/J7ݽ<%䛄ړꮈpzfE6_j;~;4n˥dʹG yպ6\ewfȞ7E/԰Ȭe98 m124v{[cQgs "dP92ϻo fg dɞpZe;׫ZIn^8^4qR2-Q(c_MA;?@,S% Q/X&fu _Lū8ɔ-+'Mj wɏ 0,4G iRˎILK ܎h8Y;BةD=ԕ,0gEͮ uׅ:h|QT+FwxFS[ޅxҬYRe~un<$@SeuP&.#ɬ{ Fdt('?)~`+brI,PppMgY.OH '-̺FUrkGVsW¨ϹX+#x [Mǀ:$2$2Ct [^ .,-m|bZKrftԆˆ?,3Ѩnp;u}ud S4T B0<|QX Ǻ#R ޭ=(p:l&x$F&KÂI`b}mwwW/㏎k0h?x{tSuqFebA"w8T($}BޖFh6>xs6INHҦ (Ȼ) RWQ (`SPJE U0CYqb}opn#Vx<bŭQLECtHպ4f* ҄kp.LEb$.u(RxLtLQ_ wnW[n`=yKٲ9w73k ]cz̋Yc[},UW_m+ Subject: Re: Subscribe/images/gigs Msg-Class: ALL-IN-1 IOS Server for VMS V3.0 PBL123A BRITISH 21-MAR-1992 [This message is converted from WPS-PLUS to ASCII] I thought 'JesusUK@aol.com' was a pretty cool address to be accessing the Church mailing list from... ...I suppose the rest of us are just the disciples then %^) BTW, regarding images etc for the Morten Web Page (and for the possible T-shirts) I have quite a lot of Photographs of The Church, some of which are verging on being good... If I can find the time to scan them I could make them available (somehow) if folks were interested... Also, if anyone going to the US shows gets chance to speak to Steve &/or Marty, put in a word for us here in the UK. We'd love them to come back particularly to the North West (Marty's home town is Liverpool..) I could even try to set up a gig for them, at The Wheatsheaf in Stoke-On-Trent if they were enterested... Graham Stone aka the_all_electric_hippy From mersh@tibalt.supernet.ab.ca Tue Jan 24 18:48 PST 1995 From: "Big E.S." Subject: Thanks, folks.... I leave my mail alone for ONE day and I end up with 64 messages about the worst Church song. Man, was this a slow couple of days for you all? :) Later... From brett@bio.usyd.edu.au Thu Feb 9 16:39 PST 1995 From: "B.L.D." Subject: USA Hi folks, I am a relatively new subscriber and have heard that the lads are currently touring around Ca: San Juan Cappicinno and Ventura etc, can anyone post a bit more info about the tour (destinations, length, maybe their set, etc). And, if you have heard what they have planned once the tour is finished that would also be useful. Cheers, Brett. From brett@bio.usyd.edu.au Sun Feb 12 13:53 PST 1995 From: "B.L.D." Subject: More DIDs? The Church Heyday & P=A Curious (yellow) I am Curious Died Pretty Doughboy Hollow "Soundtrack" The Double life of Veronique R.E.M. Document Bhagavad Guitars Foreverglades The Crystal Set From Now On Nick Cave & B S The Good Son Mae Moore Bohemia Straightjacket Fits Hail Cheers, Brett. From brett@bio.usyd.edu.au Wed Feb 15 13:15 PST 1995 From: "B.L.D." Subject: Curious lines "we left our children dreaming dreams of dreams we never know how they'll wake up if they laugh or they scream" Empress (Jansson/Kilbey) Charms and Blues Red Eye Records This one isn't off a Church album but comes from Curious (yellow)'s "Charms and Blues". It is Curious (yellow)'s only album to date, although Karin was guitarist with Pink Champagne and they released a couple of recordings. Much in the same vein as The Church, I find that Karin's songs convey a striking imagary. She is really quite a talent and I hope that we will be able to wrap our ears around many more offerings from her. For those unfamiliar with Karin Jansson, she is the identity behind Curious (yellow) and who, along with Steve, was responsible for bringing us "Under The Milky Way". Curious (yellow) have released two recordings, an EP titled "I am curious" and the afore mentioned "Charms and Blues". Both were produced by Steven, who also co-wrote some of the songs on Charms. Charms also features Boris Gudonov (SA) who helps out with some programming. Keep an eye out for "Invoice" Karin's next release. The album was recorded at K.H. and was produced by Boris, it will no doubt be well worth the wait. Apparently it is scheduled for release on Steve's Karmic Hit Records. From brett@bio.usyd.edu.au Sun Feb 19 21:25 PST 1995 From: "B.L.D." Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Subject: Re: Question: On Sun, 19 Feb 1995, Rachel Gue wrote: > > Does anyone know whatever happened to Richard Ploog or Peter Koppes? Just wondering! > > -Rachel As far as I know, Ploogy is not playing with anybody at the moment. Not long after he "left" The Church, he did drum for Sydney band Bell Jar but that was ages ago. He travels quite a bit but is back in Sydney at the moment, as we saw him on Saturday wandering the markets with carrot juice around his mouth! As for Pete??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? As a foot note, Bell Jar's Church connection is not restricted to Ploogy as Marty co-produced one of their early singles (Blood Red Roses). He also helped out on stage one night when the vocalist took sick. > From brett@bio.usyd.edu.au Wed Feb 22 17:18 PST 1995 From: "B.L.D." Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Subject: Re: T-Shirts Hi folks, I have a stack of photgraphs of the lads from over the years that I have done for various publications. I maintain the rights to them and would be happy to donate any if that is the way we go. Alternatively, what about something along the lines of the Quick Smoke cover? Cheers, Brett. From brett@bio.usyd.edu.au Wed Mar 1 17:04 PST 1995 From: "B.L.D." Cc: reichert@crayola.cse.psu.edu, seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Subject: Re: MTV Unplugged Hi there folks, Does anyone out there have either video or audio of the lads performing on MTV Unplugged? Cheers, Brett. From stoneg@a1wotvax.wotvax.rdgmts.MTS.dec.com Mon Jan 23 01:57 PST 1995 Mon, 23 Jan 95 01:52:31 -0800 Posted: Mon, 23 Jan 95 09:47:01 -0800 Sender: stoneg@a1wotvax.wotvax.rdgmts.MTS.dec.com From: "Graham Stone" Subject: GAF/TBT/Feel etc Msg-Class: ALL-IN-1 IOS Server for VMS V3.0 PBL123A BRITISH 21-MAR-1992 [This message is converted from WPS-PLUS to ASCII] Hi all, I've been reading the comments re, TBT, GAF, Don't open the door, Feel etc with interest, and thought I should throw in my two-penneth-worth... I think Travel by Thought is a superb experimental type track, lot's of ideas sort of like a musical collage - did someone already say that ? GAF - I like the album as whole, like many of you said it's one of the band's high points - but they have so many - Monday Morning is a particular favourite. Don't Open The Door.... this is one of my all-time favourite tracks. It sends shivers down my spine whenever I hear it, and I sort of feel an undercurrent of jealousy/posessiveness running through it - is this just me or does anyone else think that too ? Feel - the CD5 issue of this, is to me at least great ! It sits nicely with some of the Crystal Set remixes, The Orb, Trans-4-M etc - all things which find there way onto the turntable/into the CD player when I have a few friends around... Finally, Philthy (Phil presumably?) was mentioned, well this is a tentativew link, but bear with me a moment - Philthy Phil is in Motorhead, Motorhead were formed by Lemmy, ex of Hawkwind - as committed Church fans are we all also Hawkwinf fans ?? I know there's no similarity whatsoever, but I know a lot of people who like The Church and everyone of them likes Hawkwind too, similarly I know a lot of Hawkwind fans who also like The Church.... just wondering, thats all. Graham Distant, alone beneath the platinum stars... From stoneg@a1wotvax.wotvax.rdgmts.MTS.dec.com Wed Jan 25 06:07 PST 1995 Wed, 25 Jan 95 06:03:47 -0800 Posted: Wed, 25 Jan 95 13:55:01 -0800 Sender: stoneg@a1wotvax.wotvax.rdgmts.MTS.dec.com From: "Graham Stone" Subject: worst - Maybee these Boys etc Msg-Class: ALL-IN-1 IOS Server for VMS V3.0 PBL123A BRITISH 21-MAR-1992 [This message is converted from WPS-PLUS to ASCII] I'm sure everyone here already knows this but, just in case it's slipped everyones memory. In an interview a long time back SK said that 'Maybe These Boys' was written as a parody/spoof/piss-take whateva, of bands that make nothing but that type of record. With this in mind, I think it's unfair to put the song down - after all it's a very good attempt at that type of a song.... Graham BTW, I'll post my worst list tomorrow, after I've re-listened to a few LPeee's tonight.... From stoneg@a1wotvax.wotvax.rdgmts.MTS.dec.com Fri Jan 27 06:24 PST 1995 Fri, 27 Jan 95 06:17:04 -0800 Posted: Fri, 27 Jan 95 14:13:01 -0800 Sender: stoneg@a1wotvax.wotvax.rdgmts.MTS.dec.com From: "Graham Stone" Subject: Transaction.... Msg-Class: ALL-IN-1 IOS Server for VMS V3.0 PBL123A BRITISH 21-MAR-1992 [This message is converted from WPS-PLUS to ASCII] err, what's all this about 'no such thing' ?? My copy of 'Transaction' is a 12inch single - silver/grey cover, with a sort of grey-scale image of someone (SK?) in a hat, holding a wad of notes.... Graham From stoneg@a1wotvax.wotvax.rdgmts.MTS.dec.com Fri Jan 27 09:28 PST 1995 Fri, 27 Jan 95 09:22:29 -0800 Posted: Fri, 27 Jan 95 17:13:01 -0800 Sender: stoneg@a1wotvax.wotvax.rdgmts.MTS.dec.com From: "Graham Stone" Subject: No such thing... Msg-Class: ALL-IN-1 IOS Server for VMS V3.0 PBL123A BRITISH 21-MAR-1992 [This message is converted from WPS-PLUS to ASCII] Morten, thnaks for the clarification regarding the 'No such thing' EP. It looks like this another one for my 'buy it when I find it' list. BTW if anyone want's a copy of 'Slow Crack' on vinyl - unplayed, perfect condition - I bought it on sight for a friend, but when I next saw him he'd already ordered and payed for a copy himself. I've also got extra slightly used copies of most other albums on vinyl, which I may be prepared to swap or sell, If anyone is interested, send me a mail. Graham PS, Neil - I haven't forgotten your tapes, hopefully I'll finish them this w/e. From stoneg@a1wotvax.wotvax.rdgmts.MTS.dec.com Fri Feb 3 01:29 PST 1995 Fri, 03 Feb 95 01:19:18 -0800 Posted: Fri, 03 Feb 95 09:08:01 -0800 Sender: stoneg@a1wotvax.wotvax.rdgmts.MTS.dec.com From: "Graham Stone" Subject: Re Acoustic Shows.... Msg-Class: ALL-IN-1 IOS Server for VMS V3.0 PBL123A BRITISH 21-MAR-1992 [This message is converted from WPS-PLUS to ASCII] Hi folks, 'Lifes a Gas' is indeed a Marc Bolan/T-Rex song, the other track they covered would have been 'Cortez The Killer' by Neil Young. They played both of these at the acoustic shows in the UK last year which I hope someone, somewhere taped ! If anyone has a tape of any acoustic shows, I'd be glad to swap, pay moeney for or owe a favour to them - whatever it takes really. Graham BTW has there been any mention of any European/British gigs ? From stoneg@a1wotvax.wotvax.rdgmts.MTS.dec.com Fri Feb 10 06:33 PST 1995 Fri, 10 Feb 95 06:29:34 -0800 Posted: Fri, 10 Feb 95 14:18:01 -0800 Sender: stoneg@a1wotvax.wotvax.rdgmts.MTS.dec.com From: "Graham Stone" Subject: Echoes.... Msg-Class: ALL-IN-1 IOS Server for VMS V3.0 PBL123A BRITISH 21-MAR-1992 [This message is converted from WPS-PLUS to ASCII] Not Church related I'm afraid, but does anyone else get all the messages from the list twice ? it's as though there's an echo with a 1 day delay ! Graham From stoneg@a1wotvax.wotvax.rdgmts.MTS.dec.com Mon Feb 13 08:06 PST 1995 Mon, 13 Feb 95 07:59:11 -0800 Posted: Mon, 13 Feb 95 15:37:01 -0800 Sender: stoneg@a1wotvax.wotvax.rdgmts.MTS.dec.com From: "Graham Stone" Subject: Desert Island Discs Msg-Class: ALL-IN-1 IOS Server for VMS V3.0 PBL123A BRITISH 21-MAR-1992 [This message is converted from WPS-PLUS to ASCII] ------- Forwarded message Posted: Mon, 13 Feb 95 00:00:01 -0800 Author: "graham stone" Subject: Desert Island Discs [This message is converted from WPS-PLUS to ASCII] At the moment, mine would be :- SK - Remindlessness MWP - Art Attack The Church - Heyday/GAF/RL ?? Oh I don't know, A Church LPeee anyway BeBop Deluxe - Sunburst Finish Demon - Breakout Wings - Over America Jayhawks - Hollywood Town Hall Hawkwind - Space Ritual The Orb - Adventures beyond the Ultraworld Stone Roses - The Stone Roses The book would be 'Darkover Landfall' by Marion Zimmer-Bradley - sort of appropraite really - and the useless, inaminate object would be my beloved SuperBeta HiFi Video machine - useless ansd inaminate because there'd be no TV, no Tapes and no electricity. For those of you who are wondering what the last two bits are all about, well on Desert Island Discs , as well as the records they have to pick a book and something that would serve no purpose at all on a desert island. I think you only get to choose 8 *tracks* as well..... Graham Btw, this reminds of a story I've heard about DID. Many years ago, the programs producers pulled off something of a scoop :- Alastair Maclean, the famous Thriller writer was thought to be in London. He's known to be quite reclusive, and avoids all publicity - his personal life being very private. Well, the production team from the BBC managed to track him down at his Hotel and somehow set up a meeting at which the programs host (forget his name) would get to know Alastair, prior to doing the program in the studio. So, they met up at a Hotel, had lunch then went to the Beeb. As the program progressed he talked at great length of his family life, his love of the Canadian countryside etc, etc far more than any other source had ever uncovered about him... until finally the Producer (speaking through the hosts earpiece) says 'but what about the books, ask him about his books'. So finally the host tries to bring his books ('when 8 Bells toll' etc) into the conversation... "Oh, I'm not *that* Alastair Mclean" says the guy "I'm the Canadian minister for tourism....". Needless to say, this episode of Desert Island Discs was never broadcast ! ------- End of Forwarded message From stoneg@a1wotvax.wotvax.rdgmts.MTS.dec.com Wed Feb 15 06:58 PST 1995 Wed, 15 Feb 95 06:52:21 -0800 Posted: Wed, 15 Feb 95 14:36:01 -0800 Sender: stoneg@a1wotvax.wotvax.rdgmts.MTS.dec.com From: "Graham Stone" Subject: DIM Msg-Class: ALL-IN-1 IOS Server for VMS V3.0 PBL123A BRITISH 21-MAR-1992 [This message is converted from WPS-PLUS to ASCII] >> Marty In Reflection, Spirit Level >> Steve Remindlessness (on cassette to get the extra songs) ^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^ .... Rhonda, am I missing something here ? What extra songs ?? Graham (confirmed Vinyl junkie) From stoneg@a1wotvax.wotvax.rdgmts.MTS.dec.com Wed Feb 15 07:18 PST 1995 Wed, 15 Feb 95 07:12:37 -0800 Posted: Wed, 15 Feb 95 15:04:01 -0800 Sender: stoneg@a1wotvax.wotvax.rdgmts.MTS.dec.com From: "Graham Stone" Subject: favourite lines... Msg-Class: ALL-IN-1 IOS Server for VMS V3.0 PBL123A BRITISH 21-MAR-1992 [This message is converted from WPS-PLUS to ASCII] "it's a long way home from the fields of Mars, distant, alone, beneath the platinum stars...." Send shivers down my spine whenever I hear it. Conjures up images of the last survivor, standing alone, surrounded by the bodies of his countrymen and enemies on a silent, deserted battlefield in some far off foriegn land. Graham From stoneg@a1wotvax.wotvax.rdgmts.MTS.dec.com Fri Feb 24 08:44 PST 1995 Fri, 24 Feb 95 08:36:13 -0800 Posted: Fri, 24 Feb 95 16:28:01 -0800 Sender: stoneg@a1wotvax.wotvax.rdgmts.MTS.dec.com From: "Graham Stone" Subject: T shirts.... Msg-Class: ALL-IN-1 IOS Server for VMS V3.0 PBL123A BRITISH 21-MAR-1992 [This message is converted from WPS-PLUS to ASCII] a further 2 cents worth:- I'm all for the idea of a T-shirt but I don't think using one of the album covers is a good idea, a Photograph or collection of photographs would be much more original I think - as I said a few weeks back, I have quite a lot of photo's of the band, which I'd be happy to donate if I can find the time to scan them in. I'd prefer grey shirts, I've had some one-off designs done recently and grey is a good neutral colour that also adds some richness to a design. As far as fading shirts go, don't use bleach then they don't fade ! I have a lot of T-shirts going back more than 15 years, and the black ones are still black - in the UK the best washing powder for this is Dreft, not sure about elsewhere tho'. As far as puuting the Seance address on the shirts, how about putting it on one sleeve as a sort of detail ? that way it's not too conspicuous but would be obvious enough to those who know what an internet address looks like. fianlly, the shirsts I've had done recently have been one-off's done from colour photographs using a colour photcopier and a special re-active paper, the prices are pretty good and work out a lot cheaper than screen printing for smaller runs - just a thought. Graham From kwr08495@cs.acu.edu Thu Dec 1 09:07 PST 1994 From: "Karl W. Reinsch" Subject: Re: Fake - Back Of My Hand EP & Fake CD On Thu, 1 Dec 1994, Eve Emshoff wrote: > > [about Fake] > > I, too, received mine a couple days ago from an Aussie member of the > list (no longer on the list at this time, however), Would someone be kind enough to pick me up the album and CD single? I can reimburse you or, if you prefer, trade you some US-only items. Please e-mail me directly. Thanks, -karl. From kwr08495@cs.acu.edu Mon Jan 16 20:27 PST 1995 From: "Karl W. Reinsch" Subject: Re: lyrics On Fri, 13 Jan 1995 pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu wrote: > > Then just today, (Jason?) added his interpretation of the line from "Kings" > as > in distorted haze the zebras graze > which I had heard as > in distorted haze the zephyrs graze > or > in the storied haze the zephyrs graze > or > in this torrid haze the zephyrs graze > etc. etc. I always enjoy things like Kilbey's "Please don't mention the church" during "Remindlessness". But, I digress, I meant to mention this. "Priest=Aura" features the line "richer=poorer". When I hear that I always remember that Richard had left the band. My mind wants to make the line into "Richard=poorer" or "Richard is now poorer". Anyway, I just felt the need to post tonight. -karl. From kwr08495@cs.acu.edu Mon Jan 23 11:10 PST 1995 From: "Karl W. Reinsch" Subject: Re: GAF On Mon, 23 Jan 1995 BROWNKB@ml.wpafb.af.mil wrote: > > 3. a lot of the song's on the album put out acousticly as B-sides > (interesting). could this have inspired the acoustic tours? "a lot"? The only ones I know of are "Metropolis" and "Grind". Last time I checked, they were the only ones listed in seance's discography. Are there some others that we don't know about? -karl. From kwr08495@cs.acu.edu Wed Feb 1 21:01 PST 1995 From: "Karl W. Reinsch" Sender: "Karl W. Reinsch" Reply-To: "Karl W. Reinsch" Subject: Re: monday night's gig... On Thu, 2 Feb 1995, matthew green wrote: > > steve said "don't try that australia accent on me" so i told > him i was from melbourne, to which he replied "melbourne, > melbourne is my favourite city to play in" .. he also > commented on my priest=aura cap.. Ok, mrg, what Priest=Aura cap? If you've mentioned it before I must have missed it. Lurking, -karl. From kwr08495@cs.acu.edu Tue Feb 7 15:20 PST 1995 From: "Karl W. Reinsch" Subject: Re: subscription On Tue, 7 Feb 1995, MIKAEL STELLLINGER wrote: > > I would like to prescribe to the list > Well, I don't know about you, but my prescription would be to listen to Remindlessness twice and call me in the morning. :-). -karl. From kwr08495@cs.acu.edu Mon Feb 13 23:27 PST 1995 From: "Karl W. Reinsch" Subject: Re: DID ? On Tue, 14 Feb 1995, matthew green wrote: > > [list of DIDs] > the blue aeroplanes beatsongs This isn't very Church-related but what the heck.... Did anyone else on this list get into The Blue Aeroplanes based on seeing them open for the Church like I did? That is the only opening act I have ever seen where I went out and bought the album based on their performance. -karl. From kwr08495@cs.acu.edu Wed Feb 15 20:21 PST 1995 From: "Karl W. Reinsch" Subject: Re: Blue Aeroplanes [no church content] The two personal responses I got about the Blue Aeroplanes had these comments: Kelly Brown said: >I enjoyed the Blue Aeroplanes also, they sure had a great dancer. Eve Emshoff said: >Boy, isn't that dancer wild? The dancer may also be part of people's adverse reactions to the group. When I saw that Church concert it was in Dallas, TX in an odd place called The Bronco Bowl. This place looks to be from sometime in the 1970s. They have batting cages, 20 to 30 bowling lanes, indoor archery, video games, and a 3000-person auditorium. The auditorium itself it decorated in the expected 1970s Bronco theme with horses on the walls. My friends and I were wondering if the Church was REALLY going to play there when we arrived. The Blue Aeroplanes went on and pretty soon that dancer came out and got going. My first thought was "Oh no! That guy lives here and he's going to dance during the Church! Aaaaaaah!" Thankfully, he didn't. Anyway, now a cassette of Swagger has a permanent home in whatever car I own. Also, thanks to those who posted release information. I didn't know about Rough Music, Friendloverplane 2, or some of the early stuff. I do have some interesting singles though: "...And Stones" CD5 with 4 versions "Yr Own World" CD5 with 3 non-album tracks "Boy in the Bubble" CD5 with 2 non-album tracks Anyway, I'll go back to lurking now, -karl. From kwr08495@cs.acu.edu Mon Feb 20 18:19 PST 1995 From: "Karl W. Reinsch" Subject: Re: Steve and Marty, Comedians On Mon, 20 Feb 1995 ThomasIrv@aol.com wrote: > > Omaha, on the Starfish tour, Steve introduced "Unsubstantiated" by saying, > "This is a song we wrote today while ironing our shirts." Everyone, of > course, had on wrinkled shirts. Whoah! I didn't know they ever played "Unsubstantiated" live. This is the song from _Tequila Sunrise_, right? Does anyone have a recording of them playing this live? > I'd love to hear anyone else's remembrances of the band's wit. Well, there's always the standard response to "Happy Hunting Ground" requests: "We left our orchestra back at home." Also, perhaps someone can explain this to me. On the GAF tour, they introduced "Electric Lash" as "The Electric Eyelash" and Steve, Marty, and Peter all looked back at Jay Dee for some reason. Does anyone know what the joke was? -karl. From kwr08495@cs.acu.edu Wed Feb 22 19:54 PST 1995 From: "Karl W. Reinsch" Subject: Re: T-shirts On Wed, 22 Feb 1995, Morten Skjefte wrote: > > I am also opposing the broken angel as the image. It has I also vote "Nay" on the broken angel. Personally, I like the "P=A" cover, but I understand the copyright issue. Perhaps someone can come up with an original artwork that still evokes that ol' Church feeling. That snake illustration from "Reptile" would be cool - the one on some of the GAF tour shirts. > Or someone could do a drawing of them or something. > Maybe even an image based on a lyric snippet, like > "...statues of Sharon Stone" or "...cameras for eyes" > or something like that.... Something that would > draw attention.... I'm not so sure about this idea. > I also envision the shirt to be > black (although god knows I have enough black t-shirts) > with seance@the.... written in blue letters (blue like the > alternate Seance cover) I sort of feel that black is more fitting to the Church, that is if paisley is out...... The seance address is a must. Someone protested it earlier. The whole point of this is to have a shirt for the discussion group. > Writing on the back: > "Wish you knew what you were looking for.... > we would know what you could find...." My personal favorite - "Well, a part of me can never be free, And the part that's free, can never be me..." -karl. From @uga.cc.uga.edu:WOOLF@MUSIC.CC.UGA.EDU Tue Jan 3 14:47 PST 1995 From: "LURIE, ROBERT DEAN" Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE UNSUBSCRIBE From LANDERSO@acs.unt.edu Wed Jan 11 10:12 PST 1995 Wed, 11 Jan 95 11:02:50 GMT+6 From: "Lily J. Anderson" Organization: Academic Computing Services Subject: Re: Traveling Tunes Reply-To: Landerso@acs.unt.edu Priority: normal I agree with most of the choices. Just one question though. Why is Destination only good for travelling to see a person of the opposite sex? We're not all straight here, BI the way ; ) Sorry, I'm not pollitically correcting you, I just couldn't resist. I used Destination (and the whole Starfish album in general) on a lovely roadtrip sevearl years back to see a same sex SO, and had to throw my $.02 in. Beneath a Texas Moon, Lily ............................................................................. ............................................................................. ..........................SARANAM................................ .............................................................................. My Lips may Promise but my Heart is a Whore ............................................................................... ............................................................................... From LANDERSO@acs.unt.edu Fri Jan 20 09:19 PST 1995 Fri, 20 Jan 95 11:19:56 GMT+6 From: "Lily J. Anderson" Organization: Academic Computing Services Subject: RE: First Post Priority: normal Hi Aaron, welcome to the list. Organization: Academic Computing Services Subject: Re: TBT redux Priority: normal On 20 Jan Aaron wrote (regarding TBT) > so I promise to go back and give it another whirl. Good! I've found it works best at high volume laying down on something soft in a poorly lit room. Organization: Academic Computing Services Subject: Re: Here comes another one..... Reply-To: Landerso@acs.unt.edu Priority: normal On 23 Jan, Mike Minahan wrote, >Personally, I think Terra Nova Cain sucks.... Ooooooh me too, me too!!!! I forgot about it (mental block, repression of unpleasantness) You go to UW? I'm moving up there in June and getting the hell out of TX (hooray!) O ________ OO \ \_______ OOOOO))>>===| _ \ Mike Minahan O O OO | I===| |==================================|H=H] OO | I===|_|==================================|H=H] OOOOO))>>===| o o _______/ toad@u.washington.edu O O OO /_______/ O Cool Sig! Beneath a Texas Moon Lily ............................................................................. ............................................................................. ..........................SARANAM................................ .............................................................................. My Lips may Promise but my Heart is a Whore ............................................................................... ............................................................................... From LANDERSO@acs.unt.edu Mon Jan 23 13:07 PST 1995 Mon, 23 Jan 95 15:07:44 GMT+6 From: "Lily J. Anderson" Organization: Academic Computing Services Subject: Re:Here comes another one Priority: normal >Maybe we should really prise the top off >and have a short vote for WORST Church song ???? OK, I'm in for 'Maybe These Boys' 'A Different Man' and 'You're still Beautiful' (I cringe just thinking of this song.) Beneath a Texas Moon Lily ............................................................................. ............................................................................. ..........................SARANAM................................ .............................................................................. My Lips may Promise but my Heart is a Whore ............................................................................... ............................................................................... ............................................................................. ............................................................................. ..........................SARANAM................................ .............................................................................. My Lips may Promise but my Heart is a Whore ............................................................................... ............................................................................... From LANDERSO@acs.unt.edu Tue Jan 24 20:57 PST 1995 Tue, 24 Jan 95 22:57:46 GMT+6 From: "Lily J. Anderson" Organization: Academic Computing Services Subject: Re: Parodies Reply-To: Landerso@acs.unt.edu Priority: normal > I might follow it through (we have parody epidemics >at work sometimes, it's that kind of an office.), but I wondered whether >anyone else has any parody ideas. Let's hear 'em ! >Brian Oh, good idea. I'm really good at this, just give me a day or so of boring geology class and I'll have one for you.. Love Lily (whose parody of REM's Losing My Religion is famous in 3 states) ............................................................................. ............................................................................. ..........................SARANAM................................ .............................................................................. My Lips may Promise but my Heart is a Whore ............................................................................... ............................................................................... From LANDERSO@acs.unt.edu Wed Feb 15 21:12 PST 1995 Wed, 15 Feb 95 23:12:03 GMT+6 From: "Lily Rabbit" Organization: Academic Computing Services Subject: Re: Blue Aeroplanes [no church content] Reply-To: Landerso@acs.unt.edu Priority: normal >The dancer may also be part of people's adverse reactions to the >group. When I saw that Church concert it was in Dallas, TX Hey!!! I was there. I went out and bought the blue aeroplanes album afterwards >in an odd place called The Bronco Bowl. Very, very odd. And very unsafe. A friend of mine literally almost had her hand torn off of her arm at the Alarm in 1986 at that joint It was a big bloody mess. Anyhow, that's all Beneath a Texas Moon Lily. ............................................................................. ............................................................................. ..........................SARANAM................................ .............................................................................. My Lips may Promise but my Heart is a Whore ............................................................................... ............................................................................... From @uga.cc.uga.edu:JMETZKER@MUSIC.CC.UGA.EDU Fri Jan 27 16:03 PST 1995 From: "METZKER, JOSEPH ADAM" Subject: unsubscribe no witty comments From @nomina.lu.se:L94MS71@lthvov.vsek.lth.se Tue Feb 7 05:24 PST 1995 From: "MIKAEL STELLLINGER" Organization: Department of Civil Engineerin,LTH Subject: subscription X-Confirm-Reading-To: "MIKAEL STELLLINGER" X-Pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal I would like to prescribe to the list From @nomina.lu.se:L94MS71@lthvov.vsek.lth.se Wed Feb 8 01:49 PST 1995 From: "MIKAEL STELLLINGER" Organization: Department of Civil Engineerin,LTH Subject: New problem X-Confirm-Reading-To: "MIKAEL STELLLINGER" X-Pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal This one's for Karl W.Reinsch. Thank you for your remark. I followed your prescription and here's my equally witty answer... I was tantalized Bye y'all/ Mikael From @nomina.lu.se:L94MS71@lthvov.vsek.lth.se Mon Feb 20 05:58 PST 1995 From: "MIKAEL STELLLINGER" Organization: Department of Civil Engineerin,LTH Subject: Me, myself and I Priority: normal About me I joined this newsgroup a couple of weeks ago and I've really enjoyed reading all the stuff you Churchaddictives write. However I was told that I was supposed to make a short presentation of myself; and here it is. My name is Mikael Stellinger and I've been listening to The Church since the release of Heyday. I wascompletely paralysed. After listening almost without interruption to Heyday for a week I went out and searched all the recordstores I could find for older church records. I loved the roughness of the earlier records aswell as the wellproduced newer ones. I'm sorry to say this, but I really don't like the latest record as much as the older ones, but hopefully it's just that I havent listened enough to it. Finally there's this big problem I need help with: There is a big hole in my collection of churchrecords, the EP singsongs. Where can I find it? I love the guitar tabs, keep sending them. Great list, Bye you all! From M.S.Reed@newcastle.ac.uk Fri Feb 24 04:48 PST 1995 (8.6.9/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 12:47:07 GMT Fri, 24 Feb 95 12:47:07 GMT0BST From: "Martin Reed" Subject: Lyrics anyone? Priority: normal The internet won't give me access to The Church's lyrics. Is there anyone who can help me and send them to me or something. Thank you very much for your help. Martin Reed From n9282183@beaker.cc.wwu.edu Thu Jan 12 16:23 PST 1995 From: "Nicole B. Hall" Subject: Re: Two pennies worth...shoved in !! On Thu, 12 Jan 1995 NJANDREW@genvax.glamorgan.ac.uk wrote: > and I feel The Music Biz is another preferred target, not every song seems Yeah, I always thought of Fog (off of the Ripple CD) as a song about the record biz/fandom and people who try to dig into artists' personal lives... I heard that song for the first time shortly after reading an article where SK was saying that he much prefers music when he doesn't know anything about the singer or how the songs came to be...and that he didn't want to be making alot of info public (ie. lyrics on the liner notes, etc). From n9282183@beaker.cc.wwu.edu Wed Feb 1 01:13 PST 1995 From: "Nicole B. Hall" Subject: HELP ME. sorry, no church content whatsoever Hi..I'm doing research about info sources on the Internet and need victims, er, participants. I need as many people as possible, so if anyone would be willing to read a small news article then answer some questions I would greatly appreciate it. If you want to do this, please email ME (careful! not the whole list! I dont' want everyone mad at me) and tell me 1. if you read Usenet groups 2. if you belong to any internet BBSes (especially DOC or Citadel ones), and I'll send you the "survey" sometime this week or next week. Thanks... Shameless music plug: I got the Sordid Humor CD, called Light Music For Dying People. It's bizarre and sort of silly in places, but I really like it. Sorry to blatantly abuse the list for my own purposes, but I'm desperate. :) nicole aka anna miranda | Nicole Hall | I'll try to write you a | | Western Washington University | letter from the cyclone's eye | | n9282183@henson.cc.wwu.edu | -The Church | From n9282183@fozzie.cc.wwu.edu Wed Jan 11 09:52 PST 1995 From: "Nicole B. Hall" Subject: Re: Traveling Tunes On Wed, 11 Jan 1995 Beebster@aol.com wrote: > I agree....I've always considered Starfish to be the ultimate road trip > album, because so many of the songs have a travel them to them: Destination, > NSE&W, Hotel Womb..... heck, even Lost. ; ) Didn't SK say in some interview that all (or most) of the albums have some theme that the songs tend to fit? For Starfish it was travel, I remember that one. What were some of the other ones? I'm usually not so good at getting meaning out of whole songs or albums, I usually find things relevant to my life in simple phrases or lines and leave it at that. And not that any interpretations would be WRONG, of course. ;) nicole | Nicole Hall | I'll try to write you a | | Western Washington University | letter from the cyclone's eye | | n9282183@henson.cc.wwu.edu | -The Church | 1.) When it was 2.) Who it was that did a song with Marty (Julian Cope?) 3.) Does ANYONE have a copy they'd be willig to copy for me or sell to me or anything PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE. :) Nicole | Nicole Hall | I'll try to write you a | | Western Washington University | letter from the cyclone's eye | | n9282183@henson.cc.wwu.edu | -The Church | From n9282183@janice.cc.wwu.edu Wed Jan 11 21:30 PST 1995 From: "Nicole B. Hall" Subject: Re: Traveling Tunes On Wed, 11 Jan 1995, Peter James Rasmussen wrote: > > On Wed, 11 Jan 1995, Nicole B. Hall wrote: > > I'm usually not so good at > > getting meaning out of whole songs or albums, I usually find things > > relevant to my life in simple phrases or lines and leave it at that. And > > not that any interpretations would be WRONG, of course. ;) > To me this is a curious statement. Can interpretations be wrong? I'm > not sure either way. Does anyone have any thoughts on an authors intent > (be it lyrical, musical, visual, whatever). All I was thinking of when I wrote that statement was the fact that SK has said in many interviews that he just writes whatever comes into his head, often in a matter of a couple of minutes, and then people get their own meaning out of it. He's seems pretty relativistic to me ;) and since its his music I'm talking about I thought it would be ok to say that. Maybe not the BEST wording, but oh well. I guess there is SOME inherent meaning (especially in some songs) if he's saying that the albums have 'themes.' Like I said, I am not good at getting the 'big picture.' Although sometimes I'll be sitting there singing along to one of my favorite songs, just listening to how the words sound with the music, then WHAM! it makes sense to me, usually because of some recent event in my life. What I had always thought of as just a pretty little metaphor or whatever suddenly gains meaning for me. And I seriously doubt that the feelings I have are the ones that made SK write those words in the first place. *shrug* I was just remembering what SK himself has said many times. I didn't mean to offend anyone by it. *grin* I DID put a smiley at the end of that statement. :) nicole From n9282183@janice.cc.wwu.edu Fri Jan 13 18:12 PST 1995 From: "Nicole B. Hall" Subject: sorry no church content Speaking of just listening to how the lyrics SOUND as opposed to the meaning, has anybody heard That Petrol Emotion? I LOVE the way the singer's voice sounds with the music. I think Columbia House described them as having 'swirling lyrics.' That didn't make much sense to me until I heard them. Actually some of the lyrics are pretty bad IMHO, but they SOUND awesome. nicole | Nicole Hall | I'll try to write you a | | Western Washington University | letter from the cyclone's eye | | n9282183@henson.cc.wwu.edu | -The Church | From n9282183@janice.cc.wwu.edu Fri Jan 20 15:21 PST 1995 From: "Nicole B. Hall" Subject: Re: TBT redux On Fri, 20 Jan 1995, Huskers wrote: > One thing I noticed, however, is that not one of you defended Gold > Afternoon Fix. Was it lost in the rush to defend TBT, or do most > folks agree with me? While there were some excellent cuts on that > disc, I was terribly disappointed on the whole. I like GAF the least as well. I don't care for Metropolis, it was too bland IMO, sort of like Business Woman. I really like Grind and Terra Nova Cain though. I enjoy the "space age" feel of the songs, but the album as a whole isn't one of my favorites. I like Travel by Thought though. ;) (If they decide on a whim to come up to Washingon and play in that laundromat again, and its before February 25th, I'm going to give up on life. I already missed them last time because I wasn't 21 yet. GRRRRR. Only one more month and then NOTHING will me able to stop me muwahahaha) Nicole | Nicole Hall | I'll try to write you a | | Western Washington University | letter from the cyclone's eye | | n9282183@henson.cc.wwu.edu | -The Church | From n9282183@janice.cc.wwu.edu Mon Jan 23 09:41 PST 1995 From: "Nicole B. Hall" Subject: Re: Here comes another one..... Someone said: > Id defend GAF too, Im surprised that noone has mentioned 'Essence' off there yet....Its an absolute gem. > Wow!! How could I have forgotten?? Essence is one of my top 5 favorite songs, probably right under Myrrh and Almost With You. I don't especially care for Russian Autumn Heart (ouch!) or Metropolis or Field of Mars. *shrug* Nicole | Nicole Hall | I'll try to write you a | | Western Washington University | letter from the cyclone's eye | | n9282183@henson.cc.wwu.edu | -The Church | From n9282183@janice.cc.wwu.edu Mon Jan 23 18:08 PST 1995 From: "Nicole B. Hall" Subject: hate ---> love I'll tell ya, there is ONE song that I HATED when I first heard it, couldn't even bear to listen to it. That was Trance Ending. Then, one day I had my headphones on, turned up really loud and... WOW. I don't know, but lets just say I really like that song now. Strange. nicole | Nicole Hall | I'll try to write you a | | Western Washington University | letter from the cyclone's eye | | n9282183@henson.cc.wwu.edu | -The Church | From n9282183@janice.cc.wwu.edu Tue Jan 24 15:05 PST 1995 From: "Nicole B. Hall" Subject: Re: worst Paul said: [stuff] > rap days by releasing a song with an expletive in it. I still think Grind > would have done much better as a follow-up to Metropolis (although it may > have to have been edited for general radio/MTV consumption). Why? Is there something about Grind that would need to be censored? (Well, for radio/tv *heh*) *ponders* nicole | Nicole Hall | I'll try to write you a | | Western Washington University | letter from the cyclone's eye | | n9282183@henson.cc.wwu.edu | -The Church | From n9282183@janice.cc.wwu.edu Tue Jan 24 15:13 PST 1995 From: "Nicole B. Hall" Subject: worst of the best Welp, I already sent these to Michael but I thought I would hop on the bandwagon and post them to the whole list so I can get disagreed with as well. Besides, I revised my answer from the last time I posted my list...I just couldn't bring myself to include anything previous to GAF. ;) 1. Business Woman - Ick! BOOOORING, not to mention it just doesn't FEEL like a Church song. I'm glad they didn't want it on the album. 2. Paradox- Too sickeningly sweet for me. 3. Metropolis - Don't really know what I don't like about this, but it gets on my nerves. Altho I like it slightly better now than I did a year ago. nicole (listenin' to Jack Frost) | Nicole Hall | I'll try to write you a | | Western Washington University | letter from the cyclone's eye | | n9282183@henson.cc.wwu.edu | -The Church | From n9282183@janice.cc.wwu.edu Wed Jan 25 17:16 PST 1995 From: "Nicole B. Hall" Subject: Re: Songs filed in a dark cupboard On Thu, 26 Jan 1995, James Dignan wrote: > 3. (after some deliberation) Dream... the sum is so much less than the > parts. Great lyrics, good instruments, but it always sounds as though the > singer was in a different key to the instruments. Redo it with a new melody > line, guys! I know this is unbecoming of a Church fanatic like myself, but WHAT is this song? I'm having the hardest time placing it! It must be so obvious, but I just can't remember.... (blasphemy! i know) nicole | Nicole Hall | I'll try to write you a | | Western Washington University | letter from the cyclone's eye | | n9282183@henson.cc.wwu.edu | -The Church | From n9282183@janice.cc.wwu.edu Wed Jan 25 17:21 PST 1995 From: "Nicole B. Hall" Subject: Re: missing cd tracks > temples.' could someone please describe these two tracks. i have always > been very curious about them, but i have never seen the album on cassette > or vinyl. are they highly experimental pieces? the title 'random pan' has > always suggested to me something along the lines of 'some lysergic africa'. I have this on CD also, so my friend sent me the songs on tape. They are pretty good, I like Random Pan MUCH better. My friend described it as SK's most OPTIMISTIC song, which I guess is a good way to describe it... its not like Some Lysergic Africa. I would say the first stanza but I can't remember how it starts...but I remember the lines "he has access to the saddness of the trees" and "he'll be fed royal honey from the bees." Pain in my Temples is a much harsher sounding song. From n9282183@janice.cc.wwu.edu Tue Jan 31 19:51 PST 1995 From: "Nicole B. Hall" Subject: trivia > Trivia: > There is a line from a song off 'Of Skins and Heart' repeated in a song off > 'Seance'. Name the line and the songs. Ah that's easy. The line is "A palm tree nodded at me last night, he said, "Hey you look so pale." (or something like that) from Bel-Air shows up on One Day. Do I get the prize? ;) nicole | Nicole Hall | I'll try to write you a | | Western Washington University | letter from the cyclone's eye | | n9282183@henson.cc.wwu.edu | -The Church | From n9282183@janice.cc.wwu.edu Thu Feb 9 17:28 PST 1995 From: "Nicole B. Hall" Subject: WWW Can someone post where the Church web page is? There is one isn't there? I vaguely remember someone talking about that last year. Nicole (aka Anna Miranda) | Nicole Hall | I'll try to write you a | | Western Washington University | letter from the cyclone's eye | | n9282183@henson.cc.wwu.edu | -The Church | From n9282183@janice.cc.wwu.edu Fri Feb 10 15:13 PST 1995 From: "Nicole B. Hall" Subject: DID Well, I'll limit myself to one album per artist also, EXCEPT for the Church. No way in hell I could do that. Ya know, someone should have set a In no particular order (tho the first three lines are non-negotiable): The Church Hindsight/AQSAS/The Blurred Crusade/Heyday Steve Kilbey Remindlessness REM Fables of the Reconstruction Tears For Fears Seeds of Love That Petrol Emotion Chemicrazy (adrenalized depression!) The Wonder Stuff Never Loved Elvis Sugar Beaster Talking Heads Sand in the Vasaline Jay Scott Berry Concept for a Dream Pearl Jam ten Hex Vast Halos dada Puzzle U2 The Joshua Tree Peter Gabriel Shaking The Tree Sting The Soul Cages Um, I know I'm missing a few. Or more than a few. But if I don't stop now I never will. Nicole (aka Anna Miranda) | Nicole Hall | I'll try to write you a | | Western Washington University | letter from the cyclone's eye | | n9282183@henson.cc.wwu.edu | -The Church | From n9282183@janice.cc.wwu.edu Fri Feb 10 15:20 PST 1995 From: "Nicole B. Hall" Subject: Re: favorite Church lines/couplets > > Hmmn. Now there's a possible thread (oh god no... more mail!). What are all > > of you lot's favourite lines/couplets by the Church??? > > Yeah, okay, I'll bite. COOL. Me too Me too! "There's something that's stronger than strength" -Essence "I go back to my blindness so that I may see again" -One Day "She asks the spirits for a romance She gets a ghost for a paramour" -Day of the Dead Nicole (aka Anna Miranda) | Nicole Hall | I'll try to write you a | | Western Washington University | letter from the cyclone's eye | | n9282183@henson.cc.wwu.edu | -The Church | From n9282183@janice.cc.wwu.edu Tue Feb 21 22:04 PST 1995 From: "Nicole B. Hall" Subject: Re: Grand Plan A: t-shirts (and other stuff) > For those new to the list, we had an idea to do Church T-shirts, with the > address of the mailing list. We need designs, but I don't know how to get > around the problems of "Group Consensus," a way everyone can submit > and/or see the designs, and then vote on it. Probably the only thing that would give the most people access would be to have a link to possible shirt designs on the Church homepage, and maybe on some ftp site also if that is possible. And couplets could go in either place too, to be voted on. ;) (oh what fun that would be) I like the collage idea. Just something I've been wondering about for years....on my copy of The Blurred Crusade, on the song A Fire Burns, right at the line "down the sticky stems I go" the stereo sound goes out and it only comes out of one speaker. Is this just on my copy? I did buy it new, but it was just a tape (hey, I was a poor unemployed ninth grader who bought Church tapes with a $20/month "transportation and school necessities stipend" from the college prep program I was in ;). Lastly, eres there ever definative lyrics deciphered for Two Places At Once? If so, could someone send it to me? I have a friend who wants those lyrics. Thanks. Nicole (aka Anna Miranda) | Nicole Hall | I'll try to write you a | | Western Washington University | letter from the cyclone's eye | | n9282183@henson.cc.wwu.edu | -The Church | From n9282183@janice.cc.wwu.edu Wed Feb 22 17:09 PST 1995 From: "Nicole B. Hall" Subject: Re: P=A T-shirt Hey, I like the idea of the P=A cover too, but then I'd have TWO shirts with the P=A picture on the front *pout* because I have the tourshirt from that concert (a penpal sent it to me). But that's ok *grin* Hey, as for drawing something, just an anecdote. My ex-bf once drew the Starfish album cover on my ankle with his fountain pen. He is an awesome artist, and it was as an exact replica as it could be in that small of space. I was sad to wash it off. People thought I had gotten a tatoo. ;) I took a picture of it but it was blurry. Nicole (aka Anna Miranda) | Nicole Hall | I'll try to write you a | | Western Washington University | letter from the cyclone's eye | | n9282183@henson.cc.wwu.edu | -The Church | From n9282183@janice.cc.wwu.edu Thu Feb 23 10:46 PST 1995 From: "Nicole B. Hall" Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Subject: Re: The Church word of the day On Thu, 23 Feb 1995, William Smith wrote: > Mandrake: > a Eurasian plant with purplish flowers and a forked > root. It was formerly thought to have magical > powers and a narcotic was prepared from its root. > > The form mandrake was probably adopted through > folk etymology, because of the allegedly human > appearance of the root and because drake ( dragon ) > suggested magical powers. > > That's what the dictionary has to say about it. Two people have also told me that supposedly (myth? legend?) when you pull a mandrake plant out of the ground, it screams. Hmmmm Nicole (aka Anna Miranda) | Nicole Hall | I'll try to write you a | | Western Washington University | letter from the cyclone's eye | | n9282183@henson.cc.wwu.edu | -The Church | From n9282183@janice.cc.wwu.edu Thu Feb 23 23:20 PST 1995 From: "Nicole B. Hall" Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Subject: Re: T-Shirts thoughts On Thu, 23 Feb 1995, jeff ylvisaker wrote: > How about " FOR ALL TIME " written on the shirt somewhere?? That sounds neat, hehe. Sometimes I think I just go along with everything. Altho I don't especially like the P=A cover idea, for some reason. Ya know, we can make shirts that say "Altho the singer is long dead, his voice goes on and on, on and on" so that our children and grandchildren can inherit them. [no, this is not a serious vote of potential shirt lyric ;)] And no one answered my question about the "down the sticky stems I go" line. Come on, I know 95% of you out there have that song on tape or CD. The stereo only fades for that one line, not the rest of the tape. ;) Nicole (aka Anna Miranda) | Nicole Hall | I'll try to write you a | | Western Washington University | letter from the cyclone's eye | | n9282183@henson.cc.wwu.edu | -The Church | From n9282183@janice.cc.wwu.edu Sat Feb 25 10:28 PST 1995 From: "Nicole B. Hall" Cc: Churchlist Subject: Re: T-shirts update (IMPORTANT for those interested, but LONGISH) I know I would be interested in one or two shirts. Color doesn't matter to me. Just add my tally on Nicole (aka Anna Miranda) | Nicole Hall | I'll try to write you a | | Western Washington University | letter from the cyclone's eye | | n9282183@henson.cc.wwu.edu | -The Church | From n9282183@janice.cc.wwu.edu Mon Feb 27 17:14 PST 1995 From: "Nicole B. Hall" Subject: Re: Random P...oem On Mon, 27 Feb 1995, James Dignan wrote: > "A Month of Autumn Travel by Unguarded Fields of Lash" > **************************************************** [funny poem comprised of lots o' lyrics cut to conserve bandwidth] *giggle* this reminded me of that part on the Goldfish video where Steve says something like "Hello we're making our new video. Its call Gold Afternoon Starfish Remote Heyday Blurred of Skins and Seances" Nicole (aka Anna Miranda) | Nicole Hall | I'll try to write you a | | Western Washington University | letter from the cyclone's eye | | n9282183@henson.cc.wwu.edu | -The Church | From n9282183@janice.cc.wwu.edu Tue Feb 28 22:05 PST 1995 From: "Nicole B. Hall" Subject: lyrics for the shirt Well, I'm sitting here listening to Hindsight, trying to decide on some possible lyrics. Here are some that I think would be kinda cool: "people say to see is to believe but then they just believe in that they can perceive what they see is not the total view filtered between the me and you" (tear it all away) [i feel that it kind of fits the otherworldly, read between the lines music, and also the fact that there are hundreds of us communicating and we know that we are real people even though all we see are little letters on a screen...hmmm] "software sings and hardware hears" [obvious!] "it hurts to think that in a hundred years we'll all just be microfische; our names and the names of our songs catalogued and filed away" (fog) [ok ok, maybe too depressing and unfitting for a t-shirt. probably too obscure anyway. but i like it! and its technological] "Here the difference between close and near" (shadow cabinet) [kinda like the "close to you" lyric that everyone likes. People on the internet can be close, without being near. in fact, i kinda like this one better than "close to you"] "we're interrupted by the telephone You didn't think they were invented then" (myrrh) [its the whole internet thing and how it makes our lives wonderful but many people don't even have a clue it exists and what it could do for them] "back from software limbo the natives call today" [obvious] Nicole (aka Anna Miranda) | Nicole Hall | I'll try to write you a | | Western Washington University | letter from the cyclone's eye | | n9282183@henson.cc.wwu.edu | -The Church | From n9282183@janice.cc.wwu.edu Thu Mar 2 09:29 PST 1995 From: "Nicole B. Hall" Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Subject: Re: vocalist? On Thu, 2 Mar 1995, James Dignan wrote: > I've just been listening to a tape someon made for me ages ago of > Remindlessness (and reacquainting myself with the killer track Liquid)... > Can anyone tell me who the vocalist is on "Some Lysergic Africa" oh yes, Liquid is my favorite track on there. Now, as for SLA, *checks CD liner notes* the vocalist is Isadora Telambi. I always wondered if that was who Steve was "speaking" to on Vanishing Act when he says "Hey, Isadora, get undressed.." Nicole (aka Anna Miranda) | Nicole Hall | I'll try to write you a | | Western Washington University | letter from the cyclone's eye | | n9282183@henson.cc.wwu.edu | -The Church | From n9282183@janice.cc.wwu.edu Fri Mar 3 11:38 PST 1995 From: "Nicole B. Hall" Subject: Re: One Day On Thu, 2 Mar 1995, Ai Endo wrote: > while i'm at it, i'll mention something that makes me smile. at the end > of one day, when steve runs out of lyrics to sing, and goes 'na na na na > na na na na na...' then dips back into an old song, 'thought you nodded > at me last night, he said, hey you look so pale....' then he really can't > think of anything and just yelps, 'A-ah-hoo!' smile. heh. -henny Not to be anal, but I believe the lyric goes "a palm tree nodded at me last night..." *smile* At least it does if he's using the lyric from Bel Air! Um....yeah I think we talked about that bit before; one of my friends said that the two songs are very similar in one aspect of the music (the tempo or soemthing. I'm not a musician), but One Day is just sped up. I like that part too. :) And while I'm at it, I'll throw out my idea again for an alternate to "close to you, hear all you say". The other one that I think fits well with that theme is "Here, the difference between close and near" from Shadow Cabinet because people on the Internet can be close (and it doesn't even have to mean a mushy-lovey close) without being near. Nicole (aka Anna Miranda) | Nicole Hall | I'll try to write you a | | Western Washington University | letter from the cyclone's eye | | n9282183@henson.cc.wwu.edu | -The Church | From n9282183@janice.cc.wwu.edu Fri Mar 3 20:18 PST 1995 From: "Nicole B. Hall" Subject: Re: Church interview LP at time of 1st solo releases > On Fri, 3 Mar 1995, KeN SaBaTiNi wrote: > > > Has anyone here listened to that Church interview album--the one with a > > newspaper-like sleeve with the headline being something like "Church solo > > albums found." It was a promo only, so it is kind of rare. I was debating > > putting down the cashola for it and was wondering if anyone who has it or has > > heard it can give me any comments. It is basically a recording of brief > > interviews with Steve, Marty, and Peter at the time of their first solo > > releases. Thanks for the help. Hmmmmm *thinking* I know I have one or two interview cassettes that people have given me copies of.... is that one Sum of the Parts, or another one? It's all a bit hazy, but I remember one where they all talked about teh solo work, and Steve was talking about Earthed and talking about his past life in Carthage or some such...if that's the same one, it's worth it IMO. Nicole (aka Anna Miranda) | Nicole Hall | I'll try to write you a | | Western Washington University | letter from the cyclone's eye | | n9282183@henson.cc.wwu.edu | -The Church | From powell@Kodak.COM Tue Nov 29 07:30 PST 1994 From: "Richard W. Powell x71123/ESD/8-23-KP" Reply-To: "Richard W. Powell x71123/ESD/8-23-KP" Subject: Reckless Kelly - Soundtrack Hello All - I've attached some more discog info regarding the Reckless Kelly soundtrack (time & CD number). Has anyone got this on the "Mushroom" label? The one I found is on the "Picture This" label. I can't tell what country it's from. I bought it through CDEUROPE. The CD itself does not have a label printed on it, but everything else is intact. - Dick [update to "Steve Kilbey" section] 1993 Reckless Kelly 4:27 As You Like It Note: Movie soundtrack has above song written and performed by Steve Kilbey. Mushroom Records (Australia) CD Picture This TVD93375 From powell@Kodak.COM Tue Nov 29 07:49 PST 1994 From: "Richard W. Powell x71123/ESD/8-23-KP" Reply-To: "Richard W. Powell x71123/ESD/8-23-KP" Subject: Mae Moore - Bohemia EP Hello again! More discog stuff: I just bought this promo the other day. The store still had another copy of this and another Moore promo CD, sealed (I think it was "The Wish", w/edit & LP versions). Please let me know if anyone wants me to pick these up for them. - Dick [add to: "Steve Kilbey (Mae Moore)" section] 1993 Bohemia 3:43 Bohemia (radio edit) 4:23 Bohemia (album version) 4:13 Bohemia (purple groove mix) 8:35 Bohemia (extended mix) 6:09 Bohemia (live acoustic version, recorded Nov 7, 1993) CD TriStar Music WSK 5577 (USA, Promo) From powell@Kodak.COM Fri Jan 13 10:46 PST 1995 From: "Richard W. Powell x71123/ESD/8-23-KP" Reply-To: "Richard W. Powell x71123/ESD/8-23-KP" Subject: Re: Traveling Tunes Lily wrote: > Why is Destination only good for travelling to see a person of the > opposite sex? We're not all straight here, BI the way ; ) There you go, thinking "dirty" again! I don't recall the writer mentioning anything about *having* sex. (hehe) -have a good one, Dick From powell@Kodak.COM Fri Jan 13 10:49 PST 1995 From: "Richard W. Powell x71123/ESD/8-23-KP" Reply-To: "Richard W. Powell x71123/ESD/8-23-KP" Subject: Re: Traveling Tunes [regarding: lyrical intent, simple phrases, and music] nicole wrote: > Like I said, I am not good at getting the 'big picture.' Although > sometimes I'll be sitting there singing along to one of my favorite > songs, just listening to how the words sound with the music, then WHAM! You're not alone that way. With music, I think I hear the "sounds" first. That's what hooks me or loses me. After repeated listenings, I might get the subject - or more likely: attach some personal meaning to the lyrics. One of my favorite songs, period, is the Church's "Nightmare" (on one of the EPs). The music is great, hooks me right away, I understand the lyrics, maybe even feel that way sometimes, and I can hum it! I can't remember the bands name, but I like the "sound" of the phrase "Why don't you kill me" in their song called: Loser. I have no idea what the songs about, but I like how it sounds. ...and no, I don't want anyone to kill me! Rarely will the lyrics strike me as the most dominant "sound", thus hook me with the message rather than the tune. An exception is King Missile's "Jesus Was Cool". I can't even hum it, but I love it. What does all this have to do with the Church? I don't know. It's Friday.... see ya, Dick From powell@Kodak.COM Fri Jan 13 10:50 PST 1995 From: "Richard W. Powell x71123/ESD/8-23-KP" Reply-To: "Richard W. Powell x71123/ESD/8-23-KP" Subject: Re: Mae Moore Rhonda wrote: > I picked up G. McClennan's (sp?) Fireboy and noticed in the > liner notes that both Mae Moore and Karin provide backing vocals. What do you think of it? Is it similar to the Jack Frost release? -Dick From powell@Kodak.COM Fri Jan 13 10:54 PST 1995 From: "Richard W. Powell x71123/ESD/8-23-KP" Reply-To: "Richard W. Powell x71123/ESD/8-23-KP" Subject: Re: Westwood One show Rich wrote: > Now, can someone please remember to post about this next week so we > don't forget! I always forget about these things and fail to tape them :( ME TOO! God, I'd forget my head if I could. I still kick myself for missing a local Church radio special (w/interviews) last year. -Dick From powell@Kodak.COM Wed Jan 25 05:23 PST 1995 From: "Richard W. Powell x71123/ESD/8-23-KP" Reply-To: "Richard W. Powell x71123/ESD/8-23-KP" Subject: re: worst song Peter wrote: > > I will refrain from annoucing two of my least favorites because I fear I > > would be killed. Mike wrote: > Ah, come on...we`ll understand. We're a nice group...really. ...And if he says anything...... KILL HIM! [G] From powell@Kodak.COM Fri Jan 27 05:38 PST 1995 From: "Richard W. Powell x71123/ESD/8-23-KP" Reply-To: "Richard W. Powell x71123/ESD/8-23-KP" Subject: Re: missing cd tracks Jeff wrote: > is the 'transaction' ep still in print? i have never seen it. The actual title of it is "No Such Thing EP", but most places advertise it as "Transaction", since that's the lead song and the title is not evident on the cover. CDEurope stills lists it for $11.95 (US). [From the discog] 1990 No Such Thing EP 4:24 Transaction 2:45 Random Pan 2:43 Pain In My Temples 3:56 No Such Thing From powell@esd.kodak.com Mon Feb 13 06:58 PST 1995 From: "Richard W. Powell x71123/ESD/8-23-KP" Reply-To: "Richard W. Powell x71123/ESD/8-23-KP" Subject: DID I made this list *real* quick... ten minutes from now it would be different! Bob Dylan - Bringing It All Back Home Byrds - Notorious Byrd Brothers, Box Set Church - Priest = Aura Cure - The Wish Doors - Morrison Hotel Echo & The Bunnymen - Crocodiles, Songs To Sing And Learn, Echo & The Bunnymen Fleetwood Mac - Tango In The Night Joe Jackson - Blaze Of Glory Justin Hayward/Lodge - Bluejays Led Zeppelin - III Lindsy Buckingham - Out Of The Cradle Moody Blues - On The Threshold Of A Dream Neil Young - Zuma, Decade Pete Townshend - Who Came First Pink Floyd - Obscured By Clouds Plimsouls - Everywhere At Once REM - Document Roxy Music - Avalon Simple Minds - Sparkle In The Rain Steely Day - Katie Lied Steve Kilbey - The Slow Crack Todd Rundgren - Something Anything Tom Petty - You're Gonna Get It U2 - War Who - Live At Leads -later, Dick From powell@Kodak.COM Tue Nov 29 08:47 PST 1994 From: "Richard W. Powell x71123/ESD/8-23-KP" Reply-To: "Richard W. Powell x71123/ESD/8-23-KP" Subject: Fake - Back Of My Hand EP & Fake CD Hi fellow Churchites - The Fake stuff just arrived at my door step (via Vicious Sloth). Anthony's description of the music was dead-on. The EP and the double CD ended up costing about $38 (US) w/shipping and all. My take on these releases is that most of the best songs (3) are on the EP. The hidden track (EP only) features mumbling rather than singing. The Fake album (proper) is interesting and I'm starting to like some of it. I would never guess Kilbey was involved, other than recognizing his muffled voice on that one track. The bonus "Fake Symphony" is all instrumental (or should I say studio sounds?). An occasional drum beat here & there, and not something I would normally seek out. If this is a continuation of a new direction started with the last Church release, he may be losing me. But, I expect that this is just a side road for him. I wonder if anyone has had any luck deciphering the lyrics to "Blank Spaces"? (I've called it that, since those are the only words I can understand!) - have fun, Dick [add to: "Steve Kilbey (Fake)" section] Steve Kilbey (Fake) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 1994 Back Of My Hand Steve Kilbey (Instruments, Sounds, *Vocals) Mylene Farmer (Vocals) Boris Goudenov (Trumpet) "Lady Bump" Stewart (Image) 3:28 Back Of My Hand (edit) 3:31 Nympho 4:05 I Cannot Feel You 11:11 Untitled One 2:00 "Blank Spaces" (hidden track) CD5 Mushroom D11863 (Australia) Farmer & Goudenov are rumored to be members of Fake. Kilbey's distorted vocals are featured on an untitled hidden track appearing approximately 2:00 minutes after the completion of track 4. 1994 Fake :30 Fanfare 5:23 Everything Is Fake 3:55 Back Of My Mind 4:21 I Cannot Feel You 2:17 Air 4:27 F Outa Fake 1:52 Never Gone Away 4:12 Bring Me Down 3:34 Nympho 4:14 Bride Of Jesus 4:05 Desert Song 4:39 You Gotta Get It Some How 2:34 Fakin' It 6:54 I'm Sorry Mrs Hunt There's Been An Accident At The Plant 6:28 Thank You :38 Farewell Fake Symphony (Limited Edition Bonus CD) 11:15 Untitled 1 :17 Untitled 2 8:14 Untitled 3 1:08 Untitled 4 7:05 Untitled 5 2:08 Untitled 6 6:33 Untitled 7 2:05 Untitled 8 4:41 Untitled 9 2:41 Untitled 10 3:48 Untitled 11 2:58 Untitled 12 3:26 Untitled 14 3:42 Untitled 15 CD Mushroom D31256 (Australia) From powell@Kodak.COM Wed Jan 25 02:24 PST 1995 From: "Richard W. Powell x71123/ESD/8-23-KP" Reply-To: "Richard W. Powell x71123/ESD/8-23-KP" Subject: Re: worst church productions > First off, anyone who says that ANY song off of P=A is bad > (except ripple) is sentenced to 10 hours in a room, chained down, > listening to nothing but the new Shampoo EP. Hmmm. Ripple, one of my personal all-time favorite tracks, by anyone, on any album,... ever. What's this "Shampoo EP" thingy? Is it comparable? Maybe I should check it out. [g] -Dick From BSmith@VCOMTELC.TELECOM.com.au Tue Nov 29 23:56 PST 1994 From: "Smith, Brian" Subject: Starfish used in "21 Jump Street" This popped back into my head the other day. One of the episodes of 21 Jump St. used Reptile & Under The Milky Way as background music. They were lengthy excerpts, clearly audible, not spoken over either; a good ad. for the lads ! Anyone remember this ? Brian From BSmith@VCOMTELC.TELECOM.com.au Wed Nov 30 18:10 PST 1994 From: "Smith, Brian" Subject: Fake review Hmmmmm...... A bit more dancy/boppy than I thought it might be. I can't see much Kilbey in it. It's pretty good for techno music though and I quite like the slower songs. Some remind me of "The Torch Song" on Margot Smith's "Sleeping With The Lion" album. The ambient CD is a lot more ambient than I like though, far too airy-fairy. If anyone wants to give ambient music a try I recommend "A Brief History of Ambient" It's a double CD and there's two volumes available, making a total of 4 discs. I didn't like it at first, but the music grows on you. I find it a perfect background for reading. As to the identity of the female singer, I don't think it's Karin Jansen. Her voice never sounded strong, whereas this voice can show that rock-raspiness when she wants it to. Overall I'm glad I got the album though. It feels like a grower. Brian From BSmith@VCOMTELC.TELECOM.com.au Wed Nov 30 23:52 PST 1994 From: "Smith, Brian" Subject: Singer on Fake ....although it sounds like Karin Jansson on "Desert Song". Her voice there reminds me of the voice on "Some Lysergic Africa" off Remindlessness. Anyone have any idea to what extent this is a Skilbey album ? Writing/mixing/backing vocals/programming/playing ? I know he produced it, but did he do anything else ? Or if not, were the other roles filled by people that he's worked with before ? I think Boris Gudenov played trumpet, but maybe people such as Pryce Surplice "et al" got involved too. If so, that'd make this album almost a Kilbey solo record, (except he didn't sing), wouldn't it ! Brian From BSmith@VCOMTELC.TELECOM.com.au Sun Jan 15 23:02 PST 1995 From: "Smith, Brian" Subject: The Lads On Sale *Sob !* Just saw Priest=Aura for $12.95 (Australian..about $8 US) Slow Crack $12.95 Margot Smith's "Sleeping with the Lion" $12.95 Philistines ! "Forgive them, Oh Steve, for they know not what they do" Brian Smith (Getting a little carried away) PS The worst of it is, I paid bloody full price for ALL those albums ! From BSmith@VCOMTELC.TELECOM.com.au Sun Jan 22 22:14 PST 1995 From: "Smith, Brian" Subject: Ploog played in Melbourne recently Hi all, A few months back I sent a report of a sighting of Richard Ploog here in Melbourne. I spoke to my cousin (who was at the gig at the Fox and Hounds) to get more details out of him. He remembered that the band Richard sat in with was called Dentists Drill, and he'd been called at the last minute to replace their drummer. That implies he lives (or lived) in Melbourne, so at least I know something I didn't before. Mr Horan, any info on that band ? Brian "Ear to the Ground" Smith From BSmith@VCOMTELC.TELECOM.com.au Mon Jan 23 23:14 PST 1995 From: "Smith, Brian" Subject: Re: Worst Church Song... > I know MWP has a huge record collection, 10000 sticks in my mind, but > this seems unlikely. That is correct. He quoted this figure in a radio interview (3RRR here in melbourne) which I have most of on tape. I wonder how many CDs he has ? Brian From BSmith@VCOMTELC.TELECOM.com.au Tue Jan 24 20:43 PST 1995 From: "Smith, Brian" Subject: Parodies Has anyone written a parody of any Church songs ? I once did Metropolis (which I can't find or remember anymore) and in the last few days this has been running through my mind "Cut in Two - That's the kind of shit I'm shovelling." It doesn't mean I don't like the song, I like it actually. But the rhythm and rhyme works well, so it suggests itself rather easily. If I'm feeling creative, I might follow it through (we have parody epidemics at work sometimes, it's that kind of an office.), but I wondered whether anyone else has any parody ideas. Let's hear 'em ! Brian From BSmith@VCOMTELC.TELECOM.com.au Wed Jan 25 16:51 PST 1995 From: "Smith, Brian" Cc: Church Subject: RE: missing cd tracks > or vinyl. are they highly experimental pieces? the title 'random pan' has > always suggested to me something along the lines of 'some lysergic africa'. Actually, Random Pan is one of Steve "sketches". A short, clear song about a place he's thought up. Here's the lyrics Good times are a'coming well I saw it in a vision I've heard it in evangelists sighs Down beyond the station, yonder lies salvation In the afternoon's in the skies (not sure there) A child has been born who can converse with the poor Who has access to the sadness of the trees Decipher the cicadas when his legs will take him farther He can fetch Royal Jelly from the bees Random Pan Random Pan They say the spirits manifesting and the eagle has been nesting And the river is (taken / tasty ?) full of fish Behind a waving sea of reeds where the sacred swans would feed Providence provides you with a wish And you wish to understand and you look down at your hands And your fingers are all feathered and divine You can wave into the darkness of the softness and the stardust (a bit muffled, all of that) As the (magic/manna) drains into your mind Random Pan Random Pan About 120 beats per min, key of D for the verses (with the odd sus4 or 9 (Dsus, D9) for flavour The chorus (Memory (c) don't fail me now !) is C9 Am Em or something. Pain in My Temples escapes me for the moment, but it's somewhat like Goliath, but happier. Big drums etc. A song about gods not living up to their responsibilities (hence the play on words "Temples") Brian (Who is grateful for the ability to type at 90 wpm) Smith From BSmith@VCOMTELC.TELECOM.com.au Tue Jan 31 03:25 PST 1995 From: "Smith, Brian" Cc: Church Subject: Re: Sacramento Show = Great! > notes? I love playing Church songs, but I just can't figure all of them out. Well, I know stacks of 'em ! I can even play Will I Start To Bleed properly ! Took me two weeks to get that one right, but it was worth it. I started out the same way as you, just jamming along. In fact, that's how I learned to play guitar; by accompanying Starfish. Badly at first, but eventually I got better. Just tell me which songs you'd like and I'll tell you what the chords are. Best move for you now is to track down the tab books to Starfish and GAF. You'll learn most of their standard chords. definitive chords ? Those going to the acoustic shows can take notes :). I'll be the first to volunteer my collection, which I've built up over the years. Of course, we'll include all solo material. If pressed, I'll transcribe my Will I Start To Bleed. Brian From BSmith@VCOMTELC.TELECOM.com.au Sun Feb 12 20:54 PST 1995 From: "Smith, Brian" Cc: Church Subject: Re: Church Chords AARGH !! I can't let this one past, since it's the first Skilbey song I learned, and one of my all-time favourites. I'll just repair the chords for you... > C(9) Am F Em G > *C(9) = 032030 This should be C9 Am7sus4 Fmaj7 Em G *Am7sus4 = A7sus4 = 002030 I play a Dm7 instead of the Fmaj7. But I saw Steve play Fmaj7. > C(9) Am7sus4 > You arrived here unexplained. > > Am Dm7 > I can't believe the chance you took, > > Dm7 > I can't believe you're > > Em G > back again. > > > C(9) Am7sus4 > Sister, come in from the rain. > > Am Dm7 > Those images are fading now, > > Dm7 > Be sure to bring them > > Em G > back again. > > > F G > In the othertime, > > Am > in a bargain basement, > > G > you were recognized. > > > F G > Then from time to time, > > Am > much to my amazement > > D7 D7sus4 > With each ensueing episode, > > D7 D7sus4 > your elegance, it really showed. > ^ > | > *hold into verse > > 2nd verse: repeat. > > > The key here is the strumming pattern. It may take some time to get the > knack of playing and singing it at the same time. (Well, it did for me.) > Have fun! > > Fenton From BSmith@VCOMTELC.TELECOM.com.au Wed Feb 22 02:09 PST 1995 From: "Smith, Brian" Subject: Remindlessness lyric insight There's a song on Remindlessness (I think its "Liquid") that contains the words "rapture of the deep". I was reading a collection of science essays by Asimov yesterday and he explains where that phrase comes from. Its comes from scuba divers. When they go deep, the increased pressure causes nitrogen to dissolve into their tissues instead of remaining gaseous. The effect this has is rather like being drunk: decreased motor skills, increased confidence (bad combination) and euphoria. And that's the "rapture of the deep". I wonder if Steve's ever been scuba diving..... Brian "Ask Dr. Stupid !" Smith From BSmith@VCOMTELC.TELECOM.com.au Wed Feb 22 20:16 PST 1995 From: "Smith, Brian" Subject: Re: T-Shirts > Hi folks, > I have a stack of photgraphs of the lads from over the years that I have > done for various publications. I maintain the rights to them and would be > happy to donate any if that is the way we go. I've got a couple of my own, how about a collage of photos that we have all taken. That makes the t-shirt uniquely ours ! Brian From BSmith@VCOMTELC.TELECOM.com.au Wed Feb 22 21:15 PST 1995 From: "Smith, Brian" Subject: Re: T-Shirts Waste of Bandwidth #452 --------------- What I DON'T want to use as exemplary lyrics for the T-shirt: Maybe These Boys wanna do some talking Maybe These Boys wanna do some walking I had a shave it was close too...a close shave There goes the Maven signing the cheque He bought us dinner so what the fucking heck --------------- If any of those ended up on the t-shirt, we'd be deserve to be pelted with raw eggs and rotten tomatoes wherever we wore it :) From BSmith@VCOMTELC.TELECOM.com.au Sat Feb 25 19:42 PST 1995 From: "Smith, Brian" Subject: Re: The Church word of the day > Software sings and hardware hears, > > christopher That reminds me, someone here once mentioned that Steve was training, or perhaps did some work, as a computer programmer. Can any confirm this ? Brian From BSmith@VCOMTELC.TELECOM.com.au Sun Feb 26 15:03 PST 1995 From: "Smith, Brian" Subject: RE: Tshirt couplets... a selection (longish) > It Doesn't Change: > Close to you, hear all you say/Even though you're continents away This is a DEFINITE reference to e-mail ! What a prophet that man is ! Let's use it. > Kings: > In deserts where the dust storm blows/And lush black swamps where mandrake > grows/We're marching laughing to the drum/Waiting for those kings to come I like this one too: Kings is one of my faves. Brian From BSmith@VCOMTELC.TELECOM.com.au Wed Mar 1 19:26 PST 1995 From: "Smith, Brian" Cc: Church Subject: Re: Tshirt ... > > From ThomasIrv@aol.com Fri Feb 24 14:53:15 1995 > > On the lyrical side, I LOVE "software sings and hardware hears." > What song is that from btw? KINGS !!! You're expelled from the group ! No t-shirt for you, blasphemer ! Brian From tyrone@karl.cs.su.oz.au Wed Feb 22 15:51 PST 1995 seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM) with MHSnet; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 10:50:24 +1100 Subject: Please Subscribe Me ... From: "Tyrone Jude Joseph ONeill" Hi, Because the Church are, in my opinion, the finest band I have heard, could you please add me to the 'seance' mailing list? Thanks. Tyrone O'Neill (Ph.D. Student in CS, University of Sydney) From tyrone@karl.cs.su.oz.au Sun Feb 26 16:05 PST 1995 seance@thechurch.ebay.sun.com) with MHSnet; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 11:00:42 +1100 Subject: Introduction ... From: "Tyrone Jude Joseph ONeill" Having just joined the seance mailing list and gleaned at least some idea of the nature of the group (its nature being inherently noble, of course, given the aims of the group), I shall briefly introduce myself. Favourite Church Album - Heyday, followed closely by Blurred Crusade and Seance. Favourite Church Tracks - Disenchanted (Heyday), Just for You (Blurred Crusade). Favourite SK Album - The Slow Crack (fav. track 'Surrealist Woman Blues'). Other favourite music includes most acoustic guitar music and Australian indepdendent music from the last 10-15 years, notably the Go-Betweens and Ed Kuepper. Live gig of this month for me, given that the Church haven't played in Australia for far too long, was the mesmerising performance by Irish singer/songwriter/guitarist Luka Bloom, including a version of REM's 'Everybody Hurts' which was probably the best cover I have ever heard live of any song. Regarding the current T-shirt debate, I make my own Church clothing by paying A$26 (approx. US$18, I think) to buy a shirt with my choice of image affixed by a colour laser photocopying. My favourite example is the album cover of Heyday (in my opinion not just the best album, but best album cover too). I'd be happy to buy any T-shirt thought satisfactory by others, but would suggest that designs should have conceptual elegance and therefore, most likely, an uncrowded and uncluttered design; in other words, simplicity is best. By the way, I've just started in the Ph.D. program in Artificial Intelligence with the Computer Science department at the University of Sydney. I'll be here for a few years yet. For those with access to the web, my WWW home page is still in the infancy of its construction but can be opened at: http://www.cs.su.oz.au:80/~tyrone/. Looking forward to many days of online ecclesiastic dialogue, Tyrone From venverloh_jeff@po.gis.prc.com Wed Jan 4 06:55 PST 1995 From: "Venverloh Jeff" Subject: Goldfish I just returned from NYC. The Tower Clearance Annex has a quantity (I'd say about 10 of 'em) of the "Goldfish (Jokes, Magic, Souvenir)" on VHS for $5.99. Such a deal! From root@students.wisc.edu Tue Feb 7 12:11 PST 1995 X-Nupop-Charset: English From: "jeff ylvisaker" Sender: jrylvisa@students.wisc.edu Subject: Introduction Hello All, I just joined this group, and I am glad to see that one exists!!! My name is Jeff Ylvisaker, I live in Madison, WI. My favourite Church album is probaly Priest = Aura, favourite song Chaos. I started listening to the Church shortly after Starfish came out, Reptile was the song that caught my attention. Then once Priest = Aura was released I began to listen to them all the time, and set out to buy any and all music made by Steve Kilbey. There are a few discs that I cannot get a hold of, the first on my list is Narcosis. If anyone who could point me in the right direction, I would be very happy. later------- Jeff From root@students.wisc.edu Tue Feb 7 22:09 PST 1995 X-Nupop-Charset: English From: "jeff ylvisaker" Sender: jrylvisa@students.wisc.edu Subject: Concerts?? Hello Does anyone know if, when and where the Church will be, are touring? Any information will be appreciated. Thank you all, Jeff From root@students.wisc.edu Fri Feb 10 14:02 PST 1995 X-Nupop-Charset: English From: "jeff ylvisaker" Sender: jrylvisa@students.wisc.edu Subject: RE: Desert Island Discs Well Not in this order... Priest = Aura The Church Remindlessness Steve Kilbey Disintegration The Cure Chrome Catherine Wheel Priest = Aura The Church ( I'd hate for the first one to bust! ) Sparkle in the Rain Simple Minds Faith The Cure a qUICK sMOKE aT sPOT'S tHE cHURCH Jack Frost Jack Frost Street Fighting Years Simple Minds .. .. .. .. .. Later Jeff From root@students.wisc.edu Thu Feb 23 22:42 PST 1995 X-Nupop-Charset: English From: "jeff ylvisaker" Sender: jrylvisa@students.wisc.edu Subject: T-Shirts thoughts Hello Ya'll, I second the idea of P=A on the front, that is if were interested in possible copyright infringment; some lyrics perhaps on the back. About the seance@... that sounds fine; it's unique to all of us here. How about " FOR ALL TIME " written on the shirt somewhere?? jeff From root@students.wisc.edu Mon Feb 27 16:31 PST 1995 X-Nupop-Charset: English From: "jeff ylvisaker" Sender: jrylvisa@students.wisc.edu Subject: RE: LYRICS VOTES: options >DESTINATION >1) It's not a religion, it's just a technique >1 - just about perfect, probably my first choice Hello, I second this as my first choice as well. Jeff Ylvisaker---- jrylvisa@students.wisc.edu And as my second choice: "A deep space jam on a alien terrian" or both as you, Vernon suggested. From 4MIJARES_J@spcvxa.spc.edu Wed Nov 30 10:41 PST 1994 From: 4MIJARES_J@spcvxa.spc.edu Subject: Re: The Triffids Organization: St. Peter's College, US X-Vms-To: IN%"seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.Com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Morten, > Musical recommendation for the day: Calenture (The Triffids) > >>Oooh, yes.... A brilliant album by another brilliant Australian band... >>My recommendation: "Fink Tank" by Bughouse...... As above.... Alright, finally someone mentions a band I've been curious about for some time, but have been too lazy to enquire about: The Triffids. I happen to own the "Trick of the Light" E.P. and enjoy that particular track. I've been told that that the rest of songs on "Calenture" are not really in the same commercial vein as the song "Trick..." and that the album overrall kicks! I'm curious if you or anybody else can give a small critique of this record because I've seen it in a record store and I might just pick it up. It's also out of print here in the States which is another reason I'm thinking of picking it up. Jose E. Mijares From 4MIJARES_J@spcvxa.spc.edu Fri Jan 20 09:45 PST 1995 From: 4MIJARES_J@spcvxa.spc.edu Subject: Re: Travel by Thought a duff track!? Organization: St. Peter's College, US X-Vms-To: IN%"seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Aaron wrote: >(Money on DSOTM, and Travel by Thought on Seance - >I think that is one of the worst songs they've ever done) Aaron, welcome aboard so to speak. In addition, I must say that you're definite- ly going to be hearing alot of murmur from this group for the above blasphemy :) Yes, everybody is entitled to their opinions (no doubt about that), but "Travel by Thought" one of their worst songs? I don't think so mate! I'd be curious about what the others on this group would say to the above. I must repeat again in case I get misunderstood and/or flamed: you're entitled to your opinion(s). -Jose From 4MIJARES_J@spcvxa.spc.edu Fri Jan 20 13:38 PST 1995 From: 4MIJARES_J@spcvxa.spc.edu Subject: Re: Travel by Thought a duff track!? Organization: St. Peter's College, US X-Vms-To: IN%"Seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Aaron wrote: >(Money on DSOTM, and Travel by Thought on Seance - >I think that is one of the worst songs they've ever done) Aaron, welcome aboard so to speak. In addition, I must say that you're definite- ly going to be hearing alot of murmur from this group for the above blasphemy :) Yes, everybody is entitled to their opinions (no doubt about that), but "Travel by Thought" one of their worst songs? I don't think so mate! I'd be curious about what the others on this group would say to the above. I must repeat again in case I get misunderstood and/or flamed: you're entitled to your opinion(s). I HOPE THIS GETS THROUGH BECAUSE IT BOUNCED ON ME THREE TIMES ALREADY; IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN SENT THIS MORNING!!! -Jose From 4MIJARES_J@spcvxa.spc.edu Mon Jan 23 12:23 PST 1995 From: 4MIJARES_J@spcvxa.spc.edu Subject: Re: dig it, a metaller amongst the ranks! :) Organization: St. Peter's College, US X-Vms-To: IN%"seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Mefisto, >BTW...on the scant liner notes to SEANCE, it says thanks to PHILTHY for the >Telecaster...would that be Philthy from Motorhead? (like there are a lot of >"Philthy's" running around out there...If so, who used it, Marty or Peter? >And do we know how the Church feels about Motorhead, cuz I know that I >personally love them...(am a big heavy metal fan to begin with, tho...) I can't remember at this point whether I did or not, but I could swear I must have thought the same thing when I saw the scant liner notes. The thought pro- bably lasted maybe 2 or 3 seconds because I figured that since PHILTHY is a drummer, but of course that doesn't mean that it couldn't have been him. I'm curious concerning what you said above: is The Church fans of Motorhead or what? I was surprised about Philthy's departure sometime ago. :( When he came on board so to speak back in '87 for "Rock & Roll", I figured Fast Eddie Clarke was not too far behind. Guess not! -Jose From 4MIJARES_J@spcvxa.spc.edu Mon Jan 23 12:39 PST 1995 From: 4MIJARES_J@spcvxa.spc.edu Subject: Re: sorry folks! :) Organization: St. Peter's College, US X-Vms-To: IN%"seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT To all fellow parishioners, Thanks to all (you know who you are) who pointed out to me that my messages got through. Sorry about any inconveniences I might have caused with those 3 messages. :) -Jose P.S. Now that I'm "here", I figured I can ask this question: sometime ago, some- one E-mailed me for some info. on a CD-single I have concerning The Triffids. Whoever it was (Morten?), can you E-mail me again and tell me what exactly it was about the CD-single that you wanted to know? Thanks! From 4MIJARES_J@spcvxa.spc.edu Tue Jan 24 15:33 PST 1995 From: 4MIJARES_J@spcvxa.spc.edu Subject: Re: Worst songs Organization: St. Peter's College, US X-Vms-To: IN%"seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT >i only dislike one song. metropolis. so: >1. metropolis >2. metropolis >3. metropolis Good Lord, say it isn't so!!! That's probably my favorite song on the album. I must admit, it has a certain "thing" from a sentimental point of view (for me at least), but nevertheless it has some kick; more so in contrast to the many of the other songs on GAF which lack a certain something. Anybody else out "there" agree with me on this point: I believe GAF is a solid record overall, but it seems their's something drastically missing. My hunch is that the fault lies not in the stars, but in the production values. :) Some of the songs need a boost of some sort from the way in which they are produced on GAF. Case in point is "Terra Nova Cain" which just seems to plod along with a very dull feel to it. Other "plodding" Church songs in my opinion kick, but at least they have that "something" (can't seem to put my finger on it) which some songs off GAF lack. -Jose From 4MIJARES_J@spcvxa.spc.edu Fri Feb 10 07:55 PST 1995 From: 4MIJARES_J@spcvxa.spc.edu Subject: Desert Island Discs Organization: St. Peter's College, US X-Vms-To: IN%"seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I'm not sure if this was done in the past, but I'm slightly curious as to what particular CD's all you guys and gals would prefer to have with you in case you got stranded on a island or something? Here's my list: [no particular order BTW] Aerosmith - "Rocks" Cabaret Voltaire - "Covenant, Sword, and the Arm of the Lord" The Cars - "Candy-O" The Church - "Heyday" Clan of Xymox - "Medusa" The Cult - "Dreamtime" " " - "Love" (U.K. version) Fields of the Nephilim - "Elizium" New Model Army - "No Rest for the Wicked" Tank - "This Means War" honorable mention: Bauhaus - "The Sky's Gone Out" (U.K. version) The Cure - "Pornography" Discharge - "Hear nothing, See nothing, Say nothing" Joy Division - "Substance", "Closer", & "Unknown Pleasures" Judas Priest - "Unleashed in the East - Live in Japan" (Jap. version) New Order - "Substance" Sister's of Mercy - "First and Last and Always" -Jose From 4MIJARES_J@spcvxa.spc.edu Mon Feb 13 12:02 PST 1995 From: 4MIJARES_J@spcvxa.spc.edu Subject: FWD: Marty and his 12 string. Organization: St. Peter's College, US X-Vms-To: IN%"seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT >He may not be the best in the world, but he's the only guitarist I know of who >uses 12 strings fairly exclusively (OK, well maybe Tom Petty, but hey, no con- >test!), so perhaps we can give him the title of "Best 12-string player"? >-paul Ah, I could be wrong about this one, but I believe Wayne Hussey of The Mission U.K. is also - or is - a 12-string aficionado. :) -Jose From 4MIJARES_J@spcvxa.spc.edu Mon Feb 13 12:03 PST 1995 From: 4MIJARES_J@spcvxa.spc.edu Subject: FWD: island music Organization: St. Peter's College, US X-Vms-To: IN%"seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT >Black Sabbath-The Ozzy Osbourne Years >Danzig-Danzig II:Lucifugee >Metallica-Live Shit:Bing and Purge >Voivod-Nothingface;The Outer Limits Good Lord, I finally see someone mention some metal bands! For a minute there, I thought I was the only one who liked their music a little gritty and edgy at times! :) I could it see it now: "Hmmmm, if this guy only knew that I also listen to the occasional metal band and/or CD once in awhile; I just wouldn't have them with me on while stranded...". Okay, good enough by me. :) -Jose From 4MIJARES_J@spcvxa.spc.edu Wed Feb 22 14:36 PST 1995 From: 4MIJARES_J@spcvxa.spc.edu Subject: Re: T-shirts and our opinions Organization: St. Peter's College, US X-Vms-To: IN%"seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.Com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Here's my 0.02 worth: color of shirt - BLACK front portion - P=A cover (2nd place - "Heyday") back portion - up above - or below - would be seance@ ...and in the middle in big letters: some quote from one a song that we all can agree on. size shirt - I'm a medium BTW If there's anything I've left out, someone let me know. -Jose From 4MIJARES_J@spcvxa.spc.edu Mon Feb 27 10:22 PST 1995 From: 4MIJARES_J@spcvxa.spc.edu Subject: Re: Tshirt ... Organization: St. Peter's College, US X-Vms-To: IN%"seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.Com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT >>I wote for this one to ! "Close to you, hear all you say/Even though you're continents away" Ditto!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -Jose From 4MIJARES_J@spcvxa.spc.edu Fri Mar 3 16:32 PST 1995 From: 4MIJARES_J@spcvxa.spc.edu Subject: Re: One Day Organization: St. Peter's College, US X-Vms-To: IN%"seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Dave, >BTW, if you haven't seen "Logan's Run," please don't bother; it's >heinous (unless you're a big fan of Farrah Fawcett's fluffy blow-dry 'do, >circa 1976--yikes!). Hey, I beg to differ on the above: "Logan's Run" was a pretty cool movie. If my memory does not fail me at this point, I remember watching it way back when in the theaters alongside one of my all-time faves: "Rollerball". Just thought I'd put my 0.02 in. :) -Jose From AMBIENCE@delphi.com Wed Nov 30 19:39 PST 1994 From: AMBIENCE@delphi.com Subject: Re: australian bands X-Vms-To: INTERNET"JBatsMail@aol.com" X-Vms-Cc: INTERNET"seance@thechurch.EBay.sun.COM" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Speaking of Australian bands, does anyone know if the Lime Spiders are still kicking? ____________________________________________________________________________ Paul Rafanello ambience@delphi.com ____________________________________________________________________________ From aiendo@u.washington.edu Mon Feb 13 09:28 PST 1995 Mon, 13 Feb 95 09:26:55 -0800 X-Sender: aiendo@homer22.u.washington.edu From: Ai Endo Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Subject: RE: Tristesse On Mon, 13 Feb 1995 pe%daisy.flow.kth.se@mailer1.u.washington.edu wrote: > > I tought that Tristesse was an english word as > well. My interpetation of it is more like > boredom than sadness. At least that is the meaning > of it in Swedish .... > > Per. > I just arrived on seance, so i don't know if anyone said- 'tristesse' is french for melancholy..... -henny From aiendo@u.washington.edu Mon Feb 13 15:23 PST 1995 Mon, 13 Feb 95 15:21:42 -0800 X-Sender: aiendo@homer05.u.washington.edu From: Ai Endo Subject: i've just arrived... i just joined the seance, and as a new member, i will be nice and introduce myself. Hi. Found hte church in 8th grade, bought every album on tape, then converted to cd- for a lifetime of listening pleasure. i've only met about 8 poeple who've heard of the church, and none of them are freaks like me. it's great to see a bunch of people talking about them, they're brilliant. i also dig marty and steve's solo work, theyr'e musical gods of mine. that's another thing- i can't wait to get chords and things from fellow players, is there an email where i can just receive all that's been deciphered? i don't have ftp, though. well, i'll stop here, don't want to keep you. see you around the table...-henny From aiendo@u.washington.edu Thu Feb 16 14:46 PST 1995 Thu, 16 Feb 95 14:44:59 -0800 X-Sender: aiendo@homer20.u.washington.edu From: Ai Endo Cc: Church Mailing List Subject: Re: Questions & observations On Thu, 16 Feb 1995, Scott W Reichert wrote: > Did anyone else notice that on the GAF cover, each of the boys is in > their respective picture twice? If you didn't, look real carefully > (collect all four!). Yeah, I noticed cause I had (still have) a poster of the cover. I was staring at it one day, and I noticed Marty in the Flower shop window. Then I played Where's Steve, Peter and Richard. It was fun. > Does anyone know who that is in the suit of armor in the Almost With You > video? > It looks like Steve to me....the eyes, look. > When I first got the Goldfish video, I had no idea what song Steve was > singing in the one break. Who'da thunk it would be released years > later? (The first track on SE, I forget the title). Drought > Just how many gee-tar players are there out there, and how many are > really benefitting from the chord postings? (I'm just curious.) I play guitar, and I love it when chords are posted.... I remember sending mail to someone regarding live audio/video > performances. Any updates/information/cost estimates/quantity > estimates? (Again, the curiousity thing. That, and I'm very anxious > I'd like to buy some live audio/video tapes too. let me know if you get info, thanks! -henny > > From aiendo@u.washington.edu Mon Feb 20 23:08 PST 1995 Mon, 20 Feb 95 23:07:45 -0800 X-Sender: aiendo@homer11.u.washington.edu From: Ai Endo Subject: testing.... sorry to bother everyone, but i'm wondering if my messages are getting through. i think one got through, but i also got it returned. but anyway i have a question: Did the church come to seattle on their P=A tour? cause i didn't hear anything at all about them around here, and if they did, and i missed my chance to see kilbey and willson-piper with koppes for the last time.... (grit teeth) -henny From aiendo@u.washington.edu Tue Feb 21 21:16 PST 1995 Tue, 21 Feb 95 21:15:08 -0800 X-Sender: aiendo@homer18.u.washington.edu From: Ai Endo Cc: Churchlist Subject: Re: Grand Plan A: t-shirts (fwd) the album collage is a great idea! i'll definitely buy one. now for the couplet or two...THAT'S the tough part.... From aiendo@u.washington.edu Wed Feb 22 09:24 PST 1995 Wed, 22 Feb 95 09:20:14 -0800 X-Sender: aiendo@homer14.u.washington.edu From: Ai Endo Cc: SEANCE Subject: Re: Tshirts.. On Wed, 22 Feb 1995 NJANDREW@GENVAX.GLAMORGAN.AC.UK wrote: > > > I like the collage idea (in fact, I suggested it didnt I??) > > But I think the Statue cover is rather gaudy and tacky.... > > (sorry to upset the apple cart) > > Neil. > Hmmm, i like the statue idear. (picking up some apples) -henny From aiendo@u.washington.edu Wed Feb 22 15:48 PST 1995 Wed, 22 Feb 95 15:47:38 -0800 X-Sender: aiendo@homer23.u.washington.edu From: Ai Endo Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Subject: Re: the t-shirt debate yeah, on second thought, all the albums would look really bad. i think i was caught up in the idea of a t-shirt and lost my senses. anyway, i've always been fo rthe 'simplicity is best' philosophy. black and white picture, like the p=a cover, would look the best. if there will be color, then it should be limited to one or two other than b+w, ie, blue for shading or something, but even then be mixed with gray to tone it down.... what does everyone think? -henny From aiendo@u.washington.edu Wed Feb 22 16:01 PST 1995 Wed, 22 Feb 95 15:59:16 -0800 X-Sender: aiendo@homer23.u.washington.edu From: Ai Endo Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Subject: Re: OK OK T-SHirts again > ps I would prefer a white t-shirt because i live in the tropics. i think, whoever's going to actually have the shirts made, should be rewarded somehow for their kind nature. having said that, i don't think it would be TOO much of a problem for the 'maker' to have some black shirts made and some white. since there'll be different sizes, anyway....we'll just specify in our order request, right? From aiendo@u.washington.edu Wed Feb 22 19:49 PST 1995 Wed, 22 Feb 95 19:48:31 -0800 X-Sender: aiendo@homer12.u.washington.edu From: Ai Endo Cc: drrake@leland.stanford.edu, seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Subject: Re: T-Shirts i don't know...i don't really want the milky way chorus on the shirt, we have to explore all the possibilities, not just the most recognizable ones. how about, 'a palm tree nodded at me last night/he said hey you look so pale.' just kidding. =) From aiendo@u.washington.edu Wed Feb 22 21:58 PST 1995 Wed, 22 Feb 95 21:55:38 -0800 X-Sender: aiendo@homer16.u.washington.edu From: Ai Endo Cc: Church Subject: Re: T-Shirts > I've got a couple of my own, how about a collage of photos that we have all > taken. That makes the t-shirt uniquely ours ! > I think it would look better if we had one picture (maybe two) that was eye-catching and church-invoking in itself. i was thinking, 'it's already yesterday/we're off the calendar.' the church's music is timeless.... -henny From aiendo@u.washington.edu Thu Feb 23 20:15 PST 1995 Thu, 23 Feb 95 20:14:04 -0800 X-Sender: aiendo@homer06.u.washington.edu From: Ai Endo Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Subject: Re: T-shirt colours On Thu, 23 Feb 1995 ThomasIrv@aol.com wrote: > and there you go. However, make it a white shirt and you've got to either > reverse the image and print black, having the white shirt show through to > represent silver (a less than ideal facsimile, IMHO) or lay down an initial > run of solid black, and follow that with the silver. Not a bad idea, that, > and you could of course have your shirt in any colour you liked. > Or, you could just print the picture in black instead of silver.... > > Everyone's throwing out ideas, but we're not getting anywhere...I can see this going on forever. So to help avoid this problem, i'll keep track of possible quotes. So everyone post what they would want, and we'll vote in a couple of weeks or something. is that alright? -henny > From aiendo@u.washington.edu Fri Feb 24 09:17 PST 1995 Fri, 24 Feb 95 09:16:12 -0800 X-Sender: aiendo@homer08.u.washington.edu From: Ai Endo Cc: jeff ylvisaker , seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Subject: Re: T-Shirts thoughts On Thu, 23 Feb 1995, Nicole B. Hall wrote: > Ya know, we can make shirts that say "Altho the singer is long dead, his > voice goes on and on, on and on" so that our children and grandchildren > can inherit them. [no, this is not a serious vote of potential shirt lyric > > I love that lyric, and i do see it on a t-shirt, but only after steve kilbey's dead. :/ -henny From aiendo@u.washington.edu Fri Feb 24 13:52 PST 1995 Fri, 24 Feb 95 13:50:04 -0800 X-Sender: aiendo@homer12.u.washington.edu From: Ai Endo Cc: "Nicole B. Hall" , jeff ylvisaker , seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Subject: Re: T-Shirts thoughts On Fri, 24 Feb 1995, Peter James Rasmussen wrote: > hey, How about the four members heads on the front (sk, pk, rp, mwp), > distorted so they are in the shapes of paisleys swirling around each other. > Cool! :) Here's a question- if we put heads on it, would it be the former 4-person line-up, or just kilbey and willson-piper? I personally have no qualms about putting ex-members on the shirt, cause the church has a lot of history. -henny From aiendo@u.washington.edu Fri Feb 24 20:34 PST 1995 Fri, 24 Feb 95 20:33:21 -0800 X-Sender: aiendo@homer17.u.washington.edu From: Ai Endo Cc: Churchlist Subject: Re: T-shirts update (IMPORTANT for those interested, but LONGISH) Wow, good job, Eve! We're startin' to roll!!! On Fri, 24 Feb 1995, Eve Emshoff wrote: > > > I spoke with Julie at Image Gallery, who gave me a price quote on the > T-shirts. She is willing to work with us on this. > > Alright, Julie's on our side! We've got connections!> > INFO: > 3.Each T-shirt will cost $15.00. Now, that's for 100. I'd need enough > over that for shipping!!! (sorry. . .cringe) So, is $5.00 additional > reasonable? Anyone??? Should I go $10.00 extra for those overseas? That's > still a sweet deal, as I've bought T-shirts at concerts for $25.00-$30.00. > >Would those in the US be willing to pay $20.00? > > I think that's a steal! I'd buy two (if there's two designs)> > Would those overseas (Aus, NZ, Sweden, Finland, etc.) be willing to pay > $25.00 U.S. dollars? > That includes EITHER: 50 of one design, and 50 of another > OR > 100 of One design > (doesn't matter which) > I can check on the price for only 50 shirts, if anyone thinks I should. Yeah, maybe that would be wise. We should find out how many people are actually gonna buy these first.... > 4.We have our choice of design on ANY color T-shirt we want: > > Black > White > Natural > Does that mean every person gets to pick a color for themselves, or is it that we get to pick a color for all 50 or 100? > > > 5. The price quote includes: > Four-color printing > One large design on front, one large design on back > (it might be less with a small design on front/large one in back, but I > didn't have her quote me on that) > > So, we would need two designs for front voted on, > and two designs for back voted on. >We must keep a tally on design ideas and vote in the next couple weeks. > I need some input, please!! > If anyone will keep tabs, please e-mail me privately! I volunteer! =) > 2.Should I order 100 when I order? Or less? More? > Let's see who's all buying one first Yes, I think a photo would be cool- the originality factor. :) > They would like half of the order amount put down when we put in the > design. So, I'd need money for that. If we order 100, that's $750. I > don't happen to have that myself, so I would need to have the money for > the T-shirts ahead of time. Those of us buying shirts could send money beforehand > Would it help if I put together a Questionaire, and sent it out to everyone? > with things like: first choice design (when we decide on a few) Yeah, after we decide on a few designs, quotes, position of design, etc, we should send out a questionnaire and...i guess majority rules. DEMOCRACY! > We don't have to have hard and fast answers right now. . .I was shooting > for the middle of March. Let's consider that our goal.... :) Come on, people! Soon, we'll all be wearing shirts! (these shirts, anyway). -henny From aiendo@u.washington.edu Sun Feb 26 09:33 PST 1995 Sun, 26 Feb 95 09:32:25 -0800 X-Sender: aiendo@homer13.u.washington.edu From: Ai Endo Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Subject: Re: Tshirt couplets... a selection (longish) I've noted all your couplets- great suggestions. (i'm the one keeping track :)) -henny ps- we'll have lots of fun voting... From aiendo@u.washington.edu Sun Feb 26 22:39 PST 1995 Sun, 26 Feb 95 22:38:00 -0800 X-Sender: aiendo@homer12.u.washington.edu From: Ai Endo Cc: Churchlist Subject: Re: T-shirts. . .need someone to tally a count On Sun, 26 Feb 1995, Eve Emshoff wrote: > I really need someone to tally a count on those truly, seriously > interested in purchasing a T-shirt (or 2). > > Would someone be willing to take numbers/names/etc. down when they scroll > through Church-related e-mail? I'll do it! So all you that are ordering shirts, please send ME a message with the subject heading, "Purchase <# of shirts>". (by the way, this was Eve's brilliant idea, isn't she smart? :) ) -henny From aiendo@u.washington.edu Mon Feb 27 09:58 PST 1995 Mon, 27 Feb 95 09:54:24 -0800 X-Sender: aiendo@homer22.u.washington.edu From: Ai Endo Cc: SEANCE Subject: Re: T shirts On Mon, 27 Feb 1995 NJANDREW@GENVAX.GLAMORGAN.AC.UK wrote: > I would like to second, third or fourth the 'continents away' lyric for the > shirt couplet. I've been keeping track of lyric votes, and i just wanted to add that there's been many many many for this lyric. but remember- there may be TWO shirts, so maybe think of another favored lyric. >Its not dazzling but its very apt for us lot!! Also, I dont see why the shirt > shouldnt have the address displayed proudly on it as it is for US ! (It would > be great to meet others at gigs and put names to faces) > yeah, i agree that the address should be on there, but not in three-inch letters...anyway, the design we choose will be unique, and will be easily recognizable. so toss out design ideas, too! :) > Simple and Classy I say..... yes, yes! i agree! -henny From aiendo@u.washington.edu Mon Feb 27 10:09 PST 1995 Mon, 27 Feb 95 09:47:21 -0800 X-Sender: aiendo@homer22.u.washington.edu From: Ai Endo Cc: church Subject: Re: lyrics and chords On Mon, 27 Feb 1995, Paula Diaz wrote: > having some trouble with the lyrics to "Nothing Inside" if anyone can help. It's one of my favorite songs of unearthed, i'll type the lyrics (however wrong or right) later today. -henny From aiendo@u.washington.edu Mon Feb 27 19:03 PST 1995 Mon, 27 Feb 95 19:02:06 -0800 X-Sender: aiendo@homer01.u.washington.edu From: Ai Endo Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Subject: Re: Hindsight i've seen Hindsight around here in the whopping $45 range, i got it a few years ago for more than half that price! does this mean it's just getting rare? anyway, if anyone wants me to pick up a copy for them, you can e me. -henny On Mon, 27 Feb 1995, Richard F. Delano wrote: > I just spotted in a copy of _Hindsight_ for sale in Boston at Nuggets in > Kenmore Square. The price? A definite bargain at $24!!! They also had From aiendo@u.washington.edu Tue Feb 28 12:19 PST 1995 Tue, 28 Feb 95 12:13:28 -0800 X-Sender: aiendo@homer06.u.washington.edu From: Ai Endo Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Subject: Re: shirt and lyric On Tue, 28 Feb 1995 SG938Q7H%DUVM.BITNET@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU wrote: > I like "close to you/hear all you say/even though you're continents away." > Also in favor of: > "beyond that void there's a place" > OR > "not a religion, it's just a technique" There's been a lot of affirmations for "Close to you...", but don't feel you have to vote now. I'm just keeping track of all the possibilities that people throw out(i have AT LEAST 30 so far that i've seen) - when the time comes in a few weeks, i'll collate them on one email, number them, and you all buying shirts will vote and narrow down the bunch to, i don't know, ten or so, then we'll vote again from the 'finalists'. but still, if you feel strongly about a lyric like this one, yeah, go ahead, tell everyone, maybe it'll sway them. just note that nothing's officially counted yet. -henny From aiendo@u.washington.edu Tue Feb 28 12:36 PST 1995 Tue, 28 Feb 95 12:03:02 -0800 X-Sender: aiendo@homer06.u.washington.edu From: Ai Endo Cc: SEANCE@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Subject: Re: shirt & vote That's a cool idea....-henny On Tue, 28 Feb 1995, DAVID FURST wrote: > > Close to you, hear all you say, > Even though you're continents away > (then how about the address) > Seance@ > (followed by - in italics so you have to squint to read) > "Travel By Thought" > > Dave > From aiendo@u.washington.edu Wed Mar 1 16:40 PST 1995 Wed, 1 Mar 95 15:48:41 -0800 X-Sender: aiendo@homer01.u.washington.edu From: Ai Endo Cc: seance Subject: Re: "slogan" On Wed, 1 Mar 1995, Jason Benda wrote: > I'll still buy a shirt, of course, regardless of what's on it but > I really like any of the forementioned snipits having to do with > electronic/computers, i.e. "I embraced a machine...", "software sings and > hardware hears", etc., and I'm not even a computer geek--I think. Yeah, I ain't a computer whiz, either, i mean, my love for the church has nothing to do with computers except a connection being this list. > personal favourite: "Our instruments have no way, of measuring this > feeling" simply because I believe Kilbey is saying that he has > songs/material in his head that he wants to do but there's no way he can > represent those emotions through instruments (and that's about as big > a statement he can make) and on the other hand, in regard to ourselves, > our instruments are of course fiber optics, satellites, and computers, > which could never understand the way each one of us actually feels about > what we do here, and I think that's pretty cool. Our instruments have no way of measuring this feeling....yeah. Yeah. I like it alot! I was pretty neutral on "Close to you..." but this one...yeah! It also says (about me anyway) that I cannot express strong feelings that the church's music invokes. yeah..... -henny From aiendo@u.washington.edu Thu Mar 2 22:26 PST 1995 Thu, 2 Mar 95 22:25:28 -0800 X-Sender: aiendo@homer05.u.washington.edu From: Ai Endo Subject: T-shirt design idea (another one) hey, i was browsing in a record store yesterday, and i saw the tantalized 12" cover- it has a black and white, kind of grainy, of the band, in an alley or something. i thought it'd make a cool shirt. does anyone know what picture i'm talking about? how's the shirt stuff going, eve? What kinds of pictures have the people of seance got of the lads? the list is unusually quiet, i wonder if everyone's left....maybe cause it's the middle of the night.... -henny From aiendo@u.washington.edu Thu Mar 2 22:29 PST 1995 Thu, 2 Mar 95 22:28:23 -0800 X-Sender: aiendo@homer05.u.washington.edu From: Ai Endo Subject: One Day while i'm at it, i'll mention something that makes me smile. at the end of one day, when steve runs out of lyrics to sing, and goes 'na na na na na na na na na...' then dips back into an old song, 'thought you nodded at me last night, he said, hey you look so pale....' then he really can't think of anything and just yelps, 'A-ah-hoo!' smile. heh. -henny From aiendo@u.washington.edu Thu Mar 2 23:12 PST 1995 Thu, 2 Mar 95 23:11:22 -0800 X-Sender: aiendo@homer09.u.washington.edu From: Ai Endo Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Subject: Re: T-shirt design idea (another one) yeah, i talk to steve and marty all the time, they'll gladly sign all the shirts. sorry, i'm not very funny in the middle of the night. at least not tonight. -henny On Fri, 3 Mar 1995, Bobby Rothrock wrote: > i'm here..in the middle of the night...ick!!! and i'm working actually.. > how terrible..perish the thought..i don't know of the pic you are refering > to, but it sounds do-able..another thing...since i'm sure many many ppl > on here have autographs..do you think it would be legal to scan those and > stick them on the shirt somewhere? anyone with direct contacts to steve or > marty? just another idea.. > > bobby > aka youth worshipper(ISCA bbs) > aka amadare(cleveland freenet) > > -- > wish i knew what you were looking for > might have known what you would find.. > kilbey c. 1988i'm here..in the middle of the night...ick!!! and i'm working actually.. > how terrible..perish the thought..i don't know of the pic you are refering > to, but it sounds do-able..another thing...since i'm sure many many ppl > on here have autographs..do you think it would be legal to scan those and > stick them on the shirt somewhere? anyone with direct contacts to steve or > marty? just another idea.. From aiendo@u.washington.edu Fri Mar 3 13:54 PST 1995 Fri, 3 Mar 95 13:53:30 -0800 X-Sender: aiendo@homer15.u.washington.edu From: Ai Endo Cc: seance Subject: Re: picture no, they're similar, but not the same. i thought either could be a good shirt shot, but i thought tantalized would be just a bit better. -henny On Fri, 3 Mar 1995, Paul Maurice Webb wrote: > That grainy, alley shot of the band from the tantalized 12" is also > used as the cover for the Columbus 12" promo, if it's the one I'm > thinking of. > -paul > > From aiendo@u.washington.edu Fri Mar 3 18:57 PST 1995 Fri, 3 Mar 95 18:57:02 -0800 X-Sender: aiendo@homer07.u.washington.edu From: Ai Endo Cc: Church List Subject: Re: Church interview LP at time of 1st solo releases I wonder if this is just a dub of their 120 minutes interview from '90. does steve say, "Why did i get involved with myself?", or does marty ever say, "I really like to *sing* and *write words*"? well, i guess you'd know if you heard dave kendall's voice asking the questions! -henny On Fri, 3 Mar 1995, KeN SaBaTiNi wrote: > Has anyone here listened to that Church interview album--the one with a > newspaper-like sleeve with the headline being something like "Church solo > albums found." It was a promo only, so it is kind of rare. I was debating > putting down the cashola for it and was wondering if anyone who has it or has > heard it can give me any comments. It is basically a recording of brief > interviews with Steve, Marty, and Peter at the time of their first solo > releases. Thanks for the help. > Ken > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ~ Ken Sabatini ~ > ~ University of Georgia ~ > ~ Athens, GA ~ > > > From aiendo@u.washington.edu Sat Mar 4 17:13 PST 1995 Sat, 4 Mar 95 17:13:24 -0800 X-Sender: aiendo@homer11.u.washington.edu From: Ai Endo Cc: Church List Subject: Re: Church interview LP at time of 1st solo releases (fwd) yeah, marty wasn't as happy as he usually is during the 120 min interview, either. he even mocked someone off-camera! that was kind of funny, with all that wasn't going on..... -henny From awan@wehner.math-cs.uni.edu Tue Feb 28 07:36 PST 1995 From: Ali Awan Subject: A short Intro.. Hello everyone! My name is Ali Awan and am new to the list. I go to school up at the University of Northern Iowa in the USA. As for favorite Church album, I don't think a Church fan would ever ask that of another. How could you? It is unfathomable to me. Yes, through time they have evolved but I can't say one album is better or worse than the other, they each explore a subtle new musical/mental/spiritual area. I listen to different albums at different stages of my life, and it depends what mood I am in. The first song I heard from them was Constant In Opal, back in '83, I saw a video on MTV, and didn't really know who they were. Since I was in Panama at the time, I didn't have access to cool albums. So it wasn't 'till '87 when Under The Milky way came out, that I rediscovered them and fulfilled my mission on this planet and bought all their albums! Hallelujah! Amen! I hope this intro prompts some discussion. Oh by the way, are the Church now defunct? I mean after Arista dropping them and all. Are Steve and Marty still doing their acoustical tour. Those buggers (at Arista) didn't even publicize it at all, so I missed them when they came around this area :( "....it may not be Eden, or Summer in Greece, you may not even find the Golden Fleece...." (yeah, it's fucking Iowa, -40 degrees) From BLATZMAN@aol.com Wed Jan 25 23:40 PST 1995 From: BLATZMAN@aol.com Subject: Church Info Is this a Church Information Service? Please Let me know. I'm a big fan. From BROWNKB@ml.wpafb.af.mil Thu Dec 15 05:22 PST 1994 From: BROWNKB@ml.wpafb.af.mil Reply-To: BROWNKB@ml.wpafb.af.mil Subject: The Church 1. Rykodisc has a www hom page - http://northshore.shore.net/~rykodisc/ 2. I've been on the list for about 4 months now, and I would like to state it's been great! I really need a copy of Sing Songs, I know this is hard to find, I saw it at a convention, but they wanted $50.00, and the cover was in pretty bad shape. I really, really need this to make my collection close to being complete, so if there is a Santa please help me. 3. The next time the Church play, could someone approach them and find out if there doing any other dates in the states besides LA. I live in Dayton, OH and will travel as far as St. Louis or Chicago, Cleveland. I saw them in Cincy noti (pun intended) and I don't think they will play there again, since there were a few total jerks in the crowd. 4. Also, does anyone now how I can get ahold of there management, book agent, I know a lot of people who want them to come to Dayton, and our will to help finance it. Thanks KELLY From BROWNKB@ml.wpafb.af.mil Fri Dec 16 07:25 PST 1994 From: BROWNKB@ml.wpafb.af.mil Reply-To: BROWNKB@ml.wpafb.af.mil Subject: The Church PETER KOPPES SOLD OUT TO CORPORATE SPONSORSHIP. I WAS IN A GUITAR SHOP YESTERDAY, AND SAW A POSTER OF ALL THE PEOPLE WHO INDORSE TAYLOR GUITARS AND HE WAS ONE OF THEM. OH WELL, A TAYLOR IS A GREAT GUITAR. THIS IS JUST TRIVA NEWS, BUT THE LINES HAVE BEEN KIND OF SLOW LATELY. LET'S SEE, HOW ABOUT WHAT IS YOUR BIGGEST/FAVORITE CHURCH OR BAND MEMBER COLLECTABLE ITEM? MINE WOULD HAVE TO BE MY TEST PRESSING OF MARTY'S ALBUM ART ATTACK, OR THE FRENCH 45 OF ALMOST WITH YOU, I LOVE THE COVER AND THE PAPER IT'S MADE FROM. KELLY From BROWNKB@ml.wpafb.af.mil Mon Dec 19 05:31 PST 1994 From: BROWNKB@ml.wpafb.af.mil Reply-To: BROWNKB@ml.wpafb.af.mil Subject: The Church Sorry, about typing in my previous post in all cap, being computer illiterate, I did'nt know any better. Live and Learn. Again, I did not mean to yell at anyone. Sorry Kelly From BROWNKB@ml.wpafb.af.mil Wed Dec 28 10:33 PST 1994 From: BROWNKB@ml.wpafb.af.mil Reply-To: BROWNKB@ml.wpafb.af.mil Subject: The Church I just wanted to wish everyone a happy new year, and I'll look forward to hearing from all everyone. I hope your Blurred Crusade has been as good as mine. Kelly From BROWNKB@ml.wpafb.af.mil Mon Jan 23 10:43 PST 1995 From: BROWNKB@ml.wpafb.af.mil Reply-To: BROWNKB@ml.wpafb.af.mil Subject: GAF my 2 cents worth: why i think gold afternoon fix is a great album: 1. excellent cover (great pictures of the band) almost like ansel adams photography 2. it was the last album i believe they toured the states with (electric band) 3. a lot of the song's on the album put out acousticly as B-sides (interesting). could this have inspired the acoustic tours? 4. metroplis was somewhat of a college hit on college radio stations which gave the chuch more exposure which helped to broaden there audienced. 5. finally, i love to listen to disapointment on a rainy afternoon. steves voice is great. the album recording is excellent oh well, i love every album, every song, everything they do. kelly b. From BROWNKB@ml.wpafb.af.mil Tue Jan 24 09:56 PST 1995 From: BROWNKB@ml.wpafb.af.mil Reply-To: BROWNKB@ml.wpafb.af.mil Subject: Worst Song i agree with matt, i can't find a song that is terrible. i love them all. also, i have a extra promo cd single of business woman/w another song off s/a which i can't think of right now, daaaaaa for trade for a taped copy of any live church shows. if your interested e-mail personally. kelly From BROWNKB@ml.wpafb.af.mil Thu Jan 26 09:21 PST 1995 From: BROWNKB@ml.wpafb.af.mil Reply-To: BROWNKB@ml.wpafb.af.mil Subject: Radio Show I just got a copy of a live radio show that the Church did in (I believe June 94) in California. The following is the Track Listing. The Show is at a Radio Station with just Marty and Steve. Not very much dialog, because when the station manager ask them if they would like to say anything. Steve repley we'll let the music do the talking. Does anyone know what the first song is: TRACK LISTING > 1 - (I don't know, it's not on any of there albums that I know of) > > 2. Hotel Womb > 3. Shadow Cabinet > 4. Providence > 5. Will I Start to Bleed > 6. My Little Problem > 7. 10,000 Miles Away > 8. Tristesse > 9. Under the Milky Way > Thanks Kelly From BROWNKB@ml.wpafb.af.mil Mon Feb 13 04:47 PST 1995 From: BROWNKB@ml.wpafb.af.mil Reply-To: BROWNKB@ml.wpafb.af.mil Subject: Desert Island here we go (no particular order): church - priest = aura cure - show marty wilson piper - spirt level james - laid grant lee buffolo - mighty joe later folks kelly brown From Beebster@aol.com Sun Dec 4 15:28 PST 1994 From: Beebster@aol.com Subject: Re:recent videos >There's also at least one video from a Churchite solo... "She's King", by MWP There is also a MWP video for "Questions Without Answers". (Hex has a video for "Etherial Message" also, but I guess it doesn't count 'cause Steve's not in the vid.) - Cath From Beebster@aol.com Fri Dec 16 14:37 PST 1994 From: Beebster@aol.com Subject: Re: The Church >PETER KOPPES SOLD OUT TO CORPORATE SPONSORSHIP. I WAS IN A GUITAR >SHOP >YESTERDAY, AND SAW A POSTER OF ALL THE PEOPLE WHO INDORSE >TAYLOR GUITARS >AND HE WAS ONE OF THEM. Marty's been endorsing Rickenbacker guitars for ages. From Beebster@aol.com Fri Dec 16 20:44 PST 1994 From: Beebster@aol.com Subject: re: just wondering Jan. 27 Ventura Theatre (Cap. 850) Ventura, CA (805)648-1888 Jan. 30 Great American Music Hall (Cap. 475) San Francisco, CA (415) 885-0750 >wondering why there are only 3 known dates (to my knowledge) here in the LA Here are a few more tour dates that a friend got from Godsend Entertainment: Feb. 1 The Edge (Cap. 500) Palo Alto, CA (415)324-8445 Feb. 2 The Strand (Cap. 500) Redondo Beach, CA (310) 316-1700 Feb. 3 House of Blues (Cap. 750) Hollywood, CA (213) 848-2400 Feb. 4 Coach House (Cap. 480) San Juan Capistrano, CA (714) 496-8930 Feb. 5 Coach House (Cap. 480) San Juan Capistrano, CA (714) 496-8930 Feb. 6 Coach House (Cap. 450) San Diego, CA (619) 496-8930 From Beebster@aol.com Sat Dec 17 08:53 PST 1994 From: Beebster@aol.com Subject: Re: collectables OK, I guess I've decided its my turn to brag. I'm one of those has-to-have-it-all-no- matter-what bigtime collectors. Haven't seen much come across folks' rarities lists the last day or so that I don't already own......EXCEPT for the Jokes Magic & Souveniers vinyl version. Morten, I'm afraid you got me on that one. : ( However: >I also treasure the 2 copies I have of Sing-Songs Hee hee.....I've got THREE. One from every country of release. (Aus, NZ, UK). There is, of course, no difference at all in the issues except for label and catalog number. I just had to have them all. AND, I also am the very proud owner of Peter's shirt from the Heyday album cover, courtesy of my pals at Vicious Sloth. (And a WHOLE lot of money) Ok, I'm done now....back to my old modest self.... - Cath From Beebster@aol.com Sat Dec 17 12:38 PST 1994 From: Beebster@aol.com Subject: Re: Church rareties >Were any other Seance subscribers there? I was there....I make the pilgramage from Chicago to Valley Forge every year for that huge record show. More than worth the trip every time. If you're into that kind of thing, I suggest taking a voyage down to Austin, Texas for the huge record show there every spring & fall. Its just as big (if not bigger) than the VF show, and usually attracts more foreign dealers. Au GoGo from Australia often show up at the Spring show.....last year I picked up a copy of Sing Songs there for $30!!!!!!! - Cath From Beebster@aol.com Mon Dec 19 08:37 PST 1994 From: Beebster@aol.com Subject: Re: Church on MTV >I realise this is probably ancient history to most of you, but as I'm new to all >this, and I din't even know The church had been on MTV, does anyone have a UK >standard video of th event ? preferably on Beta HiFi, but VHS is okay too - I'll >galdy swap a blank tape or send money to anyone who can help. If you can't find anybody to trade with, Dave Jones has a really good copy available for sale. He has two Church tapes, both filled with hard-to-find stuff, and he has them in all country's formats. For his latest rare video list, just send an IRC to: Dave Jones PO Box 9364 Wyoming MI 49509 Hope this helps!! - Cath From Beebster@aol.com Mon Dec 19 08:44 PST 1994 From: Beebster@aol.com Subject: Re: Church rareties >I've seen this alluded to before, is Sing Songs worth something? Sing Songs is kinda like the Holy Grail of Church collectables. Like many collectibles, its value lies more in its rarity than its actual musical merits. Its a "must-have" for most of us because it contains tracks unavailable anywhere else. The going rate for Sing Songs (at least here in the US) seems to be around $50 these days....IF you're lucky enough to come across one. - Cath From Beebster@aol.com Mon Dec 19 13:59 PST 1994 From: Beebster@aol.com Subject: Re: Peter's guitars > Since when does Peter play Taylor guitars ? He's always been a Fender man ! > Telecaster and Stratocaster, my memory tells me. > > Brian > >Taylor makes *acoustic* guitars. Peter used a Taylor acoustic in the >"Metropolis" vid and on the MTV "Unplugged" appearance. Never seen PK >play anything but a Fender electric, though -- tres perceptive, Brian. >christopher That was definitely a Gibson Peter was playing in the Ripple video. : ) - Cath From Beebster@aol.com Wed Dec 21 20:39 PST 1994 From: Beebster@aol.com Subject: Re: Here's one that's not on the > (2) At a recent Milwaukee record show, my brother finally received the >concert tape of the Church's appearance at Headliner's in Madison, WI >(sometime around 1985). I noticed that it wasn't on the discog. Is that just >because no one here has heard about it before, or is there some other >reason? If it really is the former, I'll let you know more about that show >once I get it from my brother after Xmas. I do have a tape of that Headliner's show (circa Heyday-era), and its a REALLY good one. Probably my favorite bootleg. Come to think of it, I think I picked mine up at a record show in Milwaukee last year...probably from the very same dealer. - Cath From Beebster@aol.com Wed Dec 28 15:43 PST 1994 From: Beebster@aol.com Subject: re:treasures >One other thing I'll mention because I haven't seen anything else about it is the >"Collection Box" set, which is a specially packaged promo set for GAF, a box set >with GAF cd and casette, and "Megalopolis" CD5. It's nothing essential, but nice >nonetheless. The Collection Box is a pretty cool package, and there are at least two different versions. The U.S. and Australian versions differ slightly in look and content. (If memory serves, the Australian version doesn't contain the casette, box is somewhat smaller and the photos slightly larger)....the US version is the nicer of the two. I heard a rumor somewhere that there was also a UK version with a WATCH enclosed, though nobody I know has ever been able to confirm or deny this. Anybody know??????? - Cath From Beebster@aol.com Thu Dec 29 04:45 PST 1994 From: Beebster@aol.com Subject: Re: mtv unplugged >1.) When it was >2.) Who it was that did a song with Marty (Julian Cope?) >3.) Does ANYONE have a copy they'd be willig to copy for me or sell to me or anything PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE. : ) 1) 1990 2) Jules Shear 3) Video dealer Dave Jones has a very good, clean copy available on one of his Church videos. He has two Church vids altogether, chock full of all kindsa cool and/or rare stuff. For his latest video list send one stamp (US) or an IRC (everybody else) to: Dave Jones PO Box 9364 Wyoming MI 49509 USA Hope this helps!! - Cath From Beebster@aol.com Thu Dec 29 11:49 PST 1994 From: Beebster@aol.com Subject: Re:Grand Rapids CD >There's also Grand Rapids Compact Disc, which I don't have the address of >offhand. They carry quite a bit of imported CDs and such. Their address is: Grand Rapids CD 67 54th St Wyoming MI 49548 Phone (616) 531-1707 Fax: (616) 616-531-1778 Both Dave Jones (who I mentioned in an earlier post) and Scott at Grand Rapids CD have been helping me enormously with my collections for years. While I'm on the subject, I suppose I should also mention Greg Biggs at CVC Collectables in Ohio, as he's not only a great record dealer but also a huge Church fan himself! You can reach him at: CVC Collectables PO Box 507 Celina OH 45822 phone (419) 586-6636 fax (419) 586-6763 - Cath :D From Beebster@aol.com Fri Dec 30 19:12 PST 1994 From: Beebster@aol.com Subject: Re: just wondering >is there a church toour in the us in the works? >i would like info on east coast dates if they exist. >thanks I do know that there are about 10 shows scheduled on the US West coast in Jan/Feb '95, and heard there is the possiblity of some east coast dates in April. I've heard of no definite dates yet. - Cath From Beebster@aol.com Sun Jan 1 21:12 PST 1995 From: Beebster@aol.com Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Subject: Re: just wondering >Are there any scheduled for the northwest, or are they all down in Cali? >Thanks, >Mike Looks like they're all in CA so far, unless they've added more since an Arista rep on AOL gave us the list back in early Dec. The CA cities given were: Ventura, San Francisco, Palo Alto, Redondo Beach, Hollywood, San Juan Capistrano and San Diego. There was also the notation that some possible east coast dates may be added for April. Haven't heard anything since then. : ( I live in Chicago and have made arrangements to go out to see a few of the left coast shows.....its a great time to take advantage of the air fare wars!! - Cath :D From Beebster@aol.com Wed Jan 11 05:58 PST 1995 From: Beebster@aol.com Subject: Re: Traveling Tunes >Overall, Starfish and Heyday make the best tapes to listen to if you have a long >drive ahead! I agree....I've always considered Starfish to be the ultimate road trip album, because so many of the songs have a travel them to them: Destination, NSE&W, Hotel Womb..... heck, even Lost. ; ) - Cath From Beebster@aol.com Mon Jan 23 12:49 PST 1995 From: Beebster@aol.com Subject: re: worst song >OK, I'll take the bait. I think the Church's worst song ever is >"Forgotten Reign" from Quick Smoke. I'm not a big fan of Peter's vocals >and most of my least favorite songs are the ones that he wrote/sang, >with the exception of "A New Season", which I think is one of the best >songs from "Starfish". "Forgotten Reign" just seems to plod along with >this off-key voice, which occasionally swells up and gets louder as if he >was in pain or something (geez, why don't I just twist the knife a bit >more). Anyway, I've always wondered how much of a difference it would >have made if Steve did the vocals on some of those tracks...... >-paul Being a huge fan of Peter's, I feel I have to stick up for him in regards to this post. However, I have to admit that the vocals on this particular track indeed ARE rather awful. Actually, I always wondered what the story was on this track, as the credits do not list it as a Koppes-penned song, however did Peter end up singing it?? And thank you, Paul, for the nod towards A New Season. I think that song proves what can be done with Peter's voice given the correct recording techniques. Granted, Peter's voice has none of the compelling delivery style as Steve's, nor the confident smoothness of Marty's, I think his voice always contained an undercurrent of raw emotion which is often lacking in the other two. Oh, and as long as I'm here, I hereby cast my vote for Maybe These Boys as worst song. P.U. ; ) - Cath :D From Beebster@aol.com Sat Feb 11 10:34 PST 1995 From: Beebster@aol.com Subject: Re: Bel-Air & couplets >Thanks for the Bel-Air chords, Kirk: Though not quite my favourite song by >the Church, it contains (for me, anyway) their most memorable couplet: >"And somewhere far away there's another day, and someone's getting out of >bed. >She puts on her face in the morning space. She doesn't know she's dead..." The first time I heard that line, I could have SWORN Robyn Hitchcock had written it. Knowing that you are a fan of Robyn's as well, James, I wondered if you had ever made the connection as well. >Hmmn. Now there's a possible thread (oh god no... more mail!). What are all >of you lot's favourite lines/couplets by the Church??? My personal favorite is: Follow her down to worship some god Who never speaks to me, I wonder if that's odd - Cath :D From Beebster@aol.com Sat Feb 11 10:38 PST 1995 From: Beebster@aol.com Subject: Re:Desert Island Discs Hey, I might as well indulge too...... : -The Church: Heyday/P=A -XTC: Oranges & Lemons/Nonsuch -The Verlaines: Ready to Fly (BOY, was I freaked out that somebody else put this one on their list!) -Robyn Hitchcock: Eye/I Often Dream of Trains -Justin Hayward: Classic Blue (ok, so a little guilty pleasure never hurt anybody, eh? ) -Crystal Set: Umbrella -Not Drowning Waving: Circus - Cath :D From Beebster@aol.com Sat Feb 11 12:32 PST 1995 From: Beebster@aol.com Subject: Re:Tristesse >Knowing a bit of French, I recollect "Tristesse" means "Sadness" in that >language. Yes, the word tristesse does mean sadness in French. I've always thought the song was a beautiful interpretation of depression: "All my life spent searching for prowess/Left me lying here with you, Tristesse", especially the fact that the word is used as a woman's name, a mistress, if you will.....as if sadness/depression is an INDULGANCE, as in feeling sorry for oneself. btw, at the Sunday (2/5) show in San Juan Capistrano, Steve did preface the song by a bit of muttering in French, though I couldn't quite catch what he was actually saying. (He then procedeed to begin the song in country-western style complete with hick accent. That was rather amusing....... ; ) - Cath :D From Beebster@aol.com Wed Feb 15 00:53 PST 1995 From: Beebster@aol.com Subject: Re:DID/SA >Church - Seance, Sometime Anywhere (haven't seen this one much, are >people dissappointed?) um....yeah, me for one. Don't get me wrong, I don't hate it or anything, but I find myself REALLY missing Peter's guitar on this thing. For me, one of the most appealing things about The Church has always been the duel guitar thing.....those two totally different styles that somehow fit together so perfectly. However, I must admit that I did sort of pre-judge SA before I'd even heard it, based on the fact that I knew it was going to be a Peter-less record, and happily, I found myself liking it much better than I'd expected. I find some truly brilliant moments on it, though I personally don't feel the whole thing gels together as an ALBUM as well as it might have. - Cath From Beebster@aol.com Thu Feb 16 20:17 PST 1995 From: Beebster@aol.com Subject: Re: Almost With You video >BTW, the sequence during the solo where they show the knight running >always cracks me up -- it's so klutzy, but so early-80's adorable ... you >can tell how hard they're trying. That's always cracked me up too....I keep expecting the knight to bop someone over the head with a rubber chicken, like in the old Monty Python bit. On the same subject, I have a friend who is somewhat of a medieval knight expert, and she says that not only are the various parts of the suit of armor from different centuries and therefore don't "match", but the knight is actually wearing it wrong! The bit in front is NOT supposed to flap forwards when he kneels down...there's supposed to be a strap or something to keep it in place. Oh, and while I'm being picky and petty, I can also point out that the stained glass windows in the church are almost certainly from the Victorian neo-gothic period and most defintely NOT medieval. Not that anybody actually cares or anything.... I guess I've been watching too much of the OJ trial lately and have gotten on an argument kick.... ; ) - Cath :D From Beebster@aol.com Thu Feb 16 20:27 PST 1995 From: Beebster@aol.com Subject: re: GAF cover > Did anyone else notice that on the GAF cover, each of the boys is in > their respective picture twice? If you didn't, look real carefully > (collect all four!). One of the GAF CD singles (I believe its Russian Autumn Hearts) contains close-up photos of all the "small" pictures on the album cover. All except Marty's. There is a photo of Marty, but for some reason, its not the one in the flower shop window. - Cath From Beebster@aol.com Thu Mar 2 04:53 PST 1995 From: Beebster@aol.com Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Subject: Re: MTV Unplugged >Does anyone out there have either video or audio of the lads performing on >MTV Unplugged? You can order a very good video (actually, there are two very good ones) from Dave Jones, which does include a quite good (2nd or 3rd generation, I think) copy of almost the entire MTV Unplugged appearance. (Only the first few seconds of Milkly Way are missing.) For a copy of Dave's video list, just send 2 stamps (US) or two IRCs (everybody else) to: Dave Jones PO Box 9364 Wyoming MI 49509-0364 USA I know I've posted this info to the list before, and I apologize for the repeat. Its just that this video is SO special, I personally feel it is must for every Church fan's collection. This is just a little re-run for all the list newcomers. : ) - Cath (and no, I do not work for Mr. Jones. ; ) From Beebster@aol.com Fri Mar 3 20:48 PST 1995 From: Beebster@aol.com Subject: Re: Church interview LP >Hmmmmm *thinking* I know I have one or two interview cassettes that people >have given me copies of.... is that one Sum of the Parts, or another one? >It's all a bit hazy, but I remember one where they all talked about teh >solo work, and Steve was talking about Earthed and talking about his past >life in Carthage or some such...if that's the same one, it's worth it IMO. Its "the other one". Its called Three Church Members Found. - Cath :D From splitred@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca Sun Feb 5 13:01 PST 1995 From: Big Earl Sellar subscribe (note address change - gotta save money) From brenta@microsoft.com Thu Dec 8 16:51 PST 1994 X-Msmail-Message-Id: BBCE5475 X-Msmail-Conversation-Id: BBCE5475 X-Msmail-Wiseremark: These pretzels are making me thirsty From: Brent Aliverti Subject: Go-Betweens address Thought I would take this opportunity to mention that there is a Go-Betweens list...sort of. It's not automated, though. If you would like to be on it, send e-mail to Jonathan Turner at jturner@rpms.ac.uk. Former Go-Between Grant McLennan (1/2 Jack Frost) recently released his double CD "Horsebreaker Star". I have it on order, so I can't review it as yet. The CD will be trimmed down to a single disk for US release in early 95. There is also some news that recent acoustic set featuring McLennan and Forster doing Go-Betweens songs may be released on CD. Now back to Church discussions, already in progress :) From brenta@microsoft.com Tue Jan 10 08:33 PST 1995 X-Msmail-Message-Id: D49ECB86 X-Msmail-Conversation-Id: D49ECB86 X-Msmail-Wiseremark: These pretzels are making me thirsty From: Brent Aliverti Subject: RE: Monday Morning Yep...MS employs folks called "cue jockeys" to spin tunes and give updates while you wait. Two of these folks are current or former DJ's on local Seattle alternative/modern rock stations. ---------- From: Gary Assa Subject: Monday Morning Today, I was on hold for Microsolf Access help, and the song on hold was Monday Morning. Schwing! Microsoft has their own DJ, and they announced the Church, and there it was. I wonder if it was a coincidence that it was on Monday morning. --------------------------------------------------- 1. Earth is 98% full. Please delete anyone you can. 2. I came, I saw, I deleted all your files. 3. The world will end in 5 minutes. Please log out. From brenta@microsoft.com Tue Jan 10 09:01 PST 1995 X-Msmail-Message-Id: 75FFFE58 X-Msmail-Parent-Message-Id: D49ECB86 X-Msmail-Conversation-Id: D49ECB86 X-Msmail-Wiseremark: These pretzels are making me thirsty From: Brent Aliverti Subject: RE: Monday Morning must be too early...I meant to say "queue jockeys" not "cue jockeys"...duh ---------- From: Brent Aliverti Subject: RE: Monday Morning Yep...MS employs folks called "cue jockeys" to spin tunes and give updates while you wait. Two of these folks are current or former DJ's on local Seattle alternative/modern rock stations. ---------- From: Gary Assa Subject: Monday Morning Today, I was on hold for Microsolf Access help, and the song on hold was Monday Morning. Schwing! Microsoft has their own DJ, and they announced the Church, and there it was. I wonder if it was a coincidence that it was on Monday morning. --------------------------------------------------- 1. Earth is 98% full. Please delete anyone you can. 2. I came, I saw, I deleted all your files. 3. The world will end in 5 minutes. Please log out. From brett@bio.usyd.edu.au Tue Feb 7 13:38 PST 1995 From: Brett Dicks Hi, Came across this here address and am wondering what it is? Cheers, Brett. From brett@bio.usyd.edu.au Wed Feb 8 15:03 PST 1995 From: Brett Dicks Subject: Just a hello Hi folks, I have recently enlisted for service and just wanted to say hello to one and all. I have been following the fortunes of The Church for some time now, I first saw them in Sydney many years ago when they were still Marty-less. What a fine group they are, arguably the finest from these shores. Anyway I shall disappear again for now but look forward to talking Church with you all. Thanks and bye. Cheers, Brett. From readdy@eden.rutgers.edu Mon Feb 27 11:32 PST 1995 From: Christine Readdy Subject: Greetings... Hi! My name is Christine, and this is my token note as to what I do, what Church material I like, etc. etc... At present, I am in my third year at Rutgers University, majoring in Biology, and minoring in Art History (the former for a job, the latter for enjoyment). Where I first found the Church? Well, back in '86 or '87 there was a UHF channel, "U-68" (out of Newark, NJ, which is now the Home Shopping Network - shame... ), which was basically MTV for kids whose parents refused to get cable television. Anyhow... the program manager for this station was into some pretty "obscure" stuff (okay, "obscure" for me - I was 12 at the time), bands including the Thought, Echo/Bunnymen, and, yes, the Church. They played "Tantalized" about 4 times a day, so I broke down and bought HEYDAY - been a fan ever since. Favorite album? HEYDAY (those first impressions certainly last a long time). Favorite song? Well, it's a split between "Fly" and "You Took" - let me think that one over a bit more. I am always interested in finding out what others listen to - it's the best way to find new bands and avoid disappointments - well, at least for me. I don't listen to the Church exclusively (I'm sure most people don't); other bands I like are For Against, a lot of stuff off of 4AD (no Pixies here) and Creation, and last, but certainly not least, the Chameleons. Any suggestions? I'm usually not this chatty, so I'll sit back here and enjoy what everyone has to say. C-ya! -Christine From readdy@eden.rutgers.edu Tue Feb 28 11:56 PST 1995 From: Christine Readdy Subject: Hi! Hi! My name is Christine, and this is my token note as to what I do, what Church material I like, etc. etc... At present, I am in my third year at Rutgers University, majoring in Biology, and minoring in Art History (the former for a job, the latter for enjoyment). Where I first found the Church? Well, back in '86 or '87 there was a UHF channel, "U-68" (out of Newark, NJ, which is now the Home Shopping Network - shame... ), which was basically MTV for kids whose parents refused to get cable television. Anyhow... the program manager for this station was into some pretty "obscure" stuff (okay, "obscure" for me - I was 12 at the time), bands including the Thought, Echo/Bunnymen, and, yes, the Church. They played "Tantalized" about 4 times a day, so I broke down and bought HEYDAY - been a fan ever since. Favorite album? HEYDAY (those first impressions certainly last a long time). Favorite song? Well, it's a split between "Fly" and "You Took" - let me think that one over a bit more. I am always interested in finding out what others listen to - it's the best way to find new bands and avoid disappointments - well, at least for me. I don't listen to the Church exclusively (I'm sure most people don't); other bands I like are For Against, a lot of stuff off of 4AD (no Pixies here) and Creation, and last, but certainly not least, the Chameleons. Any suggestions? I'm usually not this chatty, so I'll sit back here and enjoy what everyone has to say. C-ya! -Christine From cwjenkin@email.unc.edu Wed Feb 8 12:49 PST 1995 From: Christopher W Jenkins Subject: Subscribe Ready for worship. Please subscribe me to this list. From cwinters@husc.harvard.edu Thu Dec 1 17:17 PST 1994 From: Cynthia Winters Subject: ploog vs. j.d. "Per" seems to be of the opinion that it is stupid to rate the quality of a song or artist on technical merit. While I'll be the first one to admit a technically proficient musician does not an artist make, IMO J.D.'s more technically proficient drumming also adds a great deal more artistry to the music of The Church. Any guess whose drumming I prefer? By the by, one of things I love about this list group is that in general people can express a variety of differing opinions w/o having to worry about being called "stupid." I'd like to see it remain that way. Cynthia From cwinters@husc.harvard.edu Fri Dec 9 19:33 PST 1994 From: Cynthia Winters Subject: picks,J.Frost,Hex Jason got these weeks ago, but to add to the developing trend: Best Album: P=A Top 3 songs: It's No Reason Month of Sundays Ripple Best effort outside of the band: Jack Frost (oh where oh where can no.2 be?) O.K. it IS pre-pubescent, but I want the title of biggest JF fan. By the way, there was a vid for "Thought that I..." if that counts as a Church related vid (Steve was in it with Grant) post-GAF. What's this about Hex in concert in LA? THE Hex with S.K.???? Count me in as another lover of Ms. Thayer's ethereal (pardon the pun) voice. I though she and SK put it to the test best on Fire Island. Cynthia From cwinters@husc.harvard.edu Fri Dec 16 19:57 PST 1994 From: Cynthia Winters Subject: russian autumn heart is it the cd5 you're talking about Mick? There are plenty to be had in the Boston area (used) and I would doubt it's rarity as all songs, except RAH, are on Quick Smoke..., which is IMO by far the better musical bang for your buck. Didn't realize Narcosis was considered so rare, time to consider that safety deposit box... And what's this about a P=A tour? I thought a follow-up tour never happened for P=A, at least not in the states. I'd like to hear more, for instance which band members showed (was JD on drums?) and which songs were performed. oh, and I like Kelly's messages in all caps, kinda like the pope or the computer in 2001 (credit to Woody Allen). Cynthia From cwinters@husc.harvard.edu Sun Dec 18 14:00 PST 1994 From: Cynthia Winters Subject: Koppes on Ripple vid Pete was the figure on the left, sporting a haircut shorter (barely touching the collar) than I had seen at any other time in his career. Shirt is some white and blue swirling print. Compared to Steve (classic deadpan mode), I thought he was positively active! From cwinters@husc.harvard.edu Sun Dec 18 19:48 PST 1994 From: Cynthia Winters Subject: ripple vid to answer J.B. O'Sullivan and mrg., I'm watching the vid at this moment to determine its length. Memory tells me its the lp version as my original response to it was that it was so long (for a vid). That was actually my secondary response, as my first was what a GREAT song it was, what a great video it was and how great it was to see the guys still together after all these years and making such incredible music (I hadn't seen their faces since the Starfish vid and wasn't exactly ecstatic over GAF). Steve is wearing a purple satin shirt, with cuffs unbuttoned, Peter's hair is actually shorter than I remember (ear-length) and he's wearing a dark blue shirt with white lines on it, Marty's got a short black double-breasted jacket on with a red shirt on underneath, JD's wearing a white shirt, rolled at the cuffs and a snazzy silver vest (is this a review for House of Style?). They're all moving a bit more than I remember, but Marty's the one who's really cutting loose. Steve carries a look of disgust throughout, perfect for the song. Nothing in the video hints to me of Peter's later departure. What an incredible song. What's hardest for me to believe is that I had the persistence back in 1992 to doggedly follow MTV's 120 minutes waiting for a Church P=A video and the wherewithall that morning at 1:30 a.m. to push record. Oh, and it appears that memory serves us all incorrectly, the video runs a bit over 4 minutes. Cynthia P.S. A piece of an earlier interview with SK, PK, and MWP precedes the video in which MWP and PK debate the validity of videos, rather disparaging comment by MWP about musicians "dressed up in raincoats, looking like spies." Doesn't he remember Steve in Electric Lash? From cwinters@husc.harvard.edu Thu Jan 12 15:43 PST 1995 From: Cynthia Winters Subject: mystery the beauty of all art (lyrics included) for me, lies in what cannot be explained. There is so little left in this world that cannot be rationally dissected, that I find SK's lyrics a refuge because they afford so many different meanings including none at all. I believe he has stated over and over again in interviews that he is not keen on publishing lyrics for this very reason: they can extinguish someone else's interpretation/fantasy. Cynthia From cwinters@husc.harvard.edu Sat Jan 14 20:00 PST 1995 From: Cynthia Winters Subject: revolver, east coast my memory serves to suppport Morten's comment that Revolver was not looked over in its day because of the "hoopla" regarding Sgt. Pepper. I think the "hoopla" over Sgt. Pepper has done more to elevate its position amongst Beatles' albums now than it did at the time. It certainly didn't overshadow other Beatles' albums for me. But then, I'm a big fan of Abbey Road. I've got my fingers crossed that this discussion group will yield some east coast tour dates for "Steve and Marty" (weren't they in a band once called The Church? :)) In the meantime, keep us posted you lucky people on the west coast! Cynthia From FURSTD@BoysTown.ORG Thu Dec 8 14:03 PST 1994 From: DAVID FURST Morten How 'bout laying that Loud Family list address/how to sub on me? S. Miller/Game Theory/Loud Family is generally #2 on my list following the Church et al. Also, Donnette - another vote for THE ANGELIC VOICE!!! Dave From FURSTD@BoysTown.ORG Wed Dec 21 13:50 PST 1994 From: DAVID FURST Subject: unsubscribe Please unsubscribe - on vacation over the holidays & can't have the mail stack up. Will return in the new year. BTW - Dear Santa, please make Mr. Kilbey (or the label) release Jack Frost #2 for x-mas. From FURSTD@BoysTown.ORG Wed Jan 4 09:25 PST 1995 From: DAVID FURST Subject: subscribe please subscribe. thanks, Dave From FURSTD@BoysTown.ORG Mon Feb 13 12:53 PST 1995 From: DAVID FURST Subject: DID DID picks: Richard Thompson Daring Adventures Robyn Hitchcock Fegmania Pink Floyd Wish You Were Hear Connells Ring, Boylan Heights Roy Harper Unknown Soldier Church just everything SKilbey Slow Crack Hex Vast Halos Bruce Cockburn Stealing Fire REM Murmer Ten's the limit I guess...oh well, so much music, so little time and $$$'s Hey Thomas Irvin!! I'm up the road from you in Omaha, NE. Were you at the '88 Starfish Tour show at Peony Park??? Incredible show and a perfect venue! Was that the band playing frisbee out front near the tour bus? I'm thinking it was. Dave From FURSTD@BoysTown.ORG Mon Feb 13 13:02 PST 1995 From: DAVID FURST Subject: statues of Sharon Stone I hear the reference to Sharon Stone in "The Time Being" as well - what a riot! Has anyone done up lyrics to Somewhere Else yet? Tristesse is also the title of a Jack Kerouac novel. I think MWP'ers playing is technically more impressive and difficult than what a Clapton does. Intricate, classically based arpeggios - to do cleanly on 6 or 12 string is difficult. But yes, I agree that Richard Thompson is *very* good and unfortunately underrated and underknown, too. Dave From FURSTD@BoysTown.ORG Thu Feb 16 13:09 PST 1995 From: DAVID FURST Hey Thomas!! Yes, I play guitar and Yes, I would like to talk with you about putting a band together. I e-mailed to your personal address but got the dreaded failed mail message back - maybe it got there and maybe it didn't. If not, do contact me. Sorry folks, but business is business - you do what you gotta do. How rare is that No Such Thing disc? I picked one up here in Omaha about 2 years ago. It's *verrrry* nice. (gloat) Dave From FURSTD@BoysTown.ORG Wed Feb 22 16:46 PST 1995 From: DAVID FURST Subject: P=A T-shirt I vote for P=A for the t-shirt. How about that on one side and the address on the other (in some sort of cool-looking font) and then a couplet (or 2). The couplet(s) should reflect not only the band but also the essence/purpose of the list. Do we run a contest for the couplet? All this makes me think of a seance members conference/convention. We could have presentations and speakers and invite the band - make 'em play HHG. Or, we could just listen to music, party, and trash a hotel. Just imagine the holiday inn manager "Soooo...what denomination did you say you all were?" "Unmarked $20.00's." Heh heh. dave From Darrell.Parham@Eng Mon Dec 5 10:31 PST 1994 From: Darrell.Parham@Eng (Darrell Parham) Subject: a.m.a favorite church songs A few weeks ago there was a thread in alt.music.alternative on favorite church songs. I tried to monitor the responses that were posted and here are the results I saw. SONG Number of votes Almost With You 4 Antenna 3 Ripple 3 A Month Of Sundays 2 Constant In Opal 2 Electric Lash 2 Fly 2 Fly Home 2 Hotel Womb 2 Life Speeds Up 2 Myrrh 2 tear it all away 2 Texas Moon 2 tristesse 2 Amazing Grace. 1 As You Will 1 Aura 1 Bel-Air 1 Destination 1 a different man 1 Disenchanted 1 the disillusionist 1 Eastern 1 feel 1 Fields Of Mars 1 Grind 1 Hunter's Feast 1 It's No Reason 1 Kings 1 The Night Is Very Soft 1 Nightmare 1 Metropolis 1 No Explanation 1 north, south, east,west 1 Now I Wonder Why 1 one day 1 Reptile 1 Roman 1 Sisters 1 Take It Back 1 Tantalized 1 The Time Being 1 You Took 1 From Darrell.Parham@Eng Fri Feb 10 11:57 PST 1995 From: Darrell.Parham@Eng (Darrell Parham) Subject: Re:Desert Island Discs My desert island discs: Bevis Frond - New River Head Crystal Set (with Russell Kilbey) - Almost Pure Doves - Affinity Steve Kilbey - The Slow Crack Ed Kuepper - The Butterfly Net Plimsouls - Everywhere at Once Lou Reed - Between Thought & Expression (box set) Saints - All Fools Day Velvet Underground - 1969 From djbarnard@ucdavis.edu Wed Jan 11 15:45 PST 1995 From: David Barnard X-Sender: ez043457@dale Subject: SF Concert Date! I heard some rumors about an SF Concert Date in January. Can anybody confirm or deny this? If it is happening, please include any relevent info: where tix, where playing, date, and any other acts! Thanks, dave djbarnard@ucdavis.edu From djbarnard@ucdavis.edu Mon Jan 30 14:36 PST 1995 From: David Barnard X-Sender: ez043457@dale Subject: Sacramento Show = Great! Well, I've had a few days to get a clear head so I'm finally able to write about this show. Due to an extreme monetary downturn (my personal situation) I wasn't expecting to go to the Sac Show on 1/28 at the Press Club. But, luckily, my friend Jon (who introduced me to The Church back in beg. of '89) called me to tell me had an extra ticket. We went to downtown Sac which despite it's remote location (in comparison to LA and SF) is actually warrented in calling it a city. The Press Club turned out to be a little bar about 1000 sq feet total with mabye two dozen stools, just as many lights, and a stage raised about 5 inches of the ground. There wasn't a bad seat in the house. I have to say we were just a little excited about seen The Church in such a small, intimate setting. I have to say I've been a little jealous of the reports from Australia with the crowd dictating the play lists. As we stood around drinking a couple of $1 drafts, Kilbey wandered by in a sweater and purple shirt. He was clean shaven and looked a little wary. One of the guys I was with went up to him and said, Hey. He just turned his head a little and said, "Hi." I couldn't think of anything in the world to say. I was in awe. Later, Willson-Piper was hanging out talking to people at the bar, drinking some down, and signing autographs. They ushered everyone outside to take tickets and clean house, I guess. That was good because it gave a lot of people a chance to meet each other. There was a fanatic (affectionally called such) with all of the liner notes for every cd and cd-single I've ever seen. He'd driven up from So Cal where he'd seen the Friday show, and was going to go to both SF and Palo Alto. 4 shows in one week -- what a treat! He had autographs and ideas and all sorts of personal stories about his love of the band. Once inside, we crowded around the front right speakers and stood five feet from Marty and 12 feet from Kilbey. There were two high school type bands who played from 9 to 12: Situation 5 and Holdiay Flyer. I bought the tape of the first from the guitarist for $1 b/c I liked the way he played. I wonder if they even knew who they were opening up for. I was hoping for a Church cover but nobody dared. At 12:15am, Steve and Marty came out on the stage. The first song I couldn't name and I swear it was the one they opened at KFOG's show with last June. Here's a brief rundown of the songs I remember (in no particular order): Mistress, Constant in Opal, 10,000 Miles, A Month Sundays, Shadow Cabinet, The Night Is Very Soft, The View, Tristesse, Grind, Don't Look Back, Almost With You, Will I Start To Bleed, Providence, My Little Problem, Under The Milky Way, Hotel Womb, Reptile, and possibly more that I've blanked out. Nothing from Seance, I wonder why... it's one of my favorite albums... The show was all accoustic again. Just Steve and Marty strumming, picking, and making those guitars sing. They played for a total of 90 minutes of music with a few interuptions. Marty kept whispering in between songs: "Shh! Calm down." When someone yelled out Reptile, Marty replied, "Patience is a virtue." Steve continued, "If it doesn't hurt you." There were some other little snipets of speech that filled up the little time between songs. Steve gave a playlist to a fan so he didn't have to read it, but the fan couldn't read it, so he did make fun of him a bit. They did do an encore after three or four minutes of clapping. Live music performances are amazing to see just to witness how band members deal with the audience during the show. Marty was definitely more crowd-loving. He even bummed a smoke from the woman in front of me, and a bottle opener for his Sam Adam's. He looked around while he played and made that 12 string talk. I've always thought I could tell the difference between an electric an accoustic guitar... with Marty's playing and the peddles and maybe the beer, I couldn't tell. I've never seen a hummingbird hand attack a guitar like that! Steve was much less friendly with the crowd. His eyes altnerated between staring at the back of the room, looking at his fingering!, or just closed. Except at one point, he stared at Marty in amazement. My impression is that they were definitely having a lot more fun than the last time they were in Sac (6/94). They talked to and laughed with each other while they were jamming several times. The number of songs (and variety!) was stunning... I hope everyone can experience The Church in this way. Definitely worthy of devotion. Hope the SF show is as good tonight... wish I could be there again. Dave djbarnard@ucdavis.edu From djbarnard@ucdavis.edu Sun Feb 19 20:44 PST 1995 From: David Barnard X-Sender: ez043457@chip Subject: Re: "esoteric arts" On Sun, 19 Feb 1995 ThomasIrv@aol.com wrote: > For what it's worth, Steve Kilbey writes in the liner notes to Hindsight that > the title of "The Golden Dawn" comes from a magical society (or is it > magickal?) and that was Richard's idea for a title. The society in question, > I believe, was founded by or included the infamous Alastair Crowly. This wouldn't be NECRONOMRICAN would it? djbarnard@ucdavis.edu From drrake@leland.Stanford.EDU Wed Jan 18 12:40 PST 1995 From: David Raymond Rake Subject: Hello! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, my name is Dave Rake. I've been trying to find a 'net group for the Church for some time now. The Church is a fantastic, yet woefully underappreciated band that I couldn't believe didn't at least have a token following. Needless to say, I was pretty happy when I stumbled upon this group a few days ago. I've been a Church fan for about six or seven years, I think. Although I first heard them back in '84 or '85 ("Constant in Opal" and "Tantalized" on the radio), I didn't really start getting into them until I saw them in concert in 1988. Incredible show; I was hooked. As for my favorite song and album, I really don't think I could pick out anything in particular, but I'd have to say that "Russian Autumn Heart", "Hotel Womb", "Tantalized", or "Almost With You" would be near the top of my list for fave song. I'd probably give the nod to Starfish or maybe Heyday as my most-liked album. The new one is really good, too! Well, I look forward to hearing from y'all in the future. Take care. Dave drrake@leland.stanford.edu From drrake@leland.Stanford.EDU Mon Jan 23 15:45 PST 1995 From: David Raymond Rake Subject: worst song(s) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Holy cow! Hearing so people dredge up their most disliked Church songs is just too tempting for me; I've gotta put in my two cent's worth: 1. You're Still Beautiful-- It seems like the band decided (or was coerced by some A&R weenie) to write "that big hit song for our commercial smash follow-up to 'Starfish'". Very lame. 2. The Disillusionist-- I hate this song simply for its unbearably heavy-handed chorus. 3. Don't Open the Door to Strangers-- Really mushy and formulaic. The scary thing about this song is that I could honestly see a group like Warrant doing a power ballad remake of it. BTW...I'm glad someone finally mentioned "Essence" as being one of the better songs on GAF. Killer tune. Speaking of great songs on albums, the recent commotion over TBT made dust off Seance and give it a listen. I had totally forgotten about "Dropping Names". What a cool song! It has a sense of subtle danger and tension very much in the spirit of TBT. Take Care Y'all Dave Rake drrake@leland.stanford.edu From drrake@leland.Stanford.EDU Fri Feb 10 11:43 PST 1995 From: David Raymond Rake Subject: Re:Desert Island Discs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just had to indulge in this one: (In no particular order of preference) The Church: "Hindsight" and "Starfish" The Replacements: "Let it Be", "Tim", and "Pleased to Meet Me" (The Holy Trinity of 'Mats albums) American Music Club: "Everclear" O Positive: "Only Breathing/Cloud Factory" EP/LP combo Buffalo Tom: "Big Red Letter Day" REM: "Fables of the Reconstruction" I'm sure there's probably others, but this is my quick 'n' dirty list. Take care y'all Dave Rake drrake@leland.stanford.edu From drrake@leland.Stanford.EDU Sun Feb 12 21:10 PST 1995 From: David Raymond Rake Subject: Lyrics? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was just listening to track #2 on Somewhere Else, "The Time Being", which includes the lines "...down comes a rain/hot clear rain/washing away our sins/washing away the statues of ????" I'd swear Steve was saying "Sharon Stone"?! I haven't been able to access the lyrics page, so could someone please help me with this one? Thanks a bunch. See y'all later Dave drrake@leland.stanford.edu From drrake@leland.Stanford.EDU Wed Feb 22 19:13 PST 1995 From: David Raymond Rake Subject: T-Shirts Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi y'all, Here's my two cents' worth on the T-shirt issue: 1) I'd prefer white T-shirts over black. Colors seem to show up better on white shirts, they're cooler (temperature-wise, that is), and black shirts tend to fade after several washings. Additionally, I always seem to identify black rock group T-shirts with bands like Winger or Poison. 'Nuff said. 2) In regard to choosing text, I would suggest that only those lines that immediately evoke THE CHURCH, not simply a single album or song, be used. For instance, I think that the lines "Wish I knew what you were looking for/might have known what you would find" are highly associated with the band. I'd bet that even people with only a passing interest in the Church would recognize them. 3)I think the same should apply with graphics. Although I agree that the P=A cover would look cool on a shirt, I think it would look too much like a concert T-shirt. Instead, how about using something like, say, a small Hindsight cover photo and "The Church" text on the upper left hand (i.e., breast pocket) portion of the front, and something larger on the back that is representative of their more recent work. Hey, ya know, that dog might just look good back there after all... 4)Fer chrissakes, no addresses on the shirt, please! YUCK Anyway, enough of my self indulgence. Thanks! Take care, Dave Rake drrake@leland.stanford.edu From drrake@leland.Stanford.EDU Wed Feb 22 21:37 PST 1995 From: David Raymond Rake Subject: Re: T-Shirts Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > i don't know...i don't really want the milky way chorus on the shirt, > we have to explore all the possibilities, not just the most recognizable > ones. how about, 'a palm tree nodded at me last night/he said hey you > look so pale.' just kidding. =) > Yeah, I see what you mean, but it's just that I would prefer to see words on a shirt that are synonymous with the Church. Typically, I think that most lines that fit this criterion would tend to be more recognizable. But hey, if we want to go for esoteric, how about, "She put her foot down on the oscillation pedal/she was a transdimensional speeder"? ;) See ya, Dave Rake drrake@leland.stanford.edu From drrake@leland.Stanford.EDU Thu Mar 2 23:08 PST 1995 From: David Raymond Rake Subject: Re: One Day Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > while i'm at it, i'll mention something that makes me smile. at the end > of one day, when steve runs out of lyrics to sing, and goes 'na na na na > na na na na na...' then dips back into an old song, 'thought you nodded > at me last night, he said, hey you look so pale....' then he really can't > think of anything and just yelps, 'A-ah-hoo!' smile. heh. -henny > That yelp has always kinda made me chuckle, too; refreshingly out of character for Steve. Anyway, the reason why I'm writing is to see if anyone knows the name of the film being referred to in "Dome." I know this is sort of trivial, but I've been doing a bunch of research on sci-fi B movies lately, so my curiosity has been piqued a bit. The only movie that I know of that is even remotely similar to "Dome" is "Logan's Run." Anyone got any ideas? BTW, if you haven't seen "Logan's Run," please don't bother; it's heinous (unless you're a big fan of Farrah Fawcett's fluffy blow-dry 'do, circa 1976--yikes!). See y'all later :) Dave Rake drrake@leland.stanford.edu From drrake@leland.Stanford.EDU Sat Mar 4 11:39 PST 1995 From: David Raymond Rake Subject: Re: Dome Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > >Anyway, the reason why I'm writing is to see if anyone knows the name of > >the film being referred to in "Dome." I know this is sort of trivial, but > >I've been doing a bunch of research on sci-fi B movies lately, so my > >curiosity has been piqued a bit. The only movie that I know of that is > >even remotely similar to "Dome" is "Logan's Run." Anyone got any ideas? > > There are worse films than "Logan's Run", talking of which... > > I wondered the same for a while, and came to the conclusion it might have > been inspired by the awful Sean Connery film "Zardoz". > > James > > James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago. > > Ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand > pixelphone james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz / steam megaphone NZ 03-455-7807 > > * You talk to me as if from a distance > * and I reply with impressions chosen from another time, time, time, > * from another time (Brian Eno) > > > As a matter of fact, I just happened to see "Zardoz" for the first time yesterday. I think you're right on the money, James. Although it doesn't exactly match the storyline in "Dome," it comes pretty close (a lot closer than "Logan's Run," anyway). After seeing "Zardoz," I wish I would have been a little more lenient on "Logan's Run." Watching "Zardoz" was like listening to fingernails being scraped on a chalkboard for two hours. "Logan's Run" ain't no "Citizen Kane," but at least it tried to be entertaining. :) See y'all later Dave Rake drrake@leland.stanford.edu From drrake@leland.Stanford.EDU Sat Mar 4 12:05 PST 1995 From: David Raymond Rake Subject: Re: Dome movie Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > I have to give my opinion on all of this conjecture about which movie > Kibey is singing about in Dome. I believe the entire movie plot he refers to > drifting asleep during (and then being unsure whether the ending he remembers > was real or created by him) was completely invented by Steve's seemingly > endless imagination. I think he is describing man's destructive tendancies. > The people who lived in the Dome had all they wanted and needed, as long as > they stayed in the dome. Then of course, the barbarians arrive on the scene > and kill them all, without a second thought and without purpose. Ah, the ways > of life. The fate of the barbarians is also death, yet I wonder how often that > happens in the world. More likely, they get to continue to wreak havoc without > punishment. Hmm ... I don't think anyone asked for a recap of the plot. > Regardless, my point is that I want people to consider that there was no movie, > any more than there was no actual old man with contageous amnesia in Steve's > story "Forget Everything" in Unearthed--to give a more obscure reference. > (I haven't looked at that booklet for years so I may have the title wrong.) > > But, of course, multiple interpretations are always possible. > > Ken > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ~ Ken Sabatini ~ > ~ University of Georgia ~ > ~ Athens, GA ~ > > > Actually, I read an article (donwloaded from this newsgroup, I think) where Steve said that "Dome" pretty much should be taken literally. Ostensibly, he didn't remember what the title of the film was. I like your idea better than Steve's, though, Ken! See y'all later, Dave Rake drrake@leland.stanford.edu From jlg@abacus.hgs.se Mon Dec 5 02:39 PST 1994 From: E Joakim Lundberg Subject: Re: the boys are comin't sstateside On wednesday I will see them in Uppsala, sweden :) I got my ticket some weeks ago, but the 25 of october they had sold only 45 tickets ... strange ... This is the happening of '94 in Uppsala. Well I will be there ... and Magnus Ring (also on this list) and hopefully a whole crowd of other people. /Joakim From jlg@abacus.hgs.se Wed Dec 7 23:17 PST 1994 From: E Joakim Lundberg Subject: Church in Uppsala, Sweden - 7th of december 1994 Well ... back to my office ... a bit tired after going from Uppsala back to Gefle after the concert yesterday evening. Anyway the concert were really great with a funny thing when Kilbey presentaded the songs in Swedish - And they spoke good swedish with a very nice australian accent :) They excused themself at the end of the concert by saying that they only had spoken swedish for three years. Anyway the concert were all acoustic and I hope I can return with a list of the songs songs later, but right now everything is quite unclear. The High-lights were (my opinion): Grind Reptile Under the milkyway Is this where you live Of course the whole set was excellent. Marty was really enjoying being on the scene with his guitar and he made quite mana applaused solos. Kilbey were more reserved, but he made a few 'jokes' -like introducing Marty and prounancing Marty's name in swedish. Kilbey's voice were great as it always is. Later, Joakim Lundberg From jlg@abacus.hgs.se Mon Dec 12 23:45 PST 1994 From: E Joakim Lundberg Subject: Re: Church in Uppsala, Sweden - 7th of december 1994 Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM > > My view of the gig is the same as everyone else's. It was GREAT. > > Like Joakim said, Steve and Marty talked Swedish between the songs. > Steve said : "No point in talking English since you all know we can talk > > Swedish". And Marty said something like : "And if you laugh at our Swedish, > you should hear yourselves talk English". And also something like: "I've only been speaking swedish for three years. You have been speaking english for 25 years and you are still not perfect yet." > Since none of the others seems to remember the setlist I suppose it's my duty > > to give it to you. I was a bit to slow to grab the original setlist from the > stage, but I was able to make a copy of it. > > Here are the songs : > Ritz > Shadow Cabinet > Tristesse > Grind > Will I Start To Bleed > Providence > Almost With You > Mistress > Hotel Womb > Under The Milky Way > Month Of Sundays > Don't Look Back > My Little Problem > 10 000 Miles Away > Constant In Opal > Is This Where You Live? > 1:st encore > The Night Is Very Soft > Reptile > 2:nd encore > Cortez The Killer > > They did play Myrrh too, but it was written beside the other songs and I don't > remember exactly where they played it (Joakim, do you remember?). Nope... I don't remember when they played Myrrh. But another thing happened. When Steve started to play 'Is this where you live' ... with lots of feeling and a really sad story. One guy standing in front of the scene screamed "yeah!" By this moment the whole room was quiet (except from Steve). So steve kinda stopped singing and made a comment about howinsensibel it would have been if somebody would have been screaming 'Yeah!' on the beach in that song (I mean this is a sad song!). So steve started all over and when he reached to the piont where this guy screamed yeah , Steven leaned back and screamed 'yeah' in the mic. :) Reptile was really great also. Marty seemed to be alittle nervous about doing this song 'cause he asked for help from the audience. anyhow Marty was great in this tune. He really pulled notes from everywhere and there simplier things to do than playing this on a 12-string-guitar. I even forget my camera in my car :( But the boys will probably play in Sweden another time :) /Joakim Lundberg From mersh@tibalt.supernet.ab.ca Mon Nov 28 20:24 PST 1994 From: Earl Stellar Subject: new member info stuff First of all, I gotta admit I haven't the slightest clue as to whatI'm doing. I've only been online for about a month. Shows, huh :-) Anyhoo, I'm hoping that I'm in the contingent of the northern-most Church fans on the globe. It's odd that, considering the impact a lot of Australian bands have had on the Canadian music scene (e.g. Midnight Oil, Lime Spiders, etc.) even back in the mid-80's, I've run into very few Church freaks over the years. This list is more than comforting! Way, way, way back, circa '83/84 (memory's kinda hazy) I caught the video for "Constant in Opal" on Much Music (Canada's way cooler version of MTV, at least, at least at one time) and spent over a year trying to locate anything by the band, which ended up being that "Remote Luxury" release. Needless to say, been a fan ever since. One of the most refreshing things about the Church at that time was that they were afraid to arrange songs. In a world of limpid three-chord no production releases they were a breath of fresh air. And I still feel that way. AND MY PAISLEY SHIRT STORY: My favorite paisley shirt was red with a nehru-type collar that my then-girlfriend made me for my birthday. Happily, the shirt got to see the Church live in California during the Starfish tour. I was stuck at home, had loaned my shirt out to a friend and never saw it again. Anyhoo, looking forward to reading more. From mersh@tibalt.supernet.ab.ca Mon Nov 28 20:29 PST 1994 From: Earl Stellar Subject: Forwarded mail.... Think I got a mail sanfu with your reply to my inquiry. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Jason Benda Subject: please subscribe From mersh@tibalt.supernet.ab.ca Mon Dec 5 20:28 PST 1994 From: Earl Stellar Sender: Earl Stellar Reply-To: Earl Stellar Subject: another throw at democracy Okay, since everyone else is trying to get in under the wire on the BIG VOTE... ALBUM: After spending the last three days relistening to everything, I'll have to go with STARFISH. Although way too short, this is still probably the warmest, cosiest and most concretely mindblowing of them all. SONGS: 1) MONDAY MORNING: Back when I had a car, every Monday I'd crank this, perhaps one of the softest and loviest songs about life ever, and cry all the way to work. Man, I wish I still had a car! 2) ANTENNA: Stick this is your pipe and smoke it! :-) Also, the one church song I can get my moronic Zep-head associates to agree is supurb. 3) 10,000 MILES: Too many good memories. Also, I love Marty's voice, especially on the earlier stuff. Oh yeah, I think we should have a vote for Best Solo and Most Garbled Lyrics. Later.... From ekm0001@jove.acs.unt.edu Tue Feb 7 20:06 PST 1995 From: Erin Kathleen Morgan Subject: earthed Well, I just picked up my copy of "The Slow Crack" this weekend, and while browsing the discography, I noticed the remark on the limited printings of the book from "earthed." This seemed quite surprising when i saw in my recent Ryko catalog (i got it last week) that the book was still offered with the CD version. So I just wanted to point it out to the few out there that it's still available stateside for $18 US directly from Ryko. Sorry to hear about Mort's misinterpretation of Marty's Swedish for his next solo album. I'll be waiting with my thumbs crossed. later, mark From ekm0001@jove.acs.unt.edu Sun Feb 12 15:49 PST 1995 From: Erin Kathleen Morgan Subject: DIDs Well, here's my list: the church everything up to Starfish MWP Art Attack Ride Nowhere, Today Forever EP Spiritaulized Lazer Guided Melodies Mano Negra Amerika Perdida Waterboys This is the sea,Fisherman's Blues Slowdive 1st 3 Eps Tribe Called Quest People's Instinctive travels & the paths of rhythm Jane's Addiction XXX release The Young Gods The Young Gods INXS Shabooh Shoobah (from my early days) I'm sure there's more, just like the rest of us later remember. Later, Mark From ekm0001@jove.acs.unt.edu Thu Feb 23 19:37 PST 1995 From: Erin Kathleen Morgan Subject: t-shirts Well, here's my 2 cents for the shirts. The one idea i had was similiar to my Spiritualized shirt. Part of the fabric, the white areas, glow in the dark and it looks great. I'm sure many have something similiar, or know what i'm talking about here. Maybe have the seance address or some lyrics printed in that manner. And i do like the address idea for the shirt. As for all those chords posted, I'm glad there here, yet i just need to get that one last thing... the guitar. Someday i hope. later, mark From eemsho77@Calvin.EDU Thu Dec 1 06:15 PST 1994 From: Eve Emshoff Subject: Re: Fake - Back Of My Hand EP & Fake CD Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Just my two cents worth to the list. . . I was just reading Morten's own 'review' of the Fake stuff. I, too, received mine a couple days ago from an Aussie member of the list (no longer on the list at this time, however), and here's what I thought. I believe I may get pelted with rocks for this, but this is my nhonest, humble opinion. I don't like the FAKE album. . .BUT, I enjoy the FAKE symphony, included as a bonus limited-edition CD to the album. Here's why. The melodies on the main CD annoy me. . .it's just not my type of music, I guess. I don;t really care for her voice all that much. The songs don't catch me in any way, there's no real hooks anywhere. It's rather glossed over production wise. It reminds me too much of techno in a lot of ways. Or just plain dance club music. The FAKE symphony is interesting. . .makes me feel as if I'm tripping my brains out while listening to Earthed on a very slow speed, in some ways. It tends to lose me after a while, but it's great mood music. . .he certainly knows how to compose songs that take you on a ride. . . As much as I like SK, (and I really love his stuff) the man is not infallible. Every once in a while he's entitled to make a lemon. On the other hand, perhaps I'm just biased. I must admit, it's not what I expect from Kilbey, once again proving he goes beyond any boundaries any one can set up about him. And for that, I respect him greatly. It's just not my bag. Don't take me off the list for this one, Morten. . .:) Eve From eemsho77@Calvin.EDU Mon Dec 5 23:35 PST 1994 From: Eve Emshoff Subject: Re: Don't forget to vote! Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM I had mailed my votes to Jason's own mail box, but, Well, since everybody else is mailing their votes to the list, I may as well send mine to the list. So Jason, don't repeat my votes. . . FAVE CHURCH LP- far and away is SEANCE I agree with Morten that it's easier to walk on water than to only choose one favorite CHurch LP and three songs, however. FAVE SONGS- 1.TRAVEL BY THOUGHT- one of the most tripped out songs I've heard in all my life. Sounds absolutely chaotic at first listen, then realize how organized it actually is. Also, listen to the lyrics closely- hard to decipher, but worth it if you figure them out (for those who haven't). 2.ROMAN- personal lyrics to me. Makes some universal statement IMHO. Angry, bitter, and a great melody. 3.IS THIS WHERE YOU LIVE- pretentious lyrics if you listen close, but frenzied guitar work, and I love the wave of quiet working up to crashing noise. Anyone else with similar Church taste? I noticed a lot of votes for the newer Church. Eve From eemsho77@Calvin.EDU Thu Dec 8 10:29 PST 1994 From: Eve Emshoff Subject: Re: Church in Uppsala, Sweden - 7th of december 1994 Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Just got back from the concert in Uppsala, Sweden, eh? You should have gone up to them after the conert and persuaded them, TOLD THEM, they really should come here to America. SOON. They've got a lot of anxious, RABID fans waiting for them here. Eve From eemsho77@Calvin.EDU Thu Dec 8 22:16 PST 1994 From: Eve Emshoff Subject: Re: shirts Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM I hae a proposal to make regarding the T-shirts. I have a professor at school (also a friend of mine) who has made T-shirts out of his own artwork with his computer. He uses a high-end program called Lumena. Essentially, he puts the image into the computer via digital camera, the he can alter it a million different ways. He can then store that on disk, bring it to a computer image lab, who in turn can turn that image on the disk into an iron-on transfer, which can then be put on any T-shirt. Or they will sell T-shirts with it. If we are really serious about doing this, this may be a route to consider. I am as excited about the idea of these T-shirts as others seem to be. Tell me what you guys think about this. Eve Emshoff From eemsho77@Calvin.EDU Sat Dec 10 15:01 PST 1994 From: Eve Emshoff Sender: Eve Emshoff Reply-To: Eve Emshoff Subject: re: Slak article Here's an article from our local Grand Rapids magazine SLAK, that I did find in the articles listing. I thought I'd pass it on to the list. It's rather long, but a pretty good article. I can't believe they came to Cleveland and I missed them! :( Did anyone go to the concert in Salt Lake City, Utah in the cinema that is mentioned in the article? Also, note the end of the article. Marty says, "If you see any good cinema or laudromats the Church can play at, you let us know. We'll be there." Maybe we should take him up on that offer. . .:) EVE _______________________________________________________________________ THE CHURCH Moves on Someplace Else By Tom Cornell SLAK issue #4 July 1994 Grand Rapids, Michigan The Church has never wanted to be part of the musical superhighway. The band has always seemed content to crawl along at their own pace, looking carefully at every detail along the side of the road as they slowly rolled by. Marty Willsom-Piper, Steve Kilbey and Peter Koppes, the band's core for most of its 14-year history, have created music throughout their career which works with precision and atmospheres. They have always concentrated on the details of their music, taking time to analyze each moment, investigating where each riff could take them, and never throwing something on tape without much thought. In its early years, the band was heavily influenced aby the Fab Four, releasing precise pop songs like "The Unguarded Moment." As time wore on, though, the band became more interested in psychedelic, cosmic music, eventually building to 1986's _Heyday_. In 1988, The Church swerved slightly from its course, releasing a highly polished album of surprisingly straight-forward songs titled _Starfish_. The single "Under the Milky Way" became a massive hit, and new fans were anxiously checking into the band's previous material. 1990's _Gold Afternoon Fix_ churned along in the same vein with Willson-Piper's guitar leading the way for Steve Kilbey's vague, mumbling vocals. By 1992's _Priest=Aura_ the formula had worn thin. That album failed to transfix many fans and flat-out bored much of the world with its predictability. And now, with the departure of long-time member Peter Koppes, the Church has pared down to a duo and recorded a new studio creation titled _Sometime, Anywhere_. Marty Willson-Piper and Steve Kilbey carry on as the Church with the band's most "out there" album to date. There are no obvious singles to be found on this one. In fact, three of of the tuned run over eight minutes long. Occaisonally an uneven album, some critics argue that the band should have dropped at least a couple of the songs to make the album more digestible. (The album clocks in at 76:55 and includes an extra EP titled _Somewhere Else_.) And as usual, many people are scratching their heads, wondering how the band has avoided being pinned the cosmic Spinal Tap. However, longtime fans of the band could not be happier. The band is experimenting more freely than ever, and to many of them, this new disc is the best thing they have heard from the band in years. I think that's the way the Church prefers it. Slak recently spoke with a cheery Marty Willson-Piper from Arista's offices in New York. Slak: WHEN YOU WENT DOWN TO AUSTRALIA TO MAKE THIS RECORD, DID YOU KNOW THAT YOU AND STEVE WOULD END UP CREATING ANOTHER CHURCH ALBUM OR WAS IT KIND OF TENTATIVE AT THAT POINT? MWP: Well, it kind of was that, but I don't think there was much doubt we were going to be able to make a record. I mean, I suppose, although that was how it was, if you ask me if we had any doubt that we could do it, I couldn't realy admit that. I mean, I've been in a band with Steve for 14 years. I can always sit in a room with him and play guitar and come up with a song. NOW YOU DON'T HAVE PETER OF COURSE. WHY DID HE DECIDE TO LEAVE? Well, I think it was about three thing. One, he had just had enough. 12 years. He never felt like we were making it big enough or something. SO HE KIND OF HAD A DREAM TO BE A MEGA-ROCK STAR OR SOMETHING? Yeah. I think so. I think he thought that it was too frustating, and he thought that we had been fucked over too many times and he had just had enough of the whole fucking game. Also, I think he wanted to sing more, which we didn't want him to. He wanted to get more if his ideas across on the records and maybe they weren't compatible. And also, Steve and I were off doing lots of other projects and I think that frustated him a bit too. YOU TWO CAME UP WITH AN AWFUL LOT OF MATERIAL FOR THE NEW ALBUM. Yeah, we did. IS THAT A RESULT OF FEELING A LOT MORE FREE WITH THIS NEW SITUATION WITH JUST THE TWO OF YOU? Definitely. All the role playing sort of went away, you know?! All of the creative freedom! No preconceived ideas! Steve would say, "Ahh, you play the bass on this one, will ya?" And I went, "Ah, OK." And I had never played bass on a Church record before, and I played bass on half of this one. AND BY TAKING ON DIFFERENT INSTRUMENTS, LIKE STEVE ON BANJO AND YOU ON MANDOLIN, DID YOU WANT TO PUSH THE BOUNDARIES OF WHAT THE CHURCH COULD DO and about three months of time. Somebody press record, eh?" And we went in there with this very open attitude. We didn't want to have a regular format group. We thought we'd bring people in as we needed them. We fucked about with samples, turning them round and drum loops. Suddenly the whole thing opened up. Instead of it being this regimented rock group, we suddenly had the ability that, well, if somebody wanted to whistle onto the tape they could. There was nobody there to tell us we couldn't do it. YEAH, AND I ALSO NOTICED THERE ARE TWO OR THREE SOUNGS ON THE ALBUM THAT ARE RIGHT AROUND EIGHT MINUTES IN LENGTH WHICH YOU GUYS HAVEN'T DONE SINCE THE EARLY DAYS. Yeah. Steve and I have always liked long songs. We like songs that go on and on and on. It is just more freedom to be atmospheric and get into it more deeply. The two minute pop song thing is great for some people, but we just don't want to be that. That's why we don't like "Business Woman" being on the record. That was a mistake. Fuck! What a mistake that was. So you can fast forward that one. IS SOUNDS LIKE YOU ARE NOT UNDER ANY PRESSURE TO MAKE ANOTHER HIT SINGLE LIKE, SAY "UNDER THE MILKY WAY." It wasn't ever there. We've never been under pressure to write singles. People don't sign us to write singles, they sign us because we're an interesting group. And if they say, "Well, you might be interesting, guys, but you ain't selling enough records." OK "BYE!" You know, "See you later." A group like us can not work on a commercial level. We have to hope the that world comes round to us. WELL, THERE IS CERTAINLY A VERY LOYAL FOLLOWING WHICH GIVES YOU THE FREEDOM TO TAKE THEN FOR A RIDE MAYBE. That's right. If a band like us compromises the music, then it just defeats the whole object of the band. NOW, YOU'VE DONE A NUMBER OF SOLO RECORDS. ANY PLANS TO DO ANOTHER PROJECT LIKE ART ATTACK IN THE NEAR FUTURE? I should make more like that. I'd love to make another record like that, in as much as. . .you see, I've got this whole thing as a solo artist where--you know those wordy melodic acoustic songs that I write--I love doing that! And people that love it, love it too. But it is not a big selling thing. And at the moment, to be quite honest with you, I don't exactly know where I stand with my record company Rykodisc. I haven't spoken to them for about two years. So it is a little awkward. And I am also busy with the Church, I am busy working with Never Swallow Stars, I am working with Mary Cassidy from Lulabox. She's really great. And she and I have met up and written a couple of really great songs together. So I've got loads of things I am working on at the moment. A couple of people have asked me to play guitar on their record, so I've got loads of things to do. But as soon as I get 10 seconds in the same day, I am going to get my acoustic guitar and I am going to write a beautiful, wordy, poetic, acoustic song just for you, man! (laughin') GOSH. . .THANKS. ARE THERE ANY PLANS FOR THE CHURCH TO GO ON THE ROAD? Well, we've just done this promo tour where did acoustic shows around the country. We didn't do the Midwest. The closest we got was Cleveland, New York. . .well, we didn't even play New York. Cleveland, New Brunswick and Seattle. . .so the whole Midwest, Chicago, Michigan area just missed out. And we did that thing where we went with a couple of acoustic guitars, played on radio stations, did some pop festivals as a duo, did some clubs for radio stations. And it went pretty well actually. We only alienated two radio stations on the whole tour, which isn't bad for us. WELL, THERE ARE SOME REALLY WEIRD PLACES WHERE PEOPLE REALLY DIG YOU GUYS, THOUGH, I'D IMAGINE. Right. Well, on this tour we played Salt Lake City. We played at a cinema in Salt Lake City after a Ginsberg film. We went on stage with a Marlon Brando film being played, with incense burning and a captive audience with no beer, just juices and cookies. We had 200 or 300 people. I can't even remember, it was however many a movie theater holds. It was an old sort of alternative cinema. Two acoustic guitars. And they just screamed the whole way through. They loved us! Because that is just the way it should be done. I mean, going to bars and radio stations and playing on a patio in Portland for a radio station where the guy is an asshole, who cares? Who wants to do that? Not me. So there are some towns where you get the atmosphere right and everything going right, and it just turns into a really cool thing. In Seattle we played in a laundromat. REALLY? THAT MUST HAVE BEEN KIND OF ODD. It was. But is was great. Two shows and they really dug us. That is the grunge place, and we brought two acoustic guitars and it just went down great! MAYBE YOU GUYS SHOULD DO AN ALTERNATIVE FORM OF TOURING AND DROP BY LAUNDROMATS, CINEMAS, WHATEVER. Yeah. Yeah, that's right. If you see any good cinemas or laundromats that the Church can play at, you let us know. We'll be there. *End of Article* From eemsho77@Calvin.EDU Sat Dec 10 15:18 PST 1994 From: Eve Emshoff Subject: Re: Somewhere Else Oh, one more thing. Somebody was asking about aquiring Somewhere Else. I called the local record store today, and they have 1 copy left of the limited edition package of Sometime, Anywhere which includes the bonus disc. If this person is still interested (or if not, ifn anyone else needs a copy), they are selling it for $17.99. I can pick it up for them and send it their way. Please let me know ASAP. I have it on hold. Again, Eve From eemsho77@Calvin.EDU Sun Dec 11 17:52 PST 1994 From: Eve Emshoff Sender: Eve Emshoff Reply-To: Eve Emshoff Subject: Re: shirts Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM On Mon, 12 Dec 1994, James Dignan wrote: > >I have a professor at school (also a friend of mine) who has made T-shirts out > >of his own artwork with his computer. > This sounds like a very good idea. The price will probably be a bit > daunting when it'll have to be sent all the way to NZ. I also want to put > in my vote for Tshirt over a buttoned job. But hey, I don't mind if I'm > outvoted :-) > > James ___________________________________________________ Keep in mind, you'd have a choice-- 1. receive an iron-on (not cheesy ones like when we were kids that kept peeling off, mind you...more like a silkscreen) and put it on a shirt of your own or 2.receive an already-made t-shirt with design on it. Costs will differ for both, I'm sure. Also, I would consider sending a batch overseas to someone who would be willing to send them on to folks nearer to them. I believe that would keep costs down. Eve From eemsho77@Calvin.EDU Tue Dec 13 15:12 PST 1994 From: Eve Emshoff Subject: Re: _Already Yesterday_ Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM On Tue, 13 Dec 1994, Richard F. Delano wrote: > > As I was browsing through some on-line CD services, I came across one > company (CDNow) which listed _Already Yesterday_. No big deal? Well, > according to their database, this is the U.S. release on Raven (DNA) > Records (I never heard of them). It was listed as having a 12/20/94 > release date and was selling for $17.76. ANyone else heard about a US > release of this? You know, I've had this same CD from Raven since Sunday, the 11th. I find it odd that they list a December 20 release date. EXCEPT, mine did have an IMPORT sticker on it. . .uh-oh. . . And what a drag. . .it cost a whole lot more than $17.76. . .more like $27.00. OUCH. So, silly me, they must mean a domestic release date. You guys overseas beat us to it, I guess. . . I'm so impatient. . .if only I'd known, I would have waited. :( Eve From eemsho77@Calvin.EDU Thu Dec 15 11:57 PST 1994 From: Eve Emshoff Subject: Re: Lily Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM On Thu, 15 Dec 1994, Lily J. Anderson wrote: > Hello- I'm a new member here, having just learned of your existence. . . > It would be hard to pin down a favourite song. Here's a top ten, in no particular order. > > Bel-air > Travel by Thought ALRIGHT! > Roman > Is this Where you Live? AHA! AFTER MY OWN HEART! > > I guess overall, my favorite album would have to be Seance. YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! > > Thank you for inviting me to your party, You're entirely welcome, Lily! Quite a party it is too, eh, folks?! > > Lily From eemsho77@Calvin.EDU Fri Dec 16 08:56 PST 1994 From: Eve Emshoff Subject: Re: The Church Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM On Fri, 16 Dec 1994 BROWNKB@ml.wpafb.af.mil wrote: > > LET'S SEE, HOW ABOUT WHAT IS YOUR BIGGEST/FAVORITE CHURCH OR BAND MEMBER > COLLECTABLE ITEM? MINE WOULD HAVE TO BE MY TEST PRESSING OF MARTY'S ALBUM > ART ATTACK, OR THE FRENCH 45 OF ALMOST WITH YOU, I LOVE THE COVER AND THE > PAPER IT'S MADE FROM. > > KELLY> How about a limited edition GREEN vinyl 45 of Reptile b/w Texas Moon? Eve From eemsho77@Calvin.EDU Fri Dec 16 10:11 PST 1994 From: Eve Emshoff Subject: Re: The Church Cc: BROWNKB@ml.wpafb.af.mil, seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM On Fri, 16 Dec 1994, Keith K Morioka wrote: > > On Fri, 16 Dec 1994 BROWNKB@ml.wpafb.af.mil wrote: > > > > LET'S SEE, HOW ABOUT WHAT IS YOUR BIGGEST/FAVORITE CHURCH OR BAND MEMBER > > COLLECTABLE ITEM? MINE WOULD HAVE TO BE MY TEST PRESSING OF MARTY'S ALBUM > > ART ATTACK, OR THE FRENCH 45 OF ALMOST WITH YOU, I LOVE THE COVER AND THE > > PAPER IT'S MADE FROM. > > > > KELLY> > C'MON YOU BIG-TIME-COLLECTORS-WHO-HAVE-BEEN-INTO-THE-CHURCH-SINCE-THE-DAY-THEY-PUT- OUT-THEIR-FIRST-SINGLE! I KNOW YOU'RE OUT THERE! (eve crawling into a hole after her zillionth posting to the list) From eemsho77@Calvin.EDU Fri Dec 16 12:23 PST 1994 From: Eve Emshoff Subject: Re: The Church Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM On Fri, 16 Dec 1994, Morten Skjefte wrote: > I also treasure the 2 copies I have of Sing-Songs and my 2 copies > of "Narcosis", but since I got those (well at least the initial > copy of each) before I knew how rare they were, they didn't provide > the same euphoric surge that the above list did.... > > -morten Wow, Narcosis is really rare? I never realized that. I remember finding my copy quite easily and several more. . .in fact, I hadn't even realized Kilbey had released it. Just walked in the store one day for no reason, and found it. Wow. I'm glad I picked it up, if that's the case. Eve From eemsho77@Calvin.EDU Thu Dec 29 16:41 PST 1994 From: Eve Emshoff Subject: Re: mtv unplugged Cc: Beebster@aol.com, seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM On Thu, 29 Dec 1994, Guerilla wrote: > Something about the Grand Rapids area of Michigan that is a hotbed of > progressive and obscure European pop/rock/folk stuff... whatever it is, > it's awesome. > > -Scott > Oh wow man. . .and i live here. I never knew this. . . :) guess i take it for granted??? if anyone wants me to do some checking on availability, it's only a phone call away. send me a message, and i'll reply back to you e-mail wise. . . Eve From eemsho77@Calvin.EDU Mon Jan 9 08:28 PST 1995 From: Eve Emshoff Subject: Re: in case i missed anyone. . . Just in case I missed telling any of my friends whom I write to. . . I'll be in Arizona until the 30th, so don't worry if I don't answer your mail for a time. I'll write when I get back. See you guys!! Eve Emshoff From eemsho77@Calvin.EDU Mon Jan 9 08:29 PST 1995 From: Eve Emshoff Subject: Re: Unsubscribe Unsubscribe From eemsho77@Calvin.EDU Tue Jan 31 16:50 PST 1995 From: Eve Emshoff Subject: Re: Travel by Thought a duff track!? Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM An answer to an old message (I just got back): Aaron, HI. Travel by Thought is one of my favorite tracks of all time by the Church. You'll be hearing from me on that one, boy. . . :) Eve From eemsho77@Calvin.EDU Tue Jan 31 17:23 PST 1995 From: Eve Emshoff Subject: Re: subscribe subscribe From eemsho77@Calvin.EDU Tue Jan 31 17:35 PST 1995 From: Eve Emshoff Sender: Eve Emshoff Reply-To: Eve Emshoff Subject: Re: message to Morten Morten, Sorry about posting this to the list, but I don't have your specific e-mail address. Could you please write back to me regarding the list? Before I unsubscribed, I was recieving duplicates of e-mail messages. I came back to home to 602 messages (not all Church related). I unsubscribed, but still recieved one copy of all Churchlist mail. It appears I'm on the list already anyway. Am I on twice for some reason? Do I need to unsubscribe twice and start over? Also, I get mail from the delivery subsystems declaring my messages as undeliverable. However, you seem to get them. What gives? Help! Eve eemsho77@ursa.Calvin.EDU From eemsho77@Calvin.EDU Wed Feb 1 14:54 PST 1995 From: Eve Emshoff Subject: Re: TO miket This message is mainly to Miket who wrote me yesterday, but also to another lucky Church fan, if they e-mail me ASAP. . . I located the double CD of Sometime Anywhere for you, Mike. Having erased your message, please e-mail me with your address, and I'll send it off to you. I have also found another copy. If one other person needs one, please contact me! One is new, one is used. Mike, which one do you want? The other is up for grabs to anyone. Sincerely, Eve From eemsho77@Calvin.EDU Fri Feb 3 05:44 PST 1995 From: Eve Emshoff Subject: Re: Church/Triffids concerts bootleg This is to all members on the list interested in the Church/Triffids concerts bootleg. . . Neil Andrews made the offer to tape these for you before Christmas. He hasn't forgotten about all of you who are interested. I will be taping and distributing to those who live in the United States and Canada. Neil will be taping for those in Europe, and I would assume Australia and New Zealand as well. Pardon me if I've forgotten anyone. It will save time for Neil, and will be much less expensive shipping-wise. Please e-mail me at my private mail address, eemsho77@ursa.Calvin.EDU if you are interested in recieving a copy. Please include your snail-mail address. Not wanting to post my snail-mail address to the entire list for obvious reasons, I will forward mye snail-mail address to all interested persons. Please include $6.00 for the cost of the tape and shipping. These will be taped on Maxell II 60 minute tapes for anyone interested. The sound quality is relatively good. These concerts were taped off the BBC Radio One, the concerts dating from 1989/1991. Morten: a tape is already being sent to you. Don't send $$. Eve From eemsho77@Calvin.EDU Fri Feb 10 14:34 PST 1995 From: Eve Emshoff Sender: Eve Emshoff Reply-To: Eve Emshoff Subject: Re: Desert Island Discs (not too short) Nope. I'd never go without all of my music. Nope. :) _____________________________________________________________ But since this is only hypothetical. . . John Cale-- Paris 1919 Velvet Underground-- White Light, White Heat David Bowie-- The Singles 1969-1991 Talking Heads-- Sand in the Vaseline The Church-- mmmm. All up to Starfish (inc. Starfish, and Sing-Songs EP) The Chills--Kaleidoscope World Steve Kilbey-- Remindlessness, Unearthed, Earthed Robyn Hitchcock-- Eye, Invisible Hitchcock The Soft Boys-- Underwater Moonlight, Invisible Hits Syd Barrett-- Madcap Laughs, Barrett Julian Cope-- Fried Chameleons-- Script of the Bridge, What Does Anthing Mean. . .Basically? Sonic Youth-- Daydream Nation Peter Gabriel-- Peter Gabriel 1, Peter Gabriel 3 John Foxx-- The Garden Brian Eno-- Another Green World, Before and After Science Prefab Sprout-- Steve McQueen Wire-- 154 The Fall-- The Wonderful and Frightening World of the Fall Dead Can Dance-- Aion Various-- 15th and 16th Century Renaissance and Gothic Music !! Shriekback-- Big Night Music The Cure-- Faith There's no way I could ever be stranded on a desert island. Nope. I'd rather sink into the waves. I've noticed Faith by the Cure on a lot of lists, so far. Eve From eemsho77@Calvin.EDU Fri Feb 10 14:47 PST 1995 From: Eve Emshoff Subject: Re: favorite Church lines/couplets Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM On Thu, 9 Feb 1995, James Dignan wrote: > > Hmmn. Now there's a possible thread (oh god no... more mail!). What are all > of you lot's favourite lines/couplets by the Church??? Yeah, okay, I'll bite. "Inside the man, the pleasure dome, this is the world that I once called home Strangers in their naked skin, waiting for their sweet oblivion Close to you, hear all you say, even though you're continents away The perfumed air, the taste of fear, shrug your shoulders and they disappear" ---It Doesn't Change Also, "Sometime up here, watching a cloud, funny how they shape your thoughts right out loud-- sometime you laugh, sometimes you cry, so deep in the night it leaves you stranded high and dry" ---Don't Look Back Eve (again) From eemsho77@Calvin.EDU Sat Feb 11 11:39 PST 1995 From: Eve Emshoff Subject: Re: your mail on "Tristesse" Cc: The Church mailer I know both the songs you mentioned, and wondered as well. Knowing a bit of French, I recollect "Tristesse" means "Sadness" in that language. Eve On Sat, 11 Feb 1995, Peter James Rasmussen wrote: > Question? > > (Idon't remeber if I've asked this, but I'm sure no one has answered) > > Regarding the song TRISTESSE from heyday, > is that the name of a city? I'm wondering because Smashing > Pumpkins has a song of the same title on their debut, Gish. They do > pronounce the word differently. BTW, S.P.'s first album seems to have a > lot of "Church" in it. Especially tracks like Suffer. > > Curious, > Peter > MPLS MN USA > From eemsho77@Calvin.EDU Mon Feb 13 18:01 PST 1995 From: Eve Emshoff Subject: Re: i've just arrived... Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM On Mon, 13 Feb 1995, Ai Endo wrote: > that's another thing- i can't wait to get chords > and things from fellow players, is there an email where i can just > receive all that's been deciphered? i don't have ftp, though. well, i'll > stop here, don't want to keep you. see you around the table...-henny Morten, Did James forward my idea to you, of setting up an e-mail address to obtain all the chords? Like what you did for the reviews, addresses, discog, and letters. . . What do you think? Surely there are many other guitar players on the list. . .now, and to come. :) Eve PS I have a file of chords saved, if you need be. Be glad to forward them to you. :) (hint, hint) From eemsho77@Calvin.EDU Tue Feb 14 16:13 PST 1995 From: Eve Emshoff Subject: Re: DID ? Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM On Tue, 14 Feb 1995, Morten Skjefte wrote: > > I remember telling myself to check them out after I saw them open > for the Church. I never actually did until some dude in Australia > (oh, hi mrg) recorded a few songs on a tape for me. Great band! > > -morten > MMMMM. . .I already wrote Karl about this, but I had the same experience, essentially. Many people think them pretentious (i.e. Langley's poetry/talking), but that's never bothered me. They're a great band!! I recommend "Tolerance," and "Swagger," personally. Only my opinion. :) Morten, if you want to make any more work for yourself (hehe), you should set up a Blue Aeroplanes list as an offshoot to this one!!! I'd love to get on a list for them. . .:) (Only kidding, Morten!) Eve From eemsho77@Calvin.EDU Tue Feb 14 19:42 PST 1995 From: Eve Emshoff Subject: Re: Blue Aeroplanes discog. . . Someone asked earlier about a Blue Aeroplanes discography. Here's what I know of, up until Life Model. Anyone else, please feel free to flesh out the rest. . . Bop Art (Abstract) 1984 Action Painting and Other Original Works EP (Fire) 1985 Lover and Confidante and Other Stories of Travel, Religion and Heartbreak (Fire) 1986 Tolerance (Fire) 1986 Spitting Out Miracles (Restless) 1987 Friendloverplane (Fire) 1988 (Fire-Restless) 1989 Swagger (Ensign-Chrysalis) 1990 Loved EP (Ensign) 1990 World View Blue (Ensign-Chrysalis) 1990 Beatsongs 1991 Life Model 1994 and, Gerard Langley and Ian Kearey: Siamese Boyfriends (Fire) 1986 Eve From eemsho77@Calvin.EDU Mon Feb 20 17:54 PST 1995 From: Eve Emshoff Subject: Re: Church/Triffids Bootleg (for all) HI! Just an update on the bootleg tape. . . To New Subscribers/Those Still Interested ----------------------------------------- There is a Church/Triffids concert bootleg, taped by the BBC/Radio One around 1990. I can make copies for anyone else interested, as I do still have the Master tape. If interested, it's $6.00. E-mail me privately at eemsho77@ursa.Calvin.EDU, and I will give you all the pertinent imformation (address to send $ to, and whatever else). Please make sure to include your snail-mail address when you e-mail me! To Those Who Have Sent Money, And I Have Recieved It. . . --------------------------------------------------------- I am sending the first batch out tomorrow!!! Which means, you should recieve your tape in, what, 4 days or so? :) YAY! Sorry. . .I was going to make covers for all the tapes, but did not have time. I did include pertinent information INSIDE the cassette cases, however. (I left the outside blank for people to fill in as they wish.) I figured you wanted the music most, anyway. :) Any questions, feel free to e-mail me privately. Eve From eemsho77@Calvin.EDU Mon Feb 20 18:44 PST 1995 From: Eve Emshoff Subject: Re: Steve and Marty, Comedians Cc: "Karl W. Reinsch" , seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM On Mon, 20 Feb 1995, Gary Assa wrote: > > > Omaha, on the Starfish tour, Steve introduced "Unsubstantiated" by saying, > > > "This is a song we wrote today while ironing our shirts." Everyone, of > > > course, had on wrinkled shirts. > They did this on the second leg of their 1988 Starfish tour. > > > Well, there's always the standard response to "Happy Hunting Ground" > > requests: "We left our orchestra back at home." > Hey! I requested this in Philly during 1990 GAF tour, and that is what > they said. Wow! > So, do you think they plan their jokes ahead of time? That would make sense, but it doesn't make them seem quite as witty. :) Eve From eemsho77@Calvin.EDU Tue Feb 21 17:02 PST 1995 From: Eve Emshoff Subject: Re: Grand Plan A: t-shirts (fwd) Folks, Remember the plan to do Church (and Church list) T-shirts? Well, it is STILL on, if enough people are still interested. (Between this and the tapes, I will NEVER leave my house) For those new to the list, we had an idea to do Church T-shirts, with the address of the mailing list. We need designs, but I don't know how to get around the problems of "Group Consensus," a way everyone can submit and/or see the designs, and then vote on it. Anyone out there with enough computer knowledge. . .help/ideas would be appreciated as to solving this problem. That's the first step to making this happen, I think. I have computer/scanner access to create these t-shirts, and then can have the designs printed up at a place that does that sort of thing. T-shirts would run $25.00. This includes 1.fee the store charges to print T-shirts, and 2.postage/handling. I'm not doing this for profit, believe it or not. :) Of course, I'll need to know (eventually) how many people are serious about ordering any shirts. NOT NOW though! At any rate, here's a message worth looking at re: the t-shirts. Eve (again!) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Michael Bromley 61-89-895442 Subject: Re: Grand Plan A: t-shirts Here's what i have managed to do.... I have scanned in all of the album covers. How should i do up a design? I thought that perhaps since the european release of 'the church' has such a cool picture (the broken angel), i thought that would make a really good front? As for the back, i thought that a collage of the album covers would be good...Say in a square with nine sub-squares, spiralling in from 'skins' to 'SA'. Up the top "seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM" and below it a couplet or three. Does that form a pleasant picture in your mind? I don't have incredibly much time, but any suggestions would be great, to get an idea of what people might like... brom From eemsho77@Calvin.EDU Wed Feb 22 05:20 PST 1995 From: Eve Emshoff Subject: Re: Remindlessness lyric insight Cc: Church On Wed, 22 Feb 1995, Smith, Brian wrote: > > There's a song on Remindlessness (I think its "Liquid") that contains the > words "rapture of the deep". I was reading a collection of science essays > by Asimov yesterday and he explains where that phrase comes from. > > Its comes from scuba divers. When they go deep, the increased pressure > causes nitrogen to dissolve into their tissues instead of remaining gaseous. > The effect this has is rather like being drunk: decreased motor skills, > increased confidence (bad combination) and euphoria. And that's the > "rapture of the deep". I wonder if Steve's ever been scuba diving..... > Folks, this condition is also called NARCOSIS. :) Webster's College Disctionary gives it as "a state of drowsiness or stupor." Rapture of the Deep is a term coined by Jacques Cousteau in 1950-1955, from a French phrase. It stands for "Nitrogen Narcosis." Considering that one of Kilbey's EPs is titled Narcosis, I would guess he HAS been scuba diving. (Narcosis is also defined as "an unconciousness caused by a narcotic." Just perfect, Skilbey!) Eve > Brian "Ask Dr. Stupid !" Smith Okay, is this a Ren and Stimpy reference? From eemsho77@Calvin.EDU Wed Feb 22 18:16 PST 1995 From: Eve Emshoff Subject: Re: OK OK T-SHirts again Cc: Michael Bromley 61-89-895442 , seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM On Wed, 22 Feb 1995, Ai Endo wrote: > > ps I would prefer a white t-shirt because i live in the tropics. I was actually planning on offering both black AND white. Also, 2 differently designed t-shirt as well. I need to nail a lot more of this down, however, before final decisions are made. Also-- Please, anyone with concert shots of their own, please contact me privately at eemsho77@ursa.Calvin.EDU. Eve From eemsho77@Calvin.EDU Fri Feb 24 16:11 PST 1995 From: Eve Emshoff Subject: Re: T-shirts update (IMPORTANT for those interested, but LONGISH) I'd like to get more info from some of the more knowledgable people on the list re: what I've discovered on the T-shirts. I've called Image Gallery, a very excellent place here in Grand Rapids which one of my professors works with and recommends. They advertise themselves as Color Communications/Laser Printed T-shirts. I spoke with Julie at Image Gallery, who gave me a price quote on the T-shirts. She is willing to work with us on this. INFO: 1.They do the images using a Dye Transfer Process. They do take the image directly from disk. (outline of design shows only faintly, if any at all) 2.When you wash the T-shirts, just make sure you wash them inside out, and only Low Tumble Dry. . .for, as with just about any T-shirt, they fade with time. This is to prolong the T-shirt's life. 3.Each T-shirt will cost $15.00. Now, that's for 100. I'd need enough over that for shipping!!! (sorry. . .cringe) So, is $5.00 additional reasonable? Anyone??? Should I go $10.00 extra for those overseas? That's still a sweet deal, as I've bought T-shirts at concerts for $25.00-$30.00. Would those in the US be willing to pay $20.00? Would those overseas (Aus, NZ, Sweden, Finland, etc.) be willing to pay $25.00 U.S. dollars? That includes EITHER: 50 of one design, and 50 of another OR 100 of One design (doesn't matter which) I can check on the price for only 50 shirts, if anyone thinks I should. 4.We have our choice of design on ANY color T-shirt we want: Black White Natural Warning about the Black T-shirt, however: If we have any white in the design, it will come out black (color of T-shirt shows through) 5. The price quote includes: Four-color printing One large design on front, one large design on back (it might be less with a small design on front/large one in back, but I didn't have her quote me on that) So, we would need two designs for front voted on, and two designs for back voted on. Also, this is assuming we design the T-shirt beforehand, and simply present them the design. That's not a problem. There is no extra cost for different sizes (except XXL), different colors, or the two different designs. SOOOOOOOO. . . I need some input, please!! 1.those that are seriously interested. Can anyone keep tabs on this???? I need a count. If anyone will keep tabs, please e-mail me privately! 2.Should I order 100 when I order? Or less? More? 3.People with photographs of their own, please contact me! I need to set you up with people who can scan them in. :) 4.People willing to scan photographs in, please contact me! I need to set you up with people who have their own photographs. :) Also, to talk with you on how others can have access to the images, so we can actually SEE them (via Internet access or hard-copies). ____________________________________________________________________________ I am NOT going to order them right now, don't worry. I'm wondering if anyone else has other ideas? They would like half of the order amount put down when we put in the design. So, I'd need money for that. If we order 100, that's $750. I don't happen to have that myself, so I would need to have the money for the T-shirts ahead of time. They DID say they will do one for nothing, so we can see what it looks like. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- So, this is a loaded post, but I need help. I don't want anyone disappointed, or think I'm trying to rip them off, or whatever. :) I'd like people's input. Would it help if I put together a Questionaire, and sent it out to everyone? with things like: first choice design (when we decide on a few) Color shirt: Second Choice design: Color shirt: How many? design 1: design 2: This is ONLY a rough idea. PLEASE don't fill out this sample questionaire! Would anyone care to take on the responsibility of tallying the questionaire results?????? :) We need to get our choices for designs down to, say, 6 total. I will send out a more detailed questionaire, if Morten doesn't mind. :) We don't have to have hard and fast answers right now. . .I was shooting for the middle of March. Eve eemsho77@ursa.Calvin.EDU From eemsho77@Calvin.EDU Sun Feb 26 19:08 PST 1995 From: Eve Emshoff Subject: Re: T-shirts. . .to all those willing to submit original photos Could anyone willing to submit original Church photos (concert shots, whatever) for the T-Shirts, please contact me at eemsho77@ursa.Calvin.EDU. I'd like to speak with you. :) Thanks!! Eve From eemsho77@Calvin.EDU Sun Feb 26 19:29 PST 1995 From: Eve Emshoff Subject: Re: lyrics access Excuse me for being a moron :), but. . . Is there, in fact, a file I can access which contains Church song lyrics? It could come in handy for this T-shirt business. Could someone please let me know how I can access this? Thank you one more time :) Eve From eemsho77@Calvin.EDU Sun Feb 26 19:32 PST 1995 From: Eve Emshoff Sender: Eve Emshoff Reply-To: Eve Emshoff Subject: Re: Tshirt couplets... a selection (longish) Cc: James Dignan , seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Please, please, please!!! I've got to put in my lyric vote!!! :) This is one of my all-time favorites. . . "Close to you, hear all you say/Even though you're continents away" thanks, Eve From eemsho77@Calvin.EDU Sun Feb 26 19:32 PST 1995 From: Eve Emshoff Subject: Re: T-shirts. . .need someone to tally a count Hello again. . .and again. . .and again. . . I really need someone to tally a count on those truly, seriously interested in purchasing a T-shirt (or 2). I have some numbers counted already (although I may start over and take an official count). Would someone be willing to take numbers/names/etc. down when they scroll through Church-related e-mail? Friends? Enemies? Anyone with time on their hands? :) Thank you again Church fans. . . Eve From eemsho77@Calvin.EDU Mon Feb 27 05:17 PST 1995 From: Eve Emshoff Subject: Re: T-shirts. . .those interested in purchasing one Cc: Churchlist This is just a quick note to say, this is an UNOFFICIAL count of those interested in purchasing a T-shirt. You may let Henny or Me know now, if you wish, but an OFFICIAL vote will be taken AFTER people get a chance to see the designs. And Vote on it (with or without changes). So, you may want to withold your decision. I want no-one to feel left out of the decision=making process, and feel their ideas were not heard. :) Eve On Sun, 26 Feb 1995, Ai Endo wrote: > > > On Sun, 26 Feb 1995, Eve Emshoff wrote: > > > I really need someone to tally a count on those truly, seriously > > interested in purchasing a T-shirt (or 2). > > > > Would someone be willing to take numbers/names/etc. down when they scroll > > through Church-related e-mail? > > I'll do it! So all you that are ordering shirts, please send ME a message > with the subject heading, "Purchase <# of shirts>". (by the way, this was > Eve's brilliant idea, isn't she smart? :) ) > -henny > From eemsho77@Calvin.EDU Mon Feb 27 06:13 PST 1995 From: Eve Emshoff Subject: Re: T-shirts. . .lyrics vote (short) If anyone has more lyrics ideas to post for the T-shirts, I ask that you put "Lyrics Votes" in the subject line. Just for ease of scrolling through e-mail messages for the person who's keeping track. I wish I'd thought of this sooner. . . Eve From eemsho77@Calvin.EDU Mon Feb 27 21:33 PST 1995 From: Eve Emshoff Subject: Re: Hindsight Cc: "Richard F. Delano" , seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM BEST BUY has very decent prices. . .I've seen copies for $32.88. Can't beat the $24.00 one, though. :) Eve On Mon, 27 Feb 1995, Ai Endo wrote: > > i've seen Hindsight around here in the whopping $45 range, i got it a few > years ago for more than half that price! does this mean it's just > getting rare? anyway, if anyone wants me to pick up a copy for them, you > can e me. -henny > > On Mon, 27 Feb 1995, Richard F. Delano wrote: > > > I just spotted in a copy of _Hindsight_ for sale in Boston at Nuggets in > > Kenmore Square. The price? A definite bargain at $24!!! They also had > From eemsho77@Calvin.EDU Thu Mar 2 15:03 PST 1995 From: Eve Emshoff Subject: Re: Tshirt ... Cc: "Morten.Skjefte" , Church On Thu, 2 Mar 1995, Smith, Brian wrote: > > > > From ThomasIrv@aol.com Fri Feb 24 14:53:15 1995 > > > On the lyrical side, I LOVE "software sings and hardware hears." > > > What song is that from btw? > > KINGS !!! You're expelled from the group ! No t-shirt for you, blasphemer > ! You expel him, and we're done for!!!!! :) Eve From eemsho77@Calvin.EDU Fri Mar 3 05:08 PST 1995 From: Eve Emshoff Subject: Re: T-shirt design idea (another one) Cc: aiendo@u.washington.edu, seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM On Fri, 3 Mar 1995, Bobby Rothrock wrote: > to, but it sounds do-able..another thing...since i'm sure many many ppl > on here have autographs..do you think it would be legal to scan those and > stick them on the shirt somewhere? anyone with direct contacts to steve or > marty? just another idea.. > What an excellent idea! What are the legal ramifications of this, if any? Also, I was thinking last night (fancy that) and I have one T-shirt idea. We're all debating on what lyrics to put onto the shirt, right? There's been many, many suggested. How about this. . . Large pic on front lyric "software sings. . ." underneath large pic on back lyric "Close to you, hear all you say/even though you're continents away" underneath bit underneath that. . .seance@travel by thought OR seance@Ebay.Sun.COM WHY??????? It is a Computer list after all. We need electronic imagery. And the List IIIIISSSSS named SEANCE, after all. We should have at least something from the album, don't you think? The other T-shirt? That could have a completely different "theme." Eve From FURSTD@BoysTown.ORG Tue Feb 28 06:31 PST 1995 From: FURSTD@BoysTown.ORG (DAVID FURST) Subject: shirt & vote Add one more to the purchaser of shirt count. add 1 vote for: Close to you, hear all you say, Even though you're continents away (then how about the address) Seance@ (followed by - in italics so you have to squint to read) "Travel By Thought" Dave From GOOSENMK@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu Fri Feb 10 13:32 PST 1995 10 Feb 1995 15:31:35 CST From: GOOSENMK@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu Subject: DIDs X-Vms-To: IN%"seance@thechurch.ebay.sun.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT O.K., this list changes every day, maybe even every moment. Which is why I don't plan on moving to a desert island. But here goes. The first one never changes, the rest aren't ranked in any order, and I limit myself to one album per artist: Velvet Underground--1969 Live Bruce Springsteen--Darkness on the Edge of Town The Clash--Sandinista! Bob Dylan--Bringing it all Back Home Beatles--Revolver Rolling Stones--Let It Bleed Nirvana--Nevermind R.E.M.--Document Led Zeppelin--Physical Graffiti Billy Bragg--Brewing Up With Billy Bragg Midnight Oil--Red Sails in the Sunset Game Theory--Lolita Nation Robyn Hitchcock--I Often Dream of Trains Lloyd Cole--Lloyd Cole JudyBats--Down in the Shacks Where the Satellite Dishes Grow Roxy Music--Stranded Shriekback--Oil and Gold XTC--Black Sea Richard Thompson--Daring Adventures wait, there's no more room for ME on the island! I can't swim! Help! Help! Au secour! Hel... Later, Miles From GOOSENMK@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu Mon Feb 13 10:35 PST 1995 13 Feb 1995 12:33:18 CST From: GOOSENMK@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu Subject: Guitar Gods Revisited X-Vms-To: IN%"morten.skjefte@ebay.sun.com", IN%"seance@thechurch.ebay.sun.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT The usually reliable Morten sez: > The thing about guitar-gods is that they are mostly judged on the > amount of npm's (notes per minute) they can produce, which in > my ears never accounts for a good guitar solo. If gg's were > measured on beauty, melodic sense and feeling, the top three > would be Clapton, Marty and Tom Verlaine..... Satriani and > the likes would be playing on the street corners.... :-) > Ok, ok, so I'm biased! :-) I COMPLETLY agree with your criteria here: feel and beauty score way more points than being able to rattle off 128th notes and change keys seventeen times in a measure. But as for your top choices... Verlaine I can agree with, as well as Marty. IMO, Clapton's been "unplugged" (and I DON'T mean acoustic!) since about 1971 or so. But where's Richard Thompson, who can do anything any of your named threesome can do and do it better? I've never seen anyone who combines vituosity with gut-wrenching emotional power OR hilarious playfulness (whichever's appropriate for the song) the way that Thompson does. He can play "Two Left Feet" as a neo-cajun stomp or a neo-cubist stutter, depending on his mood. I've seen him live three times, the last from the front row last April, and he's never been less than awe-inspiring. Marty has a wonderful grasp of texture and keen ability--gosh, I can't believe I'm saying this, since I love Marty's playing--but Thompson is in a class by himself. Later, Miles From GOOSENMK@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu Wed Feb 15 13:24 PST 1995 15 Feb 1995 15:22:14 CST From: GOOSENMK@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu Subject: Blue Aeroplanes X-Vms-To: IN%"seance@thechurch.ebay.sun.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT While I know of no Blue Aeroplanes list per se, the Jazz Butcher list often features discussion of the Aeroplanes. The Jazz Butcher Conspiracy and the Blue Aeroplanes often feature many of the same members (Alex Lee, who'd I'd pick second only to Richard Thompson in the geetar god survey, plays on many of the Aeroplanes' albums as well as the last three Jazz Butcher efforts, and Pat Fish, the Butcher himself, is all over the Aeroplanes' latest, _Rough Music_), hang out together, and so forth. The JBC even played a few songs at the Blue Aeroplanes' recent 10th anniversary gig. For those interested, the Jazz Butcher list is at jbc-list-request@pasture.ecn.purdue.edu We're a friendly lot, and Pat Fish and other Conspiracy members often post to the list themselves, AND traffic is light, so come on over! And for my one and only Church show to date, it was just Tom Verlaine solo opening for the boys, no Blue Aeroplanes. Waaah! Later, Miles From gsa@panix.com Wed Dec 7 17:26 PST 1994 From: Gary Assa Cc: seance Subject: Re: Somewhere Else > I have a question about obtaining the Somewhere Else CD. Here is a brief > background: Once I got SA, I sent in the $2 for the SE CD, which Arista > sent me. For reasons I won't get into, I no longer have SE. You should not have given it to your girlfriend. You knew she would leave you without your Church material because 'you like it.' > not done. I called Arista (the 800 # that Morten gave us is now a Cranes > hotline BTW) and everyone there had their heads up their *** and did not > know about any companion CD. > Since Arista no longer carries the Church, they give give two shit's about the Churc now. I am sure you are out of luck. From gsa@panix.com Sat Dec 17 07:57 PST 1994 From: Gary Assa Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Subject: Re: just wondering > Well, I guess things are slow here on the list, but that's understandable. Any > wondering why there are only 3 known dates (to my knowledge) here in the LA are What are these dates? I am considering taking a vacation, and here is an excuse. From gsa@panix.com Mon Jan 9 18:01 PST 1995 From: Gary Assa Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Subject: Re: Church rips off Boston? > I was listening to "Fly Home" the other day and noticed how much the > guitar sounds near the end of the song are like the guitar sounds used > by Boston. Has anybody else noticed this? > Funny thing, I thought the same exact thing. From gsa@panix.com Mon Jan 9 18:03 PST 1995 From: Gary Assa Subject: Monday Morning Today, I was on hold for Microsolf Access help, and the song on hold was Monday Morning. Schwing! Microsoft has their own DJ, and they announced the Church, and there it was. I wonder if it was a coincidence that it was on Monday morning. --------------------------------------------------- 1. Earth is 98% full. Please delete anyone you can. 2. I came, I saw, I deleted all your files. 3. The world will end in 5 minutes. Please log out. From gsa@panix.com Wed Feb 1 18:20 PST 1995 From: Gary Assa Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM, info-seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Subject: Re: subscribing > I would like to join the Church mailing list. > Could I please have some information on how I might > join. Thanks you. > > William Smith Hey, are you a Kennedy? From gsa@panix.com Mon Feb 20 18:29 PST 1995 From: Gary Assa Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Subject: Re: Steve and Marty, Comedians > > Omaha, on the Starfish tour, Steve introduced "Unsubstantiated" by saying, > > "This is a song we wrote today while ironing our shirts." Everyone, of > > course, had on wrinkled shirts. They did this on the second leg of their 1988 Starfish tour. > Well, there's always the standard response to "Happy Hunting Ground" > requests: "We left our orchestra back at home." Hey! I requested this in Philly during 1990 GAF tour, and that is what they said. Wow! From Greg_Collins@UB.com Fri Feb 10 15:28 PST 1995 BF342697B5987CD98825615F008004F1; Fri, 10 Feb 95 15:28:27 From: Greg Collins/UB Networks Subject: DIDs X-Importance: High Ok, Time to un-lurk, in no particular order: The Church Heyday The Chills Submarine Bells Simple Minds Sparkle in the Rain Big Audio Dynamite This is B.A.D. The Pretenders Learning to Crawl, Pretenders I The Clash London Calling The Who Quadrophenia Miles Davis Bitches Brew, Kind of Blue Stan Getz Anniversary Sarah Vaughn The Roulette Years John Coltrane Blue Trane From Guerilla@cris.com Thu Dec 1 09:08 PST 1994 From: Guerilla Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Subject: Re: Cast your vote!! I should probably just have posted this to Jason, as I'm sure nobody really gives a rip about MY fave songs albums. Scott Mikusko thinks: BLURRED CRUSADE is (my) favourite album. It always reminds me of winter term living in the dorms at MSU. Not that that is exactly good... :) Top three songs? Hmmm. Er. Uh... Myrrh Two Places at Once Antenna That's too hard really, I mean there are many great songs. TPaO may seem too new or cliche, but I REALLY love that tune. I picked Antenna because I woke up with the guitar/mandolin parts in my head this morning... -Scott The Internet Guerilla From Guerilla@cris.com Thu Dec 1 09:10 PST 1994 From: Guerilla Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Subject: Re: The list (Was: Re: i'd like to subscribe) On Thu, 1 Dec 1994, Morten Skjefte wrote: > available to play with... :-) I will be looking into setting > the lists up as digests also, if there still is a demand for that.... YES !! YES!!! (Scott does back-flips, cartwheels, and passes out cigars here at the office) YES!!! DIGEST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -Scott From Guerilla@cris.com Wed Dec 7 13:45 PST 1994 From: Guerilla Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Subject: Re: The Votes Are In!! That was great seeing all the tallies. I'd like to thank you Jason for going through all that trouble to get an idea of what we are all listening to. A funny idea I just had, is something that people over on the Marillion mailing list (Freaks) have done over the past year. The Freaks list jave been making their own T-shirts with the band logos and the mailing list internet address. All for fun, not trying to make a profit or anything. I imagine a Seance mailing list shirt: really trippy paisly shirts with our own logo, and SEANCE@thechurch.ebay.sun.com. If only there could be cheap paislies to find.... Now, I AM NOT saying I am going to go to the trouble of ordering, making, and distributing the shirts. I'm far, far too lazy for such a project. Just thinking out load... -Scott From Guerilla@cris.com Thu Dec 29 07:02 PST 1994 From: Guerilla Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Subject: Re: mtv unplugged On Thu, 29 Dec 1994 Beebster@aol.com wrote: > > Dave Jones > PO Box 9364 > Wyoming MI 49509 > USA > > Hope this helps!! > > - Cath This guy has quite a list of videos, I met him at the East Lansing CD/Tape show. I know that most tapes he has are $25 US (that's with the postage included). There's also Grand Rapids Compact Disc, which I don't have the address of offhand. They carry quite a bit of imported CDs and such. It's funny I see Jones's address here on the net, as I was getting ready to order some videos from him next week... Something about the Grand Rapids area of Michigan that is a hotbed of progressive and obscure European pop/rock/folk stuff... whatever it is, it's awesome. -Scott From Guerilla@cris.com Thu Dec 29 12:01 PST 1994 From: Guerilla Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Subject: Re:Grand Rapids CD On Thu, 29 Dec 1994 Beebster@aol.com wrote: > >There's also Grand Rapids Compact Disc, which I don't have the address of > >offhand. They carry quite a bit of imported CDs and such. > > Their address is: > > Grand Rapids CD > 67 54th St > Wyoming MI 49548 > Phone (616) 531-1707 > Fax: (616) 616-531-1778 > > Both Dave Jones (who I mentioned in an earlier post) and Scott at Grand > Rapids CD have been helping me enormously with my collections for years. > While I'm on the subject, I suppose I should also mention Greg Biggs at CVC > Collectables in Ohio, as he's not only a great record dealer but also a huge > Church fan himself! You can reach him at: > > CVC Collectables > PO Box 507 > Celina OH 45822 > phone (419) 586-6636 > fax (419) 586-6763 > > - Cath :D > Most cool! It's been a long time since I've been to GR, I see GRCD changed their address! They used to be on Division Street... -Scott From IERANO_J@DD.PALMER.EDU Fri Jan 20 18:41 PST 1995 From: IERANO_J@DD.PALMER.EDU Subject: introducing... X-Vms-To: IN%"seance@thechurch.ebay.sun.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Dear Churchgoers, Being an Australian, I know the band well (not personally!) and have seen them on about 6 to 7 occasions; all sensational. Back when I was at high school, I remember hearing She never Said on 2JJ (fellow countrymen will recall this anarchic station), and then they were on Countdown playing probably Unguarded Moment. Countdown was like an Aussie Top of the Pops, which I always considered a bad show until I experienced MTV here in the US where I am living now as a student. I can recall fond memories of mid-seventies gigs in Sydney at the Chevron, Tivoli, Manly Vale hotel, and others. Incidentally, at the Manly Vale, at the time that Seance was just out, myself and friends roared madly at the band to play, you guessed it, Travel by Thought. At that time this song was quite a piece to experience...you should have heard it live! (Sorry, correction above: MID-EIGHTIES) I recall the two occasions on which I passed Mr Kilbey in the streets of Sydney all those days ago, and felt good that here was a great band roaming wild in the streets of my home town. Best songs: Tear it All Away: That guitar intro and sliding bass... Life speeds up: My god, those bells at the end... Too many others to mention...what a band. Regards, Joe Ierano From IERANO_J@DD.PALMER.EDU Mon Jan 23 17:10 PST 1995 From: IERANO_J@DD.PALMER.EDU Subject: intro X-Vms-To: IN%"seance@thechurch.ebay.sun.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Dear Churchgoers, Being an Australian, I have seen the band on at least 6 occasions - all ssensational. I remember one of their first tunes on the radio: "She never said" (station 2JJ, for all you Aussies) and when they were on local show "COuntdown" I think. Countdown was like an Aussie Top of the Pops, which I considered was bad until seeing MTV. (I am living in the US whilst studying). Fond memories I have of gigs in Sydney. One that is relevant to our current discussion is when they played Travel by Thought at the Manly Vale Hotel, after we shouted at the band to play it back in mid 80s I think. You should have heard it LIVE. What a band... Fave sond Favourite songs: Tear it All Away, Almost with you, Life speeds up, Dome. Album: Blurred Crusade Video: Ripple I also recall Steve Kilbey walking the streets of Sydney years ago, on two occasions...felt good that members of a great band were running wild in the streets of my home town. Any chance of a gig in Davenport, Iowa, Steve? Ciao all, Joe Ierano. From Ivan9586@aol.com Mon Dec 12 17:13 PST 1994 From: Ivan9586@aol.com Subject: Subscribe Me Please enter my subscription to this newsgroup. Thanks. From JBatsMail@aol.com Wed Nov 30 12:13 PST 1994 From: JBatsMail@aol.com Subject: australian bands hello all - speaking of good australian bands, i had the great pleasure of playing with a band called SWIRL in Raleigh NC and Charleston SC in October. they are a three-piece and are obviously quite Church-influenced. in fact, Ben Aylward, the guitarist/singer bears quite a resemblance to Marty W-P himself. i had a talk with him after the show and he admitted to being quite a Church fan himself - they're all extremely nice and their most recent CD is called "The Last Unicorn" so look for it. welcome to all our new international and domestic members! paul From JMHESS@eworld.com Thu Dec 15 21:27 PST 1994 From: JMHESS@eworld.com Sender: "JMHESS" Subject: subscribe Please add me to the list. From JMHESS@eworld.com Thu Dec 15 21:36 PST 1994 From: JMHESS@eworld.com Sender: "JMHESS" Subject: subscribe Dear Morten, Please add me to the list. From JMHESS@eworld.com Wed Dec 21 23:03 PST 1994 From: JMHESS@eworld.com Sender: "JMHESS" Subject: two things A) did the results of the favorite song/album poll come out while I was thoroughly offline? If so, could someone who has a copy please send it to this address (I will get it)? My lovely host is also curious as to the results. B) Could you resubscribe me, please, on January 1st? If it would be easier for me to just remind you later, I can do so. --Nicki address:NeekeeMH@music.cc.uga.edu P.S. Could you also tell me the nam,e of the fellow in the US who was offering the five inch CD? I agreed to buy one and then lost the address. From JMHESS@eworld.com Wed Dec 21 23:15 PST 1994 From: JMHESS@eworld.com Sender: "JMHESS" Subject: favorite (again) Okay, so this is a bit plebe, but my favorite Church-esque possession is this: an autographed copy (promo,albeit) of Remote Luxury, to some fellow who isn't me...guy named Rick who was stupid enough (most likely) to either sell or give it away. Oh yes, and a copy of Blurred Crusade (I think) with the angel cover, which I think never made it off vinyl. Both I got in Chattavegas, Tennessee, the center of cultural activity that it is. Does anybody know anything about the angel cover? As far as I can tell there's nothing special about it, except that I have yet to see another. Oh yes, and I almost obtained a copy of SingSongs via a friend in Boston, but the chick in front of her grabbed it. My friend offered her all kinds of stuff, but the chick wouldn't give in. Was that, perchance, one of you? --Nicki (care of JMHess) From bendaj@belnet.bellevue.k12.wa.us Mon Nov 28 12:16 PST 1994 From: Jason Benda please subscribe From bendaj@belnet.bellevue.k12.wa.us Tue Nov 29 12:20 PST 1994 From: Jason Benda Subject: Mass Hello everyone. My name is Jason, writing from Seattle. I'm pretty happy about finding a Church chat line. One of the best bands ever. A few quick personal opinions: Best song: Life Speeds Up Best album: Preist = Aura (it's so well done) Best Kilbey Utterance: The only time he's ever heard to scream: at the end of "One Day" (turn your volume up really loud at the end, it's quite cool.) Best Church Show: On tour with Echo and the Bunnymen (stateside) in '86. Best Church Show (with Kilbey/Piper as the Church): April '94 in a small Laundramat/Bar in Seattle called "Sit 'n Spin". They had two, one hour all acoustic shows with only one hundred people allowed in. I waited three hours outside before the show and no one even showed up until about an hour before it started! THE CHURCH FOR CHRIST'S SAKE! Anyway, it was really really cool and Kilbey was looking kinda chubby and with that baby face of his he's so damn cute. Piper, as always, the total stud, cracking jokes and laughing with the crowd. Fantastic. peace From bendaj@belnet.bellevue.k12.wa.us Wed Nov 30 09:21 PST 1994 From: Jason Benda Subject: drummers Anyone know what happened to good old Dick Ploog? What about J.D. who played on the P = A effort? I really liked his style. Another excellent Austrailian band is NICE. Anyone else heard of them? From bendaj@belnet.bellevue.k12.wa.us Wed Nov 30 15:00 PST 1994 From: Jason Benda Sender: Jason Benda Reply-To: Jason Benda Peter Rasmussen, Thanks for a very well written article. I enjoyed it quite a lot. I haven't thought about it before but you're quite right about that comment of Kilbey using "bullshit" very authoritativly on "Authority". Sounds very true, almost a nice feeling to it (amazing what his voice can do for words). Remember when he said "I felt so fuckin' embarassed" on Gold Afternoon Fix's "You're Still Beautiful"? It sounded horrible, I cringed, like he was trying to get shock value rather than true meaning/feeling. I'm sure he regrets it now. QUESTION TO ALL: How many hits of LSD has Steven done in his lifetime? From bendaj@belnet.bellevue.k12.wa.us Thu Dec 8 12:22 PST 1994 From: Jason Benda Subject: Shirts / other things Thank you very much Mr. Withrow for compiling all of that information. I'm sure the band would be very happy about it, as am I. I think the idea for shirts is fantastic, although I think it would be easier, and just as cool to have T-shirts made up. This is how I envision it: White T-shirts with one giant paisley in the middle. Above or belowthe paisley we would have our address and also above or below (whichever the address is not) some Church lyric we all (or majority) agree would be fitting. This would be very nice. So there's my artisitc input, now someone else do all the work. One more thing. Was the girl who sang in HEX named Donna Thayer. I have the two albums taped on cassette but I'm not sure if this is her name. I think she used to be in a band called "Game Theory". Anyone know where she is now? A most angelic voice. LET'S MAKE T-SHIRTS! Jason Benda From bendaj@belnet.bellevue.k12.wa.us Tue Dec 13 06:50 PST 1994 From: Jason Benda Subject: acousticness One of the coolest things about seeing Marty and Steve play in the "Sit 'n Spin" laundromat in Seattle (April '94) was that they actually did some laundry before the show. Another neat things was that backstage was a big empty storage room ('60 x '40) and Steve was riding a mountain bike around and around in a circle before the show (he's into vertigo). He had a "bat-caver", maroon-died hair, mesh stretch pants wearing girl siting with him at a far removed table backstage kissing all over him, drinking wine and smoking. Wow, rock stars have all the luck. Oh yes, the two, one hour sets were fabulous. Steve whole-heartedly thanked Arista for allowing them to do such a show and he wondered why everybody in the crowd wasn't wearing "grunge" clothes but then that's still kind of a big joke (we'll be able to live it all down in a year or two). PS. The song "Providence": A fabulous song that I heard for the first time at this show but I have no idea if it's available to buy. Please send info oh knowledgable ones. jasonb. From bendaj@belnet.bellevue.k12.wa.us Mon Jan 9 09:54 PST 1995 From: Jason Benda Subject: church (fwd) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Jason Benda Subject: church All-Music Guide (C) 1994 by Matrix Software, Big Rapids, MI 49307 Please submit corrections or additional albums for this artist (also bios, sidemen, tracks, ratings, and reviews) at Internet Address: AMG@ALLMUSIC.FERRIS.EDU All-Music Guidelines in file: ALLMUSICHELP -------------------------------------------------------------------- Artist : The Church Genre : Rock Style : Alternative rock, Contemporary, Hard rock, Popular, 80's Rock Instr. : Group Rating : importance (2) popularity (2) All-Music Guide Biography The Church, from Australia, combines a moddish Bowie-ish delivery with Byrds and midperiod Beatles arrangements that dip into psychedelia. "Under the Milky Way" has been their biggest hit so far. ~ Rick Clark ---------- Roots & Influences ---------- Byrds Smith, Patti Beatles Birthdate & Place : Australia AMG Artist ID # : P000003899 Chronological Album List |Date| Label | Number |R S T|Rating --------------------------------+----+----------+--------+-----+------ Priest = Aura |1992|Arista |18683 |R S | Good Russian Autumn Heart |1990|Arista |2068 | | OK Gold Afternoon Fix |1990|Arista |8579 |R | Good Blurred Crusade, The |1989|Arista |8564 |R | Good Starfish |1988|Arista |8521 |R |+BestA Hindsight |1988| | |R | Good Conception |1988|Carrere |229 | S | Good Heyday |1986|Arista |8567 |R S | BestA Gold Fish - Jokes Magic & Souve|1986|Pioneer |24606 | | Remote Luxury |1985|Arista |8566 |R S | BestA Seance |1983|Arista |8565 |R S | Good Temperature Drop in Downtown Wi|1982|Carrere |257 | S | Sing Songs |1982|Carrere |5 | S | Church, The |1982|Carrere |130 | S T| Good Blurred Crusade |1982|Arista |8564 | S T| Good Of Skins & Heart |1981|Arista |8563 |R S | Good All-Music Guide Album Details (Alphabetical Order) ----------------------- All-Music Guide Album ------------------------ Album : Blurred Crusade Artist : The Church Rating : Good Genre : Rock Time : 45:15 min Date : 1982 (release) AMG ID : R000003978 (album inprint) --------- Album Releases --------- CD Arista ARCD-8564 CS Arista AC-8564 LP Arista AL-8564 1982 MC Carrere 140 CD Arista 8564 ------- Album Personnel/Sidemen ------- Bob Clearmountain - Producer Steve Kilbey - v/k/b Peter Koppes - Guitar Richard Ploog - Drums Marty Wilson-Piper - Guitar -------- Album Tracks -------- Almost With You When You Were Mine Field Of Mars An Interlude Secret Corners Just For You Fire Burns, A To Be In Your Eyes You Took Don't Look Back ----------------------- All-Music Guide Album ------------------------ Album : Blurred Crusade, The Artist : The Church Rating : Good Charts : Rock & Roll Disc #4/4.5 Genre : Rock Date : 1989 (release) AMG ID : R000078159 --------- Album Releases --------- CD Arista ARCD-8564 ------- AMG Album Reviews ------- ... it still out-polls SGT. PEPPER in Australia as an all-time tour de force. The 10 tracks, though independent compositionally, seem to intertwine as they build gloriously on each other ... melodic and accessible ... Byrdsy electric jangle ... laced with silvery acoustics and occasional classical gut-string excursions. This disc stands as the band's most fully realized work. ~ Brad Bradberry, Rock & Roll Disc. ----------------------- All-Music Guide Album ------------------------ Album : Church, The Artist : Church Rating : Good Genre : Rock Date : 1982 (release) AMG ID : R000033188 --------- Album Releases --------- 1982 MC Carrere 130 EMI 12193 ------- Album Personnel/Sidemen ------- John Bee - Engineer Steve Bywaters - Engineer Bob Clearmountain - Producer Chris Gilbey - Producer Steve Kilbey - v/k/b Peter Koppes - Guitar Richard Ploog - Drums Marty Wilson-Piper - Guitar -------- Album Tracks -------- For A Moment Were Strangers Chrome Injury Unguarded Moment, The Memories In Future Tense Belair Is Where You Live She Never Said Tear It All Away Don't Open The Door To Strange ----------------------- All-Music Guide Album ------------------------ Album : Conception Artist : Church Rating : Good Genre : Rock Date : 1988 (release) AMG ID : R000033189 --------- Album Releases --------- 1988 LP Carrere 229 ------- Album Personnel/Sidemen ------- David Munch Moore - Piano ----------------------- All-Music Guide Album ------------------------ Album : Gold Afternoon Fix Artist : The Church Rating : Good Charts : Billboard #066, entered Mar 31, 1990, on charts 020 weeks Genre : Rock Date : 1990 (release) AMG ID : R000003985 (album inprint) --------- Album Releases --------- CD Arista ARCD-8579 CS Arista AC-8579 1990 LP Arista AL-8579 CD Arista 8579 ------- AMG Album Reviews ------- The dreamlike essence prevails again as a hypnotic backdrop for the band's cryptic lyrics. ~ Donna DiChario ----------------------- All-Music Guide Album ------------------------ Album : Gold Fish - Jokes Magic & Souven Artist : Church Rating : not rated yet Genre : Rock Type : video Date : 1986 (release) AMG ID : R000085709 (album inprint) --------- Album Releases --------- Pioneer 24606 Arista 5707 ----------------------- All-Music Guide Album ------------------------ Album : Heyday Artist : The Church Rating : Best-of-Artist Charts : Billboard #146, entered Jun 21, 1986, on charts 011 weeks Rock & Roll Disc #4/4.5 Genre : Rock Date : 1986 (release) AMG ID : R000003981 (album inprint) --------- Album Releases --------- CD Arista ARCD-8567 1986 LP EMI 3508 CS Arista AC-8567 1985 LP Arista AL-8567 CD Arista 8567 1986 Warner Brothers 25370 ------- AMG Album Reviews ------- On the album before their commerical breakthrough, Kilbey and Company became obsessed with horns and strings. HEYDAY is a lush, intoxicating, damn near concept album with aging (both personal and humanity as a whole) as the tentative subject to be examined. Luckily, the band rocks harder than ever to keep things from getting too weighed down. ~ Brad Bradberry, Rock & Roll Disc. ------- Album Personnel/Sidemen ------- Steve Kilbey - v/k/b Peter Koppes - Guitar Richard Ploog - Drums Marty Wilson-Piper - Guitar ----------------------- All-Music Guide Album ------------------------ Album : Hindsight Artist : The Church Rating : Good Genre : Rock Date : 1988 (release) AMG ID : R000078163 --------- Album Releases --------- CD ------- AMG Album Reviews ------- An EMI import, CD double-pack, is the missing link ... adding B-sides and rare EP tracks to the "hits." ~ Brad Bradberry, Rock & Roll Disc. ----------------------- All-Music Guide Album ------------------------ Album : Of Skins & Heart Artist : The Church Rating : Good Charts : Rock & Roll Disc #3.5/4 Genre : Rock Time : 51:15 min Date : 1981 (release) AMG ID : R000003984 (album inprint) --------- Album Releases --------- CD Arista ARCD-8563 CS Arista AC-8563 1982 LP Arista AL-8563 1981 LP Parlophone 7583 CD Arista 8563 ------- AMG Album Reviews ------- ... wonderfully straightforward four-minute tunes just loaded with hooks ("The Unguarded Moment," "Bel Air," "Tear It All Away") as well as longer, more comtemplative psych. This CD combines the three versions of this album (released in the U.S. and Europe eponymously). ~ Brad Bradberry, Rock & Roll Disc. ------- Album Personnel/Sidemen ------- Steve Kilbey - v/k/b Peter Koppes - Guitar Nick Ward - Drums, Vocal Marty Wilson-Piper - Guitar ----------------------- All-Music Guide Album ------------------------ Album : Priest = Aura Artist : The Church Rating : Good Genre : Rock Time : 64:52 min Date : 1992 (release) AMG ID : R000003986 (album inprint) --------- Album Releases --------- CD Arista 18683-2 1992 CS Arista 18683-4 CD Arista 18683 ------- AMG Album Reviews ------- The Australian quartet returns to their earlier sound with less structured alternative-rock tracks. ~ Donna DiChario ------- Album Personnel/Sidemen ------- Church - Producer Jay Dee Daugherty - Drums Steve Kilbey - Vocal, Bass Peter Koppes - Guitar, Vocal (background) Gavin MacKillop - Producer, Engineer Marty-Wilson Piper - Guitar, Vocal ----------------------- All-Music Guide Album ------------------------ Album : Remote Luxury Artist : The Church Rating : Best-of-Artist Charts : Rock & Roll Disc #3.5/4.5 Genre : Rock Date : 1985 (release) AMG ID : R000003980 (album inprint) --------- Album Releases --------- CD Arista ARCD-8566 CS Arista AC-8566 LP Arista AL-8566 1984 LP Carrere 213 CD Arista 8566 Warner Brothers 25152 ------- AMG Album Reviews ------- Not originally intended as a full-length album (the result of two EPs) ... the arrangements hark back to a more stripped-down acoustic-electric style while the band does add a temporary "fifth member" on keyboards. ~ Brad Bradberry, Rock & Roll Disc. ------- Album Personnel/Sidemen ------- John Bee - Producer, Engineer The Church - Producer ----------------------- All-Music Guide Album ------------------------ Album : Russian Autumn Heart Artist : The Church Rating : OK Genre : Rock Date : 1990 (release) AMG ID : R000003977 (album inprint) --------- Album Releases --------- CD Arista 2068 CD Arista 2068 ----------------------- All-Music Guide Album ------------------------ Album : Seance Artist : The Church Rating : Good Genre : Rock Time : 48:00 min Date : 1983 (release) AMG ID : R000003979 (album inprint) --------- Album Releases --------- CD Arista ARCD-8565 1983 CS Arista AC-8565 1984 LP Carrere 201 CD Arista 8565 ------- AMG Album Reviews ------- ... unquestionably more overtly psychedelic, adding heady T. Rex-type flourishes to already dense arrangements. Others ... can appreciate the detail and mantra-like images/moods offered up by the increasingly mystical Kilbey. To contrast these tracks, he delves into folk-pop ... and perhaps the masterwork of his entire career, the dreamy/spacey ballad "It's No Reason." ~ Brad Bradberry, Rock & Roll Disc. ------- Album Personnel/Sidemen ------- Steve Kilbey - v/k/b Peter Koppes - Guitar Richard Ploog - Drums Marty Wilson-Piper - Guitar ----------------------- All-Music Guide Album ------------------------ Album : Sing Songs Artist : Church Rating : not rated yet Genre : Rock Date : 1982 (release) AMG ID : R000033191 --------- Album Releases --------- 1982 EP Carrere 5 ------- Album Personnel/Sidemen ------- Steve Kilbey - v/k/b Peter Koppes - Guitar Richard Ploog - Drums Marty Wilson-Piper - Guitar ----------------------- All-Music Guide Album ------------------------ Album : Starfish Artist : The Church Rating : Best-of-Artist (First Pick) Charts : Billboard #041, entered Mar 12, 1988, on charts 036 weeks Rock & Roll Disc #4/4 Genre : Rock Time : 45:52 min Date : 1988 (release) AMG ID : R000003983 (album inprint) --------- Album Releases --------- CD Arista ARCD-8521 CS Arista AC-8521 LP Arista AL-8521 1988 LP Arista 208895 CD Arista 8521 ------- AMG Album Reviews ------- On their sixth album, Australia's premier psych-pop band delivers yet another fine collection of thoughtfully distilled, gloriously expansive psychedelia. A more commercial collection than usual; not calculated actually, but finely honed, edited, and concise, with little excess or displays of egocentricity. ~ Brad Bradberry, Rock & Roll Disc. Engaging alternative rock, appealing to a wider range of listeners than their previous output. This album crystallizes the intensely atmospheric layers of bassist Steve Kilbey's lead vocals with swirling guitar work from Peter Koppes and Marty Wilson-Piper, yielding a Top 40 US hit with "Under the Milky Way." ~ Donna DiChario ----------------------- All-Music Guide Album ------------------------ Album : Temperature Drop in Downtown Winterland Artist : Church Rating : not rated yet Genre : Rock Date : 1982 (release) AMG ID : R000033190 --------- Album Releases --------- 1982 10 Carrere 257 ------- Album Personnel/Sidemen ------- Steve Kilbey - v/k/b Peter Koppes - Guitar Richard Ploog - Drums Marty Wilson-Piper - Guitar <1994 1 23> Thank you for using All-Music Guide. . From bendaj@belnet.bellevue.k12.wa.us Mon Jan 9 09:59 PST 1995 From: Jason Benda Sender: Jason Benda Reply-To: Jason Benda Subject: anomaly What is "Temperature Drop in Downtown Winterland" listed as a 1982 release? I have never heard of this before. From bendaj@belnet.bellevue.k12.wa.us Mon Jan 9 10:02 PST 1995 From: Jason Benda Subject: kilbey.s (fwd) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Jason Benda Subject: kilbey.s All-Music Guide (C) 1994 by Matrix Software, Big Rapids, MI 49307 Please submit corrections or additional albums for this artist (also bios, sidemen, tracks, ratings, and reviews) at Internet Address: AMG@ALLMUSIC.FERRIS.EDU All-Music Guidelines in file: ALLMUSICHELP -------------------------------------------------------------------- Artist : Steve Kilbey Genre : Rock Style : Rock Instr. : Vocals, guitar Rating : importance (3) All-Music Guide Biography A member of the Australian band the Church solo albums are British folk pop sounding. ~ All-Music Guide ---------- Related Artists ----------- Go Betweens Church ---------- Roots & Influences ---------- Beatles Bowie, David (early) Byrds AMG Artist ID # : P000004674 Chronological Album List |Date| Label | Number |R S T|Rating --------------------------------+----+----------+--------+-----+------ Slow Crack, The |1989|Rough Trad|70 | |+BestA Earthed |1988|Rykodisc |90043 | S T| Good Unearthed |1987|Enigma |73297 | S | Good All-Music Guide Album Details (Alphabetical Order) ----------------------- All-Music Guide Album ------------------------ Album : Earthed Artist : Steve Kilbey Rating : Good Genre : Rock Date : 1988 (release) AMG ID : R000010836 (album inprint) --------- Album Releases --------- CD Rykodisc RCD-90043 ------- Album Personnel/Sidemen ------- Steve Kilbey - com/eng/mlt -------- Album Tracks -------- Dawn Poems, The Newman Dreambeings White Plague, The Loveletter from Sydney, A Carthage City of Women Hotel Empire Mourns Her Sun Without Tears, The Cornucopia Memory Aphrodite ...The Reality Generators Malfunctioned Napoleon's Army, Christmas Eve, Outside Moscow Sad Little Piano Piece Atlantis Pan Woman Who Was Married to Love, The Agog Earthed ----------------------- All-Music Guide Album ------------------------ Album : Slow Crack, The Artist : Steve Kilbey Rating : Best-of-Artist (First Pick) Genre : Rock Date : 1989 (release) AMG ID : R000010837 (album inprint) --------- Album Releases --------- CD Rough Trade ROUGH-US-70CD CS Rough Trade ROUGH-US-70C LP Rough Trade ROUGH-US-70 ----------------------- All-Music Guide Album ------------------------ Album : Unearthed Artist : Steve Kilbey Rating : Good Genre : Rock Date : 1987 (release) AMG ID : R000010838 (album inprint) --------- Album Releases --------- CD Enigma D2-73297 CS Enigma 4XT-73297 CD Rykodisc RCD-90043 CD Enigma/Capitol D2-73297 CS Enigma/Capitol 4XT-73297 Enigma 73297 ------- Album Personnel/Sidemen ------- Karin Jansson - K/G/V Steve Kilbey Russell Kilbey - Fretless bass guitar <1994 1 24> Thank you for using All-Music Guide. . From bendaj@belnet.bellevue.k12.wa.us Fri Jan 13 12:23 PST 1995 From: Jason Benda Subject: lyrics I can't explain the total elation I felt when I finally figured out (although I wasn't consciously trying) the following verses from P=A's "Kings": "In distorted haze/The zebras graze." Because, y'see, Steve pronounces it "zeBBB-ra" with the "short" "e" sound whereas all us yanks pronounce it with a "long" "e" like zeeeeeee-bra". I couldn't figure out what he was saying but when I did I was quite happy. This was a cool revelation. Then, the image that these lyrics conjure up is fantastic, very trippy, and mystical, and that was a cool thing for me as well. I'm glad they don't print their lyrics. Sastified, but never spent, Jason From bendaj@belnet.bellevue.k12.wa.us Tue Jan 24 09:46 PST 1995 From: Jason Benda Subject: worst church productions First off, anyone who says that ANY song off of P=A is bad (except ripple) is sentenced to 10 hours in a room, chained down, listening to nothing but the new Shampoo EP. "Electric Lash" is a gruesome joke "Remote Luxury" is a horrible instrumental "Two Places at Once" is pathetic I am very "disenchanted" by these tracks. From bendaj@belnet.bellevue.k12.wa.us Fri Feb 10 12:26 PST 1995 From: Jason Benda Subject: DIDs Stone Roses Stone Roses The Church Priest=Aura Stereolab Switched On! Red House Painters Red House Painters (1) Durutti Column Valuable Passages Galaxie 500 This is our music Tsunami The Heart's Tremolo American Music Club Engine Felt Ignite the Seven Cannons New Order Brotherhood thanks. Jason From bendaj@belnet.bellevue.k12.wa.us Tue Feb 21 09:13 PST 1995 From: Jason Benda Subject: humor At the all acoustic show at the Sit 'n Spin here in Seattle last April I guess the funniest thing Steve said was how he really appreciated ARISTA letting them do such a small tour but he wished they would have reminded him to bring his "flannel" wardrobe for the Seattle show because he felt out of place--or something like that. Even though we Seattlites were pretty sick of grunge jokes by that time it was still funny coming from someone as precocious (sp?) and harmless as Mr. Kilbey. Actually, the funniest part of the whole show was afterward when he was riding a mountainbike around in circles in the back room. Now that's comedy! Scot, you copy? From bendaj@belnet.bellevue.k12.wa.us Wed Mar 1 13:06 PST 1995 From: Jason Benda Subject: "slogan" The more I think about it, the less I like "...continents away..." only for the reason that it sounds too lovey-dovey, like we all love eachother or something. And if we mean by this a reference to understanding and hearing The Church/Kilbey, Wilson-Piper then we should examine our thinking as not one of us is "mates" with them and far be it a possibility of ever "hearing" all kilbey has to say. I'll still buy a shirt, of course, regardless of what's on it but I really like any of the forementioned snipits having to do with electronic/computers, i.e. "I embraced a machine...", "software sings and hardware hears", etc., and I'm not even a computer geek--I think. personal favourite: "Our instruments have no way, of measuring this feeling" simply because I believe Kilbey is saying that he has songs/material in his head that he wants to do but there's no way he can represent those emotions through instruments (and that's about as big a statement he can make) and on the other hand, in regard to ourselves, our instruments are of course fiber optics, satellites, and computers, which could never understand the way each one of us actually feels about what we do here, and I think that's pretty cool. From jtippitt@UTM.Edu Thu Feb 9 16:08 PST 1995 From: Jason Tippitt Subject: Introduction Greetings! My name is Jason Tippitt, I live in the United States, in the occaisonally glorious (tongue firmly in cheek) state of Tennessee. I'm a senior in college, majoring in literature, probably going to stay and get a philosophy degree. I write columns for the school paper and try not to get into *too* much trouble doing so. I saw this list on the WWW, and *had* to join. I first encountered the Church (suddenly I feel like I'm on a religous list) when I was a junior or senior in high school. The first album I heard was _Gold Afternoon Fix_, but I bought that only *after* seeing them on "MTV Unplugged" and being blown away by their sound. (I *still* think their performance of "House of the Rising Sun" on that show should've been on the recent "Unplugged" compilation...the best bit of music ever on the show, IMHO.) And here's Mecca. My other musical tastes run pretty wide...Bob Dylan, Leonard Cohen, Queensryche, Simon & Garfunkel, Queen, Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds... Enough. Looking forward to being here! --Jason R. Tippitt ============================================================================== Preaching from the floor again jason r. tippitt the same old sad song, jtippitt@unix1.utm.edu "Bartender...bring another drink ut martin, english major for their favorite son." would-be benevolent tyrant :) Where did it all go wrong? What's the use in even holding on? Here's to love, hate...and promises. --Queensryche, "Promised Land" ============================================================================== From jtippitt@UTM.Edu Fri Feb 10 09:46 PST 1995 From: Jason Tippitt Subject: Re: Desert Island Discs Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM On Fri, 10 Feb 1995 4MIJARES_J@spcvxa.spc.edu wrote: > I'm not sure if this was done in the past, but I'm slightly curious as to what > particular CD's all you guys and gals would prefer to have with you in case > you got stranded on a island or something? Here's my list: > > [no particular order BTW] > [snip] Good question. Let's see: The Church--Starfish and Gold Afternoon Fix Jack Frost Queen--A Kind of Magic and Innuendo Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds--The Good Son U2--The Joshua Tree Bob Dylan--Highway 61 Revisited Lou Reed--Magic and Loss "Until the End of the World" soundtrack Peter Gabriel--Shaking the Tree Johnny Cash--American Recordings and the Queensryche compilation a friend made me --Jason R. Tippitt From jtippitt@UTM.Edu Sun Feb 19 21:25 PST 1995 From: Jason Tippitt Subject: Re: "esoteric arts" Cc: The Church Actually, I believe the _Necronomicon_ was originally a concept created by H.P. Lovecraft as a plot device for some of his stories. The Order of the Golden Dawn was an offshoot of the Theosophical societies which prospered in the British Empire and the United States from the late 19th Century to the early part of the 20th. Crowley was a member, as was the poet/mystic A.E. (George Housman); William Butler Yeats was also involved for some time, and used his studies of the occult in this period as a backdrop for some of his more supernaturally-oriented works of poetry and metaphysics. Gee, can we tell who did a paper on Yeats and the Order for his Irish Literature class? :) Shalom, Jason ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ looks like my brighter side This Jason R. Tippitt has gotten a bit darker is University of Tennessee/Martin i must have stepped over not English/Philosphy my four-leaf clover here. 'cause someone drank my JTippitt@unix1.utm.edu half-filled cup of water (--extreme, 1995) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Sun, 19 Feb 1995, David Barnard wrote: > On Sun, 19 Feb 1995 ThomasIrv@aol.com wrote: > > > > For what it's worth, Steve Kilbey writes in the liner notes to Hindsight that > > the title of "The Golden Dawn" comes from a magical society (or is it > > magickal?) and that was Richard's idea for a title. The society in question, > > I believe, was founded by or included the infamous Alastair Crowly. > > This wouldn't be NECRONOMRICAN would it? > > djbarnard@ucdavis.edu > From JesusUK@aol.com Wed Jan 18 23:16 PST 1995 From: JesusUK@aol.com Subject: Subscribe If there are Church dealings and discussions going on here, I want in. Thanks From JesusUK@aol.com Sat Jan 21 11:25 PST 1995 From: JesusUK@aol.com Subject: Hello Thank you to whoever it was that let me know about this group. I've been a devoted maniac since the first time I heard "Already Yesterday." It doesn't seem that long ago. How time flies. Anyway, let's get to the information. I've seen them twice ("Starfish"," Gold"). I have all the albums, minus "Hindsight" and "Quick Smoke". On video, I have Goldfish and a live show from Milan, from the "Starfish" tour. As far as audio tapes go, I have a "Starfish" show from NYC, "Gold" show from Chicago, and another "Gold" show from Australia. Seen as though I am also a huge Marty fan, I have all three of his solo albums ("In Reflection" tacked on to "Art Attack"), and a live tape from Minneapolis. My favorite album is "Blurred Crusade", but "Sometime Anywhere" is a close second. I could never pin down one favorite song. A not so thought out list would include: "For a Moment Were Strangers", Secret Corners", "Fly", "Disappear", "Already Yestersday", "Antenna", "Old Flame", "my Little Problem", and "The Maven." Favorite Marty songs are "Water", "Melody of the Rain", and "Will I Start to Bleed." By the way, my name id Bill Benson. I will be 24 in two weeks. I live in Chicago. I run an independent record label named Tantrum Records. Others bands that peak my easily peaked interest: Gear Daddies, Madder Rose, Judybats, Guadalcanal Diary, Big Hat, Poi Dog Pondering, Suede Chain, Rem, Jawbox, Posies, Wonder Stuff, and The Drovers (shameless plug). Thanks for reading my pointless babble. It really meant alot. No, I really mean it. Bill Benson From JesusUK@aol.com Sat Jan 21 19:20 PST 1995 From: JesusUK@aol.com Subject: Hello Thank you to whoever it was that let me know about this group. I've been a devoted maniac since the first time I heard "Already Yesterday." It doesn't seem that long ago. How time flies. Anyway, let's get to the information. I've seen them twice ("Starfish"," Gold"). I have all the albums, minus "Hindsight" and "Quick Smoke". On video, I have Goldfish and a live show from Milan, from the "Starfish" tour. As far as audio tapes go, I have a "Starfish" show from NYC, "Gold" show from Chicago, and another "Gold" show from Australia. Seen as though I am also a huge Marty fan, I have all three of his solo albums ("In Reflection" tacked on to "Art Attack"), and a live tape from Minneapolis. My favorite album is "Blurred Crusade", but "Sometime Anywhere" is a close second. I could never pin down one favorite song. A not so thought out list would include: "For a Moment Were Strangers", Secret Corners", "Fly", "Disappear", "Already Yestersday", "Antenna", "Old Flame", "my Little Problem", and "The Maven." Favorite Marty songs are "Water", "Melody of the Rain", and "Will I Start to Bleed." By the way, my name is Bill Benson. I will be 24 in two weeks. I live in Chicago. I run an independent record label named Tantrum Records. Others bands that peak my easily peaked interest: Gear Daddies, Madder Rose, Judybats, Guadalcanal Diary, Big Hat, Poi Dog Pondering, Suede Chain, Rem, Jawbox, Posies, Wonder Stuff, and The Drovers (shameless plug). Thanks for reading my pointless babble. It really meant alot. No, I really mean it. Bill Benson From JesusUK@aol.com Tue Jan 24 11:36 PST 1995 From: JesusUK@aol.com Cc: mbromley@dme.nt.gov.au Subject: Worst I wonder if I'll get harassed for this? 1. Constant in Opal 2. Blood Money 3. Maybe These Boys Bill From JesusUK@aol.com Wed Jan 25 14:39 PST 1995 From: JesusUK@aol.com Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Subject: Re: Worst songs nelsonk wrote >"The Disillusionist" is one of my favorites off P=A! that's two votes for "Disillusionist." Great song From 5ES8MONROEJ@VMS.CSD.MU.EDU Fri Dec 2 08:42 PST 1994 From: John Monroe <5ES8MONROEJ@VMS.CSD.MU.EDU> Subject: unsubscribe X-Envelope-To: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM X-Vms-To: IN%"seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Unsubscribe me, please. thank you all for the interesting discussions of a truly wonderful group! John Monroe From pesusich@csulb.edu Tue Dec 20 16:06 PST 1994 From: John Pesusich Cc: pesusich@csulb.edu Subject: unSubscribe UNSCRIBE pesusich@csulb.edu CLASSES ARE OVER FOR THE SEMESTER, GONE FOR A MONTH!!!!! LATER..... From jws4p@fermi.clas.virginia.edu Mon Dec 5 14:14 PST 1994 5 Dec 94 17:11 EST From: John William Stanmeyer Subject: unsubscribe Unsubscribe -- John Stanmeyer/jws4p@virginia.edu/504 Rugby Rd Ch'ville VA 22903/804-979-5457 From John.Brown-OSullivan@vuw.ac.nz Wed Nov 30 20:20 PST 1994 +1300 From: John.Brown-OSullivan@vuw.ac.nz Sender: John.Brown-OSullivan@vuw.ac.nz Subject: i'd like to subscribe subscribe (just in case Morten has automated the listserver) Well, I'm back from a three week trip. Today I asked for Fake at several shops - no joy. Does anyone know what the story is in NZ? John From John.Brown-OSullivan@vuw.ac.nz Sun Dec 11 15:43 PST 1994 12 Dec 1994 12:40:42 +1300 From: John.Brown-OSullivan@vuw.ac.nz X-Sender: johnbos@matai.vuw.ac.nz Subject: t-shirts Would raspet@homer.acs.bethel.edu mind explaining what Type EXT TT for a surprize! (fwd was all about? I got 57 kb of junk. That said, here are my thoughts on the t-shirt idea. It sounds great, altho the oft-quoted $20 US makes me quail (what's that? $40 NZ?), esp. as I just spent $90 on a pair of crap trousers! I'm not sure whether people want a t-shirt or a paisley shirt. If it's a t-shirt, then it should be a good Church-y colour. Black seems a bit crude, the Church are a cut above Robert Smith and his kind. (Altho I think they all wore black for Ripple, not to mention the GAF pics, gee maybe they are goths). How about grey? Nah, umm... not white, yellow, green... purple! Yeah, as long as it was a rich, dark purple, kind of like the colour of those butterflies in The Hobbit. A picture on both sides? Or just on the front? I would love to have the P=A picture on a t-shirt, but I suppose that's out. Or the Starfish cover, or just any picture of the 4 boys. Or maybe Steve on one side, Marty on the other! Definitely some writing - maybe a verse, or half of one. How about the first verse of Destination? Or some lines from Aura? Oh yeah, the font. I hate the style of writing on Heyday and GAF - how about some lettering like that on SF and P=A? That would only be legible if it was quite large, I guess. John From John.Brown-OSullivan@vuw.ac.nz Sun Dec 11 18:05 PST 1994 12 Dec 1994 15:03:53 +1300 From: John.Brown-OSullivan@vuw.ac.nz X-Sender: johnbos@matai.vuw.ac.nz Subject: Re: The Band's Faves I too had to laugh when 3/4 of the Church picked Happy Hunting Ground! >I was curious as to what Chaos was because P=A hadn't come out yet. When >I heard the song I laughed hard picturing the joy MWP evidently got from >doing those clever back up vocals. I am almost 100% certain that Marty had nothing to do with the vocals. When I first heard P=A, I knew very little about who did what in the Church, and I assumed that Steve did the low voice and one of the others did the high voice on songs like Aura, Chaos etc. But then I heard Unearthed, with the same kind of voices, and I realised that it's all Steve. Still not convinced? Well I once read a review of P=A that reckoned that 'when the songs were done Steven Kilbey ducked into a recording studio to dream up the words' and also that Jay Dee helped out with bass, keyboards and backing vocals! So my guess is Pete and Marty did no singing on P=A. Pity. >I have the interview on tape. Does any one want me to transcribe it if I >have time over Christmas break (I'm currently engauged in a very >frustrating paper on the feminist economic implications of workfare >in the states. I know you're all fascinated.) Yes please, Peter! John From John.Brown-OSullivan@vuw.ac.nz Mon Dec 12 20:09 PST 1994 13 Dec 1994 17:05:34 +1300 From: John.Brown-OSullivan@vuw.ac.nz X-Sender: johnbos@matai.vuw.ac.nz Subject: Church setlist, and Slak article Magnus, you didn't manage to record that concert, did you? Or do you know whether anyone recorded it? It sounds like a very cool batch of songs. How did they play Reptile - did Steve play Peter's part, or did he play something different? Maybe someone in Sweden could get talking with Steve or Marty and find out a few things, like when they will start on the next album. And that Slak articlesheds light on something I wondered, which is why hasn't Marty released an album since 1992? Maybe Spirit Level didn't do so well, and Ryko have dropped him. In which case, I doubt we will see the Church signing to Ryko. John From John.Brown-OSullivan@vuw.ac.nz Fri Dec 16 20:32 PST 1994 17 Dec 1994 17:30:33 +1300 From: John.Brown-OSullivan@vuw.ac.nz X-Sender: johnbos@matai.vuw.ac.nz Subject: Re: russian autumn heart The combination of RAH and the other songs (all on A Quick Smoke...) always struck me as incredibly odd. They sound so different musically! That is, a) Marty sings on RAH, and on none of the tracks on AQS b) RAH sounds very polished, whereas most of the AQS songs sound like they were recorded on a battered old 4-track BTW, I think RAH is a very cool song, but on the whole AQS kicks GAF's arse. I've never mentioned it before, but when I finally got hold of a copy of Goldfish, Jokes & Souvenirs I was very disappointed by the videos for the GAF singles, esp. the one for Metropolis. See, I like Metropolis - it's a bit superficial, but it has a bright, breezy, definite tune (kind of like a national anthem). I imagined that the video might use the 'set' from the cover photos (yeah I know, that was probably done with models), but I thought that it would at least have the lads on the rooftop of a big greek-style building or mosque or whatever, overlooking a city of stone buildings, with blue sky galore and the sun just coming up! Instead what do we get - the boys performing in a cafe with endless shots of some compere with an overpainted face clapping his hands! Jeezus. Steve looks like he's trying to be a young Paul McCartney, Marty hides behind a deformed fringe and Pete plays an instrument that no way could be responsible for the sounds being made. Does anyone know who plays what in that song? I assumed that Pete did all the big notes - you know, dum-de-de-dum-de-dum, dum - while Marty plays a very rapid and almost inaudible 2-note jangle. But the video kind of looked the other way around. >And what's this about a P=A tour? I thought a follow-up tour never >happened for P=A, at least not in the states. I'd like to hear more, for >instance which band members showed (was JD on drums?) and which >songs were performed. Some list members were lucky enough to have seen this tour (Oz only). I too am very interested to hear how songs like Aura and Ripple translated live - maybe someone could furnish a full report? I have heard that there were some very bad vibes between group members on that tour. If anyone has a copy of the P=A live bootleg listed in the discography, could they sing out? I would kill for a copy of it. John From John.Brown-OSullivan@vuw.ac.nz Sun Dec 18 12:00 PST 1994 19 Dec 1994 08:56:29 +1300 From: John.Brown-OSullivan@vuw.ac.nz X-Sender: johnbos@matai.vuw.ac.nz Subject: Pete's commercialism (was Re: The Church) Kelly, How old was the Taylor poster? That is, at what stage of his career (promising guitarist, grand master, has-been) would Peter have been when he appeared in the poster? Maybe you could tell from his hair style, altho to be honest I can't remember what he looked like in the Ripple video - all I remember is Marty swaying from side to side, Steve gazing lovingly at his bass, a young-looking JDD and someone on the left who never seemed to move! John From John.Brown-OSullivan@vuw.ac.nz Sun Dec 18 14:24 PST 1994 19 Dec 1994 11:22:45 +1300 From: John.Brown-OSullivan@vuw.ac.nz X-Sender: johnbos@matai.vuw.ac.nz Subject: Re: Koppes on Ripple vid Cynthia sez: >Pete was the figure on the left, sporting a haircut shorter >(barely touching the collar) than I had seen at any other time in his >career. Shirt is some white and blue swirling print. Compared to Steve >(classic deadpan mode), I thought he was positively active! I suppose the white and blue ties in with the 'ripple' concept - it certainly goes with the single cover (which is very cool). What were the other guys wearing? And was the whole set the deep purply-blue I seem to remember? I also seem to recall it kept cutting to shots of some yellow liquidy stuff. God, of all the Church vids, that's the one I most wish I had. Hard to believe that the one time I saw it I thought the song sounded bad. I thought 'gee, that's not a patch on Starfish' and turned my attentions to my then fave band (I am deeply ashamed to admit this) Faith No More's new single! I also remember Karen Hay (a big name in NZ music TV) introducing it without comment - that from a woman whose favourite album happens to be Seance! Do you know if the video was of the single (about 4:30) or of the album song (6:03)? John From John.Brown-OSullivan@vuw.ac.nz Mon Jan 30 12:42 PST 1995 31 Jan 1995 09:41:25 +1300 From: John.Brown-OSullivan@vuw.ac.nz X-Sender: johnbos@matai.vuw.ac.nz Subject: you guys are nuts! Only kidding. Well, maybe not... but hey, you're my kind of nuts. Even though 200+ messages in the 3 weeks I was away became a little tedious to wade thru. Here's to the up and coming new Church album... which probably won't be out before mid '96. That seems terribly sad to me, especially when talentless bastards like REM can put out an album a year. Sorry to any REM fans - I just listened to Green and Out of Time for the first time in yonks and I was amazed at how BORING they sounded. The almost-exact same tune surfaces on songs like 'World Leader Pretend' and 'Texarkana'! Then I put on SA, and yes, I do love this album now, it's everchanging. Someone out there was going to provide some of us with a copy of a Church performance... any takers? I know lots of you exchange tapes and stuff, I haven't cared to ask yet 'cos a) I live in New Zealand and postage mounts up! and b) before going to Little Barrier Island I paid a visit to Real Groovy Records in Auckland (the country's largest 2nd-hand dealer), where I had confidently expected to pick up CD copies of, let's see, Earthed, The Slow Crack, Remindlessness, Narcosis, Manchild and Myth, From the Well, and Fake - they had nothing. I wept bitter tears. Well, I'm not proud (altho I am poor). Can anyone be of assistance? Maybe you should reply direct to my address. I am SOOO fond of Transaction, which I do have a muted copy of (thanks James) - it would be great to get it on CD. Oh yeah, the tshirt - I think the lyrics should be a verse from Hotel Womb John From John.Brown-OSullivan@vuw.ac.nz Wed Feb 1 13:56 PST 1995 02 Feb 1995 10:55:18 +1300 From: John.Brown-OSullivan@vuw.ac.nz X-Sender: johnbos@matai.vuw.ac.nz Subject: Bohemia I was in a record shop this morning (sheltering from the rain) when they started playing some nice, slick female vocal+funky music; after a few minutes I asked what it was (thinking, for some wierd reason, of the Cranberries) only to be told it was Mae Moore. Previously I had not bothered about her, despite Stevie's heavy presence (nor Margot Smith, sorry Anthony) but what I heard sounded damn good. I didn't buy it because the price was a bit steep. Could someone give me an opinion on Bohemia, and maybe also on some of Margot's stuff? Who knows, I may come across one of her CDs someday... I don't mean saying 'yeah it's great', more an idea of the musical range. I admit I don't have many fave female vocalists - Kate Bush, Kristin Hersch and Janet Roddick (from Six Volts and the Brainchilds, two great NZ bands) are the only ones who spring to mind, but hey, wimmins stuff is the way my preferences are developing! John ps are any of these Church acoustic shows being recorded? When are we going to get the 'unplugged' double CD? :-) From John.Brown-OSullivan@vuw.ac.nz Sun Feb 12 12:07 PST 1995 13 Feb 1995 09:05:20 +1300 From: John.Brown-OSullivan@vuw.ac.nz X-Sender: johnbos@matai.vuw.ac.nz Subject: my (southern) desert island choice My fave discs have a certain 'Antipodean' flavour: The Bats - Daddy's Highway, Fear of God, Silverbeet Straitjacket Fits - Melt, Blow The Cake Kitchen - anything they've done, they are brilliant Peter Jefferies - likewise Bird Nest Roys - First Album The Dead C - Trapdoor Fucking Exit Crowded House - Woodface, Together Alone (despite what many people think, they are a New Zealand band, NOT Australian) The 3Ds - Swarthy Songs for Swabs (worth getting for the album cover - a very sick take on Tintin) Bailter Space - Thermos, Robot World Chris Knox - Duck Shaped Pain, Polyfoto and Gum (?) The Chills - Kaleidoscope World The Clean - Modern Rock Six Volts - Stretch Which just goes to show that New Zealand is the musical capital of the world... On a more international level: The Church - P=A, Starfish, Seance Steve Kilbey - Unearthed, The Slow Crack - Remindlessness, Narcosis (I'm cheating - I haven't heard those, but I WANT to so bad) MWP - Spirit Level Peter Koppes - anything (not that I've ever heard him) The Jesus & Mary Chain - Barbed Wire Kisses Sonic Youth - Goo, Dirty Throwing Muses - Hunkpapa, The Real Ramona House of Love - 'Fontana' Sisters of Mercy - Vision Thing Einsatzende Neubauten - anything Chris Rea - The Road to Hell Leonard Cohen - The Future Catherine Wheel - Chrome Pavement - Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain Midnight Oil - 10,9,8,7,6,5,4,3,2,1 Tribe - Abort, Sleeper p.s. I picked up the last 2 as CDs for $10 each, + Marty's AA and LG single - my only lucky find at a sale ever. Has anyone else heard Tribe? I would describe them as vaguely similar to Heart, but good. Does anyone know if they have a new album coming? John From John.Brown-OSullivan@vuw.ac.nz Wed Feb 22 12:26 PST 1995 23 Feb 1995 09:24:07 +1300 From: John.Brown-OSullivan@vuw.ac.nz X-Sender: johnbos@matai.vuw.ac.nz Subject: the t-shirt debate Sorry Mike, but I hate the thought of wearing a t-shirt with a) the broken angel on the front and b) all 9 albums on the back. The Church are about clarity, simplicity, and, er, 'essence'. I'd love to have 9 t-shirts, each with an album cover, but if you have the covers all on one t-shirt then I can't see how you could get any detail on any of the albums. Imagine the GAF cover squashed into 5 by 5 inches or so, with low resolution! I would want to see the whites of the guys' eyes, and that wouldn't happen. Besides, I can't see how you could fit in 'a couplet or three' below all that. I think it should be a picture on one side, writing on the other. As for the broken angel, that is not a good album cover, IMHO. It looks kind of childish and, um, naive - and we all know how cynical the Church really are. I agree with Neil and Rhonda - please let it be the P=A cover, no other will do! Even a friend of mine who hated P=A (he couldn't get past the first 3 songs) thought that it had a cool cover. Unless the Ripple picture, or the GAF cover. Originally I thought none of these pics could be utilised (due to copyright), but I presume that if you're prepared to do the angel cover you've solved that problem? Bottom line: the t-shirt must be elegant and 'cool'. Any thing less and we'd be doing our idols a disservice! John From John.Brown-Osullivan@vuw.ac.nz Thu Dec 8 17:16 PST 1994 09 Dec 1994 14:01:27 +1300 From: John.Brown-Osullivan@vuw.ac.nz X-Sender: johnbos@matai.vuw.ac.nz Subject: Have the Church signed yet? Does anyone know if the Church have found a new master yet? Have Ryko snapped at the bait? (Come on Anthony, you must know) Oh yeah (cough) - in case anyone needs to contact me direct rather than thru Seance, notice that my address in my last posting was incorrect - it should be as above. (John realises he can't cope with the computer age and wanders out into the fields to become an arcadian, or a Luddite, or whatever) From KMadeleine@aol.com Tue Jan 24 04:40 PST 1995 From: KMadeleine@aol.com Subject: psychedelic, man > How much you like "Trance Ending" depends on how much you like psychedelic > music. The Church are very good at psychedelic music and this song is a > great example of it. One of the funniest moments in my life was when we were leaving the Church show in Boston for GAF. We heard someone in the crowd actually say, in all se riousness, 'That was a great show, except for the psychedelic stuff at the end.' Talk about misunderstanding a band! I still cannot get over it! And now I'm counting the days until I fly to California for the 2/3 and 2/4 shows. Got my tickets in the mail yesterday yippee!!!! For the record, I like Trance Ending more than Travel By Thought, but that's just me. From KMadeleine@aol.com Thu Feb 9 14:54 PST 1995 From: KMadeleine@aol.com Subject: cars, bars, and guitars morten was talking about the san francisco show and he said: > On my way down Steve comes walking > back up and when I tried to flag him down, he said "I'll be back, I'm > just going to get my guitar". Apparently the tour did not include many > (if any) roadies... some of the fun people i met at the san juan capistrano show on saturday were as amazed as i was that steve had to put his own guitar into the car. and the car wasn't even a limo. there ain't no justice in this world. but the thing that i found the weirdest was that after we all got steve's autograph (marty had gone out the back door, i guess) some guy handed him two somethings (maybe buttons, i didn't get a good luck) and said 'one is for you, whichever you like best, the other's for your guitarist.' now, no disrespect to mr. kilbey, but 'your guitarist'???? marty was amazing, fantastic, absolutely inhuman. he's not a session player you know! and morten, keep posting, i always love to read what you've written! From KMadeleine@aol.com Fri Feb 10 16:47 PST 1995 From: KMadeleine@aol.com Subject: islands, and how good is marty? today choices for the island would be (along with about a billion cases of spf 45 sunscreen, or else i wouldn't be alive to listen to them): roxy music, avalon church, blurred crusade judybats, down in the shacks where the satellite dishes grow crowded house, woodface rem, fables of the reconstruction violent femmes, why do birds sing the cure, disintegration freedy johnston, this perfect world world party, goodbye jumbo fleetwood mac, the chain (yes it's four cds but it counts as one set!) sugar, copper blue i did my part for xmas spreading the words about these albums, i sent avalon to my brother who had somehow reached the age of 20 without ever hearing roxy music (he gave me jon spencer blues explosion, i wasn't all that impressed), and woodface to a dear friend that has since joined this list (hiya miles!). now on how good is marty, you all know i think he's fabulous since i posted my rant on the 'your guitarist' remark some guy made last weekend. if i wanted to start a flamefest i'd state my opinion that hendrix is for boys, but i won't, since i know there are girls that disagree with me on that one. but i will say that i have _never_ seen an acoustic guitar do some of the things that marty made his do in both los angeles and san juan capistrano, i was so impressed! From KaiBear@aol.com Mon Dec 5 13:43 PST 1994 From: KaiBear@aol.com Subject: unsubscribe unsubscribe From KSABATIN@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU Thu Feb 9 16:06 PST 1995 From: KeN SaBaTiNi Subject: A Church mailing list?? Too good to be true I was recently told about a Church mailing list. Please, Please, please, add me, add me, add me ... add me to the Church mailing list. I guess this is more appropriate for the Smiths newsgroup, but I couldn't resist. In all seriousness, please subscribe me as soon as is possible (Not that I need another distraction from grad. school). Getting info. about Kilbey's solo work, other projects, his brother's bands, Marty, All About Eve, etc. etc. is quite challenging to the say the least. Oh yeah, please mail me the FAQ. Thanks in advance. Ken email: ksabatin@uga.cc.uga.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ Ken Sabatini ~ ~ University of Georgia ~ From KSABATIN@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU Mon Feb 27 15:59 PST 1995 From: KeN SaBaTiNi Subject: A request to be added to this mailing list I have put in a few such requests over the last month that must have gotten lost in the shuffle. If this is not the correct address for such a request, could someone please email me the correct one? My address is: KSABATIN@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU Thanks for your help :)! Ken ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ Ken Sabatini ~ ~ University of Georgia ~ ~ Athens, GA ~ From KSABATIN@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU Thu Mar 2 18:40 PST 1995 From: KeN SaBaTiNi Subject: Intro. of new list member Church fans, I was added to this list about a week ago and am finally getting around to giving a brief description of myself as requested in the FAQ or somewhere. I don't recall all of the items that info. was requested on, but I'll do my best. I first heard the band in early 1987. I was visiting a friend who had recently started college in Providence, R.I. I was a Freshman at the Un. of Conncticut. He and I were kind of separately "discovering" a lot of new bands at the time and would occasionally get together and play each other what we liked. At the time I was listening to a lot of Robyn Hitchcock, the first album by the Railway Children, the Cure, Echo and the Bunnymen, the English Beat, Gene Loves Jezebel (I admit it!), The Smiths, to name a few. One weekend he played for me this band his roomate told him about--The Church. He cued up Heyday and I was immediately struck by how different the band sounded, it kind of affected me in a weird way--hard to describe. That album had the lyrics printed and reading them really struck me. Who were these guys we wanted to know. All we knew was that his roomate had seen them and told us they were really loud and they had at least one other album. After that we both would search the "C" section as soon as we entered a record store. We slowly found album after album. I think the order of this was Remote Luxory, followed by Seance, then their self-titled debut (I don't recall if this was the US release or the import version--it has a picture of a skyscraper with a reflection of a Church in its windows), and then the Blurred Crusade. We also heard about some solo projects and paid hefty prices for imports of Marty's first LP and Kilbey' s Earthed and Unearthed releases. What struck me was how different each of the Church albums sounded. It was like a different band, yet certain core aspects of the music was the same. They have always created and sustained a "feel" to their each of their releases, as you all no doubt are aware of. Wow, I am rambling here. The main point about the Church is how their music and Kilbey's voice and lyrics would alter your perception to a degree, ... kind of take you to some other place. I was and am always amazed how I can listen to a Church song I have heard hundreds of times and still hear something new--a guitar part I never noticed or a lyric that I interpret in a new way, etc. As far as favorites go, this definitely changed over time. When I was firs t picking up their stuff, Heyday was it--especially Myrr, Tantatalized, and Already Yesterday. Soon after I was most into Blurred Crusade--fav's being Almost With You, Just For You, To Be In Your Eyes; and then Remote Luxory-- Into My Hands was a favorite. What became my most listened to album for quite a while was Seance--Its No Reason, Disappear, and It Doesn't Change being a few of the favorites. These days, I don't have nearly the same amount of time to listen to music, so those records (and I do mean "records") also remind me of a ton of memories of days gone by. More recently, I was thrilled when I heard about Starfish and was surprised about all of the radio play. At least I know heard facts here and there about the band in reviews and little snippets of interviews. I got to see the band a few times on this tour, which was incredible--having known so little about them and listening to their music so often, looking at their pictures on albums, etc all made it quite amazing to actually see them in the flesh. I wanted to somehow convey how much they meant to me, but how could you say this? I was less impressed with Gold Afternoon Fix, compared to their other work, but still loved aspects of it--I guess it seemed a little tight or stiff somehow. Then came PRiest=Aura, which was incredible, especially lyrically. It seemed most similar to the stuff Kilbey was up to in Remindlessness, which I loved. Wow, I don't know if anyone is interested in this level of detail. I will wrap this up. I like their experimentations in Sometime Anywhere and the companion CD-- Steve keeps coming up with this stuff, does he ever run out of ideas? His voic e sounds better than ever. Well, I have to go. I realize I didn't mention Quick Smoke ... and the B-side tracks on Hindsight, but you all know the story. I'll be in touch, I'm sure. Ken PS I know that Willson-Piper also has a lot to do with the stuff on their most recent release. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ Ken Sabatini ~ ~ University of Georgia ~ ~ Athens, GA ~ From KSABATIN@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU Fri Mar 3 15:47 PST 1995 From: KeN SaBaTiNi Subject: Church interview LP at time of 1st solo releases Has anyone here listened to that Church interview album--the one with a newspaper-like sleeve with the headline being something like "Church solo albums found." It was a promo only, so it is kind of rare. I was debating putting down the cashola for it and was wondering if anyone who has it or has heard it can give me any comments. It is basically a recording of brief interviews with Steve, Marty, and Peter at the time of their first solo releases. Thanks for the help. Ken ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ Ken Sabatini ~ ~ University of Georgia ~ ~ Athens, GA ~ From KSABATIN@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU Sat Mar 4 11:44 PST 1995 From: KeN SaBaTiNi Subject: Dome movie I have to give my opinion on all of this conjecture about which movie Kibey is singing about in Dome. I believe the entire movie plot he refers to drifting asleep during (and then being unsure whether the ending he remembers was real or created by him) was completely invented by Steve's seemingly endless imagination. I think he is describing man's destructive tendancies. The people who lived in the Dome had all they wanted and needed, as long as they stayed in the dome. Then of course, the barbarians arrive on the scene and kill them all, without a second thought and without purpose. Ah, the ways of life. The fate of the barbarians is also death, yet I wonder how often that happens in the world. More likely, they get to continue to wreak havoc without punishment. Hmm ... I don't think anyone asked for a recap of the plot. Regardless, my point is that I want people to consider that there was no movie, any more than there was no actual old man with contageous amnesia in Steve's story "Forget Everything" in Unearthed--to give a more obscure reference. (I haven't looked at that booklet for years so I may have the title wrong.) But, of course, multiple interpretations are always possible. Ken ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ Ken Sabatini ~ ~ University of Georgia ~ ~ Athens, GA ~ From KSABATIN@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU Sat Mar 4 12:28 PST 1995 From: KeN SaBaTiNi Subject: Re: Church interview LP at time of 1st solo releases (fwd) On March 3, Henny noted: I wonder if this is just a dub of their 120 minutes interview from '90. does steve say, "Why did i get involved with myself?", or does marty ever say, "I really like to *sing* and *write words*"? well, i guess you'd know if you heard dave kendall's voice asking the questions! -henny On Fri, 3 Mar 1995, KeN SaBaTiNi wrote: > Has anyone here listened to that Church interview album--the one with a > newspaper-like sleeve with the headline being something like "Church solo > albums found." It was a promo only, so it is kind of rare. I was debating > putting down the cashola for it and was wondering if anyone who has it or has > heard it can give me any comments. It is basically a recording of brief > interviews with Steve, Marty, and Peter at the time of their first solo > releases. Thanks for the help. > Ken The time of the interviews that took place on the promo that I am talking about were a lot older than that horredous interview with Dave Kendall. I'm sure this MTV interview has been discussed before but ... it was unbelievably awful !!! I remember being so excited when I heard the Church were going to be on 120 Minutes. Then came the first question from Mr. Kendal, "So, you guys are the Church" ... ... (silence) ... Kilbey seemed so pissed, well maybe not pissed but just totally uncooperati ve, which of course was understandible. I was surprised they even aired the interview. I remember the answer Marty gave about liking to sing and write words and how he gets to play one song a night--any song he likes. That is exactly why I was asking whether anyone had heard the interviews on that promo LP--I wanted to avoid being disappointed by the quality of the interviewer. I was so psyched when Kendall was finally let go. Then came the current fool, who now fills in whenever they can't find a guest band to host. There has got to be someone of quality who they can get for this position. The name just came back to me-->>Lewis Largent. He was on for a year or so, then, at last was not renewed. He came on to tell us this on his last show and then, when MTV couldn't find anyone to replace him and had run out of guest hosts, old Lewis came back and now occasionally hosts the show. I heard him say, "you know MTV is having trouble finding someone for this show when you see me" I felt bad for the guy. I mean, he was perfect for interviewing the likes of the Chili Peppers or other spastic-type people, but was in way over his head with anyone of substance. The end of my preaching ... for the moment. Ken ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ Ken Sabatini ~ ~ University of Georgia ~ ~ Athens, GA ~ From KSABATIN@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU Sat Mar 4 12:50 PST 1995 From: KeN SaBaTiNi Subject: Re: Dome movie (fwd) Ken said (March 4): > > I have to give my opinion on all of this conjecture about which movie > Kibey is singing about in Dome. I believe the entire movie plot he refers to > drifting asleep during (and then being unsure whether the ending he remembers > was real or created by him) was completely invented by Steve's seemingly > endless imagination. I think he is describing man's destructive tendancies. and: > Regardless, my point is that I want people to consider that there was no movie, > any more than there was no actual old man with contageous amnesia in Steve's > story "Forget Everything" in Unearthed--to give a more obscure reference. > (I haven't looked at that booklet for years so I may have the title wrong.) > Ken > Then, later on March 4, some know-it-all had to play hardball and pull out some comments about the song made by Steve: < Subject: Re: The Church Cc: BROWNKB@ml.wpafb.af.mil, seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM On Fri, 16 Dec 1994 BROWNKB@ml.wpafb.af.mil wrote: > > LET'S SEE, HOW ABOUT WHAT IS YOUR BIGGEST/FAVORITE CHURCH OR BAND MEMBER > COLLECTABLE ITEM? MINE WOULD HAVE TO BE MY TEST PRESSING OF MARTY'S ALBUM > ART ATTACK, OR THE FRENCH 45 OF ALMOST WITH YOU, I LOVE THE COVER AND THE > PAPER IT'S MADE FROM. > > KELLY> I would have to say that mine is an autographed poster from the starfish tour, or Marty's In Reflection on vinyl. Keith From KiddPsycho@aol.com Thu Feb 9 15:12 PST 1995 From: KiddPsycho@aol.com Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE Hate to go, but the time has come -- great mailing list BTW Kidd From KiddPsycho@aol.com Sun Feb 12 10:34 PST 1995 From: KiddPsycho@aol.com Subject: That Desert Thingie Crank up the S.S. Minnow's portable generator and CD player. I'd go with: 1. Buffalo Tom -- Let Me Come Over 2. U2 -- The Unforgettable Fire 3. Church -- Priest=Aura (yep) 4. Church -- Sometime Anywhere/Somewhere Else (uh huh) 5. Church -- Starfish (of course) 6. Kate Bush -- Hounds of Love 7. The Police -- Ghost in the Machine 8. The Essential Jimi Hendrix 9. Seal -- (1st album) 10. The Who -- Quadrophenia 11. Genesis -- The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway 12. The Waterboys -- This is the Sea Probably lost in a real desert, the island's only a oasis/mirage the music keeps in focus. Kidd From kdatema@Calvin.EDU Mon Dec 12 14:23 PST 1994 From: Kirk Datema Subject: Hello all you people who are selling me I am interested in joining your network of church enthusiasts write back and inform me of what I must do. Kirk From kdatema@Calvin.EDU Tue Dec 13 16:11 PST 1994 From: Kirk Datema Subject: Here in this desert, beneath the sun and stars Hello=postulative inquisition I am writing to subscribe, SUBSCRIBE , actually it's winter here with no desert in sight. I'm in the middle of finals so I'll keep it short. I've been an enthusiast for about 6 years now and my name Kirk=the Church. Look it up in most northern European language dictionaries if you don't believe me, especially old-norse (viking speak)... but im sure that you do believe me, it's really just trivial information and i'm no viking either. I look forward tohearing from you SUBSCRIBE Kirk From ksj@Cs.Nott.AC.UK Mon Jan 30 16:47 PST 1995 30 Jan 95 16:42 GMT Subject: Newcomer From: Kirk S Jackson Hello. I've just joined Seance, and I'd like to share with you the magical and very special memories I have of my indoctrination into the one true Church... My fave band was All About Eve. Since Marty played for them, I suppose they've been discussed here. Anyway, Julianne Regan (singer of AAE) recommended The Church in the AAE newsletter, so I bought a copy of Gold Afternoon Fix and fell asleep listening to it for the first time. I liked it so much that I went out and got Starfish, and fell asleep whilst listening to it for the first time. I'm now trying to collect their back-catalogue, and I just got hold of Remote Luxury, which I fell asleep listening to the first time. I've come to the conclusion that The Church are quite `soporific' (look it up, folks), which is not necessarily a bad thing, and certainly not the same as `boring'. My fave album is the double CD version of Sometime Anywhere, because it's bang up to date, and contains many stormingly good songs. My fave song is... well, the reason The Church is now my top band is that every other song of theirs is my favourite. Here's some classic lyrics. See if you can place 'em... "Through human eyes she's a dolphin in disguise; It's the last night of the war." "I was working in an orchard that grew the strangest fruit. It wasn't Mother Nature that made those trees take root." "Follow her down to worship some god, Who never speaks to me - I wonder if that's odd. Then he says ``you're never listening''." "Early in the morning when I'm still asleep, You sit upon a throne making grown men weep... with boredom." "We were on some battlefield; I felt something soft go through my shield, I felt something warm enter my guts, I was bleeding bad, but there were no cuts." "I am free like Mattieu in ``The Age of Reason'', But something is missing. Will I start to bleed?" "In the fading light, when the feeling's gone, I'll ask her twice tonight, to make sure I'm wrong." Answers on a postcard... Kirk Jackson PS. Can someone please tell me why I can't access the directory /usr0/vernon/music/church at probacto.soar.cs.cmu.edu , and what the point is of having any FTP stuff at ftp.uwp.edu , when the site is always too crowded to allow anonymous access? From ksj@Cs.Nott.AC.UK Fri Feb 3 16:24 PST 1995 3 Feb 95 12:30 GMT Subject: Re: Newcomer From: Kirk S Jackson Hello again. In my opening message, I included a short "place the lyrics" quiz. Those who replied got most of them right, but were a bit unsure about the last two... > "I am free like Mattieu in ``The Age of Reason'', > But something is missing. > Will I start to bleed?" This is WISTB from MWP's SL. Oops, sorry; I've caught the abbreviations bug! :) "Will I Start to Bleed?" is from Marty Willson-Piper's `Spirit Level'. > "In the fading light, when the feeling's gone, > I'll ask her twice tonight, to make sure I'm wrong." Aha! This is "The Myths You Made" from `Somewhere Else' (the elusive 7 track 2nd CD of `Sometime Anywhere' - at least, it is elusive in the UK). Have They any plans to come to the UK ever at all? In fact, while They are poncing about the States doing their oh-so-intimate small accoustic gigs, could someone please drag Them backstage and threaten to bludgeon Them both to death with a large soggy Starfish unless They visit England pretty damn soon. Anyone who does this - I will fax you $100. Kirk Jackson From ksj@Cs.Nott.AC.UK Tue Feb 7 08:14 PST 1995 7 Feb 95 12:54 GMT Subject: Re: Church Chords From: Kirk S Jackson Here's my contribution. I'm writing it from memory without a guitar, so some of the end chords may be in the wrong places. Try it out... Kirk Jackson -------- BEL-AIR D Em G D D Em G D D Em G I don't know if it was the air or the breeze in my hair; I had a feeling I had D failed. D Em G D So down to the beach just out of reach; the moon was being trailed. D Em G D Girl and a sailor and a hot-dog trailer; that's their holy grail. F#m G D Em G D D Em G D The sand whispered heat, and burned the feet of gulls landing on the shore. D Em G D In the motel pool, the waitress cools; she doesn't ask for more. D Em G D She makes a wish, she takes a risk; she opens up her door. D Em G D Through human eyes she's a dolphin in disguise; it's the last night of the war. F#m G D Em G D D Em G D And somewhere far away there's another day, and someone's getting out of bed. D Em G D She puts on her face in the morning space. She doesn't know she's dead! G F C Her ruby lips can't excite me any more. Dm F C And pain sprawls on the chair. It's always there. Dm F C And he descends the stairs. He doesn't sleep Dm F C The sun-burned landlord glares for all the people he can never Dm F C be. He can never, he can never, he can never Dm F C be. He can never, he can never, he can never Dm be. From ksj@Cs.Nott.AC.UK Mon Feb 13 07:53 PST 1995 13 Feb 95 15:51 GMT Subject: Lyrics From: Kirk S Jackson Are there any lyrics for Sometime Anywhere / Somewhere Else available, or on the way? And yes, it is "statues of Sharon Stone". For a list of my Desert Island Disks, please send an e-mail to discog@thechurch.ebay.sun.com . You needn't include a subject or body. Oh yes, and while I'm here, can we please stop wailing at the injustice of Marty having to carry his own (ridiculously expensive) guitar about, and Steve Kilbey only having TWO ladies to take back to his hotel room. Oh, the unfairness of it all! ;-) Kirk Jackson From iy17@jove.acs.unt.edu Wed Nov 30 09:46 PST 1994 From: Koontz Christopher Noel Cc: seance Subject: Re: drummers On Wed, 30 Nov 1994, Jason Benda wrote: > > > Anyone know what happened to good old Dick Ploog? What about > J.D. who played on the P = A effort? I really liked his style. > > Another excellent Austrailian band is NICE. Anyone else heard of them? > i have a friend who's getting a Master's degree in percussion performance; he's quite a drummer. Anyway, i had a tape of Church tunes in my car and the two of us were listening to "Autumn Soon", and at the end, when Ploogie's just banging away, my friend said "Christ, I've got 13 year old students who can drum better than that!" Just thought that that was a funny story about Ploogie. i have no idea what he's doing. christopher From iy17@jove.acs.unt.edu Mon Dec 19 06:13 PST 1994 From: Koontz Christopher Noel Cc: Church Subject: Re: The Church On Mon, 19 Dec 1994, Smith, Brian wrote: > > > > PETER KOPPES SOLD OUT TO CORPORATE SPONSORSHIP. I WAS IN A GUITAR SHOP > > YESTERDAY, AND SAW A POSTER OF ALL THE PEOPLE WHO INDORSE TAYLOR GUITARS > > AND HE WAS ONE OF THEM. OH WELL, A TAYLOR IS A GREAT GUITAR. THIS IS > JUST > > TRIVA NEWS, BUT THE LINES HAVE BEEN KIND OF SLOW LATELY. > > Since when does Peter play Taylor guitars ? He's always been a Fender man ! > Telecaster and Stratocaster, my memory tells me. > > Brian > Taylor makes *acoustic* guitars. Peter used a Taylor acoustic in the "Metropolis" vid and on the MTV "Unplugged" appearance. Never seen PK play anything but a Fender electric, though -- tres perceptive, Brian. christopher From iy17@jove.acs.unt.edu Tue Jan 24 06:22 PST 1995 From: Koontz Christopher Noel Subject: The Worst Church Songs In order to judge a song/book/artwork/blah as "Bad", i've divided "Bad"ness into 3 distinct categories. 1) Just Plain Bad -- due to lack of talent, inspiration, execution, etc. Best strangled at birth type bad. Church song = "In a Heartbeat". Immature, plodding, poorly recorded. 2) "Holy Shit!" Bad -- Failure due to inacheiveable goals, flawed concept, artist-should-have-known-better type errors -- vide the vocals on Emereson Lake and Palmer's version of Mussorgsky's "Pictures at an Exhibition". Church song = Flip a coin - "The Golden Dawn" (silly, awkward chord changes, dumb pizzicato string part) or "Youth Worshipper" (great beginning, Bad chorus, embarassing horns & strings. The trumpet after "come unsewn" is the nadir of Chuch songwriting/production). 3) Ed Wood Bad -- Something so bad it's almost good, like Chicken McNuggets. Church song -- "Maybe These Boys". i always wanted to be a critic. christopher From iy17@jove.acs.unt.edu Tue Feb 7 11:55 PST 1995 From: Koontz Christopher Noel Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Subject: Re: thanks for the chords On Tue, 7 Feb 1995, William Smith wrote: > > Does any one know what Steve Kilbey's little problem is in the > song "My Little Problem"? > drugs From iy17@jove.acs.unt.edu Mon Feb 13 06:14 PST 1995 From: Koontz Christopher Noel Subject: Desert Island Disc There's only one. "The Sign" -- Ace of Base christopher From iy17@jove.acs.unt.edu Thu Feb 16 09:50 PST 1995 From: Koontz Christopher Noel Cc: Church Mailing List Subject: Re: Questions & observations On Thu, 16 Feb 1995, Scott W Reichert wrote: > Just a few things that have been hangin' around in my head: > > > Does anyone know who that is in the suit of armor in the Almost With You > video? i'm pretty sure that's Steve; look at his eyes in the part where he kneels towards the end ... BTW, the sequence during the solo where they show the knight running always cracks me up -- it's so klutzy, but so early-80's adorable ... you can tell how hard they're trying. christopher From iy17@jove.acs.unt.edu Fri Feb 24 06:06 PST 1995 From: Koontz Christopher Noel Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Subject: Re: The Church word of the day On Thu, 23 Feb 1995, William Smith wrote: > The Church word of the day: Mandrake > > Mandrake: > a Eurasian plant with purplish flowers and a forked > root. It was formerly thought to have magical > powers and a narcotic was prepared from its root. > > The form mandrake was probably adopted through > folk etymology, because of the allegedly human > appearance of the root and because drake ( dragon ) > suggested magical powers. > > That's what the dictionary has to say about it. > There used to be a really old comic strip from the '30s and '40s or thereabouts called "Mandrake the Magician." He used to run around, using his magical powers to kick ass on bad guys, just like Steve! :) Just playing the word-association game. Software sings and hardware hears, christopher From lac@GAS.UUG.Arizona.EDU Fri Feb 3 02:31 PST 1995 From: Lars A Christensen Subject: Hello! Hi, I'm new to this list, but I'm glad to have found it finally because the Church are an amazing band, I think. My name's Lars Christensen and you can e-mail me privately at . I like all the Church albums so it's hard to pick one, although that would make a good introductory platform...I've always liked Seance a lot (though no one I know seems to very much...). My favorite somg's probably even tougher to choose...depends on when you ask me. I also really like all the solo work I've heard, which is almost all of it, as far as I can tell. I've liked the Church since about Starfish, because my brother bought the "Under the Milky Way" single. I never thought about it much before, but I guess Steve has the best shirt on Heyday...by the way, I saw Vicious Sloth was selling one of those shirts...how'd they get a hold of it, I wonder? I want very much to see this acoustic tour which has been so praised, but I'm only 18 and all the shows are in bars. If I can procure a fake ID by Monday, I'll go to San Diego (I live in Tucson). I'd like to get my hands on one of those live tapes if they sound good, though...I've had a hard time finding Church live stuff, and they've never officially released anything, as far as I can tell. I also am trying to build a Church record collection, so if you can direct me somewhere, that'd be great. Well, I better not take up too much of your time...so long and happy listening! Lars P.S. So what's on after the tour? From lac@GAS.UUG.Arizona.EDU Mon Feb 13 16:33 PST 1995 From: Lars A Christensen Subject: DID Well, since everybody else is doing it, I guess I'll try to come up with my own list (note that this will already be very different by tomorrow): Church - Seance, Sometime Anywhere (haven't seen this one much, are people dissappointed?), Priest=Aura, everything else... Kilbey - probably the Slow Crack Marty - Spirit Level Beatles - Abbey Road, others Harold Budd/Andy Partridge - Through the Hill Cocteau Twins - Echoes in a Shallow Bay/Tiny Dynamine Debussy - not sure but whatever it was I'd probably like it Dire Straits - Brothers in Arms Echo and the Bunnymen - Ocean Rain or Porcupine or Heaven Up Here Eno - Before and After Science Peter Gabriel - either second or third Genesis - Foxtrot, A Trick of the Tail House of Love - too hard to choose (most of them are self-titled, anyway) King Crimson - Lizard John Lennon - either Plastic Ono Band or Imagine Paul McCartney - Ram Ravel - some good chamber music REM - Fables of the Reconstruction of the Fables U2 - October, Unforgettable Fire, whatever else I can fit Probably forgetting lots of great albums...too hard to choose. Lars From lac@GAS.UUG.Arizona.EDU Mon Feb 13 17:44 PST 1995 From: Lars A Christensen Subject: Peter Koppes Remember that guy who used to be in the Church? What has he been up to lately? I thought his latest ep (as far as I know, that was about three years ago) was pretty good and you'd think there'd be some music sitting in his veins. Also, does anybody know what he thinks of Sometime Anywhere? (Sorry if I'm treading water, I haven't been on this list long.) Lars From lac@GAS.UUG.Arizona.EDU Sat Feb 25 20:16 PST 1995 From: Lars A Christensen Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Subject: Re: your mail On Sun, 26 Feb 1995, Stephen Simmonds wrote: > Questions: > 1) did you guys in U.S. (et al) get 'quick smoke at spots' (b-sides)? I got mine imported from a local store - a bit expensive but well worth it. > 2) why can't I get into the church discography and lyrics URLs? I can't either. > 3) Any non-lp tracks released from S/A (apart from 2nd ltd ed disc)? Check out the various artists ep "Earth Music" - the Church do a cover of the Radiator's "A Room Full of Diamonds" - a pretty good song. Besides that, all I know of is 2 edits of "Two Places at Once" (radio and video) and a "Loveblind" edit, both from respective US promo CD's. From lac@GAS.UUG.Arizona.EDU Fri Mar 3 10:25 PST 1995 From: Lars A Christensen Subject: Re: Dome On Thu, 2 Mar 1995, David Raymond Rake wrote: > Anyway, the reason why I'm writing is to see if anyone knows the name of > the film being referred to in "Dome." I know this is sort of trivial, but > I've been doing a bunch of research on sci-fi B movies lately, so my > curiosity has been piqued a bit. The only movie that I know of that is > even remotely similar to "Dome" is "Logan's Run." Anyone got any ideas? > BTW, if you haven't seen "Logan's Run," please don't bother; it's > heinous (unless you're a big fan of Farrah Fawcett's fluffy blow-dry 'do, > circa 1976--yikes!). That's amazing...I was about to ask that. I'll trust you that "Logan's Run" is a bad movie, so won't bother seeing it, so can you tell me more specifically what it's about? Lars. From shoyt@u.washington.edu Fri Feb 17 15:38 PST 1995 Fri, 17 Feb 95 15:37:23 -0800 X-Sender: shoyt@saul3.u.washington.edu From: Lisa Humphrey Subscribe me to your service ----- shoyt@u.washington.edu From matthew.blair@afrc.ac.uk Tue Dec 6 06:04 PST 1994 Content-Identifier: 118C336E1500 From: MAtt Subject: church vote Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Hope I'm not too late to vote. These are straight off the top of my head and without any thought at all. It was the only way I could pick them Fav LP Priest=Aurau Fav 3 songs 1. A Different Man 2. TerraNovaCain 3. Reptile Oh God that was sooo hard. What about 2PAO, or Loveblind, or Chrome Injury, or......stop it. Sorry, just getting carried away. Later, MAtt. From matthew.blair@afrc.ac.uk Tue Jan 24 08:34 PST 1995 Content-Identifier: 1191C4111000 From: MAtt Subject: worst ? songs Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Jeez, I guess I'll de-lurk for a moment to say that I can't think of any songs by the Church that I actively dislike ! Soon I like more than others, but I don't hate any of them. If I *was* pushed, then I'd have to say that Trance Ending is my least fave ! I'm not a huge fan of Peter's voice, but I do like the ones he sings on Church LPs ! As for GAF, it's my 3rd fave LP after P=A and SA/SE ! Oh yeah, I've just been reminded of a song : Ripple !! I can't understand how so many people can say this is a brilliant song. It's ok, but I must be missing something (a brain perhaps) because I just can't for the life of me figure out what is so great about it. I *love* Chaos, and The Dissillusionist (sp?) !! I guess I just like everything the Church do, and love a lot of it ! And on a slightly different note, I picked up SA on double vinyl last week at a record fair in Edinburgh. Brand spanking new, still in it's cellophane wrapper, for only 11 quid ! I've been looking for it on vinyl ever since it was released. Now P=A is the only vinyl LP I don't have ! I also saw the Megalopolis CD5 for 5 quid, but I didn't buy it as I already have the 12" vinyl copy. Why is the cd called Megalopolis and the 12" with the exact same tracks is called Metropolis ? And while I'm asking questions, here's one that has puzzled me for a while. On GAF, there's a credit on the back sleeve to Marilyn someone. Says something like 'Thanks to Marilyn xxxx on the wing' Anyone have ideas as to what this means ? Oh well, back to lurking again, Later, MAtt. From NJANDREW@GENVAX.GLAMORGAN.AC.UK Wed Dec 7 12:39 PST 1994 Via: uk.ac.glamorgan.genvax; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 19:03:35 +0000 From: MCARTHY YOU SCALLYWAG Subject: The Agony of Choice Am I too late ???? This has been agonising but here are my choices ; Album : The Blurred Crusade (No duff tracks on this one at all, just got the nod over Starfish) UNDER THE MILKY WAY: The song that started it all for me. Cliched choice perhaps but Ive never got bored of it after countless plays, the subtle chords and that bagpipey solo are just mesmerising. It's not just the song either its sums up everything I felt at the time; desire, hope, despair and many other things besides. TANTALIZED: You have to see this with the video for maximum effect. The Church's best celluloid effort, fast edits, jungle dancing, fairgrounds, lights, the coolest shades and paisley shirts, they never looked so hip! Works just as well on its own too. AURA : Monumental epic in fine style. Love the lyrics, bags of atmosphere. Cant get it out of my head. Ps: Could we have a top ten next time ??? PPs: Can we not do a 'biggest fan' thing??? Thats a prepubescent chart music nonsense idea.....(no offence to the person whose idea it was!) We should be above that. PPPs: I agree, (as a drummer) that while Rich Ploog wasnt perhaps a technical drummer like JD Doughtey, he suited early Church stuff to a tee. They arent the same band anymore so it doesnt matter so much. Thanks for listening(?) From MEYERC4660@cobra.uni.edu Thu Dec 1 17:22 PST 1994 From: MEYERC4660@cobra.uni.edu Subject: unsub X-Envelope-To: seance@thechurch.ebay.sun.COM X-Vms-To: IN%"seance@thechurch.ebay.sun.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT unsubscribe delete see ya comprende? From MLyttle@mail.utexas.edu Thu Jan 26 07:16 PST 1995 From: MLyttle@mail.utexas.edu (Michael Lyttle) Subject: Re: Worst Although I do agree that The Disillusionist and Maybe These Boys are clunkers, my least favorite Church song has to be: Fraulein. That song really made me wonder "What were they thinking???" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Lyttle, Publications Editor l Internet: MLyttle@mail.utexas.edu College of Natural Sciences l The University of Texas at Austin l ---------------------------------- Will C. Hogg Building, Room 204 l Austin, TX 78712-1199 l"Some are weatherwise, some are otherwise" (512) 471-3285 l FAX (512) 471-4998 l -- Ben Franklin ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From MSECKER@wasp.cs.cowan.edu.au Mon Dec 5 21:28 PST 1994 Tue, 6 Dec 94 13:22:40 +0800 From: MSECKER@wasp.cs.cowan.edu.au Organization: Edith Cowan University Subject: Re: Any Pixies fans out there??? Priority: normal yep sure is! I won't say I've been a Pixies fan for as long as I've been a Church fan (God I hate that word "Fan"!). But (can I say it here?) I consider the Pixies to be the greatest band ever. And Frank Black's live show to be the best I've ever seen (yep even better that The Church show were SK & MWP just about came to blows - [no actually that wasn't much fun - MWP had been taking the piss out of SK for half the show and SK just swung his guitar as he was taking it off rather to close to MWP's head!]) Anyway just in case you'd like to know a listserver exists, not for the Pixies but for bands on the 4AD label including The Pixies, The Throwing Muses, The Breaders, etc et al, and for other bands/artists who may be involved with artists on 4AD. So if you want your mailbox to explode and your mailer system to fall over (just like mine does on Monday) subscribe to subbacultcha on listserv@cs.mcgill.ca Cheers ______________________________________________________________________ Mark Secker || "All these thing will be lost in time... m.secker@cowan.edu.au || like tears in rain...." Edith Cowan University || Churchlands || Batty (Nexus 6) ph: (+09) 273 8468 || Bladerunner A/H: (+09) 444 6745 || ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From MSECKER@wasp.cs.cowan.edu.au Thu Dec 8 20:13 PST 1994 Fri, 9 Dec 94 12:08:21 +0800 From: MSECKER@wasp.cs.cowan.edu.au Organization: Edith Cowan University Subject: Re: Aussie bands, shirts Priority: normal > Date sent: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 15:31:11 -0800 > To: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM > From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) > Subject: Aussie bands, shirts > Well, we've had a Triffids list start up, we've had mention of the > Go-Betweens, and Loud something or other (sorry, I forget)... must be time > to mention the Saints (Cruel Sea? Ripe? Autohaze? Ups & Downs? Hunters and > Collectors? Rolf Harris???) ;-) > > Add another yes vote to the idea of shirts. A goody. I like the idea of > having a paisleyish shirt saying that I'm a fan of... er, which band was it > now? 8))) > > JRD > A Shirt For Seance readers! I must have missed some mail! - great idea that I've been mulling the idea over for weeks - Subbacultcha - the Pixies/Breaders/Frank Black group have their own shirt. ______________________________________________________________________ Note: could somebody forward me the original postings about a Seance shirt? Heres some ideas but they may have been covered in other postings so please no flames if I'm covering grounds discused already. I can get some designs worked out ( by a real graphic artist who works with bands & musos who has already said that he'd do it for me for a nominal fee ie. cost of materials.) Considerations could be voted on such as T-shirt or button up? long/short sleeve? 1,2,3,or 4 colour? All over print or just front/back "splash". How about designs being forwarded to one subscriber who could compose an index GIF or JPG file showing "thumbnails" or rough designs that could be voted on as well or discused and used for ideas for a final design? Printing may be the main problem - some one would have to look after expences - maybe initial orders would have to reach a certain number to cover the cost of screens ( about $40 to 60 Aust per colour here in Perth) before the first run happens?_____________________________________________________________________ Mark Secker || "All these thing will be lost in time... m.secker@cowan.edu.au || like tears in rain...." Edith Cowan University || Churchlands || Batty ph: (+09) 273 8468 || Bladerunner A/H: (+09) 444 6745 || ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From MSECKER@wasp.cs.cowan.edu.au Tue Jan 10 17:36 PST 1995 Wed, 11 Jan 95 9:28:35 +0800 From: MSECKER@wasp.cs.cowan.edu.au Organization: Edith Cowan University Subject: Re: Church rips off Boston? Priority: normal > Date: Mon, 9 Jan 1995 21:01:21 -0500 (EST) > From: Gary Assa > To: Columbia Blue Carl > Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM > Subject: Re: Church rips off Boston? > > I was listening to "Fly Home" the other day and noticed how much the > > guitar sounds near the end of the song are like the guitar sounds used > > by Boston. Has anybody else noticed this? > > > Funny thing, I thought the same exact thing. Hmmmmm can't say I'd noticed - may have something to do with the fact that I haven't heard a Boston song for YEARS. Well at least not an entire song - I have a reflex action on my right hand that punches out any speaker playing said bands material. Something to do with being in a cover band and playing "More Than A Fealing" 50 million times! However having listened to the end of Fly Home the guitar sound is VERY VERY "ROCKMAN" - an effects unit originaly designed and built by Boston's guitarist Tom S. _____________________________________________________________________ Mark Secker || "All these thing will be lost in time m.secker@cowan.edu.au || like tears in rain...." Edith Cowan University || Churchlands || ph: (+09) 273 8468 || Bladerunner A/H: (+09) 444 6745 || ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From MSECKER@wasp.cs.cowan.edu.au Mon Jan 23 18:34 PST 1995 Tue, 24 Jan 95 9:24:03 +0800 From: MSECKER@wasp.cs.cowan.edu.au Organization: Edith Cowan University Subject: Re: Worst songs Priority: normal > Well the only Church track I regularly shuttle past is the "The > Disillusionist", even though otherwise I (gasp!) really like the P=A album > (Kings would be one of my favourite Church tracks). Well having just seen this track canned by just about everybody Can I just stand up and say "I LIKE IT". Ok so it has a very heavy handed "May Day Choir" sound in parts but I'd guess its taking the piss on the sort of self important people such as the song portrays. (A Musician?, Politician?). Sort of a Bob Roberts soundscape! I'll give the thumbs up to Kings though. Actualy my least fav is: electric lash (deap seated hatred of cheesy Synthetic Drums) _____________________________________________________________________ Mark Secker || "All these thing will be lost in time m.secker@cowan.edu.au || like tears in rain...." Edith Cowan University || Churchlands || ph: (+09) 273 8468 || Bladerunner A/H: (+09) 444 6745 || ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From MSECKER@wasp.cs.cowan.edu.au Mon Feb 13 19:35 PST 1995 Tue, 14 Feb 95 11:26:02 +0800 From: MSECKER@wasp.cs.cowan.edu.au Organization: Edith Cowan University Subject: Re: DID ? Priority: normal Ahhhh the old Desert Island Disk trick! well ok 1: Rubber Soul - the Beatles 2: Revolver _ " " 3: Tromp de Monte (sp) - The Pixies 4: Surfer Rossa - " " 5: Nomads, Indians, Saints - Indigo Girls 6: Automatic - Jesus & Mary Chain 7: Under the Milkyway - The Church 8: Starfish - " " 9: The Brandenburg. - J.S.B. 10:Candy Apple Grey - Husker Du. personally I'd rather take all my CD's/Vinal, as I like variety but that's like 2000 CD's and about 3000 + records/singles so I wont list them all. _____________________________________________________________________ Mark Secker || "All these thing will be lost in time m.secker@cowan.edu.au || like tears in rain...." Edith Cowan University || Churchlands || ph: (+09) 273 8468 || Bladerunner A/H: (+09) 444 6745 || ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From MSECKER@wasp.cs.cowan.edu.au Wed Mar 1 17:36 PST 1995 Thu, 2 Mar 95 9:25:36 +0800 From: MSECKER@wasp.cs.cowan.edu.au Organization: Edith Cowan University Subject: Re: "slogan" Priority: normal > Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 15:48:40 -0800 (PST) > From: Ai Endo > To: Jason Benda > Cc: seance > Subject: Re: "slogan" > > > I'll still buy a shirt, of course, regardless of what's on it but > > I really like any of the forementioned snipits having to do with > > electronic/computers, i.e. "I embraced a machine...", "software sings and > > hardware hears", etc., and I'm not even a computer geek--I think. ditto (opps, should put more of a comment than that) - this was my first thought for a "slogan" in regards to the fact that this is a computer based list (suprise suprise!) BUT......However, > > personal favourite: "Our instruments have no way, of measuring this > > feeling" simply because I believe Kilbey is saying that he has > > songs/material in his head that he wants to do but there's no way he can > > represent those emotions through instruments (and that's about as big > > a statement he can make) and on the other hand, in regard to ourselves, > > our instruments are of course fiber optics, satellites, and computers, > > which could never understand the way each one of us actually feels about > > what we do here, and I think that's pretty cool. COOL ! I'll vote for that! By the way (and you must excuse me here if I'm repeating anybody elses sugestions as down here it's the start of the academic year and I've been to busy to realy read everything thoroughly) has any body sugested "morphing" a "@" to look a little like a paisly or even a whole swag of them in a paisly pattern. catch ya. _____________________________________________________________________ Mark Secker || "All these thing will be lost in time m.secker@cowan.edu.au || like tears in rain...." Edith Cowan University || ....Bladerunner Churchlands || ph: (+09) 273 8468 || A/H: (+09) 444 6745 || ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From magnus@nexto.udac.se Mon Dec 12 08:11 PST 1994 From: Magnus Ring Subject: Church in Uppsala, Sweden - 7th of december 1994 Reply-To: magnus.ring@udac.se My view of the gig is the same as everyone else's. It was GREAT. Like Joakim said, Steve and Marty talked Swedish between the songs. Steve said : "No point in talking English since you all know we can talk Swedish". And Marty said something like : "And if you laugh at our Swedish, you should hear yourselves talk English". Since none of the others seems to remember the setlist I suppose it's my duty to give it to you. I was a bit to slow to grab the original setlist from the stage, but I was able to make a copy of it. Here are the songs : Ritz Shadow Cabinet Tristesse Grind Will I Start To Bleed Providence Almost With You Mistress Hotel Womb Under The Milky Way Month Of Sundays Don't Look Back My Little Problem 10 000 Miles Away Constant In Opal Is This Where You Live? 1:st encore The Night Is Very Soft Reptile 2:nd encore Cortez The Killer They did play Myrrh too, but it was written beside the other songs and I don't remember exactly where they played it (Joakim, do you remember?). /Magnus Ring From magnus@nexto.udac.se Tue Dec 13 00:15 PST 1994 From: Magnus Ring Subject: Re: Church setlist, and Slak article Reply-To: magnus.ring@udac.se John.Brown-OSullivan@vuw.ac.nz wrote : > Magnus, you didn't manage to record that concert, did you? Or do you know > whether anyone recorded it? It sounds like a very cool batch of songs. How > did they play Reptile - did Steve play Peter's part, or did he play > something different? > Maybe someone in Sweden could get talking with Steve or Marty and find > out a few things, like when they will start on the next album. No, I didn't do any recording and I didn't see anyone else doing it either. :-( I think Steve played pretty straight chord strumming on Reptile and Marty played the riff. I liked the version they did. I had hopes to get a chance to talk to Steve and/or Marty after the gig but it seemed pointless. The few people who lined up infront of the backstage room were only alowed to enter for a quick autograph and hardly even that. I managed to ask Marty about the Neil Young song they played (Montezuma the Killer) when he picked up his guitar from the stage, though. Since he seemed in a hurry to leave I didn't ask anything else. I think Steve left even earlier so I didn't get a chance to get him to tell me everything about the Fake :-). /Magnus From magnus@nexto.udac.se Thu Feb 2 23:49 PST 1995 From: Magnus Ring Subject: Re: palo alto show Reply-To: magnus.ring@udac.se Yes indeed this was an awesome show. This was the first time I had seen the Church live and since it was going to be accoustic I didn't know what to expect. (I also haven't heard any of the radio shows from last year). But as someone already said... WOW! > It was great to see them in such a small venue. I guess > I could have tried to get closer, but there was only > 4 rows of folks ahead of me. So I had a great view. > > The set list was basically the same as the Sacramento > show with one noticable exception. I really wanted > to hear The View, but they didn't play it. They did > however play, Is this where you live? which was very > cool. They also played something with the words, > "Life's a gas" or something like that? > > Hey Morten or Paul, did you catch what they said before > that tune. I think they said who it was written by, > but I couldn't make it out. btw, I didn't realize you > guys were going to go backstage after the show. If I > had known that, I would have gone along too. Oh well, > I guess there's always next time. > > Later, > > Tom "Life's a Gas" was probably the T Rex song by that name. Why didn't they play that here in Uppsala? :-( I really would have liked to hear them do some Marc Bolan stuff. /Magnus Ring From Marten_Landstrom@ett.se Fri Feb 3 09:58 PST 1995 From: Marten_Landstrom@ett.se (M\ rten Landstr) Reply-To: Marten_Landstrom@ett.se Subject: Lyrics for Starfish I want lyrics for Starfish sent to Mrten Landstrm Olof Gjdings gata 11, I S-112 31 STOCKHOLM Thanks beforehand! From catbutt@prism.nmt.edu Thu Jan 19 07:59 PST 1995 From: Matthew Goolsby Subject: Re: T-shirts Um, I'm interested in a shirt. Catbutt From catbutt@prism.nmt.edu Mon Jan 30 07:30 PST 1995 From: Matthew Goolsby Subject: Re: Here comes another one..... The worst song is Chaos (P=A). Catbutt From catbutt@prism.nmt.edu Wed Feb 1 06:57 PST 1995 From: Matthew Goolsby Subject: Re: psychedelic, man Say, Is the Church touring? Have tour dates been posted? Where can I find them? Catbutt From catbutt@prism.nmt.edu Thu Feb 2 08:11 PST 1995 From: Matthew Goolsby Subject: Re: An introduction and two questions Where can I find a Church discography? Catbutt From Matthew.Wimmer@m.cc.utah.edu Mon Jan 9 15:48 PST 1995 From: Matthew Wimmer Subject: Re: Church rips off Boston? (the blue oyster cult?!?) Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM I've noticed that too, but even more weird is that if you listen to Blue Oyster Cult's "Don't Fear the Reaper" a lot of it sounds like Kilbey & Co. could have written it... when did that thing come out anyway? The only time I ever hear it is on classic rock stations. So who's ripping off who here? From Matthew.Wimmer@m.cc.utah.edu Mon Jan 23 14:59 PST 1995 From: Matthew Wimmer Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Subject: re: worst song Ok, I have to differ with Maybe These Boys. It's pretty bad, but worst? You have to laugh at it, but I still like it-- it's so overdone. But at least it dosen't go on for 9 minutes. And it's not (overly) pretentious. And it's fun to listen to and think, man, those eighties. Unlike Chaos, which for me has to be the only church song I actively hate. Lousy guitar noise which makes you wish somebody, anybody, in the church had listened to more than a little Sonic Youth before they did it. If you have a tape it's endless even to fast forward through. My personal bid for worst. Now I'll get a reply exactly like this one. I want the new Jack Frost to come out, so that can be a thread. Although I am replying to this one, but in times of drought you've got to discuss something, eh? From Matthew.Wimmer@m.cc.utah.edu Thu Jan 26 10:18 PST 1995 From: Matthew Wimmer Cc: seance Subject: Re: missing cd tracks Random Pan and Pain in my Temples are ok, with Random Pan definitely being the better of the two, but I can see why they were left off CD. They're not, IMHO, some of Steve's best by any means. I copied them off a friends transaction ep (sorry steve)-- for me definitely worth copying, but nothing I'd rush out and buy the vinyl for, or even the ep-- if you could find them. From micka@jolt.mpx.com.au Thu Dec 15 22:27 PST 1994 From: Mick Anderson Subject: Introduction Hi everyone, If one new Anderson wasn't enough, then here's another (I've just finished reading Lily's post). I'm from Sydney, Australia and have been a Church fan for (not long enough I suppose) just 4 or 5 years. I knew a handful of their songs when I went to a concert about 4 years ago and although most of the songs I'd never heard before, I did like their style, and since then have gotten into them more and more. My favourite album is "Starfish" and generally speaking I prefer the newer albums to the older ones, but I should classify that by saying I haven't even heard all their older albums yet. I still love the older classics like "Unguarded Moment" and "Almost With You" though. I think the guitar work of the band is brilliant and sits well with the dark and powerful songs they write. As for lyrics, I find them pretty bizarre at times but always interesting. I saw their show on the Priest=Aura tour and they were sensational - really impressive. I've never discussed the Church with other fans before so, even though I don't know a whole bunch about the band, I'm glad to have this opportunity. Mick Anderson micka@jolt.mpx.com.au From micka@jolt.mpx.com.au Fri Dec 16 19:31 PST 1994 From: Mick Anderson Subject: Re: The Church Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Hi all, > LET'S SEE, HOW ABOUT WHAT IS YOUR BIGGEST/FAVORITE CHURCH OR BAND MEMBER > COLLECTABLE ITEM? MINE WOULD HAVE TO BE MY TEST PRESSING OF MARTY'S ALBUM > ART ATTACK, OR THE FRENCH 45 OF ALMOST WITH YOU, I LOVE THE COVER AND THE > PAPER IT'S MADE FROM. I don't have any collectibles yet, but I figured it's a good thread for me to ask a question. I bought a second hand copy of a CD "Russian Autumn Heart" that had the title track and four bonus songs not on GAF. The CD runs out at about 20 mins. I bought it cos I never knew of the other songs before, and never knew about the CD. Is this CD hard to come by? I have another question that's been bugging me for ages. I vaguely remember a video of a single the band put out around the time of GAF. When I bought the GAF CD I expected to find it there but none of the tracks sounded like what I recalled. And the song is not on the preceding or following albums either. My memory of the song is incredibly bad so I can't give any other clues to it. Except I think I saw the video once or twice on a commercial TV program (MTV probably) which is a bit of a rarity for the Church. Does anyone know what it might be? Perhaps I dreamed the whole thing and there is no such song. Yours vaguely, Mick From micka@jolt.mpx.com.au Fri Dec 16 20:23 PST 1994 Sender: micka@jolt.mpx.com.au (Mick Anderson) From: Mick Anderson Sender: Mick Anderson Reply-To: Mick Anderson Subject: Re: russian autumn heart Cc: seance Cynthia wrote: > is it the cd5 you're talking about Mick? Yep, that's the one. > There are plenty to be had in > the Boston area (used) and I would doubt it's rarity as all songs, except > RAH, are on Quick Smoke..., which is IMO by far the better musical > bang for your buck. Thanks for the tip. I've seen it around, so I'll pick it up some time soon. > And what's this about a P=A tour? I thought a follow-up tour never > happened for P=A, at least not in the states. I'd like to hear more, for > instance which band members showed (was JD on drums?) and which > songs were performed. I don't know how extensive that tour was. The Sydney show was at the Enmore Theatre. I can't say for sure who was on drums by I reckon JD was the one. Peter was there on guitar, but Steve said something about him leaving the band part way through the show. As for the set list, I don't have it. They opened with "Film" playing on tape before they came on stage, which was really creepy in a good sort of way :) A great opening. I'll try to list from memory what I heard: Film Aura Ripple Kings Metropolis You're Still Beautiful Grind Reptile North, South, East and West Tantalized Sorry, that's all I remember, but they played more that these. Mick From micka@jolt.mpx.com.au Fri Jan 20 19:23 PST 1995 From: Mick Anderson Subject: GAF I'll stick up for GAF seeing it's copped a bashing. It's not their greatest album but it's got plenty to offer. "Grind" is the best - it's an absolute beauty. I'm surprised "Metropolis" is so unpopular. I love that riff in the verses. If people think it's bland then I'd say "You're Still Beautiful" is blander, especially the chorus: a repeated, predictable melody. Overall I think GAF is pretty strong, "Laughing" and "Russian Autumn Heart" being good songs too. Mick From micka@jolt.mpx.com.au Tue Jan 31 04:51 PST 1995 From: Mick Anderson Subject: Sheet Music Cc: Church Hi gang, Smith, Brian wrote: > definitive chords ? Those going to the acoustic shows can take notes :). > I'll be the first to volunteer my collection, which I've built up over the > years. Of course, we'll include all solo material. If pressed, I'll > transcribe my Will I Start To Bleed. Count me in! I don't have any songbooks but I've worked out some Church songs. I have chords for: Almost with you It's no reason Monday morning Myrrh Tear it all away Unguarded moment Now how can we do this? We should upload them to the Guitar Archive at nevada@edu, so they can be available to everyone. Anyway, I like the idea of sharing some stuff amongst us, and combine efforts on figuring out songs nobody yet has. Mick From micka@jolt.mpx.com.au Mon Feb 6 04:27 PST 1995 Sender: micka@jolt.mpx.com.au (Mick Anderson) From: Mick Anderson Sender: Mick Anderson Reply-To: Mick Anderson Subject: Church Chords For those interested in the songs I promised last week, here they are: Almost With You It's No Reason Monday Morning Myrrh Tear It All Away Unguarded Moment I'll upload these to the Guitar Archive at nevada.edu sometime soon so they'll be available via anonymous ftp. Also if anyone finds mistakes in the songs please let me know. Anybody else willing to provide some songs? Mick ============================================================================= Almost With You (Church) C G Am7 G C G Am7 G C G Am7 Am7 G G D Em7 D (g) (f#) (e) See the chains which bind the men C Em7 D Am G Can you taste their lonely arrogance, uh oh oh D Em7 D (g) (f#) (e) It's always too late and your face is so cold C Em7 C D They struggled for this opulence G D Em7 D (g) (f#) (e) See the suns which blind the men C Em7 D Am G Burnt away so long before our time, uh oh oh D Em7 D (g) (f#) (e) Now their warmth is forgotten and gone C Em7 C D Pretty maids not far behind F Who you tryin' to get in touch with Em Who you tryin' to get in touch with D Who you tryin' to get in touch with C G Am7 G I'm almost with you, I can sense it wait for me C G Am7 G I'm almost with you, is this the taste of victory C G Am7 Am7 G I'm almost with you G D Em7 D (g) (f#) (e) See the dust which fills your sleep C Em7 D Am G Does it always feel this chill near the end, uh oh oh D Em7 D (g) (f#) (e) I never dreamed we'd meet here once more C Em7 C D This life reserved for a friend F Who you tryin' to get in touch with Em Who you tryin' to get in touch with D Who you tryin' to get in touch with C G Am7 G I'm almost with you, I can sense it wait for me C G Am7 G I'm almost with you, is this the taste of victory C G Am7 Am7 G I'm almost with you SOLO: d d d d c b c b g a b g f g a b c b c b g d e f# g f# d d d c b c b g g g g a b c d e f# g b b b a g d c c b g f g a b c b g d b c c b b c b a g f bb a f f e d d e d c b a g f# e d C G Am7 G I'm almost with you, I can sense it wait for me C G Am7 G I'm almost with you, is this the taste of victory C G Am7 G I'm almost with you, I can sense it wait for me C G Am7 G I'm almost with you, is this the taste of victory C G Am7 G C G Am7 G I'm almost with you, I'm almost with you C G Am7 Am7 G I'm almost with you ============================================================================= It's No Reason (Church) G Bm C D x----- Crocodile skin water, city shadows wait |||||| G Bm C D |||||o Put your head into your hands, the ending is so great ||||o| G Bm C D |||o|| Take a ride to sundown, buy a ticket home D(add B) G Bm C G Take all the things I've bought you, leave all the rest alone G Bm C D Marble skins turn human, people fade to grey G Bm C D Put your head into my hands, we'll make them go away G Bm C D As you're crying softly, you won't ever be disturbed G Bm C G Red on pink the sun will sink, have you even heard D(add B) D Em7 C And the colours take me down D(add B) D Em7 C It's no reason to be sad D(add B) D Em7 C And you leave without a sound D(add B) D Em7 F It's no reason to be glad G Bm C D Salty tears are wasted, children lie awake G Bm C D Put your head into my hands, don't let your spirit break G Bm C D Black smoke from the chimneys, white smoke from the hills G Bm C G Everything is moving, but we're standing still D(add B) D Em7 C And the colours take me down D(add B) D Em7 C It's no reason to be sad D(add B) D Em7 C And you leave without a sound D(add B) D Em7 F It's no reason to be glad G Bm C D Celebrations fading, boats upon the waves G Bm C D Put your head into my hands, trying to be brave G Bm C D The carnival has packed up, the storm has left us peace G Bm C G Poppies sleep undamaged, we drive into the east D(add B) D Em7 C And the colours take me down D(add B) D Em7 C It's no reason to be sad D(add B) D Em7 C And you leave without a sound D(add B) D Em7 F It's no reason to be glad G Bm C D G ============================================================================= d d e f# c# c# d e b b c# d c# c# d e d d e f# c# c# d e b b c# d c# d e d e D A G A Beyond this city, and evening dust D A G A Dreams and thunder, rattle the rust Em7 A You had an idea, that you won't have again She's forgotten your name, now it's nearly the same Started with ash, but end with a flame G Burning you, turning you D A G A There was a lifetime, spent in the sun D A G A Hundreds of chances, blew every one D A G A Dice rolled double six, double six double six D A G A Owner of trouble, flesh blood and bricks Em7 A You had an idea, that you won't have again She's forgotten your name, now it's nearly the same Started with ash, but end with a flame G Turning you, burning you F#m Em7 F#m Em7 Oh monday morning, the cracks become quite clear F#m Em7 G Oh monday morning, take me back, leave me here d d e f# c# c# d e b b c# d c# c# d e d d e f# c# c# d e b b c# d c# d e d e D A G A Beyond this city, and evening dust D A G A Dreams and thunder, rattle the rust Em7 A You had an idea, that you won't have again She's forgotten your name, now it's nearly the same Started with ash, but end with a flame G D Burning you, turning you around ============================================================================= Myrrh (Church) Am / G / Am / / / [a d a e d a c b c b g] x6 [ ] x4 Am Em f# g Emerald haunt in overdrive Nightmare descent into Jericho City Camel dust heralds our arrival New Christ beneath the drum kit moon F G Oh lord we are threatened again In the slipstream pull of the federal men Plummet in some seamless night Down here to earth it's hopeless then Am Em f# g Apache gunmen in the boiling crowd Who never got to meet you last time We're interrupted by the telephone You didn't think they were invented then F G Oh lord we need miracles We need more wine and gold We need slaves and roads and personal favours We need microphones and manifolds F#m E F#m E How can you be so invisible, give me the nerves to see A D F#m E Privilege on privilege, an unwanted discovery Am Em f# g [ ] x4 F G [ ] x4 Am Em f# g So now we're cruising down this shuddering highway With a dead sun shining on my back And we talk about the way people treat us back there The hollow laughter the pain in their eyes F G Oh my lord I trust your intentions But money strangles our love Struggling like a fool with my junk and my jewels You would have thought I'd had enough F#m E F#m E How can you be so invisible, give me the nerves to see A D F#m E Privilege on privilege, an unwanted discovery Am Em f# g [ ] x4 F G [ ] x4 F#m E F#m E How can you be so invisible, give me the nerves to see A D F#m E Privilege on privilege, an unwanted discovery Am Em f# g [ ] x4 F G [ ] x4 ============================================================================= Tear It All Away (Church) D(f# f# f# e f# f# e f# | f# f# g f# g f# e f#) (notes added to D chord) People say to see is to believe Then they just believe in that they can perceive What they see is not the total view Filtered between the me and you G F#m G But I'm trying so hard, just to tell you I care F#m Em C And I've wanted so long, to tear it all away, tear it all away D(f# f# f# e f# f# e f# | f# f# g f# g f# e f#) (notes added to D chord) People say well you just had to be there And all the time you know they've never been there And it makes me sad to sit and think All those empty souls are nearly at the brink G F#m G But I'm trying so hard, just to open my eyes F#m Em C To seeing some things, that tear it all away, tear it all away D(f# f# f# e f# f# e f# | f# f# g f# g f# e f#) (notes added to D chord) People grow up and learn to drive some car But I did that and it doesn't get you far The things you want are never to be found And in the end it's all some running round G F#m G But I'm trying so hard, just to keep to myself F#m Em C The things that I hope, will tear it all away, tear it all away G / / D7 / / G / / Em / / G / / D7 / / G / / D7 / / G / / Em D C D I thought you would know, I thought you would know D(f# f# f# e f# f# e f# | f# f# g f# g f# e f#) (notes added to D chord) People say they think that they are sure But then they turn away and don't go back no more What they saw was not the perfect sight Just their own face reflected in the night G F#m G But I'm trying so hard, just to tell you it's now F#m Em C And I'm gonna keep on trying, to tear it all away, tear it all away D(f# f# f# e f# f# e f# | f# f# g f# g f# e f#) [ ] Repeat and fade ============================================================================= Unguarded Moment (Church) C (f) (g) (g) C (f) G [ ] x4 C F C So hard finding inspiration, I knew you'd find me crying G Tell those girls with rifles for minds Em That their jokes don't make me laugh F C F G They only make me feel like dying in an unguarded moment C (f) (g) (g) C (f) G C F C So long long between mirages, I knew you'd find me drinking G Tell those men with horses for hearts Em That their jibes don't make me bleed F C F G They only make me feel like shrinking in an unguarded moment D A D A Bb C Bb [ ] x2 D A D A Bb C C (f) (g) (g) C (f) G [ ] x2 C F C So deep deep without a meaning, I knew you'd find me leaving G Tell those friends with cameras for eyes Em That their hands don't make me hang F C F They only make me feel like breathing in an unguarded moment C F G C In an unguarded moment, in an unguarded moment F C F G C [ In an unguarded moment] x4 [ in an unguarded moment] x2 F G C F G C (f) (g) (g) C (f) G C [ ] x4 ============================================================================= THE END From micka@jolt.mpx.com.au Thu Feb 9 15:56 PST 1995 From: Mick Anderson Subject: Just how good is Marty? Recent mentions of Marty's ability on guitar, prompts me to ask this question. How does Marty compare with the legendary rock guitarists (Hendrix, Clapton, or whomever takes your fancy) in terms of ability? I don't have the knowledge to make a judgment myself but I'm interested in other's opinion on this. Mick From micka@jolt.mpx.com.au Thu Mar 2 03:07 PST 1995 From: Mick Anderson Subject: Some chords Two things: 1. I need some help with the words to "Business Woman" from "Sometime Anywhere". I've put my "guess" below so if anyone can make corrections or fill the blanks, I'd be grateful. There's bound to be lots of mistakes in my version so feel free to differ. I have the chords figured for this so once I get the words right I'll post the whole thing. 2. I have chords for "Lullaby" from the same album and this is below too. ============================================================================= Business Woman (Church) Imagine her, all of her wealth, and in the arms of somebody else I imagine her in bed With her communication skills, cabinet full of creams and pills Paying the bills, being well read You'll never understand, the wonderful mind of the woman Powerful beauty in her eyes Look at that business woman, she's got a head on her shoulders Look at that business woman, she's not that much older than you When she reveals in her soul, ............... When she reveals her secret life All of the gifts come dear and swift, promise her anything only if You're gonna have to leave your wife She'll never understand, the wonderful mind of the woman Beautiful power in her eyes Look at that business woman, she's got a head on her shoulders Look at that business woman, she's not that much older than you And when she comes the stars explode, exquisite results in ........ Just when she comes she's suddenly gone Maybe you'll find her maybe you won't, maybe she loves you maybe she don't Maybe you'll find you are alone You'll never comprehend, all of her means all of her ends Business woman in her eyes Look at that business woman, she's got a head on her shoulders Look at that business woman, she's not that much older than you Look at that business woman, she's got a head on her shoulders Look at that business woman, she's not that much older than you ============================================================================ Lullaby (Church) d d g f# g b a d d g f# g b a D We come to pay homage to the golden one We share and bare the message of your newborn son A We follow paths of falling stars, in and out of mangers, other bars D Opportunity knocked you up I guess Gave you your little baby's success A You've got potential, you have the gift You have the chance to heal a million rifts F Bb F Bb We've been sent to sing a lullaby for you F Bb F Bb We've been sent to sing a lullaby D We've brought oils golden wine and bread Dreaming pillow for his divine head A Astrologers all we plot the charts And wise men we can look into people's hearts D A doom is on this child that I can see He don't belong in this time of you and me A His life will not be very long, before you know it he will be gone F Bb F Bb We've been sent to sing a lullaby for you F Bb F Bb We've been sent to sing a lullaby NB: The intro notes can or should be played throughout all the D chords. ============================================================================= Mick From toad@u.washington.edu Sat Dec 17 15:04 PST 1994 Sat, 17 Dec 94 15:02:40 -0800 X-Sender: toad@homer01.u.washington.edu From: Mike Minahan Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Subject: Re: The Church On Fri, 16 Dec 1994 BROWNKB@ml.wpafb.af.mil wrote: > PETER KOPPES SOLD OUT TO CORPORATE SPONSORSHIP. I WAS IN A GUITAR SHOP > YESTERDAY, AND SAW A POSTER OF ALL THE PEOPLE WHO INDORSE TAYLOR GUITARS > AND HE WAS ONE OF THEM. OH WELL, A TAYLOR IS A GREAT GUITAR. THIS IS JUST > TRIVA NEWS, BUT THE LINES HAVE BEEN KIND OF SLOW LATELY. Sold out to corporate sponsorship?! Who hasn't? Isn't that how most of us make our living? Just stirring things up a bit... Mike From toad@u.washington.edu Tue Dec 20 14:39 PST 1994 Tue, 20 Dec 94 14:36:39 -0800 X-Sender: toad@homer03.u.washington.edu From: Mike Minahan Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Subject: Re: COLLECTABLES On Sun, 18 Dec 1994, Richard W. Powell x71123/ESD/8-23-KP wrote: > Eve wrote: > > (eve crawling into a hole after her zillionth posting to the list) > > [Dick following Eve into the hole...] That took guts to write! M From toad@u.washington.edu Thu Dec 29 13:56 PST 1994 Thu, 29 Dec 94 13:56:02 -0800 X-Sender: toad@homer15.u.washington.edu From: Mike Minahan Cc: Church mailing-list Subject: Re: mtv unplugged On Wed, 28 Dec 1994, Nicole B. Hall wrote: > I'm working without a real editor so please forgive any future typos :) > Can someone remind me about the mtv unplugged show? I need to know > > 2.) Who it was that did a song with Marty (Julian Cope?) Jules Holland, I think. Mike From toad@u.washington.edu Sun Jan 1 21:18 PST 1995 Sun, 1 Jan 95 19:41:28 -0800 X-Sender: toad@homer06.u.washington.edu From: Mike Minahan Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Subject: Re: just wondering On Fri, 30 Dec 1994 Beebster@aol.com wrote: > I do know that there are about 10 shows scheduled on the US West coast in > Jan/Feb '95, and heard there is the possiblity of some east coast dates in > April. I've heard of no definite dates yet. > > - Cath > Are there any scheduled for the northwest, or are they all down in Cali? Thanks, Mike From toad@u.washington.edu Fri Jan 13 10:43 PST 1995 Fri, 13 Jan 95 10:42:02 -0800 X-Sender: toad@homer22.u.washington.edu From: Mike Minahan Cc: seance Subject: Re: mystery On Thu, 12 Jan 1995, Cynthia Winters wrote: > I believe he has stated over > and over again in interviews that he is not keen on publishing lyrics for > this very reason: they can extinguish someone else's interpretation/fantasy. > > Cynthia On many Church songs, the lyrics are very difficult to make out. I like to come up with my own understanding of what songs should mean; but I can only do this when I can hear the lyrics correctly. But then again, maybe what I think I hear is good enough. Sometimes it makes more sense than what the singer is actually singing. However, when I start guessing about lyrics, I miss the opportunity to figure out what the singer had in mind when writing the song. In my perfect world, all albums would come with correctly printed lyrics. You don't have to read them, ya know. Mike From toad@u.washington.edu Fri Jan 20 12:42 PST 1995 Fri, 20 Jan 95 12:40:58 -0800 X-Sender: toad@homer21.u.washington.edu From: Mike Minahan Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Subject: Re: TBT redux On Fri, 20 Jan 1995, Huskers wrote: > One thing I noticed, however, is that not one of you defended Gold > Afternoon Fix. Was it lost in the rush to defend TBT, or do most > folks agree with me? While there were some excellent cuts on that > disc, I was terribly disappointed on the whole. > > Aaron I think it's okay...pretty close to Starfish...and I like both more than Priest=Aura. I'm more a fan of their earlier stuff (before Starfish); but I am now getting into Sometime Anywhere. Just throwing my handful of rice. Mike From toad@u.washington.edu Mon Jan 23 12:44 PST 1995 Mon, 23 Jan 95 12:41:23 -0800 X-Sender: toad@homer09.u.washington.edu From: Mike Minahan Cc: SEANCE Subject: Re: Here comes another one..... Personally, I think Terra Nova Cain sucks.... O ________ OO \ \_______ OOOOO))>>===| _ \ Mike Minahan O O OO | I===| |==================================|H=H] OO | I===|_|==================================|H=H] OOOOO))>>===| o o _______/ toad@u.washington.edu O O OO /_______/ O From toad@u.washington.edu Tue Jan 24 11:26 PST 1995 Tue, 24 Jan 95 11:25:07 -0800 X-Sender: toad@homer07.u.washington.edu From: Mike Minahan Cc: seance Subject: Re: worst church productions On Tue, 24 Jan 1995, Jason Benda wrote: > > > First off, anyone who says that ANY song off of P=A is bad > (except ripple) is sentenced to 10 hours in a room, chained down, > listening to nothing but the new Shampoo EP. I can't really say that P=A is bad because I can never make it all the way through the album. I have to hit stop before I'm lulled into unconsciousness when I try to listen to it. I'll try it again tonight, though. As of today, P=A is a real sleeper for me. Mike From toad@u.washington.edu Tue Jan 24 13:09 PST 1995 Tue, 24 Jan 95 13:07:51 -0800 X-Sender: toad@homer13.u.washington.edu From: Mike Minahan Cc: Beebster@aol.com, seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Subject: re: worst song On Tue, 24 Jan 1995, Peter James Rasmussen wrote: > I will refrain from annoucing two of my least favorites because I fear I > would be killed. > > > > Peter Ah, come on...we`ll understand. We're a nice group...really. M From toad@u.washington.edu Tue Jan 24 13:14 PST 1995 Tue, 24 Jan 95 13:12:56 -0800 X-Sender: toad@homer13.u.washington.edu From: Mike Minahan Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM, mbromley@dme.nt.gov.au Subject: Re: Worst On Tue, 24 Jan 1995 JesusUK@aol.com wrote: > I wonder if I'll get harassed for this? > > 1. Constant in Opal > > 2. Blood Money > > 3. Maybe These Boys > > > Bill Constant in Opal was the first Church song I heard; so for me it's out of the running. But come to think of it, it`s probably one of my favorites; as is Remote Luxury for Church albums. M From toad@u.washington.edu Wed Feb 8 10:49 PST 1995 Wed, 8 Feb 95 10:49:03 -0800 X-Sender: toad@homer18.u.washington.edu From: Mike Minahan Subject: unsubscrie unsubscribe From ecdnt@cent1.lancs.ac.uk Tue Nov 29 19:28 PST 1994 From: Mr N Tsotros Subject: seance-info@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi there. I'd like to subscribe in your mailing list. Please send me further info. Thanx in advance !! Nick Tsotros From ecdnt@cent1.lancs.ac.uk Tue Dec 6 05:19 PST 1994 From: Mr N Tsotros Subject: NICK'S VOTES Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well it's never too late to vote. Here's my faves: Best album: Starfish ( difficult choice between that and P=A i must admit) Best songs: 1) Film ( The best instrumental i've ever heard. Too cool to be true ! ) 2) North, South ,East and West 3) Transient That's all dudes. Hope everyone votes for 'Film'.!!!! Cattch ya later. From NJANDREW@GENVAX.GLAMORGAN.AC.UK Wed Jan 4 05:33 PST 1995 From: NJANDREW@GENVAX.GLAMORGAN.AC.UK Via: uk.ac.glamorgan.genvax; Wed, 4 Jan 1995 13:31:27 +0000 Subject: Rumour,lies,intrigue,gossip and money etc This may or may not be of interest (or even factually inaccurate !) but prompted by Eve, I will relate it to you all..... Over the Xmas hols I met a girl through a friend who lives in Surrey Hills, Sydney, Oz and she told me that she often sees Mr Kilbey in her local Post Office !! Also, he (alledgedly) only lives in a 'fairly grotty little' flat, not far from her.....(ref: the recent debate about his current wealth/status) She also said that he lives alone now, not with KJ and the twins. Also went on to recount that she shares a place with some guys in a band called The Catherine Wheel who have supported The Church a few times and have ended up almost running after Steve to get paid for their fee (hence the reference in credits on their records to SK and thanks for the 50 dollars!) * some confusion exists here as to which band this is, as Graham (another UK contributor) and I have heard of at least one other band of the same name from over here * I could have quizzed her for ages but didnt see her for that long PLUS I dont know how reliable her info is ... PS: To all the folks who requested The Church/Triffids tape, I havent forgotten I've just had some technical probs getting my tape-to-tape sorted...Im on the case but it will be about another week. From NJANDREW@GENVAX.GLAMORGAN.AC.UK Thu Jan 12 11:12 PST 1995 Via: uk.ac.glamorgan.genvax; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 17:09:44 +0000 From: NJANDREW@GENVAX.GLAMORGAN.AC.UK Subject: Two pennies worth...shoved in !! My thoughts on SK's lyrics: I've seen a few strands developing in there, One is his very cynical attitude to the USA in general but especially LA cheesey glitz (eg:N,S,E & W) Tantalized seems the most overt drug song. Religion comes under the Cynical KIlbey Eye occasionally ( I think that is Aura ) and I feel The Music Biz is another preferred target, not every song seems wholly about one topic but a heavy cynicism runs through everything and there are a few themes that seem to run through constantly. But I agree different things occur to different people and thats important most things are multi- layered anyhow............ and I could be wrong...... Neil. From NJANDREW@GENVAX.GLAMORGAN.AC.UK Tue Feb 14 12:33 PST 1995 Via: uk.ac.glamorgan.genvax; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 17:23:59 +0000 From: NJANDREW@GENVAX.GLAMORGAN.AC.UK Subject: This was horrible to do...... Desert Island Disillusion Here are a few things that mean (or have meant) something to me........ Black Sabbath Vol 4 (The Grandaddy of Grunge) Pink Floyd Animals Rush ..something without the screeching but lots of drums... Paw Dragline ( King Slackers from Hickville ) Kyuss Blues for the Red Sun & Sky Valley squashed together.... Monster Magnet Spine of God Ry Cooder The thing from Paris Texas....walking-around-lost-type music Magazine Real Life Nirvana Nevermind or Unplugged The Church everything of course, except SA and P=A minced together and the low-lights removed.. Book : The Magus by Mr J Fowles Luxury Item : either A bottle of Southern Comfort (family size) or A Ferrari Dino 246 GT (even if theres no roads or fuel, I could look at it all day) or A Frisby !! From NJANDREW@GENVAX.GLAMORGAN.AC.UK Wed Feb 22 06:12 PST 1995 Via: uk.ac.glamorgan.genvax; Wed, 22 Feb 1995 11:59:57 +0000 From: NJANDREW@GENVAX.GLAMORGAN.AC.UK Subject: Tshirts.. I like the collage idea (in fact, I suggested it didnt I??) But I think the Statue cover is rather gaudy and tacky.... (sorry to upset the apple cart) Neil. From NJANDREW@GENVAX.GLAMORGAN.AC.UK Wed Feb 22 12:30 PST 1995 Via: uk.ac.glamorgan.genvax; Wed, 22 Feb 1995 16:30:05 +0000 From: NJANDREW@GENVAX.GLAMORGAN.AC.UK Subject: I think thats what he said.... Re: Church Live quips and Incidents.... At the Birmingham show on the GAF tour, a short way through the gig, people started crying out for older stuff to be played. [It'd all been post-Starfish up to that point] A rowdy hooligan (er, me actually) shouted 'get yer old stuff out!!' to which SK replied 'you get your old stuff out !!' {that told me..} and then after a few more chants for some old stuff,.... 'Look,' Mr Kilbey says ' you dont expect people to keep wearing the same clothes that they did ten years ago!!' 'YOU DO !!' cried the front row almost in unison... 'hmmm ok, you're right there!' A few songs later SK sheepishly introduces 'Tantalized' as an 'old one'. PART TWO At the one-off London show earlier that year they came out playing Pharoah and it was underwhelmingly quiet. Some rowdy hooligan (er, me again, sorry) and others shouted 'turn it up!!' SK mumbles something like ..'we're trying to, er, um, acheive some kind of [tries to make arty statement]..(tails off, looks round at MWP and PK) 'Oh what the hell!! TURN IT UP!!' Well, I laughed anyway..... I loved the reviewer in a Melbourne mag reviewing the '88 gig when he finished with the comment 'It was just TOO DAMN LOUD!!' [The above are probably not strictly accurate quotes but the 'essence' is there] NJA. From NJANDREW@GENVAX.GLAMORGAN.AC.UK Mon Feb 27 07:40 PST 1995 Via: uk.ac.glamorgan.genvax; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 13:15:50 +0000 From: NJANDREW@GENVAX.GLAMORGAN.AC.UK Subject: T shirts I would like to second, third or fourth the 'continents away' lyric for the shirt couplet. Its not dazzling but its very apt for us lot!! Also, I dont see why the shirt shouldnt have the address displayed proudly on it as it is for US ! (It would be great to meet others at gigs and put names to faces) Also, I dont think we should choose fancy designs or anything at all comical and we have to have a consensus as there must be a hundreds of us on the list now (actual figure anyone?..Morten??) so they will be never be any agreement otherwise. Simple and Classy I say..... NJA From NJANDREW@GENVAX.GLAMORGAN.AC.UK Thu Mar 2 12:32 PST 1995 Via: uk.ac.glamorgan.genvax; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 14:14:03 +0000 From: NJANDREW@GENVAX.GLAMORGAN.AC.UK Subject: Love... What do you mean it sounds like we love each other??? We DO, dont we ???? Ok, so how about several couplets then, lovey and otherwise. I think it might be the only way we get this thing completed... NJA From pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Fri Mar 3 10:38 PST 1995 From: Paul Maurice Webb Subject: picture That grainy, alley shot of the band from the tantalized 12" is also used as the cover for the Columbus 12" promo, if it's the one I'm thinking of. -paul From kdwst2+@pitt.edu Thu Dec 1 16:11 PST 1994 From: Peas & Carrots Subject: Re: drummers Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM On Thu, 1 Dec 1994, Pdr Ekstrand wrote: > > I don't agree that Ploog is such a bad drummer. He's actually one > of my favourites. He is (was) a 1/4 of the Church sound with his > personal and rythmic style. JD may be a technically better drummer > and he has is own style which don't sound as "Churchy" as Ploog > to me. I think that Priest=Aura is a good album but I miss Ploog's > drum style to make it a "real" church album and the new album is > definatly something else. > > It is real stupid to rate music on technical merit. > > Per I couldn't agree more! Ploog's drumming is great, no matter how "technical" he may or may not be. He has his own style which is far more important than anything when it comes to a drummer. I, too, considered him 1/4 of the Church, and when he left I was really upset, thinking that no one could ever fill his drum seat. But I found that Jay Dee Daugherty was really a great drummer or should I say had a great style -of his own- which really interfaced well with the Church. No, he didn't "replace" his style (thank god), but I found that his style really did fit in well with the Church, something that I thought I'd never say. Just listen to "film" from P=A and you'll realize how great he fits in. I still like Ploog's style better overall, though :) That was one of the pretty cool things about the Church; A lot of emphasis was mostly placed on the guitar work, since it was so incredible, not to mention Kilbey's brilliant lyrics, wonderful voice & hey, he's a pretty damn good bass player, too! But as much as all the other elements were nothing short of incredible, I never saw the drums as a weak spot. They could've gotten away with having some boring, crappy drummer & still been a great band, just because of how great the rest of the band is, but instead they had Ploog, who was a very important factor in the Church "sound". Some of the drumming on HEYDAY and REMOTE LUXURY is just incredible, IMHO. I guess the only disclaimer that goes along with this is that I really do like SA, with just Steve & Marty. They have, miraculously, made a "real" Church album without Ploog & Koppes. As much as I liked Ploog's drumming & Koppes' guitar work, Let's face it: Those two (Richard & Peter) NEVER could have pulled off a Church album on their own. Nothing personal against Peter, but the solo stuff I heard from him was pretty terrible. Marty's on the other hand is _quite_ good, and Steve's is of course, INCREDIBLE. There is no doubt in my mind, Steve is the real genious of the outfit. Yeah, Marty is really great too, but Steve really has the most "creativity" IMHO. Look how great "Unearthed" is. Have I rambled on long enough? What was I originally trying to say, anyways ? P&C From kdwst2+@pitt.edu Sat Dec 10 07:20 PST 1994 From: Peas & Carrots Subject: Re: Get a life Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM On Fri, 9 Dec 1994, Rhonda Corcoran wrote: > First of all, I'm really surprised at the lack of votes for > Remindlessness. Should I assume the fickle minded and hearted would have Yeah, this album is incredible! I have the vinyl, but Does anyone happen to know where I could muster up a CD copy? any info appreciated.. P&C From kdwst2+@pitt.edu Mon Jan 23 17:23 PST 1995 by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu with SMTP (8.6.9/cispo $Revision: 1.11 $) From: Peas & Carrots Subject: Worst Church Song... Awwwww, C'mon! That's like taking a litter of puppies and trying to pick one that isn't cute... Ok, Ok, I know... THE UNGUARDED MOMENT ?!?!! Well, actually I LIKE the song, but I seem to remember Kilbey saying in an interview that HE personally "hates the fucking song" and that he wishes that he wouldn't have written it or something like that. (If I can dig up the actual interview, I may try & post it... maybe one of the very old Bucketfull of Brains interviews?? I can't remember off the top of my forgetful head. How about this: Anyone happen to have any reliable info on our Boys' favorite bands? Don't you all just wonder what bands they sit around & listen to ?? p&c From kdwst2+@pitt.edu Wed Jan 25 20:20 PST 1995 by post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu with SMTP (8.6.9/cispo $Revision: 1.11 $) From: Peas & Carrots Subject: Remindlessness on CD This album is great! I have it on vinyl, but I'd love to get it on CD. Can anyone tell me where it may be available?? Any info appreciated. Thanks! Kent From raspet@homer.acs.bethel.edu Wed Nov 30 11:43 PST 1994 From: Peter James Rasmussen Subject: Re: The Triffids Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM To all, I don't think I have ever introduced myself. I have been reading comments for about a month or two silently. I'm greatful to be on this list. Seeing the enormous discography was a little daunting. I was pleased with finding and aquiring Hindsight and a qUICK sMOKE aT sPOTS at the local (Minneapolis Minnesota) import shop, Northern Lights. If anyone has a better recommendation for tracking down imports in MPLS, I'm open to suggestions. My favorite album: P=A, followed by Heyday and SA. Least Favorites: Of Skins and Heart(US) and Gold Afternoon Fix (I found out on a radio interview that SK was VERY down on GAF{Modern Rock Live: January 92} Favorite songs: Myrrh, Shadow Cabinet, Month of Sundays, Constant in Opel, No Reason, Luster, Pharaoh, Trance Ending, You can leave your clothes on, many many more. (gosh this list makes me want to go back to my room and have a ten hour Church service) Never seen them live. No paisley shirts. Favorite solo album: Remindlessness. Is anyone interested in putting together an outakes DAT that would NOT include 1 songs on major albums 2 songs on Hindsight or QSOS 3 acoustic or live versions mentioned songs mentioned above. This would include songs like Warm spell. In addition to the above list, I am looking for the following in MPLS. -Fake -Narcosis I am a student at Bethel College in St. Paul Minnesota. I study Economics and Political Science. I grew up in the Middle East so I warm to some of SK's lyrics. Anyway... I agree with the critique of Ploog. I have always had doubts about Ploog's talent. I am to young to know why Nick Ward(?) left the band. Was he worse? I think my favorite pre-JD drum part is at the end of Myrrh. Great Claves or whatever they were. The part is certainly not technically brilliant. It just compliments the song perfectly. (the ultimate compliment of a band member IMHO) I was very impressed with the drums on P=A. I think Luster has the best drumming of any Church song. Aura it self seems very unsteady drum wise. It seems as though JD was listening to the track for the first time, sticking to one line and adding hesitant crashes occasionally. I can almost picture SK gesturing frantically for fills from an isolated mixing room. I really like the drums in Authority off the new one. They are very similar to 'Who's gonna ride your wild horses' by those other guys (who have received more than their fair share of attention) The thing is I love A and hate W.G.R.Y.W.H. I think it's in the guitaring guitar and lyrics. (I do like most of u2's stuff but I think that W.G.R.Y.W.H. is about the worst song I've ever heard.) P.S. Authority is the only song that has used the word "bullshit" and not sounded stupid. Peter Rasmussen MPLS Minnesota USA From raspet@homer.acs.bethel.edu Wed Dec 7 09:15 PST 1994 From: Peter James Rasmussen Subject: Re: hindsight Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM On Tue, 6 Dec 1994, Raj Baman wrote: > is there anything on hindsight, that i, loyal church aficianado that i am, > need to have, meaning, not on anything i own...which is : all the domestic > release (US) albums (meaning art form, not media. I own CDs)? in other > words, is it worth shelling out 35 bux for the import at tower records? > well...that's my question...feel free to answer it... > mephisto > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Thank you very much. Please drive through. > I think that "The Night is Very Soft" and "Trance Ending" make the set worth it's wieght in gold. Peter From raspet@homer.acs.bethel.edu Wed Dec 7 13:47 PST 1994 From: Peter James Rasmussen Subject: Re: The Band's Faves Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM I thought It might be worth mentioning some info I picked up on a radio interview in January of 1992. It was on "Modern Rock Live" an national program. I got to ask the band (SK, MWP, PK, and JDD) what their each of their favorite songs were. SK's response was, "By who?" My answer was, "of the Church." SK said, "I get asked this question a lot and I always answer 'happy hunting ground' and I haven't regreted it since." PK, "Yeah, I'll go along with that one." JDD, "Me too." Host, "Marty?" MWP, "I'd have to say It's Chaos...of the new one." Host, "Really..." ...and then the host went on to ask some asinine about being rock hero's or something. I was curious as to what Chaos was because P=A hadn't come out yet. When I heard the song I laughed hard picturing the joy MWP evidently got from doing those clever back up vocals. I have the interview on tape. Does any one want me to transcribe it if I have time over Christmas break (I'm currently engauged in a very frustrating paper on the feminist economic implications of workfare in the states. I know you're all fascinated.) Peter From raspet@homer.acs.bethel.edu Wed Dec 7 13:54 PST 1994 From: Peter James Rasmussen Subject: Re: Votes for Solo Works! Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Folks, I agree that PK's work doesn't match SK's. I'm not a fan of MWP's either but their are two songs that I like quite a bit. One is "Time is imaginary" from Rhyme of course. You gotta love that cello. The other is "Into the Bright Light" I think that it has to be one of the best songs ever. I'm not sure why. The lyric concept is good although it falls through in a couple spots but geez, if "jangle" guitar was ever done perfectly, this has got to be it. Peter PS I couldn't bring myself to vote. I'd have better luck asking my grandma which of her grandkids she likes best. From raspet@homer.acs.bethel.edu Wed Dec 7 13:59 PST 1994 From: Peter James Rasmussen Subject: Re: The Votes Are In!! Cc: Jason Withrow , seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM I'm in for up to US$20 plus postage if we could score some nice paislys Peter On Wed, 7 Dec 1994, Guerilla wrote: > > > That was great seeing all the tallies. I'd like to thank you Jason for > going through all that trouble to get an idea of what we are all > listening to. > > A funny idea I just had, is something that people over on the Marillion > mailing list (Freaks) have done over the past year. The Freaks list jave > been making their own T-shirts with the band logos and the mailing list > internet address. All for fun, not trying to make a profit or anything. > > I imagine a Seance mailing list shirt: really trippy paisly shirts with > our own logo, and SEANCE@thechurch.ebay.sun.com. If only there could be > cheap paislies to find.... > > Now, I AM NOT saying I am going to go to the trouble of ordering, making, > and distributing the shirts. I'm far, far too lazy for such a project. > > Just thinking out load... > > -Scott > Subject: Re: Traveling Tunes Cc: Church mailing-list On Wed, 11 Jan 1995, Nicole B. Hall wrote: > On Wed, 11 Jan 1995 > I'm usually not so good at > getting meaning out of whole songs or albums, I usually find things > relevant to my life in simple phrases or lines and leave it at that. And > not that any interpretations would be WRONG, of course. ;) > > nicole > > | Nicole Hall | I'll try to write you a | > | Western Washington University | letter from the cyclone's eye | > | n9282183@henson.cc.wwu.edu | -The Church | > To me this is a curious statement. Can interpretations be wrong? I'm not sure either way. Does anyone have any thoughts on an authors intent (be it lyrical, musical, visual, whatever). My thoughts: I guess I consider my self an sort of anti-relatavist. I understand that this is very unpopular these days. That doesn't necessarily mean I'm a dogmatic bastard that will insist that everyone accept my opinions on the intended meanings of SK or anyone else. I'm sure (though I don't have specific references) that SK would encourage listeners to take what they can from songs. I think that is a great idea. I guess I'm also caught up in the original intent of a piece. What is the artist trying to say to me about himself/herself, about the way that he or she sees the world? That message is important. Although, I agree that the thought processes generated by actual lyrics or even "misheard" is important for each individual, I would give the original intent of the artist the greater weight. Although the statement, "not that any interpretations would be wrong" doesn't wholly sit well with me, I can accept it and give a half-nod. The last two words "of course" do bother me. They casually dismiss a very important and defendable perspective that I and maybe 1% of the other Church fans out there have. I don't mean to be too anal but I wanted to share that and find out what others thought. I'm also looking for people to discuss the lyrics to "Kings." (Now I'm sure you're all groaning and wish I would shut up and just enjoy the magic...I do that too.) Thanks for not commenting on spelling errors, Peter Rasmussen Mpls, MN USA From raspet@homer.acs.bethel.edu Fri Jan 13 08:07 PST 1995 From: Peter James Rasmussen Subject: Re: mystery Cc: seance On Thu , 12 Jan 1995, Cynthia Winters wrote: > I believe he has stated over > and over again in interviews that he is not keen on publishing lyrics for > this very reason: they can extinguish someone else's interpretation/fantasy. > > Cynthia > First- Thanks to everyone who has been responding to my "statement." Second- I love the fact that lyrics are not printed. It bothers me that people are seldom given the chance to struggle with want an artist is saying. I'm not talking about being esoteric and obtuse for their own sakes. I just really enjoy the way that lyrics reveal themselves gradually over time. I've noticed that many of my favorite bands do not include lyrics (Church, Coctuea Twins, Lloyd Cole {though he is usually pretty obvious}, Sonic Youth {since Daydream Nation}, Beatles {pre-Pepper}, PJ Harvey, Gabriel-era Genesis, Velvet Undergroud, the limited Eno I've heard). Gosh, the list is longer than I thought and I'm sure I could go on. I do like eventually finding out what was said, but for some reason with the Church it's different. I spent an evening ftping their stuff recently but when I had it printed I couldn't bear to read it. I felt like the development would be over. I guess I like to struggle with meanings/intentions. It makes me listen more frequently than I would otherwise. BTW- mentioning pre-Pepper Beatles reminded me of Revolver. Does anyone else out there think that the album was slighted by the hoopla over Pepper? I think that the Lennon tracks on there are some of the best music I've ever heard (esp. Tomorrow never knows). Peter From raspet@homer.acs.bethel.edu Sat Jan 21 13:31 PST 1995 From: Peter James Rasmussen Sender: Peter James Rasmussen Reply-To: Peter James Rasmussen Subject: Business Woman and Record Show Cc: Huskers , seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Someone said, "I like GAF the least as well. I don't care for Metropolis, it was too bland IMO, sort of like Business Woman." (I just cut and paste to aviod the whole message) I was curious, Is BW supposed to be a joke? If it is I think it is pretty amusing, buthe way that MWP (or was it SK) apoligized for it in "that one interview" I'm not so sure. I enjoy but do not take it seriously at all.(that seems to help for this song) Other Info- I was a record show this morning at the Coffmen (sp?)union on the University of Minnesota campus. It was my first show. I forgot to tell those of you in MPLS (are there any of you?). Here's what I saw- Seance (french edition w/blue instead of US pink) UTMW 12" (musk was the b side) Feel CD 5 (5(?) remixes) Ripple CD single (no other tracks) Promo Photos from P=A. (It was great to see a decent picture of JD) Promo notes to albums. OK, here's the point where everyone petitions to kick me off the list... I didn't buy anything. (sorry, I'm a little low on cash) Musk was the temptation. I did read the promo to P=A written by SK himself. Here is what I recall... -all recorded in Sydney -written and recorded over 3 months -Back and forth between a rehearsal room and a small studio. -lustre was written the first day followed the same day by the disillusionist(no lyrics that day) -songs were written to be fun to play and fun to listen to. (odd because this does not strike me as a "fun" album. Which do you folks think are "fun?" I guess I think of water slides as fun, not church albums.) -Mentioned that JD seemed to beat songs methodically or something. I don't remember the phrase but it was a compliment. That's about all I remember. Peter Mpls, MN USA From raspet@homer.acs.bethel.edu Tue Jan 24 09:26 PST 1995 From: Peter James Rasmussen Subject: re: worst song Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Oh, and as long as I'm here, I hereby cast my vote for Maybe These Boys as worst song. P.U. ; ) - Cath :D -I don't think it is a great song either. BUT, When I first started playing guitar i loved it. All the parts where soo obvious and symetrically introduced that it made perfect sense. Now I'm just mildly amused. Maybe those boys should do some explaining. (I'm completely joking) I will refrain from annoucing two of my least favorites because I fear I would be killed. Peter From raspet@homer.acs.bethel.edu Tue Jan 24 09:37 PST 1995 From: Peter James Rasmussen Sender: Peter James Rasmussen Reply-To: Peter James Rasmussen Subject: Re: Business Woman and Record Show Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM now the under the milky way single.. musk is definately worth it. Noted. Can you descibe it. Is it a full fledged song or more like "Afterlife?" Is there a reason it didn't end up on QSAS? Peter From raspet@homer.acs.bethel.edu Tue Jan 24 09:46 PST 1995 From: Peter James Rasmussen Subject: Re: Worst Church Song... Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM MWP mentioned that he likes My bloody Valentine Peter (ps. I'm currently preparing my rebuttle to all of you slighting the disillusionist.) PPS. How -bout a list of most slammed, yet highly defended church somes. (i.e. which is the most controversial) PPPS I don't chech spelling so don't hassle me. Peter (again) On Mon, 23 Jan 1995, Peas & Carrots wrote: > > Awwwww, C'mon! > > That's like taking a litter of puppies and trying to pick one that isn't > cute... > > Ok, Ok, I know... > > THE UNGUARDED MOMENT ?!?!! > > Well, actually I LIKE the song, but I seem to remember Kilbey saying in > an interview that HE personally "hates the fucking song" and that he > wishes that he wouldn't have written it or something like that. > > (If I can dig up the actual interview, I may try & post it... maybe one > of the very old Bucketfull of Brains interviews?? I can't remember off > the top of my forgetful head. > > How about this: > > Anyone happen to have any reliable info on our Boys' favorite bands? > > Don't you all just wonder what bands they sit around & listen to ?? > > p&c > From raspet@homer.acs.bethel.edu Fri Feb 10 16:17 PST 1995 From: Peter James Rasmussen Subject: Re: Echoes.... Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM me too. Peter me too. Peter On Fri, 10 Feb 1995, Graham Stone wrote: > [This message is converted from WPS-PLUS to ASCII] > > Not Church related I'm afraid, but does anyone else get all the messages from > the list twice ? it's as though there's an echo with a 1 day delay ! > > Graham > From raspet@homer.acs.bethel.edu Sat Feb 11 11:18 PST 1995 From: Peter James Rasmussen Question? (Idon't remeber if I've asked this, but I'm sure no one has answered) Regarding the song TRISTESSE from heyday, is that the name of a city? I'm wondering because Smashing Pumpkins has a song of the same title on their debut, Gish. They do pronounce the word differently. BTW, S.P.'s first album seems to have a lot of "Church" in it. Especially tracks like Suffer. Curious, Peter MPLS MN USA From raspet@homer.acs.bethel.edu Tue Feb 14 15:08 PST 1995 From: Peter James Rasmussen Subject: Couplets I usually try to avoid picking favorites in terms of albums or songs or even rhymes but this one has been stuck in my head for the last week. "and it gets so uncertain when a girl gets too near, it's never as I hoped or as bad as I feared." From "Into my hands" of of the _Remote Luxury_ CD. Fun lyrics as I fall in love with my best friend. The odd part is that the lyrics seem to fit as well as the opposite being true. It's also better than I hoped and worse than I feared. Still resonates for some reason. Thanks Steve. Peter From raspet@homer.acs.bethel.edu Thu Feb 23 15:35 PST 1995 From: Peter James Rasmussen Sender: Peter James Rasmussen Reply-To: Peter James Rasmussen Subject: T-Shirts and Angels Hey everyone, Question: What is this angel I've been reading so much about? (It's on the cover of their first album, right?) I have the US Arista version of _of skins and heart_ so I have never seen this angel. Is it anything like the angel in the video for "tear it all away"? If it is that tacky, I'd rather it not be on our t-shirt. Statement: I like the idea of the couplet though I think we should just have one. I really like the one suggested from "already yesterday" I think that would be great. (It also speaks of the impending doom of disappearing from the mainstream as the band sheds members and gets dropped from their label. (Though there is nothing I would like more than for them to be on a tiny label with all the freedom they want to just sit around record and release whatever they want. (Actually I wouldn't mind if they did away with the "church" label and allowed themselves to be a free floating entity that could choose musical coalitions as they pleased and released tons and tons of material.))) anyway... Suggestion: How about a quote from "myrrh" since it was the most popular song in the most recent poll? suggestions (and please don't chastize to harshly for miss-quotes") -"oh lord (capital "L"?), I trust your intentions but money strangles our love, struck me like a fool with my junk and my jewels, you (capital "Y"?) would have thought I'd had enough" (btw: This is easily my favorite lyric of anyone at any time. It's a painful statement for me to admit as a Christian struggling in this material world.) -"you seem to think I promised you the moon, you must be seeing stars." --"you got of light" (not sure what this would say about the list necessarily. I just think its one of the best rejection lyrics in the history of popular music. -"in the space between our houses, some bones have been discovered. but our procession lurches on, as if we have recovered." --"destination" (frightening statement about the isolation many of us feel in this day and age. I can't get over the possible implications of "some bones". Humanity is stated but somehow, the eternal seems to be explored through this symbol of mortality. (but then again, does this lyric have anything to do with this list?)) I guess I could go on and on about lines that would be either fun or ironic or insightful but i suppose each of us has a different preference. I definitely like the quote from "AY". I would like to avoid the chorus to "that single." (as much as I like the song). I think the cover to _P+A= a rockin' album_ would be a decent idea, yet a part of me says there is better idea lurking out there. (it's in one of your heads, folks. I know it, so spit it out, will ya?) Last thought. My plea is that we keep the shirt simple. - 1 picture - 1 couplet - black and white with a hint of one other color. (I'm for blue too. - "the" address - SKilbey's authentic autograph on each shirt (am I getting greedy?) thanks, Peter Mpls From raspet@homer.acs.bethel.edu Fri Feb 24 09:43 PST 1995 From: Peter James Rasmussen Subject: Re: T-Shirts thoughts Cc: "Nicole B. Hall" , jeff ylvisaker , seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM On Fri, 24 Feb 1995, Ai Endo wrote: > > > On Thu, 23 Feb 1995, Nicole B. Hall wrote: > > > Ya know, we can make shirts that say "Altho the singer is long dead, his > > voice goes on and on, on and on" so that our children and grandchildren > > can inherit them. [no, this is not a serious vote of potential shirt lyric > > > > > I love that lyric, and i do see it on a t-shirt, but only after steve > kilbey's dead. :/ -henny > > hey, How about the four members heads on the front (sk, pk, rp, mwp), distorted so they are in the shapes of paisleys swirling around each other. (haha, I win the prize for most grotesque t-shirt idea.) Peter From Peter_J._Bonk@mail.magic.ca Sat Dec 3 07:46 PST 1994 by mail.magic.ca (PostalUnion/SMTP 1.1.4) From: Peter_J._Bonk@mail.magic.ca Organization: Magic Subject: Re: Starfish used in "21 Jump Street" I Thought those two songs were used on an episode of Miami Vice. Something about a college professor sacrificing college coeds in a pagan ritual. Anyone else remember this? Peter Bonk From Peter_J._Bonk@mail.magic.ca Sun Jan 22 14:08 PST 1995 by mail.magic.ca (PostalUnion/SMTP 1.1.4) From: Peter_J._Bonk@mail.magic.ca Organization: Magic Subject: Re: Business Woman and Record Show Here's what I saw- Seance (french edition w/blue instead of US pink) UTMW 12" (musk was the b side) Feel CD 5 (5(?) remixes) Ripple CD single (no other tracks) Promo Photos from P=A. (It was great to see a decent picture of JD) Promo notes to albums. OK, here's the point where everyone petitions to kick me off the list... I didn't buy anything. (sorry, I'm a little low on cash) Musk was the temptation. If you can get back to that record show, I would pay you money to pick up the Feel CD 5. I too made the mistake of not picking it up once, because of lack of funds, and I have been kicking myself ever since. From Peter_J._Bonk@mail.magic.ca Sun Jan 22 14:08 PST 1995 by mail.magic.ca (PostalUnion/SMTP 1.1.4) From: Peter_J._Bonk@mail.magic.ca Organization: Magic Subject: Re: church songs Best song on that album is IT'S NO REASON. GAF, altthough being a decent album, is nowhere near my favorite, but has some excellent tunes: Terra Nova Cain, Grind, Transient, You're Still Beautiful, Disappointment, RAH...OK looks like i really DO like that album. Hmmmmmm. Mefisto I still don't understand why everyone is talking about their favourite songs from the mediocre GAF album, and no-one has mentioned Monday Morning. I didn'tlike the album because when I bought it, my CD player wouldn't track it. However I could get through the first five tracks, and loved Monday Morning. I have been giving Seance some repeated listenings in the last few days, because of all the good press it has been getting here ( I finally took P=A out of the cd player). However as I have just been listening to it I don't know all the songs titles (save Electric Lash), so I am dying to go and find out which one is TBT. I'll post y'all tomorrow on my thoughts about it. Peter Bonk!! From Peter_J._Bonk@mail.magic.ca Sun Feb 12 14:26 PST 1995 by mail.magic.ca (PostalUnion/SMTP 1.1.4) From: Peter_J._Bonk@mail.magic.ca Organization: Magic Subject: Re: my (southern) desert island choice Okay here goes my DID ( I finally have decided to let people know what I listen to, as I did not participate in the recent Favourite/Least Favourite Church songs). Sarah McLaughlin - Fumbling Toward Ecstasy Blue Rodeo - Five Days in July The Church - P=A " " Heyday Cocteau Twins - Heaven or Las Vegas World Party - Bang! The Waterboys - Pagan Place/ this is the sea / Fisherman's Blues The Icicle Works - The Icicle Works Ian McNabb - Truth and Beauty Pet Shop Boys - Very Relentless The last one might be an eyesore in this list, but we all need to dance sometime and who can beat Neil Tennant for ironic lyrics in disco tunes. I almost forgot my current favourite album Crowded House - Together Alone. there you go, Peter Bonk!! From Peter_J._Bonk@mail.magic.ca Sun Feb 12 23:02 PST 1995 by mail.magic.ca (PostalUnion/SMTP 1.1.4) From: Peter_J._Bonk@mail.magic.ca Organization: Magic Subject: Re: my (southern) desert island choice I am sending this again because I am getting an "undeliverable message". Sorry for any inconvience this may cause people Okay here goes my DID ( I finally have decided to let people know what I listen to, as I did not participate in the recent Favourite/Least Favourite Church songs). Sarah McLaughlin - Fumbling Toward Ecstasy Blue Rodeo - Five Days in July The Church - P=A " " Heyday Cocteau Twins - Heaven or Las Vegas World Party - Bang! The Waterboys - Pagan Place/ this is the sea / Fisherman's Blues The Icicle Works - The Icicle Works Ian McNabb - Truth and Beauty Pet Shop Boys - Very Relentless The last one might be an eyesore in this list, but we all need to dance sometime and who can beat Neil Tennant for ironic lyrics in disco tunes. I almost forgot my current favourite album Crowded House - Together Alone. there you go, Peter Bonk!! From U23500@UICVM.UIC.EDU Tue Dec 6 16:28 PST 1994 From: Raj Baman Subject: hindsight is there anything on hindsight, that i, loyal church aficianado that i am, need to have, meaning, not on anything i own...which is : all the domestic release (US) albums (meaning art form, not media. I own CDs)? in other words, is it worth shelling out 35 bux for the import at tower records? well...that's my question...feel free to answer it... mephisto ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thank you very much. Please drive through. From U23500@UICVM.UIC.EDU Wed Dec 7 14:02 PST 1994 From: Raj Baman Subject: hindsight Thanks, i now have neough votes to decide to spend the money on hindsight... might have to go without food for a while, but hey, my eternal soul NEEDS the music of the church, whereas my body will gladly suffer... (i would quote THE OFFSPRING in "Self Esteem" about suffering showing you really care, but i dont remember exactly how it goes...) Mephisto ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thank you very much. Please drive through. From U23500@UICVM.UIC.EDU Wed Jan 11 20:09 PST 1995 From: Raj Baman Subject: westwood one show that westwood one show that r.f. delano was mentioning...does anybody know it has a local outlet here in chicagoland? I know the Loop does some westwood one stuff, but i doubt they would be doing this... raj ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thank you very much. Please drive through. From U23500@UICVM.UIC.EDU Fri Jan 20 20:35 PST 1995 From: Raj Baman Subject: church songs Some one said that Dont Open the Door to Strangers was a duff track???? No offense, but have you LOST YOUR MIND? That was the first song i heard offa that album, and that song is still one of my fave church songs of all time.... RE: seance. Travel by Thought i can't remember right now. Best song on that album is IT'S NO REASON. GAF, altthough being a decent album, is nowhere near my favorite, but has some excellent tunes: Terra Nova Cain, Grind, Transient, You're Still Beautiful, Disappointment, RAH...OK looks like i really DO like that album. Hmmmmmm. Mefisto ------------------------------------------------------------------------- I don't mean to sound cold, cruel and vicious, but I am; so it comes so it comes out that way. --Bill Hicks. 1993 From U23500@UICVM.UIC.EDU Fri Jan 20 21:10 PST 1995 From: Raj Baman Subject: church songs continued OK, update to my last message. I went back and listened to TBT. I love this song. It's bitching. Psychedelic gone awry, it reminds me (for some reason, altho they do not sound the same at all) of Pink Floyd's early stuff-- "astronomy domine, set the controls, atom heart mother, etc." BTW...on the scant liner notes to SEANCE, it says thanks to PHILTHY for the Telecaster...would that be Philthy from Motorhead? (like there are a lot of "Philthy's" running around out there...If so, who used it, Marty or Peter? And do we know how the Church feels about Motorhead, cuz I know that I personally love them...(am a big heavy metal fan to begin with, tho...) later Mefisto ------------------------------------------------------------------------- I don't mean to sound cold, cruel and vicious, but I am; so it comes so it comes out that way. --Bill Hicks. 1993 From U23500@UICVM.UIC.EDU Mon Feb 6 10:53 PST 1995 From: Raj Baman Subject: friday night videos Hey when i flippin channels on friday at about 1.15am, steve and marty were on the american music video show (real bad, sucky, top40 crap (usually) FRIDAY NIGHT VIDEOS. It was not a video, it was a live in-studio performance While i watched and fumbled with my VCR, they only played UndertheMilkyWay most of which i got on tape. Nothing extremely special , except for seeing Skilbey and Wiper on TV at all...Does anybody know if they played a song before UTMW that i missed? It seems unlikely, cuz i was flipping fast but i just wanted to know. BTW, in a recent columbia house music club, they was a little "boxed area" for the church, like a "featured artist on this page is..." type of deal. However, they only listed 3 albums by the church (starfish, p=a, and SA). Once again, the initial reaction was one of shock for actually seeing the church in such a obviously mainstream-geared catalog (not that i'm saying mainstream is bad...) Mefisto ------------------------------------------------------------------------- I don't mean to sound cold, cruel and vicious, but I am; so it comes so it comes out that way. --Bill Hicks. 1993 From U23500@UICVM.UIC.EDU Fri Feb 10 20:40 PST 1995 From: Raj Baman Subject: island music Aw hell, now i want to share my slant with the rest o' the church fans... (hopefully this will be less than twenty or so..) Asia-Asia Black Sabbath-The Ozzy Osbourne Years Church-SA/SE Cowboy Junkies-Trinity Session Cure-Pornography Danzig-Danzig II:Lucifugee Bob Dylan-Good as I Been to You Fields of the Nephilim-Revelations Fish-Vigil in a Wilderness of Mirrors Peter Gabriel-Security Jethro Tull-20 years of J. Tull -25th Anniversary Box Set Marillion-Script for a Jesters Tear Metallica-Live Shit:Bing and Purge Queen-Innuendo Lou Reed-Between Thought and Expression (or his last 3:NY,S.f.Drella,M&L) Sisters of Mercy-So Dark All Over Europe (live 83/84/85) Richard Thompson-Watching the Dark;Small Town Romance (if i ever saw it) Voivod-Nothingface;The Outer Limits Roger Waters-Amused to Death Pink Floyd-Wish you Were Here Musical Score to THE CROW (Graeme Revell) (NOT the soundtrack) It's way too many, but off the top of my head (and my CD list)...that's waht i would take. Mefisto ------------------------------------------------------------------------- I don't mean to sound cold, cruel and vicious, but I am; so it comes so it comes out that way. --Bill Hicks. 1993 From rglass@lynx.dac.neu.edu Sat Feb 11 09:14 PST 1995 From: Raymond Glass Subject: DIDs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just putting in my 20 cents...and, BTW, the musical taste of this group is fairly interesting...... Ian McCulloch "Candleland" The Stunning "Once around the World" Squeeze "45's and Under" The Church "Starfish" Robyn Hitchcock "Queen Elvis" Neil Young "Harvest Moon" Steve Howe "Not Necessarily Acoustic" David Bowie.. "..Ziggy Stardust.." The Beatles "Help!", "Rubber Soul", "Revolver" Echo and the "Crocodiles", "Ocean Rain" Bunnymen Yes "Fragile" Acoustic "Back on the Case" Alchemy XTC "Black Sea", "English Settlement" Queen "A Night at the Opera" The Waterboys "Room to Roam" Led Zeppelin "Houses of the Holy" (Wow, no Americans; I never realized this before..) Nora Glass from Boston Mass. rglass@lynx.dac.neu.edu From rglass@lynx.dac.neu.edu Wed Feb 15 06:41 PST 1995 From: Raymond Glass Subject: Favourite line.... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was listening to "Starfish" yesterday and was thinking that one of my favourite lines on that album is from "North South East West": "the face of today just a scalpel away" Nora Glass from Boston Mass. rglass@lynx.dac.neu.edu From corcr@ruby.ils.unc.edu Fri Dec 9 14:00 PST 1994 From: Rhonda Corcoran Subject: Get a life Me, that is. I feel like I haven't had one for the past week as I've pretty much had to ignore e-mail and other such diversions from school. Thank god for the cd-roms attached to the computers here in the lab. First of all, I'm really surprised at the lack of votes for Remindlessness. Should I assume the fickle minded and hearted would have voted for it on another day if the survey had been repeated? Gloriana is a great song to be listening to coming down the final stretch of writing the conclusion to a paper. :) I can't believe I once told Morten this album was a lost cause on my ears. Thanks to Jason for conducting the poll. The results made me check out Heyday again. I was surprised at how many votes it got. I was also surprised at how well P=A did. Seems to me this album wasn't held in very high esteem last year here on the list. Tara says: Just a cute little anecdoet/snippet I read in a letter from a friend. She's a recent convert to the band. She heard a couple of their songs and demanded I tape everything I own by them for her. Anyway, the following refers to the cover of Slow Crack. "My mom was highly interested in the cover of the "Slow Crack" album, by the way. She said, 'That's a naked man!' She's quick, isn't she?! And I said yes-I believe it is supposed to be Steve Kilbey himself. Life is good!" :) Small amusements for small minds I guess. Add me to the list of interest in shirts for the list. I'm on another music list which has already done this. I don't have any creative skills to add to the project though, but I get giddy with money meaning I'll buy at least one shirt. Howzabout honorary shirts made up for Steve and Marty ('cept then they'd know where to find us in Net World which I don't think's a good idea). Before I babble myself into a froth, I'll sign off..... . . .Rhonda From corcr@ruby.ils.unc.edu Fri Dec 16 11:19 PST 1994 From: Rhonda Corcoran Cc: Keith K Morioka , BROWNKB@ml.wpafb.af.mil, seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Subject: Re: The Church > C'MON YOU > BIG-TIME-COLLECTORS-WHO-HAVE-BEEN-INTO-THE-CHURCH-SINCE-THE-DAY-THEY-PUT- > OUT-THEIR-FIRST-SINGLE! > > I KNOW YOU'RE OUT THERE! Ok, I'll bite, although I haven't been into them from day 1. My vinyl copy of In Reflection found in a rinky-dink little bookstore/record store (complete with booklet) ranks #1. Next comes the copy of Sing Songs found at a flea market. Keep looking folks. The stuff is out there! Rhonda :) From corcr@ruby.ils.unc.edu Wed Jan 11 10:35 PST 1995 From: Rhonda Corcoran Cc: Jason Withrow , seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Subject: Re: Mae Moore I picked up G. McClennan's (sp?) Fireboy and noticed in the liner notes that both Mae Moore and Karin provide backing vocals. Rhonda From corcr@ruby.ils.unc.edu Sun Jan 15 15:21 PST 1995 From: Rhonda Corcoran Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Subject: Fireboy/Jack Frost On Fri, 13 Jan 1995, Richard W. Powell x71123/ESD/8-23-KP wrote: > Rhonda wrote: > > I picked up G. McClennan's (sp?) Fireboy and noticed in the > > liner notes that both Mae Moore and Karin provide backing vocals. > > What do you think of it? Is it similar to the Jack Frost release? I'd say it's similar in that it makes for just as great listening. It obviously lacks the Kilbster's signature sound (anyone care to define that? I can't put it into words) but is full of simply crafted pop tunes, nice melodies/harmonies etc. I'm not much of a reviewer, suffice it to say I've given the whole cd at least one listen each day since I've had it. :) BTW, I have a hard time picking out Karin's voice on the tracks she sings on. Her voice blends in really close with Grant's so that she is hardly distinguished. Anyone else notice this? Rhonda From corcr@ruby.ils.unc.edu Fri Jan 20 10:11 PST 1995 From: Rhonda Corcoran Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Subject: Re: Request Hi Aaron! Welcome to the list. I'm just down the road in Chapel Hill. > Any touring information? I've only had the good fortune to see > the guys once, and they were incredible. Great jams. Consequently, > any info would be greatly appreciated! Maybe some of the lucky folks who are going to see them in CA can ask if they'll be hitting the East coast. I know for a fact we have a couple laundramats that could function as a venue. ;) Rhonda From corcr@ruby.ils.unc.edu Wed Feb 15 06:19 PST 1995 From: Rhonda Corcoran Subject: DIM It's been fun reading everyone's list of music. I'll sneak my list of DIM (desert island "music" because it isn't all on disc...yet), before this thread finally dies: Marty In Reflection, Spirit Level Steve Remindlessness (on cassette to get the extra songs) Nomads Showdown (I think this is the name of the compil.) Long Ryders Two Fisted Tales F.Zappa Burnt Weeny Sandwich Duran Duran Rio Hunters/Collectors Human Frailty Church Of Skins and Heart Young Fresh Fellows Totally Lost Icicle Works Blind }These are all dubbed onto one Game Theory 2 Steps From... }tape, so I'll exercise my right Not Drowning, Waving Claim }to count them as one. :P Once I got to the island I'd be depressed at having left behind my Waterboys and World Party, and swim back to get them. Rhonda From corcr@ruby.ils.unc.edu Wed Feb 22 10:04 PST 1995 From: Rhonda Corcoran Cc: SEANCE Subject: Re: Tshirts.. > I like the collage idea (in fact, I suggested it didnt I??) > > But I think the Statue cover is rather gaudy and tacky.... > I'll cast my lot in with this sentiment. It's not my number one choice of images. I like the P=A cover or something from SA/SE. Rhonda From corcr@ruby.ils.unc.edu Fri Feb 24 10:57 PST 1995 From: Rhonda Corcoran Subject: Church and related interviews..... I gleaned the two following articles off of Nexis/Lexis (or is that Lexis/Nexis?). The Church article just has the excerpts of the actual phone conversation (which bares an incredible resemblance to the interview Paul Webb posted to the list recently, but some of the questions here are different). The Mae Moore interview is copied in it's entirety, although I have to explain that Nexis/Lexis seems to do a lot of their own excerpting as I came across a lot of broken phrases and ......'s. Without further ado and babbling: From the PHOENIX GAZETTE, January 14, 1994: Canadian Rock Star Finds Roots Down Under- "I was a really shy teenager and all through my 20's, painfully shy," says singer Mae Moore, who.....co-wrote that was used on the soundtrack of the Tom Cruise action flick "Top Gun." Moore parlayed that brief pop music success into a recording contract in Canada. Her debut, 1990's "Oceanview Motel," sold about 30,000 copies and won her a Vancouver Music Award. But her label, Sony Music, was interested in Moore becoming a commercially successful artist. They encouraged her to co-write with a long list of songwriters,... ".....some really formula rock writers," Moore says. "I was not interested in that." She fended off all suggestions until the Church's Steven Kilbey was mentioned. He ended up producing "Bohemia," co-writing three of the album's songs. "He was one of their last choices," Moore says."...interested me the most. I really like him for his sense of melody and his lyrics. He's very familiar around acoustic instruments and I'm also a fan of the Church. Moore says the eye-opening experience of flying to Sydney, Australia, to co-write with Kilbey was the inspiration for "Bohemia." "It's quite cosmopolitan and there's a really vibrant music scene there. Every other person I bumped into was a musician and there's bars on every corner and the liquor laws are really lax. Basically, it's a very lively center. And Steven Kilbey's entourage and environment was a little dark and seedy. There were really lots of good bits to glean from that, without saying anything else." From the Los Angeles Times, January 26, 1995 The Church, Dreaming in Tongues. By: Bill Locey Kilbey talked about what's what during an expensive phone conversation from his Stockholm home. What's up with the acoustic tour? K: You know, there's just two of us....it'll just be hired guns. What's up in Sweden; does Stockholm rock? K: I've got kids here, that's why I've been drifting between here and Australia. There's an underground scene here, but not a lot of places to play. Obviously, when someone like Joe Cocker comes to town, there's always somewhere for him to play. Why are there so many good bands in Australia? K: I don't know--everywhere has at least a couple of good bands, I suppose. Originally, we got an English label deal, went to tour England, then toured the continent. It really put us in debt. We had to go back to Australia and work for two years just to pay it back. Has the Church changed since 1981? K: Not really, we've just gotten better at it--better at writing and better at....I was 16, I knew I wanted to play. My first band was one of those knockabout bands. Do you remember the first Church gig? K: Sure. It was in Sydney, Australia, and I remember we played this song "Is This Where You Live" that ended up being on our first album, and I thought, 'This is it. We're it now.' I could just feel it. We were going places where previous bands I'd been in had never been. What was a strange Church gig? K: One time we played at a huge ice hockey rink in New Hampshire and there were only six people there. What do you think the Church music sounds like? K: God, I don't know. It's difficult to describe music for others. Right now, all I know is we're going to California, after that, I don't know. Then we'll do another album, but we haven't started it yet. From corcr@ruby.ils.unc.edu Sun Feb 26 09:42 PST 1995 From: Rhonda Corcoran Subject: more lyrics/t-shirt ideas Thanks to James for the list of couplets. Here's a few more I dredged up which might be appropriate: Pharoah Hi to all the people that are selling me Here's one straight from the factory They've sewn my eyes up in their sockets I dip my hand into their pockets. Pharoah LAte at night when I'm lying in bed I've got to say a prayer for my daily bread and early in the morning when I'm still asleep You sit upon your throne making grown men weep with boredom Terra Nova Cain We used to float around her weightless bedroom that drove me right up the wall Chrome Injury Don't forget me, don't regret me Don't replace and don't upset me But don't forget to come and get me someday Fighter Pilot Last night I overheard your prayers It's emptiness that scares or disappearing in thin air to a lost place down the road She Never Said I'm not excat but I'm not insane I clutched at someone in the dark again It's so hard to remember her name She never said She Never Said I parked my car by some memories and told my story to the laughing trees Destination It's not a religion it's just a technique it's just a way of making you speak Distance and speed have left us too weak and destination looks kind of bleak Antenna You're just an antenna, you're just a gauge you disturb my slumber and round up the numbers and put them inside your velvety cage Hotel Womb I dream I'm safe in my hotel womb Soft and soul made, it's a wonderful room From capobian@aar.alcatel-alsthom.fr Wed Jan 25 01:43 PST 1995 From: Riccardo.Capobianchi@aar.alcatel-alsthom.fr (Riccardo Capobianchi) Subject: An introduction and two questions Hello everybody, I'm new to the list, but not to the Church ! I found out about them back in 83-84, and my first exposure was through the purchase of The Blurred Crusade LP. An incredible album! Since then I was really hooked, and I believe that album remains my fave one, alongside with Seance maybe. What I like more in their music is their dreamy psychedelic moods ... Well, as a newcomer, guess it's time for a couple of questions :-) First of all, I was wondering if it's worth getting the Hindsight double CD (I already own all the others, Smoke included). Are there many rarities and good tracks on it ? Second, how is SK's Remindlessness ? Can someone describe it in comparison with Church albums and the other three SK albums (which I own) ? Thanks Riccardo From church@crl.com Tue Dec 6 11:58 PST 1994 From: Richard Foster Subject: Somewhere Else Hello group, I have a question about obtaining the Somewhere Else CD. Here is a brief background: Once I got SA, I sent in the $2 for the SE CD, which Arista sent me. For reasons I won't get into, I no longer have SE. I sent Arista another $2 check with a note asking to send me a copy, which they have not done. I called Arista (the 800 # that Morten gave us is now a Cranes hotline BTW) and everyone there had their heads up their *** and did not know about any companion CD. Does anyone either have a copy they would like to sell me or know how I can get one cheaply? I have seen it a few times at used CD stores for $10, which I will pay if I have to, but obviously would rather not. Thanks, Rick email: church@crl.com From church@crl.com Thu Dec 8 14:29 PST 1994 From: Richard Foster Cc: Church mailing-list Subject: Re: Shirts / other things Hola! I would agree with shirt idea, but like most people would be too lazy to do anything more than send a check [in advance,of course :-)] to whoever does have the initiative to follow thru (and you wouldn't even have to hear my opinions regarding the design, which I'm sure is good for you :-) About SK and MWP coming to America: I saw them in St.Louis in June, so unless they do something strange (like actually put together a cohesive tour) I would bet they won't be back for a while. So, Eve, I believe your rabidness will persist. Solo's:Kilbey- The Slow Crack 1)A Favourite Pack of Lies Marty: Rhyme 1)You Wisper 2)Luscious Ghost 3)Time is Imaginary Sorry Peter, I can form no opinion of your material; never heard any of it. From church@crl.com Sat Dec 10 02:26 PST 1994 From: Richard Foster Cc: Church Subject: Re: Get a life On Sat, 10 Dec 1994, matthew green wrote: > > > > said yes-I believe it is supposed to be Steve Kilbey himself. Life is > > good!" :) Small amusements for small minds I guess. > > Any guesses as to who the other person on the Slow Crack cover is ? > > i think they're both steve. i think the right side is actually > in a mirror...of course, this is just *my* interpretation.. > > .mrg. > Right you are, but only part of the right side is a reflection. It switches back to nature on the horizontal line on the "k" in crack. Check out the eye in the far right corner peering direcectly at the "k" in crack. would you suppose that Steve actually believes that a Higher Power exists.( I know Marty doesn't) Also notice how the two scenes are joined (the sax player at the bottom to me ) "the same cold moon shines down on every man" It's 4:30 am and I obviously am not all together coherent _---Rick_--- From @pucc.PRINCETON.EDU:SG938Q7H@DUVM.OCS.DREXEL.EDU Tue Feb 28 10:11 PST 1995 From: SG938Q7H%DUVM.BITNET@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU Subject: shirt and lyric Yes, yes, yes..I want a shirt! I like "close to you/hear all you say/even though you're continents away." Also in favor of: "beyond that void there's a place" OR "not a religion, it's just a technique" But PLEASE, nothing from Terra Nova Cain!! I don't think the word "alien" fits the group and really represents the images that the Chruch creates through their music... Sue From Salonen@aol.com Thu Dec 1 15:12 PST 1994 From: Salonen@aol.com Subject: The Biggest Fan of All New member Matt writes: >>I'm certain that there are a few of the members here that are >>thinking, "He probably doesn't have anything earlier than Starfish. >>I'm a bigger fan than him." To which I say, "You're right. You >>win. I conceed that you are a bigger fan than I."<< I always thought that was an amusing concept - who is the biggest fan of a band, etc. Actually, I think once upon a time I thought I was the ONLY fan of the Church. It's OK Matt, I think they'll allow you to stay on the list. But you do know, at live Church shows they check your discography knowledge at the door. ; ) I may not own every EP, single and blurb that Steve and Marty have ever put on tape, but I can probably speak for many of us when I say that there's no way anyone could love their music more than me. Ha! Denise =) From Salonen@aol.com Fri Dec 2 10:20 PST 1994 From: Salonen@aol.com Subject: 2Places, etc. Perhaps we should take the "Biggest Fan of All" poll after Christmas I love the video for "Two Places at Once" - and gee, I've just seen it SO many times on MTV, etc. Although I thought the boys looked a bit well, tired in it. Denise From Salonen@aol.com Fri Dec 9 01:37 PST 1994 From: Salonen@aol.com Subject: Stuff Someone(??) wrote: >>Can we not do the biggest fan thing? It's pre-pubescent...<<< Correct me if I'm wrong, but I do believe that was supposed to be a JOKE... Anybody in the States hear of any more Church dates besides L.A.? Not to rub it in, but this rabid fan just received her tickets to the show in the mail today. ; ) Denise =) From Salonen@aol.com Fri Jan 13 11:42 PST 1995 From: Salonen@aol.com Subject: Lyrics About Steve and Co. not printing the lyrics... The downside for me with this issue has always been I end up singing entirely different lyrics to myself for years on end until I discover what the actual lyrics are. The upside is that, as someone else mentioned, oftentimes the lyrics gradually reveal themselves and a song I've listened to a hundred times for years suddenly becomes totally clear to me one day. Besides, I think in a way we all have our own personal relationships with the songs...I mean, we all have our own memories and experiences attached to the music and the lyrics and therefore we are all probably more likely (and more free) to interpret the songs in our own manner. So I guess I'm glad the lyrics AREN'T always printed, even though I do wish Steve would not mumble QUITE so much. ; ) Denise From Salonen@aol.com Tue Feb 7 15:13 PST 1995 From: Salonen@aol.com Subject: my little problem Bill Smith writes: >> Does anyone know what Steve Kilbey's little problem is in the song "My Little Problem"??? Hmmm. This has been the subject of some debate. In my opinion (and some others as well), if you listen closely to the lyrics, it sounds like the little problem could either be depression or addiction or possibly both, since the two often go hand in hand. That is of course, only my opinion and I don't profess to know anything for certain about Mr. Kilbey. When I saw Steve and Marty last June in L.A. I believe he mentioned the words "Betty Ford" in relation to the song....so....speculate what you will. Denise From Salonen@aol.com Sat Feb 11 10:40 PST 1995 From: Salonen@aol.com Subject: Desert Island Discs, Lines, Etc. OK here goes: Everything by the Church Everything by Steve Kilbey Everything by Marty (I'm sorry I'd rather drown that not have it all!) The Blade Runner Soundtrack Jules Shear - The Third Party Pearl Jam - Ten, Vs., Vitology Aimee Mann - Whatever Beethoven - The Ninth Symphony (Chorale) Mozart - Jupiter and Haffner Symphonies Richard Strauss - Also Sprach Zarathustra Patsy Cline - Greatest Hits Carreras, Domingo, Pavarotti - In Concert at the Terme di Caracalla Harold Budd - The White Arcades OK stop me now or I'll go on forever. Obviously we ARE going to be stranded on Gilligan's Island, huh? ; ) And it's so HARD to pick a favorite couplet or line from the Church...but here's ONE: "Oh oh what a feeling baby knowledge and brutality who's soul you stealing baby lost your immortality another empty conquest Venus set me free...set me free." -Roman (at least that's what I THINK he says!) ; ) Denise From Salonen@aol.com Sun Feb 12 23:53 PST 1995 From: Salonen@aol.com Subject: Sharon Stone????? Dave Rake writes: >>I was just listening to track #2 on Somewhere Else, "The Time Being", which includes the lines "...down comes a rain/hot clear rain/washing away our sins/washing away the statues of ????" I'd swear Steve was saying "Sharon Stone"?! I haven't been able to access the lyrics page, so could someone please help me with this one? Thanks a bunch.<< Finally! Someone else hears this too! I mentioned this a while back on the AOL Church list but I don't think anyone responded. I thought maybe I was hearing things. Then again, Dave and I could be hearing things together. Are we crazy or is Steve making some tongue-in-cheek reference here to Ms. Stone/pop culture icons? Lyrics for this song anyone????? Denise From Salonen@aol.com Thu Feb 23 15:45 PST 1995 From: Salonen@aol.com Subject: Church Word of the Day > On February 23 1995 William Smith writes: >The Church word of the day: Mandrake >It was formerly thought to have magical powers...< Yes, this is true. I once did a paper on the alchemical allegory of Hieronymus Bosch's 'St. Anthony Triptych'. In the lower left section of the panel a mandrake plant is depicted. At the time, a terrible plague known as ignis sacer (aka: St. Anthony's fire) was quite rampant and mandrake was thought to possess magical, curative powers. The juice from the plant was often used as an anaesthetic by Antonite physicians as an aid to amputations. Many also believed mandrake could cure insanity and drive away demons as well. Denise (full of even more useless trivia as usual) = ) From Salonen@aol.com Sun Feb 26 16:28 PST 1995 From: Salonen@aol.com Subject: THE Couplet = ) Brian Smith writes: >It Doesn't Change: >Close to you, hear all you say/Even though you're continents away >This is a DEFINITE reference to e-mail! What a prophet that man is! >Let's use it. OK, well I was gonna stay out of this whole T-shirt business because I like so many Church lyrics I thought I'd never be able to narrow it down, but I have to agree with Brian on this one! It is perfect! If not the most aesthetically pleasing couplet, it certainly alludes to the lovely Seance e-mail thing we've got going here. = ) Denise From sa_smith@postoffice.utas.edu.au Fri Dec 16 20:09 PST 1994 From: Scot Smith Cc: seance Subject: Re: russian autumn heart Well about the P=A tour, I am not sure if that was what it was called, but i did see the church live soon after the release of the album. The concert was in all places Hobart Tasmania, australia. So i know they must have done some tour for the album. Thats my news...... From sa_smith@postoffice.utas.edu.au Thu Dec 22 08:13 PST 1994 From: Scot Smith Subject: Unsubscribe unsubscribe From Guerilla@cris.com Fri Mar 3 05:51 PST 1995 From: Scott Mikusko Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Subject: Re: Secret Corners On Fri, 3 Mar 1995 pe%daisy.flow.kth.se.d@Sun.COM.d wrote: > > Thanks to all who contibuted with Guitar Tabs ! > > Is there anyone of that have Secret Corners > figured out ? > > Per. > > ACK!! I can play it, but I have don't the patience to TAB it. Play with this: C B/C Fmaj7 Am G F It's all arpeggiated and keep that pinky on the G note on the high E. (God, you can yell I hacked my way into guitar playing...) This is one of my fave tunes to play on the 12-stg acoustic. -Scott From 100130.2522@compuserve.com Sat Feb 25 05:36 PST 1995 From: Scott Palmer <100130.2522@compuserve.com> Subject: Letters Please send From 100130.2522@compuserve.com Sat Feb 25 05:37 PST 1995 From: Scott Palmer <100130.2522@compuserve.com> Subject: Articles Please send From reichert@crayola.cse.psu.edu Tue Nov 29 11:12 PST 1994 Subject: Sign me up! From: Scott W Reichert You don't know how happy I am to have found this. I have tried (and failed) many times to write letters to whatever address I could find. I first heard of the Church when I saw the video for Under the Milky Way. After I heard Reptile, I had to buy the album. I absolutely loved it. Browsing through the record store, I noticed that they had a bunch of other albums out as well. I tried them. I liked them. Right now I have all of their releases I could get my hands on, including all of their solo works I could find in this country, and Jack Frost and Hex. The one thing that makes me sad, however, is that I have never been able to see them in concert. I'm sure I'll get tour information from this list, and am very anxiously awaiting. Well, I gotta go. Thank you. Scott Reichert reichert@crayola.cse.psu.edu From reichert@crayola.cse.psu.edu Fri Dec 2 12:25 PST 1994 Subject: Re: Cast your vote!! From: Scott W Reichert Man, is that a tough question! Well, here's my $0.02. Fave album: SA Tough choice. Although ALL of the albums have incredible tunes, I think this one, IMHO, has the most cool songs, and the least throwaways (e.g. Maybe These Boys). I only wish that my copy didn't have a big ol' scratch in Business Woman (grrrrrr!). BTW, does anyone know where I can grab a copy of SE? Please help me, someone! Fave 3 songs: AUTHORITY. An excellent piece, I think. Ya gotta love that guitar layering that the Church does only too well. The chorus is cool. Also, I never thought that I'd hear a tasteful use of a "wakka-chikka", but Marty just works it in so well. RIPPLE. Tough decision between this and Feel. Ripple is just too cool. The delay, the climactic chorus, the guitars, it's another Church masterpiece. It's more definitive Church than Feel (even though I just love to crank that one up, too). NO EXPLANATION. This and Into My Hands I really like (even though Steve may not, so much). They're both very pretty, peaceful, textured songs with good melodies and riffs. Well, that's it. Chalk up another entry. Laters. -Scott- reichert@crayola.cse.psu.edu From reichert@crayola.cse.psu.edu Mon Dec 5 10:07 PST 1994 From: Scott W Reichert From chaph.usc.edu!MAILER-DAEMON Fri Dec 2 23:08:16 1994 remote from blue by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with internal From: Mail Delivery Subsystem Subject: Returned mail: unknown mailer error 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: reichert This is a MIME-encapsulated message --MAA12200.786401666/chaph.usc.edu The original message was received at Fri, 2 Dec 1994 12:54:02 -0800 from Sun.COM [192.9.9.1] ----- The following addresses had delivery problems ----- "| /usr/usc/bin/filter -o /home/scf-02/engen/.elm/filter_ERRORS" (unrecoverable error) (expanded from: ) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 554 "| /usr/usc/bin/filter -o /home/scf-02/engen/.elm/filter_ERRORS"... unknown mailer error 1 ----- Original message follows ----- --MAA12200.786401666/chaph.usc.edu by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with SMTP Subject: Re: Cast your vote!! From: Scott W Reichert Man, is that a tough question! Well, here's my $0.02. Fave album: SA Tough choice. Although ALL of the albums have incredible tunes, I think this one, IMHO, has the most cool songs, and the least throwaways (e.g. Maybe These Boys). I only wish that my copy didn't have a big ol' scratch in Business Woman (grrrrrr!). BTW, does anyone know where I can grab a copy of SE? Please help me, someone! Fave 3 songs: AUTHORITY. An excellent piece, I think. Ya gotta love that guitar layering that the Church does only too well. The chorus is cool. Also, I never thought that I'd hear a tasteful use of a "wakka-chikka", but Marty just works it in so well. RIPPLE. Tough decision between this and Feel. Ripple is just too cool. The delay, the climactic chorus, the guitars, it's another Church masterpiece. It's more definitive Church than Feel (even though I just love to crank that one up, too). NO EXPLANATION. This and Into My Hands I really like (even though Steve may not, so much). They're both very pretty, peaceful, textured songs with good melodies and riffs. Well, that's it. Chalk up another entry. Laters. -Scott- reichert@crayola.cse.psu.edu --MAA12200.786401666/chaph.usc.edu-- From reichert@crayola.cse.psu.edu Mon Dec 5 11:27 PST 1994 Subject: My vote. From: Scott W Reichert Sorry if this is a repeat, but I had some technial difficulties and don't know exactly what happened to my last posting (hopefully this one will work). Here we (er, I) go again.. Fave Album: SA: This was a VERY hard choice, but it's the one I'm sticking with. It has SO many cool songs, and no let-downs. It's a very good mix, and their experiments with new sounds were all successes. Fave 3 songs: AUTHORITY: Gotta love that guitar-layering the Church does only too well. Cool lyrics, cool chorus, cool music. Also, I never thought that I'd ever hear a tasteful use of a "wakka-chikka". Only Marty. It's just a kick-ass song. I only wish that my copy didn't have a big ol' scratch through Business Woman (grrrrrrrrr!!). Also, does anyone know where I can get my hands on SE? Or maybe the SA/SE package? Help me pleeeeeeease!?! RIPPLE: (In close running with Feel). This song is just too cool. The layering and the build-up to the chorus just makes it. Also, the delays and the minor chords give that eerie-but-inviting kinda feel. Feel is just a fun, pretty song. I think Ripple is more dfinitive of the Church, though. NO EXPLANATION: (In close running with Into My Hands). Steve may not like this one that much, but I do. It's a very textured, pretty song. There are some very pleasant melodies. The song just flows. (Again, I would say that NE is more definitive of the Church's style than IMH). Well, that's my $0.02. Laters. -Scott- reichert@crayola.cse.psu.edu From reichert@crayola.cse.psu.edu Tue Dec 6 13:35 PST 1994 Subject: Hello? Is this thing on? From: Scott W Reichert Sorry to raise anyone's hopes, but this is just a test. My last THREE tries at sending mail to the list have returned undeliverable. Hopefully, this one will work. BTW, yes, I'm bitter. And yet, somehow, life goes on. Laters. -Scott- reichert@crayola.cse.psu.edu From reichert@crayola.cse.psu.edu Wed Dec 7 12:13 PST 1994 Subject: Thanx n' stuff. From: Scott W Reichert First of all, I'd like to thank everyone who helped me bungle my way through (pardon the reference) my little problem. I'd also like to thank the academy (oops... wrong speech). One thing that I'd REALLLLLLLLLLY like to do, is to see the Church, or any part of the Church, live. I have never been able to do this, or have never been able to get any information. Once they played at the Chestnut Caberet in Philly, but I wasn't 21 at the time and couldn't go. I couple of months ago, someone I know in DC informed me that they played two blocks from where he works. Aaaaaarrrrrgggghhhh. (Can you sense my frustration?) So if ANYone has ANY tour info, I would be very happy to hear it. Also, could anyone give me any pointers on how to get hard-to-find stuff? (I have Hindsight and Spot's). I would be very happy to learn of that, too. Thanx in advance. BTW, I'll send in my votes for solo stuff after I go home and look at all the stuff I have and think about it. Laters. -Scott- reichert@crayola.cse.psu.edu From reichert@crayola.cse.psu.edu Thu Dec 8 11:10 PST 1994 Subject: Re: Thanx n' stuff. From: Scott W Reichert Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM (Church Mailing List) > If you're interested in locating hard to find Church music, check > out Goldmine magazine. Some goodies can be found there on occasion. > Or you could haunt the local used music stores faithfully in hopes of > something showing up. It's worked for me. If you're just looking for > duplicated music of some of their rarer stuff, e-mail me. I'm making > tapes for friends this year, and my Christmas spirit could even extend > to a Church fan in need. :) > > Rhonda > I haven't had much luck looking in used music stores, unfortunately. I'll check out Goldmine, but, in the meantime, I would REALLY appreciate any Christmas spirit you could extend. -a Church fan in need, Scott From reichert@crayola.cse.psu.edu Thu Dec 8 17:37 PST 1994 Subject: Re: Thanx n' stuff. From: Scott W Reichert Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM (Church Mailing List) > > Let me know what you're looking for, and I'll see what I can do... > > -morten (copying Rhonda just 'cause I haven't sent her mail today :) > > Wow, you all are so wonderful! (sniff) I really didn't expect this kind of response. What I'm looking for is solo stuff (SK: anything and everything besides SC,Unearthed,Earthed -- MWP: anything and everything besides Art Attack, Rhyme, and SL). I have Hindsight and Quickie, but not much else besides the LP's (I don't even have Sing Songs!). If anyone can help me, or others in the same position (i've noticed other postings), please let me know what you have/what you can get, and how much you want for it. Again, Thank you. -Scott- From reichert@crayola.cse.psu.edu Sun Dec 11 15:30 PST 1994 Subject: Re: Somewhere Else From: Scott W Reichert Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM (Church Mailing List) > > > Oh, one more thing. > > Somebody was asking about aquiring Somewhere Else. > > I called the local record store today, and they have 1 copy left of the > limited edition package of Sometime, Anywhere which includes the bonus > disc. > > If this person is still interested (or if not, ifn anyone else needs a > copy), they are selling it for $17.99. I can pick it up for them and send > it their way. > > Please let me know ASAP. I have it on hold. > > Again, > Eve > Are you talking about me? I know I mentioned that I needed one. If it is me, don't worry. I found a copy of the double at a local music shoppe. Thanx anyway. -Scott- From reichert@crayola.cse.psu.edu Thu Dec 15 11:02 PST 1994 Subject: Re: Antipodean Double Header From: Scott W Reichert Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM (Church Mailing List) I have NO live stuff from the gents. Sign me up, man, and clue me on the details. This would be a good thing. -Scott- From reichert@crayola.cse.psu.edu Sat Dec 17 10:19 PST 1994 Subject: Re: Antipodean Double Header From: Scott W Reichert Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM (Church Mailing List) > > > Scott, > > I just saw your message. You say you have no live stuff on the gents. You > mean the Church? > > I also have "Alive on the Milky Way" a concert in Chicago in 1990, and > There is another list member I could refer you to regarding a concert in > Hoboken, NJ. > > I'd be willing to tape if for you for just sending me a tape of some good > music. Not necessarily Church. > > Eve > Cool, cool deal. A definite yes! What's yer e-mail? I like it here, can I stay? -Scott- reichert@crayola.cse.psu.edu From reichert@crayola.cse.psu.edu Sat Dec 17 10:30 PST 1994 Subject: Re: Antipodean Double Header From: Scott W Reichert Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM (Church Mailing List) > > > > Scott, > > What other stuff do you like ???? We could trade tapes because the cost > will be minimal ( if it was just you it would be fine, but looks like Ive got > a lot of posting to do now, so I dont think I can do any freebies ... > > > Send me your address and a list of any stuff you think I might like (???) > > RSVP > > > Neil > Neil, I won't bore all of the faithful readers out there with a lot of banter, so here's my e-mail: reichert@crayola.cse.psu.edu Happy holidays to all. -Scott- From reichert@crayola.cse.psu.edu Mon Jan 23 14:42 PST 1995 Subject: re: worst song From: Scott W Reichert Okay, ya got me, too. Here's my thoughts: Worst song: So far, the only ones I, personally, agree with are "Maybe These Boys" and "Forgotten Reign." Yes, I do like Metropolis (it's catchy and has energy), Business Woman (corny lyrics, but a good tune -- I like the way the vocals sound, reeeeaall smooooth), just about everything off of GAF (thinking real hard , I can't think of any songs I dislike on there), and, um, am I forgetting anything? Pete: I can't say that I really dislike his stuff (with an exception here and there), but I don't like his works nearly as much as Steve's, Marty's, and the Church's in general. Lyrics: Okay, I know I'm a topic or two late, but I don't post that often. I like the idea of publishing lyrics. Stevie-boy writes some really cool lyrics, IMHO, and I think that it's rather hard to appreciate good lyrics if you don't know what they are. If you're going to write a song with intentionally unintelligable lyrics, why not fill a song with "la's"? I agree that it's really neat to finally figure out a lyric to a Church song, but that goes hand-in-hand with the frustration of not knowing what many of the lyrics are. I think that hiding lyrics is somewhat contradictory to the purpose of lyrics. I also agree that any one song may have many different interpretations. However, it is the writer's IDEAS, not his WORDS that have this freedom, that should be interpreted. Oh, I know that I asked before, but I lost the addresses of those who were so very kind to write to me before . I have all the released LP's, Hindsight, and Spot. I'm looking very hard for other Church stuff, especially live recordings (audio and/or visual). I also have but Slow Crack, Un- and Earthed, (no Narcossis,) Spirit Level, Rhyme, and Art Attack. I will pay for other aalbums/rare cuts/acoustic bits/live recordings. Please, oh please, help me!?! That's my opinion/plea for help. Fire away. (-: -Scott (a.k.a. Fenton)- From reichert@crayola.cse.psu.edu Mon Jan 30 21:45 PST 1995 Subject: Re: Sacramento Show = Great! From: Scott W Reichert Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM (Church Mailing List) Aaaaaaaaarrrrgghhh! Oh, the pain! The jealousy! Every time I hear an account of a Church show, I have to grope around longer to find my jaw. Curse this East Coast! Grrrrrrrrrrrrr! Well, that was therapudic (sp?). I am still INSANELY jealous, however, of anyone and everyone who has seen them live even one time. Which leads me to further my quest: In Search Of... live Church recordings. I will pay well and dearly (postage, handling, extranneous costs, personal bother, etc). I would REEEEEEEEAAAALLLLLLLYYYYYY appreciate it. (: (: (: In the meantime, I guess I'll have to be satisfied with playing along with their CD's and trying to figure out more songs. Which leads me to another point. Every ftp site I've seen so far has had, at most, two Church songs transcribed. Is there another site I haven't heard of? If not, are there other guitar-players out there who would like to trade notes? I love playing Church songs, but I just can't figure all of them out. Thank you for wading through all of this. (I feel like I'm in a supoort group: "Hi, my name is Scott. I'm a Churchoholic" chorus of voices: "Hi, Scott." (-; ) Any and all help/words of wisdom will be greatly liked by me. Bye now. -Scott (a.k.a. Fenton)- From reichert@crayola.cse.psu.edu Tue Jan 31 09:10 PST 1995 Subject: Re: Sheet Music From: Scott W Reichert Wow, I must say, I'm glad to see such a response. It seems that there may minor problems in doing this. Given the LARGE amount of Church songs (solo incl.) and the widely varied taste of the audience members in Church songs, I foresee many a byte of transcriptions. Ideas? This seems to be something many are interested in. I'll post the songs I know tomorrow, I don't think I'd be able to think of all of them now. Laters. -Scott (a.k.a. Fenton)- From reichert@crayola.cse.psu.edu Wed Feb 1 13:58 PST 1995 Subject: Re: Sheet Music From: Scott W Reichert Well, I said I'd post the songs I knew, so here goes... Songs I know -- these are songs I know all the chords for all of the parts (give or take, I'm not infallible, ya know (;) Almost With You (who doesn't?) Fly Myrrh any song from Starfish (I've got the book) City Monday Morning Russian Autumn Heart Ripple Two Places at Once She's King Will I Start To Bleed? Lucious Ghost Othertime Songs I kinda know -- missing a bridge or a chord or two Just For You Into My Hands No Explanation Melody of the Rain I apologize for those of you who've waded through this and found it to be a waste of time. ): If anyone wants to know any of these, feel free to e-mail me (please use private, so as not to waste these nice people's valuabl time (-: ). And thanks, James, for putting me in my place. (-; Laters. -Scott (a.k.a. Fenton)- -reichert@crayola.cse.psu.edu- From reichert@crayola.cse.psu.edu Tue Feb 7 09:05 PST 1995 Subject: Re: Church Chords From: Scott W Reichert Um, oops. I was wrong on a section of Myrrh. The bridge right before the chorus ("How can you be so invisible / Give me the nerves to see") is wrong in my transcription. I agree with the "other" version in that this is F#m Emaj. However, I am convinced that the verse is Am Gmaj (as opposed to Am Em). I'll be posting more when I get the chance. Laters. -Scott (a.k.a. Fenton)- From reichert@crayola.cse.psu.edu Wed Feb 8 14:17 PST 1995 Subject: Re: Church Chords From: Scott W Reichert Okay, here's the daily tab: Electric: verse -------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------- --------2-----------2-----------2-----------2--------------------- -----2-----2-----2-----2-----2-----2-----2-----2--------------- --0-----------0-----------0-----------0-----------0------------- --------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------ --------1-----------1-----------1-----------1------------------ -----2-----2-----2-----2-----2-----2-----2-----2----------------- --0-----------0-----------0-----------0-----------0----------------- -------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------------------------------------------------- --------0-----------0-----------0------------0---------------------- -----2-----2-----2-----2-----2-----2-----2-----2---------------- --0-----------0-----------0-----------0-----------0--------- ------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------- --------1-----------1-----------0------------0--------------------- -----------0-----------0-----------0------------0------------------ -----2-----------2-----------2-----------2--------------------- --3-----------3-------------------------------------------------- --------------------------3-----------3----------------------------- chorus D F and, as the city glows D F electric people, nobody knows D Dsus4 D F electric dreams, nobody shows Emaj (?) and when you touch my skin, the feeling is... Well, I've spent WAY too much time typing that in. I hope some of you fellow guitarists like that one as much as I do, or at least get a lot out of the tab. Laters. -Scott (a.k.a. Fenton)- From reichert@crayola.cse.psu.edu Thu Feb 9 13:33 PST 1995 Subject: Re: Church Chords From: Scott W Reichert Okay, here's the song for the day: Lucious Ghost (Marty Willson-Piper -- Spirit Level) verse: ladies and gentlemen - power chords the chords are as follows D xx023x F xx323x Asus4 xx223x C9 x3203x The rhythm is the key to the verse, strum as follows D | F | Asus4 C9 | \ \ \ \ | \ \ \ \ | \ \ \ \ | \ \ \ \ bridge: C And the sky, G/B She was glistening, Am And the portrait G seemed to be real chorus: C Am I see your lucious ghost C Am I see your lucious ghost C Am G I see your lucious ghost You can fool around with stupid guitar tricks to emulate some of the riffs. I do a little sus work on the Am and C in the chorus ( C Am --0---0---3---0---0---0--|--0---0---3---0---0---0-- --1---0---0---0---1---0--|--1---0---0---0---1---0-- --0---0---0---0---0---0--|--2---2---2---2---2---2-- --2---2---2---2---2---3--|--2---2---2---2---2---2-- --3---3---3---3---3---3--|--0---0---0---0---0---0-- --0---0---0---0---0---0--|--0---0---0---0---0---0-- ) Well, there you go. -Fenton- From reichert@crayola.cse.psu.edu Fri Feb 10 12:22 PST 1995 Subject: Re: Church Chords From: Scott W Reichert Sorry, I couldn't keep away. Here's my song for the day... Othertime (Steve Kilbey -- Unearthed) C(9) Am F Em G *C(9) = 032030 C(9) Am You arrived here unexplained. Am F I can't believe the chance you took, F I can't believe you're Em G back again. C(9) Am Sister, come in from the rain. Am F Those images are fading now, F Be sure to bring them Em G back again. F G In the othertime, Am in a bargain basement, G you were recognized. F G Then from time to time, Am much to my amazement D Dsus With each ensueing episode, D D your elegance, it really showed. ^ | *hold into verse 2nd verse: repeat. The key here is the strumming pattern. It may take some time to get the knack of playing and singing it at the same time. (Well, it did for me.) Have fun! Fenton From reichert@crayola.cse.psu.edu Sun Feb 12 13:26 PST 1995 Subject: Re: Stuff in general From: Scott W Reichert Well, I was trying to hold off on the desert island thing, but I couldn't. Here are some, off the top of my head: the Church SA/SE, Heyday, Blurred Crusade, GAF, Starfish Marty Rhyme Steve Unearthed Hex Vast Halos Indigo Girls Rites of Passage, Indigo Girls REM Eponymous, Out of Time Counting Crows August & Everything After Aimee Mann Whatever Dada Puzzle Between the Lines Between the Lines Disclaimer: I'm basing this only on what I've heard, and what I have. I'm sure I'd pick Remindlessness and Narcosis, but I haven't heard either of them. Also, I know I've forgotten some, or just didn't think of a lot. Concerning chord postings: I'm running out of songs I've figured out. Feel free to send me requests, and I'll be happy to try to hammer something out. Laters. Fent From reichert@crayola.cse.psu.edu Tue Feb 14 17:51 PST 1995 Subject: Re: More Chords From: Scott W Reichert One of the songs that I had wanted to figure out (on guitar) more than anything was You Whisper, off of MWP's Art Attack. For the longest time (2 years or so) I couldn't. This made me less than pleased. [Fast forward to present.] I've been playing around with a riff that faintly reminded me of something I've heard before, but couldn't quite place it. Then it struck me: You Whisper (okay, so you saw that coming--I didn't). I threw the CD in and figured it out in about six minutes (many of those minutes spent figuring out that he uses a capo (: ). Anyway, I was very happy. Here it is: You Whisper (MWP -- Art Attack) *capo 2nd fret C --3---3---2---2---0---0---3---3---------0-------0-------0-------0--- ----3---3---3---3---3---3---3-------------1-------1-------1-------1- -------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------2-------0-------0-------0----- --------------------------------2---3-------2-------0--------------- ------------------------------------------------------------3------- D ------2-------2-------2-------2-----3-------2-------0-------3------ --------3-------3-------3-------3-----3---3---3---3---3---3-------- ----2-------2-------2-------2-----------0-------0-------0---------- --0---------------------------------------------------------------- ----------3-------2-------0---------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------- repeat chorus: Am G/B C C/G (x32013) G I'm not 100% on the arpeggiations, but i believe that the chords and the walk-downs are right. I was happy to figure it out. Laters. Fenton From reichert@crayola.cse.psu.edu Thu Feb 16 09:30 PST 1995 Subject: Questions & observations From: Scott W Reichert Just a few things that have been hangin' around in my head: Did anyone else notice that on the GAF cover, each of the boys is in their respective picture twice? If you didn't, look real carefully (collect all four!). Does anyone know who that is in the suit of armor in the Almost With You video? When I first got the Goldfish video, I had no idea what song Steve was singing in the one break. Who'da thunk it would be released years later? (The first track on SE, I forget the title). Just how many gee-tar players are there out there, and how many are really benefitting from the chord postings? (I'm just curious.) I remember sending mail to someone regarding live audio/video performances. Any updates/information/cost estimates/quantity estimates? (Again, the curiousity thing. That, and I'm very anxious to get it). Oh, well, that's it. Bye-bye. -Fenton- From reichert@crayola.cse.psu.edu Wed Mar 1 11:49 PST 1995 Subject: shirt lyrics From: Scott W Reichert I was singin' one of my fave Church songs walking home the other day, and this lyric hit me as a potential shirt quote: "Come and see the wild things that are just beyond the door" (Authority) This could have a bit of a double meaning. First, as a sort of exploration of unknown territory (e.g. Internet). Second, a subtle hint Just an idea. Scott (a.k.a. Fenton) From Skottz@aol.com Thu Dec 22 18:43 PST 1994 From: Skottz@aol.com Subject: SUBSCRIBE Tis probably the wrong place.. But I would like to SUBSCRIBE to the Church mailing list! Skottz... From Steve_Olechowski@andersen.com Tue Feb 7 13:08 PST 1995 37AD2D8DE266C5218625615C0073D310; Tue, 7 Feb 95 21:05:15 From: Steve Olechowski Subject: Introduction I will stop being a lurker and also post my intro with the waves of other intros... I began listening to the church when Starfish was released, however my first church album was actually Remote Luxury. My favorite disc is definitely Heyday, which I think is best album ever recorded. I also play guitar and will be contributing tab/chords soon. My favorite songs are all the ones Peter and Marty sing, and wonder why they don't get more per album. Does Mr. Kilbey prevent them from singing more, or are they just not produce as much material? What happened to Peter? Something Anything is sorely lacking without him. If anyone can send me the full discography, it would be great. I can't access it. I am 'forbidden by rule'. Anybody who can tell me where to buy (mail order, Chicago, San Francisco, Silicon Valley) any Church bootlegs would be greatly appreciated. Thanks ! Steve From Steve_Olechowski@andersen.com Mon Feb 13 06:43 PST 1995 ACEE8031B517E9D98625615F007E91C5; Mon, 13 Feb 95 14:40:24 From: Steve Olechowski Subject: DID The Church - Heyday The Church - GAF The Connells - Ring Goo Goo Dolls - Hold Me Up The Smiths - Hatfull O' Hollow Headcandy - Starcaster Sebadoh - Bakesale Afghan Whigs - Congregation R.E.M. - Chronic Town EP Samiam - Clunky From Steve_Olechowski@andersen.com Mon Feb 13 19:08 PST 1995 A10E4213A3408047862561620077F17F; Tue, 14 Feb 95 03:05:00 From: Steve Olechowski Subject: Tristesse Tristesse is also a city in France From @pucc.Princeton.EDU:SG938Q7H@DUVM.OCS.DREXEL.EDU Tue Jan 24 04:37 PST 1995 From: Susan Zalenski Subject: more worst songs Nothing all that new here: 1. Terra Nova Cain. I really want to like this one, but there is something about it that makes me cringe a little. I think it has something to do with the cheesy lyrics. 2. You're Still Beautiful 3. The Disullusionist. Someone mentioned earlier that Chaos is on their list. Funny, I like that one, even with the guitar mess going on in it. :) sue From @pucc.Princeton.EDU:SG938Q7H@DUVM.OCS.DREXEL.EDU Sat Feb 11 07:26 PST 1995 From: Susan Zalenski Subject: DID's... In no particular order: Heyday, the Blurred Crusade -The Church Murmer -REM Chrome -Catherine Wheel St. Julian -Julian Cope Lowlife -New Order The Collection -Ultravox A Spy in the House of Love -House of Love Copper Blue -Sugar Come on Pilgrim, Doolittle -The Pixies Meat is Murder -The Smiths Floodland -Sisters of Mercy Seamonsters -The Wedding Present The White Album -The Beatles Doppleganger -Curve Susan From @pucc.PRINCETON.EDU:SG938Q7H@DUVM.OCS.DREXEL.EDU Tue Jan 31 07:51 PST 1995 From: Susan Zalenski Subject: almost to tears... Thank you for the report on the Church show!!!! It almost makes cry to know that I can't see them..... Sue From rksst7+@pitt.edu Wed Feb 15 06:55 PST 1995 by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu with SMTP (8.6.9/cispo $Revision: 1.11 $) From: The Restless Stranger Subject: Blue Aeroplanes Not to piss anyone off here, but the second time I saw the Church was on the GAF tour when the BP opened up. The Church was _incredible_ (of course!!!) But, I thought the Blue Aeroplanes absolutely sucked. Am I the only one that feels this way? I couldn't believe that the Lads had them open for them; I figured it must've been Arista's decision or something. I mean, I thought the BP really, REALLY sucked in a really big sort of way. Please tell me Steve & Marty aren't big fans of them. -trs From melinsky@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu Mon Dec 5 19:58 PST 1994 From: Thomas Melinsky Subject: Vote for my favorites! Okay, I almost forgot to vote! Here are my choices: Favorite Album: Priest=Aura. I perpetually play this album. I got it when it first came out, and I haven't been able to put it down since! Excellent feel, and the lyrics for all of the songs are just superb! Favorite 3 songs: 1. Ripple. No second guessing on this one. 2. Dome. The dome reminds me of being in college, and I always think I can live forever here until reality comes crashing in via graduation. I must have known it was the end :). Bizarre enough... 3. Lost My Touch. Yeah, I could have picked another one easily off of P=A, but I always like to add something new! For some reason, this one struck me pretty good the first time through. -- --------d-r-e-a-m-s---t-h-e-y---c-o-m-p-l-i-m-e-n-t---m-y---l-i-f-e-------- Thomas Melinsky / Ohio U, Cultural Capitol / melinsky@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu "You're so Deluxe. You're so Divine. You're so Fifty Light Years Ahead of Your Time. You're a Riddle. You're a Ripple..." --- The Church