-10-9-9- | --9-910-109-9-10-10-9-9- | B | --10101010101010-10-1010 | --10101010101010-10-1010 | G | --9-99--9-9-9-9--9--9-9- | --9-99--9-9-9-9--9--9-9- | D | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | A | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | E | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | E | --4-45--54--4-5--5--4-4- | --4-45--54--4-5--5--4-4- | B | --5-55--55--5-5--5--5-5- | --5-55--55--5-5--5--5-5- | G | --4-44--44--4-4--4--4-4- | --4-44--44--4-4--4--4-4- | D | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | A | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | E | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | E | --9--------------------- | ------------------------ | B | --10-------------------- | ------------------------ | G | --9--------------------- | ------------------------ | D | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | A | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | E | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | E | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | B | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | G | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | D | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | A | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | E | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | E | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | B | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | G | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | D | --/7-------------2-4---- | --5---------------2-0--- | A | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | E | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | E | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | B | ------------------------ | -------------8/(10)\8/-- | G | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | D | --0--------------------- | ------------------------ | A | -------------3-2-------- | ------------------------ | E | ---------------------3-- | --0--\\\---------------- | E | ------------------------ | ---------------7-8-7---- | B | --(10)---(10)--------7-- | --8---------10---------- | G | -------------------9---- | ------------------------ | D | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | A | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | E | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | E | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | B | --7--------------------- | ------------------------ | G | -----------------9-7---- | --9-----\\\------------- | D | ---------------------9-- | ------------------------ | A | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | E | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | E | ---------15-15-15-15---- | --15-------------------- | B | --15/(17)-(17-17-17-17~) | ----(17-17-17-17)---15-- | G | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | D | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | A | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | E | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | E | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | B | --15----------13-12----- | ------------------------ | G | --------------------12-- | --14-------------------- | D | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | A | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | E | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | tacit. base guitar at intro. G | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | D | ------------------------ | --------------12^------- | A | ------------------------ | -----------------12^---- | E | ------------------------ | --------------------12^- | HERE: G | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | D | --------------12^------- | --------------12^------- | A | --0---0----------12^---- | --0---0----------12^---- | E | --------------------12^- | --------------------12^- | G | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | D | --------------12^------- | ---------------7^------- | A | --0---0----------12^---- | --0---0-----------7^---- | E | --------------------12^- | ---------------------7^- | G | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | D | ---------------7^------- | ---------------7^------- | A | ------------------7^---- | ------------------7^---- | E | --0---0--------------7^- | --0---0--------------7^- | G | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | D | ---------------7^------- | --------------12^------- | A | ------------------7^---- | -----------------12^---- | E | --0---0--------------7^- | --0---0-------------12^- | repeat from HERE: a couple of times. base does something with `A C G A' for a while at intro interlude, evenutally going to a: G | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | D | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | A | --12^0-12^0-12^0-12^0--- | --12^0-12^0-12^0-12^0--- | E | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | like pattern with `A A A A D A D A E D A A' for each verse... ie, A A you took a peice of my heart A A you took a peice of my heart D A and i don't know why D A no, i don't know why E it was clear in coming here D A i must have put the horse before the cart A before the cart repeat for verses. guitar 1: (starts at `E' above) E | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | B | ------------------------ | --3--------------------- | G | --1--------------------- | --2--------------------- | D | --2--------------------- | --0--------------------- | A | --2--------------------- | ------------------------ | E | --0--------------------- | ------------------------ | it was clear in coming here i must have put the horse before the E | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | B | ----2------------------- | ------------------------ | G | ----2------------------- | ------------------------ | D | ----2------------------- | ------------------------ | A | --0--------------------- | ------------------------ | E | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | cart, before the cart. guitar 1: E ---- | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | B ---- | --2--------------------- | ------------------------ | G ---- | --2--------------------- | ------------------------ | D ---- | --2--------------------- | ------------------------ | A ---- | --0--------------------- | ------------------------ | E ---- | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | guitar 2: E ---- | --17-------------------- | ------------------------ | B -14- | ------------------------ | --------------------14-- | G ---- | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | D ---- | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | A ---- | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | E ---- | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | guitar 3: E ---- | ----------9------------- | ----------9------------- | B ---- | ----------10------------ | ----------10------------ | G ---- | ----------9------------- | ----------9------------- | D ---- | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | A ---- | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | E ---- | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | you took the lead from the start guitar 1: E | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | B | --2--------------------- | ------------------------ | G | --2--------------------- | ------------------------ | D | --2--------------------- | ------------------------ | A | --0--------------------- | ------------------------ | E | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | guitar 2: E | --17-------------------- | --------------------17-- | B | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | G | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | D | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | A | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | E | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | guitar 3: E | ----------9------------- | ----------9------------- | B | ----------10------------ | ----------10------------ | G | ----------9------------- | ----------9------------- | D | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | A | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | E | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | you took the lead from the start guitar 1: E | --2---0---2---0--------- | ------------------------ | B | --3--------------------- | ------------------------ | G | --2--------------------- | ------------------------ | D | --0--------------------- | ------------------------ | A | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | E | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | guitar 2: E | ------------------------ | --17-------------------- | B | --15----------------14-- | ------------------------ | G | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | D | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | A | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | E | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | guitar 3: E | ----------10------------ | ----------9------------- | B | ----------10------------ | ----------10------------ | G | ----------11------------ | ----------9------------- | D | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | A | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | E | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | and i don't know why guitar 1: E | --2---0---2---0--------- | ------------------------ | B | --3--------------------- | ------------------------ | G | --2--------------------- | ------------------------ | D | --0--------------------- | ------------------------ | A | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | E | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | guitar 2: E | ------------------------ | --17----------------12-- | B | --15----------------14-- | ------------------------ | G | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | D | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | A | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | E | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | guitar 3: E | ----------10------------ | ----------9------------- | B | ----------10------------ | ----------10------------ | G | ----------11------------ | ----------9------------- | D | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | A | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | E | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | no i, don't know why guitar 1: E | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | B | ------------------------ | --3--------------------- | G | --1--------------------- | --2--------------------- | D | --2--------------------- | --0--------------------- | A | --2--------------------- | ------------------------ | E | --0--------------------- | ------------------------ | guitar 2: E | --------------------10-- | ------------------------ | B | --12-------------------- | --10----------------14-- | G | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | D | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | A | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | E | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | guitar 3: E | ----------12------------ | ----------10------------ | B | ----------12------------ | ----------10------------ | G | ----------13------------ | ----------11------------ | D | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | A | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | E | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | it was clear in coming here i must have put the skin before the guitar 1: E | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | B | ----2----------------0-- | --3------2-------------- | G | ----2------------------- | -------------------0---- | D | ----2------------------- | -----------------4------ | A | --0--------------------- | ------------------------ | E | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | guitar 2: E | --17-------------------- | ------------------------ | B | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | G | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | D | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | A | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | E | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | guitar 3: E | ----------9------------- | ----------9------------- | B | ----------10------------ | ----------10------------ | G | ----------9------------- | ----------9------------- | D | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | A | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | E | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | heart, before the heart. base goes on G for while, then to A. repeat. lead guitar: E | --3--------2----0--0-2-- | --0-------------0------- | B | ------------------------ | ------------3-------2--- | G | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | D | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | A | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | E | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | lead guitar: E | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | B | ------------------------ | --2--------------------- | G | ------------------------ | --2--------------------- | D | --5\-------------------- | --2--------------------- | A | ------------------------ | --0--------------------- | E | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | rythym guitar: E | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | B | ------------------------ | --2---3---5---3-2------- | G | ---------------------2-- | ----2---2---2--------2-- | D | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | A | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | E | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | E | ------------------------ | B | --2---3---5---3-2------- | G | ----2---2---2----------- | D | ------------------------ | A | ------------------------ | E | ------------------------ | lead guitar: E | --3--------2----0--0-2-- | --0-------------0------- | B | ------------------------ | ------------3-------2--- | G | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | D | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | A | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | E | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | E | ------------------------ | B | ------------------------ | G | ------------------------ | D | --5\-------------------- | A | ------------------------ | E | ------------------------ | { verse } guitar 1 as before guitar 2: E | --0---0--0---0---0--0--- | --0---0--0---0---0--0--- | B | --2---2--3---2---2--3--- | --2---2--3---2---2--3--- | G | --2---2--2---2---2--2--- | --2---2--2---2---2--2--- | D | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | A | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | E | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | you took the rest of the day E | --0---0--0---0---0--0--- | --0---0--0---0---0--0--- | B | --2---2--3---2---2--3--- | --2---2--3---2---2--3--- | G | --2---2--2---2---2--2--- | --2---2--2---2---2--2--- | D | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | A | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | E | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | you took the rest of the day and E | --2---2--3---2---2--3--- | --0---0--0---0---0--0--- | B | --3---3--3---3---3--3--- | --2---2--3---2---2--3--- | G | --2---2--2---2---2--2--- | --2---2--2---2---2--2--- | D | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | A | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | E | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | i don't know why no E | --2---2--3---2---2--3--- | --0---0--0---0---0--0--- | B | --3---3--3---3---3--3--- | --2---2--3---2---2--3--- | G | --2---2--2---2---2--2--- | --2---2--2---2---2--2--- | D | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | A | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | E | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | i don't know why E | --4---4--5---4---4--5--- | --2---2--3---2---2--3--- | B | --5---5--5---5---5--5--- | --3---3--3---3---3--3--- | G | --4---4--4---4---4--4--- | --2---2--2---2---2--2--- | D | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | A | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | E | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | now that's it's all over now there's just some coldness in my E | --0---0--0---0---0--0--- | --0---0--0---0---0--0--- | B | --2---2--3---2---2--3--- | --2---2--3---2---2--3--- | G | --2---2--2---2---2--2--- | --2---2--2---2---2--2--- | D | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | A | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | E | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | way it's in my way { repeat refrain } { back to first verse guitar } guitar 1: E | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | B | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | G | ------------------------ | ---------------------9-- | D | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | A | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | E | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | guitar 1: E | --10----9--------------- | ------------------------ | B | -----------------8------ | ------------------------ | G | --------------9--------- | ---------------------9-- | D | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | A | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | E | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | guitar 2: E | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | B | ------------------------ | ----2---3---5----------- | G | ------------------------ | --2---2---2------------- | D | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | A | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | E | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | guitar 1: E | --10----9--------------- | ------------------------ | B | ------------------8----- | ------------------------ | G | ---------------9-------- | ------------------------ | D | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | A | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | E | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | guitar 2: E | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | B | ------------------------ | ----5---3---2----------- | G | ------------------------ | --2---2---2------------- | D | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | A | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | E | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | repeats. other lead guitar bits before last verse: lead guitar: E | --3--------2----0--0-2-- | --0-------------0------- | B | ------------------------ | ------------3-------2--- | G | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | D | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | A | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | E | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | E | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | B | ------------------------ | -------------3---2------ | G | --0---4/(5)--------2-0-- | --2-------2------------- | D | ------------------------ | --------------------4--- | A | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | E | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | E | ------------------------ | ------------10--9------- | B | ------------------------ | --8----------------10--- | G | --0--------------------- | ------------------------ | D | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | A | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | E | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | E | ------------10--9------- | ------------10--9--10--- | B | --8----------------10--- | --8--------------------- | G | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | D | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | A | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | E | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | E | --12-------------------- | ------------------------ | B | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | G | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | D | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | A | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | E | ------------------------ | ------------------------ | that's about it. the end...well, just go spastic .. ;-) it goes out on an A .. .mrg. this transcription copyright (c) 1995 matthew green. this maybe be reproduced electronically, but physical copies are limited to one per person for personal use only. oh, and only if this copyright remains attached. lyrics reproduced without permission. From mrg@splode.mame.mu.OZ.AU Thu Mar 2 15:24 PST 1995 Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM, James Dignan From: matthew green Subject: Re: vocalist? On Thu, 2 Mar 1995, James Dignan wrote: > I've just been listening to a tape someon made for me ages ago of > Remindlessness (and reacquainting myself with the killer track Liquid)... > Can anyone tell me who the vocalist is on "Some Lysergic Africa" oh yes, Liquid is my favorite track on there. Now, as for SLA, *checks CD liner notes* the vocalist is Isadora Telambi. I always wondered if that was who Steve was "speaking" to on Vanishing Act when he says "Hey, Isadora, get undressed.." also in the remindlessness poem, and maybe in the earthed book, but i'm not sure on that one. she's a saxophonist, in reality. From matthewk@postoffice.utas.edu.au Tue Feb 28 14:50 PST 1995 From: matthewk@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Matthew Kirkcaldie) Subject: End of fun Dear Morten and other Church-o-philes, Sorry to say that I have to use e-mail for professional purposes now, and mailing list membership is rather frowned on. I've enjoyed most of the Church list traffic (though t-shirts have grated a bit), but I'm sorry to say I'll have to unsubscribe. See you later! Matthew. PS: If you want a shirt lyric, how 'bout "I've got a milk-white electric guitar / Walked in the shop and I peeled off the notes, oh yeah." That always got me. From mbromley@dme.nt.gov.au Mon Nov 28 22:59 PST 1994 From: mbromley@dme.nt.gov.au (Michael Bromley 61-89-895442) Subject: Holidays ummm work Yes well since nothing is happening except impending unemployment, i just thought i'd pop an electronic neuron to seance.... I've got the Fake album, and it is really good. The songs have a very wide range of sounds, samples and perhaps people. The Kilbey touch is there (although i don't know if i would have recognized it without being told), and certainly it is hard to pin-down just what the songs are on about. I would recommend trying to get hold of it, as it is worth a listen, especially the bonus untitled songs. It is bizarre though, influences are wide ranging, a lot of middle eastern and indian tinges, wrapped amongst orchestral/ electronic american pop sounds. Certainly a grower. I also managed to get hold of a few All About Eve CD's. The pre MWP one's are good, but very poppy. The band though does seem to flourish with Marty amongst them. The 1992 release 'Ultraviolet' is excellent. I would compare a lot of the songs to songs off Priest in terms of the guitar sounds. For anyone who is a fan of the band dynamics on 'Chaos', these appear frequently across most of the songs, and in combination with Julian Regan's voice makes for a great CD. Back up the chimney it is for me, Have a nice day... bromblebee From mbromley@dme.nt.gov.au Tue Nov 29 16:59 PST 1994 From: mbromley@dme.nt.gov.au (Michael Bromley 61-89-895442) Subject: Re: Fake - Back Of My Hand EP & Fake CD > Karin Jansson is definetely the main vocalist on most of the tracks > (but not all) Yeparooni. I thought so also. Her publishing is also through polygram i think. And fake is published by Sony/ Polygram/ Control (from memory), with Kilbey being published by Sony, and Goudenov is Control?? This would account for all of the authors unless someone shares the same company... >As for Steve's involvement I agree it's hard to detect Yepareeni. >The masked voice on the end of Untitled One sounds a lot like him He has done this thing before on the Narcosis EP i believe. Also a few of the instruments/samples from Kilbey's Unearthed also make an appearance, esp the crappy electronic drum sounds every now and again. Also is the single called 'Back Of My Mind' or 'Back Of My Hand' as written by Richard W. Powell? I thought it was the first? Or is the single different to the album version??? Thats all folks. Have a nice day/night, bromblebee From mbromley@dme.nt.gov.au Sun Dec 4 14:54 PST 1994 From: mbromley@dme.nt.gov.au (Michael Bromley 61-89-895442) Subject: Re: videos pmwebb writes: > but I have one question for everyone, was there ever a video for "Feel" > which was the 2nd single from P=A? I assume there might have been, but I've > never seen or heard of it. Anyone know better? i write: I don't believe so. I did see a compilation australian album out after feel was released and indeed feel appeared on the CD but not the video form. This probably implies that there wasn't a video release. Also when RAGE (Australia's Music Video Show) did the Church Special earlier this year, They played all church vid's bar You Took. Feel was also not on this. Thats my A$0.026 (US$0.02) worth for today, have a nice today btw, bromblebee From mbromley@dme.nt.gov.au Sun Dec 11 16:10 PST 1994 From: mbromley@dme.nt.gov.au (Michael Bromley 61-89-895442) Subject: Re: t-shirts Here's my thoughts on the t-shirt: White t-shirt. Paisley design similar to the Light blue shimmering picture on the RIpple single, in a square on the front with silouhettes of the two/three/four rock gods themselves superimposed. On the back is the traditional writing only section. With the email, and a number of the most bizarre collection of lyrics possible. Perhaps there should be a competition to find the above. I guess it would probably have to be two-liners though. Keep it simple. Also i want it as a cool material, since it is damn hot here in the tropics. A compromise would suffice though. I can see it now... bromTV From mbromley@dme.nt.gov.au Sun Dec 18 18:28 PST 1994 From: mbromley@dme.nt.gov.au (Michael Bromley 61-89-895442) Subject: Re: Koppes in Ripple video > from memory it's the album. Yep. > god, this is such a great video. Yep. The best church one at least (rapidly approaching favourite all-time video clip). I wonder if the fact that Peter got very little on-screen time in this video, actually means anything. brom From mbromley@dme.nt.gov.au Wed Jan 4 19:26 PST 1995 From: mbromley@dme.nt.gov.au (Michael Bromley 61-89-895442) Subject: Fake question If anybody is alive out there in fairyland, i heard i song on jjj yesterday by a swedish lady, who sounded a lot like the Fake singer, and although i left her name at home, is it known whether the singer is swedish? Not K.J. I will bring the name tomorrow... Until then have a pleasent if not festive new year... brom From mbromley@dme.nt.gov.au Tue Jan 17 15:31 PST 1995 From: mbromley@dme.nt.gov.au (Michael Bromley 61-89-895442) Subject: Re: T-shirts >Well, are you all rabid enough??? Yes i believe that is appropriate. >If you're interested Yes. Extremely and financially. Another thought...Perhaps if somebody does the design it can be scanned in and chucked onto Vernon's Church Page on Mosaic, for people to see. This is assuming that most people out there in Fairyland have the Mosaic facility... brom From mbromley@dme.nt.gov.au Sun Jan 22 14:53 PST 1995 From: mbromley@dme.nt.gov.au (Michael Bromley 61-89-895442) Subject: Re: church songs/ good/ bad/ ugly SInce everyone is trying to get their opinions in (with good reason too), i shall as well. Travel By Thought: Is truly a magically bizarre song. Fantastic sound scapes, and wondrous lyrics. I hated it at first, but it grew on me. Thanks for providing the Ray Bradbury connection. GAF: Yes, yes. We all know that GAF is not one of the Bands more high points. I find that it is the album i most avoid, but when i listen to it, well it still *is* a church album after all. I don't like You're Still Beautiful, but songs like Disappointment, Grind and RAH, make it a fantastic dreamy with a bit of r'n'r collection. Don't Open The Door To Strangers: Hated this as well. It is extremely different to the rest of the album, but i think that once you get over the corny lyrics it is a really good church song. Welcome to all the newbies, keep saying these outlandish statements. Always good to upset the establishment. (: See you in the springtime, bromine From mbromley@dme.nt.gov.au Mon Jan 23 14:38 PST 1995 From: mbromley@dme.nt.gov.au (Michael Bromley 61-89-895442) Subject: Re: thoughts > on the other hand, i think tbt is a wonderful part of the 'seance' whole. > i don't care for this idea of 'another song would have been better than > that one' because the point is not to make an album of the best ten songs > but of the ten songs which together make the best album. That could be gaf's biggest problem. It feels like a collection of songs as opposed to an album. Now i'm going to stick me neck right out on this one. I *will* compile a list of votes for the worst songs. Send me the three worst you have. Leave it at the Church only. No solo stuff. Send them in some sort of order ie 1,2,3 and i will assign 3 votes for worst, 2 for second worst and 1 for third... If no order all will get 1 vote. Could anybody who has already sent them to seance also send them to me directly. I will wait until Friday morning (Aussie time) to compile and publish the results, to give everyone time... My votes: 1:You're Still Beautiful 2:Much Too Much 3:She Never Said This might get interesting, brom From mbromley@dme.nt.gov.au Tue Jan 24 16:10 PST 1995 From: mbromley@dme.nt.gov.au (Michael Bromley 61-89-895442) Subject: Worst/Least Favourite Update I'm not going to say which song is 'winning'. That could make the experiment non-scientific, and we can't have that. Anyway 25 songs have made it to the list so far. This is a lot. I have started to include people's votes that they posted straight to seance. With the UTMW single. This is great. I (only) have it on 12", but with Musk and Warm Spell being two great b-sides, every lunatic church person should own this. I don't suppose there is a CD copy of it floating around there in fairyland that someone would part with? It was asking for a bit too much i believe. (: bromlette From mbromley@dme.nt.gov.au Thu Jan 26 21:33 PST 1995 From: mbromley@dme.nt.gov.au (Michael Bromley 61-89-895442) Subject: Final Count OK here we go.... 14 You're Still Beautiful 3 3 2 3 2 1 12 The Disillusionist 2 1 3 3 3 12 Maybe These Boys 3 1 3 1 2 2 6 Grind 1 2 3 5 Metropolis 3 2 3 Much Too Much 2 1 3 Travel By Thought 1 2 3 Is this where you live 1 2 3 Business Woman 3 3 In A Heartbeat 3 3 Witch Hunt 3 2 Chaos 2 2 Forgotten Reign 2 2 Paradox 2 2 Terra Nova Cain 2 2 A Golden Dawn 2 2 Remote Luxury 2 2 Blood Money 2 2 Night Of Light 2 2 Essence 2 2 Fly 2 1 She Never Said 1 1 Electric Lash 1 1 Youth Worshipper 1 1 Two PLaces At Once 1 1 Russian Autumn Heart 1 1 Dream 1 I might have missed a couple (Mr Mailtool crashed on me). Couple of interesting things: Some are my favourites. *sigh* SOME people have no music sense. :) Only one Starfish song. 5 for GAF. The three parody songs got a caning. That's it from me peoples. Let's hope they pull their respective fingers out and give us some new releases to rave about soonish... brom From mbromley@dme.nt.gov.au Wed Feb 8 19:44 PST 1995 From: mbromley@dme.nt.gov.au (Michael Bromley 61-89-895442) Subject: Operation Emailed Chords? 100% Success brom From mbromley@dme.nt.gov.au Sun Feb 12 16:27 PST 1995 From: mbromley@dme.nt.gov.au (Michael Bromley 61-89-895442) Subject: Re: REQ Month Of SUndays Chord. Here's an old posting requested by pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu. > From james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Mon Oct 31 09:59:21 1994 > X-Sender: ou004859@brandywine.otago.ac.nz > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Date: Mon, 31 Oct 1994 13:23:52 +1200 > To: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM > From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) > Subject: Discovered - a Church chord > Content-Length: 764 > > Apologies to everyone for whom this is old hat stuff, but I was mucking > around with my guitar yesterday and came across the chord change below... I > can finally now play the verse of A Month of Sundays! (NB- in my notation, > 0=open string, 2 indicates fret 2 etc) > > D(X00232); Am7+6 (X02012) repeat ad nauseum. The chorus uses G, D; Em7 > (010000), D, A; G, D; Em7, D. > > Sorry, just thought someon might like to know... James > > James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago. > > Ya jivu v' 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand > pixelphone james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz > steam megaphone NZ 03-455-7807 > > "In Waggawagga, polar bears eat my trousers surreptitiously" > written during a Psych 4 finals essay last Saturday. > > From mbromley@dme.nt.gov.au Wed Feb 22 15:28 PST 1995 From: mbromley@dme.nt.gov.au (Michael Bromley 61-89-895442) Subject: OK OK T-SHirts again I plead innocence, but i do like the angel. It was all an idea, to get the shirt idea rolling again, which i think it has. The Copyright is the BIG problem. I would like to avoid that also Morten... >> I like the collage idea (in fact, I suggested it didnt I??) I didn't copy it (subconsciously perhaps). I am not overly artistic, and i have no photos (having never been to a concert *sigh*) but i do have the scanner access, and a little spare time. The problem is avoiding the corniness of it... The collage was just a thought. with no other flashes of inspiration at the moment, brom ps I would prefer a white t-shirt because i live in the tropics. From mbromley@dme.nt.gov.au Thu Feb 23 22:14 PST 1995 From: mbromley@dme.nt.gov.au (Michael Bromley 61-89-895442) Subject: Re: T-Shirts again Cc: seance-info@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM UNSUBSCRIBE Alas peoples, my time has ended here, but i will be back in a couple of weeks. *crowd goes wild* In the meanwhile: please don't make the shirt concept a talk-fest. brom From mmd040@aberdeen.ac.uk Tue Nov 29 09:56 PST 1994 From: mmd040@aberdeen.ac.uk Subject: to all like minded people Hello all Church fans out there There I was touring the web when I came accross this place and my first thought was "good heavens someone else has heard of this wonderful band!" For anyone that's interested my name is Gary and I hail from Aberdeen in sunny Scotland. I first heard of The Church around the time of The Blurred Crusade album although the first track I ever heard was the wonderful Unguarded Moment. It came on to a late night rock show special (The Old Grey Whistle Test I think) one Hogmanay (that's Scottish new years eve for anyone not in the know) and even through a large pair of beer goggles I knew I was witnessing something special. Since then I have been a great admirer of their music (and shirts) although I have to admit to knowing little and owning nothing since the Gold Afternoon Fix album. This has been due mainly to an inability to obtain anything on vinyl to which I am addicted. I'm sorry but CD's and cassettes are no use to me. With this in mind I intend this very night to catelogue my Church collection for your perusal and I'd be forever grateful if anyone can fill me in on what I'm missing. I look forward to hearing from anyone and until then here are my Church favourites (at the moment). Best album: Hey Day Best song: Unguarded Moment (the first is always the best!!) Best album cover: Hey Day (good album covers are the best reason for buying vinyl) Favourite shirt: A red silk affair with black Paisley pattern (circa 1983) Worst moment: Seeing a copy of the Sing Songs EP in an Edinburgh record shop in 1982 and not having the funds to buy it. Thanks for listening Gary Cameron From engen@scf.usc.edu Mon Dec 5 00:14 PST 1994 by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP by girtab.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) From: mmmmmmBobbay!!! Subject: the boys are comin't sstateside Sorry for any of the glitches there, but i had a little problem. Anyway, I jus the "LA Times Calendar" section for the Coach House in San Juan Capistrano for Church. It said that they were just added for an unplugged show on February 4. anyone heard about any other dates or a tour? I still can't believe, but worse the LA area come February. Later, Mark sorry for the typos From engen@scf.usc.edu Tue Dec 6 09:59 PST 1994 by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP by girtab.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) From: mmmmmmBobbay!!! Subject: for your info I saw that my original mail never quite made it to the list, so i will post thi goes well. I just saw an ad in the "LA Times Calendar" section for the Coach House in San Capistrano for The Church. It said that they were just added for an unplugged February 4. Has anyone heard about any other dates or an actual tour here in t I still can't believe, but worse is, I won't in the LA area come February. Later, Mark From engen@scf.usc.edu Fri Dec 16 18:21 PST 1994 by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP by girtab.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) From: mmmmmmBobbay!!! Subject: just wondering Well, I guess things are slow here on the list, but that's understandable. Any wondering why there are only 3 known dates (to my knowledge) here in the LA are the church and little elsewhere. Why only LA? Seeing some old friends? Excus I'm repeating this previous question, but there was a problem with my account ( Mort). And no stories to tell of getting any rarities, still waiting for them. Later, Mark From mosk Tue Nov 29 10:03 PST 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: Reckless Kelly - Soundtrack > From powell@Kodak.COM Tue Nov 29 07:27:12 1994 > > Hello All - > I've attached some more discog info regarding the Reckless Kelly > soundtrack (time & CD number). Has anyone got this on the "Mushroom" > label? The one I found is on the "Picture This" label. I can't tell > what country it's from. I bought it through CDEUROPE. The CD itself > does not have a label printed on it, but everything else is intact. > - Dick > I'll have to pull out my copy of it... I believe mine had a label and that it's on the Mushroom label.... > > [update to "Steve Kilbey" section] Thanks. It's updated. -m From mosk Tue Nov 29 11:32 PST 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: Fake - Back Of My Hand EP & Fake CD > From powell@Kodak.COM Tue Nov 29 08:45:25 1994 > Subject: Fake - Back Of My Hand EP & Fake CD > > Hi fellow Churchites - > > The Fake stuff just arrived at my door step (via Vicious Sloth). [edited] > - have fun, Dick > > I got the Fake stuff last Wednesday, thanks to a wonderful Australian person on this list who shall remain unnamed, but who would say aye if you yelled "mrg"..... Anyway, I have been listening to the main album off and on for the last week, and I think the album is incredible enjoyable... I really like this album... I usually do anything I can to avoid dance/techno/ambient music, and I'm therefore very surprised that I find this album so irresistible. Initially I thought the best tracks were on the CD5 too, but when I listened to the album on headphones I started hearing all the wonderful details in the music which makes the album different than the rest of the crowd.... The way the guitars are arranged, the way the guitars sound, Gudenov's trumpet and the fact that a lot of the instruments are actually not keyboards, but sometime made to sound like keyboards, are all little details that make the soundscape very interesting. Currently my favorites are "F Outa Fake", "Fakin' It" and "Everything Is Fake" (hmmm, that's all the songs with "Fake" in it... :) plus of course the 3 first tracks on the CD5. The bonus album to me is less interesting too, as it is mostly what, to my ears, seem like someone accidently leaving their synthesizer and tape deck on and recording the feedback that emitted overnight.... :-) I've only listened to it once, so it may grow, but usually this type of music gets on my nerves after awhile and I dive for my Ramones albums to get relief... As for Steve's involvement I agree it's hard to detect. The masked voice on the end of Untitled One sounds a lot like him, especially the way the voice drops off at the end of each sentence. And since Anthony says he is involved, that's good enough for me.... One thing is obvious though... Karin Jansson is definetely the main vocalist on most of the tracks (but not all). Listen to the way "stupid" is pronounced on "Back Of My Mind". Or the end of "Bring Me Down". If that's not a Swedish accent, I'll eat lutefisk (a gelatinous, smelly, fish-derivative that is concidered a delicacy in my old homeland Norway) for Christmas dinner this year. Jansson's voice has improved a lot since the CY album. And there are other singers too, so don't be put off by the fact that she's singing. She does a pretty good job in my opinion. The fact that Karin is so involved in this album, makes me wonder if this is the album Steve was referring to when he mentioned that Karin had recorded a new album and that it was very good.... Maybe Fake is another Jansson moniker??? All in all, the main Fake album is excellent and highly recommended. > > > [add to: "Steve Kilbey (Fake)" section] Added... Thanks for taking care of all the typing.... :-) -morten From mosk Tue Nov 29 16:55 PST 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: numbers > From james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Tue Nov 29 15:06:31 1994 > Morton, silly question I know, but with all these new seancers (seancites? > seancitonians?) on the list, how many of us are there now? > 129 at the moment.... > Still waiting for Fake in NZ... > Poor thing... > James > > Musical recommendation for the day: Calenture (The Triffids) > Oooh, yes.... A brilliant album by another brilliant Australian band... My recommendation: "Fink Tank" by Bughouse...... As above.... > > James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago. > -m From mosk Thu Dec 1 08:43 PST 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: The list (Was: Re: i'd like to subscribe) > From John.Brown-OSullivan@vuw.ac.nz Wed Nov 30 20:18:58 1994 > From: John.Brown-OSullivan@vuw.ac.nz > Date: Thu, 01 Dec 1994 17:19:12 +1300 > To: SEANCE@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM > Subject: i'd like to subscribe > > subscribe > I have added you back in John.... > (just in case Morten has automated the listserver) > No, I haven't... I don't have a clue as to how to do that... :-) But I will take this opportunity to make a few administrative announcements... thechurch was upgraded earlier this week to a Sun SparcStation 10 (so it should be fairly obvious that I am talking about our "list-server" and not Steve & Marty :) The machine upgrade may not mean a whole lot to you, but it means a lot to me, since this is also my personal desktop machine.. :-) I'm now running Solaris 2.4, which seems to be behaving quite nicely. I assume that also means that a decent version of sendmail is incorporated (I haven't had time to really look at it yet), which should mean that I can start looking into setting up the list so that only I get the error messages... Speaking of error messages, are you guys seeing messages like "550 qfAA03582: line 94: /home/thechurch/mosk/Postmaster/PP_sort... Can't create output" ?? I get one every time I post to the list, but I haven't been able to find what's wrong. Postmaster is a mail sorting program I use, and the messages seems to be ending up in all the correct mailboxes locally. It worked fine on 2.3, but after the switch it's starting to act up. I don't need 130 people to answer me back, but if your name is Paul, Brian, Karl or mrg, can you please confirm whether you're getting this error msg??? TIA.... The upgrade also means a doubling in diskspace, I now have 2 GB available to play with... :-) I will be looking into setting the lists up as digests also, if there still is a demand for that.... I think that's all for now.... Back to the music.... > John > -morten From mosk Thu Dec 1 12:50 PST 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Reckless Kelly CD Just to follow up on my previous reply regarding the RK soundtrack: My cd is also on "Picture This". The label (or attempt at one) has the "Compact disc digital audio" logo, and above that a 3x10 mm (that's millimeters for you americans :) logo for PT (a film strip). The rest of the label looks like a glue smear... It's (as far as I can tell) the trash can Yahoo Smellious is wearing on his head on the front cover. The "picture label" is done in a color that makes it almost invisible. Rather (invisibly) brilliant.... Around the hole of the cd it says: *Reckless Kelly Soundtrack* P&C 1993 Picture This Records P/L* TVD93375 * (RMD53375) Picture that.... -m From mosk Thu Dec 1 14:16 PST 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: the church list Going through some old mail and I discovered this one... Doesn't seem like this one ever made it to the list. Matt, make sure you send all your posts to: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Thanks, -morten > From catbutt@prism.nmt.edu Wed Nov 23 08:19:02 1994 > From: Matthew Goolsby > Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 09:20:21 -0700 > To: Morten.Skjefte@EBay.Sun.COM, catbutt@prism.nmt.edu > Subject: Re: the church list > > Umm, I hope this works, > > Howdy, I'm a very new addition to the church list (seance?) and I have > been asked to introduce myself. My name is Matt Goolsby. I am a student > studying Geochemestry at the New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology. > I'm really into college radio and have a huge music collection. Current album > in rotation is Teenager of the Year by Frank Black. I'm not certain what > posessed me to buy my first Church album: Priest=Aura but I'm glad I did. > My favorite songs are currently Kings and Metropolis. I'm certian that there > are a few of the members here that are thinking, "He probably doesn't have > anything earlier than Starfish. I'm a bigger fan than him." to which I say, > "You're right. You win. I conceed that you are a bigger fan than I." > I'm glad that I found this list and I guess that this is all for the intro. > > Matt Goo. > From mosk Fri Dec 2 09:18 PST 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: Church Stuff. I'm forwarding some questions from Neil to the list because I only know the answer to a couple of these.... ----- Begin Included Message (slightly edited) ----- From NJANDREW@GENVAX.GLAMORGAN.AC.UK Fri Dec 2 01:30:14 1994 From: "MANSION OF (F)LIES" Subject: Re: Church Stuff. Who are the people in the 'Under the Milky Way' video...girl with leather jacketcarrying picture frame and man with long coat, both with shades. Does it come from a film ?? Is one Karin Janssen(wild guess)? Who is 'Youre still beautiful' about ? Are there any videos made of anything post GAF ?? Can you still get Quick Smoke c/w Priest Austrailian release ?? Did Pete leave under amicable circumstances, has he spoken out??? If youre too busy for this, can you chuck it forward to the seance address?? Many Thanks Neil. ----- End Included Message ----- Videos after GAF: Ripple Two Places At Once (am I missing one?) Pete left under amicable circumstances according to Steve. Pete had just had enough.... -morten From mosk Fri Dec 2 10:04 PST 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: The Triffids (longish) I agree with James that it's hard to choose between Calenture and Born Sandy Devotional as the Triffids best album.... There's also an offshot band called The Blackeyed Susans. (there is an american hard rock band called Black Eyed Susan too). The Triffids-associated Susans are just as good as the Triffids, maybe even better. I think we should take the Triffids discussion off-line at this time. As a matter of fact, I decided to create a Triffids alias this morning... The address is triffids@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM I added these people on it to start out with: 4MIJARES_J@spcvxa.spc.edu james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz powell@Kodak.COM me If you want on or off let me know.... -morten From mosk Mon Dec 5 09:37 PST 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: Almost Yesterday > From powell@Kodak.COM Fri Dec 2 16:52:14 1994 > > Just picked up Almost Yesterday (1981-1990). I was really surprised > to see it at all. These are the tracks: > 07) i am a rock This is definetely a surprise. This means that now 3 tracks off the SingSongs ep have been committed to shimmering plastic. And it's surprising that they chose the cover song too.... I guess Paul Simon finally will get the fame he so richly deserves.... > > It's got an eight page booklet w/a history of the band & an discog(aus). > Very nice. As Anthony said, features a white cover w/silver printing. > It does not jump off the racks as a Church disc. Well, I've got to > give it a listen now.... Anthony also said they (EMI) claimed there would be "a track that's never been heard before"... I guess they think _no-one_ has the SingSongs ep... :-) Or is there a track that has an alternate take? > later, Dick > -morten From mosk Mon Dec 5 10:04 PST 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: Favorite album and 3 songs. _One_ favourite album and _three_ songs??? You've got to be kidding!! It's easier to walk on water.... My list goes as follows: Monday: "Of Skins and Heart" "Life Speeds Up" "Texas Moon" "Fighter Pilot, Korean War" Tuesday: "Hindsight" "You Took" "Ripple" "Bel Air" Wednesday: "Starfish" "A Different Man" "Fog" "Film" Thursday: "Seance" "When You Were Mine" "Metropolis" "Columbus" Friday: "An Interlude" "No Explanation" "Two Places At Once" Saturday: "Somewhere Else" "Shadow Cabinet" "Disenchanted" "Under The Milky Way" Sunday: "Blurred Crusade" "Destination" "Anna Miranda" "The Unguarded Moment" Since today is Monday, I guess that's the one that applies.... -m From mosk Mon Dec 5 12:09 PST 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Any Pixies fans out there??? I bought a bootleg by them over the weekend and have decided that it wasn't quite what I was looking for, so if anyone wants to buy it, I'll let them... :-) Here's the info: Pixies - "Zurich 1989" Recorded live at "Rote Fabrik" Zurich, Switzerland during the "Surfer Rosa" tour, June 10th 1989. Quality is not the best, but not too bad. It's a 7 on a 1-10 scale. What put me off the most was the band's playing actually. Not extremely inspiring, although they do a great version of "Gouge Away". Songs are from Surfer Rosa and Doolittle. 22 tracks in all.... Selling price is $30 including postage in the US. First come, first serve.... -morten From mosk Mon Dec 5 12:33 PST 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Mailer daemons If you see mail like the ones below, please don't repost to the entire list. We all got it, except for these 2 people. They have been taken off the list btw as of now. -morten ------- ----- The following addresses had delivery problems ----- "| /usr/usc/bin/filter -o /home/scf-02/engen/.elm/filter_ERRORS" (unrecoverable error) (expanded from: ) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 554 "| /usr/usc/bin/filter -o /home/scf-02/engen/.elm/filter_ERRORS"... unknown mailer error 1 ------ ------ From Mailer-daemon@aol.com Fri Dec 2 12:01:39 1994 From: Mailer-daemon@aol.com Subject: Returned Mail: Undeliverable The mail you sent could not be delivered to: 550 rwwaddell is not a known user ------- From mosk Wed Dec 7 08:55 PST 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: hindsight > From U23500@UICVM.UIC.EDU Tue Dec 6 16:26:31 1994 > > is there anything on hindsight, that i, loyal church aficianado that i am, > need to have, meaning, not on anything i own...which is : all the domestic > release (US) albums (meaning art form, not media. I own CDs)? in other > words, is it worth shelling out 35 bux for the import at tower records? > well...that's my question...feel free to answer it... > mephisto > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Thank you very much. Please drive through. > Yes, there are a lot of non-album tracks on it: In A Heartbeat Fraulein You've Got To Go The Golden Dawn Life Speeds Up The Night Is Very Soft Autumn Soon Someone Special Trance Ending It's definetely worth the bucks.... -morten From mosk Wed Dec 7 11:08 PST 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Bootleg Video I have made some additions to the discography this morning. One of them was this little item I got hold of via a nice person on this list.... 1988 Live On Swedish Television When You Were Mine N.S.E.W. Destination Columbus You Took Under The Milky Way Myrrh Unguarded Moment Reptile Tantalized CCS-VIDEO 091 (Bootleg Video, USA) The concert is actually the Milan concert from 1988. The title probably stems from where the bootleggers taped it from. The picture quality of the video is so-so. 75% of the time you only see the silhouettes of the band. Only when the lights go on full blast can you actually see their faces etc. The camerawork is fairly ok, as it was originally done by an italian TV crew. But it's very irritating that every time Peter plays a solo, Marty is in the picture, and when Marty plays a solo Peter is in the focus... There are some nice shots down Marty's guitar-neck (I've always loved looking at Rickenbackers anyway :) and Marty is flirting with the camera-person every now and then. The best thing about the video is to see Marty's enthusiasm, and the occassional time when even Steve and Peter let's it all loose... And of course, Marty jumping off the drum-stage during "You Took". And also almost running down Steve when he runs across the stage to do the "heads down boogie / twin guitar" pose with Peter.... An enjoyable video all in all... After all, it's live and it's the Church.... :-) Btw, this is the same concert that Paul W offered copies of last Christmas... I don't have video dupe facilities, so I can't help you.... :-( -morten From mosk Wed Dec 7 18:09 PST 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: Poll > From jwithrow@capital.edu Wed Dec 7 13:17:27 1994 > Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 16:15:32 +0500 > From: jwithrow@capital.edu (Jason Withrow) > To: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM > Subject: Poll > > Would someone PLEASE email me and tell me they got the poll results? I'll be really upset if I spent all that time typing for nothing! > > Jason > We got them and they have been forever etched in memory.... or at least ground into the diskdrive.... :-) -m From mosk Thu Dec 8 08:57 PST 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: Votes for Solo Works! > From n9282183@janice.cc.wwu.edu Wed Dec 7 19:38:57 1994 > > Oh NOOO I thought we weren't posting fav solo stuff yet. I guess I didn't > read closely enough (finals, argh!) Well, everyone consider it another > vote for Remindlessness for SK. As for favorite song, I'd have to get all > of my albums out to look, but I do know one of them would be Liquid. As > for Peter and Marty, I have only a few Marty's and one Peter, so I don't > feel qualified to make a decision. Yes, I AM biased! I have my favorite. > *grin* > > nicole Yeah, yeah, I didn't think we were voting for solo stuff yet either, but I can't blame it on finals, so I'll have to blame memory loss and old age.... Anyway, for what it's worth: Kilbster: Remindlessness (since Narcosis isn't technically an album) Transaction Limbo This Asphalt Eden The Pseudo-Swede: Spirit Level Kiss You To Death Adelle Yvonne Forever Peter: Manchild And Myth (Since again, Iridescence is not an album) At The Castle What's the Matter? Peak To Peak -morten (and I really don't like polls.... :-) From mosk Thu Dec 8 09:08 PST 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: Church in Uppsala > From pe@daisy.flow.kth.se Thu Dec 8 08:01:26 1994 > > > Rich wrote: > >Did both Steve and Marty take turns on lead vocals? > > Yes, they did ! Maybe I'll get two more chanses to > figure out wich song it was, because I will see > Steve and Marty this Friday and Saturday in > Stockholm ! > > Per. > Maaan, some kids get to have all the fun!!!! It's not often I wish I lived in Norway again, but this weekend it would have been really convenient to live in Oslo.... Let's see..it's 9am thursday morning here in CA. If I jump on a plane right now, that's a 16 hour trip + 9 hours time difference...yep, I shoould be able to reach Stockholm in time for the concerts.... Reserve a seat for me... -morten From mosk Thu Dec 8 13:38 PST 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: Shirts / other things > From n9282183@janice.cc.wwu.edu Thu Dec 8 13:02:50 1994 > > I believe that was Donette Thayer. *gets her tape* Yup, Donette Thayer > from Game Theory. > Mmmmmmm....Donette....love that girl's voice, guitarplaying (w/ GT) and video.... Btw, I'm on the Loud Family list (which is what the leader of Game Theory, Scott Miller, is doing now) and this morning they said that the only time Game Theory had been mentioned on MTV was in an interview with...Steve Kilbey! I'm not sure if I should post what SK said about Mr. Miller to that list or not... :-) > > LET'S MAKE T-SHIRTS! > > I AGREE!! > I have suggested this many moons ago. As far as I know, I can get those created from any gifs or jpegs that I have.... We could therefore very easily design something ourselves and have them printed up. Anyone up for this?? I envision a paisley Milky Way background with a pic of our boys superimposed... Anyone want to design it??? I think we should stay away from any published photos tho', but I know some of you have photos you've taken yourself.... It would definetely be an easy way to discover other list members at concerts... :-) > PS. to Morten: Do you think you could add a little bit to the FAQ you > send to new users saying that they WILL get bounce messages? *grin* It > seems like everyone sends their intro message two or three times... > There's already a piece in there... The only thing I can't do is actually make the newbies read the darn thing.... :-) On the bright side tho' it sure looks like we're adding a ton of people each day, doesn't it?? :-) > Nicole > > | Nicole Hall | I'll try to write you a | > | Western Washington University | letter from the cyclone's eye | > | n9282183@henson.cc.wwu.edu | -The Church | > -m From mosk Thu Dec 8 16:19 PST 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Loud Family address > From FURSTD@BoysTown.ORG Thu Dec 8 14:00:30 1994 > Date: Thu, 08 Dec 94 16:00:10 CST > From: DAVID FURST > To: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM > > Morten > > How 'bout laying that Loud Family list address/how to sub on me? S. Miller/Game > Theory/Loud Family is generally #2 on my list following the Church et al. > > Also, Donnette - another vote for THE ANGELIC VOICE!!! > > Dave > here it is: loud-fans-request@PrimeNet.Com -m From mosk Thu Dec 8 22:35 PST 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: Hello? Is this thing on? Catching up with some old mail..... > From mbromley@dme.nt.gov.au Tue Dec 6 22:32:25 1994 > > > Scott W Reichert said: > > Sorry to raise anyone's hopes, but this is just a test. My last THREE > > tries at sending mail to the list have returned undeliverable. > > Hopefully, this one will work. > > i say: > Yeparooni. The problem is that when you send messages to seance, if someone > else on the list is no longer reachable by mail, you will be bounced back these > letters. You also don't necessarily recieve your own letter from seance, so > just assume that if you send something and also are recieving things then > everything is happy. > > I think this is right. Morten? > > brom > All correct, except for the "You also don't necessarily recieve your own letter from seance" part. A few people are complaining about this, maybe 10 of you. I still think this is a local problem on your end, maybe your admin has set it up that way on purpose. I am not an expert in sendmail or unix, so I may be wrong. If so, point me in the right direction and I will do my robot-like best to fix it. -morten From mosk Fri Dec 9 11:18 PST 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: CD's spotted > From rfd@buclaa.bu.edu Fri Dec 9 11:02:30 1994 > > _Conception_ just has 10 tracks off of the first 5 albums. For completists > only. > Not quite correct (and I know you know this... :-) Conception has 9 tracks off the first 2 albums + 1 track off Sing-Songs. It's the only place "A Different Man" is available on CD. Which makes Conception a must have! :-) > Rich > Boston Univ. > -morten From mosk Fri Dec 16 11:10 PST 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: The Church > From eemsho77@Calvin.EDU Fri Dec 16 10:09:05 1994 > C'MON YOU > BIG-TIME-COLLECTORS-WHO-HAVE-BEEN-INTO-THE-CHURCH-SINCE-THE-DAY-THEY-PUT- > OUT-THEIR-FIRST-SINGLE! > > I KNOW YOU'RE OUT THERE! > > (eve crawling into a hole after her zillionth posting to the list) > > > Well, I wasn't going to add to this because my keyboard has both UpPeR and lOwErCaSe letters, and I didn't think that was appropriate.... :-) But since I started, here are the items that gave me the most chills finding: 1. Temperature Drop In Downtown Winterland 2. She Never Said - 7" version 3. Unguarded Moment b/w Busdriver 4. Jokes Magic & Souvenirs - vinyl version 5. This Asphalt Eden I also treasure the 2 copies I have of Sing-Songs and my 2 copies of "Narcosis", but since I got those (well at least the initial copy of each) before I knew how rare they were, they didn't provide the same euphoric surge that the above list did.... -morten PS. Are we reeeeeeeally reaching for something to chat about here??? :-) From mosk Mon Dec 19 17:11 PST 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: re: just wondering > From Beebster@aol.com Fri Dec 16 20:41:11 1994 > Jan. 30 Great American Music Hall (Cap. 475) San Francisco, CA (415) > 885-0750 > > Feb. 1 The Edge (Cap. 500) Palo Alto, CA > (415)324-8445 Really?????? Oh WOW!!!!! This is the best xmas present so far this year! Two concerts within walking distance.... :-) Paul, Tom, Laura - y'all going???? -m From mosk Wed Dec 21 11:42 PST 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: _almost yesterday 1981 - 1990_ > From hosaka!mrg@yarrina.connect.com.au Tue Dec 20 21:26:42 1994 > > this is really a great album to get someone into the church with. ...and I assume it's a pretty neat one for us who are _vaguely_ into them already too... :-) > i bought it just to have 'i am a rock' on cd, but i've found i've > been listening to it a lot because it really is a great mix of > tracks, and filling a cd (over 76 minutes) makes it good for when > i'm feeling lazy [*] .. > Well, "I Am A Rock" would be my excuse to buy it too (I haven't yet), but then again just to get "Life Speeds Up" and "Texas Moon" on the same CD would be worth it to me... And on top of that, "Shadow Cabinet" and "Constant In Opal".... It really seems like a superb collection... > it would make a great christmas present for an unbeliever.. ;-) > ..and for a believer (hint, hint :). Actually, the reason I haven't picked it up yet is that I expect to get it for xmas.... Hmmm, come to think of it, I should probably buy it and put it under the tree and then take it back if I get multiple copies.... It's best not to take any chances.... No Christmas without a little religious music with the turkey and the wine.... > .mrg. > -morten From mosk Thu Dec 22 14:31 PST 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: UNSUBSCRIBE Cc: seance@thechurch Robert, I don't think it's unfair to "stuff the ballot box", especially since the Church delivered a great album this year. I am passing the whole message on to the list. And I have taken you off the list. Kids, get your votes in now.... I'll be taking a well-deserved rest of the year off, starting in about 5 minutes. I may log in from home over the holidays, then again, Santa will probably give me so many CDs that I won't have time for anything else... :-) So have a wonderful holiday and a great new year.... We'll be dropping names again in '95.... -morten > From rdm1@Lehigh.EDU Thu Dec 22 12:11:55 1994 > Date: Thu, 22 Dec 1994 15:07:49 EST > From: rdm1@Lehigh.EDU (ROBERT DAVID MALLON) > Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE > To: seance-info@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM > > Morton, > > I have to leave the list, but I wanted to tell you about an on-line music > poll by rec.music.misc. It allows you to vote for the top twenty albums > of the year. I was going to post the address to the Church list, but I > wasnt sure if that is a good idea. I dont want to sound overly > moralistic, but I dont know if that would be "stuffing the ballot box". > Last year about two hundred people voted, so opening it to all the Church > listeners might produce obvious results. Since I have to leave, I decided > to leave the address with you, and let you decide. (Pass the buck!) > > The top twenty albums can be emailed to geigel.psc.edu or there is an > automated list (if you have mosaic, etc.) that can probably be located > through alt.music.misc. > > By the way, has anyone ever thought about designing a home page for the > list? Alot of bands have them, and Im sure someone could come up with > something that could be pretty creative. Just a thought. > Thanks. > > Bob Mallon > From mosk Tue Jan 3 08:47 PST 1995 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: re:treasures > From Beebster@aol.com Wed Dec 28 15:43:17 1994 > > I heard a rumor somewhere that there was also a UK version with a WATCH > enclosed, though nobody I know has ever been able to confirm or deny this. > Anybody know??????? > > - Cath > Yes, my brother saw this one once in a store in London. From his description though, it sounded like the clock was a separate item (no cds or cassette involved). As far as I can remember it was a regular black clock with a small plaque that said "Gold Afternoon Fix". No pictures or nothing. It sounded like a $10 Timex clock with a $13 engraving job. Asking price was 100 pounds.... I passed on it.... -morten From mosk Tue Jan 3 08:50 PST 1995 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: Church covers > From james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Wed Dec 28 18:31:17 1994 > > Don't know if anyone has ever mentioned it here before, but there are a > couple of covers of "Under the Milky Way" by different artists. The first > is by an Aussie band called (I think) Ripe, on a compilation of covers of > "Australian Classics" called "Used and Recovered By", which (from memory) > has a harsher, driving guitar based sound and a pared down melody line. The > other is a "dance-mix" style version by New Zealanders the Strawpeople. > > Just thought I'd mention it... > > James Steve mentioned the first one in one of his letters: "Seek out also a record called "Used + Recommended by" on which a band called Ripe does a great version of Milky Way (better than ours in fact) (on Mushroom too)." Can't get a better recommendation than that! :-) -m From mosk Thu Jan 5 11:28 PST 1995 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: re: just wondering > From toma@sco.COM Wed Jan 4 09:30:51 1995 > > > I've got my tickets for the show at the Edge. Anyone else going > to that one? > Yes Tom, I'm going to both.... I know Paul Webb is too... I believe Laura is going to at least the SF one. And mrg is coming all the way from Australia to go to the one in SF also.... It'll be great fun..... > > This will be the first time I have seem them. Wish I could > have seen them with the guitars plugged in, but at least I > will get a chance to see them live. > The show will probably be electric enough as it is.... especially if we all come prepared to heckle them... I think they really like being heckled... > Tom -morten From mosk Mon Jan 9 17:01 PST 1995 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: This computer world of ours..... ....is getting better and better.... I was browsing the "SF Concert Calendar" web page today and lo and behold, when I clicked on "Steve and Marty" vernon's home-page appeared..... "Surfin' USA" sure has gotten a new meaning lately.... :-) -morten From mosk Wed Jan 11 17:28 PST 1995 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: SF Concert Date! > From djbarnard@ucdavis.edu Wed Jan 11 15:44:46 1995 > > > I heard some rumors about an SF Concert Date in January. Can anybody > confirm or deny this? If it is happening, please include any relevent > info: where tix, where playing, date, and any other acts! > > > Thanks, > > dave > > djbarnard@ucdavis.edu > You bet! Jan 30th @ Great American Music Hall, SF Feb 1st @ The Edge, Palo Alto. I believe Bass is handeling both of these.... Btw, I think they are billed as "Steve Kilbey and Marty Willson-Piper" and not the Church! At least they were on the Bay Area Concert calendar... -morten From mosk Fri Jan 13 08:33 PST 1995 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: mystery > From raspet@homer.acs.bethel.edu Fri Jan 13 08:07:03 1995 > > BTW- mentioning pre-Pepper Beatles reminded me of Revolver. Does anyone > else out there think that the album was slighted by the hoopla over > Pepper? I think that the Lennon tracks on there are some of the best > music I've ever heard (esp. Tomorrow never knows). > > Peter > > Oh yes.... To me Revolver is the best MopTops album ever.... I don't think it was slighted by the hoopla of Pepper, since it was released about 9 months prior to it, but when people look at the Beatles retrospectively I think Revolver gets shafted. Revolver was the first album I ever bought (Xmas of 66) and the second record I had, only preceeded by the Paperback Writer / Rain 7". It was so easy to choose / buy music those days... :-) Revolver also has 2 of my fave FabFour songs ever...Dr. Robert and And Your Bird Can Sing....mmmmmmmmmm...... And now for something Church related.... This is from the go-betweens list: >From Monsanto@aol.com Fri Jan 13 00:02:16 1995 Subject: Grant on KCRW Grant played an spoke for an hour last night on KCRW (the Santa Monica NPR affiliate station). He talked about the screenplay he's writing with Forster, the making of HBS, his songwriting technique vs. Forster's and other random topics. He played excellent solo acoustic versions of "Lighting Fires", "Simone And Perry", "Clouds" and a superb new song (the first thing he wrote post-HBS) called "One Plus One". Other news: A U.S. tour with a full band will follow after HBS is released here, and the second Jack Frost album should be out by mid-'95. Tonight he'll be making his only L.A. appearance...I'll let you know how it goes... Andy From mosk Fri Jan 13 15:54 PST 1995 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: lyrics > From pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Fri Jan 13 14:52:12 1995 > > Paul "is it the 30th yet?" Webb > Getting closer.... I got my tickets today.... I hope it's the right concert....The ticket says Steve Kilby and Marty Piper....Oh these jokers at Bass..... Anyone know who will do the support act duties??? I know Grant McLennan is in the LA area right now, so maybe a quick set from Jack Frost to warm us up??? :-) -m (going back to my distorted/storied/torried gaze.... :) From mosk Wed Jan 18 13:56 PST 1995 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: Hello! > From lawatt@nature.Berkeley.EDU Wed Jan 18 12:49:26 1995 > >Dave > >drrake@leland.stanford.edu > > Hey, look, Morten - another candidate for the bay area shows! > > laura > Is it? The reason I'm hesitant, is because I believe there is a stanford thingy on the east coast too. So Dave, are you in Palo Alto? If so, you may (or may not) know that Steve and Marty are doing 2 acoustic shows in the area at the end of the month..... E-mail me if you need details. There will be a bunch of people from the list at least at the SF gig. We'll be up front drooling...... :-) And Darrell, how could I have forgotten to include you in the Bay Area people? Are you going??? -morten From mosk Wed Jan 18 14:01 PST 1995 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: live radio show.... > From jtehran@husc.harvard.edu Wed Jan 18 12:53:58 1995 > and, yeah, it was recorded in san diego.... morten, is this the same show > that they played on the radio which you recorded a few months ago? > > john > No, the one I heard was recorded at the Plant in Sausalito (that's on the other side of the Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco). I'll be happy to trade you a copy for the San Diego one.... :-) -morten From mosk Wed Jan 18 14:13 PST 1995 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Loveblind I found the promo cd for Loveblind / Business Woman today. It's the US version, so now at least we know that one was released.... Nothing really special, but it _is_ after all a Church CD! :-) Loveblind is edited a little bit (it's 4:34 vs. 6:24 on the album). The intro is shortened and the outro is faded.... Business Woman is the same as the album. There was no front cover (which isn't unusual for promos), the back cover is a detail of the SA cover (the "japanese" sun + the 7 older gentlemen that are sitting lined up.... I have updated the discog.... -morten From mosk Fri Jan 20 15:04 PST 1995 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: Electric Lash > From huskers@snow.Seer.COM Fri Jan 20 11:03:54 1995 > > > I had forgotten about that one; it does stand out a bit, but it > is mostly inoffensive to me. Not the high point. > Jeez... "Electric Lash" is one of the best songs on the album in my opinion. Those choppy drums are just great! > To be honest, I haven't *listened* to Travel By Thought in a few > years; it's programmed out. This, because my first copy of Seance > was an audio-cassette (remember them?) that a friend made, and he > arbitrarily cut that song out (he didn't like it either). So, > I didn't even know the song was ON the album until I bought it a > year (and MANY listens) later. At which point I was turned off for > a few reasons: mostly because it sort of threw off the album as > I was used to it. > Maybe you should reeeeaaallly listen to it again. It's amazing how some of the songs I used to dislike, suddenly become very good after I've gotten tired of some of the other songs.... > And I agree that some of the songs that WERE put on their albums weren't > as good as some that have shown up in Hindsight or A Quick Smoke.., and > of course it's my opinion but why don't they see these things!!? :) > I agree.... They should check with us first! :-) Songs like "Life Speeds Up" and "Texas Moon" were better than some of the songs that ended up on the albums from the same sessions.... > What is the current status of the band? Solo work pending, touring > singly/together, working with other folks, writing more stuff?? > They are one band I'd LIKE to see acoustic-ize some of their older > stuff. > They (Steve and Marty) will be touring Calif. in Jan/Feb. They do play old songs like Hotel Womb, Shadow Cabinet, Tristesse and 10,000 miles. A full report of their concerts will follow, as a lot of us are going to the concerts (at least the one in San Francisco). And yes, it is all acoustic (both on guitars). > later, > Aaron > -morten From mosk Tue Jan 24 07:56 PST 1995 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: I really love this list.... Due to the impending deadline for the "worst tracks" poll, I brought in 7 Church albums to work today; "Seance", "R.L." "Heyday", "GAF", "Quick Smoke", "P=A" and "SASE". These are the only ones that I even remotely consider having a "bad track"..... I put RL in the drive to listen to "Maybe these Boys" to ensure it's position, but ended up starting the disc at the beginning and now I can't convince myself to take it off.... :-) Oh it's gonna be a Churchy day.... :-) And the fact that the song I woke up to today was "Under The Milky Way" of course only solidifies the fact.... Back to the listening.... -m From mosk Tue Jan 24 09:13 PST 1995 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: My least favourite songs Here's my list..... 1. Maybe These Boys - I hate the rhythm of this song. I feel like I am at some cabaret show.... 2. Night of Light - As close to Neil Diamond as they ever come.... I cringe everytime the violins come in on the refrain. And the trumpets.... Yuk! 3. Youth Worshipper - Another prime example of how they ruined perfectly good songs by trying to give the band an american sound. That horn break towards the end is godawful. And to think that SK arranged both horns and strings on those 2 tracks...He must've hit some bad grass.... Honorable Mentions: Much Too Much - It's just too staccato. The Disillusionist - A good song except for that awful "bar-room" refrain. Angelica - This still doesn't gel with me, although I like the repeating guitar riff right before Marty yells "Angelica I'r Warnt You...r" Forgotten Reign - Due to the awful vocals from Pete. Dream - Due to the awful vocals from Pete. You're Still Beautiful - The refrain has the same effect on me as stroking a cat from tail to head has on a cat... Fssssss...... -morten From mosk Tue Jan 24 11:51 PST 1995 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: worst church productions > From bendaj@belnet.bellevue.k12.wa.us Tue Jan 24 09:45:53 1995 > > > First off, anyone who says that ANY song off of P=A is bad > (except ripple) is sentenced to 10 hours in a room, chained down, > listening to nothing but the new Shampoo EP. I believe I have sinned... Where do I get my Shampoo ep???? :-) -morten From mosk Tue Jan 24 13:19 PST 1995 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: A new thread..... There's been a lot of "worst songs" mail recently, so I think it's time to start a new thread..... I received the new Grant McLennan album "Horsebreaker Star" about a week ago, and I have listened to it a lot... It is an excellent album, and in my opinion there's not a bad track on it. It's a little different style than Watershed (which is the only one I have by him solo) in that he has gone a bit more country since then. Some of the tracks have violin and banjo in the instrumentation, but even tho' it may sound awful, they really add to it. Some of my favourite tracks are "Ice In Heaven", "Coming Up For Air", "Hot Water" and the title track. Some of the songs has more than a shade of Bob Dylan's "Desire" album to them, with the violin and female backup singers as the reference points. I believe the album is to be released soon in the US as a single disc, although I would recommend getting the Australian double release. It's very enjoyable. Another band I have played _a lot_ since Christmas is the debut album by the Norwegian band Weld. Absolutely mesmerizing..... It's a mix of folk rock and grunge with a fairly husky-voiced female vocalist.... I'm not sure if it's released in Europe, but it is on the Parlophone label which is a big thing for a Norwegian band.... -morten From mosk Wed Jan 25 21:17 PST 1995 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: My least favourite songs Yep, I'm catching up on some old mail again.... I think Jose meant for this message to go to the entire list, so I'm forwarding it... I also noticed that a message I sent 2 days ago never ended up on the list. I replied to someone's message put probably forgot to change the "To:" address... Someone posted about receiving 64 messages regarding worst songs, and I added an administrative note about loosing 3 subscribers in one day due to the amount of mail. If someone received that (and still has it), can you please forward it to the list??? Thanks, -m ...and here's Jose's message: ----- Begin Included Message ----- From 4MIJARES_J@spcvxa.spc.edu Tue Jan 24 15:43:46 1995 From: 4MIJARES_J@spcvxa.spc.edu Subject: Re: My least favourite songs X-Vms-To: IN%"Morten.Skjefte@EBay.Sun.COM" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Morten, >Here's my list..... >2. Night of Light - As close to Neil Diamond as they ever come.... I cringe everytime the violins come in on the refrain. And the trumpets.... Yuk! >3. Youth Worshipper - Another prime example of how they ruined perfectly good songs by trying to give the band an american sound. That horn break towards the end is godawful. And to think that SK arranged both horns and strings on those 2 tracks...He must've hit some bad grass.... Wow, one of the reasons I love "Heyday" is the use of horns and strings. I can't recall offhand - except for the HM/HR group UFO - what other groups I have on CD that I get a kick out of the use of horns and strings. There is something a little hokey to "Youth Worshipper" (must be the chorus or something), but overall, I like this song 100 times more than "Tristesse" which IMO is the "worst" track off "Heyday". Question time folks: considering I don't have "Hind- sight" and probably never will because I don't desire to buy it. Which songs are on there (or any other compilation for that matter) that were recorded at the same sessions for "Heyday"? -Jose P.S. Oh, it just occurred to me that a song that I absolutely adore not only because it kicks, but because the use of horns and strings gives it more pi- zzaz (hope I spelled that right): Aerosmith's "You See Me Crying" off "Toys in the Attic". Any '70's Aerosmith fans out there? ----- End Included Message ----- From mosk Wed Jan 25 21:23 PST 1995 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Church Magazine? I have no idea what this is, but it seems like some British Church magazine. Maybe someone in the Uk are familiar with this? I find $18 for 4 issues a bit steep, but it of course depends on how good the mag is.... -morten ----- Begin Included Message ----- From scallaghan@cix.compulink.co.uk Tue Jan 24 14:17:11 1995 From: scallaghan@cix.compulink.co.uk (Sarah Callaghan) Subject: To : Morten/Vernon Cc: scallaghan@cix.compulink.co.uk, vernon@cs.cmu.edu Hi, My name is Paul Callaghan...A CHURCH fan I am. However, I seem to employ the World's biggest CHURCH fan, ie. NICK LEESE. If you know a bigger fan, let me know, I don't think you will find one ! He (NICK LEESE), has asked me to to impart the following information... I must add, since "He" and Mr. Boyd do not seem to be INTERNET connected, I will be their mediator in the "Interim". *BUT*, I must stress I am not the *connection* for the following address... However, I will pass on any E-Mail forwarded to me. I would be happier if you deal direct with the following address, and, perhaps persuade the buggers to go On-Line ! So here goes...Message as dictated... "Greetings, I would like to make you aware of a CHURCH fanzine 'NORTH ,SOUTH, EAST & WEST', available from... TREVOR BOYD 69, HOCKLIFFE ROAD, LEIGHTON BUZZARD, BEDS.,LU7 8JR, ENGLAND. Issue 1, out now, issue 2 to follow shortly. Readers in U.S.A. may send $18 cash for 4 issues. Cheques must be in sterling and drawable on a U.K. bank (include IRC)." Ok, so that's how it is. I've done my bit, now you do your bit and....SUBSCRIBE ! Yours Mr. Floppy Pissy Head... Church and David Crosby fan...oh yes, I too have my God, sorry Mr. Kilby... Wibble...;) ----- End Included Message ----- From mosk Thu Jan 26 12:46 PST 1995 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: Radio Show > From BROWNKB@ml.wpafb.af.mil Thu Jan 26 09:20:44 1995 > > I just got a copy of a live radio show that the Church did in (I believe > June 94) in California. The following is the Track Listing. The Show is > at a Radio Station with just Marty and Steve. Not very much dialog, > because when the station manager ask them if they would like to say > anything. Steve repley we'll let the music do the talking. > Does anyone know what the first song is: > > TRACK LISTING > > > 1 - (I don't know, it's not on any of there albums that I know of) > > > Kelly > > The first song on the broadcast was "Ritz", a song written by Steve Harley and originally released in '74 on Cockney Rebel's "The Psychomodo" album. Steve and Marty did a very good version of it I think, and I hope they play it on Monday and Wednesday..... The radio show your talking about here is of course the KFOG show recorded at the Plant in Sausalito, California. It is also listed in the discography. -morten From mosk Fri Jan 27 08:44 PST 1995 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: Transaction.... > From stoneg@a1wotvax.wotvax.rdgmts.MTS.dec.com Fri Jan 27 06:23:32 1995 > > err, what's all this about 'no such thing' ?? > > My copy of 'Transaction' is a 12inch single - silver/grey cover, with a sort of > grey-scale image of someone (SK?) in a hat, holding a wad of notes.... > > Graham > Oh yes, that's Our Main Man counting all his dough.... :-) The 12" single was the original "Transaction" release. It was added to the UK releases (and subsequent Oz releases?) of "the Slow Crack" . The "No such thing ep" was released in conjunction with Remindlessness. As Dick said, Transaction is the first track and since the "No such thing ep" title is only printed on the CD itself, it is often referred to as "Transaction". Come to think of it, I should probably make a note of that in the discography. 1989 4:19 Transaction 4:36 Consider Yourself Conquered 4:40 Like A Ghost 2:29 Song of Solomon 12" Red Eye RED 19 (Australia) 1990 No Such Thing EP 4:24 Transaction 2:45 Random Pan 2:43 Pain In My Temples 3:56 No Such Thing CD5 Red Eye Records RED CDEP 20 877343-2 (Australia) -morten From mosk Wed Feb 1 02:06 PST 1995 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Palo Alto show To all of you that will be at the Palo Alto show tonight, I'll be wearing a Starfish t-shirt and carrying a bag of record covers. It is safe to assume I'll be very close to the stage..... Please come by and say hi, I really want to meet all of you local guys and gals.... The SF show was of course nothing short of amazing. I'll be posting more details of the concert itself (unless someone else beats me to it), my pre-concert brush with greatness and the backstage chatter afterwards.... See you at the show tonight.... -morten From mosk Fri Feb 3 09:11 PST 1995 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: acoustic shows > From TAOBERLY@delphi.com Thu Feb 2 22:38:14 1995 > > How many California shows have there been so far...at least two, right? 4. Sacramento, San Francisco, Palo Alto, Long Beach (?) and then San Diego tonight (is that correct?) > And there have only been about two posts from people who were there. I'm working on it.... > There have to be some more stories about the shows and the band...let's > hear 'em! (Or did Marty invite all of you out drinking after the show > and you're all still recovering? ;-) > I'm definetely recovering. 2 nights of going to bed at 3:00 am and up at 6:00 am has taken it's toll on my old body.... I'll try to get my review /stories out sometime this weekend (at the latest) > -Todd > > P.S. I apologize for the 'interent research' post. I sent that at 3:00 > in the morning, when even the most explicit instructions get lost on me > ...I must have clipped my TO: address from the TO: field instead of from > the FROM: field... Tsk..tsk.... :-) From mosk Tue Feb 7 12:40 PST 1995 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: SF and PA concerts (long) It's taken me several days to type this in. It's probably too detailed and all that jazz, but that's just the way it is... It's what I heard, saw & learned, so here we go: I attended last Monday's San Francisco gig with Matthew Green (mrg) from Australia and his girlfriend Monica.... We showed up fairly early and managed to get a front row table. As we were sitting there, some guy were distributing some flyers for a British Church magazine. He put only one on our table, so I asked him if I could have another copy. "Sure" he replied and handed me one. Just as he left, Matthew leans over and says "Steve just walked by." "Where? When?" I asked. "Right behind you, when you were talking to Marty". "Marty? What do you mean I was talking to Marty?" "That was Marty handing out the flyers" Matthew said with a grin. I felt pretty stupid after such a brush with greatness without even recognizing it.... The opening act "Me Jane" was ok, but heck, who pays attention to support bands when you know Steve and Marty are in the house? The Church came on around 9:30pm and opened with the Cockney Rebel song "Ritz". Mmmmmmmmmm...... "Shadow Cabinet", "Tristesse" and "Mistress" were next, all delivered to a tee. Steve seemed his usual aloof self, but Marty seemed to enjoy himself quite a bit... Steve introduced "Providence" with "This one's for my sister...." And what a version they delivered. Marty really took off on this one, with a great solo and some wonderful fill-in licks. Even though he was playing his 12-string Takamime acoustic all through the set, it sounded like he had several different guitars at his disposal. The sounds this man can get with the help of some effects pedals are just amazing... Next came "Will I Start To Bleed?" and "Grind", followed by a short improvised version of "House Of The Rising Sun". "Month Of Sundays" was followed by "Almost With You". I didn't notice whether Marty played the solo on this in San Francisco, but he definetely didn't play it in Palo Alto. Strange, as I don't think it should be too difficult for Marty to adapt Pete's solo. "Don't Look Back" and "My Little Problem" were followed by another cover song, this time "Life's A Gas" from T.Rex's "Electric Warrior". Marc Bolan's songs fits Steve's singing style very well, and I really liked this version. The obligatory "Under The Milky Way" was followed by a very funny, spoken version of Free's "All Right Now". Steve delivered it with obvious disgust for the lyrics, to which Marty replied something like "so how come you know them so well?". "10,000 Miles" was next, and it was nothing short of fantastic. As Dave noted in his Sacramento review, Marty's right hand moves as fast as a hummingbird.... On this song, it was almost impossible to distinguish Marty's hand. I almost expected it to fly off at any time. Steve jammed pretty heavily on his guitar too, and they built the song to a climax, stopped for a tenth of a second and then went straight back into the refrain. The crowd was roaring..... I'm really looking forward to hearing the tape of that song.... "The next song is a Swedish one" said Steve. "It's called "Natten Ar Jattemjuk". I was actually a bit disappointed when I realized it was "The Night Is Very Soft" they had introduced this way....I was really hoping for a Swedish song. :-) On "Hotel Womb" Marty pulled of yet another incredible solo. By this time there was no doubt who the most incredible guitar-player in the world is, and there was no doubt that he was having a great day and a good time too. Amazing..... The last song was "Is This Where You Live?" which I was kind of surprised that they even thought about covering acoustically. It worked very well actually. The encores were "Constant In Opal" and "Reptile". Needless to say, it was over much too fast, even though they played for about 90 mins. Due to a major security glitch (they forgot to guard the door) about 20 people went backstage afterwards. On my way down Steve comes walking back up and when I tried to flag him down, he said "I'll be back, I'm just going to get my guitar". Apparently the tour did not include many (if any) roadies... Down in the dressing room Marty was tying his shoelaces (or something) when someone from the crowd said "Hi Marty, how are you?" "I'm doing pretty good" Marty replied as he slowly looked up and noticed the people at the door, "...except I am going to kill someone in a couple of minutes..." "Do you need any help?" was the quick reply. Who said San Franciscans aren't helpful??? :-) Right afterwards Marty pointed at me (at least it looked like it) and said "You, mate!!!!" I nervously stepped forward and asked if he would mind signing some autographs. "Oh sure, no problem" he said. I fumbled so much with the bag I had that Marty grabbed the bag with me and started shaking it too. I finally managed to get the covers out of the bag. When Marty found out I was Norwegian he smiled and started talking Swedish to me. He talked Swedish the rest of the time. I asked him about new releases from him, but I think he misunderstood, because he said "we don't even have a contract at the moment". He seemed pretty upset about it. Steve interrupted us by asking Marty if he had his guitar. "Yes, it's right here..." Then he pointed at me, telling Steve I spoke Swedish. "That's nice" was Steve's reply.... When Marty was done, I approached Steve and noticed that he also was talking Swedish to somebody. I introduced myself and told him that he had replied to a couple of the letters I sent him. "Great", he said, "why don't you send me another and I'll post you back". I told him there is already one waiting for him when he gets back. I handed Steve the covers with "Narcosis" on top and someone asked me what it was. "His best solo work" I said. "It is" agreed Steve, "and here's my second best" he continued as he pulled out the "Remindlessness" cover. I asked him what his involvement with Fake was, and he said "I'm one third of it". When I asked if Karen was involved, He said "no, no, no, it's not Karen. The other two are just some studio musicians. Just some studio musicians..." I also asked him if he would play on the next Margot Smith album, but truth is I didn't understand what he said and I didn't pursue it further. It sounded like a "no" though, which I dearly hope is incorrect..... There were some idle banter afterwards but not much of interest. Marty did ask me to show some of his solo-albums to one of the other fans who hadn't seen any of his solo albums. And Marty claimed he hadn't heared "Almost Yesterday" yet. I spent most of the train-ride home looking at my signed covers.... :-) The concert in Palo Alto was somewhat a repeat of Monday's concert, at least song-wise. Steve seemed in a lot better mood, and Marty was about the same as in San Francisco. However, the deliveries never matched the SF concert, something I think can be blamed on Marty having some technical difficulties with his effects pedal. His guitar lost volume when he played his soli, and he was checking the speakers several times. This held him back some, and therefore the show never got that extra little spark. Steve played a few bars of "Sound of Silence" which he credited Simon and Garfuck-knuckle. He also asked "How are you all doing tonight" to which the (very exstatic) crowd went nuts, to which Steve replied "It was just a joke." After "A Month Of Sundays" he said "it's all coming back to me now...." They did 2 encores this time, as Marty thriumphantly came back onstage with another effects box saying something like "we'll see what this one can do". They played "Myrrh" and then the Neil Young song "Cortez the Killer". And on this one Marty finally took off and played a version I think Neil Young would have been very proud of. Amazing. It was not easy to get bacstage after the show, but I had brought with me an e-mail from a friend of theirs and with it's help, Paul Webb and I managed to get backstage. There really wasn't a whole lot going on when we got back there. Steve was about to leave for his hotelroom with a couple of ladies and Marty was about to discuss with the club management the amount of money they were going to get. I assume from this that they were getting a cut from the money they brought in. As Steve was walking out, Marty commented to Steve (in Swedish) on his choice of companions for the night. "Sssh..." Steve said, "pointed at me and said "he speaks Swedish!" "I know" Marty replied, "that's why I said it". Marty looked at me and grinned from ear to ear.... Marty also displayed his linguistic (?) abilities by explaining (in spanish) the meaning of the song "Kiss You To Death" to one of the ladies. At the same time as he taught her how to say "I love you" in Swedish. He also said he could speak German and French. Shortly afterwards he was called in to a sideroom to discuss money..... Oh, yeah, and he also mentioned (as Paul wrote) that he has a new girlfriend, Zoe, who's "blunt but nice" :-) It was good to see them again, and especially at the San Francisco concert I was really impressed at how good they were just the 2 of them. I also enjoyed meeting them. Marty was very friendly and outgoing, Steve was reserved but polite. The saddest part though was to realize the fact that these incredible musicians now are reduced to a small bar-act, that have to set up their own gear, hand out flyers and hassle with managemnet about getting paid. There just is no fairness in this business, is there???? -morten From mosk Wed Feb 8 13:20 PST 1995 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: earthed > From ekm0001@jove.acs.unt.edu Tue Feb 7 20:06:23 1995 > > Well, I just picked up my copy of "The Slow Crack" this weekend, > and while browsing the discography, I noticed the remark on the limited > printings of the book from "earthed." This seemed quite surprising when > i saw in my recent Ryko catalog (i got it last week) that the book was still > offered with the CD version. So I just wanted to point it out to the few > out there that it's still available stateside for $18 US directly from Ryko. > The Ryko copy is easy to get hold of, the limited edition doesn't seem to be very limited (or maybe the initial pressing never sold out). The original book was in the A5 format (5"x8.5"), and was printed in 2,000 copies by Steve himself. The last 50 copies were offered to this list a while back. I have re-worded the dicography blurb to reflect this. > Sorry to hear about Mort's misinterpretation of Marty's Swedish for his next > solo album. I'll be waiting with my thumbs crossed. > It was more Marty misunderstanding a "you", taking it as plural and taking it to mean the Church...... > later, > mark > -morten From mosk Mon Feb 13 09:43 PST 1995 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Guitar gods > From james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Sun Feb 12 18:13:32 1995 y, > >no contest!), so perhaps we can give him the title of "Best 12-string > >player"? > > With Roger McGuinn still around? And George Harrison? > > Let's just say he'd make the top 3! Sacrilege, I know :) NO WAY!!!! I love George's guitar work, but there's no way in heaven he could produce anything close to what Marty did in San Francisco. Sorry..... McGuinn??? Yeah, he played in the Byrds, but heck, they used Rickenbackers back then.... I haven't heard much of his recent stuff, but I seriously doubt he could beat him too.... Now, as for Marty being a guitar-god, I don't know. He would probably fall short compared to say Clapton. Marty did play a couple of sour notes too, something Slow-hand hasn't done since 1962 or so... The thing about guitar-gods is that they are mostly judged on the amount of npm's (notes per minute) they can produce, which in my ears never accounts for a good guitar solo. If gg's were measured on beauty, melodic sense and feeling, the top three would be Clapton, Marty and Tom Verlaine..... Satriani and the likes would be playing on the street corners.... :-) Ok, ok, so I'm biased! :-) -morten From mosk Mon Feb 13 09:46 PST 1995 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: Desert Island Disc > From iy17@jove.acs.unt.edu Mon Feb 13 06:14:05 1995 > > There's only one. > > > > > "The Sign" -- Ace of Base >> > christopher > Oh, I hope your Island is planets away from mine!!!!! :-) :-) -morten From mosk Mon Feb 13 11:39 PST 1995 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Did's Since I can't swim, I probably never would end up on an island surrounded by water.... I therefore ask you to regard this list as what I would bring with me if I was stranded at the Dessert Island at some good restaurant..... Church - Of Skins And Heart Always sends chills down my spine. Even when there's chocolate pudding in sight.... Television - Marquee Moon Represents the "art" in my collection. This is Salvador Dali with guitars. Beatles - Revolver The first album I ever owned, and still as good as it was when "Paul, John, George, Ringo" were the only English words I knew. Icicle Works - The Icicle Works (first album) Overblown and melodramatic and utterly brilliant. Love - Forever Changes The real Sgt. Pepper album. Let's Active - Afoot/Cypress (thank God they are on one disk) As close to the Beatles as any US band came. Mitch Easter is an awesome guitarist/songwriter/producer. Sound - Heads And Hearts Brilliant, underrated Uk band that can wrench your head and heart with the best of them. I'll play this one when the aforementioned pudding runs out.... Triffids - Calenture The atmosphere on this album is incredible. A masterpiece. Clouds - Penny Century My kind of dance music. I'll be slam-dancing 'til I hit the sneeze-guard..... Erik Berglund (Elariul) - Elysium, Abode of Angels This album is indescribable. It transcends everything in this world and literally transports you to where the Angels eat dessert. Triple chocolate mousse pie. My Dessert Island literature would be "11:11" by Solara. Just when you thought you had a grip on the world around you.... :-) I know we only get 10 discs, so I have to smuggle this in with the book, because this is the perfect background music for it. Constance Demby - Novus Magnificat (Through The Stargate) Come to think of it, I could actually live without all those disks if the restaurant had a piano-player, and his name was John Mazzei (Etherium). But that's a story for another dimension.... -morten From mosk Tue Feb 14 08:30 PST 1995 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: DID ? > From kwr08495@cs.acu.edu Mon Feb 13 23:26:20 1995 > > Did anyone else on this list get into The Blue Aeroplanes based on > seeing them open for the Church like I did? > > That is the only opening act I have ever seen where I went out and > bought the album based on their performance. > > -karl. > I remember telling myself to check them out after I saw them open for the Church. I never actually did until some dude in Australia (oh, hi mrg) recorded a few songs on a tape for me. Great band! -morten From mosk Wed Feb 22 13:05 PST 1995 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: T-shirts Ok, I guess I have to throw my 2 pennies in the ring...... I am also opposing the broken angel as the image. It has been used to death on several of their releases. And besides, we all know the Church are more than the Unguarded Moment, which is what I associate that picture with.... I also think there may be copyright infringements. Isn't there someone out there that has a decent original photo that can be used? I have a small collage on my wall of pictures taken by a friend of mine at the concert in Oslo in '88. I suppose I could scan in those.... Or someone may already have some others scanned in.... Or someone could do a drawing of them or something. Maybe even an image based on a lyric snippet, like "...statues of Sharon Stone" or "...cameras for eyes" or something like that.... Something that would draw attention.... I also envision the shirt to be black (although god knows I have enough black t-shirts) with seance@the.... written in blue letters (blue like the alternate Seance cover) Writing on the back: "Wish you knew what you were looking for.... we would know what you could find...." :-) -morten From mosk Thu Feb 23 10:57 PST 1995 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: REMINDLESSNESS > From wism@kalikka.jyu.fi Thu Feb 23 10:33:27 1995 > > Is any body interested in ordering a copy of 'Remindlessness'? > > If we got together the number of people who would order, and > then ordered them from Australia, that we would have a good > chance to get them. > > If you are interested, could you e-mail me personally. I will > then find a person in Australia or America to handle the > collecting of the money and mailing. Is there anyone living in > Sidney? If I try to handle the collecting and mailing, there will > be those stupid EU customs. > > So let me know. > > Bill > > wism@jyu.fi > Bill (and others who are interested), It can be done much easier than that.... You can order it directly from Red Eye Records in Sydney. If you have a credit card, they'll take that. Or you can send them a international money order / bank draft. I have dealt with Red Eye a lot and I have very good experiences with them. Here's the address / info you need: Red Eye Records GPO Box 211 Sydney 2001 Australia ph 61-2-233-8177 fax 61-2-223-5219 If you have more questions, e-mail me privately..... Happy Hunting.... -morten PS. I have no record of Ken Sabatini requesting to be added. Have him resend his request please. From mosk Wed Mar 1 13:17 PST 1995 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: Tshirt ... > From pe@daisy.flow.kth.se Mon Feb 27 02:22:58 1995 > > I wote for this one to ! > > "Close to you, hear all you say/Even though you're continents away" > > Per. > This one is good (2nd best), but people may not get the e-mail reference.... My favorite so far is: > From ThomasIrv@aol.com Fri Feb 24 14:53:15 1995 > On the lyrical side, I LOVE "software sings and hardware hears." There should be no doubt what this is all about..... What song is that from btw? -morten From mosk Thu Mar 2 08:43 PST 1995 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Administrative Babble > From pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Mon Feb 27 10:18:29 1995 > > A lot of people have been asking about lyric files, and not being able to > access them via ftp. Seeing as I posted most of the lyrics at ftp.uwp.edu, > I have copies of them all. Everything up to P=A is complete, SA & SE still > have a few holes, plus ther e are b-sides and solo albums. If people are > interested, they can mail me directly, and I'll send copies out. They are > continually updated whenever anything new hits me (I just got another line > from Texas Moon on saturday :). So feel free to ask for specific requests, > or for the whole thing. > -paul > There have been some requests for both the lyrics and a collection of the tabs posted. I'll be more than happy to set up autoresponders for these also. The only problem is that I don't have much time to sit down and actually create/sort/update these files. If someone would be willing to maintain these files and send me complete, updated files every now and then, that would be great. Paul, do you think this is a good idea? Or would you prefer that I just put your address in the FAQ? Eve, was that you voluntering a while back to send me a file of the tabs? It would also ease the administrative pain if tabs/articles/reviews were posted with subject headings in caps. That way it could be easily sorted and dropped into a file..... I am hoping to have some time soon to update the Articles/Reviews files also, and I will put a note in the FAQ's about Narcosis and Sing Songs. And there are a few more items to put in the discography.... I am taking a class this week so I am not quite on top of all the e-mail at the moment... I think I have about 30 more seance messages to get through.... I'm hoping to get back on track soon.... -morten From mosk Thu Mar 2 08:50 PST 1995 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: Tshirt ... > From BSmith@VCOMTELC.TELECOM.com.au Wed Mar 1 19:25:22 1995 > > > KINGS !!! You're expelled from the group ! No t-shirt for you, blasphemer > ! > > Brian > Aw shucks!!! Busted!!! ***Tries to get away from the search lights *** Ok, ok, I admit it. I have no idea who the Church are... Skil..who??? ***unsub mosk@thechurch*** *mutters:* Sheesh, you step in one doodoo and it's the penalty box forever.... -m From nathan@abc.gov.au Mon Jan 9 18:18 PST 1995 From: nathan@abc.gov.au Subject: Hi all...introducing myself Hi to all Church fans on the net, I'm a long time Church addict and didn't realise they had that much international support...but its good to see! I got in to the Church early in my life..thanks to my elder siblings making me watch the Australian national Countdown show...yes it was back in 1980, with Unguarded Moment...I guess I didn't really get into them until 1985/86 when Heyday was released...I subsequently bought all the old LPs, EPs and so on... I've also got a good collection of their solo stuff, particular Steve's... Well, my favourite album is 'Heyday', which is my favourite of any band of all time. To me, that album encompassed what I call the 'early Church', in that it is about as close to perfect as there sound at the time could go. To me this album is still timeless, it does not sound like a mid-80s album. But then again, I am biased, 'cos that was when I really discovered them... 'Tantalized' is my fave off that album, and I'd toss up between it and 'Almost With You' off Blurred Crusade as my favourite song. My favourite solo album is Steve's 'Unearthed', which has some really magical moments for me, particularly 'Othertime'. Incidentally, have any of you read Steve's book of prose/poetry 'Earthed', that was kinda meant to go with the album of the same name? I thought it was a pretty good match myself, if a bit introspective at times (sorry!). I also am personally grateful to Steve for playing a solo show at the Three Weeds pub in Rozelle, Sydney, last April. It was there that I first met my girlfriend, who was also a longtime Church fan from Seattle...thanks Steve! Bye for now, Nathan. --------------------------- ^___^ Nathan O'Neill ( ) DSP Design Engineer ( o o ) ABC, Sydney, Australia ( " ) email: nathan@abc.gov.au ( o ) --------------------------- '-' From nathan@abc.gov.au Thu Jan 12 20:45 PST 1995 From: nathan@abc.gov.au Subject: Re: Two pennies worth...shoved in !! On Thu, 12 Jan 1995, Nicole Hall wrote: > article where SK was saying that he much prefers music when he doesn't > know anything about the singer or how the songs came to be...and that he > didn't want to be making alot of info public (ie. lyrics on the liner > notes, etc). That's interesting, 'cos in the booklet which comes with Marty's 'In Reflection', Marty comments that he loves albums with lots to read. I wonder if the two of them argue about it? --------------------------- ^___^ Nathan O'Neill ( ) DSP Design Engineer ( o o ) ABC, Sydney, Australia ( " ) email: nathan@abc.gov.au ( o ) --------------------------- '-' From nathan@abc.gov.au Sat Jan 21 14:23 PST 1995 From: nathan@abc.gov.au Subject: TBT lyrics Actually, while we're on the subject of one of the most interesting Church songs, I'd like to comment on a couple of lines from the song. About 7 or 8 years ago, during the height of my heavy science fiction addiction, I was up at 2 or 3 in the morning watching the film adaption of Ray Bradbury's "The Illustrated Man". Anyway, at one point in the middle of it, the main character says, "She lived in the future, She lived in the past, She gave it all to me." At which point I sat up and thought, "Steve, Steve, you've been stealing lyrics!". For those of you who don't recognise it, these lines are used, directly, in Travel By Thought. Of course, if anything, this revelation only gave me greater interest in the song. Actually, if you see the movie you'll notice that it fits in well with the song! Another comment on why the song may stand out on Seance. If you look at the writing credits, you'll notice it's the only song where the music was written by the band as a whole, probably during a late-night session at Studio 301. Thus it's gonna have a very different feel to the 'Kilbey' songs. Nathan. --------------------------- ^___^ Nathan O'Neill ( ) Ever noticed how DSP Design Engineer ( o o ) your event horizon ABC, Sydney, Australia ( " ) is equal to the email: nathan@abc.gov.au ( o ) use-by date on the --------------------------- '-' milk? From nathan@abc.gov.au Tue Jan 24 16:53 PST 1995 From: nathan@abc.gov.au Subject: Least listened to song... Well, I don't believe any song is really terrible. The only song I've ever skipped has been 'Maybe These Boys'...sometimes I can't stand the melody, rhythm and fake(?) horn sound...I mean you have to ask yourself just what were they thinking? > the other songs on GAF which lack a certain something. Anybody else out "there" > agree with me on this point: I believe GAF is a solid record overall, but it > seems their's something drastically missing. My hunch is that the fault lies not > in the stars, but in the production values. :) Some of the songs need a boost Yes, I agree totally its the production, rather than the songs themselves. All of the Waddy Wachtel produced albums have no jangle (IMHO)... the guitars have been toned down, and just don't have that high frequency aura about them. How often do you here an electric 12-string??? This is not necessarily a bad thing..it's really up to your personal tastes...however (and I'm going to cop a lot of flack over this), I personally think that the Church should never have used Wachtel, with his LA background...I just don't think he let them mature out of their earlier stuff naturally. Rather, he changed their sound to fit in with West Coast U.S. attitudes (well, only Californian really). Of course, I still love those albums, but in a totally different way to the pre-Starfish material. And 'Grind' is probably my favourite off GAF. Its especially good if you're playing guitar along with it..and the acoustic version is even better, I reckon. At least you can't tone down an acoustic guitar without making it sound like crap. ;-) Nathan. --------------------------- ^___^ Nathan O'Neill ( ) Ever noticed how DSP Design Engineer ( o o ) your event horizon ABC, Sydney, Australia ( " ) is equal to the email: nathan@abc.gov.au ( o ) use-by date on the --------------------------- '-' milk? From nathan@abc.gov.au Tue Jan 24 19:51 PST 1995 From: nathan@abc.gov.au Subject: RE: worst church productions/Remote Luxury Jason Benda > "Remote Luxury" is a horrible instrumental How can you possibly say this? 'Remote Luxury', to me, is a beautiful piece of work, and conjures up many images with its melancholy feel. The fruity chords and progression make it one of my favourites, and being an intsrumental does not detract from its worth at all. Nathan. --------------------------- ^___^ Nathan O'Neill ( ) Ever noticed how DSP Design Engineer ( o o ) your event horizon ABC, Sydney, Australia ( " ) is equal to the email: nathan@abc.gov.au ( o ) use-by date on the --------------------------- '-' milk? From nathan@abc.gov.au Tue Jan 31 18:01 PST 1995 From: nathan@abc.gov.au Subject: Re: Sheet Music > Given the LARGE amount of Church songs (solo incl.) and the widely varied taste > of the audience members in Church songs, I foresee many a byte of > transcriptions. Ideas? This seems to be something many are interested in. Umm, we could get into trouble here...some type of arbiter may be a good idea as different people may disagree on different songs. And what do we do about integral lead-lines and riffs, without which a song would be drab (e.g. Almost With You, Reptile, Tristesse)? Guitar tablature will work for most of the stuff, though some may prefer more... I have played along to most of the Church stuff, except probably P=A and SA. If there are any songs in need of transcribing, I would be happy to contribute. And if you can, I suggest playing the solo in Almost With You, on a classical guitar...it's well worth the sensation. Trivia: There is a line from a song off 'Of Skins and Heart' repeated in a song off 'Seance'. Name the line and the songs. Nathan. --------------------------- ^___^ Nathan O'Neill ( ) Ever noticed how DSP Design Engineer ( o o ) your event horizon ABC, Sydney, Australia ( " ) is equal to the email: nathan@abc.gov.au ( o ) use-by date on the --------------------------- '-' milk? From nathan@abc.gov.au Thu Feb 9 17:39 PST 1995 From: nathan@abc.gov.au Subject: RE: WWW seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM > Can someone post where the Church web page is? There is one isn't there? > I vaguely remember someone talking about that last year. http://www.cs.cmu.edu:8001/afs/cs/user/vernon/www/church.html Nathan --------------------------- ^___^ Nathan O'Neill ( ) Ever noticed how DSP Design Engineer ( o o ) your event horizon ABC, Sydney, Australia ( " ) is equal to the email: nathan@abc.gov.au ( o ) use-by date on the --------------------------- '-' milk? From nathan@abc.gov.au Sun Feb 12 15:29 PST 1995 From: nathan@abc.gov.au Subject: Re: Church Chords - Othertime seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM > Othertime (Steve Kilbey -- Unearthed) > C(9) Am F Em G Try an Am7 instead of the Am and an Fmaj7 instead of the F. The C(9) is usually written as Cadd9. Nathan --------------------------- ^___^ Nathan O'Neill ( ) Ever noticed how DSP Design Engineer ( o o ) your event horizon ABC, Sydney, Australia ( " ) is equal to the email: nathan@abc.gov.au ( o ) use-by date on the --------------------------- '-' milk? From nathan@abc.gov.au Sun Feb 12 16:22 PST 1995 From: nathan@abc.gov.au Subject: On 12-strings & Marty's style... > but he's the only guitarist I know of who > uses 12 strings fairly exclusively (OK, well maybe Tom Petty, but hey, > no contest!), so perhaps we can give him the title of "Best 12-string > player"? Ed Kuepper has been playing in his solo manifesto with only an acoustic 12-string for at least the last 5 years...if you've seen or heard him before you may agree that his style is as unique as Marty's. Peter Buck from REM has also played a lot of 12-string guitar, and his 12-string style often reminds me of Marty's. > I wonder how he'd be perceived > if the Church was as big as R.E.M. or something - would he be on the > cover of every guitar magazine imaginable? It seems to me that those > magazines are mostly filled with heavy metal guitarists I do agree that heavy rock and metal guitar-wankers are too often lauded for their apparent abilities. But you have to realise that the Church are a thinking person's band...and Marty is a thinking person's guitarist...and since most of the world doesn't do much thinking it's no surprise bands like the Church are scorned in favour of loud/aggressive/blatant heavy rock & metal bands. Now, that's not to say all heavy bands are bad...but they are simply more popular, and most guitarists try to emulate these rock gods when they get their first electric guitar because that is what is popular. And they're the people who buy Guitar Player magazines anyway... Nathan --------------------------- ^___^ Nathan O'Neill ( ) Ever noticed how DSP Design Engineer ( o o ) your event horizon ABC, Sydney, Australia ( " ) is equal to the email: nathan@abc.gov.au ( o ) use-by date on the --------------------------- '-' milk? From nathan@abc.gov.au Sun Feb 12 16:31 PST 1995 From: nathan@abc.gov.au Subject: more DIDs... Well, I suppose I'll have my say... The Church - Heyday, Blurred Crusade Steve Kilbey - Unearthed, Slow Crack, Ashphelt Eden Ed Kuepper - Electrical Storm, Rooms of the Magnificent Laughing Clowns - Ghost of an Ideal Wife Go-Betweens - Liberty Bell & the Black Diamond Express The Triffids - Born Sandy Devotional Straightjacket Fits - Hail, Melt Sonic Youth - Daydream Nation REM - Murmur Teenage Fan Club - Bandwagonesque Hoodoo Gurus - Stoneage Romeos Nathan --------------------------- ^___^ Nathan O'Neill ( ) Ever noticed how DSP Design Engineer ( o o ) your event horizon ABC, Sydney, Australia ( " ) is equal to the email: nathan@abc.gov.au ( o ) use-by date on the --------------------------- '-' milk? From nathan@abc.gov.au Mon Jan 23 02:41 PST 1995 From: nathan@abc.gov.au (Nathan O'Neill) Subject: 'Philthy' The 'Philthy' who lent the tele (probably to Peter, given his penchant for Fenders) is NOT from Motorhead, nor is it Phil Maher from the Crystal Set. However, I can't remember what his last name is!!! I read it years ago in a review of someone..but I can tell you this: Philthy (or Filthy) was a member of Karin's band, Curious Yellow, in the late 80's. He played on at least one of their releases, 'I Am Curious', an EP/mini-album released in 1988 on yellow coloured vinyl. On the same album Phil Maher is credited with some of the guitar, so he is not the same person...in the photo on the back cover you can clearly see Filthy (left hand top). I saw Curious Yellow a couple of times when they played back then (very rarely)...actually, I just had a look at the record label..and it all came back to me...! Filthy is Phil Hall...anyway, a Kilbey is also credited with some of the mixing, which I assume is Steve, as he produced the record. But then again, they're an incestuous lot those Kilbeys... Nathan. From @msu.edu:nelsonk@egr.msu.edu Mon Jan 23 15:22 PST 1995 Mon, 23 Jan 95 18:22:13 EST X-Sender: nelsonk@egr.msu.edu From: nelsonk@egr.msu.edu (Kirk E. Nelson) Subject: Worst Song Hello everybody. I think the worst song The Church has done, neglecting b-sides, is Maybe These Boys. It is too long, too boring, and I think the lyrics are pretty lame. Otherwise, _Remote_Luxury_ is a great album (well, it's an album in the U.S. at least). By the way, Travel By Thought is certainly not my favorite track on _Seance_, but it's not too bad. I think the best is Electric. Favorite song: Myrrh Favorite album: Heyday Favorite Kilbey Album: Remindlessness Favorite Kilbey song: Judgement Day That just about covers it. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kirk Nelson "Here in this desert, beneath the sun and stars/ Still troubled by the rumbling of http://web.egr.msu.edu/~nelsonk a million distant cars" -The Church From @msu.edu:nelsonk@egr.msu.edu Mon Jan 23 15:32 PST 1995 Mon, 23 Jan 95 18:31:40 EST X-Sender: nelsonk@egr.msu.edu From: nelsonk@egr.msu.edu (Kirk E. Nelson) Subject: Re: Worst songs James Dignan wrote: >Well the only Church track I regularly shuttle past is the "The >Disillusionist", even though otherwise I (gasp!) really like the P=A album >(Kings would be one of my favourite Church tracks). "The Disillusionist" is one of my favorites off P=A! Well I guess this was bound to happen. By the way, my alltime favorite album is Straitjacket Fits _Hail_. From your neck of the woods, I believe. -Kirk -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kirk Nelson "Here in this desert, beneath the sun and stars/ Still troubled by the rumbling of http://web.egr.msu.edu/~nelsonk a million distant cars" -The Church From @msu.edu:nelsonk@egr.msu.edu Mon Jan 23 19:24 PST 1995 Mon, 23 Jan 95 22:23:27 EST X-Sender: nelsonk@egr.msu.edu From: nelsonk@egr.msu.edu (Kirk E. Nelson) Subject: Re: Worst Church Song... >How about this: > >Anyone happen to have any reliable info on our Boys' favorite bands? > >Don't you all just wonder what bands they sit around & listen to ?? > >p&c > I know MWP has a huge record collection, 10000 sticks in my mind, but this seems unlikely. Anyway, I saw in a recent interview that he is a big fan of Julian Cope. Of course I am too or I wouldn't have remembered. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kirk Nelson "Here in this desert, beneath the sun and stars/ Still troubled by the rumbling of http://web.egr.msu.edu/~nelsonk a million distant cars" -The Church From @msu.edu:nelsonk@egr.msu.edu Fri Feb 10 15:04 PST 1995 Fri, 10 Feb 95 18:02:50 EST X-Sender: nelsonk@egr.msu.edu (Unverified) From: nelsonk@egr.msu.edu (Kirk E. Nelson) Subject: Desert Island Boy, this is a tough decision. It's sure going to suck when that discman runs out of batteries (this ain't Gilligan's Island after all)! I'll try to limit my selection to a dozen: Straitjacket Fits -Hail The Church -Heyday The Chameleons -Script of the Bridge New Order -Lowlife American Music Club -Everclear Julian Cope -Jehovahkill The Verlaines -Ready to Fly Blur -Parklife Echo & The Bunnymen -Ocean Rain The Jam -Setting Sons (this one's too damn short, though) U2 -War Wire -A Bell Is A Cup Make it a baker's dozen: The Wailers -Catch A Fire (for variety) Beer: If I had to choose, Anchor Porter. And, of course, a beautiful, intelligent woman (sorry). -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kirk Nelson "Here in this desert, beneath the sun and stars/ Still troubled by the rumbling of http://web.egr.msu.edu/~nelsonk a million distant cars" -The Church From @msu.edu:nelsonk@egr.msu.edu Sun Feb 26 11:44 PST 1995 Sun, 26 Feb 95 14:42:45 EST X-Sender: nelsonk@egr.msu.edu From: nelsonk@egr.msu.edu (Kirk E. Nelson) Subject: Couplets How about: Emerald haunt in overdrive/ Nightmare descent into Jericho city -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kirk Nelson "Here in this desert, beneath the sun and stars/ Still troubled by the rumbling of http://web.egr.msu.edu/~nelsonk a million distant cars" -The Church From njandrew@genvax.glam.ac.uk Thu Dec 15 09:15 PST 1994 From: njandrew@genvax.glam.ac.uk Subject: Antipodean Double Header X-Vms-To: SMTP%"seance@thechurch.Ebay.Sun.COM" Prompted by the recent blurb about The Triffids on this topic (treason!) I thought I'd write in to see if anyone is interested in a tape of two live broadcasts by the The Triffs and The Church...it was a one hour National broadcast split into two (ie: half hour each) The Church stuff is on the GAF tour and contains as far as I recall (after some xmas good spirit!) N,S,E & W Destination Under the Milky Way Terra Nova Cain Fading Away Reptile and contains some nice Kilbey intros like ' This is being recorded by the BBC so if at the end of each song you could all clap twice, it would sound like there was really something happening!' AND 'Where's my beer glass full of Castlemain XXXX?' The Triffids stuff is circa Calenture I think. Could copy and send for a small fee anyones interested. Quality is obviously GOOD and stereophonic (if your gramophone has the facility) Neil. (in God Awful Britain) From pe@daisy.flow.kth.se Thu Dec 1 03:21 PST 1994 From: pe@daisy.flow.kth.se (P\dr Ekstrand) Subject: Re: drummers I don't agree that Ploog is such a bad drummer. He's actually one of my favourites. He is (was) a 1/4 of the Church sound with his personal and rythmic style. JD may be a technically better drummer and he has is own style which don't sound as "Churchy" as Ploog to me. I think that Priest=Aura is a good album but I miss Ploog's drum style to make it a "real" church album and the new album is definatly something else. It is real stupid to rate music on technical merit. Per From pe@daisy.flow.kth.se Thu Dec 8 01:18 PST 1994 From: pe@daisy.flow.kth.se (P\dr Ekstrand) Subject: Re: Church in Uppsala Joakim, I also attended the concert. Do you know what the opening song was ? Per. From pe@daisy.flow.kth.se Thu Dec 8 07:06 PST 1994 From: pe@daisy.flow.kth.se (P\dr Ekstrand) Subject: Vote 2 Favorite SK Album: The Slow Crack Favorite SK Songs: Something that means something , Forgetfulness , Nonapology Favorite PK Album: Manchild and myth (My altime favorite album, discovered this after many many many ... times listening to it, it grows better and better every time) Favorite PK Songs: Our quest , These Three Things , I Wonder I haven't heard all MWP's solos so I skipp this vote. Per. From pe@daisy.flow.kth.se Thu Dec 8 08:04 PST 1994 From: pe@daisy.flow.kth.se (P\dr Ekstrand) Subject: Re: Church in Uppsala Rich wrote: >Did both Steve and Marty take turns on lead vocals? Yes, they did ! Maybe I'll get two more chanses to figure out wich song it was, because I will see Steve and Marty this Friday and Saturday in Stockholm ! Per. From pe@daisy.flow.kth.se Fri Dec 9 04:50 PST 1994 From: pe@daisy.flow.kth.se (P\dr Ekstrand) Subject: promo Something for the Discography: 1994 4:24 Two Places at Once 4:32 Loveblind 4:59 Leave Your Clothes On 3:46 Eastern CD Arista 74321-20783-2 (Germany, Promo) Per. From pe@daisy.flow.kth.se Fri Dec 16 00:22 PST 1994 From: pe@daisy.flow.kth.se (P\dr Ekstrand) Subject: Re: Antipodean Double Header Hello Neil ! I'm very intrested in your live recordings. I dont have any live recordings with niether The Church or The Triffids. Per. Stockholm Sweden From pe@daisy.flow.kth.se Wed Dec 21 06:59 PST 1994 From: pe@daisy.flow.kth.se (P\dr Ekstrand) Subject: Merry Christmas Hello All ! Not that this has so much to do with the Church, but ...... Merry Christmas ! Per. Tony Parsons, Sydney CSC. IS THERE A SANTA CLAUS ? As a result of an overwhelming lack of requests, and with research help from that renown scientific journal SPY Magazine (January 1990) - I am pleased to present the annual scientific inquiry into Santa Claus. 1) No known species of reindeer can fly. BUT there are 300,000 species of living organisms yet to be classified, and while most of these are insects and germs, this does not COMPLETELY rule out flying reindeer which only Santa has ever seen. 2) There are 2 billion children (persons under 18) in the world. But since Santa doesn't (appear) to handle the Muslim, Hindu, Jewish and Buddhist children, that reduces the workload to 15% of the total - 378 million according to Population Reference Bureau. At an average rate of 3.5 children per household, that's 91.8 million homes. One presumes there's at least one good child in each. 3) Santa has 31 hours of Christmas to work with, thanks to the different time zones and the rotation of the earth, assuming he travels east to west (which seems logical). This works out to 822.6 visits per second. This is to say that for each Christian household with good children, Santa has 1/1000th of a second to park, hop out of the sleigh, jump down the chimney, fill the stockings, distribute the remaining presents under the tree, eat whatever snacks have been left, get back up the chimney, get back into the sleigh and move on to the next house. Assuming that each of these 91.8 million stops are evenly distributed around the eart (which, of course, we know to be false but for the purposes of our calculations we will accept), we are now talking about 0.78 miles per household, a total trip of 75.5 million miles, not counting stops to do what most of us must do at least once every 31 hours, plus feeding and etc. This means that Santa's sleigh is moving at 650 miles per second, 3,000 times the speed of sound. For purposes of comparison, the fastest man-made vehicle on earth, the Ulysses space probe, moves at a poky 27.4 miles per second. A conventional reindeer can run, tops, 15 miles per hour. 4) The payload on the sleigh adds another interesting element. Assuming that each child gets nothing more than a medium-sized lego set (2 pounds), the sleigh is carrying 321,300 tons, not counting Santa, who is invariably described as overweight. On land, conventional reindeer can pull no more than 300 pounds. Even granting that "flying reindeer" could pull TEN TIMES the normal anoint, we cannot do the job with eight, or even nine. We need 214,200 reindeer. This increases the payload to 353,430 tons, not counting the weight of the sleigh. Again, for comparison, this is four times the weight of the Queen Elizabeth. 5) 353,000 tons traveling at 650 miles per second creates enormous air resistance. This will heat the reindeer up in the same fashion as spacecrafts re-entering the earth's atmosphere. The lead pair of reindeer will absorb 14.3 QUINTILLION joules of energy per second. In short, they will burst into flames almost instantaneously, exposing the reindeer behind them, and create deafening sonic booms in their wake. The entire reindeer team will be vaporized within 4.26 thousandths of a second. Santa, meanwhile, will be subjected to centrifugal forces 17,500 times greater than gravity. A 250 pound Santa (which seems ludicrously slim) would be pinned to the back of his sleigh by 4,315,015 pounds of force. In conclusion. If Santa ever DID deliver presents on Christmas Eve, he's dead now...... From pe@daisy.flow.kth.se Fri Jan 20 09:27 PST 1995 From: pe@daisy.flow.kth.se (P\dr Ekstrand) Subject: Re RE: First Post Seance is also my favourite album and I like Travel by Thought very much. In my opinion Electric Lash shouldn't have been on that album, I don't think it fit in with the other songs, I think they should have put Autom soon on it instead. Per. From pe@daisy.flow.kth.se Mon Jan 23 02:05 PST 1995 From: pe@daisy.flow.kth.se (P\dr Ekstrand) Subject: Philthy Could't Philthy be Phil Maher of the Crystal Set ? Per. From pe@daisy.flow.kth.se Wed Jan 25 01:13 PST 1995 From: pe@daisy.flow.kth.se (P\dr Ekstrand) Subject: Worst SonG My vot for worst song: 1) The Disillusionist - Owful song doesen't sound like a Church song to me. 2) Maybe These Boys - I agree with Morten on this one. 3) Russian Autumn Heart - Unlike many of you it seems I really dislike Marty's voice I thimk that any of the songs I think that I dislike this one the most. Atending the Acoustic Shows here in Stockholm and Upsala really revealed the huge difference in Steve's and Marty's singing, much more than when they where backed up with drums and .... I don't like Peters vocals as much as Steve's either but I like it much more than Marty's, I just love songs like A New Season and As You Will. Per. From pe@daisy.flow.kth.se Mon Feb 13 01:11 PST 1995 From: pe@daisy.flow.kth.se (P\dr Ekstrand) Subject: RE: Tristesse I tought that Tristesse was an english word as well. My interpetation of it is more like boredom than sadness. At least that is the meaning of it in Swedish .... Per. From pe@daisy.flow.kth.se Mon Feb 27 02:23 PST 1995 From: pe@daisy.flow.kth.se (P\dr Ekstrand) Subject: Re: Tshirt ... I wote for this one to ! "Close to you, hear all you say/Even though you're continents away" Per. From pe@daisy.flow.kth.se Fri Mar 3 05:26 PST 1995 From: pe@daisy.flow.kth.se (P\dr Ekstrand) Subject: Secret Corners Thanks to all who contibuted with Guitar Tabs ! Is there anyone of that have Secret Corners figured out ? Per. From pmcohen@netaxs.com Tue Dec 6 21:42 PST 1994 X-Authentication-Warning: netaxs.com: Host slip-91.netaxs.com claimed to be gw4dx2-66v X-Sender: pmcohen@access.netaxs.com From: pmcohen@netaxs.com (Paul Cohen) Subject: Re: hindsight >is there anything on hindsight, that i, loyal church aficianado that i am, >need to have, meaning, not on anything i own...which is : all the domestic >release (US) albums (meaning art form, not media. I own CDs)? in other >words, is it worth shelling out 35 bux for the import at tower records? How about all the pre-Starfish Australian b-sides except for one! (Bus Driver). ________Paul Cohen________________pmcohen@netaxs.com________________________ Philadelphia, PA http://www.netaxs.com/~pmcohen/ From pmcohen@netaxs.com Fri Jan 20 19:46 PST 1995 X-Authentication-Warning: netaxs.com: Host slip-91.netaxs.com claimed to be gw4dx2-66v X-Sender: pmcohen@access.netaxs.com From: pmcohen@netaxs.com (Paul Cohen) Subject: Re: Travel by Thought a duff track!? >Aaron wrote: > >>(Money on DSOTM, and Travel by Thought on Seance - >>I think that is one of the worst songs they've ever done) > >Aaron, welcome aboard so to speak. In addition, I must say that you're definite- >ly going to be hearing alot of murmur from this group for the above blasphemy :) >Yes, everybody is entitled to their opinions (no doubt about that), but "Travel >by Thought" one of their worst songs? I don't think so mate! I'd be curious >about what the others on this group would say to the above. I must repeat again >in case I get misunderstood and/or flamed: you're entitled to your opinion(s). Well, I'll have to send an un-flame and state that I really don't think that "Travel by Thought" is one of the band's finer moments. I know where they were coming from, mind you. But there's an awful lot of b-sides I would've rather seen on "Seance" instead. ________Paul Cohen________________pmcohen@netaxs.com________________________ Philadelphia, PA http://www.netaxs.com/~pmcohen/ From pmcohen@netaxs.com Fri Jan 20 20:19 PST 1995 X-Authentication-Warning: netaxs.com: Host slip-91.netaxs.com claimed to be gw4dx2-66v X-Sender: pmcohen@access.netaxs.com From: pmcohen@netaxs.com (Paul Cohen) Subject: Re: Travel by Thought >Maybe you should reeeeaaallly listen to it again. It's amazing how >some of the songs I used to dislike, suddenly become very good after >I've gotten tired of some of the other songs.... Well possibly the biggest problem with it is that it really isn't a "song" by any definition of the word that I can think of. More of a sound collage. And these things tend to wear out their welcome after a relatively short period of time. When was the last time you listened to "Revolution #9"? ________Paul Cohen________________pmcohen@netaxs.com________________________ Philadelphia, PA http://www.netaxs.com/~pmcohen/ From pmcohen@netaxs.com Fri Jan 20 20:19 PST 1995 X-Authentication-Warning: netaxs.com: Host slip-91.netaxs.com claimed to be gw4dx2-66v X-Sender: pmcohen@access.netaxs.com From: pmcohen@netaxs.com (Paul Cohen) Subject: Re: TBT redux > > Still Beautiful, Grind. Metropolis is probably my least favorite on GAF. > >metropolis is the only church song i actively dislike hearing. >it annoys me enough that even if my cd remote is out-of-reach >i'll get up and go to the next song. :-) And I thought Metropolis was a pretty catchy little thing. While "You're Still Beautiful" always rubbed me the wrong way. Different strokes, eh? > One thing I noticed, however, is that not one of you defended Gold > Afternoon Fix. Was it lost in the rush to defend TBT, or do most > folks agree with me? While there were some excellent cuts on that > disc, I was terribly disappointed on the whole. Well, _I_ certainly liked GAF. With the exception of the above-mentioned "You're Still Beautiful", I thought it was a pretty solid album. Liked it better than "Starfish" for that matter. And considering it turned out to be a difficult period for the band, due to the problems they were having with Ploog, I think it overall turned out pretty well. ________Paul Cohen________________pmcohen@netaxs.com________________________ Philadelphia, PA http://www.netaxs.com/~pmcohen/ From pmcohen@netaxs.com Fri Jan 20 20:33 PST 1995 X-Authentication-Warning: netaxs.com: Host slip-91.netaxs.com claimed to be gw4dx2-66v X-Sender: pmcohen@access.netaxs.com From: pmcohen@netaxs.com (Paul Cohen) Subject: Re: Returned mail: User unknown >Aaron wrote: > >Money on DSOTM, and Travel by Thought on Seance - >I think that is one of the worst songs they've ever done) > >Aaron, welcome aboard so to speak. In addition, I must say that you're >definitely going to be hearing alot of murmur from this group for the above >blasphemy :) >Yes, everybody is entitled to their opinions (no doubt about that), but "Travel >by Thought" one of their worst songs? I don't think so mate! I'd be curious >about what the others on this group would say to the above. I must repeat again >in case I get misunderstood and/or flamed: you're entitled to your opinion(s). > Well, I'll have to send an un-flame and state that I really don't think that "Travel by Thought" is one of the band's finer moments. I know where they were coming from, mind you. But there's an awful lot of b-sides I would've rather seen on "Seance" instead. ________Paul Cohen________________pmcohen@netaxs.com________________________ Philadelphia, PA http://www.netaxs.com/~pmcohen/ ________Paul Cohen________________pmcohen@netaxs.com________________________ Philadelphia, PA http://www.netaxs.com/~pmcohen/ From pmcohen@netaxs.com Mon Jan 23 17:08 PST 1995 X-Authentication-Warning: netaxs.com: Host slip-91.netaxs.com claimed to be gw4dx2-66v X-Sender: pmcohen@access.netaxs.com From: pmcohen@netaxs.com (Paul Cohen) Subject: Re:Here comes another one >>Maybe we should really prise the top off >>and have a short vote for WORST Church song ???? > >OK, I'm in for 'Maybe These Boys' >'A Different Man' and 'You're still Beautiful' >(I cringe just thinking of this song.) Well, "Maybe These Boys" never endeared itself to me very much, and I'm already on the record as despising "You're Still Beautiful", but "A Different Man"? The song's simply wonderful. ________Paul Cohen________________pmcohen@netaxs.com________________________ Philadelphia, PA http://www.netaxs.com/~pmcohen/ From pmcohen@netaxs.com Mon Jan 23 17:08 PST 1995 X-Authentication-Warning: netaxs.com: Host slip-91.netaxs.com claimed to be gw4dx2-66v X-Sender: pmcohen@access.netaxs.com From: pmcohen@netaxs.com (Paul Cohen) Subject: Re: Here comes another one..... >Personally, I think Terra Nova Cain sucks.... And you are certainly entitled to your opinion, even if it's incorrect. ________Paul Cohen________________pmcohen@netaxs.com________________________ Philadelphia, PA http://www.netaxs.com/~pmcohen/ From pmcohen@netaxs.com Mon Jan 23 19:38 PST 1995 X-Authentication-Warning: netaxs.com: Host slip-91.netaxs.com claimed to be gw4dx2-66v X-Sender: pmcohen@access.netaxs.com From: pmcohen@netaxs.com (Paul Cohen) Subject: Re: hate ---> love >I'll tell ya, there is ONE song that I HATED when I first heard it, >couldn't even bear to listen to it. That was Trance Ending. Then, one day >I had my headphones on, turned up really loud and... WOW. I don't know, >but lets just say I really like that song now. Strange. How much you like "Trance Ending" depends on how much you like psychedelic music. The Church are very good at psychedelic music and this song is a great example of it. ________Paul Cohen________________pmcohen@netaxs.com________________________ Philadelphia, PA http://www.netaxs.com/~pmcohen/ From pmcohen@netaxs.com Tue Jan 24 21:34 PST 1995 X-Authentication-Warning: netaxs.com: Host slip-91.netaxs.com claimed to be gw4dx2-66v X-Sender: pmcohen@access.netaxs.com From: pmcohen@netaxs.com (Paul Cohen) Subject: Re: Worst >I wonder if I'll get harassed for this? > >1. Constant in Opal > >2. Blood Money > >3. Maybe These Boys A definite double thwapping is deserved. Constant in Opal? Blood Money? Though I'm definitely reassured at the number of people that dislike Maybe These Boys. ________Paul Cohen________________pmcohen@netaxs.com________________________ Philadelphia, PA http://www.netaxs.com/~pmcohen/ From pmcohen@netaxs.com Tue Feb 14 19:11 PST 1995 X-Authentication-Warning: netaxs.com: Host slip-91.netaxs.com claimed to be gw4dx2-66v X-Sender: pmcohen@access.netaxs.com From: pmcohen@netaxs.com (Paul Cohen) Subject: Re: The Blue Aeroplanes >> Did anyone else on this list get into The Blue Aeroplanes based on >> seeing them open for the Church like I did? >nope. a friend of mine played me a friend of her's _swagger_ >album, and i particularly loved the first line of _jacket hang's_ >``pick a card, any card ... wrong!'' >the guitars were cool, so i bought that album.. I was already into the band when I saw them with the Church. It was a wonderful double bill for me. My intro to the band was when MTV's 120 Minutes played "Jacket Hangs" from _Swagger_. I heard that wonderful guitar sound and I was hooked. I've been a fan ever since. The albums I have are: friendloverplane, Swagger, Beatsongs, World View Blue (actually a long EP), Friendloverplane 2 (Up in a Down World), Life Model. and Rough Music. There are four early albums that were never released in America also. ________Paul Cohen________________pmcohen@netaxs.com________________________ Philadelphia, PA http://www.netaxs.com/~pmcohen/ From pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Thu Dec 1 09:08 PST 1994 From: pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Subject: Fake femme Well I haven't heard it yet, but if the Fake female sounds celtic, how about Enya? :) Or perhaps a virtual unknown about to be propelled into the international limelight when Fake sets the music world on its ear..... -paul (having nothing better to contribute at this time) From pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Fri Dec 2 12:37 PST 1994 From: pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Subject: videos Rich wrote, regarding who's the biggest Church fan: >Well I'm only 5'8" so I guess that rules me out;:) I suppose that means that at 6'10" I am officially the biggest Church fan :) What an honor! But, this does give me a chance to tell a story involving both height and the Church: I was at the Minneapolis show of the GAF tour in 1990 (I believe there is at least one other person on this list who was also there?). Tickets were reserved seating, and my seat wasn't that great, so like everyone else, I gradually made my way down to the front. About halfway into it, a security guy came up and asked to see my ticket, and when he saw that I wasn't in my proper seat (as if anyone was at that point), told me i had to move to the back because people couldn't see from behind me. I tried to tell him if i moved back, people behind me couldn't see back there either, but apparently this bit of logic was too much for him, and he made me move anyway. Of course 10 minutes later I was back down the front anyway. Then backstage after the show, I went to talk to Peter, and the first thing he said was "Boy you're tall". Rereading that, it's not such a great story afterall, but it's too late now. About videos, Bob asked if Jokes.... included everything up through GAF, and no, it doesn't. The videos for "Already Yesterday" and "You Took" are not on that video. They are on an older Australian video just called "The Church", which only goes through "Heyday". The Australian video does not have "Colombus" however. I think Morten updated what videos came after GAF, but I have one question for everyone, was there ever a video for "Feel" which was the 2nd single from P=A? I assume there might have been, but I've never seen or heard of it. Anyone know better? -paul (another Triffids fan BTW) From pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Tue Dec 6 23:00 PST 1994 From: pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Subject: lots 'o things I'm another person who mailed their ballot straight to Jason, and didn't post their thoughts here, then I saw Eve's choices, and since mine were very similar, I thought I'd go ahead and do it. Album: Seance (Turn off the lights and crank "It doesn't Change") Songs: Dead Mans Dream Kings Is This Where You Live (mostly the slow opening part, which I love, I usually play that 5 or 6 times and skip the rest of the songs) That's how I voted. Would those be my choices today? No, but this is a democracy, so I'll only vote once. I also just got my latest Red Eye shipment, and was a little disappointed. I asked for both the Fake album and single, but they only sent the single, along with a note saying that there is no Fake full length album, which we all know is untrue. They also said Almost Yesterday was not released, which we also know is a big fat lie. I'm sure I wasn't too early when I ordered all the stuff, because there were a few reviews already posted by the time I got around to it. So, I'm asking any Australian members, could you please help out an expatriate countryman, desperately grasping for a connection to his native culture? If anyone is going out to buy a copy of the Fake album with the bonus ambient CD, could you pick me up a copy? I'd of course pay for postage etc., and never say another bad word about you on this or any other list :) Please......? BTW, I like what I've heard from the single. I think Kilbey's influence is most noticeable on "Nympho", which i could definately picture him writing. While I'm at it, I'll also throw in my votes for solo stuff. Peter's best album: When Reason Forbids EP (I think it's the only one of his albums I can sit through in entirety) Peter's best song: When Reason Forbids Marty's best album: Art Attack Marty's best song: Frightened Just because of you (Alternate version) either that or You Whisper Steves best album: hmm, this ones not that easy. I'll get back to you on that. -paul From pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Wed Dec 28 11:14 PST 1994 From: pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Subject: damien lovelock With the talk about SK and DL in videos together: I have an album called "Survival of the Fittest" which is a compilation of a bunch of Australian bands (Screaming Tribesmen, Tall Tales and True, Voodoo Lust etc.) that also has the song "Harpers Bazaar" by DL on it, but as far as I remember there is no SK in the credits. I'll have another look though. Does that song appear on a Celibate Rifles album with SK credited? If so, then the version on the compilation album may be a solo DL thing. -paul From pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Wed Dec 28 11:37 PST 1994 From: pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Subject: treasures Well I'm back from Xmas break already, and am probably speaking to myself as the rest of you are probably still enjoying yourselves. I never added my two cents to the prized posessions discussion, so here it is: Monetarily speaking, I suppose my 2 copies of sing-songs would be right up there, emotionally speaking, the autographs of SK PK and MWP or the letter from SK would get the nod. One other thing I'll mention because I haven't seen anything else about it is the "Collection Box" set, which is a specially packaged promo set for GAF, a box set with GAF cd and casette, and "Megalopolis" CD5. It's nothing essential, but nice nonetheless. Either those, or Steve's appendix, which my father removed in 1984, and I have in a jar of formalin in my attic...... -paul From pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Mon Jan 9 10:22 PST 1995 From: pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Subject: Temperature Drop Jason asked about "Temperature Drop..." It's a UK 10" from the OSAH era, and it contains "The Unguarded Moment", "Sisters", "The Golden Dawn" (with a few extra seconds of chatter before the song starts), and 1 or 2 other songs I can't remember offhand (maybe TFFY ?). Actually, I'm thinking "An Interlude" for some reason, so maybe that's it. Anyway, there is nothing new on it if you have "Hindsight" and the regular albums from that period. BTW, have any of the US tour dates happened yet? I guess Southern California is where the tour starts, and seeing as they're not playing here in the northern end of the state for 3 weeks, it probably hasn't started yet. Those of you down there be sure to update us all on how they go :) -paul From pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Fri Jan 13 14:52 PST 1995 From: pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Subject: lyrics With all the lyrical debate going on now, I thought I'd add my two cents as well. Most of the lyrics posted at ftp.uwp.edu were put there by me, and shouldn't be taken as gospel. Everything from OSAH to Heyday, as well as Hindsight, were transcribed from the lyrics printed in the album notes. Everything since then has been the lyrics the way that i heard them, with additions and corrections from numerous people on this list if they sounded better than what I thought I heard. So just because they're posted there, doesn't mean that they are correct, although I'd like to think they are close. Even some of the printed lyrics don't seem to match what they are actually saying at times. (Come to think of it, the Starfish and GAF lyrics are from the guitar tab books). So they are still very much open to interpretation, which I think is great. Some songs mean something different to me each time I hear them, which to me means that they have served their purpose. But I do agree with those who said it's nice to at least have some idea of the words with which to create your own interpretations. Then just today, (Jason?) added his interpretation of the line from "Kings" as in distorted haze the zebras graze which I had heard as in distorted haze the zephyrs graze or in the storied haze the zephyrs graze or in this torrid haze the zephyrs graze etc. etc. I hadn't even thought of zebras, which put a whole new spin on things ( and grazing zebras seems to make more sense than grazing winds, but who said it had to make sense?) Paul "is it the 30th yet?" Webb From pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Fri Jan 13 14:56 PST 1995 From: pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Subject: loser One more thing, in reply to Dick who liked the sound of the phrase "Why don't you kill me" from the song "Loser", it's by Beck, who strangely enough was on the bill with The Church and 4-5 other bands when they played in Sacramento back in June or July. After that show Marty said that after looking at Beck it made him feel very old. -paul From pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Mon Jan 23 09:47 PST 1995 From: pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Subject: worst song OK, I'll take the bait. I think the Church's worst song ever is "Forgotten Reign" from Quick Smoke. I'm not a big fan of Peter's vocals and most of my least favorite songs are the ones that he wrote/sang, with the exception of "A New Season", which I think is one of the best songs from "Starfish". "Forgotten Reign" just seems to plod along with this off-key voice, which occasionally swells up and gets louder as if he was in pain or something (geez, why don't I just twist the knife a bit more). Anyway, I've always wondered how much of a difference it would have made if Steve did the vocals on some of those tracks...... -paul From pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Tue Jan 24 12:57 PST 1995 From: pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Subject: worst You know, this is almost as hard as listing 3 FAVORITE songs :( Well here goes: 1. Forgotten Reign (for reasons already stated - sorry Pete) 2. Much Too Much - this one makes Take it Back sound good 3. You're Still Beautiful - never really understood why this was a single. Maybe they were trying to gain some "hard-ass" points in those pre-gangsta rap days by releasing a song with an expletive in it. I still think Grind would have done much better as a follow-up to Metropolis (although it may have to have been edited for general radio/MTV consumption). In terms of bands SK and MWP are into, I remember Steve mentioning Aphex Twin, and Marty talking about Can, Mobius, and that sort of thing. Oh yeah, Steve has also raved about a certain Margot....... -paul From pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Tue Jan 24 13:01 PST 1995 From: pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Subject: musk I agree with Vernon, Musk is very middle-eastern. The Church song that most resembles it I think, is Desert. Sort of subdued. It's definately a "real song" (and hey! I like Afterlife). Infidel baby, Oh my heathen child Baghdad's still ten leagues away..... (something like that) -paul From pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Thu Jan 26 11:51 PST 1995 From: pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Subject: Nicole's posts Just a few comments on two of Nicole's recent posts: What I meant by saying that "Grind" would have had to have been edited for radio/video consumption is just that it's too long for a single, not that it needed any editing of content. The other thing is that I know exactly what you mean by saying "Dream? which song is that?". I can NEVER remember the name of that song. I can remember how it sounds, but not the name. To me, it's always been "the song from AQSAS that's sung by Peter but isn't as bad as Forgotten Reign". Anyone answered all the trivia questions yet? -paul (getting batteries for his walkman to tape the shows on monday and wednesday) From pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Mon Jan 30 08:29 PST 1995 From: pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Subject: good news Cc: pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu This is an interview with SK that appeared yesterday in the entertainment section of the San Francisco Chronicle. There is not much new info in it, but there is some good news at the end which you all may be interested in. -paul 12 hours till showtime............................... --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Pop Quiz - Q & A with The Church By Michael Snyder --------------------------------------------------------------------- Despite some stetbacks and a major defection, Steve Kilbey and Marty Willson-Piper have decided to keep the Church open. An arty pop-rock outfit from Australia, the Church began 14 years ago as a quartet. "Under the Milky Way", a lilting, bittersweet single from the album "Starfish", brought the band acclaim and its best record sales in the United States. But a few years later, drummer Richard Ploog left the Church. He was replaced by drum machines and hired studio players. Rhythm guitarist Peter Koppes dropped out in 1992. Undaunted, bass player Kilbey and guitarist Willson- Piper last year recorded the ninth Church album "Sometime Anywhere", a lengthy, melancholy work that spotlights their singing and songwriting talents. It's a tapestry of soft, somber vocals and lush, layered guitars. Although Australia's Mushroom label remains committed to the band, its U.S. label Arista, recently dropped the Church from it's roster of artists. Yet the duo is embarking on a short "unplugged" tour that will include Bay Area appearances tomorrow at the Great American Music Hall in San Francisco and Wednesday at the Edge in Palo Alto. Recently, Kilbey spoke to the Chronicle by telephone from his second home in Stockholm, Sweden. Q: What are you doing in Sweden? A: I have a house and recording studio in Sydney, but I've lived here on and off, three months a year for the last 12 years. I met a Swedish girl and we had children - twin daughters that are 3 1/2. When she moved back here full time, I wanted to be here more. Now, if I have to go away from the girls on business, I get a little p--- off. Q: How does this affect your relationship with Marty? A: Marty has a recording studio here in Stockholm, where we recorded a couple of the tracks on the last album. He lived here for a bit, and he has a daughter here who's a friend to my kids. Marty was born in England, and he's staying there right now, but he just wanders around the world the rest of the time. Q: What happened with Peter Koppes that led him to quit the group? A: He just had his fill after 12 years. That's twice as long as high school. At some point enough's enough. We were still enjoying ourselves, so Marty and I went on. There was going to be a different sound. Peter's input is not there anymore. It's less of a hassle now. Instead of a three-way split, it's Marty and me, and we make all of the decisions together. Q: How did your recording technique change without a full band? A: We had a friend of ours put together 30 to 40 different drum loops. We found the ones we liked and jammed with them. After a while, they turned from jams into complete instrumentals - like a caterpillar turning into a butterfly. Then we added lyrics. The music inspired the lyrics, 100 percent. Q: Is the live acoustic duo format comfortable for you after all those years with a rock rhythm section? A: It's really pleasant. It's more delicate. There's more intimacy and subtlety. I can sing better. I'm singing instead of yelling to compete with the racket. It lets me feel closer to the audience and the songs. Q: The current album is darker than your earlier more rock-oriented recordings. Why? A: The music goes where it wants to. We don't say; "Let's get in a lush mood and move away from rock." We just drift into it. Q: How do you and Marty divide the labor? A: We write the music together. If I write the lyrics, I sing the song. If Marty does the singing, he's written the lyrics. Q: How did you get into a music career? A: I always intended to be a musician. The band came together in Sydney, where I met Marty in 1980. We started off in isolation, playing local clubs and recording demos, but the band took off. There are incredible ups and downs in this life. It's like a wild roller coaster. Sometimes you wish you weren't on it. Q: How do you feel about Arists dropping the band? A: Nothing surprises me in this business. Arista tampered with the song selection on the last album. All over the world it's the same. A record company mishandles your project, then they drop you when you don't sell. On some records, they put this big push behind you, and it's "Hellzapoppin". Other times, you're launched, and it's like a slug coming out of a gun with no gunpowder behind it. It just lays there. America's been up and down for us. Now it's down. But if you try to anticipate the market, you're going to go down the drain. You don't want to lose your identity chasing a chimera. Q: "The Maven", a song on "Sometime Anywhere", sounds like an attack on business types who might hamper an artist's progress. Where you aiming at anyone in particular? A: No. It's just that you end up dealing with those types of people and sooner or later it comes out. It's not hurling invectives at random. But we were surprised at how many people from the record company called up and said, with pride, "I'm 'The Maven', aren't I?" Q: How about future plans for the Church? A: After these acoustic dates in California, I'm going back to Australia to produce a couple of albums. We might also do an acoustic tour in Australia. Even if we don't, we'll be recording another Church project somtime this year. From pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Thu Feb 2 13:10 PST 1995 From: pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Subject: palo alto show It's the morning after the Palo Alto show, and here's some comments: Although the crowd was rowdier, I thought the SF show was better. The set list was the same as has already been mentioned, except that they did 2 encores instead of 1, the second being Myrrh and a Neil Young song (I don't know much Neil Young, but something about Killing Cortez?). I taped this show also, but the quality is not nearly as good as in SF, there was a lot of chatter amongst the audience, and I only got the first hour, as I screwed up trying to turn the tape over, and before I knew it, my fingers were tangled in tape. But that's life. I went backstage with Morten afterwards, and here's a few tidbits: 1. Marty has a new girlfriend - I guess Ann's out? 2. The song Adele Yvonne (sp?) from Spirit Level is about a French girl who is awestruck by the glamor and magesty of the Nazis during the war, that she becomes a collaborator, but she is so naieve and innocent that we must love her anyway. I'll let Morten fill in the rest. Steve & Marty spoke swedish to eachother backstage, of which I could only make out that they were going to meet in front of the hotel at noon today. If there's anything else worth translating, I guess it's up to Morten. But those of you anticipating the upcoming dates are definately in for a treat! -paul From pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Wed Feb 8 11:51 PST 1995 From: pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Subject: more live memories After reading Morten's post about the 2 Bay Area shows, I wanted to throw in another thought about "Cortez the Killer" or whatever the Neil Young song they did was called. There is a harmonica part in the song, which Marty managed to play on his guitar, with a little distortion and fading in and out on his volume pedal - pretty amazing! Unfortunately, As I said in an earlier post, my tape had been eaten by then, so i didn't get it on tape :(, but the SF show came out great. Also to answer Jeff's question about soundtracks, the Church had a song on the soundtrack to "tequila sunrise", which never really made it into the movie. The song is "unsubstantiated". SK also had a song in the soundtrack to the movie "Reckless Kelley" called "As you like it". I haven't seen the movie, so I don't know if the song is featured or not. -paul From pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Sun Feb 12 10:04 PST 1995 From: pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Sorry, no desert island lists, or favorite couplets here, it's just too damn hard! What I want to do is thank all the people who have been posting chords/tabs for the songs, and to put in a request for A Month of Sundays (actually, just the 2nd chord, after the D, I think I have the rest, but i just can't seem to get that one!). Also, to pick up the thread about how Marty ranks in the world of guitarists, I've often wondered that myself. I wonder how he'd be perceived if the Church was as big as R.E.M. or something - would he be on the cover of every guitar magazine imaginable? It seems to me that those magazines are mostly filled with heavy metal guitarists, many of which I can't imagine being any better than Marty. But I think that any lack of recognition of his playing is a result of the criminal lack of recognition of the Church in general. But he is amazing, and the recent acoustic shows have confirmed that for me even further. He may not be the best in the world, but he's the only guitarist I know of who uses 12 strings fairly exclusively (OK, well maybe Tom Petty, but hey, no contest!), so perhaps we can give him the title of "Best 12-string player"? -paul From pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Tue Feb 21 08:28 PST 1995 From: pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Subject: HHG & P=A I guess the Happy Hunting Ground joke may be a standard one - when I saw Steve doing a solo show in Baltimore, someone requested that song and he said "the orchestra's just doing their cocaine, they'll be down in a minute". There were actually a lot of funny quips from that show, I'll have to get the tape out again and write some down. The topic of conversation was the Albert Goldman book about John Lennon, and Steve said that he was writing his autobiography for when he is assasinated, and someone yelled "Marty's not writing it?" to which Steve replied in a breathy enunciated voice "marty's writing the French version". As for Henny's question about Seattle during the P=A tour, that tour was Australia only, so don't worry, you didn't miss the show. -paul From pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Mon Feb 27 10:18 PST 1995 From: pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Subject: lyrics A lot of people have been asking about lyric files, and not being able to access them via ftp. Seeing as I posted most of the lyrics at ftp.uwp.edu, I have copies of them all. Everything up to P=A is complete, SA & SE still have a few holes, plus ther e are b-sides and solo albums. If people are interested, they can mail me directly, and I'll send copies out. They are continually updated whenever anything new hits me (I just got another line from Texas Moon on saturday :). So feel free to ask for specific requests, or for the whole thing. -paul From pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Mon Feb 27 12:27 PST 1995 From: pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Subject: shirt couplets Here's another vote for: close to you, hear all you say, even though you're continents away brilliant! -paul From pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Wed Mar 1 11:13 PST 1995 From: pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Subject: tidbits Here's something that may be interesting (and it's not about t-shirts), did anyone notice that the artwork on Blurred Crusade and the Fallen Angel cover were done by the same person? -paul From pvd@evolving.com Wed Feb 1 13:04 PST 1995 From: pvd@evolving.com (Paula Diaz) Subject: curious greetings. I stumbled across this church e-mail thing and would like to know what it is all about. If I could recieved a bit of information I would appriciate it a lot. see ya bye. -paula -- ****************************************************************************** Paula Diaz Evolving Systems, Inc. 8000 E. Maplewood Ave., Englewood, CO 80111 Internet: pvd@evolving.com Telephone: (303) 689-1471 FAX: (303) 689-1399 -- Disclaimer: All opinions and beliefs stated or implied are my own. -- ****************************************************************************** From pvd@evolving.com Tue Feb 7 10:11 PST 1995 From: pvd@evolving.com (Paula Diaz) Subject: introductions and that Greetings. I joined this list about a week ago and am supposed to send out some introductory information about myself, I guess. Well, sorry it took me so long to get around to it. I am really interested in the rhythm sheets that have been going around as of late. I would like to get copies of what is available so far, and I can contribute a few Kilbey and Hex songs if anyone is interested and will show me how (I don't have ftp cababilities). The Church did a free show at a very small club here in Denver about 6 months ago. It was quite brilliant. It was the fifth time I had seen them but the first time I had met them. Anyway, nice to hear from you all and I hope to be able to give and get some of those rhythm sheets soon. -paula -- ****************************************************************************** Paula Diaz Evolving Systems, Inc. 8000 E. Maplewood Ave., Englewood, CO 80111 Internet: pvd@evolving.com Telephone: (303) 689-1471 FAX: (303) 689-1399 -- Disclaimer: All opinions and beliefs stated or implied are my own. -- ****************************************************************************** From pvd@evolving.com Mon Feb 27 07:15 PST 1995 From: pvd@evolving.com (Paula Diaz) Subject: lyrics and chords Greetings. I have really enjoyed all the church guitar chords that have been floating around as of late. I do have some to add but have not found the time yet. Anyway, I have seen some comments and partial chords to "A Month of Sundays" coming around but have not seen the entire song. Does someone have it who can sent it to me? I have tried a number of times to access the lyrics and tab page via netscape and am unable to. I would like to contribute the chords to "Nothing Inside", "Silvermine", and maybe "Ethereal Message." I am having some trouble with the lyrics to "Nothing Inside" if anyone can help. Acually, I don't have "Ethereal Message" figured out totally either, as far as the lyrics. This message is becoming more and more pointless as it progresses.... see ya later bye. -paula -- ****************************************************************************** Paula Diaz Evolving Systems, Inc. 8000 E. Maplewood Ave., Englewood, CO 80111 Internet: pvd@evolving.com Telephone: (303) 689-1471 FAX: (303) 689-1399 -- Disclaimer: All opinions and beliefs stated or implied are my own. -- ****************************************************************************** From pvd@evolving.com Mon Feb 27 15:57 PST 1995 From: pvd@evolving.com (Paula Diaz) Subject: chords Greetings. This is the best I can do as far as chords for "Nothing Inside." I am TOTALLY guessing at some of the lyrics and a correction would be embarassing but appriciated. The D chord is actually comprised of alternating the F# with the E on the top string (picking up and putting down the middle finger is another way of putting it, I guess. I think SK plays it with a capo on the 2nd or 3rd fret, but I don't play it that way so I can't quite remember. The alternation in the D is almost by syllable--you can hear it--I don't know how to write it out. bye. Nothing Inside D Hey, get out of my way D I cannot stay Em A I cannot adore you. D The dream is leaving again D chasing this train Em A that they put before you. C G You lied, there's nothing inside, C G say the river running is chilly and wide Em A once I told you I would have tried. D You, you sum up the pain D so badly it's said Em A that they can't ignore you. D Fall out of the blue D everything's true Em A how can I assure you? C G You lied there's nothing inside, C G always at the church and never a bride Em A once I told you I would have tried (Bridge D/G D Hey, get out of my way D I cannot stay Em A I cannot adore you C G You lied, there's nothing inside C G Saddle up the dream and we're off on a ride Em A Once I told you I would have tried. D Hey... -- ****************************************************************************** Paula Diaz Evolving Systems, Inc. 8000 E. Maplewood Ave., Englewood, CO 80111 Internet: pvd@evolving.com Telephone: (303) 689-1471 FAX: (303) 689-1399 -- Disclaimer: All opinions and beliefs stated or implied are my own. -- ****************************************************************************** From pvd@evolving.com Wed Mar 1 07:56 PST 1995 From: pvd@evolving.com (Paula Diaz) Subject: questions Greetings. This is a bit of a non-Church issue but maybe someone out there can help me. I was recently accepted into the Writer's Workshop program and the University of Iowa. I grew up there so I know what the weather is like but that is about all I know. What I am asking is if there is anyone on this mailing list who is attending or has attended the University of Iowa or if anyone knows someone who knows someone, etc. who attended. Any information would be greatly appriciated. Okay, I'll make a church thing out of it. I put the chords/lyrics to "Nothing Inside" out via e-mail last week. Does anyone have any suggestions for the lyrics I obviously guessed? Thanks. -paula -- ****************************************************************************** Paula Diaz Evolving Systems, Inc. 8000 E. Maplewood Ave., Englewood, CO 80111 Internet: pvd@evolving.com Telephone: (303) 689-1471 FAX: (303) 689-1399 -- Disclaimer: All opinions and beliefs stated or implied are my own. -- ****************************************************************************** From rfd@buclaa.bu.edu Tue Jan 10 07:29 PST 1995 From: rfd@buclaa.bu.edu (Richard F. Delano) Subject: Westwood One show This was just pulled off of the radio-concerts list: >In Concert ("new rock" version) (Westwood One, bi-weekly, 90 minutes, > check local stations) >Note: Date is first day of week show normally runs. Local > stations air program anytime during following two weeks. > >1/16 Counting Crows, The Church >1/30 Gin Blossoms, Dinosaur Jr. I assume that this is the show from last year in San Francisco (?). I know that this show runs in Boston on WFNX on Tuesdays at 11pm. Now, can someone please remember to post about this next week so we don't forget! I always forget about these things and fail to tape them :( Rich Boston Univ. From rfd@buclaa.bu.edu Wed Jan 18 06:39 PST 1995 From: rfd@buclaa.bu.edu (Richard F. Delano) Subject: Radio show What a joke! I stay up to tape the Church "concert" last night and what to do I get? An hour of Counting Crows, then finally The Church. A whole 25 minutes! It was taped last year in San Diego according to the station. It may be a part of the Sausalito show that was broadcast last year, but I'm not sure. It only had a few songs: "Hotel Womb," "Providence," "Myrrh," "10,000 Miles," and "Under the Milky Way" There may have been another one, but those are all I remember right now. Rich Boston Univ. From rfd@buclaa.bu.edu Wed Jan 25 09:37 PST 1995 From: rfd@buclaa.bu.edu (Richard F. Delano) Subject: Re: Parodies >Lily (whose parody of REM's Losing My Religon is famous in 3 states) ...and is banned in the other 47. :) Hmmm. We've gone from a worst song poll to a parodies discussion. Anyone else think that we need some new material released and soon? I was thinking the other day about the deal with Arista. Now if The Church were still to have an album remaining on that contract (I have no idea what their deal was, btw), would Arista still be able to fulfill it with a live album? I know this is total fantasy, but I'm allowed to dream. Aren't I? Does their dropping the Church pretty much rule out the chance that we'll ever see a live album. I'd assume any future label would have to buy the rights from Arista and I sincerely doubt any label would bother. I really would love to hear some live electric Church. As long as I have been a fan, I have never seen nor heard them live electrically. All of my live Church experience is acoustic. Rich Boston Univ. From rfd@buclaa.bu.edu Mon Feb 27 17:24 PST 1995 From: rfd@buclaa.bu.edu (Richard F. Delano) Subject: Hindsight Hi folks, I just spotted in a copy of _Hindsight_ for sale in Boston at Nuggets in Kenmore Square. The price? A definite bargain at $24!!! They also had a copy of the one track promo for "You're Still Beautiful" for $2. Now, before people ask: I didn't have the money and I won't have any extra cash for a long time, so I can't pick it up. I know there are some other Bostonians on the list who may be able to help (or may scoop it up for themselves). Lastly, I'll throw out a quote for the T-shirt (what the hell!): "All our fates are intermingled, we are plural, we are single" Rich Boston Univ. P.S. I haven't forgotten about you Morten :) From rgue@capital.edu Tue Feb 7 10:54 PST 1995 From: rgue@capital.edu (Rachel Gue) Subject: Quick intro My name's Rachel Gue and I just found this group a few days ago. I've been a fan of The Church since I was about twelve. I remember seeing one of their videos (don't ask me which one it was) and developing a huge crush on Marty Wilson-Piper. My favorite song is "Electric Lash" and my favorite albums are "Gold Afternoon Fix" and "Of Skins and Heart," I missed seeing the band in my hometown of Cincinnati in either '89 or '90, and I don't have a favorite paisley shirt. Thanks! Rachel Gue From rgue@capital.edu Tue Feb 7 12:32 PST 1995 From: rgue@capital.edu (Rachel Gue) Subject: Quick Intro Greetings, everyone! My name is Rachel Gue and I joined this group a few days ago. I've been a big fan of The Church since I was about twelve. I remember seeing one of their videos (don't ask me which one it was) and then developing a huge crush on Marty Wilson-Piper. My favorite song is "Electric Lash" and my favorite album is "Gold Afternoon Fix." Question: I have an old interview by the band on 120 Minutes, and it mentioned something about all the solo projects the individual members were doing. I'm assuming this included Marty, and I'm wondering if anyone knew anything about a potential solo album by him. Any info is appreciated! Thanks! -Rachel From rgue@capital.edu Fri Feb 10 11:15 PST 1995 From: rgue@capital.edu (Rachel Gue) Subject: Re: Desert Island Discs Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM My turn: A Velvet Underground compilation my cousin made me The Church-Seance & Gold Afternoon Fix "The Crow" soundtrack The Replacements-Pleased to Meet Me & Tim Lou Reed-New York That's not very many, is it? -Rachel From rgue@capital.edu Thu Feb 16 09:59 PST 1995 From: rgue@capital.edu (Rachel Gue) Subject: Re: Questions & observations I'm guessing it's Steve in the suit of armor in the Almost With You video--It's the eyes that lead me to that conclusion. I'm probably wrong, though. Just thought I'd put my two cents' worth in! -Rachel From rgue@capital.edu Sun Feb 19 19:06 PST 1995 From: rgue@capital.edu (Rachel Gue) Subject: Question: Does anyone know whatever happened to Richard Ploog or Peter Koppes? Just wondering! -Rachel From sausage@zikzak.apana.org.au Sat Dec 10 18:30 PST 1994 X-Sender: sausage@zikzak.apana.org.au From: sausage@zikzak.apana.org.au (Steve Outtrim) Subject: unsubscribe unsubscribe From scotth@netstar.com Tue Dec 6 06:48 PST 1994 From: scotth@netstar.com Subject: favorites Every day, my tastes change... so today my favorites are: LP: Heyday Song1: Electric Lash Song2: Is This Where You Live? Song3: Myrrh Hmm, all older material... - Scott Hauck ================================================================================ "It says he made us all to be just like him. So if we're dumb, then god is dumb, and maybe even a little ugly on the side." -- Frank Zappa From scotth@netstar.com Mon Dec 19 07:08 PST 1994 From: scotth@netstar.com Subject: Re: Church rareties ||If you're into that kind of thing, I suggest taking a voyage down to Austin, ||Texas for the huge record show there every spring & fall. Its just as big ||(if not bigger) than the VF show, and usually attracts more foreign dealers. || Au GoGo from Australia often show up at the Spring show.....last year I ||picked up a copy of Sing Songs there for $30!!!!!!! || ||- Cath I've seen this alluded to before, is Sing Songs worth something? I've got a copy of Sing Songs, along with other things by other artists (used to work in a record store). While I enjoy it musically, it didn't seem special in any other way. - Scott Hauck ======================================================================= From scotth@netstar.com Thu Jan 19 07:10 PST 1995 From: scotth@netstar.com Subject: Re: Subscribe Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM You [JesusUK@aol.com] wrote: || ||If there are Church dealings and discussions going on here, I want in. || ||Thanks This isn't actually Nick Lowe is it? JesusUK == Jesus Uf Kool (== Nick Lowe)? - Scott Hauck From ssimmond@extra.ucc.su.oz.au Sat Feb 25 20:01 PST 1995 From: ssimmond@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Stephen Simmonds) Hi, I'm a newbie to *this* mailgroup. I'm an _appreciator_ of church music, rather than the "fans" that a lot of you seem to be. Find priest=aura probably best (well crafted!), and find such as "authority" on S/A amongst the best of incandesence (a la Myrrh et al on heyday). Questions: 1) did you guys in U.S. (et al) get 'quick smoke at spots' (b-sides)? 2) why can't I get into the church discography and lyrics URLs? 3) Any non-lp tracks released from S/A (apart from 2nd ltd ed disc)? We in Aus get slightly diff versions of singles, and, for example, the 'feel' single had an extra track (urban mix) on US version. I had that copy, but it was stolen! stephen From ssimmond@extra.ucc.su.oz.au Sat Feb 25 21:20 PST 1995 From: ssimmond@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Stephen Simmonds) Hi, I'm a newbie to *this* mailgroup. I'm an _appreciator_ of church music, rather than the "fans" that a lot of you seem to be. Find priest=aura probably best (well crafted!), and find such as "authority" on S/A amongst the best of incandesence (a la Myrrh et al on heyday). Questions: 1) did you guys in U.S. (et al) get 'quick smoke at spots' (b-sides)? 2) why can't I get into the church discography and lyrics URLs? 3) Any non-lp tracks released from S/A (apart from 2nd ltd ed disc)? We in Aus get slightly diff versions of singles, and, for example, the 'feel' single had an extra track (urban mix) on US version. I had that copy, but it was stolen! stephen From ssimmond@extra.ucc.su.oz.au Tue Feb 28 02:37 PST 1995 From: ssimmond@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Stephen Simmonds) Subject: bye now It's been interesting, but I gotta go... Downloading all these msgs every few days really impacts on my study and work. nice to meet some appreciators of the *synergy* that is church. stephen From tkroetsc@mach1.wlu.ca Tue Jan 10 19:48 PST 1995 From: terry kroetsch f Subject: Re: Mae Moore Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM I just saw a Mae Moore video and recalled that Steve produced an album of hers. In fact, I seem to remember that things did not go well. Did they fight? I don't know which album, I know nothing about her (I know, but she's Canadian...). Does someone know they whole story? Is this old hat? Well, since joining the list, I have purchased every Church CD ( most of them below $10) and a recent holiday trip in Ft Lauderdale served up these treats: Jack Frost ($3! Try Spec's), three Kilbey solos, Almost Yesterday AND I rented Goldfish (that was a real treat - I would kill for a copy). I did some expensive Hindsight CDs - how does this compare to Almost Yesterday - is it worth searching for? I also sent my money to SK for Unearthed book with a letter - hope he answers - I guess it will wait until they return to Aus. Now to dig up my Hex cassettes and my three inch CD single from Starfish... From tim@large.equinox.gen.nz Wed Dec 14 00:58 PST 1994 From: tim@large.equinox.gen.nz unsubscribe For the meantime, thanks Morten. Tim Lucas. From troy@cais.com Thu Dec 1 17:36 PST 1994 X-Sender: troy@cais.com From: troy@cais.cais.com (Troy Hakala) Subject: unsubscribe please unsubscribe me. Thank you. Troy Hakala troy@cais.com +----------------------------------------------------+ | "On! On! On!" cried the leaders at the back. | | -New Model Army | +----------------------------------------------------+ From u8021044@cc.nctu.edu.tw Sat Dec 3 04:36 PST 1994 From: u8021044@cc.nctu.edu.tw (Gundam) Subject: unsubscribe UNSUBSCRIBE From u8021044@cc.nctu.edu.tw Mon Dec 5 03:00 PST 1994 From: u8021044@cc.nctu.edu.tw (Gundam) Subject: unsubscribe unsubscribe From ulc@peter.biola.edu Fri Jan 13 15:19 PST 1995 by peter.biola.edu (PostalUnion/SMTP 1.1.4) From: ulc@peter.biola.edu (Univ. Legal Counsel) Organization: Biola University Subject: greetings hello- my name is jeff macKey, and i am new to the list. i am fairly new to the information superhighway and was sooooooooo excited when i discovered that there was a church/kilbey site. in response to the obligatory greeting-type things: 1. i discovered the church just before 'starfish' was released. 'heyday' was in the play-stack at a record store where i worked, and i loved it immediately. 2. it is impossible for me to say which is my favorite church album as it depends upon my mood. the cd that i listen to most frequently is probably 'heyday' still, but every time i try to settle on a 'favorite,' the merits of other albums prohibit me from doing so. 3. my favorite church songs are (in no particular order): 'sisters,' 'a month of sundays,' 'myrrh,' 'disappointed' and 'trance ending.' 4. i ADORE 'narcosis.' 5. i also love australian football. 6. i live in southern california, and i will be attending the concert in redondo beach on february 2. will anyone else from the list be there? jeff fullerton, ca ulc@peter.biola.edu From ulc@peter.biola.edu Mon Jan 23 11:06 PST 1995 by peter.biola.edu (PostalUnion/SMTP 1.1.4) From: ulc@peter.biola.edu (Univ. Legal Counsel) Organization: Biola University Subject: thoughts on gaf, tbt gaf is one of the two church cd's that i listen to the least, but when i do listen to it, i program out two songs that seem to be on everyone's list of faves: 'grind' and 'russian autumn heart.' the high points of the album for me are 'disappointment,' 'transient,' 'essence' and 'laughing.' on the other hand, i think tbt is a wonderful part of the 'seance' whole. i don't care for this idea of 'another song would have been better than that one' because the point is not to make an album of the best ten songs but of the ten songs which together make the best album. jeff macKey fullerton, ca ulc@peter.biola.edu From ulc@peter.biola.edu Tue Jan 24 16:02 PST 1995 by peter.biola.edu (PostalUnion/SMTP 1.1.4) From: ulc@peter.biola.edu (Univ. Legal Counsel) Organization: Biola University Subject: my least listened-to list the church songs to which i least frequently listen are: 1. 'maybe these boys' - i agree with several of you who have mentioned this track. i have never understood how that song turned up on a church album. 2. 'grind' - it seems like everyone has mentioned this as one of the faves on gaf, but it sounds tooooo 'classic-rockish' to me. i always end gaf one track short. i can't help but think i'm listening to aerosmith at times during the song. 3. 'chaos' - i tend to agree with sk's mother on this one. it just doesn't fit in with the rest of p=a as far as i'm concerned. jeff d. macKey fullerton, ca ulc@peter.biola.edu From ulc@peter.biola.edu Wed Jan 25 16:00 PST 1995 by peter.biola.edu (PostalUnion/SMTP 1.1.4) From: ulc@peter.biola.edu (Univ. Legal Counsel) Organization: Biola University Subject: missing cd tracks someone mentioned 'remindlessness' earlier, and that got me thinking. since i own this album on cd, i have never heard 'random pan' or 'pain in my temples.' could someone please describe these two tracks. i have always been very curious about them, but i have never seen the album on cassette or vinyl. are they highly experimental pieces? the title 'random pan' has always suggested to me something along the lines of 'some lysergic africa'. jeff fullerton, ca ulc@peter.biola.edu From ulc@peter.biola.edu Thu Jan 26 12:22 PST 1995 by peter.biola.edu (PostalUnion/SMTP 1.1.4) From: ulc@peter.biola.edu (Univ. Legal Counsel) Organization: Biola University Subject: Re: missing cd tracks >>i have these tracks on the "transaction" ep .. you should find them.. they're great! :-)<< is the 'transaction' ep still in print? i have never seen it. jeff fullerton, ca ulc@peter.biola.edu From ulc@peter.biola.edu Fri Feb 3 10:39 PST 1995 by peter.biola.edu (PostalUnion/SMTP 1.1.4) Cc: jwhughes@uccs.edu (jwhughes) From: ulc@peter.biola.edu (Univ. Legal Counsel) Organization: Biola University Subject: last night's show-redondo beach i went to last night's show at the strand in redondo beach. here are my thoughts and observations: first of all, they sounded great. i really enjoyed the acoustic interpretations of the songs. they played pretty much the same set as what has been posted from the other california shows: 'providence,' 'mistress,' 'tristesse,' 'the night is very soft,' 'almost with you,' 'my little problem,' 'under the milky way,' 'reptile,' 'hotel womb,' 'grind,' '10,000 miles,' 'constant in opal,' 'a month of sundays' . . . i'm probably forgetting something. sk also played 'one inch rock' when marty broke a string. that was great! later, while marty was tuning, sk performed the first verse of 'house of the rising sun.' just as he was about to launch into the shouted second verse, marty rushed to mute his guitar and stop the rendition. that was pretty funny. both of them seemed to be in very good moods. sk joked with the audience quite a bit. one guy called out for 'texas moon' thoughout the show despite the fact that sk told him they couldn't play that one. at one point, sk mentioned that they were 'glad to be in redondo beach where the women love other women'?!? that got quite a response from the crowd. he also mentioned before they played 'the night is very soft' that they had a nice drive down from northern california. someone yelled out 'were you on the 405?' (a local freeway), to which sk responded, 'no, i was in a car.' there was another amusing moment during a pause for tuning. sk told us to 'talk amongst ourselves' until marty finished tuning. then he said 'you're a very polite crowd. back in australia people would be f**%ing throwing things at us by now.' i noticed that david geffen's name was on the guest list for the evening. i didn't see him in the room, though. then again, the strand is a decent-sized place, and it was at capacity (a few hundred, i'd guess). the opening act, hinge, was awful. i thought they would never end. that was disappointing considering that the last time the church came to this area, blue aeroplanes opened. my biggest disappointment was the omission of 'celebration of the birthday of the elephant god' from the set list. :) actually, the only thing that could have improved the evening would have been for it to go on longer, but all good things must come to an end, i guess. jeff d. macKey fullerton, ca ulc@peter.biola.edu From ulc@peter.biola.edu Fri Feb 10 13:15 PST 1995 by peter.biola.edu (PostalUnion/SMTP 1.1.4) From: ulc@peter.biola.edu (Univ. Legal Counsel) Organization: Biola University Subject: re: desert island discs well, here goes: steve kilbey - 'remindlessness' and 'narcosis' david sylvian - 'gone to earth' cocteau twins - 'heaven or las vegas' the wolfgang press - 'standing up straight' pat metheny group - 'still life (talking)' new order - 'movement' sade - 'diamond life' sergei rachmanninoff's symphony #2 - eugene ormandy w/philadelphia symphony samuel barber's adagio for strings, etc. - david zinman w/baltimore symphony giacomo puccini's 'turandot' - 1972 recording w/pavarotti, sutherland, mehta how large an island is this? if i had plenty of time to pack: virgin prunes - 'if i die, i die' church - 'heyday' monty python's flying circus - 'instant cd collection' echo & the bunnymen - 'heaven up here' bruce cockburn - 'humans' david bowie - 'low' pat metheny - 'secret story' smiths - 'meat is murder' tchaikovsky's symphony #6 - eugene ormandy w/philadelphia symphony my bloody valentine - 'loveless' i think i could stay content with those for quite a while provided i had plenty to read and a helluva lot of delicious, thirst-quenching wheat beer. i'll refrain from posting desert island literature and beers, however. jeff d. macKey fullerton, ca ulc@peter.biola.edu From ulc@peter.biola.edu Wed Feb 15 11:22 PST 1995 by peter.biola.edu (PostalUnion/SMTP 1.1.4) From: ulc@peter.biola.edu (Univ. Legal Counsel) Organization: Biola University Subject: re: blue aeroplanes you must have caught them on a bad night because bp is very, VERY cool. i generally hate music videos, but bp's '...and stones' is one of my all-time faves (along w/ dif juz - 'no motion,' blue nile - 'headlights on the parade' and echo & the bunnymen - 'bring on the dancing horses'). jeff d. macKey fullerton, ca ulc@peter.biola.edu From uy30997@antel.com.uy Mon Dec 5 10:20 PST 1994 From: uy30997@antel.com.uy Subject: unsubscribe unsubscribe From wehoke@unity.ncsu.edu Tue Feb 7 14:37 PST 1995 From: wehoke@unity.ncsu.edu Posted-Date: Tue, 7 Feb 1995 17:36:23 -0500 (EST) Subject: Intro Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello all, I must say, this is great. I think I've met maybe four people in my life that were familar w/ the Church outside of Starfish--it is so bizzare to see people name a song like "Film" as a favorite!!! There IS hope after all!!! I discovered the band when I'm sure alot of people did--Starfish. It was the Spring of 1988--the world was coming alive in more ways than one then. I heard the album and read Steve's poem and ahhhh.... The fascination never waned--it multiplied quickly with each older album I got. Then I discovered all of the solo work while at college--I sent off for "Earthed" and that little book changed, well, a lot. It is so difficult to pick a fav album--as I'm sure you all know. I love them all--every song I've heard --Bsides, vaulted goodies, etc--But if I HAD to, I think it waould perhaps be a close tie between Sometime Anywhere and Starfish (as many worlds apart as they may seem). But as far as songs--'Hotel Womb' occupies some region of irrational reverence within me. The only other thing I might share is that this last summer (early June I believe) My best freind (fellow Church enthusiast) and I had literally a dream come true. Steve and Marty played one of their "intimate" acoustic sets they were doing (I believe fairly short lived) shortly after "Sometime" came out in my semi-hometown, Charleston SC. We had missed them on the Starfish and GAF tours so we could ONLY dream.There were only about twenty of us that got in. It was incredible--two twelve strings and their voices. They did songs you (or at least I) would never have guessed---the second of which was "Hotel Womb." Strange evening indeed. So, trying not to ramble on--I look very much forward to reading what everyone has to say. So many questions, curiosities, you know? By the way, I would gladly send anyone a tape for a decent copy of "Sing Songs." thanks, William From wehoke@unity.ncsu.edu Wed Feb 15 11:42 PST 1995 From: wehoke@unity.ncsu.edu Posted-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 14:41:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: Tour dates? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello all, I was again wondering if ANYONE out there had any info whatever as to when the Church might be doing any shows in the future. Perhaps this stuff may have already been posted--if so, I would be most grateful to know where I might find it. I have a freind who is in a much better position than myself (Raleigh,NC) to see a show in the vicinity of some of the W.Coast dates that have been mentioned--I promised him I'd ask about... Thanks again, and happy full Moon to everyone-- William From wehoke@unity.ncsu.edu Thu Feb 23 15:41 PST 1995 From: wehoke@unity.ncsu.edu Posted-Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 18:39:43 -0500 (EST) Subject: Providence Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Am I alone in feeling that the verse Steve sings in "Providence" is one of the most beautiful things to ever come out of his or anyone else's mouth? Just wondering. William H. From mosk Sun Mar 5 15:18 PST 1995 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: More Admin Babble.... (long) Well, it's Sunday Afternoon, and what better way to spend it than to do some work on the list.... :-) Here's what I've done: 1. Added Tabs as an automated email responder. Thanks to Eve for collecting them all and sending them to me. See below for how to get them. 2. Gone through all the posts since about Nov (when I last did this) and added new entries to the Articles file (the Slak article and the SF Chronicle writeup). There really hasn't been a lot of published reviews or personal letters recently, so the only file that changed was the Articles file. 3. Added info / changed the FAQ's a bit. Here are the pieces that changed. Please read it as it concerns ALL of you! :-) (Vernon, I'll send you a complete one to include on the Web page) ----- 5. Q: Are lyrics available on-line? A: Yes, lyrics are available either by sending Paul Webb (pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu) an e-mail request for them, or via Mosaic (or your favorite Internet surfboard) at: http://www.cs.cmu.edu:8001/afs/cs/user/vernon/www/church.html (Be aware that the discography hyperlink does not work. See #6) 6. Q: Is a discography available on-line? A: Yes. Send e-mail (no subject or message body necessary) to: discog@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM 7: Q: Is there a seance archive where I can read old posts etc.? A: No, although the following "catch-up" files are available by sending e-mail to these addresses: articles@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM = all the published articles posted. reviews@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM = all the magazine reviews posted. letters@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM = personal letters received from Kilbey. tabs@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM = guitar tabs/chords posted to the list.o Note: If you post anything to the list that you would like included in these files, please make sure you use one of the following as the FIRST word in your Subject line: ARTICLE REVIEW LETTER TAB 8: Q: Where can I get hold of the "Sing-Songs" ep or Steve Kilbey's "Narcosis" ep? A: These are the two most sought after Church items. Both are out of print and you will need to look for used copies. Expect to pay minimum $50 for "Sing-Songs" and $40 for "Narcosis". 3 of the 5 songs on "Sing-Songs" have been released on "Hindsight", "Conception" and "Almost Yesterday". See discography for further details. --------- 4. Caught up on the posts. And lets make it all clear: Enough of the T-shirt thread!! Misunderstand me correctly, but it has gone too far.. (remember, I have seen them all again today, in addition to the "Worst songs" and "Desert Island Discs" threads, so I'll be buying my therapist at least one more Mercedes if the t-shirt thread continues... :-) I believe henny is keeping track of the snippets. Can we all please send all our ideas to her (aiendo@u.washington.edu), and then maybe she can post a "top 10" list every Friday or so??? Thanks! (my therapist really only needs the 3 Mercedes' he has so far...) I think that's it for now. Sorry about the long post..... -morten From nathan@abc.gov.au Sun Mar 5 16:01 PST 1995 From: nathan@abc.gov.au Subject: RE: picture > That grainy, alley shot of the band from the tantalized 12" is also Actually, my 12" copy of Tantalized (UK version) is just a warped version of the Heyday cover, with the colours changed and then 'smudged'... From KevinB23@aol.com Sun Mar 5 16:13 PST 1995 From: KevinB23@aol.com Subject: Lyrics? Hi Everyone, I've been trying to get lyrics in the FTP site but I can't seem to locate them for The Blurred Crusade and Sometime Anywhere. Can anyone tell me if they exist and where? I've successfully downloaded all others. Thanks, Kevin Bowers From kwr08495@cs.acu.edu Sun Mar 5 18:22 PST 1995 From: "Karl W. Reinsch" Subject: Re: Dome movie On Sat, 4 Mar 1995, David Raymond Rake wrote: >> > Ken wrote: >> I have to give my opinion on all of this conjecture about which movie >> Kibey is singing about in Dome. I believe the entire movie plot he refers to >> drifting asleep during (and then being unsure whether the ending he remembers >> was real or created by him) was completely invented by Steve's seemingly >> endless imagination. > > Actually, I read an article (donwloaded from this newsgroup, I think) > where Steve said that "Dome" pretty much should be taken literally. > Ostensibly, he didn't remember what the title of the film was. From the America On-line interview: Question: Was there an actual film behind the "Dome" on Pirest=Aura? Churchlive: Yes, it is a true story, but as I say in the song, I fell asleep and don't know what it was called. -karl. From aiendo@u.washington.edu Sun Mar 5 22:39 PST 1995 Sun, 5 Mar 95 22:39:00 -0800 X-Sender: aiendo@homer14.u.washington.edu From: Ai Endo Subject: t-shirt lyric update sorry, morten, your eyeballs must be spastic after reading the DID's AND the t-shirt posts! But we all appreciate it, and we clap for you (can you hear it?). that's a good idea, i'll post all the lyrics that were suggested up, numbered, and everyone buying a shirt will vote on, say 15 you like, and i'll post the top 15. then everyone can mull over those until we get info on design options and which would fit them the most. i should get it posted in a day or two, the list is loooong, so when you get it be prepared to sift through.... -henny From micka@jolt.mpx.com.au Mon Mar 6 04:33 PST 1995 From: Mick Anderson Subject: Lyrics help Hi, I'm still looking for someone to fix the "Business Woman" lyrics I posted last week. Come on you guys, I'm counting on you. :) Here's another one that needs fixing. Again, I have the chords sussed and will post when the lyrics are completed. Thanks for any help, Mick ============================================================================= My Little Problem (Church) You must have heard about my little problem Oh come on, you must have heard about it It's no ordinary problem, look in my eyes there can be no doubt about it And of course it gets worse at night, it gets late, things start to change Clock has stopped, the monitor is bawdry <--- (big guess on this) Hot late night bound to make us estranged Soft and new, over her shoulders, close shadow in the glare of the glow Factory billboards on outskirts of city Shine down new attractions to the traffic below Remember this day, remember this room Remember the singer singing I remember you, a certain flash, a certain lie Abandoning the afternoon as he sinks into night Fluorescent bedroom flicker starts to teach me to wonder I hear a mandolin, in the springs At the wardrobe floats the hint of a rumour Dressed in your beloved's finest things Can you hear the voices that are constantly talking Am I only one to see come to the roar Well I know, the form it is taking, it's not making sense anymore The way you say, you just want to help me The way your clinging is slinging me under The strength I need already denied me Your big ideas and your little wonder Remember this day, remember this room Remember the singer singing I remember you, a certain flash, a certain lie Abandoning the afternoon as he sinks into night Some people don't come over because of the problem I heard the tough guy won't answer his phone I wonder if he has the same kind of problem Little different culting of his own So take this plastic and rent me some wheels, or maybe I'll try to fly No reservations I'll see how it feels When I'm over your house, up in the sky And when the sun is squeezing through the blinds, you will be far away Two .......... sing the moon will have shined <--- (what *is* that) Deep in your dream, I hear you say, say Have you heard about my little problem, I just know that it isn't a secret It's just a very ordinary problem The secret doesn't matter if you keep it or leak it ============================================================================= From rfd@buclaa.bu.edu Mon Mar 6 07:46 PST 1995 From: rfd@buclaa.bu.edu (Richard F. Delano) Subject: Another Hindsighting I noticed on the Used-Music-Server (or whatever the hell it's called) that someone is selling a copy of _Hindsight_ for $18! The address listed was: emorris@pacifier.com I have no idea who this person is, but obviously he/she no longer has good musical taste :) JUst passing on the info... Rich Boston Univ. P.S. The _Hindsight_ I saw for $24 in Boston is gone P.P.S. Morten, be on the lookout for a package... From softconn!axel.buhrmann@iaccess.za Mon Mar 6 08:01 PST 1995 Subject: Introduction! From: axel.buhrmann@softconn.iaccess.za (Axel Buhrmann) Organization: SOFTWARE CONNECTION ONLINE 011 782 7129 Reply-To: axel.buhrmann@softconn.iaccess.za (Axel Buhrmann) In response to the following: MS>7: Q: What do I do as a new member? MS>A: You will receive a confirmation that you have been added on. MS>Once you do, it would be nice if you sent a quick introduction MS>of yourself to the rest of the members. Include such things as MS>how / when you found the Church, favorite album / song / paisley MS>shirt etc. Now that i have received the confirmation, I will introduce myself. 34 years old (with the looks and personality of a ten-year old going on to 80), living in South Africa and the off-spring of a German father and Dutch/Scottish/Irish/French (!) mother. Discovered The Church about five years ago when I read about 'em in Q, the English music mag... sounded just like one of the many types of music I am really into, I have all albums except (I believe) a double live; and even one maxi. The Church are not too well known in SA, but then, unless you're Whitney Houston :-t, not many other overtly commercial groups are either. Oh, and I like using the word "overtly" a lot. Maybe I'll find out whta it means _one_ day ;-) Axel :-% --- . OLX 2.1 TD . Press any key to continue or any other key to quit ---- ____ ___ ___ ___ ____ Software Connection Online _______________ ____ /_ / / /____ Tel: +27-11 782 7129 * Live Internet Access! ____ ___/ /__ /__/ ____ 18 Cd Roms Online * 4 Gigs of Main Board Files A Service from Africa's biggest Software Retailer - Software Connection From Salonen@aol.com Mon Mar 6 12:46 PST 1995 From: Salonen@aol.com Subject: Hindsight Someone is selling their copy of "Hindsight" for $18??? Maybe their taste in music is still intact but they're....starving???? That's what it would take for ME to sell off any Church stuff. Then again, I can go a long time without food and I cannot go more than a few hours without The Church. ; ) Denise From root@students.wisc.edu Mon Mar 6 13:18 PST 1995 X-Nupop-Charset: English From: "jeff ylvisaker" Sender: jrylvisa@students.wisc.edu Subject: letters please Thank you From aiendo@u.washington.edu Mon Mar 6 15:05 PST 1995 Mon, 6 Mar 95 15:04:30 -0800 X-Sender: aiendo@homer05.u.washington.edu From: Ai Endo Cc: Church List Subject: Re: Lyrics help here's a couple of mistakes (i believe), -henny On Mon, 6 Mar 1995, Mick Anderson wrote: > Soft and new, over her shoulders, close shadow in the glare of the glow ***soft and new,*all over your shoulders*, *cold* shadow > Remember the singer singing I remember you, a certain flash, a certain lie *****Remember the (i'm not sure) *season*? > Am I only one to see come to the roar ****only one to *succumb* From @msu.edu:nelsonk@egr.msu.edu Mon Mar 6 15:15 PST 1995 Mon, 06 Mar 95 18:14:26 EST X-Sender: nelsonk@egr.msu.edu From: nelsonk@egr.msu.edu (Kirk E. Nelson) Subject: Re: Lyrics help Mick Anderson wrote (all irrelevent material deleted): >Here's another one that needs fixing. Again, I have the chords sussed and >will post when the lyrics are completed. > >Thanks for any help, > >Mick >============================================================================= > My Little Problem (Church) > Clock has stopped, the monitor is bawdry <--- (big guess on this) Clock has stopped, thermometer is bulging (yours is funnier, though!). > Hot late night bound to make us estranged > Soft and new, over her shoulders, close shadow in the glare of the glow I think it is "cold shadow." > Am I only one to see come to the roar Am I the only one to succumb to the roar. > Two .......... sing the moon will have shined <--- (what *is* that) Can't crack this one either. About a month ago some people suggested that Kilbey's "little problem" was addiction. To me, this song is a fairly straightforward love song. Am I missing something? Kirk -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kirk Nelson "Here in this desert, beneath the sun and stars/ Still troubled by the rumbling of http://web.egr.msu.edu/~nelsonk a million distant cars" -The Church From aiendo@u.washington.edu Mon Mar 6 18:14 PST 1995 Mon, 6 Mar 95 18:13:12 -0800 X-Sender: aiendo@homer11.u.washington.edu From: Ai Endo Subject: T-shirt Lyric Votes!!! (pt.1) Okay, all, here's the first election for possible t-shirt lyrics. Man, there's so many, i'm not kidding. I guess we'll say everyone choose 20 (no more, no less!!) that you like, hm, make that 30. THIRTY lyrics you want to keep. I'll tally the top thirty and post them. This is to reject the ones that don't have a chance officially, and everyone who suggested lyrics won't feel they haven't been heard. Send me (with the above subject) your votes with the NUMBERS ONLY. ie, if you liked lyric 10, the number 10 would be in your list of votes. (i'm not sounding condescending, am i? not trying to.). I shall now type these up, please vote for 30 of them (those of you ordering shirts only, of course). only one vote for a lyric per ballot- you canNOT vote for one lyric that you like 30 times- the point of this is to get a consensus of possibilities. And with no further delay, here are the candidates.....(there's 76!!) Drumroll, Richard...... 1)For all time 2)Software sings and hardware hears 3)In the empty place the soul stripped bare/of skins and heart and i come apart 4)The music surreal/and you almost could feel that there's nothing wrong 5)The more I see, the less I look/ here's another name I took 6)What's real and what's dreamt become close and entwine 7)Certain ideas have changed through the years/I purchased some tears just to see me through 8)I want these words to be the things/I hope you'd realized/to be in your eyes 9)It was clear in coming here/I must have put the skin before the heart 10)One day/doubtless, cloudless, bright/We'll shake away the shadows of eternal night/It's just the calm before the storm/like the life held in your plam-it's clay/Ond day 11)And men and gods begin their dance for their time has begun 12)Close to you, hear all you say/even though you're continents away 13)Just like the winter your memory thaws/just like the ocean your memory pours 14)It's already yesterday/we're off the calendar 15)Wish I knew what you were looking for/might have known what you would find 16)Long distance century buzzes and fades/an automatic charge on your mind/the glittering minutes, jangled decades/we've got to grind, grind it out 17)From a time when sorrow was set free/From a land of doubt and misery/From a suburb listed locally/When the sun was blotted out of the sky/when the wind will refuse to die/there was only you and I 18)But a part of me will never be free/and the part that's free will never be me 19)Buckle like a wreck on a cold green sea/like you were a ripple in my memory 20)In deserts where the dust storm blows/and lush black swamps where mandrake grows/we're marching, laughing to the drum/waiting for those kings to come 21)The circus sun in Nero's eye/the lions and the christians rise/software sings and hardware hears/we're destined babe to live these years 22)We'll send a sign to you over the sea 23)I've been waiting, seems like eternity/i've been waiting, waiting for you/I'm still waiting, if you remember me/ I'll be waiting, waiting for you 24)Hi to all the people that are selling me/here's one straight from the factory/they sew my eyes up in their sockets/i dip my hand into their pockets 25)Late at night when I'm lying in bed/I've got to say a prayer for my daily bread/and early in the morning when i'm still asleep/you sit upon a throne making grown men weep with boredom 26)We used to float around her weightless bedroom/that drove me right up the wall 27)Don't forget me/don't regret me/don't replace and don't upset me/but don't forget to come and get me someday 28)Last night I overheard your prayers/it's emptiness that scares/disappearing in thin air/to a lost place down the road 29)I'm not exact but i'm not insane/i clutched at someone in the dark again/it's so hard to remember her name/she never said 30)I parked my car by some memories/and told my story to the laughing trees 31)It's not a religion, it's just a technique/It's just a way of making me speak/Distance and speed have left us too meek/Destination looks kind of bleak 32)It's not a religion, it's just a technique 33)You're just an antenna/you're just a gauge/you disturb my slumber and round up the numbers and put them inside your velvety cage 34)I dream I'm safe/in my hotel womb/soft and soul-made/it's a wonderful room 35)Emerald haunt in overdrive/nightmare descent into Jericho City 36)Back from software limbo the natives call today 37)The guys with brains are all bitter and vain/the guys with luck get the bimbos and bucks 38)There's a thousand tongues wagging in your ears tonight 39)Sensory gifts to all who come 40)It may not be Eden or summer in Greece 41)Beyond that void there's a place 42)Deep space jam on an alien terrain 43)The fountains gush wine/the chimneys spurt flowers/where me and my friends pass the fleeting hours 44)And once it's started up it cannot be stopped/at least it's holding us together 45)You can be halfway/you can be all there 46)So deep, deep without a meaning 47)Breathing all the wasted hours/talking to the dying flowers/dwarfed by spires and tangled towers/we don't ask the reason why 48)We're together in the future/you and I and her together/all our fates are intermingled/we are plural we are single 49)The fans blow secrets on the night/out of mind but not out of sight 50)It's heavenly I say 51)I embraced a machine/i went through the routine 52)Guess the nature of our enterprise 53)Here's a number you can try to ring 54)A thousand powdered parts/past the sun and moon/the hint of timelessness splashed on this afternoon 55)Don't leave your thoughts unguarded 56)Such a sad place/such a lost world 57)And people so familiar/their words are in my mind 58)Funny how they shape your thoughts 59)Telling stories everyone's heard/My box of ghosts bids me goodnight/clockwork spirits have the last word/10,000 miles away 60)The echo of another time, an age of beauty 61)You gotta be some creature to get a room in here 62)Reproduced mechanically and electronically/a symphony of frequencies delivering a slithering sound a pound of flesh caught in a mesh of pressure 63)Days full of music/Nights full of music/Music all the time 64)You can leave your body, know the technique/leave for two minutes or for two weeks/your leave your work and your pleasure undone/and you can leave your clothes on 65)The future ingests us as the past spits us out 66)Take this daring leap/wake, you've been asleep/go,attack your life/the paint is peeling scrape to save what's yours 67)And, as the city grows/electric people, nobody knows 68)Girl and a sailor and a hotdog trailor/that's their Holy Grail 69)It's never as good as I hoped or as bad as i feared 70)People say to see is to believe/then they just believe in that they can perceive/what they see is not the total view/filtered between the me and you 71)It hurts to think that in a hundred years we'll all just be microfiche/our names and the names of our songs catalogued and filed away 72)Here, the difference between close and near 73)We're interrupted by the telephone/you didn't think they were invented then 74)Come and see the wild things that are just beyond the door 75)Our instruments have no way of measuring this feeling 76)In the space between our bodies/the air has grown small fingers There you go! Exercise your right! -henny From james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Mon Mar 6 18:55 PST 1995 X-Sender: ou004859@brandywine.otago.ac.nz From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: TAB for Secret corners >Thanks to all who contibuted with Guitar Tabs ! >Is there anyone of that have Secret Corners figured out ? >Per. Someone's already passed on the chords, but...sigh. I should get paid for this... Try: |-------3-|-------3-|-------3-|---------|--------| |-------1-|-------1-|-----1-1-|-----010-|------0-| |-----0---|-----0---|---2-----|---------|--------| repeat ad nauseum |---2-----|---0-----|-3-------|---------|----0---| |-3-------|-2-------|---------|---3-----|--------| |---------|---------|---------|-5-------|--3-----| * * this 1 is hammered on and off. the 5 on the bass E could be played as an open A string. This doesn't sound "right", but the stretch is pretty hard on the left hand otherwise... James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago. Ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand pixelphone james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz / steam megaphone NZ 03-455-7807 * You talk to me as if from a distance * and I reply with impressions chosen from another time, time, time, * from another time (Brian Eno) From stefan@counterpoint.com Mon Mar 6 19:37 PST 1995 From: stefan@counterpoint.com (Stefan Kozlowski) Subject: The Church Reply-To: stefan@counterpoint.com subscribe From billis@counterpoint.com Mon Mar 6 19:40 PST 1995 From: billis@counterpoint.com subscribe From eemsho77@Calvin.EDU Mon Mar 6 19:54 PST 1995 From: Eve Emshoff Subject: Re: T-shirt Lyric Votes!!!. . .an added note! Cc: seance AND. . .please put a top five at the end of your list, please!!!! That will help to narrow things down further. :) Thanks, Eve From n9282183@janice.cc.wwu.edu Mon Mar 6 20:24 PST 1995 From: "Nicole B. Hall" Cc: Church List Subject: Re: Lyrics help Well, I attempted the Business Woman and Lullaby (was it?) lyrics as well, but I couldn't find anything I knew was different than what you had. maybe if no one is answering that means they're right? or else we're all consumed with thoughts of shirt lyrics ;) > Clock has stopped, the monitor is bawdry thermometer is bulging. (not so sure about the bulging part, but i'm sure about thermometer) > Soft and new, over her shoulders, close shadow in the glare of the glow cold shadow > Remember the singer singing I remember you, a certain flash, a > certain lie A sudden flash, a sudden light > Abandoning the afternoon as he sinks into night as it sinks > At the wardrobe floats the hint of a rumour Out of the wardrobe > Am I only one to see come to the roar succumb to their roar > I heard the tough guy won't answer his phone top guy? > Two .......... sing the moon will have shined <--- (what I hear "deep afternoon ..... the moon will have shined" Nicole (aka Anna Miranda) | Nicole Hall | I'll try to write you a | | Western Washington University | letter from the cyclone's eye | | n9282183@henson.cc.wwu.edu | -The Church | From HARASYMI@bcvms.bc.edu Tue Mar 7 00:46 PST 1995 From: LEW Subject: Greetings ... Reply-To: harasymi@bcvms.bc.edu X-Vms-To: IN%"seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM" X-Vms-Cc: HARASYMI Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hello everyone, As usual, it took me a while to get things together, but I finally have all in place. As such I am now ready to post my intro. My name is Lew and I'm a second year law student at Boston College, although I'm originally from Chicago. I first heard the Church when Starfish came out, as I'm sure a lot of people did. My first exposure - "Under the Milky Way" of course. I really dug that song and went out and got the album. I found it to be one of the best albums I had ever bought. With that I went out and progressively got as many albums as I could find. Over time my second favorites tend to change, although my most favorite has always been Heyday (since I bought it). Currently (in case any of you were wondering) The Blurred Crusade is in second. My favorite Church memory is seeing them at a free show in Chicago back in '91 I believe. Actually, I the show was not free - a local radio station (WXRT) was giving out tickets for it. They would drive to various parts of the city to give them away and the object was to listen to the radio for your chance to pick them up. The show was amazing - a large place (Navy Pier) but with a small atmosphere. Needless to say I really enjoyed it. Well, hopefully that gives you a quick enough look into my life. Lew -- -----Lew J. Harasymiw -------- harasymi@bcvms.bc.edu ------------- BC Law | "God is dead." | "Nietzsche is dead." - Nietzsche | - God | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From mrg@splode.mame.mu.OZ.AU Tue Mar 7 02:13 PST 1995 X-Authentication-Warning: splode.mame.mu.OZ.AU: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM From: matthew green Subject: Re: TAB for Secret corners <199503070251.PAA23171@arwen.otago.ac.nz> Sender: mrg@mame.mu.OZ.AU |-------3-|-------3-|-------3-|---------|--------| |-------1-|-------1-|-----1-1-|-----010-|------0-| |-----0---|-----0---|---2-----|---------|--------| repeat ad nauseum |---2-----|---0-----|-3-------|---------|----0---| |-3-------|-2-------|---------|---3-----|--------| |---------|---------|---------|-5-------|--3-----| * i'm fairly sure it looks something like this: |-------3-|-------3-|-------3-|----------------| |-------1-|-------1-|-----1-1-|-----010------0-| |-----0---|-----0---|---2-----|----------------| repeat ad nauseum |---2-----|---0-----|-3-------|---2--------0---| |-3-------|-2-------|---------|-0--------------| |---------|---------|---------|----------3-----| * this 1 is hammered on and off. the 5 on the bass E could be played as an open A string. This doesn't sound "right", but the stretch is pretty hard on the left hand otherwise... there's also the bit "run to the secret corners..." that is `Am Em F' i think.. .mrg. no comments on `you took' ? From mrg@splode.mame.mu.OZ.AU Tue Mar 7 03:01 PST 1995 james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) X-Authentication-Warning: splode.mame.mu.OZ.AU: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM, james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) From: matthew green Subject: Re: TAB for Secret corners <199503071012.VAA11191@splode.mame.mu.OZ.AU> Sender: mrg@mame.mu.OZ.AU there's also the bit "run to the secret corners..." that is `Am Em F' i think.. try `Am Em G F' or so. there's also some random F's put between the riff from time to time. From micka@jolt.mpx.com.au Tue Mar 7 03:29 PST 1995 From: Mick Anderson Subject: Re: Lyrics help A big thanks to everyone who shared their thoughts on the lyrics. Boy you people have some good ears out there. It put me to shame a little - might have to trade mine in soon. I'll finalise the lyrics + chords for both "My Little Problem" and "Business Woman" and post them tomorrow night I hope. On another point completely, there was a thread a little while ago about the bands sense of humour. Well at the Sydney concert a few years ago, somebody I think yelled out a request for "Unguarded Moment". Steve obviously wasn't keen on the idea, but proceeded to sing the words to it Bee Gees style. That's early Bee Gees as in pre-disco. I think he might have sung it to the tune of "I Can't See Nobody" or maybe "To Love Somebody" but I can't put my finger on it. I figure he's pulled this stunt other times, but it sure caused plenty of laughs in the audience. Anyone happen to know which Bee Gees song that was? Mick From stoneg@a1wotvax.wotvax.rdgmts.MTS.dec.com Tue Mar 7 07:39 PST 1995 Tue, 07 Mar 95 07:14:54 -0800 Posted: Tue, 07 Mar 95 14:54:01 -0800 Sender: stoneg@a1wotvax.wotvax.rdgmts.MTS.dec.com From: "Graham Stone" Subject: Re Lyrics.... Msg-Class: ALL-IN-1 IOS Server for VMS V3.0 PBL123A BRITISH 21-MAR-1992 [This message is converted from WPS-PLUS to ASCII] Thanks to Henny for typing allo of those lyrics in, typo's and mistakes don't matter much at this stage, but - and this is just a thought, probably one that others have had too - once we've chosen the lyric(s) for the Shirt(s) it might be a good idea to check they're correct *before* we use them... Graham BTW my favourite wasn't on the list (although I don't think I submitted it for consideration, so that's my fault!) "Distant, alone beneath the platinum stars...." From jweber@knox.edu Tue Mar 7 11:29 PST 1995 From: "E. Galbanum Emerson" Cc: James Dignan , seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Subject: intro howdy...i am 19, a frosh at a SMALL lib. arts college....first got into the church when my sister bought priest=aura....bought starfish when it cam out...hotel womb is STILL my favorite song...saw them summer of 93 at a free (win tickets thing) show..all acoustic, just Steve and Marty...INCREDIBLE SHOW!!!!!! anyho...anyone have tab/chords for reptile and or hotel womb? mmm... ================================================================= E. Galbanum Emerson ; "Masquerade...all the faces on parade } Knox College ; } Galesburg IL, 61401 ; Phantom of The Opera } ================================================================= From aiendo@u.washington.edu Tue Mar 7 14:58 PST 1995 Tue, 7 Mar 95 14:57:38 -0800 X-Sender: aiendo@homer20.u.washington.edu From: Ai Endo Subject: Votes Recorded Hi, thanks to everyone who voted already, here's a list of who I've received votes from so far. If you're not on the list, please send your votes again, thanks! ps- I'll make the deadline for votes to be next Tuesday or Wednesday, so that gives you a week...should be enough time, right? :) Those of whose votes I've received: Lily Rabbit, Thomas Irv, Kirk E. Nelson, Eve Emshoff, Nicole B. Hall, BLD, Nicole Hendrix, Graham Stone, NJ Andrew, David Radzanowski, Vernon Harmon, Kirk S. Jackson, Jason Benda, Jeff Ylvisaker, Raymond Glass -henny From james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Tue Mar 7 16:41 PST 1995 X-Sender: ou004859@brandywine.otago.ac.nz From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Re: TAB for Secret corners Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM > > |-------3-|-------3-|-------3-|---------|--------| > |-------1-|-------1-|-----1-1-|-----010-|------0-| > |-----0---|-----0---|---2-----|---------|--------| repeat ad nauseum > |---2-----|---0-----|-3-------|---------|----0---| > |-3-------|-2-------|---------|---3-----|--------| > |---------|---------|---------|-5-------|--3-----| > * > >i'm fairly sure it looks something like this: > > |-------3-|-------3-|-------3-|----------------| > |-------1-|-------1-|-----1-1-|-----010------0-| > |-----0---|-----0---|---2-----|----------------| repeat ad nauseum > |---2-----|---0-----|-3-------|---2--------0---| > |-3-------|-2-------|---------|-0--------------| > |---------|---------|---------|----------3-----| You could be right - it would certainly be a lot easier to play! >no comments on `you took' ? Haven't had an opportunity for a good look at it, but the harmonics for the bass certainly look right (from careful study of the video...) J. James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago. Ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand pixelphone james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz / steam megaphone NZ 03-455-7807 * You talk to me as if from a distance * and I reply with impressions chosen from another time, time, time, * from another time (Brian Eno) From jcs@CAM.ORG Tue Mar 7 21:23 PST 1995 (8.6.9/8.6.9 for ); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 00:23:50 -0500 X-Sender: jcs@pop.hip.cam.org From: jcs@CAM.ORG (Jory Anick) Subject: Unsubscribe Please unsubscribe me. Many Thx/. From jcs@CAM.ORG Tue Mar 7 21:36 PST 1995 (8.6.9/8.6.9 for ); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 00:35:44 -0500 X-Sender: jcs@pop.hip.cam.org From: jcs@CAM.ORG (Jory Anick) Subject: Unsubscribe Please unsubscribe me. Many Thx/. From aiendo@u.washington.edu Tue Mar 7 22:32 PST 1995 Tue, 7 Mar 95 22:31:37 -0800 X-Sender: aiendo@homer19.u.washington.edu From: Ai Endo Subject: Re: Votes Recorded Here's a revised list as of now: > Lily Rabbit, Thomas Irv, Kirk E. Nelson, Eve Emshoff, Nicole B. Hall, BLD, > Nicole Hendrix, Graham Stone, NJ Andrew, David Radzanowski, Vernon Harmon, > Kirk S. Jackson, Jason Benda, Jeff Ylvisaker, Raymond Glass Tyrone ONeill, Salonen, Lew J Harasymiw, Rachel Gue From micka@jolt.mpx.com.au Wed Mar 8 04:09 PST 1995 From: Mick Anderson Subject: Some chords Hi gang, Here's the two finished songs: ============================================================================= Business Woman (Church) F Bb F F Bb Bb F Bbsus4 Bb [ ] x2 F Gm Am Imagine her, all of her wealth, and in the arms of somebody else C I imagine her in bed F Gm Am With her communication skills, cabinet full of creams and pills C Paying the bills, being well read Dm7 C Dm7 C Bb You'll never understand, the wonderful mind of the woman Am C Powerful beauty in her eyes E D Look at that business woman, she's got a head on her shoulders E C Look at that business woman, she's not that much older than you F Gm Am And she reveals inner soul, stopped like the flutters in death's robes C When she reveals her secret life F Gm Am All of the gifts come dear and swift, promise her anything only if C You're gonna have to leave your wife Dm7 C Dm7 C Bb She'll never understand, the wonderful mind of the woman Am C Beautiful power in her eyes E D Look at that business woman, she's got a head on her shoulders E C Look at that business woman, she's not that much older than you F Bb F F Bb Bb F Bbsus4 Bb [ ] x2 E / / / D / / / E / / / C / / / F Gm Am And when she comes the stars explode, exquisite results in input mode C Just when she comes she's suddenly gone F Gm Am Maybe you'll find her maybe you won't, maybe she loves you baby she don't C Maybe you'll find you are alone Dm7 C Dm7 C Bb You'll never comprehend, all of her means all of her ends Am C Business woman in her eyes E D Look at that business woman, she's got a head on her shoulders E C Look at that business woman, she's not that much older than you E D Look at that business woman, she's got a head on her shoulders E C Look at that business woman, she's not that much older than you ============================================================================= My Little Problem (Church) Bb / Bb(add E) Bb F / Fmaj7 F C / / / / / / / [ ] x3 Bb F You must have heard about my little problem Bb F Oh come on, you must have heard about it Bb F C It's no ordinary problem, look in my eyes there can be no doubt about it Bb F Bb F And of course it gets worse at night, it gets late, things start to change Bb F Clock has stopped thermometer is bulging C Hot late night bound to make us estranged Bb F Bb F Soft and new, all over her shoulders, cold shadow in the glare of the glow Bb F Factory billboards on outskirts of city C Shine down new attractions to the traffic below Dm C Dm Remember this day, remember this room C Gm Bb Dm Bb Remember the singer singing I remember you, a sudden flash, a sudden light C Abandoning the afternoon as it sinks into night Bb / Bb(add E) Bb F / Fmaj7 F C / / / / / / / [ ] x3 Bb F Fluorescent bedroom flicker starts to teach me to wonder Bb F I hear a mandolin, in the springs Bb F Out the wardrobe floats the hint of a rumour C Dressed in your beloved's finest things Bb F Can you hear the voices that are constantly talking Bb F Am I only one to succumb to their roar Bb F C Well I know, the form it is taking, it's not making sense anymore Bb F The way you say, you just want to help me Bb F The way your clinging is slinging me under Bb F C The strength I need already denied me, your big ideas and your little wonder Dm C Dm Remember this day, remember this room C Gm Bb Dm Bb Remember the singer singing I remember you, a sudden flash, a sudden light C Abandoning the afternoon as it sinks into night Bb / Bb(add E) Bb F / Fmaj7 F C / / / / / / / [ ] x3 Bb F Some people don't come over because of the problem Bb F I heard the tough guy won't answer his phone Bb F C I wonder if he has the same kind of problem, a little difficulty of his own Bb F Bb F So take this plastic and rent me some wheels, or maybe I'll try to fly Bb F No reservations I'll see how it feels C When I'm over your house, up in the sky Bb F Bb F And when the sun is squeezing through the blinds, you will be far away Bb F Deep afternoon seeing the moon will have shined C Deep in your dream, I hear you say, say Bb F Bb F Have you heard about my little problem, I just know that it isn't a secret Bb F It's just a very ordinary problem C The secret doesn't matter if you keep it or leak it Bb / / / F / / / C / / / / / / / [ ] x3 Repeat and fade ============================================================================= Some notes about MLP: Bb(add E) is played as a regular Bb barred on fret 1 without the barre: ====== xx|||| |||||| ||ooo| Also, if you want to play along with the CD you might find a problem. Some of the tracks on my "Sometime Anywhere" CD are not in perfect pitch. For MLP, I had to tune the guitar down about 1/3 of a semi-tone. You'll see what I mean if you try and get your guitar in tune with the song. As for you piano players ... my commiserations. :) But for any of you wanting to do TABs or CRDs for the SA album keep in mind to make sure the song is in tune. On a couple of the songs I had to tune down about 1/2 a semitone. Other songs were in perfect tune, so I don't know what was going on in that studio at the time. Mick From cvenem98@Calvin.EDU Wed Mar 8 08:52 PST 1995 From: Conrad Venema Subject: Indroduction Cc: "H.Conrad P. Venema" Hello fella's (and ladies), I have just been added to the list, so I guess I will begin by indroducing myself. My name is undoubtably Conrad Venema, and I am currently 20 years of age. I hail from Vancouver, BC Canada, but am currently going to school in Michigan at Calvin College as a Geography major. Anyways I "discovered" the church about 4 years ago, curtisey of my elderly brother. You could very well say that he enlightened me. Anyways, my favourate album is definately Preist=Aura, and favourate single, well, this is very difficult, but I would have to say either Ripple, You took, or disinchanted. Anyways, I am glad to be here and will talk to everyone later, Conrad Venema From aiendo@u.washington.edu Wed Mar 8 11:09 PST 1995 Wed, 8 Mar 95 10:08:32 -0800 X-Sender: aiendo@homer12.u.washington.edu From: Ai Endo Subject: Votes Recorded Lily Rabbit, Thomas Irv, Kirk E. Nelson, Eve Emshoff, Nicole B. Hall, BLD, Nicole Hendrix, Graham Stone, NJ Andrew, David Radzanowski, Vernon Harmon, Kirk S. Jackson, Jason Benda, Jeff Ylvisaker, Raymond Glass, Tyrone ONeill, Salonen, Lew J. Harasymiw, Rachel Gue, James Dignan, Brian Smith, Pdr Ekstrand (how do you pronounce 'Pdr'?), Bobby Rothrock, Peter Karlsson, Magnus Carlqvist, David Furst, Anders Faerden Ta da! -henny From aiendo@u.washington.edu Wed Mar 8 11:09 PST 1995 Wed, 8 Mar 95 10:01:07 -0800 X-Sender: aiendo@homer12.u.washington.edu From: Ai Endo Cc: SEANCE , "H.Conrad P. Venema" Subject: Re: Indroduction hi, welcome, something in your email made me smile. you put you discovered the church from you 'elderly brother.' do you mean your 'elder' brother, or is your brother in fact around sixty or older? i can just imagine this old man, who never talks and just listens to the church in his room in an old house.... -henny ps- i'm in seattle, not too far from vancouver...mae moore's from vancouver, too. From aiendo@u.washington.edu Wed Mar 8 11:21 PST 1995 Wed, 8 Mar 95 09:52:54 -0800 X-Sender: aiendo@homer12.u.washington.edu From: Ai Endo Cc: Church List Subject: Re: Some chords Hey, thanks a lot for the chords you've posted, it's a blast. And also to everyone else who've posted chords, thankya! -henny From pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Wed Mar 8 13:38 PST 1995 From: Paul Maurice Webb Subject: shirt I know the votes are in, but I was listening to "nightmare" this morning, and I heard a line that pretty much sums up this list for me at least: I wanna use up my useless hours :) -paul From stefan@counterpoint.com Wed Mar 8 14:39 PST 1995 From: stefan@counterpoint.com (Stefan Kozlowski) Subject: Hi Reply-To: stefan@counterpoint.com Hi: My name is Stefan Kozlowski and I just joined the list. Vital Stats: 31 years Old (Guitar Player) Found the Church in 1985 through a close friend. I have seen the entire band 3 times. I have seen Kilbey twice solo and the same for Marty. Fav Album: This is a tough one....it generally ends up being the most recent...but if I had to choose...Seance (1st) ...Sometime Anywhere/Somewhere Else(2nd) and then maybe Priest=Aura and Starfish (tied for 3rd) Fav Song: Too many to mention...most of them Least Fav Song: BUSINESS WOMAN SUCKS!!!!! Fav Thing About The Church: The guitars (sense of melody) --Stefan From p92-mct@sm.luth.se Wed Mar 8 16:06 PST 1995 From: Magnus Carlqvist Subject: SEANCE Hello, world ! As a new "member", recently added to the list, it's time to introduce myself. My name is Magnus Carlqvist, age 25, from Akersberga outside of Stockholm, Sweden. I've been studying computer-science for the last three years at Luleaa University (up in the northern parts of Sw.). Discovered the Church some 10 years ago, and has been addicted ever since. Favourite albums are the B.Crusade, Starfish and G.A. Fix. Favorite songs: Unsubstantiated, Hotel Womb, Ripple, Pharoah, Into my hands, Disenchanted, Almost with you ... I would love to get a copy of any live-recordings with the band, so if you're interested in selling me a tape - quality of non importance - please let me know. Maybe I've got something that you're interested in ... Nice to be here, Magnus From jwithrow@capital.edu Wed Mar 8 17:07 PST 1995 From: jwithrow@capital.edu (Jason Withrow) Subject: Inside the Shadow Cabinet... Does anyone know what this song is about? All this talk about lyrics made me go back and read the words for this excellent song. I really couldn't come up with any ideas that fit the whole song, though. How about the next couple of lines (which happen to be personal favorites) "offers her chaos to me" (I swear women do this to me all the time...) "the way oaths and oafs interfere" (sounds like life sometimes) Thanks for listening to my babbling, Jason From james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Wed Mar 8 17:33 PST 1995 X-Sender: ou004859@brandywine.otago.ac.nz From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Re: Indroduction Cc: Eve Emshoff , seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM >indroducing myself. My name is undoubtably Conrad Venema, and I am >currently 20 years of age. I hail from Vancouver, BC Canada, but am >currently going to school in Michigan at Calvin College as a Geography I hereby declare Grand Rapids the Church Capital of the US! James James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago. Ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand pixelphone james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz / steam megaphone NZ 03-455-7807 * You talk to me as if from a distance * and I reply with impressions chosen from another time, time, time, * from another time (Brian Eno) From TAOBERLY@delphi.com Wed Mar 8 18:30 PST 1995 From: Todd Oberly Subject: Dave Kendall & The Church X-Vms-To: IN%"seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT > The time of the interviews that took place on the promo that I am talking > about were a lot older than that horredous interview with Dave Kendall. > I'm sure this MTV interview has been discussed before but ... it was > unbelievably awful !!! I remember being so excited when I heard the Church > were going to be on 120 Minutes. Then came thet question from Mr. Kendal, > "So, you guys are the Church" ... ... (silence) ... Hahahahaha! Oh, I missed that show! Is this interview available on any of the bootleg videos? I have to admit that I liked Kendall (mostly for his hats), but I think I'd like even more to watch him squirm! ;-) But isn't he Australian?? I'm trying to recall his accent... (No offense to you folks down under if I'm wrong.) Then he certainly should have known more about the band. > I was so psyched when Kendall was finally let go. Then came the current > fool, who now fills in whenever they can't find a guest band to host. There > has got to be someone of quality who they can get for this position. The > name just came back to me-->>Lewis Largent. Perhaps no one with good credentials wants to shake a stick at MTV anymore? Can't say I blame them. -Todd From rgue@capital.edu Wed Mar 8 18:43 PST 1995 From: rgue@capital.edu (Rachel Gue) Subject: Re: Dave Kendall & The Church I've got that interview on tape (granted, it's not that great of a copy, considering it's a couple years old), if anyone wants a copy of it. I don't think Dave Kendall's Australian, though. I could be wrong. -Rachel From Billis188@aol.com Wed Mar 8 21:00 PST 1995 From: Billis188@aol.com Subject: New guy Greetings all! I'm new to this list. My name is Bill Lindsay. I'm 31 years old and live in Boston, Mass. I've been an avid Church fan since 1983, when a friend working at my college radio station gave me a tape of the first Church album. Since then, I've been grabbing every piece of recorded work by the band or any of its members that I've been able to get my hands on. Since 1986, I've seen the Church live 5 times, Marty solo twice and Kilbey solo once and once with Jack Frost. But it has now been 4 or 5 years since I last saw The Church live, so I hope they'll be heading to the Northeast USA for some shows that you can actually buy tickets to (as opposed to having to win them from a radio station) sometime before the end of the milennium! It is very difficult for me to pick one favorite Church record because that changes depending on my mood, but my top choices tend to be "Of Skins and Heart," "Starfish," "The Blurred Crusade," and "Priest=Aura." I like the new one a lot too, but I still have difficulty seeing that one in the same light as the others, since the band is now just a duo. And, as a guitar player, I miss the interplay between MWP's and Peter Koppes' distinct styles. Favorite songs and lyrics are hard to pick because there are so many good ones, but I'll take a stab at it: "Kings," "Tear It All Away," "Sisters," "Destination," "Antenna," "The View," "Field of Mars" and "An Interlude" ... Is that enough? :-). Ask me again next week and you'd probably get a different list. Even after 12 years, I can still find new and interesting things in The Church's music, even the older stuff. My least favorite Church songs are much easier to pick: "Youth Worshipper" and "Business Woman." Fortunately, like most great bands, the Church have very few weak songs. I also like Marty and Steve's solo work quite a bit, particularly Marty's "Art Attack" and "Spirit Level," and Steve's "Remindlessness." And finally, from first-hand encounters, I can second Mr. Kozlowski's recent post about Marty's penchant for pot. That's all for now. Cheers, - Bill From cvenem98@Calvin.EDU Wed Mar 8 21:19 PST 1995 From: Conrad Venema Subject: Re: Indroduction Cc: "H.Conrad P. Venema" On Thu, 9 Mar 1995, James Dignan wrote: > >indroducing myself. My name is undoubtably Conrad Venema, and I am > >currently 20 years of age. I hail from Vancouver, BC Canada, but am > >currently going to school in Michigan at Calvin College as a Geography > > I hereby declare Grand Rapids the Church Capital of the US! > > James > > James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago. > > Ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand > pixelphone james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz / steam megaphone NZ 03-455-7807 > > * You talk to me as if from a distance > * and I reply with impressions chosen from another time, time, time, > * from another time (Brian Eno) > > > I Couldn't have put it better myself!!! ttyl, Conrad P.S. your subscript of Brian Eno reminded me that he, Daniel Lanois and Micheal Brook have a compilation out together. I heard it was fenominal!! From cvenem98@Calvin.EDU Wed Mar 8 21:26 PST 1995 From: Conrad Venema Subject: Re: Dave Kendall & The Church Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM That is downright hilarious! If anyone has a copy of this interview, or knows how to get a hold of it let me know, I would love to get my hands on it. "So you guys are the Church!!!" Ha! Conrad On Wed, 8 Mar 1995, Todd Oberly wrote: > > > The time of the inter