From mrg@mame.mu.OZ.AU Fri Jul 1 04:05 PDT 1994 Subject: wooo hoo! From: matthew green tonight i went shopping. i found in reflection. it's new. it was $9. it had the booklet. i am so impressed. the booklet is a *great* read, but i haven't played the album yet. oh btw, the aus release of sa has different artwork on the cd's than the american version. .mrg. From powell@Kodak.COM Fri Jul 1 05:30 PDT 1994 From: "Richard W. Powell x71123/ESD/8-23-KP" Reply-To: "Richard W. Powell x71123/ESD/8-23-KP" Subject: In Reflection Booklet Has anyone ever posted the contents of the "In Reflection" booklet? It sounds interesting. - Dick PS: matthew - what does the Aus SA artwork look like? From 4MIJARES_J@spcvxa.spc.edu Fri Jul 1 08:31 PDT 1994 Subject: The Church\JEM Organization: St. Peter's College, US I'm responding to this "address" at the advice of a friend and I'm wondering if this is some type of newsletter or fan mail address or what? Thank You. From matthew.blair@afrc.ac.uk Fri Jul 1 09:54 PDT 1994 From: BLAIRM Subject: Bored again !! Hi, It's friday afternoon, and I've got 2 hours 'til i knock off at 4pm. Outside the sun is shining, and i'm stuck in my office !! So here i am with nothing to say....well not much anyway. I wass looking at/reading SK's book (unearthed) and, although i knew it was signed, i never paid any attention to what he'd written til now. He didn't write much but 'SKINK STEVE KILBEY', 'cept his writings so..well, different,.. that it could well be 'SLINK'. Does anyone know who or what SKINK/SLINK is ? it's not me for sure ! I was also gophering around the world, and came across a gopher service called METRONET/MAVEN, run(?) by someone called DANA NOONAN, who is apparently known as 'THE MAVEN'. My question is/are 1. who or what is 'the maven' 2. Does DANA NOONAN know SK or vice/versa 3. if so _who_ is DANA NOONAN ? Maybe i'm just really stupid, but i've never heard of the word MAVEN before. Cool song tho'. Also, I got my hands on an interesting little item (least i think it is). A double cassette of S+H and Blurred crusade. Although its labelled as a double pack, there are two individual tapes in separate boxes, but the picture on the front is the same for both boxes. The track listing for S+H is wrong, missing out Fighter Pilot... and putting something else in it's place (I cant remember what) but it's definitely Fighter Pilot... on the tape. I've got both the lp's already but i thought it was a nice little item, especially since i got it for free off a mate who'd been to Australia, bought it, didn't like it, buried it and then when it re-surfaced gave it to me !!! cooooooolll !!!! And last question(s) what other types of music do church fans like ? I'm into a _huge_ variety from goth to glam to just weird, esp. bowie, the sisters of mercy, nick cave and lots more (and the church + related of course) Also what other tastes do church fans have ? movies, books etc ? Well thats me ran out of stuff (thank god) _and_ killed 20 mins !! Apologies for going on, Matt. From thad.engeling@ccmail.natinst.com Fri Jul 1 10:34 PDT 1994 id AA773091096 Fri, 01 Jul 94 12:31:36 cst From: thad.engeling@ccmail.natinst.com Subject: re:Bored again !! > And last question(s) what other types of music do church fans like ? I'm into > a _huge_ variety from goth to glam to just weird, esp. bowie, the sisters of > mercy, nick cave and lots more (and the church + related of course) Also > what other tastes do church fans have ? movies, books etc ? We did this thread before, but I didn't reply last time, and I'm bored to so here goes. I'm like a lot of different types of music including goth, industrial, experimental, noise, "alternative", punk, hardcore, techno/ambient, classical, etc. just about anything except country. My five all time favorite groups (in no particular order) Sisters of Mercy Curve The Church Skinny Puppy Bauhaus Goth stuff I like: the classics like SoM, Bauhaus, Christian Death, Virgin Prunes, Sex Gang Children. And lots of other stuff like Dead Can Dance, Sleeping Dogs Wake, Strange Boutique, Rosetta Stone, Fields of the Nephilim, Alien Sex Fiend, Girls Under Glass, Legendary Pink Dots. Industrial: Front Line Assembly, National Razor, Einsturzende Neubauten, Godflesh, Front 242, Nine Inch Nails, Young Gods, Machines of Loving Grace, Coil, Schnitt Acht, etc. varoius others: Coffee Sergeants (might appeal to other Church fans) Course of Empire, Dark Orange, Siddal, Moon Seven Times, Fugazi, Dead Kennedys, Bark Psychosis, Seefeel, Insides, Cocteau Twins, Bel Canto, Slowdive, Lush, Ride, Pale Saints, Medicine, Cranes, etc. OK, I could go like that for a long time. I like lots of stuff on the 4AD label, most projekt:darkwave stuff, lots of things on Netwerk, Cold Meat Industies, Too Pure, Ces't La Mort, early Creation (before they went retro), Clepatra, Dischord, et. al. If anyone out there is interested in trading tapes of stuff, get in touch with me, cause I'm always looking for more music, and I've discovered/bought lots of new stuff due to trading with people on the net. my email: thad.engeling@natinst.com Movies: I don't see a lot of movies, and I'm pretty picky. Recent movies I liked were JFK, Falling Down, The Unforgiven. Other favorites: Bladerunner, The Shining, Slackers, The Wall, Jacob's Ladder. Books: Mostly Science Fiction/Fantasy, a bit of horror, and lots of non-fiction with a tendency towards scientific stuff - astronomy/cosmology, mathematics, physics, etc. Some favorite authors are Roger Zelazny, William Gibson, Greg Bear, Charles Sheffield, Neil Gaiman, and Terry Pratchet. Any other comic book fans out there? I like Hepcats, Bone, Sandman, Cerebus, A Distant Soil, Savage Henry, Those Annoying Post Bros., and a few others. OK, I guess I've wasted enough time :-) later on, Thad "This isn't death, this is just a textural event" From powell@Kodak.COM Fri Jul 1 11:36 PDT 1994 From: "Richard W. Powell x71123/ESD/8-23-KP" Reply-To: "Richard W. Powell x71123/ESD/8-23-KP" Subject: vacation I'm on vacation until around July 18th. - have fun all, Dick From mrg@mame.mu.OZ.AU Fri Jul 1 18:55 PDT 1994 Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Subject: Re: In Reflection Booklet <9407011230.AA03433@ESD.Kodak.COM> From: matthew green >Has anyone ever posted the contents of the "In Reflection" >booklet? It sounds interesting. i don't think so. if i get time this weekend (ie, if i'm bored enough - there's a lot) i'll try to type it all in. i rather enjoyed reading it ;) >PS: matthew - what does the Aus SA artwork look like? um.. the colours on the cd's were different and they made different shapes.. i forget exactly - i only saw it cos someone in the store i was buying something at the time bought it.. i've only the the american version myself ;) From kwr08495@acuvax.acu.edu Sat Jul 2 22:11 PDT 1994 From: "Karl W. Reinsch" Cc: kwr08495@acuvax.acu.edu Subject: re: MWP singles Date sent: 3-JUL-1994 00:07:44 >I have 2 extra copies of the MWP CD3 "She's King", "Listen/Space", and >"Frightened Just Because Of You (Alternate version)". the alternate >version is much more uptempo, and IMO, much better than the album version. >Let me know if anyone is interested in a copy. Yes, the alternate version of "Frightened..." is the one I prefer also. I just thought I would add the often overlooked fact that "Listen/Space" on this single is not identical to the one on "Art Attack". Two obvious differences: the CD3 version is 5 minutes long, the "Art" version is 6:20; the first "Listen..." is sung twice on the "Art" version and once on the CD3. There are probably many other diffs but I haven't checked. -karl. From anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Sun Jul 3 10:27 PDT 1994 Reply-To: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Organization: Xymox UUCP System, Melbourne Australia From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: News a la Church Just a couple of quick interesting things I've heard this week to report. I'm too busy to be interesting at the moment. :-) 1. New Zealand band Strawpeople are doing a cover version of "Under The Milky Etienne who have Fiona McDonald as one of their members (she's also the lead singer of Headless Chickens). Should be fun. :) 2. Already released in Australia through Polydor is the new single for Steven Cummings, formar lead singer of The Sports and erstwhile solo artist. His new album is out in a few weeks. Why should you care? Because the single and album were recorded at Karmic Hit Studios, produced by a certain Steve Kilbey. The Kilbster also wrote the single. I haven't heard the album or single yet, but copies await me at Polydor and I shall report in the next few days. :) Hope you're all well! - Anthony -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au those herbal-tea moments." - Caroline Sullivan of The Guardian reviewing the new "Victoria Amos" album. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Sun Jul 3 10:30 PDT 1994 Reply-To: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Organization: Xymox UUCP System, Melbourne Australia From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Re: Mr.Jones Richard: > Mr. Jones does exist!!! That was one that I had considered only rumor. Yep, he certainly does! He's been around for a while; prior to his brief solo recording career he was in a band called Jimmy And The Boys, who had a couple of hit singles in the late 70s; their keyboard player was a transvestite named Joylene Hairmouth! More recently Ignatius has been doing the occasional supper club gigs and writing books, including two about what is "True Hip". He's a very clever, very funny person. > Do the songs sound like Kilbey had a hand in the recording? Not at all, and as far as I know, he didn't. Certainly not "Whispering Your Name", which was recorded later (and is, by the way, a damn good early 80s style pop song). My guess is that Ignatius got the songs via the publisher (ATV Northern); I will ask Steve about all this when the interview finally comes through. (Regular goldmine of Australian music trivia, aren't I? :-) -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au those herbal-tea moments." - Caroline Sullivan of The Guardian reviewing the new "Victoria Amos" album. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From BSmith@VCOMTELC.TELECOM.com.au Sun Jul 3 20:39 PDT 1994 From: "Smith, Brian" Subject: SA chords Hi all, Thought it was about time someone did this...so I did ! I've got the chords for a few songs here; more to come when I get more spare time. Loveblind Verse: Dm7 Dm6 Dm (rpt ad nauseum) Chorus: G (start with sus 4, remove,add,remove add etc. You'll know when.) D minor 6 is played like Dm7 but the second string (B) is left open. B is the sixth note in a D scale, hence the term D minor 6 My Little Problem Bb F :|| C Maven Verse: C#m A F#m Chorus: Em Gm :|| Am Bm7/F# Em7 Cm Some crunchy stuff here. Not sure about the Gm, it sounds OK with G. The Bm7 on F# bass is also the third chord of Metropolis ! The Em7 sounds close...but not quite there. Any takers on the right chord ? Lullaby: Hard to do this one with just chords. Here's my effort Verse: D D7 :|| A This A Chord has the descending notes going through it. If you're dextrous, you can do it too ! Chorus: F Bbmaj7 Not sure about the maj 7. Bb sounds ok on its own. Two Places At Once: Verse: C C/B Dm :|| Chorus: C C/B Am Am/G F C F G That's it ! Brian "Eb Minor" Smith BTW, this symbol :|| means repeat. I don't say how many times....your ears can tell you that. When the music sounds different, just play the next chord that I wrote down. That's probably the one you'll need :). From matthew.blair@afrc.ac.uk Mon Jul 4 09:42 PDT 1994 Content-Identifier: 118724421D00 From: BLAIRM Subject: Crap guitar tab Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Hi, (to all those people who are selling me) After seeing Brian Smith's chords for SA, I thought I'd post a couple of guitar TAB bits. I worked these out myself, but I don't have a guitar at work to check if I've remebered the TAB correctly, so apologies if they don't sound quite right. If I remember, I'll check them out myself, but then I might not. Anyway they should be close enough that you'll get some ideas. Well here's all I can remeber off the top of my head at the moment. If you have any comments, let me know. Destination Riff 1 e ---15-------------- b 12----12-13^14$^13- The 13^14^13 is the C note bended to C# g ------------------- d ------------------- a ------------------- e ------------------- Reptile Riff 1 e |---6-5-6----6-5-6---6-5-6--6-5-6 Can't quite remeber if this the b |-8-------6-6------4-------4----- correct key, but it's close enough g |-------------------------------- d |-------------------------------- a |-------------------------------- e |-------------------------------- Lullaby Riff 1 chord = D Riff 2 chord = A e |------------------ e |---7-5-3-0------5-3-0------ b |------------12-10- b |-2---------2-0-------2-0--- g |---11-12-11------- g |-2------------2---------2-0 d |-0---------------- d |-2------------------------- a |------------------ a |--------------------------- e |------------------ e |--------------------------- Chorus chord= F chord = Bb e |-1-0-1-3-1-0-3---- e |-0-1-3-1-0-1-3------------- b |-1---------------- b |-3------------------------- g |-2---------------- g |-3------------------------- d |-3---------------- d |-3------------------------- a |------------------ a |--------------------------- e |------------------ e |--------------------------- More in Matt's-Marvellous-Make-It-Up-As-You-Go-Along-Who-Needs-A-Guitar- Anyway-Nobody-Understands-Tab-So-Why-Bother-Getting-It-Right ? series to follow. That's a promise, or is it a threat ? From matthew.blair@afrc.ac.uk Mon Jul 4 09:43 PDT 1994 Content-Identifier: 1187244F2D00 From: BLAIRM Subject: god its really wet outside Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Hi Just a quick note to say thanks to everyone who wrote to tell me about their other tastes outside the church. It's very interesting to find out just how many other bands I have in common with other church fans. REM, TOM PETTY, SOM, etc. Hi to Rhonda esp. as I'm a Waterboys fan too, in a big way. Has anyone heard their last album, DREAM HARDER. It's coooooooolll !! In fact the bass on LOVEBLIND reminds me very much of the Waterboys' lp. It has that same fell to it. Don't ask me to explain it, it's just a feeling I have whenever I listem to LOVEBLIND. Anyway I could go on forever, but it's time to go home now. I'm just typing this as a way of putting off going outside. It's like a monsoon out there !! Well I'd better go soon, as the Simpsons will be on SKY ONE at 6 tonight. Then at 8, it's time for The X-files. Monday nights are always my couch potato nights. See ya, Matt. From ZEPPELIN@ac.dal.ca Mon Jul 4 10:22 PDT 1994 <01HEB8628OU8001KFH@SYSWRK.UCIS.DAL.CA>; Mon, 4 Jul 1994 14:23:11 -0400 <01HEB7UT7YNS00O5TP@AC.DAL.CA>; Mon, 4 Jul 1994 14:23:04 -0300 From: ZEPPELIN@ac.dal.ca Subject: tabs: Reptile X-Vms-To: IN%"seance@thechurch.ebay.sun.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Whoomp..here it is!: e---------------------------------- ------10-9-10---------10-9-10----- --12------------------------------ --------------13---13------------- ------------------------------------ ---------------------------------- repeat this with delay added! meanwhile the peter koppes out there are playing: b b b b b b ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------15--- --2-----------------------14-------14--12-----7------7--5-----------14-----12--- ------5---------------------------------------------------8-5------------------- ----------5---5--3------------------------------------------------------------ -------------------5---3-------------------------------------------------------- for the "long gone now" part: b ------------10-------------10-------------------10----------10----- --------8-------8------8-----------8--------8-------8----8--- --10---------------10----------10------10-------------10-------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------- this is from memory...should be pretty good! b=bend! pete From 213170596@UCIS.VILL.EDU Mon Jul 4 12:14 PDT 1994 From: 213170596@UCIS.VILL.EDU (timB) Subject: oils comments This is retarded, but i was just remembering an interview with Rob Hirst (drummer of fellow aussie band Midnight OIl) and he was asked to talk about some of the other Australian bands that he thought were good and he came to the Church, and paused, and said something like," they're a good band, but they don't really do much more than sit in front of the mirror and strum their E minor chords and feel sorry for themselves.." heh he heh he heh.... makes me chuckle.... timB From rfd@buclaa.bu.edu Tue Jul 5 11:20 PDT 1994 From: rfd@buclaa.bu.edu (Richard F. Delano) Subject: Random thoughts Here are just a few things that I've been thinking about recently, submitted for your amusement. - "Sometime Anywhere" strikes me as "Art Attack" meets "Remindlessness" It definitely sounds more like a combination of solo projects than any Church material. This is not a complaint, as I like the solo stuff a lot, and I guess considering the make up of the group it's inevitable to sound that way. - Steve Kilbey is a very underrated bass player. I've never really listened to his bass lines until recently as the guitars usually draw me in. I believe someone on this list mentioned his bass lines and that's when I started to listen. Wow! Another dimension of the Church to enjoy! - The interviews with Steve that were posted recently were great! Thanks for posting them Dick. I've never really read anything about their solo projects, it was great to read their own comments about them. Thanks also to whoever posted the Marty Willson-Piper articles. (Was that Dick too?) - Vernon! Contact me. Oh well, that's my spiel for the day. Until later..... Rich Boston Univ. "Everything is moving, but we're standing still" - SK From rcr@u.washington.edu Tue Jul 5 14:10 PDT 1994 Tue, 5 Jul 94 14:11:03 -0700 From: Rhonda Corcoran Sender: Rhonda Corcoran Reply-To: Rhonda Corcoran Subject: The Slow Crack I came across 2 vinyl copies of "The Slow Crack" this weekend. The copies are sealed and cost $3 each. If anyone is interested, I can pick them up. Rhonda From immunex!immunex.com!rubero@nwnexus.wa.com Tue Jul 5 15:24 PDT 1994 From: rubero@immunex.com Subject: Hello... X-Vms-Mail-To: UUCP%"seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM" Hello, and thanks for allowing me to tap into the pulse of the Church universe a bit further! I've been a Church nut since about Remote Luxury... I saw them in Seattle at the Paramount on the Gold Afternoon Fix tour and, interestingly, about a month ago at a little combination pub/laundromat called the Sit and Spin. It was MWP and Steve on acoustic/electric gear- awesome. I own a Rickenbacker 330-FG for obvious reasons and am into picking out Church and solo-material. I have the Starfish and Gold Aft. Fix songbooks (with TAB) in case anyone wants a fax... Also, there are really interesting brief interviews with the lads in each preface (plus posters). My favorite Heydey garb is Marty's, favorite album cover is Seance. My fave song is North, South, East, West. Other favorites include Bel-Air, Disenchanted,A Month of Sundays, Just For You, Feel, Grind, Aura, Columbus, No Explanation, and more currently, My Little Problem... I love the lyric in The Maven (he's got 60 yes-men and they tend to agree...) I also agree with the suggestion I saw that the lyric in Loveblind (I had a shave, it was close to (a close shave)) because it follow from the context in previous lines (...at a bar called Aphrodite's (on second street)), not that it matters a whole lot. I'm interested in the song lyrics but I'm not familiar with the medium mentioned(ftp?)... Oh yeah, my favorite album is Starfish... -JPR From magnus@nexto.udac.se Wed Jul 6 00:19 PDT 1994 From: Magnus Ring Subject: Some MWP news Reply-To: magnus.ring@udac.se A free magazine I picked up in a record store had some Church things in it. First it had an article on the new Church album. Since the magazine is produced by an organization for record dealers in Sweden it didn't say anything useful, just the usual PR stuff. The magazine also mentioned MWP in two different small notices. The first was about a new studio in Stockholm. This studio is run by Marty and Martin Rossel. I think the the name of the studio is "In Deep". The second notice said Marty had been in USA and there he had been writing songs with 4 Non Blondes. Anyone in US knows anything more on this. I think 4 Non Blonds has disbanded since. /Magnus Ring From BSmith@VCOMTELC.TELECOM.com.au Wed Jul 6 00:27 PDT 1994 From: "Smith, Brian" Subject: CD design: OZ vs USA Hi all, Just my 2 cents to add: the design on the Australian version has the same design as one of the blocks on the album cover. See the second one from the left on the bottom row of symbols ? That's the one on Somewhere Else ! Pinkish background, orange design. On SA the design is the third from the right. Purple background, green insects. Brian "Colour With A 'U'" Smith From anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Wed Jul 6 10:59 PDT 1994 Reply-To: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Organization: Xymox UUCP System, Melbourne Australia From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Re: Bored again !! Matt asks: > I was also gophering around the world, and came across a gopher service called > METRONET/MAVEN, run(?) by someone called DANA NOONAN, who is apparently known > as 'THE MAVEN'. My question is/are 1. who or what is 'the maven' Check the dictionary! Mine defines it simply as "Expert". -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au those herbal-tea moments." - Caroline Sullivan of The Guardian reviewing the new "Victoria Amos" album. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Wed Jul 6 11:03 PDT 1994 Reply-To: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Organization: Xymox UUCP System, Melbourne Australia From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Re: In Reflection Booklet Matthew opines on imports: > >PS: matthew - what does the Aus SA artwork look like? > > um.. the colours on the cd's were different and they > made different shapes.. i forget exactly - i only saw it > cos someone in the store i was buying something at the > time bought it.. i've only the the american version > myself ;) The Australian label art is, essentially, really ugly. I'd figured the US art may be different (anyone want to describe it?). Both discs are done with 2 colour printing only, which looks shoody for a start for a graphical label. The album proper is purple with green stylised insects (3) facing the centre, with the White logo, the Compact Disc logo, and "Disc 1" left silver. The title and copyright is printed in a circle around the hub and no track listing is on the label, as is the norm for Mushroom CDs. The SE disc is worse - neon orange, with matt pink stylised shapes looking like hot air balloons. Logos are left in orange on this one. Ugh. Worst of all, every single copy of SA - including the single disc versions - have "Disk 1" printed on the label! -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au those herbal-tea moments." - Caroline Sullivan of The Guardian reviewing the new "Victoria Amos" album. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mosk Wed Jul 6 12:50 PDT 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: SA-review in Tower's Pulse magazine Sometime Anywhere was reviewed in Tower Records' free magazine this month (July issue). Here's a transcription: The reference to the Aeroplanes is due to the review of their latest effort being the preceeding paragraph.... ---- While the Aeroplanes have simplified their approach, Australian band the Church - once a quartet prone to ace hooks and stunning dual-guitar flights, now whittled down to multi-instrumental duo Steve Kilbey and Marty Willson-Piper - dives headlong into denser, darker territory on Sometime Anywhere (Arista). The reconfigured twosome makes the most of its new freedom, favoring a spacious, exotic sonic palette that's an effective vehicle for the subtle air of menace that suffuses the new songs. When the duo's pop sensibility does emerge, it's usually in conjunction with the album's more disturbing lyrics (for example, Kilbey's creepy confessional "My Little Problem"). As on it's previous effort, the also-adventurous Priest=Aura, the Church may be courting career suicide by downplaying its more accessible instincts in favor of mystery and insinuation. But Sometime Anywhere is dense and impressive, it resonates with repeat plays. ---- -morten From thad.engeling@ccmail.natinst.com Wed Jul 6 13:16 PDT 1994 id AA773532751 Wed, 06 Jul 94 15:12:31 cst From: thad.engeling@ccmail.natinst.com Subject: CMJ magazine I don't think anyone has mentioned this yet so... The Church were featured in last month's College Music Journal, and the song "Two Places at Once" was included on the sampler CD. The article/review was not real long, and contained nothing particularly interesting, but if anyone wants to read it I could type it in. later on, Thad "This isn't death, this is just a textural event" From iy17@jove.acs.unt.edu Wed Jul 6 14:37 PDT 1994 From: Koontz Christopher Noel Subject: Re: Bored again !! Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM On Wed, 6 Jul 1994, Anthony Horan wrote: > Matt asks: > > > I was also gophering around the world, and came across a gopher service called > > METRONET/MAVEN, run(?) by someone called DANA NOONAN, who is apparently known > > as 'THE MAVEN'. My question is/are 1. who or what is 'the maven' > > Check the dictionary! Mine defines it simply as "Expert". > mine goes a step further; it implies a magesterial sense of philistinism that accompanies their ilk...> -- > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au > those herbal-tea moments." > - Caroline Sullivan of The Guardian reviewing the new "Victoria Amos" album. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > From rfd@buclaa.bu.edu Thu Jul 7 13:32 PDT 1994 From: rfd@buclaa.bu.edu (Richard F. Delano) Subject: SA/SE lyrics Has anyone ever completed the lyrics for Sometime Anywhere/Someplace Else? As far as I can tell the following lyrics were not posted: My Little Problem, The Maven, Angelica, Drought I could also add Macabre Tavern to that list ;) I know Vernon did the original batch, but he's away having fun. Did he unsubscribe Morten or will he have all this fun filled mail to return to? If anyone has any of these lyrics, please post them. Thanks! Rich Boston Univ. From BSmith@VCOMTELC.TELECOM.com.au Thu Jul 7 18:13 PDT 1994 From: "Smith, Brian" Subject: Steve's overseas calls For those who care (not many), and those who've heard of Optus, Steve has shown his True Blue colours and stayed with Telecom for his STD and IDD calls. For Non-Australians: Our phone company (Telecom, who I work for) has recently been forced into the real world by a competitor. Optus entered the Mobile Phone, International and Interstate market last year some time and has taken roughly 10% of Telecom's business. This year everyone was asked to choose which carrier they'd like to have carry their international and interstate calls...and Steve chose Telecom. Brian "Time On My Hands" Smith From pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Fri Jul 8 11:23 PDT 1994 From: pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Subject: Re: Steve's overseas calls Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Thank god Steve is still with Telecom ! as Brian informs us. I'd hate to think that by switching to another phone company, his rates would change, and he'd stop calling me all the time!!! Ah, if only..... -paul From rfd@buclaa.bu.edu Fri Jul 8 11:52 PDT 1994 From: rfd@buclaa.bu.edu (Richard F. Delano) Subject: Tower ad I just spotted this Tower Records ad about The Church: "Ironically entitled SOMETIME ANYWHERE, the new album from The Church is the band's most cohesive combination of adventurousness and quirki- ness. In the tradition of the band's breakthrough smash hit "Under The Milky Way," the new album is some of the most accessible and compelling work the band has ever displayed. With the flawless, multi-dimensional blend of melodic and dissonant sounds and images, The Church have become true pioneers of "Alternative" music, achieving both mass acceptance and strong critical acclaim." I would hardly call SA "some of the most accessible" work. I also would argue the "mass acceptance" line. I guess any promotion is good promotion. Rich Boston Univ. From TAOBERLY@delphi.com Fri Jul 8 21:27 PDT 1994 From: Todd Oberly Subject: Goldmine SA review X-Vms-To: IN%"seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT This is a short "Sometime Anywhere" review from Goldmine. The adjectives sound familiar somehow, but I don't think anybody's posted it before. I don't know what his problem is with long songs and long albums, but other- wise, I think it's a pretty honest review... Todd THE CHURCH Sometime Anywhere Arista (07822-18729-2) Wading through the Church's new "Sometime Anywhere" is, to put it mildly, a daunting task. The album's 13 songs occupy a sprawling 77-minute package, and that's not taking into consideration the 30-minute bonus disc. Yes, it's a massively lengthy collection - and Steven Kilbey sill (sic) sings like a low-key Bono - but "Sometime Anywhere" is a warm, compelling record. The Church hasn't scored a big hit since 1988's stunning single "Under The Milky Way," but the album meanders amiably, as if the band didn't have anything to prove. And considering the Church's immense and often excellent body of work, maybe it doesn't. "Sometime Anywhere"'s lush, eight-minute single "Two Places At Once" (viva radio edits!) is simultaneously pretty and radio-unfriendly, insuring the album's place as a "for fans only" release. And that's too bad. The record strikes a likable balance between lazy pacing and ambitious arrangements, and it's a terrific mood-setter. (If you're looking for dancier Church material, the bonus disc features several catchy, hook-intensive cuts, and none of the seven tracks exceeds five minutes.) Many music reviewers detest long records: After all, who wants to endure an 80-minute epic when you get the same pay for listening to a concise 20- minute EP? But as long as the quality is consistent, and it is here, there's nothing wrong with giving fans enormous quantities of music for their money. "Sometime Anywhere" is a languid, sleepy record, but there's plenty of it to go around. Stephen Thompson From anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Sun Jul 10 10:18 PDT 1994 Reply-To: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Organization: Xymox UUCP System, Melbourne Australia From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Re: Bored again !! Christopher Koontz (any relation? :-) defines: > > > as 'THE MAVEN'. My question is/are 1. who or what is 'the maven' > > > > Check the dictionary! Mine defines it simply as "Expert". > > > mine goes a step further; it implies a magesterial sense of philistinism > that accompanies their ilk...> -- Now I feel dictionarilly inferior. But at least mine only takes up 1Mb of hard disk space. :-) -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au those herbal-tea moments." - Caroline Sullivan of The Guardian reviewing the new "Victoria Amos" album. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jrbarnet@mtu.edu Sun Jul 10 20:21 PDT 1994 From: Jeffrey Barnett Subject: Hello Hello, I just signed up to the list a few weeks ago and I have been enjoying it. It's great that their is a place where you can find out what's going on with the Church. It's not like there is a whole lot of mention of them in the music media, except for the occasional record review or interview. Please excuse my ignorance, but is the Church going to be touring the US to support their new one, and what's the deal with only two remaining members of the band? Who left after Priest=Aura? My favorite album would have to be Starfish, and my favorite song is " Paradox". I first discovered the Church when "Under the Milkyway" hit the airwaves some time ago. Most of the Church albums I have are the more recent ones. I also have SK's Unearthed which I picked up for $2.99 in a cut-out bin at some mall record store. I find that humorous because it's probably on of the best albums I own. I also really enjoy Jackfrost. I haven't had a chance to get the new one yet. I would like to get one with the bonus disc, but how do I know that it is included? Does it say on the packaging? So far all of the ones I have seen make no mention of the bonus disc. Well, I must be going- It's great to be aboard. Cheers, Jeff Barnett From BSmith@VCOMTELC.TELECOM.com.au Mon Jul 11 00:00 PDT 1994 From: "Smith, Brian" Subject: Choice of next single from SA I think the next single should be Day Of The Dead. Why ? Simple. Because it's a CHURCH SONG ! I've been listening hard to the album, and that's the only definitive Church-sounding song. It's what I expect/hope and like The Church to sound like. The other songs are good, but they're mostly a new direction for the band, whereas this one is reminiscent of their concert performances and would make a good "Church Single." The sales pitch, from my point of view is, "You like the big church sound, then you'll like this." Any comments ? Any rumours about a real second single ? Above all, how about some real B-Sides ! Ban the "Radio Edit" ! Brian "Ever Been In A Desperate Way" Smith From matthew.blair@afrc.ac.uk Mon Jul 11 08:15 PDT 1994 Content-Identifier: 11875C0D2B00 From: BLAIRM Subject: my ace weekend :) Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Brian Smith writes > I think the next single should be Day Of The Dead. Why ? I think the next single should be LOVEBLIND. Why ? Coz i'm stupid, and happen to think that this would probably be the only song from SA that would have a snowball's chance of getting played (in the UK at least). Also coz I happen to like that song. It's perhaps not the best song on the album, but I do think it is one of the most accessible ! > I've been listening hard to the album, and that's the only definitive > Church-sounding song. Cor, really ? I'm not entirely sure there are _any_ Church-sounding songs on the album. Don't ask me to qualify that statement, I'm too lazy to work up any real argument, so I'll just spout rubbish instead. > The sales pitch, from my point of view is, "You like the big church sound, then you'll like this." Any comments ? How about _any_ sales pitch. There has been no mention anywhere in the UK press that the church even exist, nevermind that there's a new LP out. The only way I found out about SA/SE being released was from Paul, about the same time he put me onto the list. On a different note, I managed to get 'THE SLOW CRACK' and 'EARTHED' at the weekend on vinyl !! I have them already on CD but it's not the same :-) Cor blimey what a weekend. I haven't stopped smiling about it yet. All because Mr Kilbey recorded some pieces of music, and some bloke in a record shop sold them to me !! The were both brand new, and still in their polythene wrappers. 'EARTHED' is also on clear vinyl. Cooooooollll ! Well I've rambled enuf for now. MAtt. From Vernon_Harmon@PROBACTO.SOAR.CS.CMU.EDU Mon Jul 11 11:00 PDT 1994 11 Jul 94 13:58:16 EDT From: Vernon_Harmon@PROBACTO.SOAR.CS.CMU.EDU Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Subject: Re: Bored again !! <9406017730.AA773091096@ccmail.natinst.com> I have very strange tastes in music, I have been told. Among my favorites: The Church The Cure Oingo Boingo (just Boingo now) Talking Heads and related (David Byrne, Tom Tom Club, Casual Gods) Joe Satriani Art of Noise Devo The Beatles Chris DeBurgh Prince Billy Joel Huey Lewis and the News Genesis Depeche Mode The Police Peter Gabriel Queen Rush Skinny Puppy Mission UK Alice In Chains They Might Be Giants ZZ Top Howard Jones Aerosmith Sting and many others... >Any other comic book fans out there? >I like Hepcats, Bone, Sandman, Cerebus, A Distant Soil, Savage Henry, >Those Annoying Post Bros., and a few others. Hell yes! I've been collecting comics for as long as I can remember. I just started reading Bone and Cerebus within the last year and just recently started reading Hepcats and ADS. I'm one of the folks, though, who've been reading Sandman since #1. :) I just can't seem to get into TAPB or Milk and Cheese, but I've really only skimmed the occasional issue on the stands. I run a mailing list for the Legion of Super-Heroes. I used to read a lot of DC and Marvel. Just recently, I finally dumped almost all of the Marvels and many DC's, finding a number of interesting independents (try Starchild!) to read instead. --Vernon. From Vernon_Harmon@PROBACTO.SOAR.CS.CMU.EDU Mon Jul 11 11:34 PDT 1994 11 Jul 94 14:33:28 EDT From: Vernon_Harmon@PROBACTO.SOAR.CS.CMU.EDU Subject: Re: Choice of next single from SA Speaking of DOTD: while on my trip I discovered that DOTD reminds me in subtle ways of the Doors' "Riders on the Storm"...that got me to thinking. Anybody know if Steve has ever mentioned Morrison as an influence? I think there are some interesting parallels there...in their music, lyrics and lifestyles. --Vernon. From magnus@nexto.udac.se Tue Jul 12 00:13 PDT 1994 From: Magnus Ring Subject: re:Bored again!! Reply-To: magnus.ring@udac.se Unlike Vernon I wouldn't call my musical tastes strange (enough of other people do that so I don't have to myself). I would settle for broad though. Among my favourites are : Church (surprise!!!) dB's Only Ones Syd Straw Marti Jones David Bowie Marc Bolan Iggy Pop Velvet Underground Mott the Hopple Sparks Sweet Yes Emerson, Lake & Palmer Genesis (with Gabriel) Hawkwind Mike Oldfield Sally Oldfield Alan Parson Project Samla Mammas Manna Animals Yardbirds Led Zeppelin Beatles Rolling Stones (60's only) Bob Dylan Donovan Phil Ochs Buffy Sainte-Marie Steeleye Span Planxty Tri Yann Malicorne Nina Simone Ella Fitzgerald Django Reinhardt All band names should be read as '... and related'. /Magnus Ring From matthew.blair@afrc.ac.uk Tue Jul 12 05:00 PDT 1994 Content-Identifier: 1187633B3B00 From: BLAIRM Subject: SA review (?!) Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Here's a very short review of SA from Q Magazine. So far it's the only UK review I've seen. All the mistakes are from the genuine article, and are not a result of me being stupid. Q review everything out of 5, so 3 out of 5 isn't too bad. The Stones were also reviewed, and they only got 3. As did Julian Cope. Having said that Alice Cooper got 3 also. Morten, did you say you were into Icicle Works/Ian Mcnabb ? Ian's new LP 'Head Like A Rock' gets 4 out of 5, and is summed up as 'a huge magical music-loving record'. Anyway here goes with the review. The Church Sometime Anywhere The Church still inhabit that limboland of dream pop, where the Australian trio remain lost in clouds of both metaphorical and smokable substance. Two albums since 1990's Starfish, tha album that finally broke them, during which time they've taken stock of musical trends, especially at the slow, sultrier end of dance. But Sometime Anywhere is still a further refinement of the psychedelic louchness that has seen them grow into the space between The Only Ones and Talk Talk. The melodies are too soporific to penetrate deeply but you can still get heavenly-lost in several chorus lifts (the best being the sublime AOR leanings of 2 Places At Once, where songwriters Steve Kilbey and Marty Willson-Piper sing different sets of lyrics) and textures that would shame a Persian carpetweaver. 3 out of 5. Matt. From matthew.blair@afrc.ac.uk Tue Jul 12 09:16 PDT 1994 Content-Identifier: 1187644F2300 From: BLAIRM Subject: more SA reviews Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Hi, I picked up another 'review' of SA, from Adam Curry's Music Server. IMHO, this is even more of a hoot than the Q review I posted earlier. See what you think. Just togive credit where credit's due, the review was byt someone called Andreas G. Veneris. Wonder if he's actually heard The Church ? The CHURCH "Sometime Anywhere" (Arista) 4+/6 ========================================================================== Ausies rockabily masters The Church are back, and this time they are more psychedelic than ever. Maybe they don't have hits as "Under the Milky Way" ('Starfish' album, 1988) but they play what they always were, psychedelic garage rockabily, like the Division meet The Cure with less distortion in guitars. Definetely an album for their old (and matured) fans! _______________________________________________________________________________ Matt. From @PUCC.PRINCETON.EDU,@DUVM.OCS.DREXEL.EDU:SG938Q7H@DUVM.OCS.DREXEL.EDU Tue Jul 12 10:15 PDT 1994 From: Susan Zalenski Subject: musical taste (was: Bored again!) I wouldn't call my musical taste strange nor broad merely pretty run-of-the mill based on what everyone listens too. I have recently rediscovered some "dinasour" music that I used to enjoy, but pushed aside a few years ago because it wasn't "cool". Screw being cool, just listen to what you enjoy! The Church The House of Love (often compare to the Church by my friends who can't tell the difference). R.E.M. (I love their first three recordings) The Pixies New Order O.M.D. Catherine Wheel The Charlatans Insprial Carpets (earlier stuff) Talk Talk Curve XTC Syd Straw Ultravox (related to Visage and solo Midge Ure) Utah Saints Sisters of Mercy Yes Rush Pink Floyd (pre-Dark Side) Syd Barret, who reminds me of Robyn Hitchcock Depeche Mode The Pretenders Dire Straits Suzanne Vega This is basically a list of the things that I own, which means I liked it enough to spend money on it. I didn't include the stuff that I like, but never got around to buying. Susan From anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Tue Jul 12 13:25 PDT 1994 Reply-To: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Organization: Xymox UUCP System, Melbourne Australia From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Re: Choice of next single from SA Brain "E Sharp Major" Smith writes: > I think the next single should be Day Of The Dead. Why ? I thought the next single *was* "Day Of The Dead". I recall someone here saying they were shooting a video for it. BTW, anyone know where Steve and Marty are at the moment? I'm still waiting for an interview, so if Steve's back in Australia I can start hassling Mushroom again... :-) > real second single ? Above all, how about some real B-Sides ! Ban the > "Radio Edit" ! Betcha there's nothing left to release...! BTW, for the discography: Stephen Cummings "October 13" / "White Noise" Polydor Australia CD Single 853 353-2 September 13 (Steve Kilbey) White Noise (Cummings/O'Mara) Three Dead Passengers (Cummings/Graney) Whisper Me Nothing (Bennie/Giarrusso) * Tracks 1 and 2 produced by Steve Kilbey, Recorded at Karmic Hit, engineered by Simon Polinski, from the album "Falling Swinger". * Vocal by Stephen VCummings, music performed by Underground Lovers, from their album "Leaves Me Blind" (Polydor Australia, Guernica/4AD UK). -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au those herbal-tea moments." - Caroline Sullivan of The Guardian reviewing the new "Victoria Amos" album. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From gsa@panix.com Tue Jul 12 16:54 PDT 1994 From: Gary Assa Subject: Re: more SA reviews Cc: Receipt Notification Requested > I picked up another 'review' of SA, from Adam Curry's Music Server. > IMHO, this is even more of a hoot than the Q review I posted earlier. > See what you think. > > Just togive credit where credit's due, the review was byt someone called > Andreas G. Veneris. Wonder if he's actually heard The Church ? > > The CHURCH "Sometime Anywhere" (Arista) 4+/6 > > ========================================================================== > > Ausies rockabily masters The Church are back, and this time they are more ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ HUH!?!?!?!?!?!?! From U23500@UICVM.UIC.EDU Tue Jul 12 21:05 PDT 1994 From: Mephisto in Onyx Subject: Fave Artists OK, since everyone else is doing it...I'll post a list of some of my fave bands and artists... The Church Metallica Sisters of Mercy Dire Straits Fields of the Nephilim Iron Maiden The Cure Jethro Tull Voivod Grateful Dead Danzig Combustible Edison John Wesley Harding Bob Dylan Asia Judas Priest Slayer Bauhaus/Tones on Tail/Love & Rockets Damn the Machine Richard Thompson Pink Floyd/Roger Waters Ennio Morricone Queen/Brian May/Freddy Mercury Marillion/Fish Peter Gabriel Concrete Blonde nine inch nails Nirvana Lou Reed U2 Tom Waits Neo Pseudo Naked Raygun Cowboy Junkies and that is just a smattering of the stuff that i absolutely like... but you get the gist of the issue...I guess you could say "diverse" raj | When inward life dries up, when feeling decreases and apathy increases, | | when one cannot affect or even genuinely touch another person, violence | | flares up as a daimonic necessity for contact, a mad drive forcing contact | | in the most direct way possible. -Rollo May, LOVE AND WILL | | High in the bloody sky, the Deathbird circled. -Harlan Ellison, DEATHBIRD | From KDSCHMITT@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu Tue Jul 12 21:38 PDT 1994 13 Jul 1994 00:39:23 -0400 (EDT) From: KDSCHMITT@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu Subject: What happened to.. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Does anybod exactly what happened to Koppes and Daugherty? I bought the new album and just can't seem to get into it as much as old Church. I know people will tell me to give it a good listen, but it just isn't the same. All of the solo stuff doesn't even match up to the sound of the Church. I guess it is a sound that stems from the collaboration of the individuals. I just don't see that sound present in the new one. I don't know........ Just a thought..... --der schmitt BTW, here are some of my favorites: All Big Drill Car Breeders Church Circus Lupus Connells Cure Descendents Dinosaur Jr. Drop Acid Doughboys Down By Law Drive Like Jehu Echo and the Bunnymen Embrace Fugazi Peter Gabriel Government Issue Grey Matter Green Magnet School Green Day John Wesley Harding Husker Du Robyn Hitchcock and the Egyptians House Of Love Janes Addiction Jesus and Mary Chain Jawbox Jawbreaker Joy Division Love and Rockets Magnolias Mighty Lemon Drops Charles Mingus Bob Mould Mudhoney Ned's Atomic Dustbin New Model Army Nirvana NOFX Pailhead Phleg Camp Posies Power of Dreams REM Replacements Ride Samiam Seven Seconds Shudder To Think Social Distortion Something Happens Sonic Youth Smiths Sugar Toad the Wet Sprocket U2 Velocity Girl Waterboys Wonder Stuff there are more but my arms are tired. (Hey, I was bored) BYE From mrg@mame.mu.OZ.AU Wed Jul 13 02:22 PDT 1994 Subject: Re: What happened to.. <01HEN00T7AAE8WY4CY@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu> From: matthew green >BTW, here are some of my favorites: i've got an idea. how about we list the bands we really *don't* like ? ;) .mrg. [who will post a list soonish ..] From mosk Wed Jul 13 08:29 PDT 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Favorite / favourite bands (Was: SA review (?!)) > From matthew.blair@afrc.ac.uk Tue Jul 12 05:00:48 1994 > Julian Cope. Having said that Alice Cooper got 3 also. Morten, did you say > you were into Icicle Works/Ian Mcnabb ? Ian's new LP 'Head Like A Rock' gets > 4 out of 5, and is summed up as 'a huge magical music-loving record'. Ooooh, yes, you bet.... His previous solo-album was simply a pop-gem. This new one, I hear, is reviewed as even better than the last one. It doesn't seem possible. My copy of it and Ian's 2 new singles are on their way from a fellow IW fan in Scotland. Gawd, I _love_ the Internet! :-) While we're on the subject, here's my list of fave bands, as if anybody cares... :-) There's no special order, except for the first one, as it changes with my moodswings (and at my age, these come often...). It's more a list of bands that I listen to a lot... The Kilbey/Willson-Piper Family & Friends Pop Combo Clouds Television / Tom Verlaine Margot Smith (Hi Anthony!) Icicle Works/ Ian Robert "Boots" McNabb Mae Moore The Shirts Doll By Doll The Sound / Adrian Borland Van Der Graaf Generator (on heavy rotation this week) Felt Bughouse Etherium (John Mazzei) Elariul (Erik Berglund) Enya (Enya) Matthew Sweet Falling Joys and about a 1000 more.... -m From wimmer@anthro.utah.edu Wed Jul 13 12:53 PDT 1994 From: Matt Wimmer Subject: everybody's favorites What is kind of strange is that there's not a whole lot of continuity in what everybody likes. Mortens list was no shocker, and there seems to be a lot of people into gloomy shit (a category the church could occasionally fall under, I suppose) like joy division/cure/sisters of mercy. As long as I'm posting (mailing? whatever...) here's my list of what I'm listening to when its not the church/kilbey/marty/koppes/etc. morrissey pj harvey suzanne vega dead can dance this mortal coil psychedelic furs and various others too numerous to mention... By the way, does it seem to anyone else that this is a sign of really running out of things to talk about? And Jack Frost isn't until Xmas! From brenta@microsoft.com Wed Jul 13 13:57 PDT 1994 X-Msmail-Message-Id: 30DBD66A X-Msmail-Conversation-Id: 30DBD66A X-Msmail-Fixed-Font: 0001 X-Msmail-Wiseremark: These pretzels are making me thirsty From: Brent Aliverti Subject: everybody else is doing it... Faves other than The Church include: David Sylvian/Japan & related Kate Bush Not Drowning, Waving/My Friend The Chocolate Cake Galaxie 500/Luna Go Betweens/GWM/RF/(but not really Cleopatra Wong) Rain Parade/Dream Syndicate/Opal/Mazzy Star/ /Viva Saturn/Guild of Temporal Adventurers Paul Kelly/and the Messengers/Coloured Girls/Dots Game Theory/Loud Family Bill Nelson (mostly prefer the instrumental stuff) Cocteau Twins Boiled in Lead Connells Jazz Butcher Conspiracy ("Take a look at Max!") Grapes of Wrath/Ginger Waterboys various ambient/industrial/sdtrk stuff including Paul Schutze/ Shinjuku Thief/Jeff Grienke/Extreme label artists, etc Yo La Tengo Yes (mostly pre-90125, but a few after as well) many other fine bands/artists that I don't have time to list (and you don't have time to read :-) From kallista@netcom.com Wed Jul 13 20:23 PDT 1994 From: kallista@netcom.com (Chris Barrus) Subject: Bands Aargh. I generally dislike lists like this, but I'll take a stab at it. In no particular order... Spacemen 3/Spectrum/Spiritualized/The Darkside Sundial Flying Saucer Attack Bevis Frond Blind Mr. Jones Pink Floyd/Syd Barrett/David Gilmour/Roger Waters Galaxie 500/Magic Hour Dream Syndicate/Steve Wynn Weddings, Parties, Anything Sam & Dave Kendra Smith/Opal Robyn Hitchcock The Fall Can Ammon Duul Link Wray The Prisoners Not Drowning, Waving/My Friend The Chocolate Cake Man Or Astroman The Tall Dwarfs Clouds Stan Ridgeway/Wall Of Voodoo Peter Case/The Plimsouls Les Paul & Mary Ford Popdefect The Walkabouts World Party The Smithereens House Of Love The Vertabrats Thirteenth Floor Elevators Dick Dale The Swans Nick Cave ...and The Church ========================================================================== Chris Barrus - kallista@netcom.com | "Route 66 is a giant chute down which | everything loose in this country is '72 Riviera - Peace through | sliding into Southern California." superior automotive power! | - Frank Lloyd Wright ========================================================================== From BSmith@VCOMTELC.TELECOM.com.au Wed Jul 13 23:31 PDT 1994 From: "Smith, Brian" Subject: Sometime Anywhere scanned album cover Does anyone want the scanned cover of SA ? I can't provide ftp access,but I can mail it to whoever can provide this. Is there a standard Church site for scanned images ? I also have some photos of the guys that I took, plus I plan to get the other album covers. Isn't it great when someone gets the company to buy them a scanner ?! Sorry, but I can't mail it directly to anyone. Our Mail Police watch big files. (Hi guys ! :) ) Brian Smith From matthew.blair@afrc.ac.uk Thu Jul 14 02:05 PDT 1994 Content-Identifier: 118772411200 From: BLAIRM Subject: babbling (not a list of fav bands !) Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Hi, Just thought I'd post a couple of bits and pieces. Last night I had a 'Marty' night, when all I played was MWP solo, and All About Eve singles. While I was doing this I looked out a couple of etched messages on church + related stuff. Here goes (apologies if you've heard these already) Persia - Lunch Lackeys Lug Limiters - side 1 - Echos Of Ghostly Dogs - side 2 Unearthed- Here's Another Clue For You, The Walrus Was Steve - side 1 - Should Be Listened To In The Bedroom And Out Of It- side 2 Every Hour God Sends 7" - In Which Pride Circus Tells Us To Raq Off - A side - Is That A Hornpipe ? - B side Also on the 7" gatefold sleeve version of 'Under The Milky Way' Steve's name is spelt Kilbey on the sleeve, but on the label on the record it's spelt Kilby. And finally, I was listening to 'Frieda of Blood And Gold', which is on the B-side of All About Eve's 'The Dreamer' 12", and IMHO Marty's playing on this song (Frieda) is possibly the best he's done. That's only my opinion of course. I also happen to love the guitar solo and the end of 'Even Though You Are My Friend'. I wish it was me playing that. Well got to go Matt. From FURSTD@BoysTown.ORG Thu Jul 14 06:51 PDT 1994 From: FURSTD@BoysTown.ORG (DAVID FURST) Subject: generator Van Der Graaf!!!! R U depressed this week morton? FYI - Recently came into possession of remindlessness/narcosis, and selected singles. I am currently obsessing on Never Come Back and Creature and Life's Little Luxuries. FYI - Fave music= Connells Robyn Hitchcock Richard Thompson with an without Linda Gin Blossoms Posies Toad the Wet Sprocket Blake Babies PJ Harvey etc..... From FURSTD@BoysTown.ORG Thu Jul 14 06:51 PDT 1994 From: FURSTD@BoysTown.ORG (DAVID FURST) Subject: Oh yeah Oh yeah, Game Theory/Loud Family is genius!!!! WHat's the deal? I thought new Jack Frost was coming out this month? Now it's x-mas time? Do you know for sure? If we're really running out of things to talk about, we could make up neat names for nonexistent bands, like, The Prozac Ozone Warriors. Their first album could be 'Fine Just Fine' dave From @PUCC.PRINCETON.EDU,@DUVM.OCS.DREXEL.EDU:SG938Q7H@DUVM.OCS.DREXEL.EDU Thu Jul 14 12:58 PDT 1994 From: Susan Zalenski Subject: least favorite bands ok, so I'll be one of the first to take the plunge and name my *least favorite* bands. Please note that this is not my personal list of "bands that suck"; I'm merely listing some muscial performers who don't tickle my brain. Even though this may be a very "un-Church-like" topic, I feel that it is quite relevant considering the fact that the Church did the same themselves during the AOL session. And, I know that I need not mention this, but I have no intention of starting a flame war..... Counting Crows (the Elmer Fudd School of Voice Instruction: "vewey, vewey,.." Sorry!! I couln't resist!!) Indigo Girls The Story Gene Loves Jezebel (save for "Desire") Frente 4 Non Blondes Edie Brickell and the New Bohemians John Hiatt I made a point to stay away from "fluff" like Sigue Sigue Sputinik or something like that. I'm sure all of the above are talented, but I just don't care for their music. In fact, now that I think about it, I don't really *hate* a lot of what is out there, it just doesn't move me. My boyfriend owns more CD's by "singer-songwriters" and most of it just doesn't do it for me. Of course, the Church doesn't do it for him, but that's because he is seriously disturbed. :) Susan From brenta@microsoft.com Thu Jul 14 13:44 PDT 1994 X-Msmail-Message-Id: 84DCE908 X-Msmail-Conversation-Id: 84DCE908 X-Msmail-Wiseremark: These pretzels are making me thirsty From: Brent Aliverti Subject: RE: least favorite bands Obviously, musical tastes are very subjective. At the risk of turning this into a gripe session, I would have to say my least favorite bands are those that are currently in heavy rotation on our local modern-rock station, KNDD 107.7. They have the ability to take an otherwise okay song and make me completely despise it (and the band) by playing it to death. Their programming is unbelievably middle-of-the-road. I just don't see why a commercial radio station can't have an adventurous and varied playlist? Aren't there enough people out there that like new music. Do people really want to hear the same Stone Temple Pilots song over and over and over? And as for oldies, all we ever get are the big hits. I don't mind if they play an old Cure song, but why does it have to be "Boys Don't Cry" every single time? Arghhh! Get that musical director a subscription to Option and Alternative Press immediately! Thanks for listening to my rant. Do folks in other cities have decent commercial radio stations, or is it mostly just the college-run stations that are somewhat clued in? From balst9+@pitt.edu Thu Jul 14 15:58 PDT 1994 From: Bradley A Lewis Subject: EVERYBODIES DOING IT SO WHY CAN'T I? I know I'm a little late for this subject, but since I couldn't list all the bands I hate (probably just check off half the top-forty and you'd have a good approximation) I'll just list some of the bands I either really like now or did not too long ago( in no particular order- just as I can think of them). The Connells REM Dreams So Real Midnight Oil Hunters and Collectors Robyn Hitchcock & the Egyptians/ the Soft Boys They Might Be Giants Peter Murphy (though Steve wouldn't approve) The Beatles The Doors some of Rickie Lee Jones older stuff k. d. lang Lyle Lovette Indigo Girls Yoko Ono (believe it ro not) old New Wave stuff and probably lots of other stuff but I'm too cheap to buy... ( or too out of it to remember) Brad From mosk Fri Jul 15 08:11 PDT 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: RE: least favorite bands > From brenta@microsoft.com Thu Jul 14 13:44:22 1994 > > Thanks for listening to my rant. Do folks in other cities have decent > commercial radio stations, or is it mostly just the college-run > stations that are somewhat clued in? > Nope, the "local" alternative station here, Live105, is about as alternative as a BigMac... I've simply stopped listening to them. If I happen to tune it in, there's no way of telling what they're playing, it all sounds the same. Grungy guitars and screaming or whining old men.... It's pathetic.... And mind you, this station used to be excellent, introducing me to such bands as House Of Love and Stone Roses. They also played Metropolis about a month before it was officially released. They used to advertise their shopping trips to the UK to pick up the "best of alternative rock". Now they seem to shop at Sam Goode... Yuk. There's still a couple of good stations around here, both of them college stations, of course... They even play local music, which should be a pre-requisite for any radio station.... -morten From immunex!immunex.com!rubero@nwnexus.wa.com Fri Jul 15 08:24 PDT 1994 From: rubero@immunex.com Subject: Re: FM 107.7 Seattle X-Vms-Mail-To: UUCP%"seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM" I've been griping about the exact same thing about Seattle's "alternative" station... it really is a joke. All I ever hear are old R.E.M songs from either "Green", "Document", or "Fables...". Or the obligatory "Why Can't I Be You" of the Cure. I haven't figured out what the point is. Maybe it's the world's first alternative oldies station... The irony, like the Microsoft gentleman says, is that these are bands I like... -JPR By the way, here are my fave bands (time tested): 1. The Church 2. The Beatles 3. The Jazz Butcher Conspiracy 4. Robyn Hitchcock and the Egyptians 5. The Pixies 6. R.E.M. 7. Nirvana 8. Camper Van Beethoven 9. The Lemonheads 10. Old, Old Chicago (I know what you're gonna say...) From gsa@panix.com Fri Jul 15 18:07 PDT 1994 From: Gary Assa Subject: Re: least favorite bands Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM > And, I know that I need not mention this, but I have no intention of starting > a flame war..... > > Counting Crows (the Elmer Fudd School of Voice Instruction: "vewey, vewey,.." > Sorry!! I couln't resist!!) > Indigo Girls > The Story > Gene Loves Jezebel (save for "Desire") > Frente > 4 Non Blondes > Edie Brickell and the New Bohemians > John Hiatt > My list of suck-bands includes all those above, too! How about Nirvana, and all those Seatlle bands that are really the same, just different names. Depeche Mode, all rap bands. You know, now that I think about it, I really don't like any bands other than those on my list of bands I like (which has not been posted yet). Way to go Susan. P.S. How was the frog story? From s3brow@sanger.otago.ac.nz Fri Jul 15 23:01 PDT 1994 From: "John Brown-O'Sullivan" Subject: like suns, our warmth fades away Whenever I'm in need of an inspirational title, I just take a line from 'Seance'. 'Electric' is one of my all time faves. I haven't sent any mail to this listserver for ages,mainly because I was having heaps of problems with my email, including being cut off for an entire week because the man in charge changed my password. Anyway, a few of my thoughts: 1. 'Somewhere Anytime' is a good album, but it doesn't show any of the genius that 'Priest=Aura' did. That will rank as the best ever Church album, I think. Lyrically and vocally, P=A blows SA away; AND, it is very tight conceptually, ie all the songs hang together very well, unlike on SA, and the guitars and drums have a moody appeal that is absent from SA's drum loops and dense keyboard tracks. 2. Having said that, 'Somewhere Else' more than makes up for SA! Every song is a killer. 'The Time Being' is my favourite, but for sheer genre-crossing wierdness 'Freeze to Burn' comes close. I can't believe that more of these songs didn't make it onto SA. I mean we don't mind, but the reviewers only got SA, and if it had had some of the tracks from SE instead of some of the ones it did it would have done a lot better. 3. Why did they choose 2PAO as the first single? The first time I heard this I loathed it - now I think it's beautiful, but NO WAY is it a single. The basic rule should be, don't choose a song that will have to be cut. Look at Ripple - a fantastic song, but they ripped the guts out of it for radio play. On SA, they should have chosen 'Business Woman' - sure, an ordinary song, but just right for commercial radio. Better yet, they should have released 'Time Being' - if they had, I reckon it would have made the top ten in the States. Instead 'they' (I suspect Arista) played safe and doomed SA to oblivion. People should be shot for this. Bill, if you're still on this list (which I doubt) can I suggest that if SA doesn't do too well, that Arista release SE on its own in a few months, with TB as the single? 4. Does anyone have any info on how SA is doing, saleswise and chartwise? Here in New Zealand copies with the bonus album are plentiful, but no-one is buying. 5. I would like to place a review of SA in the student paper here, but I know that left to my own devices I would go overboard. Has anyone got a good review I could use? Time to party... John From nowayout@netcom.com Sat Jul 16 11:14 PDT 1994 From: "T.A. Davenport" Subject: Marty Sighting Went to see former Bangle Susanna Hoffs play last night at McCabe's Guitar Shop in Santa Monica, CA... and none other than Marty showed up for the 10:30 show (I was seeing both the early and late shows with a big Hoffs fan/friend who was visiting from out of town). I was speechless (a rare event, indeed! ) I didn't get a chance to talk with him (while people weren't mobbing him or anything like that, he was constantly surrounded by a small group whom he was talking to, and I felt bad at the thought of interrupting)... though I did give him a smile of recognition as I passed by and he smiled back. Shortly thereafter, he went upstairs to the VIP section to hobnob with the Hoffs entourage... I found this whole scene very interesting. I have always, over the years, seen Michael Steele (former Bangles bassist) at L.A.-area Church gigs, but never Susanna. Maybe they are planning on working together or something?! (you know, I'm sure Marty needs yet another project to occupy his "spare" time ;) ) td From powell@Kodak.COM Sat Jul 16 16:43 PDT 1994 From: "Richard W. Powell x71123/ESD/8-23-KP" Reply-To: "Richard W. Powell x71123/ESD/8-23-KP" Subject: RS Article I'm back, but the vacation wasn't long enough. I've attached another old church related article. - see ya, Dick *********************************************************** Publisher: Rolling Stone Magazine (New York, USA) Issue: No.526 Date: May, 1988 *********************************************************** IN THIS ISSUE THE CHURCH BY MARK COLEMAN With Starfish, these latter-day hippies from down under are on their way to guitar heaven. MUSIC ON THE CHARTS KEEPING FAITH WITH THE CHURCH AUSTRALIA'S NEO-PSYCHEDELIC BAND COMES OF AGE BY MARK COLEMAN "Taking acid can be an important thing in understanding the kinds of lyrics I write," says Steven Kilbey, bassist and lead singer for the Australian quartet the Church. Bet it's been a while since you've heard that one. It's fair to say that the Church is made up of latter-day hippies. It must be added, however, that they're hippies with a mission - disciplined hippies. How else could the Australian band have survived eight years, six albums and three record companies with its spirit intact? That spirit is not merely intact; it's flowering. Starfish, the band's first album in two years, is something of a break-through. Sure it's selling briskly, but more important, Starfish comes closer to capturing the indescribable psychedelic buzz of the Church's live sound than any of the records that preceded it. "There's a certain kind of otherworldliness we try to achieve in our songs," says Marty Willson-Piper, one of the group's two guitarists. Fellow guitarist Peter Koppes adds, "Sometimes all four of us will be playing different passages of music, and we'll stumble upon something we really like. So we'll stop and record it. And then sometimes the others will be playing while one person rolls joints." Despite its members' long hair, paisley shirts and regulation denim, the Church is not some fashionable throwback. "We've tried to take a bit of everything," Kilbey says, acknowledging the Sixties influence. "But it wasn't a conscious plan: 'Let's get a group together and take a bit of everything.'" Formed in Sydney in 1980, the Church added drummer Richard Ploog to its lineup a year later. The band has been nurtured by Australia's remarkably diverse and active music scene, but its members don't cotton to the usual questions about their currently fashionable homeland. "I don't think Australia has much to do with our music," says Kilbey. "We've had a few lucky breaks there, and a few unlucky ones too." The Church's recordings have been similarly spotty. By Kilbey's own assessment, the band's first album, Of Skins and Heart, released in 1981, was "so-so," although he considers 1982's Blurred Crusade and 1983's Seance accurate reflections of the band's musical style. He dismisses most of the songs on 1984's Remote Luxury but likes the group's fifth album, Heyday, released in 1986. "We got back on track for Heyday," he says. Kilbey says that most of the group's albums have a "unifying concept," and on Starfish it's travel. That concept - despite the clarity and force of Kilbey's vocals and the vivid, feverish imagery of his lyrics - is somewhat elusive, even after repeated listenings. But there is no doubt as to the real theme behind Starfish: guitar power, and plenty of it. "The electric guitar is the most expressive instrument there is," declares Kilbey. "All those keyboards, horns and strings have ruined our records in the past." "When we've recorded in the past, the harmonic interplay between the guitars would sound like cellos and violins," says Koppes "So we'd go and get the actual cellos and put them on. This time we deliberately said we weren't going to do that." The truly impressive thing about Starfish is that the damn thing still sounds as if it had keyboards, horns and strings. But Willson-Piper still feels there's something lacking on the album. "You know what that is?" he says. "That thing we have live, that thing that is so there but isn't on the records? It's the atmosphere of being there. You can't do that with a bloody piece of vinyl in your front room!" The Church is certainly a band with visual impact: on-stage, Koppes stands nearly immobile while Willson-Piper gyrates like a top. Both are masters of distortion and feedback. They create symphonies of noise by utilizing every inch of their guitars, twisting knobs and whacking pickups for effect. Kilbey stands between the two, figuratively and literally; he's looser than Koppes but less gymnastic than Willson-Piper. And his vocals, strengthened by Ploog's insistent beat, cut like a beacon through the guitarists purple haze. "What's wrong with music that's mind expanding?" asks Koppes. "You have to be disciplined to achieve that." ***END*** From 213170596@UCIS.VILL.EDU Sun Jul 17 13:41 PDT 1994 From: 213170596@UCIS.VILL.EDU (timB) Subject: fave bands?/musings Gee, great, now that I know every ones favo(u)rite bands, I can really die fullfilled. 20 or so mailings of band lists is NOT interesting. Although, while skimming, many DID mention Robyn Hitchcock. Very interesting. which could be explained either by: a: that whole Rickenbacker thing. (while also incorporating REM being listed as more than a few people's favorites) b: the fact that Steve Kilbey and Robyn are actually the same person. don't believe me? the inside cover pics on SA reveal otherwise. (either that or Steve is Don Henley, in which case, we'd be in trouble....) well,.....think very young-but-post-Soft-Boys Robyn. -timB p.s. if there is a _worse_ band than Counting Crows, I haven't heard them. From nowayout@netcom.com Sun Jul 17 14:10 PDT 1994 From: "T.A. Davenport" Subject: Marty Sighting Went to see former Bangle Susanna Hoffs play Friday night at McCabe's Guitar Shop in Santa Monica, CA... and none other than Marty showed up for the 10:30 show (I was seeing both the early and late shows with a big Hoffs fan/friend who was visiting from out of town). I was speechless (a rare event, indeed! ) I didn't get a chance to talk with him (while people weren't mobbing him or anything like that, he was constantly surrounded by a small group whom he was talking to, and I felt bad at the thought of interrupting)... though I did give him a smile of recognition as I passed by and he smiled back. Shortly thereafter, he went upstairs to the VIP section to hobnob with the Hoffs entourage... I found this whole scene very interesting. I have always, over the years, seen Michael Steele (former Bangles bassist) at L.A.-area Church gigs, but never Susanna. Maybe they are planning on working together or something?! (you know, I'm sure Marty needs yet another project to occupy his "spare" time ;) ) td From gsa@panix.com Sun Jul 17 15:27 PDT 1994 From: Gary Assa Subject: tour? I was told there IS going to be an August tour, but I did not read it here. Did I miss it, or was this a lie? Also, can someone please post that 800 number so I could see what they have to say? --------------------------------------------------- 1. Earth is 98% full. Please delete anyone you can. 2. I came, I saw, I deleted all your files. 3. The world will end in 5 minutes. Please log out. From powell@Kodak.COM Mon Jul 18 07:00 PDT 1994 From: "Richard W. Powell x71123/ESD/8-23-KP" Reply-To: "Richard W. Powell x71123/ESD/8-23-KP" Subject: reply: AUS vs US artwork The artwork on my US version of the SE/SE discs "sounds" almost identical to the AUS versions except that the colors of both discs are reversed (purple bugs & orange balloons). Ahh, but Arista went the extra mile for us - we got 3 color printing with the numbers in Disc 1 & Disk 2 being printed in BLACK! - Dick From powell@Kodak.COM Mon Jul 18 07:04 PDT 1994 From: "Richard W. Powell x71123/ESD/8-23-KP" Reply-To: "Richard W. Powell x71123/ESD/8-23-KP" Subject: artist list ************************************************************ WARNING: This message includes an artist list. If this does not interest you, delete this message now! ************************************************************ I've enjoyed reading the lists of favorite artists. I'm always looking for something new to listen to, but in upstate New York, radio is either extremely 'alternative' or 'classic rock'. No one simply plays 'music', so often I end up just playing my own tapes. If I see that someone with similar tastes in music likes "Harry & The Hotdogs", I might keep an ear open for that artist. - have fun, Dick --------------------------------- Artists that annoy me: Boston (who did these guys pay off?) Matt and I recently exchanged faves. I said then that I liked just about everything, or at least a little of all types. Other than Church/Kilbey stuff, my time-tested favorites include: Echo And The Bunneymen Ian Mcculloch Neil Young Pete Townshend Tom Petty REM More: Brian Ferry Lindsey Buckingham Julian Cope The Cure Peter Gabriel House Of Love The La's The Plimsouls/P.Case The Stone Roses The Psychedelic Furs Roxy Music Todd Rundgren Tears For Fears Other lists jolted me into adding these 'how can I forget...' current or one time favorites: The Curve The Police Sting David Bowie Mott The Hoople Yardbirds Bob Dylan Pink Floyd (early) Syd Barrett Pretenders Dire Straits Jethro Tull (early) U2 Rain Parade Stan Ridgeway Gene Loves Jezebel The Doors CSNY Moody Blues (Hayward) Joe Jackson The Alarm Edith Grove Paul Rodgers (Free, Bad Co., etc...) Simple Minds Jefferson Airplane The Who Susan: you and I probably have very similar taste in music but I can't help but like Gene Loves Jezebel. Playing before Echo And The Bunnymen & New Order, they were part of what has to be at least the 2nd best evening of music I've ever seen. From matthew.blair@afrc.ac.uk Mon Jul 18 08:05 PDT 1994 Content-Identifier: 118793F01B00 From: BLAIRM Subject: random thought(s) Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Hi everyone, Just thought I'd write a quick note with nothing much to say, just to say 'I had a great weekend'. It was sunny and I went to the zoo. Great fun. Just like being a kid again. Anyway onto a church-related thought. I was listening to MWP's Melancholy God when I suddenly started singing Disapointment from GAF. Is is just me, or do these songs sound similar ? Also MWP's Adelle Evoynne (I've just completely forgotten how to spell, damn) reminds of Melancholy God, tho' not Disapointment. Strange, huh ? I'm also still madly in love with (Julianne Regan...no,no behaveyourself Mr Blair !) All About Eve's 'Freida of Blood And Gold'. I highly recommend *all* of AAE's 12"s (esp MWP-era). Another thought...Since MWP played with AAE, and I beleive he's still working with the guys (tho' not Julianne.... sob, sob) *and* I believe AAEs bass player now plays for The Mission (UK), is there any chance that MWP is the mystery guitar player for the Mish ? No-one seems to know who is playing guitar, but from what I can gather the description sounds like that of Marty. I know is probably just a forlorne dream, but I can hope can't I ? Two of my fav. 12-stringers in the same band !! too cool to even think about !! Well I think I'd better go and cool down now. Not only is it sunny outside for a change, but I'm getting all hot and flustered thinking about Julianne Regan drool drool. MAtt. From vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu Mon Jul 18 08:47 PDT 1994 via MS.5.6.pcs21.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4c_411; From: Vernon H Harmon Receipt Notification Requested) (IPM Return Requested) Subject: Re: random thought(s) >*and* I believe AAEs bass player now plays for The Mission (UK), is >there any chance that MWP is the mystery guitar player for the Mish ? Uh, no way. Unless the Mission has released an album since Masque. I have Masque and although it is a good album, I can't detect any traces of Marty on it. It's got some nice guitar work on it, don't get me wrong! But it's not Marty-esque at all. The border of symbols on SA/SE's cover, does remind me of the border of symbols on the Mission's "Grains of Sand" release (as an interesting sidenote :D). --Vernon...the Church and the Mission....o my! I feel religious. From vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu Mon Jul 18 08:52 PDT 1994 via MS.5.6.pcs21.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4c_411; From: Vernon H Harmon Subject: Re: MWP singles Hmm. I just got Marty's CD3 for "She's King" (thanks Paul!). I love the songs on here! Are they representative of _Art_Attack_? If they are then I'm gonna have to track it down (I've never even *seen* it before!). Thanks. --Vernon. From john.brownosullivan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Mon Jul 18 16:43 PDT 1994 X-Sender: ou005076@brandywine.otago.ac.nz From: john.brownosullivan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (John Brown-O'Sullivan) Subject: design error I seem to be having some trouble sending mail to the mailer at the moment. Can someone attach a little note to anything they send to Seance, acknowledging seeing this? John From mori0019@gold.tc.umn.edu Mon Jul 18 17:07 PDT 1994 From: Keith K Morioka Subject: Re: design error Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM John, I got it.... Later, Keith On Tue, 19 Jul 1994, John Brown-O'Sullivan wrote: > I seem to be having some trouble sending mail to the mailer at the moment. > Can someone attach a little note to anything they send to Seance, > acknowledging seeing this? > > John > > From vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu Mon Jul 18 17:15 PDT 1994 via MS.5.6.pcs13.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4c_411; From: Vernon H Harmon Subject: Re: design error >Can someone attach a little note to anything they send to Seance, >acknowledging seeing this? It got through. --Vernon. From nowayout@netcom.com Mon Jul 18 20:21 PDT 1994 From: "T.A. Davenport" Subject: Marty Sighting Went to see former Bangle Susanna Hoffs play Friday night at McCabe's Guitar Shop in Santa Monica, CA... and none other than Marty showed up for the 10:30 show (I was seeing both the early and late shows with a big Hoffs fan/friend who was visiting from out of town). I was speechless (a rare event, indeed! ) I didn't get a chance to talk with him (while people weren't mobbing him or anything like that, he was constantly surrounded by a small group whom he was talking to, and I felt bad at the thought of interrupting)... though I did give him a smile of recognition as I passed by and he smiled back. Shortly thereafter, he went upstairs to the VIP section to hobnob with the Hoffs entourage... I found this whole scene very interesting. I have always, over the years, seen Michael Steele (former Bangles bassist) at L.A.-area Church gigs, but never Susanna. Maybe they are planning on working together or something?! (you know, I'm sure Marty needs yet another project to occupy his "spare" time ;) ) td From BSmith@VCOMTELC.TELECOM.com.au Mon Jul 18 21:35 PDT 1994 From: "Smith, Brian" Subject: The two little Indian boys on the cover of SA A friend of mine who speaks Indian tells me that the writing under the picture of two Indian boys (just above the orange title banner) means "Do Bai" or "Two Brothers". If that ain't symbolic, I don't know what is ! I'd say, offhand, that Steve is the brother on the left. Minor Query: Anyone know why on P=A, Steve is credited as "Steven Kilbey" ? Is this a mistake ? He's never been listed that way before. Brian Smith From john.brownosullivan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Mon Jul 18 22:33 PDT 1994 X-Sender: ou005076@brandywine.otago.ac.nz From: john.brownosullivan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (John Brown-O'Sullivan) Subject: Sound & Image magazine July/August (1992) interview In part two of the Sound & Image magazine July/August (1992) interview, Steve said that the Disillusionist was based on an encounter with 'a guy [who] came up to me waving a magazine interview I'd done a month or two disillusioning people. Well you sure disillusioned me !" I came up with this great idea of a man going from twon to town, disillusioning people.' Does anyone have that interview? John From matthew.blair@afrc.ac.uk Tue Jul 19 01:14 PDT 1994 Content-Identifier: 11879A460B00 From: BLAIRM Subject: re: random thought(s) Sensitivity: Company-Confidential I know it's not strictly church, but re: my random thoughts. The mish don't have a new album out as yet, tho thay have released new material since (the truly dreadful) Masque. The reason I was fanasizing about Marty joining was because when the mish played 'Tower of Strength' (remix) on Top Of The Pops their geetar player fitted Marty's description. Since, they've then done gigs where no-one has known who the other guitarist is. I mean, who would ever have dreamed of seeing MWP playing guitar for AAE ? *AND* appearing on Top Of The Pops !! And since AAE had such a good relationship with the mish....well we can dream can't we ? LAter... Matt. From 21922SM@MSU.EDU Tue Jul 19 04:46 PDT 1994 Tue, 19 Jul 94 07:48:13 EDT From: "Scott.Mikusko" <21922SM@msu.edu> Subject: Marty Sighting This is the third time I've seen this posting. I get the point! :-) -Scott From powell@Kodak.COM Tue Jul 19 06:11 PDT 1994 From: "Richard W. Powell x71123/ESD/8-23-KP" Reply-To: "Richard W. Powell x71123/ESD/8-23-KP" Subject: Re: MWP singles > Hmm. I just got Marty's CD3 for "She's King" (thanks Paul!). > I love the songs on here! Are they representative of _Art_Attack_? > --Vernon. In my humble opinion: Of the first 13 songs, half are OK, the the others are mostly noise. One of the songs is downright horrible - I think its called "Words". The CD includes 6 bonus tracks from Marty's "In Reflection" album. I like these the best. The bottom line: Since you already like the Church & you really like the "She's King" CD3 --- I think you *absolutely* MUST get "Art Attack"! (...and let me know what you think!) - enjoy, Dick From MADHOUSE94@aol.com Tue Jul 19 07:23 PDT 1994 From: MADHOUSE94@aol.com Sender: "MADHOUSE94" Subject: Bill's still here John, I am still here :) Bill From nowayout@netcom.com Tue Jul 19 07:29 PDT 1994 From: "T.A. Davenport" Subject: Re: Marty Sighting On Tue, 19 Jul 1994, Scott.Mikusko wrote: > This is the third time I've seen this posting. I get the point! :-) My complete and profuse apologies to everyone! I kept getting it kicked back to my mailbox with "Undeliverable"- type mega-gunk attached to it, so I assumed I was having trouble with the list and, therefore, made the attempts to re-post. I have no idea why I didn't receive a clean copy like everyone else, but do not fear, this will NOT happen again. Sorrysorrysorrysorrysorrysorrysorrysorry td (with head hanging in shame) From vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu Tue Jul 19 08:07 PDT 1994 via MS.5.6.pcs15.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4c_411; From: Vernon H Harmon Subject: Re: Bill's still here >I am still here :) Yay! :) I've got a question for ya, Bill. Are you here only as a rep of Arista, or are you also a fan of the Church? Sorry if this puts you on the spot, but I was just wondering. :) --Vernon. From MADHOUSE94@aol.com Tue Jul 19 12:02 PDT 1994 From: MADHOUSE94@aol.com Sender: "MADHOUSE94" Subject: Re: Bill's still here Vernon, I am here as an Arista Rep and a fan of The Church. If I was not a fan, I don't think I could have read ALL that mail from the list. It has been very interesting to read all the posts from a fan's perspective as well as from Arista's perspective. Bill From vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu Tue Jul 19 12:36 PDT 1994 via MS.5.6.pcs10.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4c_411; From: Vernon H Harmon Subject: Re: Bill's still here >I am here as an Arista Rep and a fan of The Church. If I was not a fan, >I don't think I could have read ALL that mail from the list. It has been >very interesting to read all the posts from a fan's perspective as well >as from Arista's perspective. Heh. I'll bet. That's good to know. So, as a fan, how do you rate the Church's albums? :) hehe --Vernon, trouble-maker extraordinaire! }:> From MADHOUSE94@aol.com Tue Jul 19 14:13 PDT 1994 From: MADHOUSE94@aol.com Sender: "MADHOUSE94" Subject: Re: Bill's still here Vernon, My favorite is Seance....and I think the SA/SE two pack is a great record. What do you think the next single should be and why?? Bill From BSmith@VCOMTELC.TELECOM.com.au Tue Jul 19 18:49 PDT 1994 From: "Smith, Brian" Subject: Re: Bill's still here > My favorite is Seance....and I think the SA/SE two pack is a great record. > What do you think the next single should be and why?? > > Bill > Day of the Dead, with some UNRELEASED TRACKS for B-sides, or the fans (IMHO) won't buy it. Or Business Woman, because that's radio-friendly and lots of executives would buy it for their high-powered female colleagues :) Brian From s3brow@sanger.otago.ac.nz Wed Jul 20 02:55 PDT 1994 From: "John Brown-O'Sullivan" Sender: "John Brown-O'Sullivan" Reply-To: "John Brown-O'Sullivan" Subject: 'Critic' (student rag) review of SA and SE At last I have an article to provide... Here it is, hot off the pages of 'Critic', the Otago University Students Association mag. SOMETIME ANYWHERE The Church White Records The Church are back with a new album. And no, by this I do not mean the St John's Church choir has released another album of all your favourite hymns. The Church are an Australian rock (very loose use of the word) who have put out a number of jolly good albums. When some bands release albums you don't get a lot of music for your money (a lot of "dollar-a-minute" hardcore bands spring to mind). The Church give you two albums in this package: Sometime Anywhere (which goes for an hour and a quarter) as well as a seven track bonus album entitled Somewhere Else (another half an hour). Wow! Somewhere Anytime is what I would describe as a relaxing, laid back album. There are a lot of atmospheric, sort of ambient instruments here. Great passive listening. If I had to compare these to another band I'd try Pink Floyd. The non-instrumental, lyrical songs are also very good. They are also very atmospheric, almost light industrial in places. Perhaps this would be what Ministry would sound like if Mr Jourgensen had a happier, more peaceful childhood. Seventy-five minutes of pure-relaxing bliss. Next up Somewhere Else. This is a slightly different fish of kettle. This contains seven songs recorded in different places round the world at different times. These are a lot more rockier than those on Sometime. I still wouldn't describe The Church as a "kick arse rock 'n' roll band" (thankfully!) Some of these songs, vocally, remind me of Mr Bono Vox from U2. Another distinction between the two disks is that this contains no instrumentals. This is a big plus in my book as the listener can choose the style/type of music to suit their mood. Overall: a very good album with a bonus disk that thankfully isn't "more of the same" but has some very good songs on it. Seven out of ten. Barry copied without apology by me! My points: 1. 7 out of 10 cheapens it! 2. SA is not full of instrumentals - it has one, as does SE. 3. Pink Floyd suck, and so do Ministry. 4. So do U2! 5. There was even a picture of the album cover, which I think is lousy. Give me the P=A cover any day. p.s. I can't believe there are poor deluded fools out there who wish MWP was the new guitarist for the mission! I used to think the mission were as good (maybe) as the church, on the basis of one hearing of 'Wasteland'. Then I listened to 'Carved in Sand', and that diabolical 'Sum & Substance' (or whatever) and I realised that they are one of the worst bands ever. Wayne Hussey's voice is atrocious, his lyrics more so and the music reeks. I can imagine MWP helping, mainly because he doesn't seem too choosy about who he plays with as long as it gives him more publicity, but I believe that SK would run a country mile before ever having anything to do with that pack of British bastards. p.p.s. and what good has Britain ever given the world? nothing! least of all musically. John From s3brow@sanger.otago.ac.nz Wed Jul 20 03:01 PDT 1994 From: "John Brown-O'Sullivan" Subject: 'Critic' (student rag) review of SA and SE (fwd) At last I have an article to provide... Here it is, hot off the pages of 'Critic', the Otago University Students Association mag. SOMETIME ANYWHERE The Church White Records The Church are back with a new album. And no, by this I do not mean the St John's Church choir has released another album of all your favourite hymns. The Church are an Australian rock (very loose use of the word) who have put out a number of jolly good albums. When some bands release albums you don't get a lot of music for your money (a lot of "dollar-a-minute" hardcore bands spring to mind). The Church give you two albums in this package: Sometime Anywhere (which goes for an hour and a quarter) as well as a seven track bonus album entitled Somewhere Else (another half an hour). Wow! Somewhere Anytime is what I would describe as a relaxing, laid back album. There are a lot of atmospheric, sort of ambient instruments here. Great passive listening. If I had to compare these to another band I'd try Pink Floyd. The non-instrumental, lyrical songs are also very good. They are also very atmospheric, almost light industrial in places. Perhaps this would be what Ministry would sound like if Mr Jourgensen had a happier, more peaceful childhood. Seventy-five minutes of pure-relaxing bliss. Next up Somewhere Else. This is a slightly different fish of kettle. This contains seven songs recorded in different places round the world at different times. These are a lot more rockier than those on Sometime. I still wouldn't describe The Church as a "kick arse rock 'n' roll band" (thankfully!) Some of these songs, vocally, remind me of Mr Bono Vox from U2. Another distinction between the two disks is that this contains no instrumentals. This is a big plus in my book as the listener can choose the style/type of music to suit their mood. Overall: a very good album with a bonus disk that thankfully isn't "more of the same" but has some very good songs on it. Seven out of ten. Barry copied without apology by me! My points: 1. 7 out of 10 cheapens it! 2. SA is not full of instrumentals - it has one, as does SE. 3. Pink Floyd suck, and so do Ministry. 4. So do U2! 5. There was even a picture of the album cover, which I think is lousy. Give me the P=A cover any day. p.s. I can't believe there are poor deluded fools out there who wish MWP was the new guitarist for the mission! I used to think the mission were as good (maybe) as the church, on the basis of one hearing of 'Wasteland'. Then I listened to 'Carved in Sand', and that diabolical 'Sum & Substance' (or whatever) and I realised that they are one of the worst bands ever. Wayne Hussey's voice is atrocious, his lyrics more so and the music reeks. I can imagine MWP helping, mainly because he doesn't seem too choosy about who he plays with as long as it gives him more publicity, but I believe that SK would run a country mile before ever having anything to do with that pack of British bastards. p.p.s. and what good has Britain ever given the world? nothing! least of all musically. John From matthew.blair@afrc.ac.uk Wed Jul 20 03:38 PDT 1994 Content-Identifier: 1187A2E61700 From: BLAIRM Subject: flame Sensitivity: Company-Confidential John Brown-O'Sullivan writes: >3. Pink Floyd suck, and so do Ministry. >4. So do U2! Don't know much Pink Floyd, and no Ministry at all, so I can't comment. U2 suck ? Even though I'm not a huge fan, I don't think so. >p.s. I can't believe there are poor deluded fools out there who wish MWP >was the new guitarist for the mission!.....blah blah blah I promised myself I wouldn't rise to the bait, but that promise lasted all of 5 mins ! John, if all your comments are as self-opinionated, then I guess its probably a good thing you've not posted for a while. hehehe...sorry, I just don't like being called a 'poor deluded fool', and if you read my original message, it was just a random thought, trying to get away from lists of fav bands etc. >Then I listened to 'Carved in Sand', and that diabolical 'Sum & Substance' >(or whatever) and I realised that they are one of the worst bands ever. Ok, I'm the 1st to admit that Wayne's not the greatest singer, but then I've also heard that comment from non-church fans about SK's voice. If you don't like the mish, nobobdy's asking you to listen to them, and if you did listen to those albums you mentioned then more fool you for listening to a band you so obviously despise. >that SK would run a country mile before ever having anything to do with >that pack of British bastards. Who mentioned SK, in connection with the mish ? Not me. > and what good has Britain ever given the world? nothing! least of > all musically. Marty Willson-Piper !! He's from Liverpool originally. hehehe ;-) Well that's enough from me. Apologies to all those innocent by-standers out there, but I just had to retaliate once. As far as I'm concerned, it's now become a non-church issue, and as such the topic should now be dropped. Matt. :-) From john.brownosullivan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Wed Jul 20 03:46 PDT 1994 X-Sender: ou005076@brandywine.otago.ac.nz From: john.brownosullivan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (John Brown-O'Sullivan) Subject: 'Critic' (student rag) review of SA and SE OK, you may have seen this before but I have 2 email accounts, I typed this out on the first and sent it but it bounced back (3 times) so I pasted it into this one and will try again. Can anyone tell me if they did get this from 's3brow'? At last I have an article to provide... Here it is, hot off the pages of 'Critic', the Otago University Students Association mag. SOMETIME ANYWHERE The Church White Records The Church are back with a new album. And no, by this I do not mean the St John's Church choir has released another album of all your favourite hymns. The Church are an Australian rock (very loose use of the word) who have put out a number of jolly good albums. When some bands release albums you don't get a lot of music for your money (a lot of "dollar-a-minute" hardcore bands spring to mind). The Church give you two albums in this package: Sometime Anywhere (which goes for an hour and a quarter) as well as a seven track bonus album entitled Somewhere Else (another half an hour). Wow! Somewhere Anytime is what I would describe as a relaxing, laid back album. There are a lot of atmospheric, sort of ambient instruments here. Great passive listening. If I had to compare these to another band I'd try Pink Floyd. The non-instrumental, lyrical songs are also very good. They are also very atmospheric, almost light industrial in places. Perhaps this would be what Ministry would sound like if Mr Jourgensen had a happier, more peaceful childhood. Seventy-five minutes of pure-relaxing bliss. Next up Somewhere Else. This is a slightly different fish of kettle. This contains seven songs recorded in different places round the world at different times. These are a lot more rockier than those on Sometime. I still wouldn't describe The Church as a "kick arse rock 'n' roll band" (thankfully!) Some of these songs, vocally, remind me of Mr Bono Vox from U2. Another distinction between the two disks is that this contains no instrumentals. This is a big plus in my book as the listener can choose the style/type of music to suit their mood. Overall: a very good album with a bonus disk that thankfully isn't "more of the same" but has some very good songs on it. Seven out of ten. Barry copied without apology by me! My points: 1. 7 out of 10 cheapens it! 2. SA is not full of instrumentals - it has one, as does SE. 3. Pink Floyd suck, and so do Ministry. 4. So do U2! 5. There was even a picture of the album cover, which I think is lousy. Give me the P=A cover any day. p.s. I can't believe there are poor deluded fools out there who wish MWP was the new guitarist for the mission! I used to think the mission were as good (maybe) as the church, on the basis of one hearing of 'Wasteland'. Then I listened to 'Carved in Sand', and that diabolical 'Sum & Substance' (or whatever) and I realised that they are one of the worst bands ever. Wayne Hussey's voice is atrocious, his lyrics more so and the music reeks. I can imagine MWP helping, mainly because he doesn't seem too choosy about who he plays with as long as it gives him more publicity, but I believe that SK would run a country mile before ever having anything to do with that pack of British bastards. p.p.s. and what good has Britain ever given the world? nothing! least of all musically. John From powell@Kodak.COM Wed Jul 20 06:51 PDT 1994 From: "Richard W. Powell x71123/ESD/8-23-KP" Reply-To: "Richard W. Powell x71123/ESD/8-23-KP" Subject: Re: 'Critic' (student rag) review of SA and SE (fwd) John 'from NZ' - You've got to get out more. - have a good one, Dick From 21922SM@MSU.EDU Wed Jul 20 07:16 PDT 1994 Wed, 20 Jul 94 10:18:28 EDT From: "Scott.Mikusko" <21922SM@msu.edu> Subject: 'Critic' (student rag) review of Uh, what good has Britain given? Marty Willson-Piper is British. Res ipsa loquitur. -Scott From mosk Wed Jul 20 08:41 PDT 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: Marty Sighting > From nowayout@netcom.com Tue Jul 19 07:29:52 1994 > > This is the third time I've seen this posting. I get the point! :-) > > My complete and profuse apologies to everyone! I kept getting it kicked > back to my mailbox with "Undeliverable"- type mega-gunk attached to it, > > td (with head hanging in shame) I'll take part of the blame here.... The list is appaerantly not set up like a "real" list, so the error msgs are returned to sender (you) instead of owner (me). mrg has sent me instructions on how to set it up, which I played around with this morning but couldn't get to work... My apologies if you saw some noise when trying to post this last hour... I've set it back to the way it was (and mostly works fine). I will do some more testing when I get back from vacation. -morten From mosk Wed Jul 20 08:54 PDT 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: 'Critic' (student rag) review of SA and SE > From s3brow@sanger.otago.ac.nz Wed Jul 20 02:55:04 1994 > p.p.s. and what good has Britain ever given the world? nothing! least of > all musically. > > John Are you out to provoke, or is this the first time you decended onto this planet??? Damned aliens.... :-) -m From matthew.blair@afrc.ac.uk Wed Jul 20 09:05 PDT 1994 Content-Identifier: 1187A43B0A00 From: BLAIRM Subject: re: marty sighting, and flame Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Tracy, don't worry about those giant messages you receive with horrible bits about 'undeliverable'. I get those too, and the 1st time I saw them I panicked thinking no-one was getting my mail. Don't worry we are receiving them. Dick, I don't know of any reason why John should be resent Great Britain, other than English people live there. OOOOHHHHH!!! sorry just a tasteless joke from a Scotsman. If anybody knows better, I'd like to know. Maybe he's just jealous. hehehehe Well, I'm going home now, and will be playing P=A *VERY* loud in my car. Yeah ! Coooool !!! Latter, Matt. PS, John, lighten up man. From 213170596@UCIS.VILL.EDU Wed Jul 20 13:43 PDT 1994 From: 213170596@UCIS.VILL.EDU (timB) Subject: next single Well, I think I'm a little late here, since supposedly this is a done deal, but first, Loveblind is the worst track on both of the newbies, so that's not a real good choice for the second single. Second, Day of the Dead is an excellent OPENING track for an album of this sort, but does not stand well on its own. Similarily, if this song was put anywhere else on the album, it would nerly be a throwaway track. Don't get me wrong, its cool and all, but its utter tunelessness is very unsettling while still not turning you off so you turn the album off. Its more like a lure. It fails without the rest of the album. Those of you familiar with the new Afghan Whigs album should know what I'm talking about. The opening track is very unsettling. It works only in the context of the rest of the album. Really though, this is a good thing, I mean, the Afghan Whigs made it into the best album of the last 10 years (no, I'm not kidding). Then again, I don't think SA is too shabby either. Anyway, my choices would be The Time Being (can be go into SE? Is that legal?), the Myths You Made, or maybe even Authority. Really though, any song would be pretty good because NONE of these songs sound like anything thats being played on college radio these days. +++++ timB+ +++++ From pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Wed Jul 20 14:31 PDT 1994 From: pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Subject: MWP cover art Not to distract attention from the personal jabs, which are very entertaining, but i wanted to mention something Marty said in an interview that i thought was kind of odd. In the KCRW Snap interview (copies of which are floating around the list) from 1988, Marty was talking about "Art Attack". He said that putting his picture on the cover of the album was totally out of character for him. Huh? Lets see, he's done 4 albums, and unless my eyes deceive me, that's his picture on every one of them! So far, only the "Luscious Ghost" CD single has NOT had his picture on it. Granted, at the time of the interview he had only done 1 other album, but "In Reflection" certainly has his face across the cover. Is this important? No. Is it interesting? Probably not. Does it beat a favorite band list? Definately. (BTW, glad to see Not Drowning, Waving in a few of those, but no mention of the Hoodoo Gurus? Have you people no taste?) Now that I'm in ramble mode, what if Steve or Marty was actually tuned in to this list, operating under a false name? You know, Bill seems to know an awful lot about their movements, even for a record company guy, and what about Brian at Telecom? with home phone numbers and calling plans? Hmmmm........... -paul From hosaka!mrg@yarrina.connect.com.au Wed Jul 20 17:21 PDT 1994 Subject: loveblind..and other associated junk.. From: matthew green one of the "alternative" radio stations here had sometime, anywhere as it's `feature' album last week or the week before. normally, they don't play anything from it after this week, but last night when i got home, i thought my housemate was playing sometime, anywhere, as loveblind was on the stereo.. he informed me that it was on the radio (tripple j) ..and that they had been playing a fair bit of the album since that "week". i don't listen to the radio normally, so i wouldn't really know, but it seems pretty good that they are playing it a lot.. there was also an interview with steve in this weeks `beat' magazine, where mr anthony horan works, but it wasn't done by anthony (i'm sure he's not real happy about that ;).. it was very good. the best quote from it (i don't have time to type it all in just yet..) would have to be .. "if anybody arrived from another planet and said `what do you do?', i'd give 'em this album. that just about sums it all up... everything i ever did led to this album and, you know, i know the next one is going to be 100% better, but for the time being i'm happy for this record to represent everything i've done".. i can't say that his comments surprise me. the more i play sometime, anywhere, and somewhere else, the more i love it. there isn't a song i don't like now. i even like the "mornings come as mornings do, i had a shave it was close to, a close shave", and i like it a lot. it makes me laugh (though, maybe because it *isn't* liked elsewhere..). it took me a fair while to get in to the album - at first only day of the dead did anything for me, and it was at least a week of heavy playing (i didn't play anything else) before i started to *really* enjoy it (i was able to play it that much because it just sat there and was pleasant - but nothing else). now i'm looking forward to having my portable cd player (i pick it up on monday) at work so i can play it all day long, just like mr. smith .. ;-) maybe later today i'll type up the whole interview/story. i really enjoyed reading it, and i guess some of you will too. .mrg. From gsa@panix.com Wed Jul 20 17:41 PDT 1994 From: Gary Assa Subject: Re: Marty Sighting Cc: Church Mailing List > > > This is the third time I've seen this posting. I get the point! :-) > > My complete and profuse apologies to everyone! I kept getting it kicked > back to my mailbox with "Undeliverable"- type mega-gunk attached to it, > so I assumed I was having trouble with the list and, therefore, made the > attempts to re-post. This is NOT an error. This means that someone on the list is no longer reachable, and you get a message back telling you this. EVERYONE who posts will get a bounce-back. From matthewk@postoffice.utas.edu.au Wed Jul 20 18:20 PDT 1994 From: "'Matthew Kirkcaldie'" Subject: UK? What have the UK ever given music? Just the two current members of what this list is all about... Matthew. From BSmith@VCOMTELC.TELECOM.com.au Wed Jul 20 19:21 PDT 1994 From: "Smith, Brian" Subject: RE: 'Critic' (student rag) review of > Uh, what good has Britain given? > > Marty Willson-Piper is British. > As were a certain four piece combo that seemed rather popular at the time, also from Liverpool. From BSmith@VCOMTELC.TELECOM.com.au Wed Jul 20 19:56 PDT 1994 From: "Smith, Brian" Subject: RE: MWP cover art > Now that I'm in ramble mode, what if Steve or Marty was actually > tuned in to this list, operating under a false name? You know, Bill > seems to know an awful lot about their movements, even for a record > company guy, and what about Brian at Telecom? with home phone > numbers and calling plans? Hmmmm........... > > -paul Aarrgh ! I've been rumbled. OK, I really am Steve and have the beard, drug stash and paisley shirt to prove it. I've got some new songs, and for $5 each I'll send you all a tape :). Still, I reckon it'd be cool as liquid hydrogen to get Steve & Co. on the list. For one thing, we could get a DEFINITIVE version of lyrics. Any Sydney area sysops on the list ? Could you set up an account for him ? Or Stockholm sysops could get Marty on. On another topic, does anyone know whatever happened to Nick Price, the first Church drummer ? I've just examined the Hindsight package, which contains a few songs from that first album, and he's not credited ! Isn't that illegal ? Brian "Skilbey on IRC" Smith From U23500@UICVM.UIC.EDU Wed Jul 20 19:58 PDT 1994 From: Mefisto in Onyx Subject: SASE Everybody on this list seems to be so enthusiastic about somewhere else, and not as stoked over sometime anywhere. I personally think that SOMETIME ANYWHERE is far superior to SOMEHWERE ELSE..the mood that SA invokes for 75 minutes is some of the best stuff on CD i have ever heard. this is definitely an album to be taken as a whole, not in pieces, and SE seems to me to be much more fragmented and more doggerel... raj | When inward life dries up, when feeling decreases and apathy increases, | | when one cannot affect or even genuinely touch another person, violence | | flares up as a daimonic necessity for contact, a mad drive forcing contact | | in the most direct way possible. -Rollo May, LOVE AND WILL | | High in the bloody sky, the Deathbird circled. -Harlan Ellison, DEATHBIRD | From bove@goethite.geo.cornell.edu Wed Jul 20 22:43 PDT 1994 From: "Dan Bove" Subject: mission i was excied as all hell when hearing that maybe (very, very naybe) that marty was the guitarist on the last two cuts on the mission's sub&substance. while i might consider sour puss and afterglow as okay tunes (at best, especially afterglow) I can't believe at all that is is marty on guitar (and i played it really, really loud and concentrated). for all the mission critics: they are a pretty cool band, and tell me who would sound better on beyond the pale or deliverance. okay, no flame war intended, but they are just fine the way they are... and as next single i definitely think it should be 'Fly Home' and they should do a really psychodelic video and maybe they'll get played on MTV as Pink Floyd clones (even though they are infinitely superior). Since, I already have the album and could care less about sales and shit (as long as I get to buy the NEXT album, hell, rykodisc would be fine...) it would be nice to see them played 3 times an hour on MTV. the only problem is that i could imagine that the video cut of Fly Home would suck. then again, 90% of the shit on MTV sucks anyway... finally, about marty's face being on every album. the only way i got my sister to listen to heyday (my favorite album, and ive only mentioned this a few times before) is that she thought marty was really cute. and, since i happen think to think that marty's solo albums (at least rhyme and spirit level) are tons better than any of steve's solo albums, what the hell, why not, if some buy the album only because marty's cute, the more albums they sell (solo and collectively) the more albums will be released by them in the future and the more i can eventually buy. --dan From mosk Wed Jul 20 23:31 PDT 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: MWP cover art > From pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Wed Jul 20 14:30:56 1994 > interview that i thought was kind of odd. In the KCRW Snap > interview (copies of which are floating around the list) from 1988, > Marty was talking about "Art Attack". He said that putting his picture > on the cover of the album was totally out of character for him. Huh? > Lets see, he's done 4 albums, and unless my eyes deceive me, that's > his picture on every one of them! So far, only the "Luscious Ghost" > CD single has NOT had his picture on it. Granted, at the time of > the interview he had only done 1 other album, but "In Reflection" > certainly has his face across the cover. > I think what he meant was that the picture itself was different... As far as I know, it's about the only picture of him that you can actually see anything above the nose.... I have always wondered how that man could see the world around him... :-) Also, does he look a little too close to Mick Jones of the Clash on the back of AA? I always think of him when I look at that picture... Maybe that's why I don't like the album that much... Eyebrows _and_ MJ on the same cover....shudder... > Now that I'm in ramble mode, what if Steve or Marty was actually > tuned in to this list, operating under a false name? You know, Bill > seems to know an awful lot about their movements, even for a record > company guy, and what about Brian at Telecom? with home phone > numbers and calling plans? Hmmmm........... > Actually, mrg is the real MWP on this list... Mail from him used to look like this (back in '92): From: Marty Willson-Piper The guts that kid possesses.... :-) Someone on alt.music.alternative also used to have his name as Steve Kilbey.... (Maybe it was one of you??) He used to claim he was the only Church fan in the US. Naturally I had to tweek his ear a bit.... > -paul > -m From mrg@mame.mu.OZ.AU Wed Jul 20 23:48 PDT 1994 Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Subject: Re: MWP cover art <9407210631.AA19694@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM> From: matthew green >Actually, mrg is the real MWP on this list... >Mail from him used to look like this (back in '92): >From: Marty Willson-Piper 92 ? nah, man, that was 91 .. i got my first shipment from you before christmas! ;) >The guts that kid possesses.... :-) i'm amazing. .mrg. From matthewk@postoffice.utas.edu.au Wed Jul 20 23:50 PDT 1994 From: "'Matthew Kirkcaldie'" Subject: Re: MWP cover art Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM On Wed, 20 Jul 1994, Morten Skjefte wrote: > Also, does he look a little too close to Mick Jones of the Clash > on the back of AA? I always think of him when I look at that > picture... Maybe that's why I don't like the album that much... > Eyebrows _and_ MJ on the same cover....shudder... Um, the reason Marty looks so out-of-character on the *back* cover is that that's not him! It's a photo taken by Jean Cocteau, the French film director, in about 1930. Cocteau's "Les Enfants Terribles" (a book) features on MWP's album _Spirit Level_ as well, from memory. Matthew. From s3brow@sanger.otago.ac.nz Wed Jul 20 23:59 PDT 1994 From: "John Brown-O'Sullivan" Sender: "John Brown-O'Sullivan" Reply-To: "John Brown-O'Sullivan" Subject: Church vocals Well, now that the smoke has cleared after I innocently voiced my opinion of a few bands and a land far away, I might start on a few loose ends that have been niggling at me. Any old Church experts out there, if you'd care to respond I would be appreciative. 1. How long has this list been going for? If it has been in operation for years and years, are there any old listmembers' assessments of albums like a quick smoke at spot's, priest=aura, spirit level, phazed etc still floating around? I guess this sounds pretty desperate, it's just that i've found peoples' song-by-song assessments of SA / SE quite interesting, and I'd like to see how songs on some of the other albums fared, esp. P=A. 2. One thing I have always wondered about is how vocals were handled, both on album and live. You see, until '92 I assumed that all the backing vocals on songs like NSE&W, You're Still Beautiful, Aura etc were done by Pete and Marty, or at least Marty. I even thought that the high, beautiful vocal on Unguarded Moment was courtesy of Marty! How talented the Church were, I thought, to have three singer/instrumentalists. The curtain finally dropped when I heard Unearthed and realised Steve was doing all the backing vocals, both on his albums and on Church ones. Given that M & P could both sing, why didn't they do backing vocals? Well, maybe Steve's sounded better. But what happened in concert? All you lucky people who have seen them live should know. Did M & P help out with backing vocals? Or did Steve just sing sans backing vocals? And, how did they manage songs like Tristesse and NSE&W, where the lines run over each other? 3. Any ideas why Steve did all the vocals in P=A, and M & P contributed none? I think it would have sounded much more 'listener-friendly' had they done some (although not necessarily better) 4. A newspaper review (which I have unfortunately lost) said that Jay Dee Daugherty not only drummed on P=A, but also played some bass and keyboards, and did backing vocals as well. Does anyone know anything about this? 5. I can't get over how wierdly different MWP's voice sounds on different albums. On early Church & solo albums his voice is very light, on Spark it sounds quite like Steve's, on GAF he sounds as if he had just had a tonsilectomy, and on Spirit Level he either mumbles or uses a falsetto. His vocals on SA/SE are his best yet, I think, in many cases better than Steve's (esp. Angelica). John From mrg@mame.mu.OZ.AU Thu Jul 21 01:30 PDT 1994 Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Subject: Re: Church vocals From: matthew green >1. How long has this list been going for? If it has been in operation for >years and years, are there any old listmembers' assessments of albums like >a quick smoke at spot's, priest=aura, spirit level, phazed etc still >floating around? I guess this sounds pretty desperate, it's just that i've >found peoples' song-by-song assessments of SA / SE quite interesting, and >I'd like to see how songs on some of the other albums fared, esp. P=A. i dunno. morten didn't tell me about it for a few months after he created it.. i'd guess a bit over a year. i love all the church albums. i've tried to order them, but it never worked. faves include: sometime, anywhere, starfish, of skins and hearts, the blurrude crusade, and the rest. a lot of people "dislike" songs i really like, like choas, the disillutionsist, and maybe these boys. ` >2. One thing I have always wondered about is how vocals were handled, both >on album and live. You see, until '92 I assumed that all the backing >vocals on songs like NSE&W, You're Still Beautiful, Aura etc were done by >Pete and Marty, or at least Marty. I even thought that the high, beautiful >vocal on Unguarded Moment was courtesy of Marty! How talented the Church >were, I thought, to have three singer/instrumentalists. > The curtain finally dropped when I heard Unearthed and realised Steve >was doing all the backing vocals, both on his albums and on Church ones. >Given that M & P could both sing, why didn't they do backing vocals? um. marty sings the first 'it's neither here not there' and the 'north south east and west' on north, south, east and west. peter does the high bit on the unguarded moment. steve does to a fair bit of overdubbing with his voice - such as in pharoah (my favourite song on gold afternoon fix). i think your observation is wrong - marty and peter both used to sing live. >Well, maybe Steve's sounded better. But what happened in concert? All you >lucky people who have seen them live should know. Did M & P help out with >backing vocals? Or did Steve just sing sans backing vocals? i think marty has a better voice than steve, but i *like* steve's more. it just appeals somehow. see above about live. >And, how did they manage songs like Tristesse and NSE&W, where the lines >run over each other? see above, again (i'm too good for myself) >3. Any ideas why Steve did all the vocals in P=A, and M & P contributed >none? I think it would have sounded much more 'listener-friendly' had they >done some (although not necessarily better) >4. A newspaper review (which I have unfortunately lost) said that Jay Dee >Daugherty not only drummed on P=A, but also played some bass and >keyboards, and did backing vocals as well. Does anyone know anything about >this? no idea. >5. I can't get over how wierdly different MWP's voice sounds on different >albums. On early Church & solo albums his voice is very light, on Spark it >sounds quite like Steve's, on GAF he sounds as if he had just had a >tonsilectomy, and on Spirit Level he either mumbles or uses a falsetto. >His vocals on SA/SE are his best yet, I think, in many cases better than >Steve's (esp. Angelica). i love marty's voice all his his stuff, and `his' church songs, though, it has changed. i love how raw it is on spark. .mrg. From BSmith@VCOMTELC.TELECOM.com.au Thu Jul 21 02:01 PDT 1994 From: "Smith, Brian" Cc: Church Subject: RE: Church vocals > The curtain finally dropped when I heard Unearthed and realised Steve > was doing all the backing vocals, both on his albums and on Church ones. > Given that M & P could both sing, why didn't they do backing vocals? I thought that the high part was Peter singing. Although people's voices sound quite different in falsetto, plus I've never seen or heard Peter sing that high on his own. > Well, maybe Steve's sounded better. But what happened in concert? All you > lucky people who have seen them live should know. Did M & P help out with > backing vocals? Or did Steve just sing sans backing vocals? Steve generally mumbles through the song, with Steve and Marty contributing the odd word here and there. Steve always played hard and sang hard when he could, so if he ran out of breath by the end of a line, he just let it trail away. I think he knew that most of the crowd knew what the lyrics were. I always felt let down, actually, because they seldom did any 3 part vocals. God, they barely managed any 2 part vocals ! I guess that Marty and Peter had to concentrate on their guitars. Here's a tall tale for you: When I was at the their first Palace concert in Melbourne in 1990, I was right up at the front (both nights....four feet from Marty...who wants to buy a plectrum?...thank you, thank you, Back, you Fiends !) Anyway, Peter was ambling away on the guitar part of Hotel Womb, not paying much attention. (He always seemed....what's the phrase...motivationally challenged when on stage.) I was happily singing along (as is my wont !) and he noticed I was singing the backing vocals that HE was supposed to be doing. I think it was the "My Hotel" backing line that you hear in the chorus. Anyhow, seeing me singing something he recognized shook him from his stupor, and he sang the rest of the songs' backing vocals as per the album. > And, how did they manage songs like Tristesse and NSE&W, where the lines > run over each other? They inserted another bar of music. > 3. Any ideas why Steve did all the vocals in P=A, and M & P contributed > none? I think it would have sounded much more 'listener-friendly' had they > done some (although not necessarily better) Marty was only there for a month, so he just jammed along with the music and went back home. He'd been away from home for about two or three months (I think) doing the Goldfish, Jokes and Souvenirs tours around Australia, and his baby had just had a birthday or something. This is when I actually met him, and as he was signing various things, such as CD liners, each time he saw a picture of Ann (his wife), he said something like "That's my woman...she's beautiful." Not in a sexist, rude way; he really seemed to be missing her. He also didn't know that Mushroom had released Melancholy Girl as a single. (For those who have it, MWP took the picture on the cover, and it's not his car because he doesn't know how to drive.) I asked him lots of stuff (which he answered fully, the guy is really patient and cool and fab etc....) including how he writes songs. He grabbed my guitar (yes, I was dweeby enough to take it along) and played "The light was red, I got out of bed/The trees were green, I was feeling mean." Not the deepest song ever written, but he basically told me to sing whatever popped into my head. He played a G chord, by the way. Then a D. One LAST thing (I don't say things often, but when I do, I DO !) does anyone have a compilation called The Amco Album ? It was a freebie given away by a jeans company here in Australia in the mid eighties. I got it for fifty cents at a school junk sale and "The Night Is Very Soft" is the last track on side 2 (just made it in). I asked Peter about it, and he'd never heard of it ! Brian Smith From matthew.blair@afrc.ac.uk Thu Jul 21 03:54 PDT 1994 Content-Identifier: 1187AA430800 From: BLAIRM Subject: early morning (pre-coffee) ramblings Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Paul writes >Does it beat a favorite band list? Definately. (BTW, glad to see >Not Drowning, Waving in a few of those, but no mention of the >Hoodoo Gurus? Have you people no taste?) Yeah, definitely beats a band list. Not that I mind them, but other postings would nice once in a while. Hoodoo Gurus ? I've got one of them lps somewhere, and now that you've mentioned them I'll have to dig it out and give it a listen. >Now that I'm in ramble mode, what if Steve or Marty was actually >tuned in to this list, operating under a false name? You know, Bill >seems to know an awful lot about their movements, even for a record >company guy, and what about Brian at Telecom? with home phone >numbers and calling plans? Hmmmm........... Woohoo. what a _cool_ idea Paul !!! I'm just imagining it know. MWP reading the mail going 'Jeez, he wants me to join the Mish, Steve', and Steve going 'Yeah, so what, they reckon I sound like Bono sometimes.' Or both of them 'They want us to put out *what* as the next single ?' hehehehehehe ;-) BTW does anybody know if there _is_ an e-mail address for the church, or even a normal fan club address or anything. On one of their LP sleeves (I forget which) there's a fan club address. Also has anyone tried writing to the address given on Marty's Spirit Level LP ? Later, Matt. From ctn2d@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu Thu Jul 21 04:58 PDT 1994 21 Jul 94 7:59 EDT From: ctn2d@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu Subject: Re: mission Ok, guys, I admit, the only reason I ever listened to the church in the first place was because marty is so damn hot. thank goodness his marvelously perfectioned visage covers most of his work. chris Sadly, many children are not even born into families today, but are orphaned even before their birth by the choice of their parents who do not want them. This grieves my heart so. Cherish your children and give them the stable environment they deserve. -The Blessed Virgin Mary, March 7, 1987 From FURSTD@BoysTown.ORG Thu Jul 21 06:48 PDT 1994 From: FURSTD@BoysTown.ORG (DAVID FURST) Subject: jack frost release date Here goes again. Anyone know when the new jack frost is supposed to come out? Also, any intel on Grant McLennon, is that right? Has he done any other good work other than co-piloting jack frost. -dave From mosk Thu Jul 21 07:45 PDT 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: MWP cover art > From matthewk@postoffice.utas.edu.au Wed Jul 20 23:50:06 1994 > > On Wed, 20 Jul 1994, Morten Skjefte wrote: > > > Also, does he look a little too close to Mick Jones of the Clash > > on the back of AA? I always think of him when I look at that > > picture... Maybe that's why I don't like the album that much... > > Eyebrows _and_ MJ on the same cover....shudder... > > Um, the reason Marty looks so out-of-character on the *back* cover is that > that's not him! It's a photo taken by Jean Cocteau, the French film > director, in about 1930. Cocteau's "Les Enfants Terribles" (a book) > features on MWP's album _Spirit Level_ as well, from memory. > > Matthew. Duh....Man, do I feel stupid now! That's what I get for relying on my memory.... It's awful getting old.... :-) -m From iy17@jove.acs.unt.edu Thu Jul 21 07:52 PDT 1994 From: Koontz Christopher Noel Subject: MWP cover art, etc. pmwebb posted concerning the prevalence of Marty's visage on his solo album covers. To expound upon this, i don't think that anything is more telling than the "Rhyme" cover. Not only does it have our Beloved MWP posing w/ his Rick, but look at the word "Rhyme." The letters R, h, and m are on his left shoulder, while the letters m and (ME) are in a different color on the stark white background. Is this coincidental? i think not, given the scraps i know about MWP and how i've seen him act on stage. p.s. How is "Ploog" pronounced? i assume that it's a Dutch name; most double o's in Dutch (i.e. Moog -- synthesizer pioneer, Dallas Stars NHL goalie, etc.) are pronounced with a soft o -- rhymes with though, crow, etc... like "Plohg." or is it just Ploooooooooog? Am i thinking too hard about this? i used to be really dissatisfied w/ his drumming. i thought he was plodding, boring, and clunky. Now, looking back, i think that the entire album "Seance" would have drifted away on its etherial wash had it not been for his percussive anchor. SOMETIME ANYWHERE KICKS ASS! From mosk Thu Jul 21 08:06 PDT 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: early morning (pre-coffee) ramblings > From matthew.blair@afrc.ac.uk Thu Jul 21 03:54:22 1994 > Also has anyone tried writing to the address > given on Marty's Spirit Level LP ? > > Later, Matt. > The one in Stockholm? Yes, I have, about 7 months ago. Still waiting for that reply..... I figured tho' that Marty was in the midst of recording SASE at that point, and my letter probably just got stuck inbetween all the bills etc that waited for him when he got home.... I sent off a letter to Peter about 3 weeks ago. And writing to Karin J and Ann C is on my to-do list. I recently got hold of a tape of some of the Pink Champagne records....They're quite charming.... We were all so angry back then.... :-) From iy17@jove.acs.unt.edu Thu Jul 21 08:18 PDT 1994 From: Koontz Christopher Noel Subject: Marty's driving skills How the hell can MWP not know how to drive? All you have to do is put your foot down on the oscillation pedal. From brenta@microsoft.com Thu Jul 21 08:54 PDT 1994 X-Msmail-Message-Id: 6FFFCCCF X-Msmail-Conversation-Id: 6FFFCCCF X-Msmail-Wiseremark: These pretzels are making me thirsty From: Brent Aliverti Subject: RE: jack frost release date Sure! Grant "GW" McLennan was a founding member of the Go-Betweens, a terrific pop band from Australia. They put out six proper albums, plus a few compilations. They never rose above cult status here in the US and most of their albums are out-of-print in the US. Check out "16 Lovers Lane" for some music that's easy on the ears. They actually toured the states on this album, so I got to see them in Seattle at the UW auditorium. Great show (The Walkabouts openned). The compilation "1978-1990" is a pretty good career retrospective. Since the Go-Betweens split, GW has released two solo albums, "Watershed" and "Fireboy". The latter was released over a 1 1/2 years ago, but just saw US release last month. Of the two, I prefer "Watershed" myself, but "Fireboy" has some good tracks as well. Robert Forrster, the other lead Go-Between, has released two solo projects as well. Interestingly, although the band split up, the two of them toured together, openning for Lloyd Cole a few years back. Another great show. ---------- From: DAVID FURST Subject: jack frost release date Here goes again. Anyone know when the new jack frost is supposed to come out? Also, any intel on Grant McLennon, is that right? Has he done any other good work other than co-piloting jack frost. -dave From powell@Kodak.COM Thu Jul 21 08:55 PDT 1994 From: "Richard W. Powell x71123/ESD/8-23-KP" Reply-To: "Richard W. Powell x71123/ESD/8-23-KP" Subject: the next single Hello Bill@Arista - I'll stick with my original choices for single releases from "Sometime Anywhere" (*"Somewhere else"), in order: 1.BUSINESS WOMAN 2.AUTHORITY 3.LEAVE YOUR CLOTHES ON* 4.LOVEBLIND 5.TIME BEING* Regarding "bonus" tracks on singles: - Re-mixes (only) are usually boring. Entirely different versions are sometimes more interesting. Even as an "admitted" fan - I have no plans for buying the 1st single. - A more widely available release of "Room Full Of Diamonds" would be welcome. - Songs performed on the promotional tour in May/June this year would be interesting. Particularly because they must have sounded significantly different than the studio versions done with a full band. (I'll bet at least the live broadcasts were all recorded.) I'd especially like to hear the Church versions non-Church tunes (ie: "Ritz", "Providence", "Will I Start To Bleed", ...). - Previously unreleased songs are always nice, including newly recorded material (the "ripple" single was great). Maybe even Church studio versions of solo material. How about "As You Like It". "September 13", or even "quick & cheap" cover versions of some obscure favorites. - thanks, Dick From matthew.blair@afrc.ac.uk Thu Jul 21 09:40 PDT 1994 Content-Identifier: 1187AC321000 From: BLAIRM Subject: insane ramblings, without my brain plugged in Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Koontz Christopher Noel wrote >the letters m and (ME) are in a different color on the stark white background. >Is this coincidental? i think not, given the scraps i know about MWP and how >i've seen him act on stage. Cor, i've never thought of that before. I'm gonna go straight home tonight and have a quick butcher's at the Rhyme sleeve. Well spotted that man ! >p.s. How is "Ploog" pronounced? Dunno, always pronounced it Ploog myself. >i used to be really dissatisfied w/ his drumming. i >thought he was plodding, boring, and clunky. Now, looking back, i think >that the entire album "Seance" would have drifted away on its etherial >wash had it not been for his percussive anchor. You what ? I love his drumming on all, *except* Seance. Maybe it's just me. I thought that was the one lp where he *did* plod and clunk, although my least fav. piece of drumming is the entire Happy Hunting Ground track. It could have been a decent instrumental if not for the drums. As it is I can't listen to it at all. My bestest, favouritest, magicest drumming the JD's on P=A. The whole LP !! > SOMETIME ANYWHERE KICKS ASS! Great LP, but 'kicks ass' ? I don't think the church could ever really be accused of kicking ass, tho' they do occassionaly rock out (a bit). MAtt. ***** all opinions are not neccessarily my own. Sometimes I think this body *** ***** has a mind of it's own *** From kallista@netcom.com Thu Jul 21 12:05 PDT 1994 From: kallista@netcom.com (Christopher Barrus) Subject: jack frost release date Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > From FURSTD@BoysTown.ORG Thu Jul 21 07:01:38 1994 > Date: Thu, 21 Jul 94 08:43:53 CST > Also, any intel on Grant McLennon, is that right? Has he done any other good > work other than co-piloting jack frost. Then you've never heard of The Go-Betweens, eh? Chris ========================================================================== Chris Barrus - kallista@netcom.com | "Route 66 is a giant chute down which | everything loose in this country is '72 Riviera - Peace through | sliding into Southern California." superior automotive power! | - Frank Lloyd Wright ========================================================================== From mosk Thu Jul 21 13:19 PDT 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: A new thread.... I've been meaning to get to this for quite a while now, but something always comes up..... I just wanted to make you guys aware of a couple of the "published musicians" on the list. Paul Noe is the guitarist (I hope I remembered _that_ right :) for the JudyBats. I'm sure you've heard of them. Their 4th album, "Full Empty", is being released on Aug 7, I believe... Paul sent me a cassette of it, and their previous release, "Pain Makes You Beautiful". They are both very good albums, with the new one being my personal favorite. The only band I can think of as a reference at the moment, is Toad The Wet Sprocket, although it's probably not as accurate as it should be. It's good, guitar-driven rock... They also do a version of the old Bee-Gees hit Jive Talkin'....Who'd have thunk anyone would touch _that_ one??? :-) The JudyBats have actually managed to make it into a decent song. I guess singing it in a normal voice helped a lot, and the "na-na-na" parts are done with a guitar riff which makes the song actually sound like a r'n'r song.... Well done, Paul. The second one is Richard Hardack. He is(/was?) part of a band called Vinyl Devotion. The band is fronted by Shalini Chatterjee, who also writes all the songs. The (mini)album is produced by Scott Miller (of Game Theory/Loud Family fame). Shalini also happens to be his wife. And the Miller influences are fairly visible, but to me that's just a plus. I love Miller's music... The opening track is my least favorite, it doesn't flow very well... The rest are very good... Temple Of Athena reminds me of the first Hex album. Antagonist is a pretty tight rocker, Miller and some of his cohorts show up on this one. Probably my favorite track... All in all worth checking out.... It may be a little hard to get hold of outside of the Bay Area, but I'm sure you can get it from Mod Lang (that's where I picked up my copy) or Richard may be able to help you. I can also help out if needed. Has anyone else been published?? I know we have loads of guitarists on this list, maybe even famous ones.... I will admit to releasing a 4-track 12" a few years back, but I'm trying to forget it.... A local paper described it as "Heaven created by K-Mart"....It pretty much sums it up.... Enough rambling... -morten From pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Thu Jul 21 14:14 PDT 1994 From: pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Subject: questions.... These are some answers to some of the questions that have been floating around, and have not yet been addressed: Is there an e-mail address for the Church? Don't know. Is there a fan club address? There used to be one, that I think was run by Arista (Bill?), that I joined sometime after GAF I think. They sent out a few newsletters, and some advance mailings about P=A and SK and MWP solo tours, but then I never heard from them again. I assume they don't exist anymore. Has anyone tried writing to the address on "Spirit Level"? Yes, twice I think, but no reply :-( Now, IMHO, my choices for next single: The Myths You Made Cut In Two Dead Mans Dream (I don't think this one would sell too many records, but it's one of my favorites from the album, and if you want to present the essence of the band to new listeners, this could be it). Now if Arista REALLY wants to sell some records, how about a whole different single - "Under The Milky Way '94". Hey, it's been tried by plenty of other bands before :-) I just remembered, people were talking about Peter and Marty singing. As far as I'm concned, pretty much all of what I would consider the worst Church songs are sung by Peter:Forgotten Reign, Transient, the other one from A Quick Smoke.. that i can't remember right now etc. Except for A New Season, which is one of my favorites off of Starfish, I'm more than happy with peter relegated to backup singing rather than taking the lead. One more thing, it _is_ pronounced Ploooooooog. That's how Steve said it on stage at least. -paul From rcr@u.washington.edu Thu Jul 21 15:31 PDT 1994 Thu, 21 Jul 94 15:29:33 -0700 From: Rhonda Corcoran Subject: Jack Frost? Next Single I must have been napping when this was first mentioned. When did Steve have time to work on this? Before, during or after production of SA/SE, I wonder. Anyone have the one page article that was recently in Raygun? I went back to the newsstand to check something out and they were all sold out. On an un-Church related topic, I was recently re-listening to some old records and one of these was the compilation of various Aussie rockers, called Ugly Things (vol. 3)(in nifty creamy green vinyl no less :) I really like the Loved Ones, but find their music impossible to locate in stores or catalogs. Anyone like them and have some archives I can plunder? E-mail me if so. :) Oh yeah, and for the next single I'd say Authority or Business Woman if the goal is to lure in the Top 40 consumer. Otherwise my fav at the moment is Angelica. Rhonda From s3brow@sanger.otago.ac.nz Thu Jul 21 18:11 PDT 1994 From: "John Brown-O'Sullivan" Sender: "John Brown-O'Sullivan" Reply-To: "John Brown-O'Sullivan" Subject: drumming on Church albums 1. I don't see how Peter could have sung the high part on Unguarded Moment. I reckon that was Steve's voice, electronically 'enhanced'. Although anyone who has seen that song live would know... 2. I found what Chris said about Ploog's drumming quite interesting. I have very mixed feelings about Ploog's abilities as a drummer. For the most part, his drumming on all the pre-Starfish albums reeks. I actually like a lot of the Seance drumming, esp. on Electric and Travel by Thought, but the stuff on Remote Luxury in particular is the worst drumming I have ever heard. And Heyday isn't much better. But, Starfish features the best drumming ever! It has such an epic sound - ever-changing, like sounds from the ocean. I thought the drumming on GAF was a complete joke - a giant step backwards. There were a) the metronome beats on Transient and others (which I now know were synthetic) and b) the elaborate but unimpressive sounds on Metropolis etc. Now I think about it, YSB had OK drumming, so did Disappointment - a drum machine again? Jay Dee Daugherty is the best drummer the Church ever had, or will have. The beats on SA/SE are a real oddbunch. Tracks with great druming include: Day of the Dead the Maven and... omigod, I can't think of any others! There are some - the other live ones. Bad tracks are, you guessed it... almost all of the synthetic ones! Come on guys, help out all those unemployed drummers and use live beats only. 3. I just heard Sonic Youth's new one - it sounded like their 'P=A'-type album, ie very moody, except nowhere near as good. It probably sold about 1000x as many copies! Typical. 4. Hey, does anyone know how many copies P=A did sell? I kept on hearing the term 'commercial failure', but what is that? In NZ, local artists count themselves lucky if they sell over 1000 copies. 5. Oh yes... Bill, if Arista is looking for a new single, they should release 'Freeze to Burn', and aim it at the rap market! John From kwr08495@acuvax.acu.edu Thu Jul 21 19:06 PDT 1994 From: "Karl W. Reinsch" Cc: kwr08495@acuvax.acu.edu Subject: re: mission Date sent: 21-JUL-1994 20:57:37 >for all the mission critics: they are a pretty cool band, and tell me who >would sound better on beyond the pale or deliverance. okay, no flame war >intended, but they are just fine the way they are... Well, Marty playing for the Mission wouldn't be a huge stretch. Wayne Hussey (the Mission's singer) has played guitar on a few All About Eve tracks. Also, all you Mission critics who are also Sisters of Mercy fans (there's a lot of Sisters fans on here as evidence by recent fave lists) should remember that the founding members of the Mission were 1/2 of the original Sisters of Mercy (Hussey was the guitarist). However, I will also admit to being displeased with the direction the Mission went with "Masque". Now some Church relevance - if Arista wants sales, I would vote for releasing "The Time Being" or "Business Woman". -karl. From mosk Thu Jul 21 19:40 PDT 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: On vacation Kids, I'll be on vacation until August 1st. If something happens to the list it won't be fixed until then. I'll be somewhere in the dark woods of Northern California, learning how to Travel By Thought, Disappear, Fly and probably be generally Electric for a while..... Be nice to each other.... :-) -morten From U23500@UICVM.UIC.EDU Thu Jul 21 19:55 PDT 1994 From: Mefisto in Onyx Subject: SASE review from the CHicago Tribune - 21 july 1994 (reviewer: Brad Webber) The Church Sometime Anywhere (Arista) *** out of four Shimmering guitar lines and druggy vocals swirl thourgh "SA," the latest record by Church remnants, singer-bassist SK and guitarist MWP. PK recently left the Australian band that has been lurching about the cusp of commercial success since the mid-80s with stellar discs like "Heyday" and "Starfish." "SA" does wallow a bit with SK's tormented vocals-- and oblique lyrics -- swimming amid MWP's neopsychedelic licks. "Eastern" sparkles with a Middle Eastern flair, with violins swirling in counterpoint to MWP's deft strumming. Snatch the two-disc version, which adds another half-hour of music for $1. raj | When inward life dries up, when feeling decreases and apathy increases, | | when one cannot affect or even genuinely touch another person, violence | | flares up as a daimonic necessity for contact, a mad drive forcing contact | | in the most direct way possible. -Rollo May, LOVE AND WILL | | High in the bloody sky, the Deathbird circled. -Harlan Ellison, DEATHBIRD | From kallista@netcom.com Fri Jul 22 00:24 PDT 1994 From: kallista@netcom.com (Chris Barrus) Subject: Re: drumming on Church albums > I thought the drumming on GAF was a complete joke - a giant step >backwards. There were a) the metronome beats on Transient and others >(which I now know were synthetic) >and b) the elaborate but unimpressive sounds on Metropolis etc. >Now I think about it, YSB had OK drumming, so did Disappointment - a drum >machine again? As a recall from an interview with SK during the US GAF tour, 3/4 of the drums on GAF were from a drum machine. Ploog bailed during the initial tracks. Doughtery joined just after recording, but before the video shoots. Chris ========================================================================== Chris Barrus - kallista@netcom.com | "Route 66 is a giant chute down which | everything loose in this country is '72 Riviera - Peace through | sliding into Southern California." superior automotive power! | - Frank Lloyd Wright ========================================================================== From matthew.blair@afrc.ac.uk Fri Jul 22 05:08 PDT 1994 Content-Identifier: 1187B3463B00 From: BLAIRM Subject: Brian really is Steve ? Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Brian writes: >Aarrgh ! I've been rumbled. OK, I really am Steve and have the beard, drug >stash and paisley shirt to prove it. I've got some new songs, and for $5 >each I'll send you all a tape :). I wish !! $5 for a tape ? cooool. I'll take *2* please !! Well if you have the beard, whose beard do I have ? It looks like Steve's old one, at least thats what the man in the shop said when I bought it. The ultimate in church merchandising !! Next up, MWP's gold hoop earings, Ploog's little hat from 'different man' video, JD's bit of elastic from his pony-tail, and, wait for it...a real find...for only $1 each...Peter's rusty old guitar strings. I bought 6 !! >On another topic, does anyone know whatever happened to Nick Price, the >first Church drummer ? I've just examined the Hindsight package, which >contains a few songs from that first album, and he's not credited ! Isn't >that illegal ? I didn't even know they had a drummer before Ploog until I bought S+H on CD. Up till then I only had 'The Church', which credits Ploog. He must have 'left' early on, as he doesn't appear in any videos. (correct if if I'm wrong) On a slightly different note, Matthew (not me, I'm Matt) wrote that both MWP *and* SK were from the UK. Is this correct ? I knew about Marty, but Steve ? And LAST, but not least, before I go off on a half day from work (to sell my soul to the bank for a loan !! aaarrrrgghhhh !!) Morten what did you write to MWP and Peter about ? I wanted to write to MWP, but I didn't have a clue what to write. I didn't want to come over as a fawning 'groupie', or anything like that, but at the same time I didn't want to be formal either. Basically I just wanted to know about any forth coming projects. I have a friend (yes really !) in Sweden at the moment, so I'm gonna write to him (via his office in London) and get him to post any mail to MWP. Well enuff babble from me..time to grovel. Byeee, have a good weekend everyone MAtt :-) From anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Fri Jul 22 05:23 PDT 1994 Reply-To: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Organization: Xymox UUCP System, Melbourne Australia From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Re: loveblind..and other associated junk.. Matthew Greenerises: > there was also an interview with steve in this weeks > `beat' magazine, where mr anthony horan works, but it > wasn't done by anthony (i'm sure he's not real happy about > that ;).. He's not. :) That interview was done by Mike Gee in Perth a while before the release of the album; he works for a company that makes its income from gaining "exclusive" interviews with famous music people and selling them around Australia. Mushroom haven't been able to get Kilbey in the one place long enough to do a round of interviews; the ones that have appeared were all done late last year or early this year. Kilbey is apparently now in Sweden and isn't coming back until October. That'll annoy Sony, who were going to tour Mae Moore here if Kilbey would agree to pop in for a jam. Anyway, Beat ran that interview reluctantly for two reasons: (a) it virtually negates our chances of getting a real one, and (b) we object to the idea that people are talking labels into "exclusives", denying others the chance to do interviews. This same person supplied us with an "exclusive" Tori Amos interview recently, which was actually all lifted from Atrlantic's promotional interview CD. Bet he thought no-one else had a copy of that. :) Ah well, I got to (really) interview Tori Amos (almost exclusively! One of two Australian interviews, apparently :-) this week, as well as Miki Berenyi from Lush, Henry Frayne from the Moon Seven Times, and I talk to Marcella Detriot on Monday. I'm doing OK. :-) - Anthony -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au those herbal-tea moments." - Caroline Sullivan of The Guardian reviewing the new "Victoria Amos" album. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From FURSTD@BoysTown.ORG Fri Jul 22 06:39 PDT 1994 From: FURSTD@BoysTown.ORG (DAVID FURST) Subject: Evidence of new jack frost Hi rhonda and thanks all for the tip on the go-betweens. My supporting evidence about new jack frost is this: From matt from utah on june 11, 1994: "Steve was morose, sat in a van, and only signed about three (autographs). According to him, new jack frost out about christmas. also, from a recent discography posting, located very near the end of it: "The 2nd jack frost album, called 'Dead Cool Snow Job' is finished and will be released in july. According to Mr. Kilbey it is 'fantastic and brilliant'. Also, I have the raygun with the one pager. From iy17@jove.acs.unt.edu Fri Jul 22 10:19 PDT 1994 From: Koontz Christopher Noel Subject: Re: insane ramblings, without my brain plugged in Cc: Receipt Notification Requested On Thu, 21 Jul 1994, BLAIRM wrote: > Koontz Christopher Noel wrote > > >the letters m and (ME) are in a different color on the stark white background. > >Is this coincidental? i think not, given the scraps i know about MWP and how > >i've seen him act on stage. > > Cor, i've never thought of that before. I'm gonna go straight home tonight > and have a quick butcher's at the Rhyme sleeve. Well spotted that man ! > actually, i blundered slightly on this one. The letters M and E are the same color as R,H, and Y, but they still stick out rather much. my bad.> > > > > SOMETIME ANYWHERE KICKS ASS! > > Great LP, but 'kicks ass' ? I don't think the church could ever really be > accused of kicking ass, tho' they do occassionaly rock out (a bit). > "Kicks ass" is Texan for "rather nifty." christopher From JBatsMail@aol.com Fri Jul 22 12:37 PDT 1994 From: JBatsMail@aol.com Sender: "JBatsMail" Subject: mwp i tried writing marty at that address on Spirit Level and it came back to my house. if anyone has an address where to write him, please post! Paul From anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Sun Jul 24 05:20 PDT 1994 Reply-To: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Organization: Xymox UUCP System, Melbourne Australia From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Re: drumming on Church albums > 2. I found what Chris said about Ploog's drumming quite interesting. I have > very mixed feelings about Ploog's abilities as a drummer. For the most > part, his drumming on all the pre-Starfish albums reeks. I actually like a > lot of the Seance drumming, esp. on Electric and Travel by Thought, I was under the impression that Nick Launay, in the process of mixing "Seance", not only replaced the recorded drums largely with triggered samples but also programmed some drums himself. He does recieve a "mix produced by" credit as opposed to the usual "mixed by". Any of you interview hoarders got anything that tallies with or dismisses this? I've always been quite curious. By the way, I love the mix on "Seance", and it's possibly my favorite Church album... -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au those herbal-tea moments." - Caroline Sullivan of The Guardian reviewing the new "Victoria Amos" album. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Sun Jul 24 05:31 PDT 1994 Reply-To: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Organization: Xymox UUCP System, Melbourne Australia From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Re: A new thread.... Morten tells of some published musicians on the list and asks: > Has anyone else been published?? I know we have loads of > guitarists on this list, maybe even famous ones.... Well, you have a producer. :-) A seven track EP for a band called About Six Feet that I produced last month (24 track recording, ADD, except one track we're using from early last year which is a combination of direct digital-via-MIDI and 8-track analog) is coming out on CD at the end of August; I'm travelling to Sydney on Tuesday to master the final digital tape at EMI Studio 301. The band is of the electronic dark pop variety, along the lines of Depeche Mode and New Order; I brought in some extra musicians on a few tracks including David Sterry from the band Real Life on guitar, and Wendy Rule from the band I'm managing (The Howl) on backing vocals (I actually asked Margot Smith, but she was busy writing and demoing her next album). The recording studio was Toyland in Melbourne, home of Eden's "Healing Bow" EP and their forthcoming album. Adam Calaitzis, who also worked on the Eden records, was the recording engineer. The mastering engineer will be the rather legendary Don Bartley, who mastered among many other things the Clouds' "Thunderhead", Margot's "Sleeping With The Lion", and all the EMI-released Church albums. (Blowing-my-own-trumpet mode off :-) > I will admit to releasing a 4-track 12" a few years back, but > I'm trying to forget it.... A local paper described it as > "Heaven created by K-Mart"....It pretty much sums it up.... I still want to hear this, though, Morten! :-) - Anthony -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au those herbal-tea moments." - Caroline Sullivan of The Guardian reviewing the new "Victoria Amos" album. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From 213170596@UCIS.VILL.EDU Sun Jul 24 16:46 PDT 1994 From: 213170596@UCIS.VILL.EDU (timB) Subject: more than one Re: OK, lets see here: 1. Nick Price left the Church early on and is now a very rich and famous professional golfer who most recently won the British Open. ;) (that was a more prosperous career move, don't you think?) 2. Regarding vocals (live and LP), i always thought the backup vocals that sound like the "You can leave your clothes on" were Peter's but I guess I was wrong. Also, the video for Reptile gives some pretty good shots of Peter harmonizing and playing at the same time (no small feat!). 3. How can Marty not know how to drive? I guess it got him a lotta sleep when the church were touring in a van and driving themselves (if they ever were. I think the early years of the church still remain hazy to me and most others. Steve and Marty are usually pretty vague about the band's early years.) 4. Hoodoo Gurus?!!?! Stoneage Romeos is one of my Top 10 ever! I heard Dave and the boys have a new album out but it hasn't been released in the US yet, only Australia. Can anyone confirm this? 5. Mission fans who play guitar: Would you guys know what I'm talking about when one would speak of that "Mission lick." The one that's in like half their songs. Quite amusing. 6. IMHO, Pain Makes you Beautiful was the Judybats worst album. They couldn't survive the loss of what's her name. She gave me a recipe once. Word has it that she went "to culinary school" (no joke). 7. Um, sorry for 3 non-church points. ))))))))))))) ((((((((((((( timB From mrg@mame.mu.OZ.AU Sun Jul 24 17:09 PDT 1994 Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Subject: Re: more than one Re: <9407242347.AA20248@Sun.COM> From: matthew green yes, there is a new hoodoo gurus album out here. i saw it on friday when i was shopping. obchurch: i get my portable cd player today so i can listen to the church at work. .mrg. From toma@sco.COM Sun Jul 24 18:32 PDT 1994 From: Tom Avila Subject: review Cc: toma@sco.COM Hi Folks, I've actually been lurking on this list for months but never got around to doing one of those intro things. Let me quickly introduce myself. I first got into the band after hearing Tantalized on the radio. I got Heyday and loved it. I really got quite attached to "Happy Hunting Ground", believe it or not, and have been a faithful follower ever since. My favorite album is probably P=A, though admittedly one does need to be in the proper mood for it. Heyday and SE are right up there as well. But, hell, they're all good! That said, let's move on to exerpts of the Musician Magazine review of SA/SE. I didn't type the whole thing in since I am a bit lazy, but most of it is here. Enjoy! ----------------------------------- The Church Sometime, Anywhere (Arista) by: Tom Lanham August 1994 If Roger Waters had never left Pink Floyd, what would the band sound like today? Chances are, a lot less like the tranquilized Division Bell and more like the tranquil Aussie outfit the Church, on its dreamy, dreary new Arista disc Sometime, Anywhere. Pared down to a core duo of cynical singer/lyricist Steve Kilbey (the Waters figure) and fluid, filigreed guitarist Marty Willson-Piper (who approximates the Floyd's David Gilmour in tone and texture), the once-jangling group has summoned up a surreal, bewitching mood piece somewhere between Wish You Were Here and The Wall, and album that would play well by candlelight in a hilltop haunted mansion. A couple of segments clog Kilbey's slow-pulsing artery - the clumsy, veiled vitriol of "The Maven" and the disjointed Willson-Piper vocal exercise "Fly Home", for instance. But he wheezes so suggestively from delicate six-string-and-synthesizer platforms like "Day of the Dead", "Lost My Touch" and "My little Problem", you're immediately drawn in. As far back as 1981's definitive, "The Ungaurded Moment", Kilbey was sneering on most of humanity, and now it's become his stock in trade. [ The author goes on to cite some lines from Lullaby and Loveblind, which I am too lazy to type in] Throughout the set, ethereal female backing vocals waft in, a la Dark Side of the Moon, and underscore Sometime Anywhere's somber Floydian themes. And it's obvious - even on a mostly forgettable seven-track bonus disk - that Kilbey and Willson-Piper need each other for yin-yang balance, a lesson Waters and Gilmour seem to have long ago forgotten. ------------ The interesting thing about this review is that the reviewer didn't really care for SE. Oh well, what does he know? :) Later, Tom From s3brow@sanger.otago.ac.nz Sun Jul 24 23:41 PDT 1994 From: "John Brown-O'Sullivan" Sender: "John Brown-O'Sullivan" Reply-To: "John Brown-O'Sullivan" Subject: advice for arista about releases Bill, you asked for input about the next single. Here are a few suggestions for you to take to the next board meeting (ho ho) 1. Don't ever release a song that has to be cut to become a single. They just don't work. period. 2. A single should always have heaps of other stuff to back it up. I don't think Arista have been overgenerous with extra material, eg the Ripple single only had 2 b-sides when it could at the very least have had the full-length version as well, or maybe a demo version... The Church have obviously released a lot of material in the album proper, and might not have that many other recordings from this session available. But we fans would be happy to get any oddities, no matter how undeveloped. I believe that a band usually submits demo versions of songs to its record company before then recording the album versions. 3. I presume that there are no problems with releasing pre-SA material. I imagine that when the Church record a song, it may reach a considerable length (as all good things do) and then is cut down to fit onto the album. Things I would gladly possess include: Unreleased versions of Aura, Dome, Chaos and especially Film Acoustic versions of SF, GAF and P=A songs 4. Maybe there could be enough to scrape together an album... 'A Quick Smoke at Spot's ' is one of my fave albums. Are there any plans to release a similar album in '95? 5. AND, when are you going to put out a live album? Concentrate on stuff from the SF, GAF and especially P=A tours, and add on 40 minutes or so of the SA acoustic tour. Make it a double album. This probably seems wildly unrealistic. Well, if you don't promote you won't get sales. There was a more than 2 year gap between P=A and SA, and I think that definitely hurt sales - the Church need to be more visible. Bands like the House of Love and the J&M Chain put out an album every year (although they tend to be crap). John From kwr08495@acuvax.acu.edu Sun Jul 24 23:54 PDT 1994 From: "Karl W. Reinsch" Cc: kwr08495@acuvax.acu.edu Subject: re: advice for arista about releases [some very valid suggestions removed here] Seriously, Bill, singles off of SA/SE are just not likely to sell big these days, IMHO. Someone joked about releasing "Under the Milky Way 1994". I don't know how that would do. But, given the current resurgence of guitar-oriented bands, "The Unguarded Moment 1994" might just be the ticket. In fact, they probably don't even need to record a new version. Again, my most serious suggestion is "The Time Being". Actually, come to think of it, maybe "The Maven" would sell. Of course, it would probably need to shortened, and censored [much to the delight of all the Seance lyrics critics ;-) ]. -karl. From matthew.blair@afrc.ac.uk Mon Jul 25 02:14 PDT 1994 Content-Identifier: 1187CA7B2A00 From: BLAIRM Subject: ignore, testing Sensitivity: Company-Confidential apologies all, i'm not receiving mail, so i'm just testing to see if I can send Matt From matthew.blair@afrc.ac.uk Mon Jul 25 05:32 PDT 1994 Content-Identifier: 1187CB603600 From: BLAIRM Subject: nothing original Sensitivity: Company-Confidential John writes >1. Don't ever release a song that has to be cut to become a single. >They just don't work. period. Sadly, too true. >2. A single should always have heaps of other stuff to back it up.... > Things I would gladly possess include: > Unreleased versions of Aura, Dome, Chaos and especially Film > Acoustic versions of SF, GAF and P=A songs >4. Maybe there could be enough to scrape together an album... 'A Quick >Smoke at Spot's ' is one of my fave albums. Are there any plans to release >a similar album in '95? Oh God, yes please !!! >5. AND, when are you going to put out a live album? Concentrate on stuff >from the SF, GAF and especially P=A tours, and add on 40 minutes or so of >the SA acoustic tour. Make it a double album. That would be *really* cool. I've seen the church live once, on the GAF tour, but apart from that, I've never seen or heard of an live material being available. I believe bootlegs exist, but I have no idea where to look for them. I've tried almost all the record fairs that have come to Edinburgh in the last few years to no avail. Sadly, I don't remeber too much of the GAF gig, as I consumned a beer or 5 too many during the support band (nuclear valdez anyone ?) and then ended up standing next to a bloke i would have sworn was Andrew Eldritch, 'cept when some accidently knocked his hat off he nearly burst into tears. One would hope Eldritch would be a touch cooler than that :) The one thing I do remeber/hallucinate was Marty trashing his guitar, and then jumping on it :( timB writes > 1. Nick Price left the Church early on and is now a very rich and >famous professional golfer who most recently won the British Open. ;) >(that was a more prosperous career move, don't you think?) Really ? or are you taking the p*ss ? Lucky Nick. Or maybe they're all secret sportsmen ?Like, Steve's the world scrabble champion maybe. ;) >Also, the video for Reptile gives some pretty good shots of Peter harmonizing >and playing at the same time (no small feat!). Easy if your miming. I know the video's supposed to look live, but they're obviously miming along to the record. Or the record was dubbed over the top of a live performance, in which case they could all be playing a load of tripe. > 5. Mission fans who play guitar: Would you guys know what I'm >talking about when one would speak of that "Mission lick." The one that's >in like half their songs. Quite amusing. Hehehe, yeah I know the one, and as soon as I've worked it out, I'm gonna use it in *more* than half _my_ songs. hehehehe Well, that's all from me for now. I didn't have anything original to say anyway. Later, MAtt :) From 213170596@UCIS.VILL.EDU Mon Jul 25 11:59 PDT 1994 From: 213170596@UCIS.VILL.EDU (timB) Subject: miming From: SMTP%"matthew.blair@afrc.ac.uk" "BLAIRM" 25-JUL-1994 08:34:52.17 CC: Subj: nothing original with SMTP-OpenVMS via TCP/IP; Mon, 25 Jul 1994 08:34 EST Content-Identifier: 1187CB603600 From: BLAIRM Subject: nothing original Sensitivity: Company-Confidential >and then ended up standing next to a bloke i would have sworn was Andrew >Eldritch, 'cept when some accidently knocked his hat off he nearly burst into >tears. One would hope Eldritch would be a touch cooler than that :) The one >thing I do remeber/hallucinate was Marty trashing his guitar, and then jumping >on it killing guitars should be a crime and i think Andrew Eldritch is such a jerk that he'd knowk your block off if you knocked off his hat. although he is quite skinny and doesn't look very strong. >>Also, the video for Reptile gives some pretty good shots of Peter harmonizing >>and playing at the same time (no small feat!). > > Easy if your miming. I know the video's supposed to look live, but they're >obviously miming along to the record. Or the record was dubbed over the top >of a live performance, in which case they could all be playing a load of tripe. yeah, like most videos, the song IS dubbed over live footage, making you think that Peter sings perfect backup vocals, but Steve probablly wouldn;t settle for anything less... >> 5. Mission fans who play guitar: Would you guys know what I'm >>talking about when one would speak of that "Mission lick." The one that's >>in like half their songs. Quite amusing. > > Hehehe, yeah I know the one, and as soon as I've worked it out, I'm gonna >use it in *more* than half _my_ songs. hehehehe I'd transcribe it if i could remember it at this second, but I do remember that it starts on the B string and uses like 0, 1 and 3rd frets in some weird hammer on/pull-off combo. i still laugh every song i hear it in. esp. deliverance.... timB From BSmith@VCOMTELC.TELECOM.com.au Mon Jul 25 20:20 PDT 1994 From: "Smith, Brian" Subject: CDConnection.COM TRT57373 MOORE*MAE BOHEMIA 8.6/3 $12.64 TRISTAR 8/9 This is the only entry on the CDConnection for Mae Moore. Is this the album she did with Steve ? For those interested, try telnet cdconnection.com. They've got stacks of CDs you can order. My office is putting together a pretty sizeable order. Brian From mrg@mame.mu.OZ.AU Mon Jul 25 20:43 PDT 1994 Cc: Church Subject: Re: CDConnection.COM <2E359A7B@msmail.trl.oz.au> From: matthew green > >TRT57373 MOORE*MAE BOHEMIA 8.6/3 > $12.64 TRISTAR 8/9 > >This is the only entry on the CDConnection for Mae Moore. Is this the album >she did with Steve ? For those interested, try telnet cdconnection.com. > They've got stacks of CDs you can order. My office is putting together a >pretty sizeable order. yes, it is that cd. it's also brilliant. some wonderful (no i am NOT sucking ;) guy on this list sent it to me for my birthday this year... ;-) mmm, mass cd's. btw: i was walking past our reception yesterday, and i heard business woman on the receptionist's radio (jjj again).. they're certainly playing a lot of the album - i've heard it a fair bit and i never listen to the radio if i have a choice ;-) .mrg. From BSmith@VCOMTELC.TELECOM.com.au Mon Jul 25 22:36 PDT 1994 From: "Smith, Brian" Subject: Re: CDConnection.COM mrg writes > btw: i was walking past our reception yesterday, and i heard > business woman on the receptionist's radio (jjj again).. they're > certainly playing a lot of the album - i've heard it a fair bit > and i never listen to the radio if i have a choice ;-) > Since its getting lots of airplay, could Bill@Arista give us some indication on the sales figures that SA has generated ? Is it HUGE ? Or just Impressive ? Or disappointing. Basically, is the record company going to pay for the next Church album ? Brian From matthew.blair@afrc.ac.uk Tue Jul 26 05:41 PDT 1994 Content-Identifier: 1187D3691900 From: BLAIRM Subject: what *does* the 'b' stand for ? Sensitivity: Company-Confidential timB writes >killing guitars should be a crime and i think Andrew Eldritch is such a jerk >that he'd knowk your block off if you knocked off his hat. although he is >quite skinny and doesn't look very strong. Killing guitars *should* be a crime, though I've done it before. My band (or rather, the band I play guitar for) played a gig a few months back, which was so atrocious, I got really p*ssed off and threw my guitar off stage, then jumped on it from a great height. That really did the trick !! We also got banned from ever playing that place again !! You'd think nobody else had ever trashed a guitar before. Next day (once I'd calmed down, and sobered up) i was just a bit upset with myself. >I'd transcribe it if i could remember it at this second, but I do remember that >it starts on the B string and uses like 0, 1 and 3rd frets in some weird >hammer on/pull-off combo. i still laugh every song i hear it in. esp. >deliverance.... Also, from your comments about Eldritch, timB, does the B stand for Bricheno, thus making you Tim Bricheno, ex-All About Eve, and Sisters ? In that case you should just ask Wayne for a transcription of 'the Mission lick'. hehehe sorry, just joking ;) I might have the guitar tab for Deliverance somewhere, if you're interested. Apologies for not mentioning the church, but just to make up for it, here's my top ten favourite bands....sorry, bad joke. I did have something to write about a church song from 'A Quick Smoke...' sounding like a Bauhaus song, but I just can't remember the church song, or the Bauhaus one, for the moment anyway. Later, MAtt. From matthew.blair@afrc.ac.uk Tue Jul 26 06:12 PDT 1994 Content-Identifier: 1187D38C0E00 From: BLAIRM Subject: making up for my earlier babblings Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Hi, While wandering through the 'net I came across this in alt.music.alternative >Howdy >I have a few cool Church and band related items for sale >If interested Email me for details >Thanks >rob >at robertz919@delphi.com I'm gonna mail him for details. Hope this make up for my earlier ramblings. BTW, for any Midnight Oil fans out there, here's info on the mailing list address. >For all those Oil fans the address for the mailing list has changed to >subscribe the address is majordomo@cs.colorado.edu in the body of message >type subscribe powderworks then the regular address if >powderworks@cs.colorado.edu MAtt. From rcr@u.washington.edu Wed Jul 27 14:09 PDT 1994 Wed, 27 Jul 94 13:58:23 -0700 From: Rhonda Corcoran Subject: Mail Ordering Hi! Just a quick post to mention that Sound City 2000 will begin offering complete CD productions from Australia. They don't say when this will happen, but sounds like soon. I've ordered thru them at least 1/2 dozen times and have found them very reliable (altho, sometimes a little pricy). I don't have any other place to get import-only-Oz music, so I'm really happy about this. They're located in Portland, Oregon and their number is (503)654-2196, if you would like to receive a catalog of the cd's and singles they offer. Sorry if this is starting to sound like a plug. Church related news: none really except that the local college radio station (KCMU) has happily played Day of the Dead, Angelica and Freeze to Burn for me in the last week and a 1/2. I love hearing the Church boom out of my radio, hopefully infecting un-suspecting listeners out in la-la land. :) Rhonda From BSmith@VCOMTELC.TELECOM.com.au Wed Jul 27 18:21 PDT 1994 From: "Smith, Brian" Subject: Ploog sighting ! Yes, he's back ! A cousin of mine was at the Fox & Hounds last night (here in Melbourne, Australia) and the erstwhile Mr. Ploog was drumming with another band (*sniff*). I got this message through my mother, who promptly forgot the name of the band he was with, so I can't say much more than that he was seen. Mr. Horan, any ideas who was at the F&H last night ? Brian Smith From brenta@microsoft.com Thu Jul 28 00:51 PDT 1994 X-Msmail-Message-Id: 5E3CC40B X-Msmail-Conversation-Id: 5E3CC40B X-Msmail-Wiseremark: These pretzels are making me thirsty From: Brent Aliverti Subject: RE: Mail Ordering Morten and co plugged Red Eye a while back, and I'll do it now. I ordered a bunch of stuff from them a couple weeks back. I faxed them my requests. The next day they faxed me pricing info. I faxed them my order with Visa Number, and in about a week I had my CD's. Album length CD's worked out to about $25 (ouch!) and CD-singles worked out to about $10, once shipping was factored in. Here's their mail order info once again: Red Eye Records Pty Ltd GPO Box 211 Sydney 2001 Australia Fax 61 2 223 5219 international access code from the US is 011 And if anyone is interested, here's what I ordered (no Church stuff): Paul Kelly and the Messengers - Hidden Things Paul Kelly - Wanted Man Not Drowning, Waving - Penmon CD-5 Not Drowning, Waving - Spark CD-5 My Friend the Chocolate Cake - Throwing it Away CD-5 Bridie/Phillips - Projects For any of you Not Drowning, Waving fans, I recommend picking up the new album by My Friend the Chocolate Cake, "Brood". Also, the Bridie/Phillips "Projects" CD is excellent!...it is a compilation of soundtrack work they have done over the past ten years....nice variety of styles. (Sorry for no Church content) From mori0019@gold.tc.umn.edu Thu Jul 28 07:11 PDT 1994 From: Keith K Morioka Subject: Re: miming Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM On Mon, 25 Jul 1994, timB wrote: > >Also, the video for Reptile gives some pretty good shots of Peter harmonizing > >and playing at the same time (no small feat!). > > > > Easy if your miming. I know the video's supposed to look live, but they're > >obviously miming along to the record. Or the record was dubbed over the top > >of a live performance, in which case they could all be playing a load of tripe. > > yeah, like most videos, the song IS dubbed over live footage, making you > think that Peter sings perfect backup vocals, but Steve probablly wouldn;t > settle for anything less I was at the concert that they filmed the video at, and yes they dubbed the music over the performance. Also, all close up shots of the band were done before the concert ever even started. I was sitting outside the Guthrie Theatre here in Minneapolis, and they wouldn't let anyone in, the concert was delayed at least an hour to an hour an a half, but when sitting outside, I just kept hearing Reptile over and over, and over again, so I asked the usher what was going on and he said that they were shooting a video. All live images were aactually filmed when they played Reptile during the concert, but whenever they show a close up, it was done before the show started. It was also one of the best concerts I have ever been too, they played for 2 hours... Keith From powell@Kodak.COM Thu Jul 28 07:30 PDT 1994 From: "Richard W. Powell x71123/ESD/8-23-KP" Reply-To: "Richard W. Powell x71123/ESD/8-23-KP" Subject: No Church Content > (Sorry for no Church content) Personally, I don't care if the Church is mentioned in each of our messages. I look at our list as a bunch of people that like music, particularly the Church. Does anyone else feel differently? Thanks Rhonda, Brent, & everyone else, for the addresses and phone numbers. Of artists mentioned on this list: I just took a chance on a Clouds EP and now I plan on getting the JudyBats new one. I just heard a fantastic new song by them on the radio this morning. - thanks again, Dick From pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Thu Jul 28 13:53 PDT 1994 From: pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Subject: old news II Cc: pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu I tried this a minute ago, and something got screwed up, so you may have already seen this, but in a disjointed way. So once again......I found a book at a flea market called "the New Rock and Roll" which was from 1983, and was an encyclopedia of all the bands around at that point. So here's what they said about The Church. Also, due to the recent talk about Ignatius Jones, I included the blurb about him too. Sorry if the margins etc. are screwed up, but this computer is acting up. The first line of Kilbey's quote should read "I like synthesizers...." ke synthesizers but I don't like synthesizers in The Church. That's a bit like putting Elizabeth I in a sports car. I want to keep the chime, it's such a lyrical sound" -Steve Kilbey The Church began in Sydney, Australia, in April 1980 as a trio. Steve Kilbey (bass and vocals) and Peter Koppes (lead guitar), before teaming up with drummer Nick Ward, had spent a few years writing and recording songs in Steve's bedroom studio. Steve had originally come from Canberra, where he had played in various bands with Dave Studdert, including Tactics. Son after formation The Church became a quartet with the addition of Marty Willson-Piper (guitar), freshly arrived from England where he had been an itinerant busker. After playing a few gigs in Sydney's smaller pubs, the group decided to pool their resources and record a four-track demo in Steve's bedroom. Eventually The Church's demo reached the hands of Chris Gilbey of ATV Northern Songs, who not only signed Kilbey to a publishing deal but also the band to a recording contract. The Church's debut single, "She Never Said", was released in November 1980, but it was their second single, "The Unguarded Moment", released in February 1981, that broke the band. It went top 20 and suddenly The Church and their ethereal, Byrds-influenced Sixties-styled pop was the hottest sound in Australia. The debut album "Of Skins and Heart", was released in March and reached the top 30. It had been recorded back in 1980 and produced by Chris Gilbey, who then sent the tapes to America for remixing by Bob Clearmountain. Soon after release, Nick Ward was replaced by Richard Ploog from Adelaide. In late 1981, The Church released a five-track double EP, again produced by Gilbey and mixed by Clearmountain. The second LP, "The Blurred Crusade", was released in February 1982 and the first single from it was "Almost With You", which reached top 40. Following an Australian tour, the group journeyed to the UK and Europe to tour and promote the release of their first album there, on which some tracks were replaced by EP songs. In late 1982 The Church released a 12 inch EP, "Sing Songs", to mark their return to Australia. It was highlighted by a stunning version of Paul Simon's "I Am A Rock". Album three, "Seance", followed. Ignatius Jones Ignatius Jones reached legendary status in Australian rock by fronting the outrageous and often obscene shock/horror group, Jimmy and the Boys, who pioneered the use of theatrical trappings for Australian bands. Their act featured S&M, transvestism, self-mutilation, drug abuse, inebriation, simulated sex and mock rape in a blisteringly-paced tribute to cultural degeneracy. Since formation in 1976, the central duo of Ignatius and transvestite keyboards player Joylene Hairmouth was surrounded by various combinations of backing musicians. Though the group only recorded two studio albums, "Not Like Everybody Else" from 1980 and 1981's "Teddy Boys Picnic", they were one of the most popular live acts in Australia. In 1981 they scored their only top 10 single with "They Won't Let My Girlfriend Talk To Me", written by Split Enz leader, Tim Finn. In January 1982 Jimmy and the Boys broke up and, shortly after, Ignatius moved to the theatre stage, playing the dual roles of Eddy and Dr. Scott in the Australian revival of "The Rocky Horror Show". This wasn't the first time Ignatius, born of Spanish parents in Manila, had been involved with non rock'n'roll areas of performance. From an early age he'd been involved with drama and at the age of 16 he joined a major ballet company, but unfortunately he broke both his ankles shortly after, which somewhat curtailed his dancing career, though it did not dull a stunning evil wit. In early 1982 Ignatius released his first solo single, "Like a Ghost", which was penned by The Church's Steve Kilbey. This has become a hot dance club favorite on the American west coast. At the end of 1982 Jimmy and the Boys temporarily reformed for a national tour, which resulted in a live album, "In Hell With Your Mother". At last report, Warner Bros had signed him to a six-album American recording deal. From KDSCHMITT@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu Thu Jul 28 19:01 PDT 1994 28 Jul 1994 22:01:58 -0400 (EDT) From: KDSCHMITT@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu Subject: unsubscribe Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT i have to shut down shop. could some kind soul tell me exactly how to unsubscribe to the list? thanks in advance. --der schmitt From mrg@mame.mu.OZ.AU Thu Jul 28 19:15 PDT 1994 Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Subject: Re: unsubscribe <01HF9766WLO691XR3G@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu> From: matthew green >i have to shut down shop. >could some kind soul tell me exactly how to unsubscribe to the list? >thanks in advance. you'll have to wait. just mail morten.skjefte@thechurch.ebay.sun.com and wait for him to get back. obchurch: um. does anyone else find 'earthed' the most amazing music to trip (not the drug sense) out to? i struggle to find better, though, the klf's chill out (rather unlike their `well known' music), and some of the orb's stuff comes close. hmm? From gsa@panix.com Thu Jul 28 19:48 PDT 1994 From: Gary Assa Subject: 800 can someone please post the 800 numberso I can call and find out if there is any tour news, etc. --------------------------------------------------- 1. Earth is 98% full. Please delete anyone you can. 2. I came, I saw, I deleted all your files. 3. The world will end in 5 minutes. Please log out. From matthew.blair@afrc.ac.uk Fri Jul 29 01:56 PDT 1994 Content-Identifier: 1187EA790500 From: BLAIRM Subject: stuff for sale Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Dick writes >Personally, I don't care if the Church is mentioned in each of our >messages. I look at our list as a bunch of people that like music, >particularly the Church. Does anyone else feel differently? I feel the same way you do, Dick, though I did cheat, and mention the church this time. It's kinda difficult to come up with something new on the church all the time, but here's mine. Earlier I posted about a guy selling church stuff. Here's his reply >ARISTA ADP 9713 SUM OF THE PARTS >RADIO SAMPLER >SIDE A:CANDID INTERVIEWS WITH THE BAND >SIDE B:ACOUSTIC VERSIONS OF "UNDER THE MILKY WAY", "ANTENNA" AND >"SPARK" >RECORDED AT CREATION AUDIO, MINNEAPOLIS, MN MARCH 1988 >RYKO Promo Lp >RBD 042/46/46 Three Church Members Found >Interview with Kilbey, Koppes, and Wilson-Piper >Interview by Carter Allan >Each are $10.00 plus Postage and handling >Arista ADP9718 Reptile Promo 12 inch (rock radio Remix) $6.00 plus >postage >Arista AL8521 Starfish Promo LP Stamped $6.00 plus P&H >Email me back ny July 2 if you find anything of interest >Cheers >Rob Well I would've been interested, but July 2 ? Just a bit late. Wonder why he bothered to post a reply to me. MAtt. From MADHOUSE94@aol.com Fri Jul 29 06:39 PDT 1994 From: MADHOUSE94@aol.com Sender: "MADHOUSE94" Subject: tour There is the possibilty of an August/September tour...as soon as information is available either way I will post it. Bill From rfd@buclaa.bu.edu Fri Jul 29 11:16 PDT 1994 From: rfd@buclaa.bu.edu (Richard F. Delano) Subject: Church article The current issue of Boston Rocks has an article on The Church that includes some interesting comments from Marty. For the most part, the article tells us what we already know. But I've decided to type the middle of the article to the end. There is some interesting information here. TWO FOR ONE SAIL THE CHURCH by Rey Roldan (the previous paragraph mentions Peter Koppes' leaving) "We thought about splitting the band up or naming it something else, but Steve and I realized that the Church was always the two of us with other people around. And we knew that we could still write great songs. Our side projects are still just that. My side project All About Eve is split up, but I'm still working with the other two Eves, Andy and Mark, in a band called Never Swallow Stars. We haven't gotten a deal yet; Arista passed on it. Steve's got a solo thing called Fate that he's been working on. Plus, we have our own studios that we're hoping to turn into businesses. But the Church isn't over yet. We still know how to write great songs together." ************************************************************************ The end of the article will be sent in a seperate post. It has some interesting information about Arista and the new album. Rich Boston Univ. From rfd@buclaa.bu.edu Fri Jul 29 11:41 PDT 1994 From: rfd@buclaa.bu.edu (Richard F. Delano) Subject: Church article (cont.) Here's the rest as promised: ******************************************************************* The great songs the duo wrote together-alone were so plentiful that they wanted to release SOMETIME ANYWHERE as a double disc, but Arista felt the jacked-up price of a double set would hurt sales. Arista limited the songs to 13 and included, as a special offer to the first 25,000 buyers, a second disc with another seven songs. Unfortunately for the Church, the songs that made it onto the actual album aren't the ones the band wanted. "The songs on disc two are extra songs we recorded for the album and should not, I repeat, should not be considered songs that didn't make the album," he [MWP] snarls sharply. "They're as good as the songs that did make the album. It's a damn shame that those songs are going to be classified as 'not as serious' just because they're on another CD. 'Cut in Two' and 'The Time Being' were our first choices for the album. Arista, who usually doesn't get creatively involved with us, wanted 'Business Woman' and 'Authority' on the record, which we resent and did not want on the record. 'Authority' and 'Business Woman' should NOT be on the record. Underlined. Italicized. 'Cut in Two' and 'The Time Being' should be on the record." "I don't think that it's the record company's business, to tell you the truth, especially if the songs are not singles. They have this theory of 'oh, we wanted the record out more in a pop way' and then we get intellectual journalists calling us up and saying, 'What the fuck is 'Business Woman' doing on your album?!' So who's fucking making the right decision there? Arista supports us, tries hard, spends money on us and they're working to make our record successful, but that's a gripe." Understandably, those two songs don't mesh well with the general feel of the album. "Business Woman" has a rather '70s prog-rock feel to it, somewhat Allman Brothers-like and completely unhip. But the Church have never been really hip or trendy. When their music hit it big with "Under the Milky Way" and "Reptile," it hit in a radical, weird pop way, rather like Radiohead's "Creep" or Timbuk 3's "The Future's So Bright." It was way too buff and opaque for the polished pop world, but somehow it worked. Whether SOMETIME ANYWHERE makes it in a similar fashion is anyone's guess (predictions run high for another breakthrough), but the Church know how square they are. Willson-Piper is even first to offer his view: "We're unfashionably layered. Very anti-pop and anti-rock. And I'm much too damn cynical." *************************************************************************** Rich Boston Univ. From powell@Kodak.COM Fri Jul 29 13:58 PDT 1994 From: "Richard W. Powell x71123/ESD/8-23-KP" Reply-To: "Richard W. Powell x71123/ESD/8-23-KP" Subject: RE: Boston Article MWP: > 'Authority' and 'Business Woman' should NOT be on the record. > Underlined. Italicized. 'Cut in Two' and 'The Time Being' should be on > the record." What? Drop 2 of my favorites tracks?!?! He's lost his mind! Actually, Arista may have been better off by: First, giving the Church their preferred (& commercially weaker) album, highlighted only by "The Time Being". Finally, cleaning up with an "un-sanctioned" & "unofficial" EP loaded with considerably more commercial potential, featuring "Business Woman", "Authority", and "Leave Your Clothes On". Both The Church and Arista would have retained their "cool factor" by releasing a non commercial album, while at the same time, making enough money to do another album someday in the future. Now everyone's happy! (It must be Friday!!!!) - have a great weekend, Dick From @PUCC.PRINCETON.EDU:SG938Q7H@DUVM.OCS.DREXEL.EDU Fri Jul 29 23:31 PDT 1994 From: Susan Zalenski Subject: more random bits Just a few items that have been cluttering my mind... Perhaps those in the land of OZ can answer this one: regarding the blurb from the "New Rock" Encyclopedia--it suggests that the Church made it pretty big with OS&H (in Austrailia). Is that true, more or less? Whereas the rest of the world didn't discover them until Starfish, were they always fairly well known in their "hometown"? I'm trying to get a handle on this. To me, it seems as if they should be big, really BIG,in Austrailia by now. What exactly has been the topography of their popularity? Another thread that I found interesting and reassuring: there have been a couple of statements regarding MWP's physical being. Namely, how damn good looking he is. I realize that this list is pretty much run by men, and I have been reluctant to mention this mainly because I don't want to be accused of being a fan only because the band is good-looking. But you have to admit that the Church, especially as a four-some, were easy on the eyes. I truely realized that after watching the "Jokes" video. The four of them are/ were quite attractive in addition to the fact that as a band,they looked GREAT. Like they fit together perfectly. I got the same sensation as I do when I see old Beatles footage. Well, maybe that has something to do with being a huge fan....:) And in those videos, almost every one capitalizes on SK's face (wearing various amounts of make-up). I often patronize a copy center here in Philadelphia. One of the guys who works there could pass for SK, no contest. On my 5th visit or so, I told him. Turns out that that is how he "got" his present girlfriend; she too noticed the resemblance. Funny though, the other day when I was in there (I always refer to him as Steve and the rest of the staff always corrects me) he asked me if the SK look-alike business is a good thing or a bad thing. "Oh, it's a VERY good thing. You ought to know that by now." SueZ From anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Sat Jul 30 22:32 PDT 1994 Reply-To: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Organization: Xymox UUCP System, Melbourne Australia From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Re: Ploog sighting ! Brian asks: > A cousin of mine was at the Fox & Hounds last night (here in Melbourne, > Australia) and the erstwhile Mr. Ploog was drumming with another band > (*sniff*). I got this message through my mother, who promptly forgot the > name of the band he was with, so I can't say much more than that he was > seen. Mr. Horan, any ideas who was at the F&H last night ? None! I checked all the relevant gig guides, checked the various Fox And Hounds ads, and asked every other music writer at Beat. As far as I can establish, there wasn't a band on last Wednesday at the Fox And Hounds! :) -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au those herbal-tea moments." - Caroline Sullivan of The Guardian reviewing the new "Victoria Amos" album. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Sat Jul 30 22:33 PDT 1994 Reply-To: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Organization: Xymox UUCP System, Melbourne Australia From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Re: Hoodoo Gurus Tim writes: > 4. Hoodoo Gurus?!!?! Stoneage Romeos is one of my Top 10 ever! > I heard Dave and the boys have a new album out but it hasn't been released in > the US yet, only Australia. Can anyone confirm this? The current Hoodoos album, finished late last year but released here last March, is "Crank". It's their best in years, and includes the storming send-up of Boston and their ilk - called "Less Than A Feeling"! It is indeed only out in Australia and New Zealand; their manager (who also manages Margot Smith) was in the US recently shopping for a new US record deal for them. I havn't spoken to him since he got back, so I don't know how he went. > 7. Um, sorry for 3 non-church points. Sorry for my one. :) -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au those herbal-tea moments." - Caroline Sullivan of The Guardian reviewing the new "Victoria Amos" album. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Sat Jul 30 22:43 PDT 1994 Reply-To: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Organization: Xymox UUCP System, Melbourne Australia From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: RE: Mail Ordering Brent writes: > Morten and co plugged Red Eye a while back, and I'll do it now. I > ordered a bunch of stuff from them a couple weeks back. I faxed them > my requests. The next day they faxed me pricing info. I faxed them my > order with Visa Number, and in about a week I had my CD's. Album > length CD's worked out to about $25 (ouch!) and CD-singles worked out > to about $10, once shipping was factored in. That's a good price, considering that the retail price of album CDs here is AUS$28-30 and singles AUS$5-8. The exchange rate sits at about AUS$1 to US$0.72 usually. Your US$25 price works out at about AUS$34.70, which is not too bad considering that it costs me $6 for postage and packing to mail a CD overseas; mail prices drastically escalate once you get over 500 grams, by the way. CDs are very, very expensive here, that's just the way it is. I can buy a US import of Mae Moore's "Bohemia" here for $28 - while the locally pressed version retails at $30.99! And they wonder why it didn't sell... -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au those herbal-tea moments." - Caroline Sullivan of The Guardian reviewing the new "Victoria Amos" album. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Sat Jul 30 22:54 PDT 1994 Reply-To: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Organization: Xymox UUCP System, Melbourne Australia From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Re: advice for arista about releases John says: > The Church have obviously released a lot of material in the album > proper, and might not have that many other recordings from this session > available. But we fans would be happy to get any oddities, no matter how > undeveloped. I believe that a band usually submits demo versions of songs > to its record company before then recording the album versions. But the record company does not necessarily have the right to release them. If the band doesn't want the demos released (and many artists and bands do not) then it's unlikely that even if the record company did have the rights, they'd release them. Who'd want to put an artist off-side for a b-side? > I imagine that when the Church record a song, it may reach a > considerable length (as all good things do) and then is cut down to > fit onto the album. Possibly, possibly not. I doubt it. That's a highly unusual method of recording, and actually negates the point you made earlier about the fact that edited-down versions as singles just don't work. Kilbey himself edited one of the single versions of "Two Places At Once", didn't he? > Unreleased versions of Aura, Dome, Chaos and especially Film > Acoustic versions of SF, GAF and P=A songs If they exist... > 4. Maybe there could be enough to scrape together an album... 'A Quick > Smoke at Spot's ' is one of my fave albums. Are there any plans to release > a similar album in '95? "A Quick Smoke" was compiled for Mushroom, and I'd imagine any further compilation of that sort would be on the initiative of Mushroom or the band themselves. > 5. AND, when are you going to put out a live album? Concentrate on stuff > from the SF, GAF and especially P=A tours, and add on 40 minutes or so of > the SA acoustic tour. Make it a double album. Once again this assumes that such recordings exist. They very well may not, and if they do, the quality may not be sufficient for release. Just because it's on tape doesn't mean the band or artist wants it out there. Lots of material never gets released at all. > This probably seems wildly unrealistic. Well, if you don't promote you > won't get sales. There was a more than 2 year gap between P=A and SA, and > I think that definitely hurt sales - the Church need to be more visible. The blame for this, unfortunately, rests with the band, not with Arista. Mushroom here in Australia have been trying to set up interviews with Kilbey to promote the album for months, but he has so far not done any, much to their chagrin. > Bands like the House of Love and the J&M Chain put out an album every year > (although they tend to be crap). :-) Kilbey is a bit busy putting out other people's albums, though (Mae Moore, Margot Smith, Steven Cummings, Jack Frost, and a Church album all in the one year isn't a bad record :-) (Oh OK, so the Margot stuff was recorded in 1992, so who's counting :) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au those herbal-tea moments." - Caroline Sullivan of The Guardian reviewing the new "Victoria Amos" album. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mrg@mame.mu.OZ.AU Sun Jul 31 03:58 PDT 1994 Subject: Re: Mail Ordering <9407311635.1jlg@xymox.apana.org.au> From: matthew green >mail prices drastically escalate once you get over 500 grams, by the way. no shit! i just sent some cd's to our beloved morten ;-), and if i sent them all at once, it would have cost me $25. i split it into 2 packages, and it was $14... >CDs are very, very expensive here, that's just the way it is. I can buy a US >import of Mae Moore's "Bohemia" here for $28 - while the locally pressed >version retails at $30.99! And they wonder why it didn't sell... mmm, my copy of bohemia was a special import from america... ;) does anyone like anne's _everyday is a revolution_ on her _hidden treasures_ album? i can't stand it - yet every other song is great... hmmm.. .mrg. From anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Sun Jul 31 09:46 PDT 1994 Reply-To: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Organization: Xymox UUCP System, Melbourne Australia From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Re: more random bits Sue unclutters her mind: > Perhaps those in the land of OZ can answer this one: regarding the blurb from > the "New Rock" Encyclopedia--it suggests that the Church made it pretty big > with OS&H (in Austrailia). Is that true, more or less? Whereas the rest of the > world didn't discover them until Starfish, were they always fairly well known > in their "hometown"? Yep. While "She Never Said" was a relative flop, "The Unguarded Moment" was a huge hit and still gets played on radio here; ditto for "Almost With You", while "The Blurred Crusade" was regarded at the time as one of the most important Australian albums of the decade. "Seance" didn't do as well, but by this stage you would be seeing "It's No Reason" on pop TV shows like "Sounds", "Countdown" and so on. "Electric Lash" was a minor hit. I recall something of a Church backlash around the time "Starfish" came out - "The Church being produced by WADDY WACHTEL??? The guy that used to produce LINDA RONSTADT??? They recorded in AMERICA??? Ugh!" was the general first reaction. :-) > I'm trying to get a handle on this. To me, it seems as > if they should be big, really BIG,in Austrailia by now. What exactly has been > the topography of their popularity? Bigger earlier in a commercial sense, much more a cult following now. They lost the "rock" audience they had from the first two albums when "Seance" wierded people out (and delighted people like me :). They're often thought of as an "80s" band here. People only remember the hits, and it's been a while since The Church had one - though "Ripple" did pretty well. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au those herbal-tea moments." - Caroline Sullivan of The Guardian reviewing the new "Victoria Amos" album. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From BSmith@VCOMTELC.TELECOM.com.au Sun Jul 31 18:02 PDT 1994 From: "Smith, Brian" Cc: Church Subject: Re: Mail Ordering > does anyone like anne's _everyday is a revolution_ on her > _hidden treasures_ album? i can't stand it - yet every > other song is great... > That's the song I always forward the CD to ! It's the only when where (A) you can hear Marty clearly and (B) It doesn't like like Roxette or some or Swedish Pop Machine. Apologies to Morten and his countrymen, but there's a certain "sameness" that seems to run through the songs; and it feels like I'm listening to Roxette. It's not just a Swedish phenomenon either. In Australia we have a rash of bands that seem to have been cloned. I hope they'll all go away soon. :) > .mrg. > Brian From BSmith@VCOMTELC.TELECOM.com.au Sun Jul 31 19:44 PDT 1994 From: "Smith, Brian" Subject: Sales Figures ? Bill, How 'bout them sales figures ? Is the album doing great/average/indifferent business ? Would it have helped had Steve & Marty done more interviews ? Does that usually push sales higher ? Many questions...few answers. Brian From john.brownosullivan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Mon Aug 1 02:08 PDT 1994 X-Sender: ou005076@brandywine.otago.ac.nz From: john.brownosullivan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (John Brown-O'Sullivan) Subject: yo Bill! and, the Church's popularity in Oz What Anthony said about the Church's popularity in Oz reminded me that I have asked a few australians about them. Two guys from Sydney had never heard of them, despite being 'into' rock music. My half-sister from the Blue Mountains had a copy of OS&H, but she had heard nothing further (I loaned her P=A; she listened to the first 3 songs and returned it without comment). My uncle (from Sydney) hadn't heard of them, while my aunt knew they were some kind of Sydney outfit, and had been around for years. Truly, few commercial bands seem to live in a black hole of obscurity the way the Church does. p.s. if SK is in Sweden, maybe he, Marty and Martin Rossel are recording the next Church album! p.p.s. does anyone know if Martin Rossel is now a regular member of the Church? I sincerely hope so - the more live drumming, the better p.p.p.s as was pointed out to me, Arista had nowt to do with a quick smoke at spots. sorry Bill, why the deafening silence? As a listmember and Arista employee, you should be keeping the masses (i.e. us) at fever-pitch by feeding them juicy info about chart positions etc. Oh, and when is the documentary 'An album gone wrong: the true story of Arista's criminal mishandling of the Church's latest album' coming out? John John Brown-O'Sullivan Student Zoology Department University of Otago E-mail john.brownosullivan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Address: 37 Orbell St Dalmore Dunedin (03) 473 8961 From mrg@mame.mu.OZ.AU Mon Aug 1 02:57 PDT 1994 Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Subject: Re: yo Bill! and, the Church's popularity in Oz <199408010833.AA23309@arwen.otago.ac.nz> From: matthew green >Bill, why the deafening silence? As a listmember and Arista employee, you >should be keeping the masses (i.e. us) at fever-pitch by feeding them juicy >info about chart positions etc. personally, i couldn't care about the charts - i'm only on this ride for the music. .mrg. From powell@Kodak.COM Mon Aug 1 06:00 PDT 1994 From: "Richard W. Powell x71123/ESD/8-23-KP" Reply-To: "Richard W. Powell x71123/ESD/8-23-KP" Subject: Re: yo Bill! and, the Church's popularity in Oz > personally, i couldn't care about the charts - i'm only > on this ride for the music. > .mrg. Dido. If someone really cares, I think most chart/sales info can be found in magazines like Billboard. - Dick From rfd@buclaa.bu.edu Mon Aug 1 08:44 PDT 1994 From: rfd@buclaa.bu.edu (Richard F. Delano) Subject: Hoodoo Gurus Sorry about the non-Church content, but this info is about two other Australian bands. The new Hoodoo Gurus album, CRANK, is scheduled to be released in the US on September 13. The Midnight Oil mailing list has moved to a new address. If you were a memeber of the old list, you must re-subscribe to the new one as the subscription list was lost in the crash. Mail subscription requests to majordomo@cs.colorado.edu In the body of the message: subscribe powderworks your id Hmm. I can't think of any obligatory Church content. Rich Boston Univ. From powell@Kodak.COM Mon Aug 1 11:18 PDT 1994 Reply-To: powell@Kodak.COM From: Richard Powell Subject: Trouser Press - 85 ed. Here's another mid-80's article on the Church. I've seen much more recent editions of this Trouser Press book, and I'm sure that they've updated their comments on the Church as well. Anyway, this is what they looked like to someone a decade ago: - Dick *********************************************************** Publisher: New Trouser Press Record Guide (New York, USA) Issue: 2nd edition Date: May, 1985 *********************************************************** THE CHURCH by Jim Green & Ira Robbins Of Skins and Heart (Aus.Parlophone) 1981 The Church (Capitol/Carrere) 1982 The Blurred Crusade (nr/Carrere) 1982 & 1985 Seance (nr/Carrere) 1983 & 1985 Remote Luxury (Warner Bros./Carrere) 1984 Of all the comparisons the Australian foursome's music may conjure up, the most helpful is perhaps that the Church is to the Beatles (musically) and early Bowie (lyrically and vocally) what Dire Straits is to Bob Dylan, circa 1966. Such a simplification is less unfair than you'd think; Marty Wilson-Piper explores the guitar territory first mapped out by George Harrison and John Lennon but in greater detail and with a more practiced hand, while Steve Kilbey chants/talks/ sings articulate lyrics with a world-weary melancholy, like early Bowie, but drier and more forceful. The Church, consisting of most of the first Australian LP plus the best of a subsequent double-45 release, has much to offer in its gorgeous guitar sound-scapes and evocative verbal imagery, but The Blurred Crusade displays dangerous tendencies toward confessional long-windedness amid melodies stretched too thin. Seance never found its way to America, but the band finally got a proper shot in this country with Remote Luxury, an attractive, often Byrdslike album of shimmering folk-rock hampered a bit by Kilbey's overly oblique lyrics. The Church is capable of great beauty, but their appeal is sometimes obscured by their pretensions. ***END*** From Thad.Engeling@ccmail.natinst.com Mon Aug 1 15:46 PDT 1994 From: Thad.Engeling@ccmail.natinst.com (Thad Engeling) Subject: Re: A new thread Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Content-Description: cc:Mail note part > I just wanted to make you guys aware of a couple of the "published > musicians" on the list. I know of one other published musician on the list, or at least he used to be on the list. He went by Polar Bear, and was in a band called Minor Ninth. Are you still out there PB? I got a tape from him entitled "Spiritual Disco", but I think the band broke up shortly after that release. > Paul Noe is the guitarist (I hope I remembered _that_ right :) for the > JudyBats. I'm sure you've heard of them. Their 4th album, "Full Empty", The Judybats are a cool band, and quite fun to see live. I thought they suffered a bit from the departure of the female vocalist/keyboardist, but still managed to put out a very good album with "Pain Makes You Beautiful". It took me a few listens before I really liked it. My favorite album is still the first one: "Native Son" - highly recommended. later on, Thad "This isn't death, this is just a textural event" From BSmith@VCOMTELC.TELECOM.com.au Tue Aug 2 00:26 PDT 1994 From: "Smith, Brian" Cc: Church Subject: Re: Sales Figures ? Bill@Arista wrote: > If I recall a single was not released for Two Places At Once..just a promo > cd. Not in Australia. It was a full blown "You Can Buy It In The Shops" single. The album version of TPAO plus 2 edits. Not inspirational enough to make me want to buy it. > The new single is a double A-side: Business Woman/Loveblind. *Tssssssss* (You know the expensive "sucking in breath* sound that mechanics make when you ask what the damage is ?) Isn't it a little contentious putting out one of the songs that the MUSICIANS said they didn't want on the album ? If I were Steve or Marty I'd feel that was adding insult to injury. Not only did the record company force a song they didn't want onto the album, but they then release it as a single ! Maybe they won't want to work through Arista in future. Actually, I happen to like Business Woman. Its a big harmony song, whose complexity makes for repeated interesting listens. (Huh ?) And Loveblind is cool too. BUT I hope you're joking about this choice of songs. Firstly you put the band offside by releasing a song they don't think is representative of their work. Secondly, there's NO NEW TRACKS ! It's been said over and over again by members of this list that we would buy ANYTHING so long as there was NEW music on it. Just get Steve doped up and stick a guitar in his hand, we don't CARE ! If those are the only two songs on the album, please tell me, why on Earth would I or anyone else who owns the album, bother buying it. Don't forget what kind of fans the Church have. Most of us either have all their stuff, or are trying to get all their stuff. I've never met a "partial" Church fan. You either go nuts over them or ignore them. By including something new you'd almost guarantee that a whacking great proportion of us would buy said single. My personal choice is "Unsubstantiated" from Tequila Sunrise. Please reconsider those songs. Brian Smith From matthew.blair@afrc.ac.uk Tue Aug 2 02:44 PDT 1994 Content-Identifier: 118812A30F00 From: BLAIRM Subject: RE: re: A new thread Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Help !!! I'm getting snowed under by a mail message from Thad, about Polar Bear and the Judybats. So far this morning I've received about 6 squillion of the same message. Is it just me, or is anyone else suffering. Or perhaps smone is trying to plug the Judybats ;) Ok...I give in...I'll buy your record. Also, I just checked out the sisters of mercy mailing list. Jeez ! There's about 2 or 3 ok people on it. The rest sound like posers or whiners. Not the the people on this list :) Everybody here's cool. I've had SA (vinyl - I've got the SA/SE cd, but I'm still a vinyl junkie) on order from a local record shop for quite some time now, and when I checked them yesterday, they reckoned it would be another 2 weeks. That's what they said 2 weeks ago !! Bill, or anyone else, do you know if SA *is* available on vinyl in the UK ? or am I just wasting my time ? Lastly. I heard Pink Floyd's new single (High Hopes ?) It *really* reminded me of some of MWP's work (esp the Spirt Level LP) Well got to go now MAtt. From MADHOUSE94@aol.com Tue Aug 2 07:13 PDT 1994 From: MADHOUSE94@aol.com Sender: "MADHOUSE94" Subject: Vinyl Album is available on vinyl in US and I think you would be getting an import but I will check with our international department. On a side note, when people ask me specific questions I usually e-mail to them and not the list. So it may see like a have little presence (which I do compared to some of the fans). If you have questions about The Church or any Arista artist, feel free to e-mail me. PS. The Spirtualized album may be moved out of OCtober release and re-scheduled for later in the year. Bill From Gregg.Fowler@ccmail.natinst.com Tue Aug 2 07:33 PDT 1994 From: Gregg.Fowler@ccmail.natinst.com (Gregg Fowler) Subject: apology Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Content-Description: cc:Mail note part I wanted to apologize to everyone on the list for the multiple copies of my last message. The mail program that the MIS dept. forcd us to use sent the multiple copies. Sorry for any inconvience it may have caused. Please forgive me. I have griped at them, but they have not done anything about it, so I'm sending this from another account. The guilty program is ccmail from Lotus. again, please forgive me, Thad "This isn't death, this is just a textural event" From JBatsMail@aol.com Tue Aug 2 07:36 PDT 1994 From: JBatsMail@aol.com Sender: "JBatsMail" Subject: thad's message hello all: as an avid church follower i certainly didn't want to infect the list with any judybat nonsense - so forgive me. i've also gotten a million of the same message from thad. even though our new album is out today, i had nothing to do with the multiple messages, though i thank thad for the kind words and the and charts and what-not, but with the church i tend to ignore all that because i've worshipped them for so long. i can imagine that the new album will be hard to push, but hopefully arista has some kind of game plan. who knows........... Paul From rfd@buclaa.bu.edu Tue Aug 2 12:01 PDT 1994 From: rfd@buclaa.bu.edu (Richard F. Delano) Subject: 2 Meter Sessies Does anyone have Vol. 1 of the 2 Meter Sessies series? I was wondering what other artists were on it, other than The Church? Also, am I to assume that the acoustic version of "Under the Milky Way" on it is not the same acoustic version that is available on some other 45's/12"s? Rich Boston Univ. From anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Tue Aug 2 19:24 PDT 1994 Reply-To: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Organization: Xymox UUCP System, Melbourne Australia From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Re: yo Bill! and, the Church's popularity in Oz Brian opines: > p.s. if SK is in Sweden, maybe he, Marty and Martin Rossel are recording > the next Church album! I guess I'll find out on Wednesday evening, when I'm doing an interview (finally!) with Steve via phone from "somewhere". :-) The transcript will, of course, end up here. > Oh, and when is the documentary 'An album gone wrong: the true story of > Arista's criminal mishandling of the Church's latest album' coming out? Right after the feature film "We Have An ALBUM out? The True Story Of The Marketing Of A Margot Smith Album By EMI". :-) - Anthony -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au those herbal-tea moments." - Caroline Sullivan of The Guardian reviewing the new "Victoria Amos" album. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From matthew.blair@afrc.ac.uk Wed Aug 3 04:11 PDT 1994 Content-Identifier: 11881B0C2600 From: BLAIRM Subject: no church content whatsoever....sorry Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Bill writes: >Album is available on vinyl in US and I think you would be getting an import >but I will check with our international department. Thanks, Bill. Paul writes : >as an avid church follower i certainly didn't want to infect the list with >any judybat nonsense - so forgive me. Hey, no need to ask forgiveness. I'm really interested in hearing the Judybats. Any records out in the UK ? MAtt :) From powell@Kodak.COM Wed Aug 3 06:20 PDT 1994 From: "Richard W. Powell x71123/ESD/8-23-KP" Reply-To: "Richard W. Powell x71123/ESD/8-23-KP" Subject: Re: 2 Meter Sessies > Rich writes: > Does anyone have Vol. 1 of the 2 Meter Sessies series? I was wondering > what other artists were on it, other than The Church? Also, am I to > assume that the acoustic version of "Under the Milky Way" on it is not > the same acoustic version that is available on some other 45's/12"s? This is part of a message I sent Morton a while ago: > Radio Records in Holland recently issued a tasty > compilation of live radio performances by 18 > different artists. Featured on the "2 Meter Sessies > Volume 1" disc (Radio Records 848 52002; marketed > by Phonogram) are acoustic performances of "Under The > Milky Way" by The Church, ..., "Beatles and The Stones" > by House Of Love, ..., and others. The article I got that info from did list several other artists, If no one has the album I will be happy to send out the whole article. From immunex!immunex.com!rubero@nwnexus.wa.com Wed Aug 3 07:44 PDT 1994 From: rubero@immunex.com Subject: Arista Drops the Ball X-Vms-Mail-To: UUCP%"SEANCE@THECHURCH.EBAY.SUN.COM" Has there ever been a worse label than Arista? Who(m) of any note besides our heroes do they "promote"? These are the people who put out flyers for GAF which gloated: "Mass Acclaim for the Church!" As if the Church were finally suitable for "mass" consumption...Or how about this quote after the unmasking of Arista's Milli Vanilli: "I don't want to say that the end justifies the means, but we sold 13 million albums..." Naw, we wouldn't confuse the two there... It's crazy what they've done with Church albums/singles, especially the neuterings of "Ripple" and "Two Places At Once". The Boston article really rams the point home- Arista dropped the ball again. I wouldn't hold my breath for a potentially awesome single like "The Time Being"/"Cut In Two" would make. On the flip side of this issue, why on earth would Steve and Marty put up with that garbage? I hope Arista doesn't possess any incriminating photos... -JPR From mosk Wed Aug 3 08:45 PDT 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Arista Slamming Have we had enough Arista slamming yet? As I sit here listening to SE I can't help but being grateful to Arista for bringing me such great music. Personally, I think Arista is doing a more than adequate job in serving the fans. How many albums do you have that are 100 mins of music for under 20 bucks? The album could easily have been released as a double album which would have cost us another 6-8 bucks. They could also have left off 2-3 tracks and released them as non-album b-sides which we would then have had to pay an additional 7-8 bucks apiece for. IF SASE had been an REM album, that's how Warner would have released it (I really detest the way REM/Warner exploit their fans). Arista considered the fans and gave us _all_ the music for under $20. I really repect that decision. I said Arista is serving the fans because I don't think the Church's music is really music for the masses. At least not the new album. Starfish was probably as close to commercialism as they will ever get. I have been trying to convince a friend of mine that the Church is the best thing since cheese-slicers, but he said that he just can't handle Steve's monotone singing. I guess it's an aquired taste. And I don't think Steve and Marty are really interested in becoming as huge (and overblown) as U2. I think they are quite comfortable where they are right now. They have fun making the music, and they seem to be able to make a decent living out of it. Can you afford to build a studio on your salary??? :-) Yes, I agree Arista has blown it in some cases, like the Ripple CD5, but then again, without them we may not have had any US releases of the older albums. Arista has at least always seemed to have an interest in the band, even though they did not make huge amounts of money on them. It would have been nice to see a poster in the local cd store, but then again how much promotion by Warner Bros did you see for the Heyday album? The only thing I can remember is seeing Mary Hart mention it on Entertainment Tonight on the day of the release. I'm not trying to suck up to Bill (he must have a huge punching bag with all our names on it in his office by now), but I thank him as a representative for Arista for supporting and releasing the Church's music. And for showing some integrity towards the fans. Enough rambling.... -m From MADHOUSE94@aol.com Wed Aug 3 10:51 PDT 1994 From: MADHOUSE94@aol.com Sender: "MADHOUSE94" Subject: Arista Hi all, It is good to get the vibe on Arista as a label, from the fans perspective; it is actuallly (sometimes) valuable information. I don't take anything personally (unless directed at me which has happened....especially my e-mail) since I am not Mr. Arista. It is obvious from a lot of comments that people don't understand how the industry works..it is label, artist, agent, manager, promotor, retial, radio, etc. They all play a key component. We wish stores would put up all the merchandise we send them (posters, flats, etc.). Singles are chosen by the artist, label, management. The new single is a double a-side as an agreement between all parties. A tour has very little to do with the label unless it is a promo tour which we did for The CHurch. The band and management put together a regular tour. If there is a desire for the band in the marketplace..they will tour. A hit single helps build a demand...thus the double a-side single. Anyway I could go on forever..if you have specific non-personal attacks or questions ask away. Bill From john.brownosullivan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Wed Aug 3 14:41 PDT 1994 X-Sender: ou005076@brandywine.otago.ac.nz From: john.brownosullivan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (John Brown-O'Sullivan) Subject: Re: yo Bill! and, the Church's popularity in Oz Anthony said: >Brian opines: > >> p.s. if SK is in Sweden, maybe he, Marty and Martin Rossel are recording >> the next Church album! That was my opinion, not Brian's John From jtehran@husc.harvard.edu Thu Aug 4 04:06 PDT 1994 From: jtehran@husc.harvard.edu Subject: Drumming, Arista, and SA/SE hey everyone, on the discussion a little while ago about drumming on church albums... good old Ploooooooooogie was an ok drummer... better than Nick Ward, but nothing terribley exciting in general... the drumming on seance is absolutely horrible to my hears, but, that has more to do with the final mix on them and that early 80s drum sound than Ploog's playing.... the drumming on the new album is also decenet but nothing thrilling... the drum machine on GAF is absolutely terrible and, as MWP said, the church really needs the human sound in its drumming... finally, that leaves me with Jay Dee.... and, man, I gotta say, the Church should have kept this guy.. I realy don't usually notice drumming unless its really bad or on a drum machine (which I tend to hate) or unless its really outstanding (rare)... as someone on the list pointed out a few months ago, Feel would notbe the incredible piece that it is without Jay Dee's drumming... also, his work on songs like Film, Dome, etc.etc. is incredible... I think MWP and SK should reconsider their decision... on the whole Arista-bashing subject... first of all, I think that Business Woman and Loveblind are the tracks that have the biggest potential commercial audience (and, perhaps, Authority), so, in terms of trying to make the most $ off the record, Arista's decision certainly makes sense... after all, they are a business and that's what matters to them... at the same time, i think they ought to be commended for their decision to release the special 2 cd: SA and SE set at a special price... furthermore, they've stood by the church despite the low level of commercial success the band has gained on the last couple of albums... the fact of the matter is that the music that the church creates has rarely even had a great deal of commercial potential... they're obviousy an incredible group.. but, first of all, they are not a "singles" group.. they produce consistently solid albums but few true "singles..." which are a big key to the whole marketing game... also, as a good church fan, I constantly try to get friends to listen to the group, etc.etc.... most people I know who have tastes that would make the church a potential group that they would listen to tend not to like the church stuff I play for them... Under the Milky Way, Reptile, Metropolis, and the Unguarded Moments are really the only songs that appeal to them even after I've exposed them to the breadth of the church catalogue.... just about everyone I've talked to HATES steve kilbey's voice and really can't get past it.. they tend to agree the music is pretty cool though... I've tried to dump the Blurred Crusade on a bunch of peole, and, surprisingly, the reponses that have come back have been the same: "good music but terrible vocals get in the way so much that I can't listen to it... but, 'Field of Mars' is listenable for some reason..." and, then, of course, I explain to them that it's becuase F of M is sung by Marty instead of steve.... in any case, so, back to Arista... I think they've probably done a decent job in promoting the church and seem to have been quite tolerant of the group's experimentation, etc.etc.etc.... out of curiosity, to bill, will there be another video released? will there be an actual CD single release for Business Woman/Loveblind? if so, why not put some new material, such as Unsubstantiated from the Tequila Sunrise album, as someone suggested, on it...? finally, on to SA.... I initially thought of the album as a mediocore Church album... but, as with Morten, SA has really grown on me... Dead Man's Dream, Two Places at Once, My Little Problem, Authority, and Loveblind are great songs.... Eastern, Business Woman, Lullaby, and Angelica are pretty cool.. and, hell, even Day of the Dead, Lost My Touch, The Maven, and Fly Home aren't bad... and, SE, which I also initially didn't like too much, is really growing on me too... John (oops, up there, I didn't mean to suggest that Unsubstantiated was "new material".. I just meant that they should put a/several b-sides that aren't very widely available on the cd single release...) From matthew.blair@afrc.ac.uk Thu Aug 4 05:27 PDT 1994 Content-Identifier: 1188235B1E00 From: BLAIRM Subject: oh god, i can't think of a subject header... Sensitivity: Company-Confidential John writes >on the discussion a little while ago about drumming on church albums... >the drumming on seance is absolutely horrible to >my hears, but, that has more to do with the final mix on them and that >early 80s drum sound than Ploog's playing.... Yeah, me too. I can't understand why so many people on the list actually *like* the drumming on Seance. I mean, that's the personal choice, but IMHO that's the worst drumming on any church lp. Ok, maybe the playing is OK, but like John says, the sound and the mix are horrible. JD is definitely *the* man !! P=A has the best drums the church have ever recorded. Now, not wanting to start a flame, but I actually like the drumming on GAF. Maybe that negates all I've said above, but if people can like the drums on seance, why can't I like the drums on GAF :) >I think MWP and SK should reconsider their decision... Too right !! >on the whole Arista-bashing subject... I say, good on Arista for sticking by the church, but please could they make it a bit easier to get some of the stuff (singles) in the UK. I don't even bother to look any more. So, leading up to the 'next single' question, I think the idea of a double A side is a good idea, but it wouldn't make me buy it. Or maybe I'm just saying that coz I know the opportunity will never arise. But if Arista can't afford to release any singles here, I understand. > also, as a good church fan, I constantly try to get friends to listen to >the group, etc.etc.... Under the Milky Way, Reptile, Metropolis, and the >Unguarded Moments That's the songs that I play to people to try and interest them. Never works. >just about everyone I've talked to HATES steve kilbey's voice and really >can't get past it.. t On the subject of SK's voice, that seems to be the major problem that most of my friends (ok, *both* of my friends....ok my *only* friend - sad existence :) have with the church. Monotonous seems to be the word that crops up again and again. The songs MWP sings for the church seem to go down better, but play any of MWP's solo stuff, and it's even less popular than the church. Maybe my friends are all in league together, just trying to p*ss me off, by being contrary. I am doing a swap at the moment with the other guitar player in my band. He's just given me a loan of ATOM HEART MOTHER (? is that correct) by Pink Floyd, and tonight I'm gonna give him a church cd. Problem is, I can't make up my mind which one. I know he'd appreciate most of SA/SE, but I can't help think that some of it may put him off. Besides I don't think I could bare to give up SA/SE, even just for a short while :) Most of everything else I have on CD and vinyl, or cassette, but I only have SA/SE on cd, and a crap quality tape of some songs from it/them, for listening to in the car. Any suggestions on what cd to give him ? I know that if I do this correctly, I *will* convert him into a church fan, and since he's my main songwriting partner, the resulting music would be much more church influenced (yaaaay !) quick plug time. Speaking of my band, we're playing this Saturday, at a reasonable sized place in Edinburgh, and if we do well, or even only mediocre, someone is willing to manage us. This could be the start to something medium sized !! Finally, just listened to hindsight last night. Does anybody out there actually like Trace Ending ? IMO, could this be the worst song the church has ever done? I know Kilbey says he likes it, in the sleeve notes, but maybe he was being funny. I don't know, maybe there *are* worse songs, but that's certainly my least favourite. This is not an excuse for a '10 worst songs' thread !!!!!!! Well, that's lunch time up for me. Later, MAtt. From vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu Thu Aug 4 09:06 PDT 1994 via MS.5.6.pcs20.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4c_411; From: Vernon H Harmon Receipt Notification Requested) (IPM Return Requested) Subject: Re: oh god, i can't think of a subject header... >tape of some songs from it/them, for listening to in the car. Any suggestions >on what cd to give him ? I know that if I do this correctly, I *will* convert Sure. If you've got Hindsight, give him that. You get the added bonus of exposing him to a *lot* of Church music at one time, plus it's the most-comprehensive (read: ONLY) Church retrospective out there, which is a point in its favor for such a purpose, also. On a (somewhat) related note: Last Friday I finally located and bought: Kilbey's "Earthed" (with accompanying book) MWP's "Rhyme" Koppes' "Manchild And Myth" Koppes' "From The Well" and I was *this*close* to buying Hex' "Vast Halos" also. I started off my inevitable listening experience by popping Earthed into the CD player. Uhhh..is this *all* instrumental? Eww. I don't much like this. :( Next came PK's MAM. Solid music but PK sounds like some pubescent who can't get his voice to do what he wants. With someone else (SK?) doing vocals this would be a good album. Next MWP's Rhyme. Hey! Finally something in this bunch I like! Marty has yet to let me down. Spirit Level took a couple listens to completely grow on me, but everything else by MWP I've heard I really like (Fields of Mars, The View, RAH, Rhyme, Fly Home, Myths You Made, She's King CD3...). Particularly nice: Idiots w/ Ann. There's one song on here, ummm, Cascade that sounds like ELO does the chorus. :) Last was From The Well. A little better than MAM, but to be honest, I haven't given it a good listen yet. While at this store I checked for the following: All About Eve, Clouds, Margot Smith. Unfortunately, they didn't have any of these, but what bummed me was that they didn't have MWP's Art Attack. :( Any other recommendations? I'm too lazy, er, I mean *busy*, to check the discography. ;) On an UN-related topic: I've studied the cover of GAF for years now and I *still* can't find the little Marty!! The little Peter is on the steps of the Observatory, the little Steve is standing on a little patch of sunlight on the walkway and the little Ploogie is standing on the beach. But where's the little Marty!? Is that him leaning against the right side of the flower shop? It's hard to tell. Anybody know!? The cover to GAF has to be one of my favorites ever. --Vernon. From Matthew.Wimmer@m.cc.utah.edu Thu Aug 4 09:17 PDT 1994 From: Matthew Wimmer Subject: travel by thought...intercontinental... Hi Morten, Yes, I'm writing to you from this address again. They put up a new server at my old one (which incidentally dosen't even have pine on it). Anyway, I'm going to be going to Holland for a few months on study abroad soon, so can you take me off the list for a while? I doubt I'll be able to telnet here, and I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to get an account there. But I'll be back probably in December (just in time for the new Jack Frost). Thanks! Matt From matthew.blair@afrc.ac.uk Thu Aug 4 09:30 PDT 1994 Content-Identifier: 1188245E2200 From: BLAIRM Subject: Vernon's got some new records !! Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Thanks for the advice Vernon >Sure. If you've got Hindsight, give him that. You get the added bonus >of exposing him to a *lot* of Church music at one time, plus it's the >most-comprehensive (read: ONLY) Church retrospective out there, which is >a point in its favor for such a purpose, also. Yeah, it does have a lot of varied songs on it, but as a hook to bring in new church fans ? I'm not sure about that. Maybe it's just me, but like I said about Trance Ending...well I wouldn't want to put anybody off by letting them hear that. Actually, I'm just trying to justify not loaning it out, as I've only got it on vinyl and I'me somewhat reticent about loaning vinyl. CD's I don't care about, but my vinyl ? That's another thing entirely. :) >On a (somewhat) related note: >Last Friday I finally located and bought: >Kilbey's "Earthed" (with accompanying book) >MWP's "Rhyme" >Koppes' "Manchild And Myth" >Koppes' "From The Well" >and I was *this*close* to buying Hex' "Vast Halos" also. Got them all 'cept "From The Well", and after hearing "Manchild.." I'm not in a great rusgh to buy it. Is there a Hex lp simply called Hex ? I can't remember what one I've got. >I started off my inevitable listening experience by popping >Earthed into the CD player. Uhhh..is this *all* instrumental? >Eww. I don't much like this. :( Aaaawwww !! Shame, as I think it's the best instrumental lp I've ever heard. Love it to death !! >Next MWP's Rhyme. Hey! Finally something in this bunch I like! >Marty has yet to let me down. Spirit Level took a couple listens >to completely grow on me, but everything else by MWP I've heard >I really like (Fields of Mars, The View, RAH, Rhyme, Fly Home, >Myths You Made, She's King CD3...). Particularly nice: Idiots >w/ Ann. There's one song on here, ummm, Cascade that sounds like >ELO does the chorus. :) Yeah, Idiots is my fav. from Rhyme, though I also love Melancholy Girl and To Where I Am Now >I've studied the cover of GAF for years now and I *still* can't >find the little Marty!! The little Peter is on the steps of the >Observatory, the little Steve is standing on a little patch of >sunlight on the walkway and the little Ploogie is standing on the >beach. But where's the little Marty!? Is that him leaning against >the right side of the flower shop? It's hard to tell. Anybody know!? >The cover to GAF has to be one of my favorites ever. I'm gonna go home tonight and look for Marty. Maybe it was intended as some kind of 'joke', like having Paul McCartney facing the other way on the back of Sgt. Peppers. Anyway, how do we know that *is* Marty on the sleeve ? All we ever get to see is a mop of hair and a bit of face. Just joking. Please don't take that last comment seriously. Well time to go home :) Later, MAtt. From @PUCC.PRINCETON.EDU:SG938Q7H@DUVM.OCS.DREXEL.EDU Thu Aug 4 11:08 PDT 1994 From: Susan Zalenski Subject: Converting your friends... On the subject of converting your friends to the Church: I've managed to convert two of my friends around the time of Starfish. By the time GAF came out one of them was pretty much a die-hard like myself------- --we even went to the GAF show together. However, I don't know what they presently think since I haven't really spoken to them in a long while. I think that I "converted" a girlfriend of mine, but I think it has to do with the fact that she thinks MWP is gorgeous. She doesn't buy the music, but is willing to see them in concert! I have made numerous attempts to get others to experience the Chruch the way that I do, but alas, no avail. They just don't get it, do they?! :) Most people say "that's pretty good, I liked that" but no one ever wants more. I usually don't give people Starfish since it is so *depressing*; I think that HeyDay and the Blurred Crusade are the best picks. I've also made a mixed tape of some of my favorite songs; I sometimes lend that out. It's funny to hear how some people don't like SK's voice. I love his voice! It doesn't interfere with the beauty of the music. Did you ever listen to a new band, someone you've never really heard, but others have told you it's good? I can't count the number of times a great tune/riff has been destroyed by a voice that doesn't complement it. I think I was listening to the new Helmet album and I heard all of those great guitars...and then the singing began. YUCK! (IMHO). I have been accused of liking voices that drone or that are overshadowed by the music: New Order (monotone), House of Love (drone), Joy Division (can't sing at all), REM (in the past, mumble & moan), Lush (can't hear a word, guitars all over the place), Catherine Wheel (not really singing anyway). Scary isn't it? :) SueZ From powell@Kodak.COM Thu Aug 4 12:51 PDT 1994 From: "Richard W. Powell x71123/ESD/8-23-KP" Reply-To: "Richard W. Powell x71123/ESD/8-23-KP" Subject: What Kind of Fool I've been meaning to ask: A while ago I saw an ad for an EP by All About Eve. I noted what songs were on it but I don't know any more about it. Does anyone know if MWP is featured on any of the following songs? Europe EP (All About Eve) - promo 4:00 What Kind of Fool (Autumn) 5:24 Autumn Rhapsody 4:00 The Garden Of Jane Delawney 3:33 Gold And Silver - thanks, Dick PS What Kind of Fool - part II (did I really type that?) - tip 1) "phycidelic" is "psychedelic" spelled upside down. tip 2) nver rereed yer mesages after the've benn sent; From powell@Kodak.COM Thu Aug 4 12:56 PDT 1994 From: "Richard W. Powell x71123/ESD/8-23-KP" Reply-To: "Richard W. Powell x71123/ESD/8-23-KP" Subject: Re: oh god, i can't think of a subject header... > Matt writes: >... He's just given me a loan of ATOM HEART MOTHER (? is that correct) by > Pink Floyd, and tonight I'm gonna give him a church cd. Problem is, I can't > make up my mind which one. .... I'd bet on Priest=Aura. I think he might like the longer tracks, and maybe even the whole album, since (IMO) the whole disc seems to flow & mesh together like a single song with a lot of changes. If he's *really* hung up on ATOM HEART MOTHER, I don't think he'll get into much of the Church, let alone much else by Pink Floyd. That has to be the peak of the Floyd's phycidelic-acid-jam-all-night era. - Dick From john.brownosullivan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Thu Aug 4 17:43 PDT 1994 X-Sender: ou005076@brandywine.otago.ac.nz From: john.brownosullivan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (John Brown-O'Sullivan) Subject: Re: Converting your friends... Like anyone else on this list, I can laugh at some attempts of mine to convert people to the Church... 1. I brought GAF with me when I was staying with some friends by the sea. I was determined to show it off. Trouble was, I had never heard it before, and at the time I had to agree with the one other guy there who had heard the Church that this wasn't nearly as good as Starfish (I'm not so sure now). In the end I managed to make everyone detest the Church... 2. I loaned P=A to a friend who is a big fan of SF and GAF; he played Aura, Ripple and part of Paradox and gave it back saying that the singer couldn't sing, the drummer couldn't drum, there was no rhythm, etc etc. 3. I prevailed on the same person to buy 'A quick smoke...' (I'm a cheapskate) He listened to it once and never again. About Steve's voice I can't believe the negative reception Steve's voice gets, even among some of you lot. He is the coolest vocalist on the planet! No way does he sing in a monotone, except for some songs. Obviously a lot of his vocals are low & kind of murmured, but that's what I love about songs like 'Disappear', the way you have to strain to make out some of the words. He may not be able to sing in a falsetto, like Mr Bono Vox or Eddie van Halen or ten thousand other arseholes, but his voice has more subtlety and expression and pure atmosphere than any of them. I don't know much about singing, but his range seems quite good - songs like Paradox and Chaos are quite high-registered, methinks. Like Susan, I like medium-pitched vocalists, eg Guy Chadwick, Robert Scott (the Bats), Frank Black, Leonard Cohen (!), Andrew Eldritch (well, he does seem to have lightened up a bit), etc etc. They sound so much more expressive! ps - is anyone else on this list a fan of Catherine Wheel? I heard 'Chrome' recently and I was amazed - this album blows SA away! Songs like 'Crank' and 'Fripp' are too gorgeous to be true. Wish I could sing like that. Oh yes - I agree with Steve about Trance Ending, in fact I think it is the best song on Hindsight. Last of all, how come people seem to prefer MWP's singing to Steve's? I agree with the Trouser Press entry that said his records had a 'cottony airheadedness' - that's him to a t. I hope his next solo album is a lot better than SL. Oh yes... Vernon, now that you have got all those new albums can you suggest how I could get hold of them? They aren't available in NZ. Do you think that Koppe's albums are worth getting? Bearing in mind that 'Transient' is one of my all-time faves - do they have big guitar solos like that does? And, anytime you feel like typing in the 'Earthed' poems in all of their entirety, please do so. John From TAOBERLY@delphi.com Fri Aug 5 00:46 PDT 1994 From: Todd Oberly Subject: Steve's voice, new single, etc. X-Vms-To: IN%"seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT John wrote... > ps - is anyone else on this list a fan of Catherine Wheel? I heard > 'Chrome' recently and I was amazed - this album blows SA away! Songs like > 'Crank' and 'Fripp' are too gorgeous to be true. Wish I could sing like > that. Most definitely! I won't say it blows SA away (I'd hate to have to choose!), but it has a beautiful (and _louder_) otherworldliness to it as well. My favorite songs are "Crank", "Pain", "The Nude", "Chrome", and "Ursa Major Space Station" (love that guitar!). The guys have a new album recorded and originally planned for release in September, but due to "mixing problems", it's been postponed until early next year. :( Check out the lyrics files and discography on ftp.uwp.edu compiled (mostly) by yours truly ;). And about the next Church single. Well, even if it was just going to be promo-only, I was waiting on purchasing the Earth Music EP (I hope it's still available!) and the Tequila Sunrise soundtrack, to see if Arista might save me the trouble. I realize Arista is using the two album tracks to help push the album (DJ's will ask themselves..."Do I play an album track, or do I play an album track?"), but I still wish something rare could have been included. Would a third track have really been that distracting, or is it more a case of the legwork involved (i.e. time and money)? Oh, well. About the Steve's voice debate...as far as Church songs are concerned, I couldn't tell the difference between Steve and Marty until recently! Some call him monotone and droning, but I bought the Jack Frost album after hearing "Everything Takes Forever" (a monotonous, droning song if there ever was one!) playing at a record store. He's an acquired taste, I guess, but when I think of The Church, I think of Steve's voice first. But then I just got my first solo stuff a couple weeks ago, Steve's "No Such Thing" EP and Marty's "On The Tip Of My Tongue" 12", and I am quite impressed with Marty. His songs are quite peppy and light and...umm, airy. Steve's songs are growing on me now, but originally they just sounded like unremarkable Church material. > Oh yes... Vernon, now that you have got all those new albums can you > suggest how I could get hold of them? They aren't available in NZ. Well, Noteworthy has "Earthed," "Manchild And Myth," and Marty's three CD's listed for sale cheap, and that's where I'm going to be getting them. I couldn't find anything in their catalog that says they ship overseas, but they do mail *catalogs* overseas, so... -Todd TAOBERLY@DELPHI.COM From vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu Fri Aug 5 07:18 PDT 1994 via MS.5.6.pcs15.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4c_411; From: Vernon H Harmon Subject: Re: new single >And about the next Church single. Well, even if it was just going to be >promo-only, I was waiting on purchasing the Earth Music EP (I hope it's >still available!) and the Tequila Sunrise soundtrack, to see if Arista >might save me the trouble. I realize Arista is using the two album tracks >to help push the album (DJ's will ask themselves..."Do I play an album >track, or do I play an album track?"), but I still wish something rare >could have been included. Would a third track have really been that >distracting, or is it more a case of the legwork involved (i.e. time and >money)? Oh, well. If Business Woman and Loveblind are the two songs they want to release as singles then I don't see why Arista doesn't do the following: release double a-side single w/: Business Woman/Cut In Two/(some unreleased or "rare" track(s)) later, release second double a-side single w/: Loveblind/The Time Being/(some other unreleased or "rare" track(s)) This way a number of things happen: o The band is happy: the two songs they wanted on the album have been "officially" released for mass consumption. Maybe the singles could even carry a little blurb from Marty and Steve to the effect of "Dear Fan: We wanted "X" on our album, _SA_, but there wasn't room! We hope you enjoy it!" o If Arista thinks BW and Loveblind are the two songs with the most potential, then releasing them separately would generate more sales for them. This would probably make the band happy, too. o Fans (or anyone) who weren't able to find copies of SA with the bonus disk (what was the deal with cassettes? Did they include SE? If not, add cassette buyers here, too) could now have access to two songs from SE, both of which the band wanted them to hear. :) Fans happy. Band happy. o As long as Arista didn't decide to include just other songs from SE on the singles, it gives fans *twice* the opportunity for rare or unreleased tracks to be released. I could see Arista putting the other SE tracks on the singles, but I certainly wouldn't buy the singles if that was everything on them (nor, I suspect, would most of the people who own a copy of SE). o Now that I see this idea written down and thought out, I can't believe that Arista didn't come up with it, and use it for the 2PAO single!! That would've been *3* chances for fans! Had they done that, this would've been the ideal set (for Arista -- for an ideal fan set, replace all of the SE tracks below with live or rare tracks): single #1: 2PAO/Cut In Two/Drought/Unsubstantiated single #2: BW/The Myths You Made/Freeze To Burn/live track single #3: Loveblind/The Time Being/Leave Your Clothes On/live track That would make all but Macabre Tavern from SE officially released. Of course, as a fan who already owns SE, I'd rather see the SE tracks on those singles replaced with more live tracks from the acoustic promo tour, or from Sing Songs and AQSAS. BTW: I think single #2 above would sell some *serious* copies: BW and TMYM are "pop gems" and FTB is a potential dance club track. Throw in a sellable live track (like, maybe, the "Church Unplugged" version of UTMW? ;D) and this single would have some serious potential! Of course, if you replace TMYM with Cut In Two, you've got the single I proposed originally and CIT would potentially appeal to the "guitar-rock"/"classic rock" stations. I really think that single would sell! Just some thoughts to spur conversation. :) --Vernon. From vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu Fri Aug 5 07:24 PDT 1994 via MS.5.6.pcs15.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4c_411; From: Vernon H Harmon Subject: Re: oh god, i can't think of a subject header... jtehran@husc.harvard.edu said: >I think the little Marty is in negative in the second window from the left in >the grass covered building to the left of the left gates (on the second >floor).. Yeah, I thought that might be him, but I also thought it might be my eyes playing tricks. At any rate, if there *is* a little Marty somewhere, I wonder why he's so hard to find? Was it intentional? Does it have anything to do with Marty's comment about not being photographed (the comment that spurred all that talk about his face being all over his albums)? Will we ever know the answer to these and other puzzling questions?? Stay tuned, True Believer! The Church won't steer you wrong! :D :D --Vernon. From vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu Fri Aug 5 07:24 PDT 1994 via MS.5.6.pcs15.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4c_411; Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Aug 1994 10:24:43 -0400 (EDT) Resent-From: Vernon H Harmon Resent-To: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM From: jtehran@husc.harvard.edu Subject: Re: oh god, i can't think of a subject header... Vernon writes: On an UN-related topic: I've studied the cover of GAF for years now and I *still* can't find the little Marty!! The little Peter is on the steps of the Observatory, the little Steve is standing on a little patch of sunlight on the walkway and the little Ploogie is standing on the beach. But where's the little Marty!? Is that him leaning against the right side of the flower shop? It's hard to tell. Anybody know!? The cover to GAF has to be one of my favorites ever. well, I'm not sure,k but, here's my guess... I think the little Marty is in negative in the second window from the left in the grass covered building to the left of the left gates (on the second floor).... of course, that might not be marty.... I'm only staring at the CD cover, so, someone with the album might do a better job... out of curiosity, I had nver noticed the little figures except for Ploogie before.... is there any story behind the big/little photo thing? John From pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Fri Aug 5 11:55 PDT 1994 From: pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Subject: other stuff You know, i really should have a pen with me when I read my messages. I've just gone through the 20+ messags that have accumulated over the last few days, and I come up with responses to some of them, but don't answer them right away in case someone in the next message I read already did etc. etc. So now i have to try to remember what it was I wanted to say, with apologies to whoever posted the original thoughts, because I can't remember who said what now. Here goes: Trance Ending the worst Churh song? No way. Has to be "Forgotten Reign". Ploog's drumming? Have to say i never really concentrated on the drumming, but once when i was watching the Church live in Milan video, my friend saw some of it and said that he thought Ploog was an awesome drummer - and this coming from a huge Dead-head, and the Dead have _2_ drummers! It may be that Ploog turned it on for live shows though. Steve's voice? Unsurpassed. Another friend of mine whom I did a radio show with, and who was into classic punk, once said "You know, Kilbey does have a cool voice". Tracks like the end/layered vocals/talking of "Amphibian" are just great - expressive and subdued at the same time. Vernon (I remembered this one) - good ideas about the singles. Of course we on the list would buy a single of Steve & Marty coughing if it was available :) And whoever just got "Earthed" (Vernon again?) stick with it. There's some great stuff on there (The White Plague for example...) OK I think that's it. -paul From 213170596@UCIS.VILL.EDU Fri Aug 5 13:56 PDT 1994 From: 213170596@UCIS.VILL.EDU (timB) Subject: Re: Arista Slamming From: SMTP%"Morten.Skjefte@EBay.Sun.COM" "Morten Skjefte" 3-AUG-1994 11:50:25.50 CC: Subj: Arista Slamming with SMTP-OpenVMS via TCP/IP; Wed, 3 Aug 1994 11:50 EST with SMTP-OpenVMS via TCP/IP; Wed, 3 Aug 1994 11:48 EST From: Morten.Skjefte@EBay.Sun.COM (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Arista Slamming >Have we had enough Arista slamming yet? I hope so. But then again, major label slamming is the cool, new, "alternative" indie thing to do. Its just a macho thing. >As I sit here listening to SE I can't help but being grateful to >Arista for bringing me such great music. Personally, I think >Arista is doing a more than adequate job in serving the fans. How >many albums do you have that are 100 mins of music for under >20 bucks? The album could easily have been released as a double >album which would have cost us another 6-8 bucks. They could also >have left off 2-3 tracks and released them as non-album b-sides >which we would then have had to pay an additional 7-8 bucks apiece for. >IF SASE had been an REM album, that's how Warner would have released >it (I really detest the way REM/Warner exploit their fans). >Arista considered the fans and gave us _all_ the music for >under $20. I really repect that decision. Amen. 100 minutes for the regular price, I'd kiss Bill and everyone at Arista for that. >I said Arista is serving the fans because I don't think the Church's >music is really music for the masses. At least not the new album. >Starfish was probably as close to commercialism as they will ever get. >I have been trying to convince a friend of mine that the Church is the >best thing since cheese-slicers, but he said that he just can't handle >Steve's monotone singing. I guess it's an aquired taste. > >And I don't think Steve and Marty are really interested in becoming >as huge (and overblown) as U2. I think they are quite comfortable >where they are right now. They have fun making the music, and they >seem to be able to make a decent living out of it. Can you afford >to build a studio on your salary??? :-) Boy, that sounds familiar. I guess people don't listen to _me_. >Yes, I agree Arista has blown it in some cases, like the Ripple CD5, >but then again, without them we may not have had any US releases of >the older albums. Arista has at least always seemed to have an interest >in the band, even though they did not make huge amounts of money on them. > >It would have been nice to see a poster in the local cd store, but then >again how much promotion by Warner Bros did you see for the Heyday album? >The only thing I can remember is seeing Mary Hart mention it on >Entertainment Tonight on the day of the release. Few people realize how hard it is to run a record company. There isn't one evil bloodsucker up in a cloud-enshrouded penthouse thinking of how he/she can screw the listeners. Mass promotion takes incredible amounts of money. Maybe somebody up there is smart, realizing that the Church are a love 'em/ hate 'em band and don't see their popularity growing. Which is O.K. A good business observation. The Church isn't keeping Arista in business. If they drop them, I don't think there'll be mass layoffs. To get the latest release from them, at that length, is fantastic, so shut up. >I'm not trying to suck up to Bill (he must have a huge punching bag >with all our names on it in his office by now), but I thank him as >a representative for Arista for supporting and releasing the Church's >music. And for showing some integrity towards the fans. Me too. If I were him, I wouldn't even be here. And another thing, about that whole "we didn't want it on our album, but Arista made us..." crap. I really don't believe that Marty is giving the whole story (what?!?! Blasphemy!) Really though, I don't see a struggle at the CD pressing factory to have them not put those 2 songs on (Business Wom. and Authority). More likely, it was a lack of communication between the artist and the company. An easy thing to happen when dealing with a large company. I can visualize it now: "How Arista Screwed the Church" A Play in One Act. Scene: Studio control room. Characters: Marty Wilson-Piper and Arista bigwigs. MWP: "Gimme the master!!! Give it to me now!!!!" Bigwig: "No Way, Wilson-Pooper, these are ours. We're screwing you over. We're gonna put these songs that you hate on the album despite your opposition! We are an evil record company!" MWP: "Noooooooooo!" (bigwig tosses the master tapes to two thugs standing in the corner just as our fair Marty lunges with all his might, decking the Arista bigwig flat. A scuffle ensues and more thugs come to drag Marty away.) MWP: (As he is dragged out of the studio) "I'll get you for this Arista!!!! You haven't heard the last of me!!!!!" Bigwig: (with a sly grin) "Heh heh heh, now there's nothing to stop our fiendish plan! Ah-hahahahahahahahahahahaha! So long, Mr. Piper!" (Thugs drag Marty from studio, still shouting curses in his fragile accent. Bigwigs exit through trap door in the wall, down to their secret lair where the essence of evil lurks.) Camera pans to opposite corner of studio where an out of it Steven Kilby sits, having done a few too many mind-altering drugs. He gives a confused look and then slumps down even further. Curtain drops. }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} Yes, all done in that pseudo comic book style with plenty of overacting on all counts.... >Enough rambling.... yeah. >-m timB From anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Sat Aug 6 02:42 PDT 1994 Reply-To: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Organization: Xymox UUCP System, Melbourne Australia From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Re: yo Bill! and, the Church's popularity in Oz John points out... > Anthony said: > > >Brian opines: > > > >> p.s. if SK is in Sweden, maybe he, Marty and Martin Rossel are recording > >> the next Church album! > > That was my opinion, not Brian's Whoops. My apologies! -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au those herbal-tea moments." - Caroline Sullivan of The Guardian reviewing the new "Victoria Amos" album. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Sat Aug 6 02:49 PDT 1994 Reply-To: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Organization: Xymox UUCP System, Melbourne Australia From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Re: Steve's voice, new single, etc. Todd writes: > And about the next Church single. Well, even if it was just going to be > promo-only, I was waiting on purchasing the Earth Music EP (I hope it's still > available!) and the Tequila Sunrise soundtrack, to see if Arista might save > me the trouble. Arista can not release "Room Full Of Diamonds" from the Earth Music EP because they do not own the rights to it. The song was recorded as a donation to a charitibale organisation, and as with the other acts' songs on the EP and the album itself, the artists' record companies cannot release it for profit, and probably not at all. Fellow EarthMusicers The Killjoys told me that studio time, tape, engineer, etc was all donated. Even the band doesn't have the right to release the record themselves should they want to. In all likelihood, the only place you'll see "Room Full Of Diamonds" is the Earth Music EP. In the unlikely event of Arista releasing it on a b-side, make sure they're paying royalties to the Earth Music Trust! -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au those herbal-tea moments." - Caroline Sullivan of The Guardian reviewing the new "Victoria Amos" album. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From bove@goethite.geo.cornell.edu Sat Aug 6 22:48 PDT 1994 From: "Dan Bove" Subject: gaf cover hey, i was all impressed by everyone saying that everyone saw extra people in all the photos on the gaf cover, which i hadnt even noticed, but im a little confused... it seems like everyone was saying there was a person in the background on each of the pictures... forgive me, but im a geologist, and i took out a jewelers glass and there are multiple people in some of the pictures... in marty's picture there is someone in the second story window, but there is also someone in amongst the bells, just to the left of the post that is most in the foreground. in richard's pictures there are three people... one standing one the beach, one sitting on the beach against the rocks, and a third leaning against the rocks in the middle of the picture (if you fold the cd linear notes thing out and open it up) in peter's picture there is one guy on the right side of the observatory looking out in that direction, while on the left side there looks as if there is someone standing there... and in steve's there looks as if there is one, maybe two, people in front of the building way off to the right... does anyone else see all these people? i know im pretty impressed, i never noticed any of them until yesterday... Dan From vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu Sun Aug 7 19:27 PDT 1994 via MS.5.6.pcs11.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4c_411; From: Vernon H Harmon Subject: Re: gaf cover Dan mentioned the other figures on the GAF cover. I've been tempted to say I saw other figures, also, but I've doubted it, since the pictures are so small. In PK's picture, I don't see anyone standing on the left side of the observatory, but it does look like someone is lying on the steps. I think the problem with picking figures out of the pics is that the pictures are intentionally altered so that distances and relative sizes are misleading. For example, if someone *is* lying on the left steps, they are *much* bigger/closer than the figure on the right. Add in that they are b/w and it's damn near impossible to tell if something is a shadow or a person! In Ploogie's pic, it looks like someone sitting against the rocks just to the right of the "little Ploogie", but it could also be a shadow (although the sizes look right to be a person). Then in the middle of the Ploog pic, there's a shadow against the back of the plateau-like rock that looks vaguely like a person, and also a much smaller shadow just to the left of that which looks like someone peeking out from behind the rock. In Marty's pic, there looks like a figure in the second story window, then also one in the bells. It also looks like someone is leaning with their back to the flower shop (just to the right of the display window). In SK's pic, there are so many blocks and shadows, it's damn near impossible to tell if anything is a figure, except for the very obvious figure at the end of the "long walkway" on the far right. I've tried to figure out what the pics are, also. I've come to a couple of theories: 1) Each pic has 1 member in the foreground and all the other members hidden in the background. This is shakey at best, since I can only clearly make out 1 figure in each pic. (and not even that in Marty's!) 2) Each pic is an amalgam of 2 pics: 1 of the band member up close facing the camera, 1 of the band member from a distance. Then the two pics are combined to create a "panorama" effect. If you look closely at each pic, you can see a place where there seems to be some odd "symmetry". (The observatory in PK's, the "apartment complex" in SK's -- note how all the angles change straight down the corner of the building...but the shadows don't :( -- the rock sticking up in RP's and the bells in MWP's). At any rate, the pictures look really cool, but incredibly unnatural. I wonder if our friend from Arista has any insights on this situation?? I *love* this cover!!! (I actually think the cover might have something to do with why this is one of my favorite Church albums...combined with the fact that it was my first Church purchase) --Vernon. From TAOBERLY@delphi.com Sun Aug 7 22:04 PDT 1994 From: Todd Oberly Subject: US commercial singles X-Vms-To: IN%"seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT recently Anthony wrote... > Arista can not release "Room Full Of Diamonds" from the Earth Music EP > because they do not own the rights to it. The song was recorded as a > donation to a charitibale organisation, and as with the other acts' > songs on the EP and the album itself, the artists' record companies > cannot release it for profit, and probably not at all. Fellow Earth > Musicers The Killjoys told me that studio time, tape, engineer, etc > was all donated. Even the band doesn't have the right to release the > record themselves should they want to. Thanks for clearing that up! I knew "Earth Music" was a charity release, but I figured RFOD was just something extra Steve and Marty did in one of their own studios, and hence probably retained the rights to it. I'm gonna get me one this week! I don't want to put words in Bill's mouth, but it occurred to me why there hasn't been (and for now probably won't be) any new US-made Church CD singles in the record shops. With CD singles being a very small part of sales over here (a fraction of one percent for 1993), I would think record companies only release them when they think they have a good chance of making money on 'em. To use a phrase from the movies, "You're only as good as your last picture." "Priest=Aura" didn't sell that well, hence no US single for "2 Places At Once." If "Business Woman" gets played to death, then there *might* be something for whatever the third single might be (a SE track would be great!). I'm a fan of James (BTW, does anybody see any similarities between the material on "Laid" and Church material, especially "Jack Frost"? I do.) and after their song "Laid" got played everywhere, I wondered why Fontana didn't release a single to record stores. Fontana got the idea, though, and released a commercial single for the next James release "Say Something". There is a method to all of this! Promo singles are a little different, as the label can skimp on packaging, and instead of making a half-dozen copies for every record store in the country, they only have to send them to radio stations and the like. Does that sound about right to everybody? -Todd "Hoping some SA/SE song becomes wildly popular somewhere" Oberly TAOBERLY@DELPHI.COM From ZEPPELIN@ac.dal.ca Mon Aug 8 08:53 PDT 1994 <01HFO180N26O004G40@SYSWRK.UCIS.DAL.CA>; Mon, 8 Aug 1994 12:53:32 -0400 <01HFO13DPGAE00M8HZ@AC.DAL.CA>; Mon, 8 Aug 1994 12:53:23 -0300 From: ZEPPELIN@ac.dal.ca Subject: RE.GAF Cover X-Vms-To: IN%"seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.Com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I have a wall sized poster of the cover and aft....(sorry -bad ternimal)...I can tell that each picture is an amalgamation of ate least two...andf that w.the second persion in the background os..Is the percson in the picture,. If you look closly the close up is taken from where the person is standing in the panoramic view. IE: MWP close up is of him in the bell tower, if you look at the bell tower you can see him. the pictures are just merged so it looks cool. pete From rhardack@violet.berkeley.edu Mon Aug 8 11:55 PDT 1994 From: rhardack@violet.berkeley.edu Subject: Australian record stores Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Greetings to Australian list members (and apologies to everyone else getting this)--I'm going to be in Sydney and Newcastle and points thereabouts for a conference in September (the riveting and exciting world of literary criticism) and was wondering if list members would be able to send brief recommendations on record stores to hit in those areas. Also, if anyone knows of any shows to see between September 10-17 (clouds, church related bands, falling joys, etc) please let me know (and if anyone's going maybe we could meet at the show)--thanks for the help, Richard Hardack From gsa@panix.com Mon Aug 8 18:32 PDT 1994 From: Gary Assa Subject: Re: gaf cover Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM > in marty's picture there is someone in the second story window, but there is > also someone in amongst the bells, just to the left of the post that is most > in the foreground. I saw this too. From TAOBERLY@delphi.com Mon Aug 8 22:24 PDT 1994 From: Todd Oberly Subject: Much Music X-Vms-To: IN%"seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I just found this on rec.music.info. I don't know what MuchMusic is, but anybody who gets it, check out what's in store for tomorrow...err, today... it's a Church special! -Todd --- | This posting can be mailed directly to your mailbox. | | Please do not post requests to this newsgroup. | | Send requests to me at al442@freenet.carleton.ca | *************************************** | ________ 2.3| | / ____ \ | | | / \ | | | + ==| | MM | |===+ | | | | \____/ | | | | | \________/ | | | MUCHMUSIC SPOTLIGHT | | === FOR: === | | AUG 06-AUG 13 1994 | | at 7:30pm-8:00pm ET/4:30pm-5:00pm PT | | repeated at 11:30 pm ET & 11:30 am ET | |***************************************| | SAT AUG 06 Barenaked Ladies | | SUN AUG 07 Enya | | MON AUG 08 54-40 | | TUE AUG 09 Church | | WED AUG 10 Wynonna | | THU AUG 11 Tea Party | | FRI AUG 12 OMD | *************************************** [at 12:00pm & 8:00pm ET] note: The Big Ticket is usually a repeat of past performances | I am not associated in anyway with MuchMusic, CITY-TV, MusiquePlus | | or its affiliated companies. -Derek Tam al442@freenet.carleton.ca | -- "Sunlight slanting |Derek Tam Paranoid |al442@freenet.carleton.ca Feeling cold |derekt@freenet.scri.fsu.edu A little fucked up...alone." I MOTHER EARTH From vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu Tue Aug 9 08:44 PDT 1994 via MS.5.6.pcs16.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4c_411; From: Vernon H Harmon Subject: Earthed Well, first off, I wasn't about to give up on it. :) Secondly, it *is* growing on me. The biggest problem I have with instrumental albums is that it's so hard to recognize a particular song by name without lyrics. I agree, though, that The White Plague is a great song. I have another question: On the CD case that my shrinkwrapped-w/poetry-book cd came in, there is a sticker plugging some of the songs on the CD. However, none of these songs are on this CD!! I will reprint the sticker in case someone has some idea what album this really belongs with. "F E A T U R I N G LISTEN TO THE WORDS ******* MY HEART IS IN THE GAME ******* YOU CAN NEVER GO HOME ******* TOURIST cd 5179*printed in the u.s.a." Anybody know? Perhaps a different Kilbey album? Thanks. --Vernon. From Morten.Skjefte@EBay.Sun.COM Tue Aug 9 21:43 PDT 1994 Resent-Message-Id: <199408100349.NAA05640@werple.apana.org.au> Resent-Date: Wed Aug 10 13:36:45 1994 Resent-From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Sender: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) From: Morten.Skjefte@EBay.Sun.COM (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: Steve's voice, new single, etc. > From anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Sat Aug 6 02:49:07 1994 > > available!) and the Tequila Sunrise soundtrack, to see if Arista might save > > me the trouble. > > Arista can not release "Room Full Of Diamonds" from the Earth Music EP > because they do not own the rights to it. I think this goes for the "Unsubstantiated" track off the Tequila Sunrise album too. According to what Steve wrote to me, Capitol owns this song, and they can do with it whatever they want. I guess Steve/Arista could try to buy it back, but I assume that this is sort of regarded as past history now, and unless another retrospective will be compiled, I doubt that you will see it any other place than on the TS soundtrack. My recommendation is that you just buckle under and buy both the TS soundtrack and the Earth Music ep. Both of these tracks are in my opinion essential Church tracks, somewhat comparable to Texas Moon in style. Buy, buy, buy.... > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au -morten From matthew.blair@afrc.ac.uk Wed Aug 10 01:06 PDT 1994 Content-Identifier: 118852412F00 From: BLAIRM Subject: re: unearthed Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Hi everyone, It's been a bit quiet on the list these past few days, so I thought I'd post something just to liven things up. The only problem is I don't have very much to say. (sensible stuff, that is) Vernon, I've no idea where the sticker on your CD came from, though the song 'You Can never Go Home' does sound familiar. If I find out/remember I'll let you know. Did anybody find out what that church-special thingy was, that someone (apologies for not remembering who) posted about yesterday ? Lastly, I hope, does anyone out there know where I can get guitar tab for any All About Eve ? Well that's all for now, MAtt. From vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu Wed Aug 10 10:02 PDT 1994 via MS.5.6.pcs4.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax_ul4; From: Vernon H Harmon Subject: Re: Earthed Brian told me: >PS Actually, if you telnet cdconnection.com you can search their database by >the CD identification number. Type cd5179 and see what emerges ! Let us >know the results. Thanks. I tried it and got: a world music compilation a classical music collection a "Doc Holloway" (or something like that) album something else that couldn't possibly be it a Stevie Wonder album I checked the Stevie Wonder album, just in case (it was the only one of the five that they had track info for). That wasn't it. I guess we might never know! --Vernon. From rhardack@violet.berkeley.edu Wed Aug 10 14:22 PDT 1994 From: rhardack@violet.berkeley.edu Sender: rhardack@violet.berkeley.edu Reply-To: rhardack@violet.berkeley.edu Subject: visit to australia Greetings to Australian list members (and apologies to everyone else getting this)--I'm going to be in Sydney and Newcastle and points thereabouts for a conference in September (the riveting and exciting world of literary criticism) and was wondering if list members would be able to send brief recommendations on record stores to hit in those areas. Also, if anyone knows of any shows to see between September 10-17 (clouds, church related bands, falling joys, etc) please let me know (and if anyone's going maybe we could meet at the show)--thanks for the help, Richard Hardack (p.s. sorry if this is a re-post--I don't think the first one got through) From john.brownosullivan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Wed Aug 10 14:55 PDT 1994 X-Sender: ou005076@brandywine.otago.ac.nz From: john.brownosullivan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (John Brown-O'Sullivan) Subject: are the lyrics be ready yet? To all fellow Seance-members: 1. When I first joined Seance, some kind person sent me lyrics to most of the Church songs, with the exception of The Blurred Crusade, and various songs on A Quick Smoke... Can anyone send me the lyrics to The Blurred Crusade? 2. (More importantly) Is there a 'definitive' set of lyrics prepared for SA & SE yet? (ie in the same format as all the others) If so, can someone please send them to me? John From FURSTD@BoysTown.ORG Thu Aug 11 09:13 PDT 1994 From: FURSTD@BoysTown.ORG (DAVID FURST) Subject: Help, Europe It's been so very quiet lately. In that case, I'd like to ask for some help about some slightly non-church business. WHat I'm looking for concerns information about Europe, I guess more to the point, I (and my band) are beginning to plan a three-week tour of the former East Germany (probably to start in Berlin) down to Czechoslovakia (with Prague as an anchor point) and to finish in Austria (probably end in Vienna). THis is being planned for June of 1995. We've never done anything like this, and we are trying to do it all on our own. SOme things I could use some help with include: 1. Are there any list members from any of those countries that I could talk to for background/Assistance? 2. To keep costs down we need to borrow/rent/beg/steal a van, probably in Berlin, cause I understand you can't haul equip. on the train which would be pretty much a hassle anyway if you could, and flying between countries will cost too much. ANybody got any ideas or know anyone overthere thast could help? 3. Has anybody ever played over there? Specifically, can I expect problems/differences using equipment design for the American electrical system/volts/wattage if the systems in these countries are different? If so, what can be done about it? Are there adaptors or any such thing as a remedy? Or am I making a problem out of nothing? 4. Are there any Internet groups/addresses anyone is aware of that I could use to investigate possibilities? This stands to be an exciting possibility and I hope you all will forgive me for starting my info-gathering with you all. (plus, as I said above, it's been so quiet lately I thought this might provoke some activity). Thanks for listening, -daveF From rcorcora@nyx10.cs.du.edu Thu Aug 11 10:25 PDT 1994 of Denver. The University has neither control over nor responsibility for the opinions or correct identity of users. X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University of Denver. The University has neither control over nor responsibility for the opinions or correct identity of users. From: Rhonda Corcoran Subject: Church Article This is a possible repost. My apologies in advance if it is. _________________________________________________ Hello! I'm now posting from the humid zone of North Carolina. Thank god for air conditioning, thank god for deodorant and thank you god especially for protecting my cd player on the cross country trek! Someone mentioned Catherine Wheel. John? Yes, I love these guys too. Crank is the only album I've heard, although the singles from the other album are familiar too. I guess Rob's singing style is a little suspect, but it suits the music. Shame on all you Arista bashers! Top dollar promotion would be nice, but then some people obviously don't know a good thing if even if you stick the headphones on them yerself and make them listen to it (witness the multiple attempted conversion tales). For SASE I will always be eternally grateful (to the band for the music and Arista for the decent price). Of course, even if it had been a $20+ product, I still would have been first in line at Tower on the day of release. :) Ok, on to the good stuff: >From Atlanta's weekly (?) entertainment magazine, is the following article on the Church: DUAL RESPONSIBILITY by Katherine Yeske People mill about Atlanta's Purple Dragon studio, waiting for the Church to record an acoustic set for a local radio station. Everyone adopts nonchalant attitudes whenever members Marty Willson-Piper and Steve Kilbey pass nearby. In town promoting their latest release, "Sometime Anywhere", Willson-Piper is a bundle hyperactive energy, almost overbearingly exuberant. He mingles easily, chattering away with staggering speed. One woman gets a laugh by observing, "Marty's like a little puppy dog. He's like, 'Hi! I'm Marty! Nice to meet ya! How are ya?!'" In contrast, Kilbey is intimidating, despite his soft-spoken, reserved manner. People don't know how to react to his sarcastic humor, and his distance is furthered by his wariness of exposing too much of himself. He can be incredibly charming and friendly, as long as you're not blatantly ignorant of the Church's music-in which case, you'll be confronted with a decidedly contemptuous attitude. In the studio hall, a man asks him, "Your name's Chris, right?" "It's Steve," comes the cold reply. "Oh! Sorry," the man says, unperturbed. "So you and Marty do most of the songwriting in the band?" Kilbey glares at him. "We are the band," he mutters, turning away. When asked if he's going to see a concert later, Kilbey grimaces. "The last thing I want to do is see a band. Is there someplace where people drink coffee and discuss Rostand?" There's stifled laughter; no one's sure if he's joking or not. It's hard imagining Willson-Piper and Kilbey getting along, but they've been together for almost 15 years, and have no plans of stopping, even though other members of the Church have. "I think Marty and I still have got a lot of creative tension left in our relationship," says Kilbey. "And as long as we have a bit of friction, we can generate some sparks, generate some music. I think we've still got a lot of music left in us to make as the Church. [We've] picked up the banner and can't put it down." "Sometime Anywhere" is the first Church album created solely by Kilbey and Willson-Piper, but Kilbey says working as a duo wasn't hard. "Making a record's easy as falling off a log," he says, shrugging. "[Sometime Anywhere] was the easiest album we've made; we had the most fun with it. Got rid of all the middlemen who were ruining things for us." He's presumably referring to former bandmates Peter Koppes (guitar) and a succession of drummers. The album reflects its creator's differing visions, but the songwriting environment also encouraged diversity. "Each day you come in and get a different vibe happening. One day you come in and write a song like 'Angelica' (an electronic-based dance song), the next day you write a song like 'Lullaby' (a mellow acoustic piece)." He suddenly frowns, upset. "You know, I hope there is more than just noisy and soft parts." He goes on to lament the difficulties of remaining objective about one's own music, explaining, "To do it, you have to be a musician and a critic in the same go. You have to make the music, then you have to stand back and give it a review and go, 'Yes, this song is good, this song is bad. This one's successful.' [And] you can't do that. You can't jump out and see it, essentially." But it's obvious Kilbey and Willson-Piper's instincts are right; during the taping, the acoustic versions of their material are breathtakingly beautiful. "Hotel Womb" (from 88's Starfish) is especially effective, arousing a languid, sensual atmosphere, encased in aching melancholy. People sit transfixed in the candle-lit, incense-filled studio, afraid of breaking Kilbey and Willson-Piper's delicate spell. The set features mostly old material-a surprising move, considering this studio tour is promoting a new album. ________________________________________________________________________ That's it for now folks. My skin is prickling, a sure sign that the system is about to go down or freeze for a couple hours or so. I'll type in the 2nd half tomorrow. Rhonda From JOLLEYJ@caedm.et.byu.edu Thu Aug 11 11:28 PDT 1994 Thu, 11 Aug 94 12:30:45 GMT-7 From: "Jeff Jolley" Subject: unsubscribe Priority: normal I have never recieved a FAQ or info on how to unsubscribe from here (and I think I'm on MARGOT, too). If anyone send me the info (admin?) I would appreciate it. I graduate today. My account ends tomorrow or soon thereafter (and I don't want you guys to get bounced mail) Thanks, Jeff From rcorcora@nyx10.cs.du.edu Thu Aug 11 11:40 PDT 1994 of Denver. The University has neither control over nor responsibility for the opinions or correct identity of users. X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University of Denver. The University has neither control over nor responsibility for the opinions or correct identity of users. From: Rhonda Corcoran Sender: Rhonda Corcoran Reply-To: Rhonda Corcoran Subject: Creative Loafing Article pt. 2 Despite his decision to perform older songs, Kilbey denies dwelling on their artistic merit. "Oh, God, I try to stay away from them," he says, looking pained. "I don't know what relationship I have with them. So hard to tell. Some days I think it's all good, and some days I think it's all bad. Some days I think some of it's good and some of it's bad. And some days I don't even care." Whatever his personal opinion, it's irrelevant this afternoon: the audience is awed by all the material. When there's a break in taping, people talk about the intensity of the performance...and the sauna-like heat of the recording room. "Hot in there, isn't it?" Willson-Piper asks a startled bystander. "Yeah, I feel I'm taking a shower," the man says. Willson-Piper laughs, exclaiming, "Oh, not me! I'm originally from Liverpool, y'know. We're used to disgusting conditions there." As they go back in to finish the set, someone jokingly complains about going back into the heat. Willson-Piper points at the offender. "Get back in there!" he bellows, a playful smile ruining his feigned anger. After the performance, Kilbey escapes to the studio kitchen, slumping deep into the sofa. Although he readily agrees to talk, his guard is up; he sits turned away from me, studying the opposite wall. But occasionally-without warning-he'll turn and make intense, piercing eye contact. It's an unsettling habit. Despite the slouch, nervous habits (constantly running his fingers through his hair) betray his discomfort with talking to a stranger. This uneasiness, however is far removed from the openness of his lyrics. Exploding with symbolism and lush imagery, his choice of words is neither typical nor simplistic. But Kilbey denies putting much time or effort into them. "It's all come...very quickly, randomly improvised. [If] it takes more than two minutes to write, I don't spend any time on it. [If] it doesn't just go 'bang,' I don't do it." He smiles serenely. "But it always does. It never fails." Embarrassed, I confess I've apparently been reading far too much into his words. "I think that's great. I think that's fantastic; that's what it's all about," he responds. "That's who the music is written for-people like you. It's to you, absolutely, without any middleman. And everything you get out of it is supposed to be there. "It's like someone releasing bubbles, and people looking and seeing all these different rainbow colors in them. Just 'cause the guy who does it doesn't see all the rainbows doesn't mean the ones the other people are seeing aren't valid." He shakes his head, as if he's getting lost in his own analogy. Then, composed again, he concludes, "It's just totally open to interpretation. It's as ambiguous as you like. And it means every possible meaning; they're all included." What about charges of his being pretentious? Kilbey is unconcerned. "Some people want rock 'n roll to be a simple medium; they want it to stick to its original thing, which was about simplicity. And as soon as anybody strays off that beaten track, they don't like it...saying, 'Oh, you're not supposed to be doing that.' But you know I'm not going to set anybody else's limitations." Kilbey's tolerance of others' right to experiment also extends to his own career. In addition to his Church responsibilities, he's involved with solo and side projects (most notably Jack Frost, with fellow Australian Grant McLennan, an ex-Go Betweens member), publishing his poetry, and working on two novels. Realizing he's stretched too think though, he's cutting out some activities. One casualty is Hex, a collaboration with ex-Game Theory member Donette Thayer. I admit that since only Thayer sang on Hex albums, the project's demise doesn't bother me as much as the dissolution of Jack Frost would. "Yeah?" He scrutinizes my opinion, amused at my preference for his voice. "Well, you're looking for a different thing out of that. What you're looking for a male's gonna do." His meaning is clear, and he grins broadly, knowing he's disconcerting me. The Kilbey Cat & Mouse Game in action. Then, deciding he's teased enough, he discusses his solo work, for which he's written "Lots of things, bits and pieces coming out all over the place. But I haven't written a [whole]song for a while, strange enough." Currently, he's creating an ambient, ethereal album-a different musical direction for him. "That's going to be a really good album. I just know it," he says, with conviction. Suddenly, those intense blue eyes swerve my way again. "Ethereal' has become a bit of a dirty word, hasn't it?" he says, laughing. "Everybody says that." I say it probably depends on whether the term refers to Dead Can Dance-type ethereal, or faddish shoegazer ethereal. "The shoegazers," he says thoughtfully, smiling to himself before dismissing them with a pitying shake of his head. "Poor old shoegazers..." Those poor old shoegazers are doubtless envious of Kilbey's secure position-while the shoegazing fad fades, the Church's versatile sound stays safely isolated from fleeting trends and fickle audiences. This seclusion hasn't kept the band from achieving success, however, as "Under the Milky Way" (from Starfish) proves. In 1988, the song reached the U.S. Top Twenty, and the top five in several other countries, breaking the Church out from cult status. It also won the band several Arias (the Australien equivalent to Grammys). But, when the possibility of repeating this chart success with a "Sometime Anywhere" single is mentioned, Kilbey immediately looks annoyed. "I just make it and let it go. The people decide all those kinds of things." He abruptly stands up. "I'm gonna get some fresh air," he says, stepping out the back door. When he comes back inside seconds later, the dark mood has vanished, and he's smiling as we walk down the hall. "Much better. I felt like I was going to suffocate when we played, you know? so hot." We find everyone wandering around the lobby, and he disappears into the engineering room before anyone intercepts him. But before going in, he grins mischievously and pretends to punch me. I'm caught off guard, unsure of the correct response. With Kilbey, only close friends would probably know what to expect from him. And who knows what to expect from the Church-considering the wildly different personalities involved, the only certainty likely seems another 15 years of originality and versatility. __________________________________________________ That's it. Can someone post me personally just so I know this was posted and my mailer didn't mess up. Thanks! Rhonda From ZEPPELIN@ac.dal.ca Thu Aug 11 12:22 PDT 1994 <01HFSFEAVCJ4004NX2@SYSWRK.UCIS.DAL.CA>; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 16:22:37 -0400 <01HFSFDS6ZUI00S7CE@AC.DAL.CA>; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 16:22:30 -0300 From: ZEPPELIN@ac.dal.ca Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE X-Vms-To: IN%"seance@thechurch.ebay.sun.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT UNSUBSCRIBE From john.brownosullivan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Thu Aug 11 17:06 PDT 1994 X-Sender: ou005076@brandywine.otago.ac.nz From: john.brownosullivan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (John Brown-O'Sullivan) Subject: are the lyrics ready yet? I sent this out a couple of days ago, but it bounced (again). First, thanks heaps to Rhonds for that very cool article - it's things like that that keep me on this listserver. I too have an article (well, a review) to type in, from NZ's premier music mag, Rip it Up, but I don't have it here, so maybe some other time. All you Englishmen out there, how were SA & SE received by NME and Melody Maker? 1. When I first joined Seance, some kind person sent me lyrics to most of the Church songs, with the exception of The Blurred Crusade, and various songs on A Quick Smoke... Can anyone send me the lyrics to The Blurred Crusade? 2. (More importantly) Is there a 'definitive' set of lyrics prepared for SA & SE yet? (ie in the same format as all the others) If so, can someone please send them to me? John From matthew.blair@afrc.ac.uk Fri Aug 12 01:52 PDT 1994 Content-Identifier: 118862750000 From: BLAIRM Subject: any englishmen out there ? Sensitivity: Company-Confidential John writes > All you Englishmen out there, how were SA & SE received by NME and Melody >Maker? Sorry, John, I don't think there *are* any 'ENGLISHMEN' here. Just me, a genuine, bona fide SCOTSMAN. Still counts as being British, but there is a distinction. Call any Scotsman an Englishman and you'll find out some new ways of verbally abusing people ;) Apologies to any Englishmen who *are* on the list, but if you are, you've been very quiet. Anyway, back to the subject. I've not seen any reviews of SASE in either NME, or Melody Maker. That's not to say there weren't any, but I could find them. However, in other magazines, ie Q magazine, SASE has been well received. It was even reviewed in a monthly Satellite TV mag !!! The review went something like ' The church's 9'th studio albumn, their first without guitarist Peter Koppes, finds them in a more textural mode. If you've considered buying Pink Floyd's Division Bell, buy this instead' That was it !! What a review !! No wonder the LP has been at number 1 in the charts for over 10 weeks now - NOT !! > Can anyone send me the lyrics to The Blurred Crusade? I've got the lyrics to BC in the house (on the gatefold sleeve of the LP) so if I'm bored one day, I'll type them in. Unless someone else has them handy. You can get them by ftp'ing 'ftp.sunet.se', or some such other place. >2. (More importantly) Is there a 'definitive' set of lyrics prepared for SA >& SE yet? (ie in the same format as all the others) If so, can someone >please send them to me? Yeah, SASE lyrics would be cool, but what do you mean 'same format as all the others' ? Do you need a particular package to read the lyrics, or are they in ASCII ? Big thanks to Rhonda for the article. It was excellent. Also, Rhonda, it was you who liked the Waterboys, wasn't it ? Well Mike Scott is playing a small pub in Edinburgh tommorow, so guess who's gonna try and get in ? I don't have a clue when or where, I just saw a poster in passing last week, advertising Mike Scott as playing this Saturday. If I get there, I'll let you know what it was like. Latter, MAtt. From mosk Fri Aug 12 07:57 PDT 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: any englishmen out there ? > From matthew.blair@afrc.ac.uk Fri Aug 12 01:52:51 1994 > > Sorry, John, I don't think there *are* any 'ENGLISHMEN' here. Just me, a > genuine, bona fide SCOTSMAN. Still counts as being British, but there is a > distinction. Call any Scotsman an Englishman and you'll find out some new > ways of verbally abusing people ;) Apologies to any Englishmen who *are* > on the list, but if you are, you've been very quiet. > Latter, > MAtt. > No apologies needed Matt, you are the *sole* representative for the British Isles at the moment... It puts a nice little load of responsibilities on your shoulders, doesn't it??? :-) -morten From mrg@mame.mu.OZ.AU Fri Aug 12 08:09 PDT 1994 Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Subject: Re: any englishmen out there ? <9408121457.AA02490@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM> From: matthew green >No apologies needed Matt, you are the *sole* representative for the >British Isles at the moment... >It puts a nice little load of responsibilities on your shoulders, >doesn't it??? :-) it's not too bad. here, i've gotta bloody handle two people who seems to know more than i do at times. and then they invade your night life, and also your work. grin, .mrg. From john.brownosullivan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Fri Aug 12 20:27 PDT 1994 X-Sender: ou005076@brandywine.otago.ac.nz From: john.brownosullivan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (John Brown-O'Sullivan) Subject: SA & SE lyrics cont. > I've got the lyrics to BC in the house (on the gatefold sleeve of the LP) >so if I'm bored one day, I'll type them in. Unless someone else has them >handy. You can get them by ftp'ing 'ftp.sunet.se', or some such other place. Problem is, I can't FTP! > Yeah, SASE lyrics would be cool, but what do you mean 'same format as all >the others' ? Do you need a particular package to read the lyrics, or are >they in ASCII ? All I meant by that is ordinary email messages, with the same spacing to the left of the lyrics as all of the other lyrics! Who typed in all of those lyrics originally? I was very happy to get them, but I couldn't help disagreeing with a few of the interpretations; eg on N S E & W the line given as 'to a wolf from a lamb for just half a gram' sounds more like 'took a walk from the land for just half a grand' to me. Anyway, does anyone know if there is a complete, unabridged, near-spotless set of SA/SE lyrics ready? And, does anyone have the lyrics to b-sides from 'Hindsight' on disk, and if so could they send them to me please. I know they're on the record cover, but my record is elsewhere, and I have dreams of having a complete set of Church & Kilbey lyrics on luverly laser-printed paper... p.s. 1. Rhonda, when was that article from? I guess it must be quite old, 'cos I thought the Church had long left America's shores 2. I am keen to get a copy of one (or all!) of the Churches acoustical performances. Does anyone have a particularly good concert they taped? 3. Does anyone know why they did the acoustic performances? I have always regarded the Church as a very 'Electric' band, and the concerts sound like they were nothing like either previous Church concerts or like SA/SE. John From pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Sun Aug 14 13:09 PDT 1994 From: pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Subject: Re: are the lyrics be ready yet? Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM here's Blurred Crusade and somewhat incomplete SA lyrics for you: @ALBUM: THE.BLURRED.CRUSADE @SONG: Almost_With_You See the chains which bind the men Can you taste their lonely arrogance It's always too late And your face is so cold They struggled for this opulence See the suns which blind the men Burnt away so long before our time Now their warmth is forgotten and gone Pretty maids not far behind Who you trying to get in touch with I'm almost with you I can sense it wait for me I'm almost with you Is this the taste of victory I'm almost with you See the dust which fills your sleep Does it always feel this chill near the end I never dreamed we'd meet here once more This life reserved for a friend @SONG: When_You_Were_Mine On a day like this, a hundred lifetimes ago You on a shore, across the point I looked through my hands and you drew me a line When you were mine On a world like this, a hunderd turns left to go Deep in a room, which I've never seen Outside it's so cold but I'm waiting for time When you were mine Plenty of islands between now and then Rocks break the boats of the painted face men And they drown, and they're born And they live once again And this all happens When you were mine In a storm like this, a hunderd kisses of snow You with another so easily sleep What's real and what's dreamt become close and entwine When you were mine @SONG: Field_Of_Mars It's a long way home from the Field of Mars Distant, alone, beneath the platimun stars And I turn to look, but I'm never any closer Only just the rain makes the skin feel colder All my life seems so far away The air is soft in the Field of Mars Tears and loss feed the overgrown grass And I have to leave, but I never seem to go Only more sad clouds where autumn winds will blow All my dreams seem so long ago Oh, Field of Mars Time is past in the Field of Mars Grief won't last in the departing cars And I call her name, but she never, ever hears And I call again to the cruelty of the years Oh my love she's so far away Oh, Field of Mars @SONG: An_Interlude "They're going to send you away" she said Psychic angels spread on the top of her head And in the compartments of my dread The rush hour crush travels home to bed "You never seem to hear" she smiled Statues tiptoe for a glimpse of the child The lawns are always lush and wild Spacious floors bejewelled and tiled "How are you getting home" she laughed Mermaids drowned but I clung to the raft It's just the water in the bath An interlude for the busy staff @SONG: Secret_Corners Lying alone, isn't that you Drifting away Is the only thing left to do Such a sad place, such a lost world But nothing is sadder Than the tears of a make-believe girl Who is this child, who is this man Only two people Who are doing all they can Frost on the ground, the cruel winds of fate Blow us forever And I know there's just no escape Run to the secret corners of your room I'll still be waiting I'll still be waiting @SONG: Just_For_You Sometimes when the darkness loses its hold I tread politely in the cold Racking my brains Pumping my veins And taking the evening train from view But you know I never wanted to Ah, you know I did it just for you And it's so easy to hurt me now And you've forgotten anyhow That certain ideas Have changed through the years I purchased some tears just to see me through But you know I never wanted to Ah, you know I did it just for you One day I noticed the world at my feet Next day comes and it rolls into the street Gathering speed Paying no heed That made me bleed until I was blue But you know I never wanted to Ah, you know I did it just for you @SONG: A_Fire_Burns The rusty stream of dawn completes The scenes where cars once crawled these streets A face against the moving sky Brings back an alien hope Just like they said to me Keep your heart inside your coat Well there's muddy shoes outside your door Is anybody home I ask once more A silver-plated jet comes home But the map leads her astray Just like they said to me Find your heart and lose your way A fire burns inside me The snow still falls in flakes The reins around a horse's throat Turn into a lake And people so familiar Their words are in my mind A fire burns inside me Dancing cool and blind Beside the wall the flowers grow And down the sticky stems I go Watching changing skies below Your arms so far away Just like they said to me Life is worth another stay @SONG: To_Be_In_Your_Eyes Night-time is so lonely When you hear a sound But it's only an empty heart Beating on through the night A sad sad drum And I'm lying here listening And the raindrops are all glistening In my dreams And it seems That the sun never comes And I want my sad reflection To go drifting through the skies To be in your eyes And I'm waking to this aching And it's breaking me in two All the space All the waste All the distance between me and you And the people with their voices Random choices will they ever learn To really see Really be on fire when their spirit burns I want the person inside me To be someone I'd recognise If he was in your eyes So I'm waiting, contemplating Relocating a faded image in my thoughts But the memories are like clouds Try so hard But they never can be caught But I'm trying, yes I'm trying But I'm only lying in the dark So alone On my own No one home And if love was worth a fortune Then I'd need a rise To be in your eyes I want these words to be the things I hoped you'd realised To be in your eyes @SONG: You_Took You took a piece of my heart You took a piece of my heart And I don't know why No I don't know why It was clear in coming here I must have put the horse before the cart Before the cart You took the lead from the start You took the lead from the start And I don't know why No I don't know why It was clear in coming here I must have put the skin before the heart Before the heart You took the rest of the day You took the rest of the day And I don't know why No I don't know why Now that it's all over Now there's just some coldness in my way It's in my way You took the clubs and the spades You took the clubs and the spades And I don't know why No I don't know why It's a shame it's not a game We're playing in it's just the blurred crusade The blurred crusade @SONG: Don't_Look_Back Sometime up here, watching a cloud Funny how they shape your thoughts Right out loud Some days you laugh Some days you cry So deep in a night It leaves you stranded high and dry Keep to yourself, keep it in case Keep it when you need it for a pretty smile For your face Walk out in the sun Walk out in the rain Keep on walking And don't look back here again ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This and other Church lyrics brought to you by Paul Webb pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------- @ALBUM: SOMETIME.ANYWHERE @SONG: Day_Of_The_Dead Day of the dead down in Mexico You ever been on a holiday? You ever thought that you been here before You ever been in a desperate way On the beach stands a donkey who is waiting for you He hee-haws, stamping his hoof A fine blue day as dreamed by the boys Nodding up on the roof And in the meetings held in the darkness And in the darkness everyone's blind Venereal monsters stand there in velvet And you know you're falling behind Drink in a bar down in Leap Motel I get involved with a prisoner She's got a skull like a seraphim I figure she is a messenger She's at the heart of the festival She's got the hands of a picador She asks the spirits for a romance She gets a ghost for a paramour And in the weddings held in the darkness 'Cause in the darkness the guests are all blind Great lumps are melting wrapped up in satin And I know you're falling behind Day of the dead down in Mexico We read a book on the Alamo We filled the tank up with Texaco We buy a trinket for curio We walk big stuff through the marketplace Dripping smoke, dollars and aftershave I got the mind of an astronaut Emerging from the shell unscathed Climbing out of hell unchanged But then the dealers deal in the darkness And in the darkness dealers are blind Jokers and aces, bruisy and blackfern I know you're falling behind @SONG: LOST_MY_TOUCH Streets of burnt-out shells, insurance jobs A temporary spell in hell and it throbs It throbs like hell in some divine comedy It won't sell and that's the tragedy But I know my way home I can get there alone The day I need you they can feed me to the lions They can stop trying to get it started It's heart is gone it's shone for the last time It's past time it's mean time held over in-between time It's like Halloween time I don't owe you anything Now I'm out of power Now I've lost my touch Please don't touch anything Every passing hour Overcomes too much I don't owe you anything There's a weaker weaker in the other speaker A weaker echo of my own voice Reproduced mechanically and electronically A symphony of frequencies delivering A slithering sound a pound of flesh Caught in the mesh of pressure A special deluxe de-estit you guessed it I'm trembling I don't owe you anything Now I've lost my power Now I'm out of touch Please don't touch anything Every passing hour Overcomes too much I don't owe you anything Now I've lost my mind Now I'm out of touch Should you would you could you could Could you look good back on the street Your feet get cold you're too old you've been told You should've sold your soul It's not worth anything anything out here Not worth the earth you're standing on Earth mother earth hurt sweet mother earth What are you worth? I don't owe you anything Now I'm out of power Now I've lost my touch Please don't touch anything Every passing hour Overcomes too much I don't owe you anything Now I've lost my power Now I'm out of touch I don't owe you anything, ah Please don't touch anything, ah I don't owe you anything, ah I don't owe you anything, ah ah Please don't touch anything, ah ah Then he said his name is Red He wasn't dominating, illuminating This is a soul beat 1 2 3 that's how easy it's gonna be Everything is complete If you need to cheat If you want to eat In the air Once you've eaten Come with me Are you lonely up there? Do you wanna lose? It's not really fair Fair enough, it's tough stuff It's tough to get enough and you laugh You laugh but you can't get the staff Hold onto the raft It's my craft It's finished, kaput It's over, finito Benito Dead Fred Gone for a song like old Hong kong Gone for a song @SONG: Loveblind Have I told you 'bout the case of the man who had no face? Trying His wife suspected something, that's why she brought me in We arranged to meet one night at a bar called Aphrodite's On second street But when I looked into her eyes I very quickly realized The danger The price was right, a deal was struck I don't think that she gave it a thought It was plain to see That the lady was loveblind It was clear to see It was clear that she was loveblind Out into the foggy night, into the city's blurry light I drove alone I wondered then what kind of place would make a man lose face I pieced together clue by clue just what a faceless man would do It wasn't hard Who would he love, where would he go, places faceless men would know On second street I was close, I was near, but that woman just wouldn't hear It was plain to see That the lady was loveblind It was clear to see It was clear that she was loveblind Loveblind Next morning came as mornings do, I had a shave it was close too A close shave In the mirror in my space, there was a man without a face I rang my client and I banged on her door I told her it was me that we was looking for It was plain to see That the lady was loveblind It was clear to see It was clear that she was loveblind @SONG: My_Little_Problem You must have heard about my little problem Ah come on, you must have heard about it It's no ordinary problem Look in my eyes, there can be no doubt about it And of course it gets worse at night It gets late, things start to change Clock is stopped, thermometer is bulging Hot late night bound to make us estranged Soft dead moon all over your shoulders Cold shadow in the glare of the glow Factory billboards on outskirts of city Shine down new attractions to the traffic below Remember this day Remember this room Remember this singer singing I remember you A sudden flash A sudden light Abandoning the afternoon as it sinks into the night Flourescent bedroom flicker starts to teach me to wonder I hear a mandolin in the springs Out the wardrobe floats the hint of a rumor Dressed in your beloved's finest things Can you hear the voices that are constantly talking Am I the only one to succumb to their roar Well I know the form it is taking It's not making sense anymore The way you say you just wanna help me The way your clinging is slinging me under The strength I need already denied me Your big ideas and your little wonder Some people don't come over because of the problem I heard the top guy won't answer his phone I wonder if he has the same kind of problem A little difficulty of his own So take this plastic and rent me some wheels Or maybe I'll try to fly No reservations, I'll see how it feels When I'm over your house up in the sky And when the sun is squeezing through the blinds You will be far away Deep afternoons seeing the moon would have shined Deep in your dream I hear you say Have you heard about my little problem I just know it isn't a secret It's just a very ordinary problem The secret doesn't matter if you keep it or leak it @SONG: The_Maven Here comes the Maven, he's coming around He's such a connoisseur, he's such an autograph hound, yeah He's got 60 yes-men and they tend to agree There's a long black book without any eyes He's got my number but he's got your size, yeah And if you measure up then a sure trick'll be wise Just turn the light off when you go (he hates the dark) Just tell the jury all you know (was just a lark) We'll send a sign to you over the sea There goes the Maven, sowing his seed One for the rock, one for the hand that feeds, yeah He reaps the harvest with his sleight of hand Just say the magic word and he's at your side Beware his tender touch, his plans are chilly and wide, yeah Sleeps through the winter in a white quiet land Here is the Maven, draining the cup He takes your arm and then he eats you up, yeah There is a surfeit of everything you crave Here is the Maven, signing the check He bought us dinner so what the fucking heck, yeah There is a surplus of everything you save @SONG: Angelica Stretching out to catch Stretching out to catch Stretching out to catch the slender message Angelica I want you (x8) Crashing down Crashing down Crashing down in a shower of sparks Crashing down Crashing down Crashing down in a shower of sparks The civilized gentleman The civilized gentleman The civilized gentleman is gonna be nice The civilized gantleman The civilized gentleman The civilized gentleman isn't gonna be nice To you tonight To you tonight To you tonight unless you pay me Pay me good Pay me well Pay me with a trip to hell She reaches for him in a jealous moment (x3) I've got a verbal caress I've got it, I've got it here in my mouth And it's here for you And I'll share it My tongue is wet My tongue is wet This verbal caress is gonna get wet Angelica I want you (x4) Little johnny ginsing jumped on the jelly roll I saw him looking down the falling on the bowling alley Lookout jimmy your father's inside Angelica, stop making up those lies @SONG: Lullaby We come to pay homage to the golden one We share and bear the message of your newborn son We follow paths of falling stars In and out of mangers, other bars Opportunity knocked you up I guess Gave you your little baby success You've got potential, you have the gift You have the chance to heal a million rifts We've been sent to sing a lullaby for you We've been sent to sing a lullaby We've brought oils, gold and wine and bread Dreaming pillow for his divine head Astrologers all, we plot the charts And wise men, we can look into people's hearts A doom is on this child that I can see He don't belong in this time with you and me His life will not be very long Before you know it he will be gone We've been sent to sing a lullaby for you We've been sent to sing a lullaby @SONG: Two_Places_At_Once Arrive in a hive city Somewhere in the east Floating down a crowded street As though I am or I will be released Ellie stop yawning, clear blue morning In mourning no more Come and see the wild things that are Just beyond the door But there's and old man here, he claims that he knew you In another life I'm not sure what he's saying Ellie Could it be he still thinks you're his wife I've been waiting, seems like eternity I've been waiting, waiting for you I'm still waiting, if you remember me I'll be waiting, waiting for you Trinkets sing on a desert wind behind here Where ghosts have laid their final claim to rest But who they loved and what they thought they stayed for Has crumbled in their last dusty carress They were so blind They were so blind Hiding in a hotel room Somewhere in the west I heard they brought a priest in to sanctify the place But it remains unblessed Things move around My guitar sometimes plays itself They say it's static electricity, but Yesterday it took twenty dollars off the shelf There's a young man here Says he married you in another town The children cry, and ask where their mother lives Gonna have to let them down Yeah I've been hurt but I've been around I've been waiting, seems like eternity I've been waiting, waiting for you I'm still waiting, if you remember me I'll be waiting, waiting for you Limpet shells are fading in the valley Where once the sea had strength enough to reach But out of twisted metal of discarded fortune's curse No one here can quite translate the verses that they wanted to preach They were blind They were so blind They were so blind I've been waiting, seems like eternity I've been waiting, waiting for you I'm still waiting, if you remember me I'll be waiting, waiting for you @SONG: Business_Woman Imagine her, all of her wealth And in the arms of somebody else I imagine her in bed With her communication skills Cabinet full of creams and pills Paying the bills and beating the rent You'll never understand The wonderful mind of that woman Powerful beauty in her eyes Look at that business woman She's got a head on her shoulders Look at that business woman She's not that much older than you And she reveals inner soul Stopped like the flutters in death's robe When she reveals her secret life All of the gifts come deep and swift Promise her anything only if You're going to have to leave your wife She'll never understand The wonderful mind of that woman Beautiful power in her eyes Look at that business woman She's got a head on her shoulders Look at that business woman She's not that much older than you And when she comes the stars explode Exquisite results in input mode Just when she comes she's suddenly gone Maybe you'll find her, maybe you won't Maybe she loves you, baby she don't Maybe you'll find that you are alone You'll never comprehend All of the means, all of the ends Business woman in her eyes Look at that business woman She's got a head on her shoulders Look at that business woman She's not that much older than you @SONG: Authority She says it's ok The rent just went on entertainment But who's gonna say It's just not my day She's got enough stuff to get real tough Well she's the girl who plays The holiday is over, the honeymoon is over The garden's overgrown The trust is rusted, the link's been busted The seeds are sown The sounds of my breath, what do you expect Echo in the hall The ghost of the picture still haunts the master Bedroom mirror wall I suppose you'd say she made a fool of me Oh, but she has authority It used to be fine Days full of music, nights full of music Music all the time Invisible light I try my best without transgressed It used to be fine The chances are used up, the finances used up The energy is low Larry's our attorney, the others are stunned Deliver quite a blow The signs of disaster, I wouldn't put it past her The dagger's in the dark The stale perfume in her old room Howl of the shock I suppose you'd say she made a slave of me Oh, but she has authority I guess that that's all The curtain comes down and the circus leaves town The leaves begin to fall I guess that that's it The world keeps spinning, people keep sinning And all the rest is bullshit The shadow's getting longer, the window's getting younger The cup doth overflow The luxury of pity, babe this wasn't pretty On with the show Life is a tangle, the one that triangles The tangle of life lips You sleep like a baby, precious as a ruby Goodbye everything I suppose you'd say she made a fool of me Oh, but she has authority The words are all spoken The promises are broken The sleepers are awoken The frogs are all croakin' The fires are all smokin' It's just a token of authority @SONG: Fly_Home Listen, collect your thoughts, don't hide If you can't face yourself collide The blue sheet of sky dazzles your eyes But leaves you slumped against the night They captured you, chopped off your hand Left for dead And buried your body in sun-soaked sand Fly home Is there patience where you think Only empty arms to take you in Pale luminescent glare Surrounds you 'til you can't see it's there Uncoiled flag below the wind A torn lid You can't come out 'cause you're so far in Fly home Ancient in the image cast Reminds you the future's like the past Time split into equal spheres Haunting you, using up your fears Something hateful in your head Then kick it out You're skull and heart but your wings are dead Fly home @SONG: The_Dead_Man's_Dream Once I had a name, forgotten now I breathed the air in a century of wonder I can hear it now in the darkness of the earth Gorgeous machines, the sound they made like thunder Great gardens drip honey-jewels and bright birds The pageants pass down avenues of splendor Ah, long afternoons by enchanted panes Upon elephants, so well I do remember Lords and priests and talking beasts Golden calves and telepaths Crystal skulls and screaming gulls Women glowed tattooed with woe Colored mists and amethysts Men were strong and days were long Dragons glide on mountainside Mandrake root and angel fruit Sighing winds on silver skin Creation transubstantiation Unicorns, electric storms Tunes and runes, we laughed till noon Sweet release, eternal peace any corrections and/or additions are welcome -paul From BSmith@VCOMTELC.TELECOM.com.au Sun Aug 14 23:38 PDT 1994 From: "Smith, Brian" Subject: P. Black ? L.J. Cooper Does anyone recall seeing these names in connection with The Church or Steve Kilbey. I think they might be connected, but can't be sure. Brian From matthew.blair@afrc.ac.uk Mon Aug 15 04:17 PDT 1994 Content-Identifier: 11887B122800 From: BLAIRM Subject: waterboys...boo hoo Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Just a couple of quickies. I found out where Mike Scott was playing on the day of the gig, and made it along. Unfortunately, the place was sold out !! I did try to get in, (you know, 'hew man, I'm in a band, see, that's my poster over there' type thing) but to no avail :( From what I could hear outside, it was quite an intimate set. Boo Hoo !! It was billed as Mike Scott, simply because these days he *is* the Waterboys. I'm not sure if he's planning any more gigs at the moment, as he seems to be half mad, living in some kind of free love commune where they all talk to faires and ufo's etc. Least that's what it said in the paper last month. He went there to get his head straight after living too much of 'the rock'n'roll lifestyle'. Sounds good to me ;) John writes >them, but I couldn't help disagreeing with a few of the interpretations; >eg on N S E & W the line given as > 'to a wolf from a lamb for just half a gram' >sounds more like > 'took a walk from the land for just half a grand' >to me. Dunno John, sounds like the 'wolf' line to me. Least that's what I've always sung along to, tho' your line sounds quite plausable too. Well that's all folks MAtt. From john.brownosullivan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Mon Aug 15 15:51 PDT 1994 X-Sender: ou005076@brandywine.otago.ac.nz From: john.brownosullivan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (John Brown-O'Sullivan) Subject: all those articles Many thanks to Paul for sending me the BC and SA lyrics - I now have the lyrics to all 10 albums! I spent a happy hour yesterday cutting and pasting, changing font sizes, correcting spelling mistakes, adding page breaks etc - oneday I will print them all out on a deskwriter and have a (bound) copy occupying pride of place on my shelves, next to stuff by David Lindsay and other genii. psst - on Authority, I think the line is 'life is a tangle of one-night triangles'. Just to scrape the bottom of the barrel, I will ask if there are lyrics to 'Sing Songs' and SE anywhere - (altho I can only make out lyrics for Drought, Time Being, Leave your clothes on and MYM). A few other things: > there was also an interview with steve in this weeks > `beat' magazine, where mr anthony horan works, but it > wasn't done by anthony (i'm sure he's not real happy about > that ;).. He's not. :) That interview was done by Mike Gee in Perth a while before the release of the album; he works for a company that makes its income from gaining "exclusive" interviews with famous music people and selling them around Australia. Does anyone have this interview, and has it been sent to Seance? > In part two of the Sound & Image magazine July/August (1992) interview, > Steve said that the Disillusionist was based on an encounter with 'a guy > [who] came up to me waving a magazine interview I'd done a month or two > disillusioning people. Well you sure disillusioned me !" I came up with > this great idea of a man going from twon to town, disillusioning people.' > > Does anyone have that interview? Yeah, I typed that up and sent it out several months back....anyone keep it? Brian Smith said Surely someone kept a copy of this! Last of all, has Anthony done his interview with SK yet? John From mrg@mame.mu.OZ.AU Mon Aug 15 17:27 PDT 1994 Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Subject: Re: all those articles <199408152147.AA12413@arwen.otago.ac.nz> From: matthew green >> there was also an interview with steve in this weeks >> `beat' magazine, where mr anthony horan works, but it >> wasn't done by anthony (i'm sure he's not real happy about >> that ;).. > >He's not. :) That interview was done by Mike Gee in Perth a while before the >release of the album; he works for a company that makes its income from >gaining "exclusive" interviews with famous music people and selling them >around Australia. > >Does anyone have this interview, and has it been sent to Seance? it's still sitting on my desk waiting to be typed in. i will do so, because it was a great interview (sorry anthony ;-). .mrg. From seance Tue Aug 16 08:56 PDT 1994 From: seance (Mailing list for the Church) Subject: REPOST: Interview with Skilbey, April 1992 PART ONE ----- Begin Included Message ----- From BSmith@vcomtelc.telecom.com.au Tue Jun 15 00:16 PDT 1993 From: "Smith, Brian" Subject: Interview with Skilbey, April 1992 PART ONE All typos 'n stuff are entirely my fault. Copied without permission from Sound & Image magazine. Any complaints ? 5...4...3...2..1...Nope. Here we go then. This interview is copied from Sound & Image magazine July/August (1992). SI: Can you remember your earliest musical influences ? SK: The first record I sent my father out to buy for me was Under The boardwalk by the Rolling Stones. The first album I bought was It's Too Easy by The Easybeats. Fantastic ! Every song a hit. Then, when I was 11 years old, my father took me to the Albert Hall in Canberra. He'd bought me a front-row ticket and the bill turned out to be MPD Ltd, Bobbie & Laurie, Normie Rowe, with The Easybeats heading the bill. Little Stevie doing his leapfrogging-over-the-band trick, throwing drumsticks into he audience, girls screaming. I thought, "I've got to get into this !" Even before this I remember riding my bike through the alleyways between houses in the Canberra suburbs and there was this guy opening up the case of an electric guitar. I'd never seen an electric guitar and there was this plush velvet case lining this white and silver precision instrument. I still feel like this when I open a guitar case. I still remember my first gig. I was off work for three days leading up to it. Just worried sick - vomiting for days. Before the gig I had 100 weeds. But after that - no worries. SI: Do you play keyboards on stage or just bass ? (Ed note: Never been to a Church concert....) Just bass. I've got a Galleon - Kruger 7 to 800 Watts and ... well a great big heavy cabinet full of speakers. In 1973 I bought a six string Fender bass. Someone said to me the other day, 'give me a look at your baritone guitar', and that's what it is. I'd often plinked around with it and recorded with it occasionally but never really treated it as a bass = through an amp, with the band. But the other day, I had lent all my other basses out and took the six-string to rehearsals and started playing it with a pick (I usually us my fingers). And I was astonished at what an amazing bass guitar it really is. Forget the plinky stuff and the tremolo arm. It's now my main 'axe'. I used it on every track Priest = Aura - getting in with the rest of the band, playing my 'art' stuff. SI: You don't find that, with a six string, there's a temptation to neglect that all - important bottom end role of the bass player ? SK: No, I try to get it all in. I try and keep the bottom-end going and bung in some chords; the whole lot. As we were doing Priest = Aura, the recording engineer kept saying, 'now let's get out the four string bass, we need a really solid bass sound on this one'. We'd get one out, and he'd always agree to go back to the six string. I've got ten year old strings on it and I daren't break one; they just don't make them any more and the neck is too long to use other strings. SI: Was bass your first instrument ? SK: No, I had some piano lessons when I was ten, but I didn't really learn very much. It was a new system with numbers under the notes showing which fingers to use. IN the end my teacher said I was doing well, but I wasn't reading the music, I was looking at these numbers - it was more like working a typewriter. When they gave me something without the numbers I couldn't do a thing - I was faking it, and was terribly embarrassed when I was expose. I never gained any sense of notes or harmony from these lessons - I got further just trying to work out little piano riffs by ear. Then, at sixteen, I decided that I wanted to learn bass. I wanted to get into a band really badly and I thought that drums would be too much of a hassle. Guitar looked too hard and every kid in the street played really well. So I thought that bass would be the quickest ticket to get in. And it is ! I got really lucky when, a year later, I got a gig with cabaret 50/50 band (half covers, half originals) called Saga and I was making a small fortune. The band got very popular. We had to wear the same suits and go through these tacky routines. I didn't get on very well with the rest of the band, but I was making nearly $200, at 17 and those days . . .You'd turn up on a winter's night in some little ACT (Ed: Translation - In or near Canberra) country town and play in a room the size of someone's lounge room, squeezed in between the couch and the first - "oh, you're not using amps are you ?!" SI: How was growing up in Canberra ? SK: I didn't know it was Canberra, I thought it was the world ! It was the world of sitting around in blokes' bedrooms, listening to records and trying to play the guitar. So I think I would have turned out the same wherever I was. SI: When did you first meet the other members of the Church ? SK: I met Peter Koppes in 1973 when we were still teenagers. We did musical things together way back then. I met Marty Willson-Piper in 1980 and Jay Dee in 1988. Jay Dee replaces Richard Ploog, who left the band because of musical personal differences (Ed. Huh ?) JD was the drummer with the Patti Smith Group. We were touring with Tom Verlaine and he told us that if we ever needed a drummer, JD was our man. So when Ploog left, we knew where to look. (Ed. But where will he look now !) SI: Did you have any material left over from GAF that needed a hearing on P=A ? SK: No, we never do that. We always write a fresh batch of material for each album. SI: Did you have a particular flavour in mind for the album before you started work ? SK: No, just as long as it was nothing like GAF. GAF was to be the opposite model of what we were after. SI: Why ? What was wrong with GAF ? SK: I didn't like it. It didn't get any passionate critical assessments. Nobody really flow and it lacked ... I don't know ...beauty. I couldn't get excited about it at the time. It really wasn't a good bunch of songs. SI: Surely you must have some affection for Metropolis ... SK: No, it just wasn't innovative enough, even by Church standards; it was treading water. I blame myself = it just wasn't my best work. If you've got a bunch of good songs, it's hard to ruin them. And if your songs aren't good, it's very hard to turn them into a good album. SI: Most Church songs are co-operations between yourself and other Church dignitaries. Does the tradition continue with Priest=Aura ? SK: That's taken for granted now. Since the Heyday album, the songs are all basically written by the band, with me writing lyrics. With the odd exception of course, like Milky Way (Ed note: Steve & Karin Jansonn wrote that one. . .not that I need to tell you !) GAF was a totally co-operative album. SI: How does this approach work in practice ? SK: It's based on the interaction of four people. It's not about someone saying, "Here's a song I've written; now you play this ..." It's writing songs together, creating instruments that aren't there by the interplay of what you're doing. That's what we're trying to do. SI: What did you get up to immediately after GAF ? SK: The Church tour finished in mid 1990 and I came back the Australia and made Jack Frost with Grant McLennan, and then I went on a solo tour of the US - just me and an acoustic guitar ! (Ed. Anyone see/hear about this ?) SI: How was that ? SK: Oh it was a lot of fun ! I didn't pull a lot of people. I did New York, Washington, Baltimore, Boston and across to the West Coast: LA, San Francisco and famous Nine-Thirty Club in Washington and the small club out the back of McCabes' Guitar Shop in LA where they hold acoustic shows. I did two nights there - a really good place to play. After the tour we went back and toured with Jack Frost. SI: How did you enjoy working with Grant McLennan ? SK: It was great. He comes from a whole different way of writing songs. He strums on an acoustic guitar and gradually puts together a complete song, whereas I tend to write in a studio, jamming, putting words on them and modifying them as I go along. Grant's more of a purist. So that was very interesting. He had never written my way and I hadn't written like him since I first started writing and thought that that was the only way to do it. we found something in the middle where I'd be saying "Let's write now" and he'd be busy doing backing tracks. A good exchange of methods. SI: Is it a lonely existence for a solo performer ? SK: It's just me and the roadie/sound/light man. But you meet a lot of people. I have a lot of friends over there. I've been touring America for so long that there's a bunch of people I can hang out with in every town. It's very nice. SI: Are you a gregarious person ? SK: I'm not really gregarious, but I'm not downright anti-social. I enjoy the company of interesting people. SI: What sort of commercial impact is The Church having in the US ? SK: Starfish has almost gone 'Gold' in the US and GAF almost hasn't ! It's clocked up about 350 000 sales. P=A was released in America slightly before the Australian release, but I haven't yet heard how it's going. SI: How do members of The Church get on together after 12 years ? SK:Twelve years ago we were egotistical young twerps. We've grown up a lot and mutated from being a pop group to being a group of four musicians who like to play together (Ed. *Sniff* Ah, memories...) - that's why we still get together. There's not all that pop ideology anymore. SI: Do you still enjoy performing ? SK: Yeah, I like to be on stage, but not a lot of the things that go with it. Acoustics are a problem. You have to handle this random element every night. Like if your sound man have an argument with his wife two minutes before you went on ! I've never found a way to get artistic control over gigs. You rely on that guy out front and you just don't know what he's doing. At a sound check you can walk out with a cordless guitar, but you can't hear yourself singing. I've never done a tour where there was even a 70 % consensus that the sound man was any good. People would often come backstage in Australia and tell us, "you sounded awful". We had an American guy for a while who was a real artist. With him mixing for us, Bob Clearmountain came backstage and told us we sounded wonderful. We tried to keep him, but he went off with Laurie Anderson. SI: Do you ever have to play stadiums ? SK: God no ! We do smallish theatres and large pubs like Selina's (Ed: In Sydney) with audiences around the one or two thousand mark, with the up to three thousand at some of the Boston and New York venues. (Ed: Would this include the place where the 'Reptile' video was made ?) SI: Where was P=A recorded ? SK: It was all done at Emi's Studio 301. Partly digital; partly analogue. SI: How was the band involved in the actual production ? SK: It reads: 'Produced by The Church and Gavin McKillop'. In the past it's been "Bob Clearmountain and The Church", or "Waddy Wachtel and The Church". This time we're the major producers. Some of Gavin's recent credits included the last Straightjacket Fits album (Ed: A New Zealand band who supported The Church on the "Jokes-Magic-Souvenirs" Tour, which was confined to Australian soil. Hah ! :) back to the list...), Shriekback, General Public, Howard DeVoto and Hunters & Collectors - Human Frailty album. He's from Scotland, and when he was suggested to us by Arista, I really jumped at the chance. SI: A bit of a change from Waddy Wachtel ? SK: Definitely. But I have a tendency to try different juxtapositions of types of people. Any good group has potential in directions that they've never exploited. So I said, 'Let's see what the California-type-dudes can do to exploit a California-type side of the Church.' But the new albums definitely a Sydney album - The Church comes home ! SI: What have you been doing in the solo field recently ? SK: Well, I released a solo album last year (Ed: Actually, a 5 track.) that didn't do very well, called Narcosis. I recorded it at my own studio. SI: Your home studio in Rozelle ? SK: No, my new 'proper' studio in Surrey Hills. It's got a full 24 track recorder with an automated desk and a performance space behind glass windows and all that. I run MIDI sequencing through an Atari (Ed: Aarggh !!) computer using Cubase. SI: Do you find that music technology starts to get in the way of the creative impulse ? SK: It certainly can. I've got a partner and engineer named Pryce Surplice. He usually engineers what I do. I try to stay 'hands - off' these days, and leave Pryce to handle the technology. I understand what's happening and I can ask him to give me, 'that sample, played backwards and slowed down by three clock beats.' Otherwise you can get bogged down. SI: Have you recorded anyone else in your studio ? SK: Yes, I have been recording Margot Smith, a girl from Melbourne who's just been signed by Chrysalis and a girl from Canada named Mae Moore who's signed to Sony and there's a good chance that we'll get to do the whole album. (Ed: Anyone seen either of these two ?) SI: These aren't your first forays into producing other acts ? SK: Not at all. I've produced Hex - myself and a girl singer (Ed: Donette Thayer) which I did in the States. I produced Curious Yellow and Jack Frost and I would like to go on producing. It's the honorable way out when you're too old for anything else. SI: Which of your roles do you see as most important - writer, lyricist, producer, performer ? SK: I think what I am most pleased to be, is a jack-of-all trades. If someone else just needs some music, or lyrics, or just some bass, I think I can perform any task put in front of me. SI: But wouldn't you say that a big part of your role is the communication of ideas ? SK: No, not at all ! This might sound simplistic, but I just set out to create music that people enjoy. SI: What, pure entertainment ? SK: Not entertainment, enjoyment. There's a subtle difference. I'd like someone to come up to me and say, "I've just heard your latest record, and fuck, I really enjoyed it !" Then I know I've done my job. I don't have to go into it more deeply, though people can if they want to. People say that my music is sad and wistful, and yet I want people to enjoy it. But you can really enjoy a sad movie or a horror film. But if I stumbled across a good back-beat boogie, I might record it. PART ONE ENDS HERE. There's still a few more pages to type up, but this should keep us going for a while ! ----- End Included Message ----- From seance Tue Aug 16 08:56 PDT 1994 From: seance (Mailing list for the Church) Subject: REPOST: Part Two of SKilbey interview ----- Begin Included Message ----- From BSmith@vcomtelc.telecom.com.au Sun Jun 20 23:29 PDT 1993 From: "Smith, Brian" Subject: Part Two of SKilbey interview Typed out from Sound & Image magazine, who I'm not a part of PART TWO STARTS: why is this ? SK: That's very true. We're a real 'white' European band. Peter keeps telling me that I've got no blues, black or rhythm in my soul and it's true. I guess everyone approaches their own music differently in their heads. I guess it was a cerebral thing that first got me involved. SI: What are you listening to at the moment ? SK: I try to listen as much as I can, usually in spates. David Bowie's just had a lot of his stuff re-released on CD and I've had Low and Heroes on high-roration on the Cd for a while. Fantastic stuff. SI: What about new stuff ? SK: I thought the My Bloody Valentine album was great. I get a lot of the new English stuff, often just out of curiosity. I like some of the stuff Primal Scream are doing. If I really want to get stoned and turn it up really loud, I go into the studio. I've got the leather lounge and the Yamaha NS-10 monitors, and I really crank it up. At home, I've got twin nine-month old girls and they seem to enjoy a bit of volume, but some stuff they really don't like. SI: So how's the life of a family man ? SK: It was hard around the time they were born. I was doing Priest = Aura and staggering home at two or three. The kids would cry all night and I'd have to stagger back to the studio. Lokking after two kids can be a full-time job for both of us. I guess the nippers will cut down some of my travelling a bit, but I think that the recession will have more effect in this respect. We used to do promo tours through Europe for BMG, but that's not happening so much in the recession. The company probably looks after us better than our European success warrants. We've never been really successful there, not in record sales anyway. SI: Where are your favourite places to hang out in Europe ? SK: Spain, Amsterdam...I don't know if Australians realise that hash is more or less legal in Spain these days. It's great playing to a stoned audience. And if they think it sounds good then it does ! Some people enjoy music when they're drunk...but I don't. there a typical Church fan ? SK: No, and no. SI: Do you have lots of friends outside the music business ? SK: Most musicians I know don't differentiate between musicians and civilians. That's an old 'pop star' mode and some of the old school have a lot of fun being the centre of attention. Some it leads, quite literally, to suicide. SI: Would you call yourself a happy person ? SK: No, not really. I get pretty depressed. I don't think that whether I'm happy or sad has much bearing on the music I'm making. I specialise in making this sad-ish kind of music. There's enough happy midnless drivel going on and I feel that there's a need for these feelings to be expressed. Musically speaking, I'm quite happy being sad. SI: What is the significance of the album title, Priest = Aura ? SK: To me, finding an album title is like looking at a dog and saying "I'll call him Sandy because he looks like a Sandy." To me, P=A is just the right name for this album. It's hard to say why. It's a phrase that came about accidentally from a misunderstanding. The album title came up before the song of the same name. Everyone knew the album was going to be called Priest = Aura, and this shaped the songs and the sound. It's usually the other way round. SI: People tend to read mysticism into your lyrics. Does this indicate an ongoing process of inquiry going on inside you ? SK: Do you think that "Priest = Aura" sounds mystical ? I seem to have some sort of repuration for that but I can't see it. Which songs ? SI: Well, "The Disillusionist" for example. SK: That song came out of a real-life incident. We'd just done a really badly attended concert (Ed. Some towns have no taste...) at this place in America and the guy came up to me waving a magazine interview I'd done a month or two disillusioning people. Well you sure disillusioned me !" I came up with this great idea of a man going from twon to town, disillusioning people. I'm interested in philosophy, but I'm lazy and I don't actively pursue my own inquiries. I wish I could say that I was, but I'm not. I know that questions like "what is existence" and "why am I here ?" are far more important than plyaing the guitar or making a record. And I know that people would be very wise to spend time thinking about why they're here and what they can do about it. but I sort of lapse into playing music, listening to music, hanging out with friends, going out to restaurants and enjoying myself - and now bringing up twins. SI: Do you think having responsibility for the twins will change your ideas ? SK: Nothing will change my musical ideas. I'd be happy to see them become creative artists, but the music industry is a kind of pyramid with only a few successes at the top. There's too much emphasis on success - charts, sales figures, gold records etc. It's now a sort of competition. It seemed to start with Michael Jackson. Up till then, nobody cared how many records the Beatles sold; it was the quality of their music. But after Jackson, it was "Thirty Million" and that number was hammered home. Now quality has become quantity and it's too easy to feel a failure. It's like supermarkets squeezing out out corner stores. SI: You paint rather a gloomy picture of the industry. SK: As long as the youth keep throwing up a counter culture against the establishment, even though they will be absorbed into it next year, there will always be this continual revolt against the musical establishment. SI: Any more Steve Kilbey books in the pipeline ? SK: I'm working on a couple of things. I don't write notes as I go along, I just sit down and write the book. I've half a book on computer (Ed. What's he got ?!) at home (Ed.Probably on the Atari.....) but I'm not sure where it's going. I haven't got the energy or enthusiasm to finish it. I've just started another one which I think could be really good, but I'm too lazy to sit down and work on it. I really like reading Martin Amis; and books about rock 'n roll - Pete Townshend's autobiography. SI: Do you have a very sophisticated home entertainment set up ? (Ed Sound and Image is a hi-fi magazine, after all !) SK: God, no ! I've got a Yamaha amplifier, about 70 watts per channel I think, some large Bose STudiocraft speakers and a portable Sony CD player. That's a funny thing about me; I'm not that interested in sound quality - it's the stuff, the content that interests me. SI: Do you get involved in video production ? SK: No. I think it's a shame that music had to become so involved in video. Although it gives employment to a lot of creative people, it seems to water down the music element. I think it will eventually die out. (Ed. Bzzz ! Nominations for ' Most Contentious Comment of the Interview' are now closed. That one wins it !) SI: Any interesting future projects on the boil ? SK: I'm working on this project in which nobody will know it's me. SI: What' s it called ? SK: Hah ! ----- End Included Message ----- From Mailer-Daemon@Sun.COM Tue Aug 16 09:09 PDT 1994 From: Mailer-Daemon@Sun.COM (Mail Delivery Subsystem) Subject: Returned mail: User unknown ----- Transcript of session follows ----- Connected to GOETHITE.GEO.CORNELL.EDU: >>> DATA <<< 452 Out of disk space for temp file: No space left on device Connected to leland.Stanford.EDU: >>> RCPT To: <<< 550 ... User unknown 550 ... User unknown ----- Unsent message follows ----- From: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM (Mailing list for the Church) Subject: REPOST: Interview with Skilbey, April 1992 PART ONE ----- Begin Included Message ----- From BSmith@vcomtelc.telecom.com.au Tue Jun 15 00:16 PDT 1993 From: "Smith, Brian" Subject: Interview with Skilbey, April 1992 PART ONE All typos 'n stuff are entirely my fault. Copied without permission from Sound & Image magazine. Any complaints ? 5...4...3...2..1...Nope. Here we go then. This interview is copied from Sound & Image magazine July/August (1992). SI: Can you remember your earliest musical influences ? SK: The first record I sent my father out to buy for me was Under The boardwalk by the Rolling Stones. The first album I bought was It's Too Easy by The Easybeats. Fantastic ! Every song a hit. Then, when I was 11 years old, my father took me to the Albert Hall in Canberra. He'd bought me a front-row ticket and the bill turned out to be MPD Ltd, Bobbie & Laurie, Normie Rowe, with The Easybeats heading the bill. Little Stevie doing his leapfrogging-over-the-band trick, throwing drumsticks into he audience, girls screaming. I thought, "I've got to get into this !" Even before this I remember riding my bike through the alleyways between houses in the Canberra suburbs and there was this guy opening up the case of an electric guitar. I'd never seen an electric guitar and there was this plush velvet case lining this white and silver precision instrument. I still feel like this when I open a guitar case. I still remember my first gig. I was off work for three days leading up to it. Just worried sick - vomiting for days. Before the gig I had 100 weeds. But after that - no worries. SI: Do you play keyboards on stage or just bass ? (Ed note: Never been to a Church concert....) Just bass. I've got a Galleon - Kruger 7 to 800 Watts and ... well a great big heavy cabinet full of speakers. In 1973 I bought a six string Fender bass. Someone said to me the other day, 'give me a look at your baritone guitar', and that's what it is. I'd often plinked around with it and recorded with it occasionally but never really treated it as a bass = through an amp, with the band. But the other day, I had lent all my other basses out and took the six-string to rehearsals and started playing it with a pick (I usually us my fingers). And I was astonished at what an amazing bass guitar it really is. Forget the plinky stuff and the tremolo arm. It's now my main 'axe'. I used it on every track Priest = Aura - getting in with the rest of the band, playing my 'art' stuff. SI: You don't find that, with a six string, there's a temptation to neglect that all - important bottom end role of the bass player ? SK: No, I try to get it all in. I try and keep the bottom-end going and bung in some chords; the whole lot. As we were doing Priest = Aura, the recording engineer kept saying, 'now let's get out the four string bass, we need a really solid bass sound on this one'. We'd get one out, and he'd always agree to go back to the six string. I've got ten year old strings on it and I daren't break one; they just don't make them any more and the neck is too long to use other strings. SI: Was bass your first instrument ? SK: No, I had some piano lessons when I was ten, but I didn't really learn very much. It was a new system with numbers under the notes showing which fingers to use. IN the end my teacher said I was doing well, but I wasn't reading the music, I was looking at these numbers - it was more like working a typewriter. When they gave me something without the numbers I couldn't do a thing - I was faking it, and was terribly embarrassed when I was expose. I never gained any sense of notes or harmony from these lessons - I got further just trying to work out little piano riffs by ear. Then, at sixteen, I decided that I wanted to learn bass. I wanted to get into a band really badly and I thought that drums would be too much of a hassle. Guitar looked too hard and every kid in the street played really well. So I thought that bass would be the quickest ticket to get in. And it is ! I got really lucky when, a year later, I got a gig with cabaret 50/50 band (half covers, half originals) called Saga and I was making a small fortune. The band got very popular. We had to wear the same suits and go through these tacky routines. I didn't get on very well with the rest of the band, but I was making nearly $200, at 17 and those days . . .You'd turn up on a winter's night in some little ACT (Ed: Translation - In or near Canberra) country town and play in a room the size of someone's lounge room, squeezed in between the couch and the first - "oh, you're not using amps are you ?!" SI: How was growing up in Canberra ? SK: I didn't know it was Canberra, I thought it was the world ! It was the world of sitting around in blokes' bedrooms, listening to records and trying to play the guitar. So I think I would have turned out the same wherever I was. SI: When did you first meet the other members of the Church ? SK: I met Peter Koppes in 1973 when we were still teenagers. We did musical things together way back then. I met Marty Willson-Piper in 1980 and Jay Dee in 1988. Jay Dee replaces Richard Ploog, who left the band because of musical personal differences (Ed. Huh ?) JD was the drummer with the Patti Smith Group. We were touring with Tom Verlaine and he told us that if we ever needed a drummer, JD was our man. So when Ploog left, we knew where to look. (Ed. But where will he look now !) SI: Did you have any material left over from GAF that needed a hearing on P=A ? SK: No, we never do that. We always write a fresh batch of material for each album. SI: Did you have a particular flavour in mind for the album before you started work ? SK: No, just as long as it was nothing like GAF. GAF was to be the opposite model of what we were after. SI: Why ? What was wrong with GAF ? SK: I didn't like it. It didn't get any passionate critical assessments. Nobody really flow and it lacked ... I don't know ...beauty. I couldn't get excited about it at the time. It really wasn't a good bunch of songs. SI: Surely you must have some affection for Metropolis ... SK: No, it just wasn't innovative enough, even by Church standards; it was treading water. I blame myself = it just wasn't my best work. If you've got a bunch of good songs, it's hard to ruin them. And if your songs aren't good, it's very hard to turn them into a good album. SI: Most Church songs are co-operations between yourself and other Church dignitaries. Does the tradition continue with Priest=Aura ? SK: That's taken for granted now. Since the Heyday album, the songs are all basically written by the band, with me writing lyrics. With the odd exception of course, like Milky Way (Ed note: Steve & Karin Jansonn wrote that one. . .not that I need to tell you !) GAF was a totally co-operative album. SI: How does this approach work in practice ? SK: It's based on the interaction of four people. It's not about someone saying, "Here's a song I've written; now you play this ..." It's writing songs together, creating instruments that aren't there by the interplay of what you're doing. That's what we're trying to do. SI: What did you get up to immediately after GAF ? SK: The Church tour finished in mid 1990 and I came back the Australia and made Jack Frost with Grant McLennan, and then I went on a solo tour of the US - just me and an acoustic guitar ! (Ed. Anyone see/hear about this ?) SI: How was that ? SK: Oh it was a lot of fun ! I didn't pull a lot of people. I did New York, Washington, Baltimore, Boston and across to the West Coast: LA, San Francisco and famous Nine-Thirty Club in Washington and the small club out the back of McCabes' Guitar Shop in LA where they hold acoustic shows. I did two nights there - a really good place to play. After the tour we went back and toured with Jack Frost. SI: How did you enjoy working with Grant McLennan ? SK: It was great. He comes from a whole different way of writing songs. He strums on an acoustic guitar and gradually puts together a complete song, whereas I tend to write in a studio, jamming, putting words on them and modifying them as I go along. Grant's more of a purist. So that was very interesting. He had never written my way and I hadn't written like him since I first started writing and thought that that was the only way to do it. we found something in the middle where I'd be saying "Let's write now" and he'd be busy doing backing tracks. A good exchange of methods. SI: Is it a lonely existence for a solo performer ? SK: It's just me and the roadie/sound/light man. But you meet a lot of people. I have a lot of friends over there. I've been touring America for so long that there's a bunch of people I can hang out with in every town. It's very nice. SI: Are you a gregarious person ? SK: I'm not really gregarious, but I'm not downright anti-social. I enjoy the company of interesting people. SI: What sort of commercial impact is The Church having in the US ? SK: Starfish has almost gone 'Gold' in the US and GAF almost hasn't ! It's clocked up about 350 000 sales. P=A was released in America slightly before the Australian release, but I haven't yet heard how it's going. SI: How do members of The Church get on together after 12 years ? SK:Twelve years ago we were egotistical young twerps. We've grown up a lot and mutated from being a pop group to being a group of four musicians who like to play together (Ed. *Sniff* Ah, memories...) - that's why we still get together. There's not all that pop ideology anymore. SI: Do you still enjoy performing ? SK: Yeah, I like to be on stage, but not a lot of the things that go with it. Acoustics are a problem. You have to handle this random element every night. Like if your sound man have an argument with his wife two minutes before you went on ! I've never found a way to get artistic control over gigs. You rely on that guy out front and you just don't know what he's doing. At a sound check you can walk out with a cordless guitar, but you can't hear yourself singing. I've never done a tour where there was even a 70 % consensus that the sound man was any good. People would often come backstage in Australia and tell us, "you sounded awful". We had an American guy for a while who was a real artist. With him mixing for us, Bob Clearmountain came backstage and told us we sounded wonderful. We tried to keep him, but he went off with Laurie Anderson. SI: Do you ever have to play stadiums ? SK: God no ! We do smallish theatres and large pubs like Selina's (Ed: In Sydney) with audiences around the one or two thousand mark, with the up to three thousand at some of the Boston and New York venues. (Ed: Would this include the place where the 'Reptile' video was made ?) SI: Where was P=A recorded ? SK: It was all done at Emi's Studio 301. Partly digital; partly analogue. SI: How was the band involved in the actual production ? SK: It reads: 'Produced by The Church and Gavin McKillop'. In the past it's been "Bob Clearmountain and The Church", or "Waddy Wachtel and The Church". This time we're the major producers. Some of Gavin's recent credits included the last Straightjacket Fits album (Ed: A New Zealand band who supported The Church on the "Jokes-Magic-Souvenirs" Tour, which was confined to Australian soil. Hah ! :) back to the list...), Shriekback, General Public, Howard DeVoto and Hunters & Collectors - Human Frailty album. He's from Scotland, and when he was suggested to us by Arista, I really jumped at the chance. SI: A bit of a change from Waddy Wachtel ? SK: Definitely. But I have a tendency to try different juxtapositions of types of people. Any good group has potential in directions that they've never exploited. So I said, 'Let's see what the California-type-dudes can do to exploit a California-type side of the Church.' But the new albums definitely a Sydney album - The Church comes home ! SI: What have you been doing in the solo field recently ? SK: Well, I released a solo album last year (Ed: Actually, a 5 track.) that didn't do very well, called Narcosis. I recorded it at my own studio. SI: Your home studio in Rozelle ? SK: No, my new 'proper' studio in Surrey Hills. It's got a full 24 track recorder with an automated desk and a performance space behind glass windows and all that. I run MIDI sequencing through an Atari (Ed: Aarggh !!) computer using Cubase. SI: Do you find that music technology starts to get in the way of the creative impulse ? SK: It certainly can. I've got a partner and engineer named Pryce Surplice. He usually engineers what I do. I try to stay 'hands - off' these days, and leave Pryce to handle the technology. I understand what's happening and I can ask him to give me, 'that sample, played backwards and slowed down by three clock beats.' Otherwise you can get bogged down. SI: Have you recorded anyone else in your studio ? SK: Yes, I have been recording Margot Smith, a girl from Melbourne who's just been signed by Chrysalis and a girl from Canada named Mae Moore who's signed to Sony and there's a good chance that we'll get to do the whole album. (Ed: Anyone seen either of these two ?) SI: These aren't your first forays into producing other acts ? SK: Not at all. I've produced Hex - myself and a girl singer (Ed: Donette Thayer) which I did in the States. I produced Curious Yellow and Jack Frost and I would like to go on producing. It's the honorable way out when you're too old for anything else. SI: Which of your roles do you see as most important - writer, lyricist, producer, performer ? SK: I think what I am most pleased to be, is a jack-of-all trades. If someone else just needs some music, or lyrics, or just some bass, I think I can perform any task put in front of me. SI: But wouldn't you say that a big part of your role is the communication of ideas ? SK: No, not at all ! This might sound simplistic, but I just set out to create music that people enjoy. SI: What, pure entertainment ? SK: Not entertainment, enjoyment. There's a subtle difference. I'd like someone to come up to me and say, "I've just heard your latest record, and fuck, I really enjoyed it !" Then I know I've done my job. I don't have to go into it more deeply, though people can if they want to. People say that my music is sad and wistful, and yet I want people to enjoy it. But you can really enjoy a sad movie or a horror film. But if I stumbled across a good back-beat boogie, I might record it. PART ONE ENDS HERE. There's still a few more pages to type up, but this should keep us going for a while ! ----- End Included Message ----- From Mailer-Daemon@Sun.COM Tue Aug 16 09:09 PDT 1994 From: Mailer-Daemon@Sun.COM (Mail Delivery Subsystem) Subject: Returned mail: User unknown ----- Transcript of session follows ----- Connected to GOETHITE.GEO.CORNELL.EDU: >>> DATA <<< 452 Out of disk space for temp file: No space left on device Connected to leland.Stanford.EDU: >>> RCPT To: <<< 550 ... User unknown 550 ... User unknown ----- Unsent message follows ----- From: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM (Mailing list for the Church) Subject: REPOST: Part Two of SKilbey interview ----- Begin Included Message ----- From BSmith@vcomtelc.telecom.com.au Sun Jun 20 23:29 PDT 1993 From: "Smith, Brian" Subject: Part Two of SKilbey interview Typed out from Sound & Image magazine, who I'm not a part of PART TWO STARTS: why is this ? SK: That's very true. We're a real 'white' European band. Peter keeps telling me that I've got no blues, black or rhythm in my soul and it's true. I guess everyone approaches their own music differently in their heads. I guess it was a cerebral thing that first got me involved. SI: What are you listening to at the moment ? SK: I try to listen as much as I can, usually in spates. David Bowie's just had a lot of his stuff re-released on CD and I've had Low and Heroes on high-roration on the Cd for a while. Fantastic stuff. SI: What about new stuff ? SK: I thought the My Bloody Valentine album was great. I get a lot of the new English stuff, often just out of curiosity. I like some of the stuff Primal Scream are doing. If I really want to get stoned and turn it up really loud, I go into the studio. I've got the leather lounge and the Yamaha NS-10 monitors, and I really crank it up. At home, I've got twin nine-month old girls and they seem to enjoy a bit of volume, but some stuff they really don't like. SI: So how's the life of a family man ? SK: It was hard around the time they were born. I was doing Priest = Aura and staggering home at two or three. The kids would cry all night and I'd have to stagger back to the studio. Lokking after two kids can be a full-time job for both of us. I guess the nippers will cut down some of my travelling a bit, but I think that the recession will have more effect in this respect. We used to do promo tours through Europe for BMG, but that's not happening so much in the recession. The company probably looks after us better than our European success warrants. We've never been really successful there, not in record sales anyway. SI: Where are your favourite places to hang out in Europe ? SK: Spain, Amsterdam...I don't know if Australians realise that hash is more or less legal in Spain these days. It's great playing to a stoned audience. And if they think it sounds good then it does ! Some people enjoy music when they're drunk...but I don't. there a typical Church fan ? SK: No, and no. SI: Do you have lots of friends outside the music business ? SK: Most musicians I know don't differentiate between musicians and civilians. That's an old 'pop star' mode and some of the old school have a lot of fun being the centre of attention. Some it leads, quite literally, to suicide. SI: Would you call yourself a happy person ? SK: No, not really. I get pretty depressed. I don't think that whether I'm happy or sad has much bearing on the music I'm making. I specialise in making this sad-ish kind of music. There's enough happy midnless drivel going on and I feel that there's a need for these feelings to be expressed. Musically speaking, I'm quite happy being sad. SI: What is the significance of the album title, Priest = Aura ? SK: To me, finding an album title is like looking at a dog and saying "I'll call him Sandy because he looks like a Sandy." To me, P=A is just the right name for this album. It's hard to say why. It's a phrase that came about accidentally from a misunderstanding. The album title came up before the song of the same name. Everyone knew the album was going to be called Priest = Aura, and this shaped the songs and the sound. It's usually the other way round. SI: People tend to read mysticism into your lyrics. Does this indicate an ongoing process of inquiry going on inside you ? SK: Do you think that "Priest = Aura" sounds mystical ? I seem to have some sort of repuration for that but I can't see it. Which songs ? SI: Well, "The Disillusionist" for example. SK: That song came out of a real-life incident. We'd just done a really badly attended concert (Ed. Some towns have no taste...) at this place in America and the guy came up to me waving a magazine interview I'd done a month or two disillusioning people. Well you sure disillusioned me !" I came up with this great idea of a man going from twon to town, disillusioning people. I'm interested in philosophy, but I'm lazy and I don't actively pursue my own inquiries. I wish I could say that I was, but I'm not. I know that questions like "what is existence" and "why am I here ?" are far more important than plyaing the guitar or making a record. And I know that people would be very wise to spend time thinking about why they're here and what they can do about it. but I sort of lapse into playing music, listening to music, hanging out with friends, going out to restaurants and enjoying myself - and now bringing up twins. SI: Do you think having responsibility for the twins will change your ideas ? SK: Nothing will change my musical ideas. I'd be happy to see them become creative artists, but the music industry is a kind of pyramid with only a few successes at the top. There's too much emphasis on success - charts, sales figures, gold records etc. It's now a sort of competition. It seemed to start with Michael Jackson. Up till then, nobody cared how many records the Beatles sold; it was the quality of their music. But after Jackson, it was "Thirty Million" and that number was hammered home. Now quality has become quantity and it's too easy to feel a failure. It's like supermarkets squeezing out out corner stores. SI: You paint rather a gloomy picture of the industry. SK: As long as the youth keep throwing up a counter culture against the establishment, even though they will be absorbed into it next year, there will always be this continual revolt against the musical establishment. SI: Any more Steve Kilbey books in the pipeline ? SK: I'm working on a couple of things. I don't write notes as I go along, I just sit down and write the book. I've half a book on computer (Ed. What's he got ?!) at home (Ed.Probably on the Atari.....) but I'm not sure where it's going. I haven't got the energy or enthusiasm to finish it. I've just started another one which I think could be really good, but I'm too lazy to sit down and work on it. I really like reading Martin Amis; and books about rock 'n roll - Pete Townshend's autobiography. SI: Do you have a very sophisticated home entertainment set up ? (Ed Sound and Image is a hi-fi magazine, after all !) SK: God, no ! I've got a Yamaha amplifier, about 70 watts per channel I think, some large Bose STudiocraft speakers and a portable Sony CD player. That's a funny thing about me; I'm not that interested in sound quality - it's the stuff, the content that interests me. SI: Do you get involved in video production ? SK: No. I think it's a shame that music had to become so involved in video. Although it gives employment to a lot of creative people, it seems to water down the music element. I think it will eventually die out. (Ed. Bzzz ! Nominations for ' Most Contentious Comment of the Interview' are now closed. That one wins it !) SI: Any interesting future projects on the boil ? SK: I'm working on this project in which nobody will know it's me. SI: What' s it called ? SK: Hah ! ----- End Included Message ----- From mosk Tue Aug 16 09:15 PDT 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: I apologize..... ....for the last 2 mailer-daemons that got sent out to the list... It happened because I forwarded the articles directly from the alias and not via my account....duh... Sorry for filling up your mailboxes... I'll reboot my coffee-cup... -morten From anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Tue Aug 16 12:41 PDT 1994 Reply-To: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Organization: Xymox UUCP System, Melbourne Australia From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Kilbey-produced Stephen Cummings album is out Just a quick note of info... The album "Falling Swinger" by Stephen Cummings (former singer with Melbourne band The Sports) is out next Monday, and yup, it was produced by Steve Kilbey. The Kilbster also wrote one song ("September 13", named after the two Steves' shared birthdays) and the album boasts the following Kilbey-related credits... Recorded at Karmic Hit Studios, Sydney, March 1994. Engineered by Simon Polinski, mixed by Steve Kilbey and Simon Polinski. Steve Kilbey plays guitar on tracks 1, 3 and 9, bass on 1, 3 and 4, sings on 1, 2 and 9, autoharp on 5 and 6, and "produced assorted ambient sounds on different songs". Russell Kilbey is co-credited with "loops and noises" along with Boris Goudenov, who not only worked on the Church album but also played that fantastic trumpet bit in Margot's "Lifetime". Russell also sings on track 4. Grant Mclennan also plays guitar and sings on track 4. The style of music? Hmmm. I'm listening to it for the first time now; "September 13" which is the single reminds many musically of "Under The Milky Way"; basically though this is traditional Cummings - a slightly soul/gospel tinged pop album for late night listening. :) The disc is Polydor Australia 523355 2; media persons get a double CD pack with an interview CD in which Cummings discusses working with Kilbey. Hope you're all well... the Kilbey transcript will be along soon. I'm quite busy, to say the least. Just heard four more demos from Margot for her next album; it's shaping up to be better than the first one. Kilbey stated in the interview i did with him that he will be writing with Margot again for this album. He also praised her continuously for two solid minutes. :-) - Anthony -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au those herbal-tea moments." - Caroline Sullivan of The Guardian reviewing the new "Victoria Amos" album. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From MAILER-DAEMON@gold.tc.umn.edu Tue Aug 16 13:38 PDT 1994 From: MAILER-DAEMON@gold.tc.umn.edu Cc: Postmaster@gold.tc.umn.edu Subject: Undeliverable mail Your message was not delivered to the following recipients: mori0019: User unknown ---------------- Your original message ---------------- From: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM (Mailing list for the Church) Subject: REPOST: Part Two of SKilbey interview ----- Begin Included Message ----- From BSmith@vcomtelc.telecom.com.au Sun Jun 20 23:29 PDT 1993 From: "Smith, Brian" Subject: Part Two of SKilbey interview Typed out from Sound & Image magazine, who I'm not a part of PART TWO STARTS: why is this ? SK: That's very true. We're a real 'white' European band. Peter keeps telling me that I've got no blues, black or rhythm in my soul and it's true. I guess everyone approaches their own music differently in their heads. I guess it was a cerebral thing that first got me involved. SI: What are you listening to at the moment ? SK: I try to listen as much as I can, usually in spates. David Bowie's just had a lot of his stuff re-released on CD and I've had Low and Heroes on high-roration on the Cd for a while. Fantastic stuff. SI: What about new stuff ? SK: I thought the My Bloody Valentine album was great. I get a lot of the new English stuff, often just out of curiosity. I like some of the stuff Primal Scream are doing. If I really want to get stoned and turn it up really loud, I go into the studio. I've got the leather lounge and the Yamaha NS-10 monitors, and I really crank it up. At home, I've got twin nine-month old girls and they seem to enjoy a bit of volume, but some stuff they really don't like. SI: So how's the life of a family man ? SK: It was hard around the time they were born. I was doing Priest = Aura and staggering home at two or three. The kids would cry all night and I'd have to stagger back to the studio. Lokking after two kids can be a full-time job for both of us. I guess the nippers will cut down some of my travelling a bit, but I think that the recession will have more effect in this respect. We used to do promo tours through Europe for BMG, but that's not happening so much in the recession. The company probably looks after us better than our European success warrants. We've never been really successful there, not in record sales anyway. SI: Where are your favourite places to hang out in Europe ? SK: Spain, Amsterdam...I don't know if Australians realise that hash is more or less legal in Spain these days. It's great playing to a stoned audience. And if they think it sounds good then it does ! Some people enjoy music when they're drunk...but I don't. there a typical Church fan ? SK: No, and no. SI: Do you have lots of friends outside the music business ? SK: Most musicians I know don't differentiate between musicians and civilians. That's an old 'pop star' mode and some of the old school have a lot of fun being the centre of attention. Some it leads, quite literally, to suicide. SI: Would you call yourself a happy person ? SK: No, not really. I get pretty depressed. I don't think that whether I'm happy or sad has much bearing on the music I'm making. I specialise in making this sad-ish kind of music. There's enough happy midnless drivel going on and I feel that there's a need for these feelings to be expressed. Musically speaking, I'm quite happy being sad. SI: What is the significance of the album title, Priest = Aura ? SK: To me, finding an album title is like looking at a dog and saying "I'll call him Sandy because he looks like a Sandy." To me, P=A is just the right name for this album. It's hard to say why. It's a phrase that came about accidentally from a misunderstanding. The album title came up before the song of the same name. Everyone knew the album was going to be called Priest = Aura, and this shaped the songs and the sound. It's usually the other way round. SI: People tend to read mysticism into your lyrics. Does this indicate an ongoing process of inquiry going on inside you ? SK: Do you think that "Priest = Aura" sounds mystical ? I seem to have some sort of repuration for that but I can't see it. Which songs ? SI: Well, "The Disillusionist" for example. SK: That song came out of a real-life incident. We'd just done a really badly attended concert (Ed. Some towns have no taste...) at this place in America and the guy came up to me waving a magazine interview I'd done a month or two disillusioning people. Well you sure disillusioned me !" I came up with this great idea of a man going from twon to town, disillusioning people. I'm interested in philosophy, but I'm lazy and I don't actively pursue my own inquiries. I wish I could say that I was, but I'm not. I know that questions like "what is existence" and "why am I here ?" are far more important than plyaing the guitar or making a record. And I know that people would be very wise to spend time thinking about why they're here and what they can do about it. but I sort of lapse into playing music, listening to music, hanging out with friends, going out to restaurants and enjoying myself - and now bringing up twins. SI: Do you think having responsibility for the twins will change your ideas ? SK: Nothing will change my musical ideas. I'd be happy to see them become creative artists, but the music industry is a kind of pyramid with only a few successes at the top. There's too much emphasis on success - charts, sales figures, gold records etc. It's now a sort of competition. It seemed to start with Michael Jackson. Up till then, nobody cared how many records the Beatles sold; it was the quality of their music. But after Jackson, it was "Thirty Million" and that number was hammered home. Now quality has become quantity and it's too easy to feel a failure. It's like supermarkets squeezing out out corner stores. SI: You paint rather a gloomy picture of the industry. SK: As long as the youth keep throwing up a counter culture against the establishment, even though they will be absorbed into it next year, there will always be this continual revolt against the musical establishment. SI: Any more Steve Kilbey books in the pipeline ? SK: I'm working on a couple of things. I don't write notes as I go along, I just sit down and write the book. I've half a book on computer (Ed. What's he got ?!) at home (Ed.Probably on the Atari.....) but I'm not sure where it's going. I haven't got the energy or enthusiasm to finish it. I've just started another one which I think could be really good, but I'm too lazy to sit down and work on it. I really like reading Martin Amis; and books about rock 'n roll - Pete Townshend's autobiography. SI: Do you have a very sophisticated home entertainment set up ? (Ed Sound and Image is a hi-fi magazine, after all !) SK: God, no ! I've got a Yamaha amplifier, about 70 watts per channel I think, some large Bose STudiocraft speakers and a portable Sony CD player. That's a funny thing about me; I'm not that interested in sound quality - it's the stuff, the content that interests me. SI: Do you get involved in video production ? SK: No. I think it's a shame that music had to become so involved in video. Although it gives employment to a lot of creative people, it seems to water down the music element. I think it will eventually die out. (Ed. Bzzz ! Nominations for ' Most Contentious Comment of the Interview' are now closed. That one wins it !) SI: Any interesting future projects on the boil ? SK: I'm working on this project in which nobody will know it's me. SI: What' s it called ? SK: Hah ! ----- End Included Message ----- From MAILER-DAEMON@gold.tc.umn.edu Tue Aug 16 13:39 PDT 1994 From: MAILER-DAEMON@gold.tc.umn.edu Cc: Postmaster@gold.tc.umn.edu Subject: Undeliverable mail Your message was not delivered to the following recipients: mori0019: User unknown ---------------- Your original message ---------------- From: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM (Mailing list for the Church) Subject: REPOST: Interview with Skilbey, April 1992 PART ONE ----- Begin Included Message ----- From BSmith@vcomtelc.telecom.com.au Tue Jun 15 00:16 PDT 1993 From: "Smith, Brian" Subject: Interview with Skilbey, April 1992 PART ONE All typos 'n stuff are entirely my fault. Copied without permission from Sound & Image magazine. Any complaints ? 5...4...3...2..1...Nope. Here we go then. This interview is copied from Sound & Image magazine July/August (1992). SI: Can you remember your earliest musical influences ? SK: The first record I sent my father out to buy for me was Under The boardwalk by the Rolling Stones. The first album I bought was It's Too Easy by The Easybeats. Fantastic ! Every song a hit. Then, when I was 11 years old, my father took me to the Albert Hall in Canberra. He'd bought me a front-row ticket and the bill turned out to be MPD Ltd, Bobbie & Laurie, Normie Rowe, with The Easybeats heading the bill. Little Stevie doing his leapfrogging-over-the-band trick, throwing drumsticks into he audience, girls screaming. I thought, "I've got to get into this !" Even before this I remember riding my bike through the alleyways between houses in the Canberra suburbs and there was this guy opening up the case of an electric guitar. I'd never seen an electric guitar and there was this plush velvet case lining this white and silver precision instrument. I still feel like this when I open a guitar case. I still remember my first gig. I was off work for three days leading up to it. Just worried sick - vomiting for days. Before the gig I had 100 weeds. But after that - no worries. SI: Do you play keyboards on stage or just bass ? (Ed note: Never been to a Church concert....) Just bass. I've got a Galleon - Kruger 7 to 800 Watts and ... well a great big heavy cabinet full of speakers. In 1973 I bought a six string Fender bass. Someone said to me the other day, 'give me a look at your baritone guitar', and that's what it is. I'd often plinked around with it and recorded with it occasionally but never really treated it as a bass = through an amp, with the band. But the other day, I had lent all my other basses out and took the six-string to rehearsals and started playing it with a pick (I usually us my fingers). And I was astonished at what an amazing bass guitar it really is. Forget the plinky stuff and the tremolo arm. It's now my main 'axe'. I used it on every track Priest = Aura - getting in with the rest of the band, playing my 'art' stuff. SI: You don't find that, with a six string, there's a temptation to neglect that all - important bottom end role of the bass player ? SK: No, I try to get it all in. I try and keep the bottom-end going and bung in some chords; the whole lot. As we were doing Priest = Aura, the recording engineer kept saying, 'now let's get out the four string bass, we need a really solid bass sound on this one'. We'd get one out, and he'd always agree to go back to the six string. I've got ten year old strings on it and I daren't break one; they just don't make them any more and the neck is too long to use other strings. SI: Was bass your first instrument ? SK: No, I had some piano lessons when I was ten, but I didn't really learn very much. It was a new system with numbers under the notes showing which fingers to use. IN the end my teacher said I was doing well, but I wasn't reading the music, I was looking at these numbers - it was more like working a typewriter. When they gave me something without the numbers I couldn't do a thing - I was faking it, and was terribly embarrassed when I was expose. I never gained any sense of notes or harmony from these lessons - I got further just trying to work out little piano riffs by ear. Then, at sixteen, I decided that I wanted to learn bass. I wanted to get into a band really badly and I thought that drums would be too much of a hassle. Guitar looked too hard and every kid in the street played really well. So I thought that bass would be the quickest ticket to get in. And it is ! I got really lucky when, a year later, I got a gig with cabaret 50/50 band (half covers, half originals) called Saga and I was making a small fortune. The band got very popular. We had to wear the same suits and go through these tacky routines. I didn't get on very well with the rest of the band, but I was making nearly $200, at 17 and those days . . .You'd turn up on a winter's night in some little ACT (Ed: Translation - In or near Canberra) country town and play in a room the size of someone's lounge room, squeezed in between the couch and the first - "oh, you're not using amps are you ?!" SI: How was growing up in Canberra ? SK: I didn't know it was Canberra, I thought it was the world ! It was the world of sitting around in blokes' bedrooms, listening to records and trying to play the guitar. So I think I would have turned out the same wherever I was. SI: When did you first meet the other members of the Church ? SK: I met Peter Koppes in 1973 when we were still teenagers. We did musical things together way back then. I met Marty Willson-Piper in 1980 and Jay Dee in 1988. Jay Dee replaces Richard Ploog, who left the band because of musical personal differences (Ed. Huh ?) JD was the drummer with the Patti Smith Group. We were touring with Tom Verlaine and he told us that if we ever needed a drummer, JD was our man. So when Ploog left, we knew where to look. (Ed. But where will he look now !) SI: Did you have any material left over from GAF that needed a hearing on P=A ? SK: No, we never do that. We always write a fresh batch of material for each album. SI: Did you have a particular flavour in mind for the album before you started work ? SK: No, just as long as it was nothing like GAF. GAF was to be the opposite model of what we were after. SI: Why ? What was wrong with GAF ? SK: I didn't like it. It didn't get any passionate critical assessments. Nobody really flow and it lacked ... I don't know ...beauty. I couldn't get excited about it at the time. It really wasn't a good bunch of songs. SI: Surely you must have some affection for Metropolis ... SK: No, it just wasn't innovative enough, even by Church standards; it was treading water. I blame myself = it just wasn't my best work. If you've got a bunch of good songs, it's hard to ruin them. And if your songs aren't good, it's very hard to turn them into a good album. SI: Most Church songs are co-operations between yourself and other Church dignitaries. Does the tradition continue with Priest=Aura ? SK: That's taken for granted now. Since the Heyday album, the songs are all basically written by the band, with me writing lyrics. With the odd exception of course, like Milky Way (Ed note: Steve & Karin Jansonn wrote that one. . .not that I need to tell you !) GAF was a totally co-operative album. SI: How does this approach work in practice ? SK: It's based on the interaction of four people. It's not about someone saying, "Here's a song I've written; now you play this ..." It's writing songs together, creating instruments that aren't there by the interplay of what you're doing. That's what we're trying to do. SI: What did you get up to immediately after GAF ? SK: The Church tour finished in mid 1990 and I came back the Australia and made Jack Frost with Grant McLennan, and then I went on a solo tour of the US - just me and an acoustic guitar ! (Ed. Anyone see/hear about this ?) SI: How was that ? SK: Oh it was a lot of fun ! I didn't pull a lot of people. I did New York, Washington, Baltimore, Boston and across to the West Coast: LA, San Francisco and famous Nine-Thirty Club in Washington and the small club out the back of McCabes' Guitar Shop in LA where they hold acoustic shows. I did two nights there - a really good place to play. After the tour we went back and toured with Jack Frost. SI: How did you enjoy working with Grant McLennan ? SK: It was great. He comes from a whole different way of writing songs. He strums on an acoustic guitar and gradually puts together a complete song, whereas I tend to write in a studio, jamming, putting words on them and modifying them as I go along. Grant's more of a purist. So that was very interesting. He had never written my way and I hadn't written like him since I first started writing and thought that that was the only way to do it. we found something in the middle where I'd be saying "Let's write now" and he'd be busy doing backing tracks. A good exchange of methods. SI: Is it a lonely existence for a solo performer ? SK: It's just me and the roadie/sound/light man. But you meet a lot of people. I have a lot of friends over there. I've been touring America for so long that there's a bunch of people I can hang out with in every town. It's very nice. SI: Are you a gregarious person ? SK: I'm not really gregarious, but I'm not downright anti-social. I enjoy the company of interesting people. SI: What sort of commercial impact is The Church having in the US ? SK: Starfish has almost gone 'Gold' in the US and GAF almost hasn't ! It's clocked up about 350 000 sales. P=A was released in America slightly before the Australian release, but I haven't yet heard how it's going. SI: How do members of The Church get on together after 12 years ? SK:Twelve years ago we were egotistical young twerps. We've grown up a lot and mutated from being a pop group to being a group of four musicians who like to play together (Ed. *Sniff* Ah, memories...) - that's why we still get together. There's not all that pop ideology anymore. SI: Do you still enjoy performing ? SK: Yeah, I like to be on stage, but not a lot of the things that go with it. Acoustics are a problem. You have to handle this random element every night. Like if your sound man have an argument with his wife two minutes before you went on ! I've never found a way to get artistic control over gigs. You rely on that guy out front and you just don't know what he's doing. At a sound check you can walk out with a cordless guitar, but you can't hear yourself singing. I've never done a tour where there was even a 70 % consensus that the sound man was any good. People would often come backstage in Australia and tell us, "you sounded awful". We had an American guy for a while who was a real artist. With him mixing for us, Bob Clearmountain came backstage and told us we sounded wonderful. We tried to keep him, but he went off with Laurie Anderson. SI: Do you ever have to play stadiums ? SK: God no ! We do smallish theatres and large pubs like Selina's (Ed: In Sydney) with audiences around the one or two thousand mark, with the up to three thousand at some of the Boston and New York venues. (Ed: Would this include the place where the 'Reptile' video was made ?) SI: Where was P=A recorded ? SK: It was all done at Emi's Studio 301. Partly digital; partly analogue. SI: How was the band involved in the actual production ? SK: It reads: 'Produced by The Church and Gavin McKillop'. In the past it's been "Bob Clearmountain and The Church", or "Waddy Wachtel and The Church". This time we're the major producers. Some of Gavin's recent credits included the last Straightjacket Fits album (Ed: A New Zealand band who supported The Church on the "Jokes-Magic-Souvenirs" Tour, which was confined to Australian soil. Hah ! :) back to the list...), Shriekback, General Public, Howard DeVoto and Hunters & Collectors - Human Frailty album. He's from Scotland, and when he was suggested to us by Arista, I really jumped at the chance. SI: A bit of a change from Waddy Wachtel ? SK: Definitely. But I have a tendency to try different juxtapositions of types of people. Any good group has potential in directions that they've never exploited. So I said, 'Let's see what the California-type-dudes can do to exploit a California-type side of the Church.' But the new albums definitely a Sydney album - The Church comes home ! SI: What have you been doing in the solo field recently ? SK: Well, I released a solo album last year (Ed: Actually, a 5 track.) that didn't do very well, called Narcosis. I recorded it at my own studio. SI: Your home studio in Rozelle ? SK: No, my new 'proper' studio in Surrey Hills. It's got a full 24 track recorder with an automated desk and a performance space behind glass windows and all that. I run MIDI sequencing through an Atari (Ed: Aarggh !!) computer using Cubase. SI: Do you find that music technology starts to get in the way of the creative impulse ? SK: It certainly can. I've got a partner and engineer named Pryce Surplice. He usually engineers what I do. I try to stay 'hands - off' these days, and leave Pryce to handle the technology. I understand what's happening and I can ask him to give me, 'that sample, played backwards and slowed down by three clock beats.' Otherwise you can get bogged down. SI: Have you recorded anyone else in your studio ? SK: Yes, I have been recording Margot Smith, a girl from Melbourne who's just been signed by Chrysalis and a girl from Canada named Mae Moore who's signed to Sony and there's a good chance that we'll get to do the whole album. (Ed: Anyone seen either of these two ?) SI: These aren't your first forays into producing other acts ? SK: Not at all. I've produced Hex - myself and a girl singer (Ed: Donette Thayer) which I did in the States. I produced Curious Yellow and Jack Frost and I would like to go on producing. It's the honorable way out when you're too old for anything else. SI: Which of your roles do you see as most important - writer, lyricist, producer, performer ? SK: I think what I am most pleased to be, is a jack-of-all trades. If someone else just needs some music, or lyrics, or just some bass, I think I can perform any task put in front of me. SI: But wouldn't you say that a big part of your role is the communication of ideas ? SK: No, not at all ! This might sound simplistic, but I just set out to create music that people enjoy. SI: What, pure entertainment ? SK: Not entertainment, enjoyment. There's a subtle difference. I'd like someone to come up to me and say, "I've just heard your latest record, and fuck, I really enjoyed it !" Then I know I've done my job. I don't have to go into it more deeply, though people can if they want to. People say that my music is sad and wistful, and yet I want people to enjoy it. But you can really enjoy a sad movie or a horror film. But if I stumbled across a good back-beat boogie, I might record it. PART ONE ENDS HERE. There's still a few more pages to type up, but this should keep us going for a while ! ----- End Included Message ----- From john.brownosullivan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Tue Aug 16 15:34 PDT 1994 X-Sender: ou005076@brandywine.otago.ac.nz From: john.brownosullivan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (John Brown-O'Sullivan) Subject: Morten's helping hand Just to show how ungrateful I am... I received 3 copies of each part of the interview Morten sent - i.e. 80 K of stuff. A definite nuisance when you have an Eudora mailer that physically saves it on disk, then, if you want to delete it, goes and resaves it before finally removing it... Never mind, said I, the new (and large) article will surely be worth it... Wait! No! I already have this article! Let's have a look at the evidence: > From john.brownosullivan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Mon Aug 15 15:51:25 1994 > > > In part two of the Sound & Image magazine July/August (1992) interview, > > Steve said that the Disillusionist was based on an encounter with 'a guy > > [who] came up to me waving a magazine interview I'd done a month or two > > disillusioning people. Well you sure disillusioned me !" I came up with > > this great idea of a man going from twon to town, disillusioning people.' > > > > Does anyone have that interview? > > Yeah, I typed that up and sent it out several months back....anyone keep it? > Brian Smith said >I still have a copy of every post that has been made to the alias. :-) >(Must be the historian in me :) I will repost it, due to lack of traffic >the last oh 13 hrs and 47 minutes or so... >-morten I wasn't talking about the S&I interview, but the 'magazine interview' quoted in the S&I interview. Deeply disenchanted John From pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Tue Aug 16 17:21 PDT 1994 From: pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Subject: fly Does anyone out there know the chords/tab to "Fly"? -paul From mrg@mame.mu.OZ.AU Tue Aug 16 17:41 PDT 1994 Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Subject: Re: fly <199408170022.RAA25252@si.UCSC.EDU> From: matthew green >Does anyone out there know the chords/tab to "Fly"? um, last i tried, it was e minorish. those are *really* weird chords. hmm, hearing it in my head, i'd guess something like this (i don't hae perfect pitch, but i can guess lots of stuff first time off ..) Em G .. for the verse.. C Am .. for the chorus.. the chorus could be horribly wrong - i'm guessing, but i think the verse is mostly right. of course, these are not the full chords being played. there are lots of bits i haven't worked out. anyone have more ideas? From gsa@panix.com Tue Aug 16 18:08 PDT 1994 From: Gary Assa Subject: none Did anyone notic the New Jesus and Mary Chain song is called, "Somewhere, Anywhere?" What is the damn 1-800 phone number so that I may call to get any concert updates, and make Arista pay for it? --------------------------------------------------- 1. Earth is 98% full. Please delete anyone you can. 2. I came, I saw, I deleted all your files. 3. The world will end in 5 minutes. Please log out. From john.brownosullivan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Wed Aug 17 03:34 PDT 1994 X-Sender: ou005076@brandywine.otago.ac.nz From: john.brownosullivan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (John Brown-O'Sullivan) Subject: Re: none - and thanx to Paul says Gary: >Did anyone notic the New Jesus and Mary Chain song is called, "Somewhere, >Anywhere?" Yeah, I heard that from the J&MC newsgroup, which I was (briefly) on. God that was bad - terminally boring and dead, just like the J&MC are now. Don't get me wrong - I love 'Barbed Wire Kisses' and some of 'Honey's Dead', but all their other stuff, esp. recently, is shit. As I once commented, the J&MC bear more than a passing resemblence to the Church - ie, both started off as four-piece groups, then reduced to a core of two. The difference is, the Church are getting better, and at the same time more ignored, while the J&MC get worse, and people 'revere' them even more. Life is crazy, to quote Iggy Pop. ps many thanks to Paul for the lyrics to Hindsight. I got in having lost at pool for two hours straight while watching a very sad eco-video and then seeing the All Blacks losing to those Australian woofters - this was the perfect antidote. John From matthewk@postoffice.utas.edu.au Wed Aug 17 04:48 PDT 1994 From: "'Matthew Kirkcaldie'" Subject: Re: none Cc: "Kilbey's Kove" On Tue, 16 Aug 1994, Gary Assa wrote: > Did anyone notic the New Jesus and Mary Chain song is called, "Somewhere, > Anywhere?" No, I didn't, because it's called "Sometimes Always". It's excellent, by the way, with Hope Sandoval of Mazzy Star adding vocals. Matthew. From mosk Wed Aug 17 12:00 PDT 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: none > From gsa@panix.com Tue Aug 16 18:08:27 1994 > Date: Tue, 16 Aug 1994 21:09:28 -0400 (EDT) > From: Gary Assa > Subject: none > To: "Kilbey's Kove" > Mime-Version: 1.0 > > What is the damn 1-800 phone number so that I may call to get any concert > updates, and make Arista pay for it? > The number is: 1-800-659-2849 (US residents only). I just called it, and there's no new info on it. As a matter of fact, the same old message announcing the "new" album is still there. Now, initially, this 800 number was a great idea, as it seemed like Arista wanted to let the fans know about new things. But at this point it just seems like another "ho-hum" thing. Bill, I'm curious, are there any intentions of updating the 800 message with new info? And also, being asked to leave your name and address led me to believe there would be mailings sent out? Is that going to happen? Or am I the only one who hasn't received anything? Just curious (but not yellow this time).... -morten From ALCHYMIA@aol.com Wed Aug 17 14:00 PDT 1994 From: ALCHYMIA@aol.com Sender: "ALCHYMIA" Subject: The Church Bio info? Anyone out there know birthdates of The Church band members? Also, I know Marty has one child and married to Anne Carlburger. Peter has children (two?). Is he married to Melody? And are Bulle Neige and Little O their children? Now Steve proves to be the real enigma. There is speculation, re: past interviews, that he has two daughters. Anyone know? And with whom? I've always wondered if he and Karin Jansson were married or involved. Post any answers or Email alchymia@aol.com please. :) From ALCHYMIA@aol.com Wed Aug 17 14:06 PDT 1994 From: ALCHYMIA@aol.com Sender: "ALCHYMIA" Subject: How can one get in touch with SK? I am looking to get in touch with Steve. Address/info other than Box 56 Rozelle..... We met in Michigan, trhough Kevin Williams, in June 1990 and again in October 1990 while Steve was doing a solo tour. I moved, KW moved, and am now out of touch with both. Anyone got any ideas? Can anyone forward a message to Steve that I am trying to get in touch with him? Please Email alchymia@aol.com. Thank you. :) From ALCHYMIA@aol.com Wed Aug 17 14:09 PDT 1994 From: ALCHYMIA@aol.com Sender: "ALCHYMIA" Subject: Re: None and John's Statement John Says: (excerpted) ...The Church are getting better, and at the same time more ignored.... Well, we're here aren't we? Yet I agree they are definitely ignored by most. Perhaps it's because most people can't grasp intelligent lyrics or ethereal music? I mean, The Church's metaphors make you think don't they? And, uuuuugh, God/ess forbid if one is spiritually/mentally stimulated to reflect and ponder!! :::Laugh::: alchymia@aol.com From ALCHYMIA@aol.com Thu Aug 18 07:30 PDT 1994 From: ALCHYMIA@aol.com Sender: "ALCHYMIA" Subject: Re: RE: The Church Bio info? WOW! twins! I've got one infant and that's a load to take care of! Are Steve and Karin still together? And does anyone know when they first met? From MADHOUSE94@aol.com Thu Aug 18 11:28 PDT 1994 From: MADHOUSE94@aol.com Sender: "MADHOUSE94" Subject: Re: The Church Bio info? Marty's is May 7 Steve's is Sept 13 From mosk Thu Aug 18 14:15 PDT 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: RE: The Church Bio info? > From ALCHYMIA@aol.com Thu Aug 18 07:30:23 1994 > WOW! twins! > > I've got one infant and that's a load to take care of! > Are Steve and Karin still together? And does anyone know when they first met? > This is pure speculation on my part, but I believe Steve and Karin are still together. Steve wrote in November that he speaks Swedish so that he can talk to his kids and their mom. He also informed me of a new album that Karin was recording (or had recorded), and I therefore take it that they are still together. I also sent a letter off to Karin c/o Steve's p.o. box. If it comes back with blood on it, I'll let you know... :-) Since Steve appearantly is in Sweden right now (was that where you interviewed him from Anthony?) I assumed they were visiting Karin's parents, showing off the new grandkids. Oh what a trip it must be to have Steve as the "son-in-law"..... I have wondered how the two met also, and how Ann and Marty met... I've always imagined that Pink Champagne opened for the Church at a gig, and Steve and Marty just fell in love.... :-) -morten From dmccorm1@students.wisc.edu Thu Aug 18 15:35 PDT 1994 X-Nupop-Charset: English From: "dan john mccormick" Sender: dmccorm1@students.wisc.edu Subject: New Member Intro My name is Dan, I can be reached at dmccorm1@students.wisc.edu, and I just joined the Church-net. My favorite disc so far would probably be "Starfish", though "Gold Afternoon Fix" is the best overall album (not a flawed track in the lot). During the semester, I've been known to overdose on "Mhyrhh" (or however you spell it...), "Priest=Aura", "Film", "Destination", and "Hotel Womb." Lately, I've been looking into import releases and bootlegs/concert recordings. Other musical interests include Stevie Ray Vaughan, Joe Satriani, and the Psychedelic Furs/Love Spit Love. Comedy is a passion of mine, ranging from early film slapstick to British comedies (Blackadder, Young Ones, etc). (Oh, did I neglect to mention "Mystery Science Theater 3000"?) Dan McCormick Film/Broadcasting Major at University of Wisconsin-Madison dmccorm1@students.wisc.edu "What do you think, sirs?" --Joel Hodgson, "MST3K" From matthew.blair@afrc.ac.uk Fri Aug 19 04:43 PDT 1994 Content-Identifier: 11889B2C0E00 From: BLAIRM Subject: cut in two Sensitivity: Company-Confidential >My name is Dan, I can be reached at dmccorm1@students.wisc.edu, and I just >joined the Church-net. My favorite disc so far would probably be "Starfish", >though "Gold Afternoon Fix" is the best overall album (not a flawed track in >the lot). Welcome aboard Dan, nice to have another new member. Interesting comment on GAF, BTW. There are 1 or 2 people on the list who are not too keen on various aspects of GAF, but I like it fine. >Other musical interests include... and the Furs/Love Spit Love. Yeah !! I like the Furs too, but I've not heard Love Spit Love yet. Any good ? Are they like the furs ? Is there an LP out yet ? Oh, for those of you who remember, I ended up giving my co-guitarist/friend GAF on CD to listen to. I also played him bits of SA/SE and Hindsight. He's taking his time on GAF, but one track he *did* like was Sisters (Hindsight) There's hope yet !! Listening to SE last night, Cut In Two...could it be (even marginally) about the split in the church ? ie Cut in two, that's the kind of ship I'm running I like Marty's vocals in the background, but a couple of questions. 1. What does Steve say/sing at the point 'Incidentally, I like the word..' I cant make out what he says. 2. Just before this, Marty's screaming something. To me it sounds like 'Friends...fuck off', but I could be wrong. If I'm right, could he be singing to/about Peter ? Just a couple of bits that may start a new thread. Or maybe not :) Lastly, where do people get all these biographical bits on SK and MWP ? It's not exactly as if they're front-page news or anything, or is it superlative detective work ? Later, MAtt. From jlg@abacus.hgs.se Fri Aug 19 04:55 PDT 1994 From: E Joakim Lundberg Subject: subscription! Hiya Churchers! I'm a swedish fan of The Church ... I would like to be on the mailing-list! Please! Best regards Joakim Lundberg From matthew.blair@afrc.ac.uk Fri Aug 19 05:03 PDT 1994 Content-Identifier: 11889B441A00 From: BLAIRM Subject: farewell Dick ? Sensitivity: Company-Confidential I just got a 'Service unavailable' while posting. It was from ...Is this Dick ? Does that mean he's not with us anymore ? Later, MAtt. From jlg@abacus.hgs.se Fri Aug 19 05:49 PDT 1994 From: E Joakim Lundberg Subject: subscribe Please subscribe me! /Joakim From ALCHYMIA@aol.com Fri Aug 19 06:23 PDT 1994 From: ALCHYMIA@aol.com Sender: "ALCHYMIA" Subject: Re: cut in two Matt: I don't know what Marty is saying. But Steve is saying "I always liked the word Tresspass." (That is my conjecture anyway.) Does anyone have the complete lyrics? I would be interested. The lyrics, being so layered, are often hard to follow or hear. And I really like the song. Let us know :) Happy Day All alchymia@aol.com From BROWNKB@ml.wpafb.af.mil Fri Aug 19 07:36 PDT 1994 From: BROWNKB@ml.wpafb.af.mil Reply-To: BROWNKB@ml.wpafb.af.mil Subject: New Member Intro Hello, my name is Kelly Brown, from Dayton, Ohio near Cincinatti and I'm happy to join this outstanding congregation. Well it's great to know there are other people out there who appreciate a great band. I've been envolved with the Church since 1988. I've tryed to collect everything they ever but out. It has become a obsession with me, going to record collector shows, everytime I go to a record store, immediately going to the C's, reading goldmine magizine like the bible hoping I will find something new and converting new followers. Every album that is put out is better then the next, my fav song at this time is "The Disolutionist". But it changes day to day. I'm always looking for anything from, Steve, Marty, Peter. Also HEX, Jack frost, All About Eve. My other musical interest are: Grateful Dead, go figure! I love candles, inscense and music. You can reach me at: BROWNKB@ml.wpafb.af.mil Talk at ya later KELLY From mosk Fri Aug 19 09:04 PDT 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: farewell Dick ? > From matthew.blair@afrc.ac.uk Fri Aug 19 05:03:14 1994 > Subject: farewell Dick ? > Sensitivity: Company-Confidential > > I just got a 'Service unavailable' while posting. It was from > ...Is this Dick ? Does that mean he's not with us > anymore ? > > Later, > MAtt. > No, Dick is still with us, but I think they have intermittent mailer-problems at his site (or it could be somewhere between us and them). I have corrected his subscription address (to case sensitive) to see if that fixes the problem.... -morten From powell@Kodak.COM Fri Aug 19 09:57 PDT 1994 From: "Richard W. Powell x71123/ESD/8-23-KP" Reply-To: "Richard W. Powell x71123/ESD/8-23-KP" Subject: Mr. Undeliverable As I just warned Matt... I'm Back! But, I understand that mail to me has been bouncing. Ouch! I just found out that my mail server died while I was away this week. It should be all set now. - Dick (Powell@Kodak.COM) PS: Anything happen while I was gone? ... Have the Church released that new EP yet? You know, the one with "Business Woman" backed with those live acoustic tunes from the promo tour - "Ritz", "Providence", and "Will I Start To Bleed" ????? (heh heh) From rfd@buclaa.bu.edu Fri Aug 19 10:49 PDT 1994 From: rfd@buclaa.bu.edu (Richard F. Delano) Subject: Dick's back!! Actually Dick, live versions of "Ritz," "Providence," and "Will I Start To Bleed?" will appear on the new Stone Roses album :0 Rich Boston Univ. From BSmith@VCOMTELC.TELECOM.com.au Fri Aug 19 12:18 PDT 1994 From: "Smith, Brian" Subject: Green Guide SASE Review Hi all This is a review from August 11th of your fave album and mine ! Reproduced without permission -----Review Begins------- The transformation of the church into a studio-based group, after shrinking from a conventional four-piece to comprising only singer and bass player Steve Kilbey and guitarist Marty Willson-Piper, has yielded a dense score of giddy acid rhythms, dreamy lyrics and synthesised washes. SA is psychedelia updated to incorporate all of the Brian Eno-pioneered electronic ambience with 1990s technology. There is barely a noise on the noise (huh ?) that hasn't been remoulded and smoothed into a wistful soundscape, flowing gently underneath Kilbey's half-serious Guru lyrics. They have almost completely discarded the traditional rock drums and guitar riffery of previous albums, preferring to trance out on the dance floor. Rhythmically they employ drum loops and added layers of percussion that U2 also thought were necessary to stay relevant in the age of dance music on Zooropa. There is no song as irresistible as Under The Milky Way on SA, but Steve Kilbey has produced on of his most charming melodies on Loveblind, the current single. Several other songs strike you as worthy studio experimentations that in no case could be reproduced live. Studio albums by bands that can no longer continue touring have a tendency towards lopsided self-indulgence, but the quality of the music on this album and its ability to exude a gaunting, cloudy ambience make this album worthwhile. SA also includes a seven-track bonus disc,including Drought recorded live in Amsterdam (Brian says: NOT !) which strikes me as something like the Church's spiritual home city (DITTO !), and a collection of other noddlings by this imaginative duo. ------------Review Ends---------- I'm not sure about that "added drum loops and percussion ... to stay relevant...". That's the last thing "Skilbey and Wiper" care about. Brian From mrg@mame.mu.OZ.AU Fri Aug 19 16:13 PDT 1994 Cc: Church Subject: Re: Green Guide SASE Review <2E561EEF@msmail.trl.oz.au> From: matthew green i think it's good to meantion that the green guide is a part of one of the biggest papers (the age) published over here. yay. From john.brownosullivan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Sat Aug 20 22:02 PDT 1994 X-Sender: ou005076@brandywine.otago.ac.nz From: john.brownosullivan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (John Brown-O'Sullivan) Subject: Re: Church Article Hi Rhonda I couldn't reach you thru your address, so I'm entrusting this to Seance: >The date of the interview was sometime in June I'm guessing. >I saw the guys in July but they hit the Atlanta area first. The >article just happened to appear in the paper recently. Glad >my friend looked it out for me as it was really good. Are you saying you have the 'disillusionist' article? >Have you seen an interview with the guys from the B-Side magazine? I >just picked it up, but don't know if anyone typed it in yet. > >Thanks! >Rhonda I've never heard of the B-Side magazine! John From powell@Kodak.COM Mon Aug 22 06:00 PDT 1994 From: "Richard W. Powell x71123/ESD/8-23-KP" Reply-To: "Richard W. Powell x71123/ESD/8-23-KP" Subject: Re: Church Article Rhonda wrote to John: >Have you seen an interview with the guys from the B-Side magazine? I >just picked it up, but don't know if anyone typed it in yet. Hello all - I've attached an Oct/90 interview from B-Side Magazine. I also have another from Apr/92 that I'll send out later. Thats all I've seen from that mag. Are there any other interesting ones from B-Side? -Dick (Powell@Kodak.COM) (This ones about 5 pages long) *********************************************************** Publisher: B-Side Magazine (New Jersey, USA) Issue: Vol.4, No.5 Date: Oct, 1990 *********************************************************** FEATURES THE CHURCH By Sandra A. Garcia Sparkling mind addictions. THE CHURCH SHIMMER By Marci Cohen "I was just randomly flipping through channels," recalls Steve Kilbey about how he came to be watching the financial news on television. "I never follow the stock market. But I like to sometimes just randomly flip through channels and pick things out of the air." On this occasion, he selected "Gold Afternoon Fix," a term for the price of gold that is set in the afternoon and fixed overnight. Despite any drug- related connotations, it was Wall Street that provided the title for the latest record by the prolific collective known as the Church. Gold Afternoon Fix is a walk across a velvet blanket spread over a bed of rounded stones. The surface is lush and inviting, but conceals a convoluted terrain underneath, unexpected but never too jagged. Dense and slightly impenetrable, the Church's music stands up to or requires repeated listening. No "I'm in love with her and I feel fine" simplicities here. Like mental New Year's Eve confetti, it soars immediately and ultimately finds its way into unlikely nooks in the mind; months later, those bits of pastel paper caught in one's shoe or pocket recall that blurry, forgotten celebration. The work is more of a collaboration of the full band than in the past. Bass player Steve Kilbey, guitarists Marty Willson-Piper and Peter Koppes and drummer Richard Ploog all share in the music credits. Like their last album, 1988's Starfish, Gold Afternoon Fix was produced by Waddy Wachtel. "It was a kind of a compromise to get this album underway to use him again," says Kilbey, who spoke from Cincinnati as they were winding down their U.S. tour. Wachtel seems an unlikely choice for the Church because of his association with the Southern California scene of the mid '70's. Kilbey explains why he supported Wachtel's involvement with the band. "It was just suggested. And I like bizarre suggestions. I like juxtaposing elements in music. I like juxtaposing elements in words and in art generally. And I think if you do it in your life- I thought that was a strange juxtaposition to put Waddy Wachtel with the Church and I was interested to see what would come from that." While Wachtel is expanding beyond his original roots by working with artists like the Church and Iggy Pop, the Church have defied their own geographic associations. Their homeland of Australia and its pub scene have a history of producing direct, in-your-face music, more hard-edged than the Church's. The band was able to develop in spite of the scene's apparent obstacles because, as Kilbey indicates, those constraints don't really exist. "We played on the Australian pubs. That's pretty overrated, the whole thing. It's no different to the bars people play at here. It's just a little legend that someone's having a bit of fun propagating. The Australian pub scene's no worse than the English pub scene or any other country that has rock and roll bands. And people go to pubs to see bands like the Church as much as they go and see Midnight Oil." Appreciating their music might seem to require more thought than was possible over clatter of drinks, though. "I would say that when we played some of those pubs, there wasn't a real lot of thinking going on in the audience." More attentive audiences would have been preferable, "but we did alright. We never got things thrown at us often." Another myth cleared up: the value of touring. Starfish produced the band's first Top 40 hit in America, 'Under the Milky Way.' The single made the album their most successful, but they also supported it with nine months on the road. They scheduled a much briefer outing for this round. "I'm not a great believer in touring as a thing that really achieves much at all other than it's nice to play and people hopefully enjoy it. But I don't think it sells records. It's now like we've done two months and that's about all that's needed, and that's about all that's appropriate, so that's the end of it," says Kilbey. Kilbey considered scrapping the tour plans entirely because of hearing damage. He consulted a doctor about a constant ringing in his ears, but a complete work stoppage was unnecessary. Even the concessions he made were of little help. "I bought myself a very expensive pair of earphones. However, I lose the vibe incredibly when I'm wearing them. I just can't play with them in, so I'm just putting up with it. Sacrifice for rock and roll." Missing from the current tour was long-time Church drummer Ploog who took what was officially termed a "year-long leave of absence." By this point, though, Kilbey characterizes Ploog's returning as "highly unlikely." For his replacement, the band put at the top of its list Jay Dee Daugherty, who came aboard for this tour. "We're hoping Jay Dee can fit the Church in around his other commitments," comments Kilbey. "He's Patti Smith's drummer first. She's going to be doing another album. So that's his first love, I suppose." Koppes and Willson-Piper contribute lead vocals on the songs on Fix for which they penned the lyrics, 'Transient' and 'Russian Autumn Heart,' respectively. Kilbey carried the remainder of the lyric writing and singing, with all working on the music. In light of the large contributions that those three make to the group, being the fourth member might seem an intimidating position for anyone. Kilbey discounts this possible difficulty. "No, Jay Dee fitted in two minutes after we had our first jam. Absolutely no problem with that." The Church's live cover of Patti Smith's 'Dancing Barefoot' preceded Daugherty's arrival. "There was a friend of ours in Australia who had a single of it out," details Kilbey. "A guy called Damien Lovelock from the Celibate Rifles. And he wanted to do the song with us. So we learned it and we did it with him one night and then that was it. And so we thought, 'Well, now seeing we've learned the bloody song, we might as well keep playing it after all.' And it is kind of a nice song." It's unlikely that the tune will crop up on vinyl, though. "Since we've started doing it, I found out that everybody and their roadie has got a version of it out there. U2 have got a version." And, no doubt, their roadie. Their recent Philadelphia appearance at the Chestnut Cabaret, a large club, put them in closer contact with the audience than they were in 1988 when they headlined at the reserved-seated Tower Theater. Kilbey used the opportunity to interact with the audience at the Chestnut. During the show, he deadpanned, "Marty, somebody's calling you," addressing the band's lead guitarist with the high cheekbones and perfect teeth. "She loves you," he droned. "She really loves you." He got more laughs with familiar bass lines from dinosaur rock classics like 'Smoke on the Water,' but also took a shot at the post-modern set by striking an exaggerated Peter Murphy pose. Steve explains his approach towards working off an audience. "It's just a night-by-night thing. It's sort of like you go out to a restaurant with a bunch of people. Sometimes you can be the life of the party and other times you sit in the corner and don't say a word. I think that's pretty much what was happening. If you get an interesting audience and there's people yelling out one-liners that are setting you up for a joke, you start getting involved. Other times, you go on stage and you realize the moment you step up there that this isn't the situation for jokes. People just want you to play your stuff and they don't want to hear any kind of patter." I praise his sarcasm from that evening in Philly, and he uses my comment to expand on his point. "See, that's the problem there. The sarcasm's entertaining, but does it enhance the songs that follow it? Not necessarily, so you have to judge that one." The band also got involved with one of their support acts. During the Starfish tour, former Television guitarist Tom Verlaine joined the Church for their encore after his doing his own opening set. However, they haven't always felt such a strong affinity with other bands with whom they have toured. "It's been a strange thing, opening acts. All kinds of politics are involved. Tom Verlaine is someone that we all loved and were really happy to have on the tour. Most of the other people have been sort of- the agents wanted them or some record company. Or it's a favor to somebody," says Kilbey. He suggests a different arrangement. "If I had my way, if I was going to see my favorite band, I wouldn't want to see another rock band on before them. Or perhaps I'd just like to see them and no opening act. But I'd rather probably see a string quartet or a juggler or a magician or something. I don't want my ears blasted away before I hear my favorite. I'm not big on having other bands." The Church often draws comparisons to late '60's psychedelia, but their associations with Television and the Patti Smith Group suggest stronger ties to the New York scene of the mid-70's. Steve confirms and expands on this observation. "I'd be more inclined to lean towards that stuff than towards '60's psychedelia. Anything that's good, I feel free to dabble in. Any elements that I think that I can use, I'll take, whether it's from rap in 1990 or whether it's from Erik Satie in 1920. I'll take anything at all that I think I can use." "Haunting," "dreaming" and "ethereal" are frequently used in connection with the band. Kilbey feels that they come across as more grounded in concert. "I don't think you'd see the Church live and say we were dreamy or haunting. I think we're kind of nasty rock and roll. It's good to have the thing on record where we're more that way and live we're more the other way. The difference between a play and a film." The Church members are flooding the market with their creative output. In addition to Gold Afternoon Fix, their seventh album, they have also released a compilation video, Goldfish (Jokes, Magic Souvenirs). Arista, their third and current U.S. label, has reissued their back catalogue. (The re-release of their debut, Of Skins and Heart, now includes all the tracks that were part of the Australian, British and American self-titled versions.) Kilbey, Koppes and Willson-Piper each have recent solo albums out. Kilbey is also half of Hex, a project with Game Theory vocalist Donnette Thayer. In a decade, they have churned out sixteen albums through their joint and single efforts. Goldfish is similar to self-titled video that was available only in Australia a few years back. "It's all of that with the stuff from Starfish and the new album, plus between each video, it's some home footage of backstage little vignettes, little things," describes Kilbey. They didn't tape those bits with the home video in mind. "It was just someone with a camera was hanging around filming us being stupid." More intentional was the band's own censoring of their video for 'You're Still Beautiful,' in which "fucking" is obtrusively bleeped. "I just thought it was funny to do it ourselves. Keep someone else from doing it," says Kilbey. "I like the idea that it draws your attention to it more than if it hadn't been there." As for the star of the video, "He's an out- of- work actor who was just selected for his outrageous portrayal of a washed- up transvestite." Remindlessness, From the Well, and Rhyme are, respectively, Kilbey, Koppes and Willson-Piper's latest solo endeavors. Kilbey explains the reason for their individual efforts. "We all write songs and stuff and we just want to get it out. It's fun to do a record on your own and it's profitable, as well." One advantage of the solo process is its speed. "It's much faster. You don't have to ask opinions. You just do what you like. Play all the stuff, produce it, record it and do whatever you want. That's the beauty of it, that's the drawback of it, is that you have no one to say, 'No, you shouldn't do that. That's not very good.' The Church is a more considered thing." Solo work also allows for a more consistent sound, keeping all the irregularity outside the group. Kilbey highlights other benefits as well as the band's creative environment. "Well, many hands make light work, don't they? It's just three or four people thinking together, working together, is going to be better than one guy saying, 'I think you should all do this,' and three reluctant donkeys." Kilbey quickly insists that the Church won't become merely a source of financing for their smaller solo outings, but he takes a long, thoughtful pause before explaining what would prevent that situation. "The idea of the Church still fills us all with a certain amount of pride in what we have and what we've done and what we've achieved. I think we have too much respect for the thing to want to milk it like that." I suggest that even though it doesn't have his name on it the way a solo record would, it's still a part of him and he wouldn't want to degrade it. He jumps in much faster for this response. "Very much. The Church, in a way, means more to me than the solo stuff." I had unwittingly set myself up by complimenting his sarcasm. As we wrap up the interview, I ask if there's anything he wanted to add. "I would like to add 1 and 2," he responds. I give him the go-ahead, expecting tremendous revelations on points we hadn't yet covered. "1 and 2 equals 3." He then inquires as to the content of our magazine, jesting "I thought it was a magazine about having honey and stuff." No, it's not Bee-Side! Underneath those dreamy, ethereal layers lays a surprising sense of humor. ***END*** From rcorcora@nyx10.cs.du.edu Mon Aug 22 12:50 PDT 1994 of Denver. The University has neither control over nor responsibility for the opinions or correct identity of users. X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University of Denver. The University has neither control over nor responsibility for the opinions or correct identity of users. From: Rhonda Corcoran Subject: Re: Church Article (fwd) Hi John! Don't know why you couldn't reach me except that my mailbox has limits on it sometime. It's cleaned out now though. Disillusionist article? I thought you were asking about the interview I typed in which took place in Atlanta. Oops. :) As for B-sides, it's an American magazine which had another Kilbey/MWP interview in their Aug/Sept 94 issue. Anyone not seen this yet? I can type it in (It's a bit long but I'm a martyr). One last thing, is that the Bob offers back issues and in the Summertime issue, I noticed the issue of with Steve's interview and flexi disc was being sold still. A caption mentioned that there were limited copies available. I sent my money in and am waiting anxiously to see it appear in my mailbox. If anyone wants ordering info. let me know. I'll let you all know if/when I get mine. Rhonda From anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Mon Aug 22 13:25 PDT 1994 Reply-To: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Organization: Xymox UUCP System, Melbourne Australia From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Re: all those articles John asks... > Last of all, has Anthony done his interview with SK yet? Yup. :) Mine'll be running when the next single comes out here, but you'll all see a transcript before then. An interview from the same batch by a journalist from our rival magazine InPress was printed this week in that magazine. And I'll be darned if those "Kilbey de-toxing in America" rumours I thought too silly to ask him about are confirmed in that interview to be actually true... -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au those herbal-tea moments." - Caroline Sullivan of The Guardian reviewing the new "Victoria Amos" album. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Mon Aug 22 13:27 PDT 1994 Reply-To: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Organization: Xymox UUCP System, Melbourne Australia From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Re: RE: The Church Bio info? > > I've got one infant and that's a load to take care of! > > Are Steve and Karin still together? And does anyone know when they first met? > > This is pure speculation on my part, but I believe Steve and Karin > are still together. Steve wrote in November that he speaks Swedish > so that he can talk to his kids and their mom. He also informed > me of a new album that Karin was recording (or had recorded), and > I therefore take it that they are still together. > Since Steve appearantly is in Sweden right now (was that where > you interviewed him from Anthony?) Yes, that's where he was, and the kids could be heard in the background. Also, other reliable sources placed him in Sweden with Karin prior to that. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au those herbal-tea moments." - Caroline Sullivan of The Guardian reviewing the new "Victoria Amos" album. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From matthew.blair@afrc.ac.uk Tue Aug 23 06:41 PDT 1994 Content-Identifier: 1188BBAB0000 From: BLAIRM Subject: unknown record ? Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Hi, A 'friend' of mine mailed me earlier today. Her name's Spiggy, and we got in contact thru the sisters list, when everyone posted our top ten non-sisters lp's (yeah top 10's get *everywhere*) I mentioned the church (P=A and SA/SE), as did a couple of other people, so of course i mentioned the church list, and people then mailed me for the address. Anyway, Spiggy doesn't have enough disk space to be on another list, so for the moment she won't be joining us. In a brief extract from a very interesting letter she mentions >and i have an lp which seems to be...maybe pre-of skins >and heart? it's got 'unguarded moment' on it, and some >other stuff (i don't own a record player, so i've nothing >on which to play my vinyl, so i don't really remember >everything on the album, waaah). the cover has a yellow >border, and is of statues crumbling, and i've completely >forgotten the name. I suggest it was 'the church', which as you all know was a (sort of) re-hash of S+H. (well *I* know what I mean :) Any other suggestions ? Problem is, i don't remember 'the church' as having a yellow border, tho it does have a broken statue on it. Well, th-th-th-th-thats all folks MAtt. ps Mark, I like the 'FRENCH FISHWIRE' suggestion for cut in two. For some strange reason I can't stop laughing. Dunno what it means, but it sounds incredibly daft :) pps Dick, thanks for the article on the title of GAF. I always just thought of the obvious drug reference From ALCHYMIA@aol.com Tue Aug 23 08:13 PDT 1994 From: ALCHYMIA@aol.com Sender: "ALCHYMIA" Subject: Re: unknown record ? Matt writes: Anyway, Spiggy doesn't have enough disk space to be on another list, so for the moment she won't be joining us. In a brief extract from a very interesting letter she mentions >and i have an lp which seems to be...maybe pre-of skins >and heart? it's got 'unguarded moment' on it, and some >other stuff (i don't own a record player, so i've nothing >on which to play my vinyl, so i don't really remember >everything on the album, waaah). the cover has a yellow >border, and is of statues crumbling, and i've completely >forgotten the name. I suggest it was 'the church', which as you all know was a (sort of) re-hash of S+H. (well *I* know what I mean :) Any other suggestions ? Sounds like THE CHURCH LP to me! And yes it does have yellow border. It's the S&H LP released in US. Good Day All. I"m guessing that the GAF article explains that Steve thought of the name from wathing the Stock quotes... and heres the Gold Afternoon Fix of the day sort or thing, re: the stock value of gold? From matthew.blair@afrc.ac.uk Tue Aug 23 09:29 PDT 1994 Content-Identifier: 1188BC500E00 From: BLAIRM Subject: re: re: unknown record Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Hi, Just read ALCHYMIA (? sorry, don't know if this is your name or not) reply to my 'unknown record' query. I didn't know the US release had a yellow border. In the UK, 'the church' cover is a sort of bluey type picture of a statue that's fallen over etc.. but there's no yellow border (I think, I'm going by memory here) Also it's not just a straight re-issue of S+H. Tracks were added and removed, between S=H and 'the church'. Anyone have any ideas as to why this was done ? Later, MAtt. From U23500@UICVM.UIC.EDU Tue Aug 23 13:39 PDT 1994 From: Mephisto Subject: AAE Ok, i just bought AAE-Scarlet and Other Stories... Anybody want to tell me whehter or not I wasted my time on a non MWP induced album? Mephisto | I'm not in this business primarily to describe or explain or entertain. | | I'm here to make the reader think, even if I have to bash his teeth out, | | break his legs, grind him up, beat him down, and totally chastise him for | | the terrible and tinsel and almost wholly bad world we allow. The reader I | | want wants the anguish, knows that some awful payment is due. -- D. Bunch | From ALCHYMIA@aol.com Tue Aug 23 15:04 PDT 1994 From: ALCHYMIA@aol.com Sender: "ALCHYMIA" Subject: Re: re: re: unknown record Hi Matt: Yeah your right about the addition of tracks etc. Interesting about the difference in graphic design. I have also seen several different covers of seance, re: color. alchmyia@aol.com From BSmith@VCOMTELC.TELECOM.com.au Wed Aug 24 00:22 PDT 1994 From: "Smith, Brian" Cc: Church Subject: "Cut In Two" Babble interpretation > ps Mark, I like the 'FRENCH FISHWIRE' suggestion for cut in two. For > some strange reason I can't stop laughing. Dunno what it means, but it > sounds incredibly daft :) It sounds more like FISHWIFE to me. This is a real word, so I'm pretty sure thats what it should be. Brian From matthew.blair@afrc.ac.uk Wed Aug 24 01:19 PDT 1994 Content-Identifier: 1188C2541600 From: BLAIRM Subject: warning !! no church content !! Sensitivity: Company-Confidential >Ok, i just bought AAE-Scarlet and Other Stories... >Anybody want to tell me whehter or not I wasted my time on a non MWP >induced album? >Mephisto yup ! Sorry to say it's NOT an MWP era AAE LP (ooh, love those abreviations) MWP didn't appear til the next LP, Touched By Jesus. I'm a big AAE fan, and was before MWP joined, but Scarlet was a dissapointment to me. There *are* good songs on it, ie December, Road To Your Soul, Scarlet, but the rest is not up to much :( Love everything else they've done though !! >Matt...there is a SoM mailing list? I have to be on it... >could you give me the address, please? I am surprised that there is >a contingent of people that like the church and SoM...just seems like >an odd mix to me, although i like em both, so hey, why shouldn't >everybody else... >raj Yes, there is a som list. Here's the address. Be warned it's not quite like Seance !! Mostly people post one or two-liners, along the lines of 'I'm more gothic than you are', but sometimes something interesting comes up,(like the brief story/pisstake i wrote and posted yesterday, concerning the split between Hussey and Eldritch) though not very often. Anyway here's the address to subscribe to : DOMINION-REQUEST@OHM.YORK.AC.UK If you have any problems, let me know. Later, MAtt. From powell@Kodak.COM Wed Aug 24 08:42 PDT 1994 From: "Richard W. Powell x71123/ESD/8-23-KP" Reply-To: "Richard W. Powell x71123/ESD/8-23-KP" Subject: Re: Church Article (fwd) Rhonda wrote: > As for B-sides, it's an American magazine which had another Kilbey/MWP > interview in their Aug/Sept 94 issue. Anyone not seen this yet? I > can type it in (It's a bit long but I'm a martyr). Rats, I missed that issue. It's sold out at my local mag store. I only pick it up if I see something I'm interested in noted on the cover. If I ever find it I'll type up. I have a scanner, but depending on the quality of the text/background, I usually still have a bit to typing to do. see ya, Dick (Powell@ESD.Kodak.COM) From powell@Kodak.COM Wed Aug 24 09:41 PDT 1994 From: "Richard W. Powell x71123/ESD/8-23-KP" Reply-To: "Richard W. Powell x71123/ESD/8-23-KP" Subject: Re: all those articles Anthony wrote: > An interview from the same batch by a journalist from > our rival magazine InPress was printed this week in that magazine. I'd love to read that one. Anyone feel like typing??? > be darned if those "Kilbey de-toxing in America" rumours I thought too silly > to ask him about are confirmed in that interview to be actually true... De-tox ?? Maybe thats why he's been so (reportedly) pricky lately! I'm dying to crack a joke about this, but I suppose this subject is too serious and personal. - Dick From ALCHYMIA@aol.com Thu Aug 25 14:15 PDT 1994 From: ALCHYMIA@aol.com Sender: "ALCHYMIA" Subject: Re: Green Guide SASE Review What is the Green Guide? And off the subject of music, (sort of)..... All you OZ folk, have you ever read a magazine called NEXUS? I know the publisher Duncan and have often wondered if I could get him to start including interviews on alternative, ethereal, bands. Like The Church for instance. If you've read it, what do you think? Too far out for that sort of thing? alchymia@aol.com From aaron@cleese.apana.org.au Fri Aug 26 00:26 PDT 1994 From: Aaron Schilling Subject: unsubscribe Could you please remove me from this list (we have it compiled as a newsgroup). Thank`s Aaron Schilling aaron@cleese.apana.org.au From iy17@jove.acs.unt.edu Fri Aug 26 06:22 PDT 1994 From: Koontz Christopher Noel Subject: STEVE KILBEY GOT ME AN "A" IN HISTORY! i was going thru a box of old papers & notes from my heady undergrad days and chanced upon an essay that i wrote for a medieval history class. It was on the Fourth Crusade, in which the Crusaders, who were staying in Consantinople on their way to the Holy Land, decided to blow the whole thing off and sack the Byzantine city instead, since they were already there and they owed them some money or something. The title of the paper was ... you guessed it, "The Blurred Crusade." It's rather appropriate, isn't it? The prof wrote "Nice title." The shocking thing was that i refrained from spelling Constantinople "Constant in Opal." i also just read the article in which SK said that he'd like to see jugglers, magicians, etc. instead of opening acts. The garage band i was in during highschool (along w/ fellow Seanceist Columbia Blue Carl) had a juggling friend open for us a couple of times. The crowd rather liked it. From vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu Fri Aug 26 08:08 PDT 1994 via MS.5.6.pcs9.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4c_411; From: Vernon H Harmon Subject: Re: STEVE KILBEY GOT ME AN "A" IN HISTORY! >from spelling Constantinople "Constant in Opal." D'oh! Watch the light of recognition come on in Vernon's head! geeeez. --Vernon. From matthew.blair@afrc.ac.uk Fri Aug 26 08:13 PDT 1994 Content-Identifier: 1188D40E1100 From: BLAIRM Subject: GROOoooOOVY bands Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Just reading through some (very) old mail today, and I came across a comment by Morten >I have been trying to convince a friend of mine that the Church is the >best thing since cheese-slicers, but he said that he just can't handle >Steve's monotone singing. I guess it's an aquired taste. All I want to know is, who is this band cheese-slicers ? Are they same band as cheese-graters ? I'm desperate !! I've raked record shops everywhere ! I *did* find, however, a band called Casette Head Cleaner. VERY industrial !! Side 2 is a bit more ambient though. The strange thing is, after listening to this tape, all my other tapes sound sooo much better. Strange, huh ? They have a video out too !!! Any other members out there have any strange bands they'd like to mention. Later, MAtt. ps please don't anybody take the above seriously ;) From pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Fri Aug 26 11:35 PDT 1994 From: pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Subject: NSEW I haven't checked my mail for a week, so I'm just beginning to go through the 77 messages that await me today, but I saw where Matt and John were discussing NSEW lyrics. The line to a wolf from a lamb for just half a gram that was in question is in fact the line given in the "official" guitar tab book for Starfish, if that makes any difference. If this question has been answered many times already, I apologize, but I haven't gotten to those responses yet. -paul From gsa@panix.com Sat Aug 27 17:26 PDT 1994 From: Gary Assa Subject: Re: NSEW Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM > NSEW lyrics. The line > to a wolf from a lamb for just half a gram > that was in question is in fact the line given in the "official" guitar tab > book for Starfish, if that makes any difference. Why is this the first time I am hearing about this discussion???? Am I missing some mail? Actually, how would anyon out there notice? From 213170596@UCIS.VILL.EDU Sun Aug 28 14:27 PDT 1994 From: 213170596@UCIS.VILL.EDU (timB) Subject: NSEW & B-Side 1. I read the B-side article on the Church (most recent one) and it really makews it sound like Marty and Steve don't really like Peter much anymore and really put on a sour grapes attitude when it comes to his departure and former place in the band. When somebody types in the article (god knows I'm not gonna, its way too long), you can judge for yourself. 2. Fuck the "official" guitar tab book. It was probablly written by some poof-haired metallite who teaches at the Guitar Institiue of Technology or some shite like that. What the fuck does _he_ know about the church? Its "to a wolf from a lamb for just half a grand" or I'll be a dingo's liver. Not like I give a shit either way, though. I just hate those fuckin' books and I'll do anything in my power to counter their existence, even at the risk of becoming part of a vile creature! ok, now i'm gonna play with these neat new pentium processor computers they just got here at school. man, this shit is fast! too bad I don't go here anymore....... timB From BSmith@VCOMTELC.TELECOM.com.au Sun Aug 28 21:01 PDT 1994 From: "Smith, Brian" Subject: RE: NSEW & B-Side > 2. Fuck the "official" guitar tab book. It was probablly written > by some poof-haired metallite who teaches at the Guitar Institiue of > Technology > or some shite like that. What the fuck does _he_ know about the church? Yeah ! I mean, he was probably just TOLD by someone know-nothing, like STEVE or MARTY what the lyrics were ! Or maybe got access to the master tapes and heard the vocal tracks without music ! Well, I'm even surprised he got the song names right ! Plus, if these guys can work out tab for lightning fast metal songs (has anyone seen the tab for Steve Vai's Passion & Warfare ? Jeeeeeeezus !), they could do Starfish and GAF in their sleep. > Its "to a wolf from a lamb for just half a grand" or I'll be a dingo's liver. I think you're a dingo's liver. > Not like I give a shit either way, though. I just hate those fuckin' books > and I'll do anything in my power to counter their existence, even at the risk > of becoming part of a vile creature! Those books gave me a really good start in playing guitar. When you're sitting in your bedroom twiddling with this lump of wood and metal, a book like that shows you how your favourite band makes "it's sound", and helps gives you a start at working out variations on them. Plus, you get posters :) Brian "Glad to be TAB" Smith From magnus@nexto.udac.se Mon Aug 29 01:16 PDT 1994 From: Magnus Ring Subject: Steve seen in Stockholm Reply-To: magnus.ring@udac.se A friend of mine saw Steve Kilbey in Stockholm last week. Steve was out walking with the twins. My friend didn't know what to do or say so he just said "Hi". Steve looked a bit confused, but he too said "Hi" and then continued onwards. This is the third time my friend, who is a greater Church fan than me, has met one or more Church members without really speaking to them. On the Starfish-tour he went to see the Church in Malmo the day after we both saw them in Stockholm. Before the gig Steve and Marty walked by him and recognized him from the night before (we stood right before the stage and we had tried to get them to play 'Tear It All Away' as encore but Steve came and said 'we don't know that one'). Steve said something like "look, our greatest fan". At last years Hultsfred Rock Festival, where Steve and Marty played unplugged, my friend sat at the table next to Marty in one of the food-tents. My friend say the Church members are like demi-gods to him. He don't want to talk to them unless he feels he got something really meaningful to say to them. Myself, I would take any chance to talk to Steve or Marty. /Magnus Ring From matthew.blair@afrc.ac.uk Mon Aug 29 08:52 PDT 1994 Content-Identifier: 1188EC2F1300 From: BLAIRM Subject: not a lot really Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Hi, I don't have much to say at the moment, 'cept it's my birthday today. A quarter of a century old !!! wow, I'm still alive !! My brother got me the sound-track CD of BladeRunner by Vangelis. It is waaaaaaayyyyy cool !! Between that and Kilbeys Earthed (bollocks, why can I never remember if its Earthed or UnEarthed ? Just senile dementia I suppose) I reckon these are possibly the two coolest instrumental CDs there are !! I also think that perhaps SK owes a bit af a debt to the BladeRunner soundtrack. Not that he's outright ripped off any one track, more just the general feel of Earthed. Well I know what I mean :) I'm going (to the pub) now. Later, MAtt. From mosk Mon Aug 29 09:35 PDT 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: re: re: unknown record > From matthew.blair@afrc.ac.uk Tue Aug 23 09:29:11 1994 > > Hi, > > Just read ALCHYMIA (? sorry, don't know if this is your name or not) reply > to my 'unknown record' query. I didn't know the US release had a yellow > border. In the UK, 'the church' cover is a sort of bluey type picture of > a statue that's fallen over etc.. but there's no yellow border (I think, > I'm going by memory here) Also it's not just a straight re-issue of S+H. > Tracks were added and removed, between S=H and 'the church'. Anyone > have any ideas as to why this was done ? > > Later, > MAtt. > Actually, the one with the yellow border (it's actually more beige/light brown) is the Canadian release of the first album. It still has the picture of the crumbling angel, but in a smaller version. The UK cover has the same picture, but covering the entire album jacket. The picture originally appeared on the "Tear it all away" double single. As for why they switched tracks around, it's probably just another example of the "wonderful" record-company policy of trying to include "hits" to sell more records. Leaving off "Fighter Pilot..." could easily be considered sacriligous... :-) Thanks again to Arista for including all additional tracks on the CD release... Hmmmm....maybe that's why I like the first album best...I had to buy 4 copies of it.... Yep, I am an easy victim of marketing ploys... :-) -morten (back from another vacation) From Salonen@aol.com Mon Aug 29 22:35 PDT 1994 From: Salonen@aol.com Sender: "Salonen" Subject: blade runner, etc. Hi kids, This is my first "posting" to this list so I hope I'm doing it right...anyways, in response to Matthew's post about Blade Runner...I totally agree! That and Steve's "Earthed" are two incredible instrumental records...I always wondered if Steve had heard the Blade Runner soundtrack...it struck me as something he would like (a little conjecture on my part here!). Also, I wondered if Steve has ever done any film composing or would consider it? It seems to me he'd be great at it....and one last note...it's great to finally be amongst other die-hard Church fans! As a fan for over ten years I have yet to meet anyone who appreciates Steve and Marty's (and yes, Peter too!) musical brilliance. Thanks to the wide, wonderful information superhighway, that's changed. =) Denise From matthew.blair@afrc.ac.uk Tue Aug 30 02:55 PDT 1994 Content-Identifier: 1188F2B12000 From: BLAIRM Subject: ? Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Quickly. Thanks to everyone who wished me a happy birthday :) It was great. Got a bit of a fuzzy head today :-( Joakim mentioned the soundtrack to 'Escape from New York'. I have this film on video. Next time I watch it I'll pay special attention to the soundtrack. I'd never have noticed it before. Also, Denise, I'd wondered too if SK had heard BladeRunner, and also I'd like to see him do film soundtrack work :) Had a great dream last night when I was brought in as the replacement for Pete. We went on tour and made a video for 'Freeze to Burn' believe it or not !! Pete turned up at a gig, and I told him the reason he was no longer in the band was coz he was too ugly for MWP and SK to bear. He then asked me why they could put up with me then...hahaha :) But that was the higlight of my guitar playing career so far. Anyway, enough babble for now MAtt. From BROWNKB@ml.wpafb.af.mil Tue Aug 30 05:00 PDT 1994 From: BROWNKB@ml.wpafb.af.mil Reply-To: BROWNKB@ml.wpafb.af.mil Subject: Inquiry I recently did a inquiry to Goldmine Magizine to find out if they are planning to do a article on The Church (since the new album recently came out) They stated not yet, but gave me the following information. They did do a article on the Church, it is in the: August 26, 1988 issue, Number #211. If you need a copy just send $2.50 to: Krause Publication, Inc. 700 E. State St. Iola WI 54945-9989 Attn: Diana Also, I have a large article from a Columbus Ohio Paper called the Edge, with interviews I plan on typing in shortly. I will get this out as soon as I get some time. Take care KELLY BROWN From vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu Tue Aug 30 07:53 PDT 1994 via MS.5.6.pcs14.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4c_411; From: Vernon H Harmon Subject: Re: ? >Had a great dream last night when I was brought in as the replacement >for Pete. We went on tour and made a video for 'Freeze to Burn' believe it Hahahaha! What were you drinking last night to celebrate your birthday? And is it available stateside? :) OBChurch: since we were on the subject of album covers recently: who is the person on the cover of Seance? --Vernon. From powell@Kodak.COM Tue Aug 30 08:18 PDT 1994 From: "Richard W. Powell x71123/ESD/8-23-KP" Reply-To: "Richard W. Powell x71123/ESD/8-23-KP" Subject: Golmine #211, Aug/88 Cc: powell@esd.kodak.com Kelly wrote: > They (Goldmine magazine) did do a article on the Church, it is in the: > August 26, 1988 issue, Number #211. If you need a copy just send $2.50 to: > > Krause Publication, Inc. > 700 E. State St. > Iola WI 54945-9989 > Attn: Diana Please buy Goldmine! I think the magazine is great. I didn't know you could get back issues. Anyway, I've attached a copy of the GM article that I'd already done. It's about 2 pages long. I typed it by hand, so look out!!!! Please let me know if you see any typos. > Also, I have a large article from a Columbus Ohio Paper called the Edge, > with interviews I plan on typing in shortly. I will get this out as soon > as I get some time. I'm looking forward to it. Paul, Andrew, and whoever else: do you have any more articles in the vaults? I've really enjoyed the ones you sent out earlier. I have to admit that I was floored seeing how good Kilbey's "THE SINGER AND HIS VOICE" was. I mean as much as I enjoy his music, that short story was excellent by any standard. Also, Rhonda & I are working on getting the B-Side article out. And, I'll be leaving today for a week vacation down in the Connecticut (US) area. Any good music stores worth checking out there? -thanks, Dick ***START*** *********************************************************** Publication: Goldmine Magazine (Iola, WI, USA) Issue: 211, Volume 14, No.18 Date: Aug/88 *********************************************************** THE CHURCH REMOTE LUXURY BY Michael Heatley If AC/DC lays claim to being Australia's top international hard- rock band, the Church represents the continent's softer pop side. The group was formed in Sydney in 1980 by British- born singer- songwriter Steve Kilbey, who hailed from Canberra, and guitarist Peter Koppes. Their influences were predominantly British glam-rock (T.Rex, Cockney Rebel) and American folk- rock (Dylan, Big Star and, especially, the 12- string guitar of the Byrds). They played a few club dates with drummer Nick Ward before Marty Willson-Piper appeared from England to pick up lead guitar. The Church's first Parlophone single, "She Never Said," failed to sell, but the second, "The Unguarded Moment," remains their most requested track. A combination of electric 12- string guitars and typically obscure lyrics from Kilbey and occasional co-writer-cum- backing vocalist Michele Parker, it reached the Australian Top 10 and made their name. Boosted by the hit single, the Church's first album, Of Skins And Hearts, went gold Down Under in 1981 before personality clashes saw drummer Ward replaced by Richard Ploog; the lineup remained constant ever since. Meanwhile, the band put out a double single, "too Fast For You," three tracks of which replaced others on the U.S. version of the Capital LP titled simply The Church. England got a less modified version under the same title with just one track change and the new line-up on the cover. The album employed EMI A&R man Chris Gilbey. who'd spotted the band, as producer and Bob Clearmountain as mixer. (Clearmountain's sure touch later helped Springsteen and Huey Lewis onto the radio.) Clearmountain co-produced 1982's The Blurred Crusade, which is still regarded by many as the Church's most complete album. The single "Almost With You" was an Australian hit. The group then took on side projects: Kilbey wrote a near-hit for Ignatius Jones (former frontman of Jimmy and the Boys), whose "Like A Ghost" proved popular in the U.S. gay dance clubs in 1982, and played along-side Willson-Piper with James Griffin and the Subterraneans. Ploog played drums with the saints and others, and Koppes and his wife recorded as Melody. More seriously, the group's future seemed in the balance and they were in danger of losing their record contract: the 1982 sing songs EP was supposed to prove they still had commercial potential. Four self composed "hit singles" were added to a cover of Paul Simon's "I Am A Rock" for a hard- to- find record which is much prized by fans. As if uncaring about their record sales, the group went back underground in early 1983 with the densely layered sound of Seance. The following year saw them turn their backs on albums altogether in favor of two EPs - Remote Luxury and Persia - only to find Warner Brothers sticking them together as the Remote Luxury album after signing the group in the United States as part of the new guitar movement and finding they had no new long- playing product to promote. College radio took up their cause, and a U.S. tour supporting Echo and the Bunnymen honed their stage act to a hitherto undreamed- of tightness, though they lost some of their subtlety in the process. The groups progress in Europe was not helped by being signed to a small French label, Carrere, so big things were expected from 1986's Heyday when it found U.K. release on EMI (though still on Warners in the United States). It was the first album to feature lyrics in the packaging, and in an unusual departure, most of the music was band- credited rather than to Kilbey alone. The result, Kilbey claimed, was "the loosest, warmest album we could make in a week or two of spontaneous creativity." Surprisingly, Willson-Piper (who lives in Sweden) left during the band's promotional tour spell in London and auditions were announced for a replacement, but he returned to the fold just as quickly as he had let it. Despite the differing albums, double singles and 12- inchers, the group's rarest recording is probably a flexidisc they gave to British fanzine Bucketfull Of Brains in 1986 entitled "Warm Spell." As the group took another sabbatical during 1987, Steve Kilbey had a chance to get some of his more personal songs out of his system. He'd already released a solo single, "Asphalt Eden," and followed it with Unearthed, released in the United States on the independent Enigma label in the summer of 1987. It gained appreciative reviews if not platinum sales. Koppes cut a mini-album, When Reason Forbids, and a full- length LP, Manchild & Myth, for the Australian Session label, while Willson-Piper recorded his own long-player, In Reflection. More recently, he released a new solo album, Art Attack. When the Church came back with this year's U.S. chart album Starfish, it was on another new label, Arista, and with new co-producers in Greg Landanyi and Waddy Wachtel. Another American, Greg Kuehn, guested on keyboards, as he had on several previous occasions. As in their stage act, guitarists Koppes and Willson-Piper were allowed a song apiece on which to show their vocal and songwriting talents, but Kilbey still dominated in a cool yet very much more commercial sound exemplified by their first U.S. hit single, "Milky Way." Like R.E.M., the Church invites comparison with groups of yesteryear in their use of identifiable building blocks of sound. Now in their eighth year of development, they can claim to have made their own distinctive mark - and finally have the commercial recognition to go with it. ***END*** From pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Tue Aug 30 12:26 PDT 1994 From: pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Subject: instrumental stuff After all the discussion about "Blade Runner" soundtrack (which I haven't heard, so no comments yet), I thought I'd add some stuff. First of all, I just got "Selected Ambient Works Vol II" by Aphex Twin, whom Steve cited as a musician he's currently into. It's 2 discs worth of instrumentals, some of it a lot like bits of Earthed. It probably doesn't have the variety of Earthed, but it's pretty cool mood stuff, pretty dark, mostly synthesizers. If you like Earthed, check it out, especially if you like the darker mellower stuff. As for Steve doing some movie scoring, lets not forget the wonderful "As You Like It" from "Reckless Kelley". On second thought, maybe it's best forgotten afterall :) -paul From cwinters@husc.harvard.edu Tue Aug 30 16:25 PDT 1994 From: Cynthia Winters Subject: jack frost 2? I am a returning member who has been away from a machine, and thus this group for the past 6 months. It's great to be back in Church fanland. I have to echo the sentiments of two other members who described today what a treat it is to find this list group. Like them, I have been listening to the band for over 10 years, but have not found it that easy to find others who share my fanaticism. That, coupled with the near complete lack of attention the band receives from the media (although I sometimes think this is a blessing in disguise), makes this list group a great find. In relation to the latest Church album, were any substantial press reviews posted to this group? Could anyone post them again or send them to me? I haven't seen much of anything in the major titles. Personally, I had mixed reactions to Sometime, Anywhere, but then again, I felt the album gave new meaning to the term "mixed bag" in regards to musical styles. Like most Church albums, it is now sinking into my blood and I find certain aspects of it addictive that didn't even make it on first listening. Now for another addiction. Has anyone heard the latest prospects in regards to a release date for the second Jack Frost album? thanks, Cynthia Winters From iy17@jove.acs.unt.edu Tue Aug 30 16:30 PDT 1994 From: Koontz Christopher Noel Subject: Blair's dream about the Church It's good to see that someone else has had a dream about the Church. i had one about 3 mos. ago that i was somewhat reluctant to share, but what the hell. i dreamt that i was on a sailing ship, circa mid17th century, and we were waylaid by these frightening, tatooed Maori-Polynesian cannibals. We were bound and gagged and brought before their leader, who was actually NBA all-star Shaquille O'Neal (yes, it's true), and were told that we would be eaten unless one of our number could defeat him in single combat. OUt of our midst stepped none other than MWP, complete with earrings and really nifty black vest, who proceeded to beat the living tar out of the O'Neal figure and slew him by tearing the giant's throat out with his teeth. MWP then became the king of the island and they made huge stone idols of him. Then i woke up and considered analysis, but it's real expensive. From n9282183@beaker.cc.wwu.edu Tue Aug 30 17:53 PDT 1994 From: "Nicole B. Hall" Subject: church dreams Well, I had a dream a while ago that I was in the front row of a concert, and Steve had made popcorn for the audience. He looked straight at me in the middle of singing Myrrh (my favorite song :) and asked how the popcorn was. I said it was "ok" and he got angry and stormed off stage, refusing to finish the concert. Heh. | Nicole Hall | I'll try to write you a | | Western Washington University | letter from the cyclone's eye | | n9282183@henson.cc.wwu.edu | -The Church | From masons@ziavms.enmu.edu Tue Aug 30 19:26 PDT 1994 From: masons@ziavms.enmu.edu (Stewart Mason) Subject: introduction Hi. This is my first post. I first discovered The Church in 1981, when I was all of 12. A local (Boulder, CO) public-access video show played "The Unguarded Moment" almost constantly, so I bought the first US album, after which I discovered that the only other song I liked was "Too Fast For You." (Hey, I was only 12--however, this is still my least favorite Church album.) Over the next few years, I saw pricey imports on record store shelves and never bought them. In early 1985, I read a rapturous review/interview in _Creem_ concerning _Remote Luxury_, which I bought out of curiousity. I was instantly hooked--_Remote Luxury_ is by far my favorite Church album, the only one with no tracks I dislike. I've followed them off and on ever since. My favorite non-RL song is "Reptile" and my favorite solo album is Marty Willson-Piper's _Art Attack_. Anything else you need to know? ===================================== "Conspicuous consumption makes our love stronger." ===================================== Stewart Allensworth Mason (masons@ziavms.enmu.edu) P.O. Box 4056 Portales NM 88130 (505) 562-3991 From msecker@wasp.cs.cowan.edu.au Tue Aug 30 20:06 PDT 1994 Wed, 31 Aug 94 11:06:29 +0800 From: "Mark Secker" Organization: Edith Cowan University Subject: introduction Reply-To: msecker@cowan.edu.au Priority: normal Hi, Just Introducing my self to every one. I subscribed last Friday and have been sitting back reading the flood of mail. Time to delurk :) I discovered The Church way back when "Unguarded Moment" came out and my first thought was "WOW". I can honestly say that that track was the turning point in my musical taste. Up until then I was pretty much in to top 40 pop and glam metal like Kiss, these days my music spans from The Disposable Heros Of Hipocrisy, Bufalo Tom, The Orb, The Grid, This Mortal Coil, Belly, The Pixies (+ The Breaders & Frank Black) etc etc etc But most guests to my place will experiance The Church at some time during the night - usually late at night when thinking gets a little bit hazy. Over the years I've played bass in several bands and always managed to get at least one Church song in to the list of covers (Reptile is my fav rocker from the Church, more laid back bands played MilkyWay). Cascade by MWP is one of my favs for showing of the stereo imaging of my Hi-Fi system. ______________________________________________________________________ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ msecker@cowan.edu.au || Edith Cowan University || [] -The views expressed here Churchlands || || have been drawn from selected Perth Western Australia || '~~` sources to be blended and || | | distilled in to my own, ~~~ '~~~ || | /\ | 100 prof., fine sippin' ~~ OO OO ~~ || | \/ | opinions. ~~C > \ < `` || |____| \/ - > } || / || _____________________________||_______________________________________ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From BSmith@VCOMTELC.TELECOM.com.au Tue Aug 30 20:13 PDT 1994 From: "Smith, Brian" Cc: Church Subject: Re: ? > OBChurch: since we were on the subject of album covers recently: who is > the person on the cover of Seance? > Karin ? Whoever she is, she's also in the clip for Fly (IMHO). Brian From tlovell@Glue.umd.edu Wed Aug 31 06:31 PDT 1994 From: Thomas Alan Lovell Subject: Re: album covers dated: Wed, 31 Aug 94 12:28:00 EST > OBChurch: since we were on the subject of album covers recently: who is > the person on the cover of Seance? > and is this the same woman as on the cover of the Persia EP? (same cover as the domestic Remote Luxury LP.) From ctn2d@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu Wed Aug 31 10:01 PDT 1994 31 Aug 94 13:02 EDT From: ctn2d@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu Subject: Re: blade runner, etc. i am in boston now.... good record stores????? chris Sadly, many children are not even born into families today, but are orphaned even before their birth by the choice of their parents who do not want them. This grieves my heart so. Cherish your children and give them the stable environment they deserve. -The Blessed Virgin Mary, March 7, 1987 From cwinters@husc.harvard.edu Wed Aug 31 10:41 PDT 1994 From: Cynthia Winters Sender: Cynthia Winters Reply-To: Cynthia Winters Subject: record stores for Chris, short story for me Chris, try Newbury Comics (in Boston and Cambridge) for new, along with the standards like Tower (also Boston and Cambridge) and HMV in Cambridge (they always have the entire Arista Church line of LP's). For used, you might want to try Second Coming on Mass. Ave. in Cambridge. Often a waste, but every now and then a gem. According to Dick, someone posted a short story by Kilbey titled "The Singer and His Voice." I missed it. Woe is me. As a HUGE fan of Kilbey's lyrics, I would be eternally grateful if someone could post it to me. Merci, -cynthia From anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Wed Aug 31 11:45 PDT 1994 Reply-To: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Organization: Xymox UUCP System, Melbourne Australia From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Re: GROOoooOOVY bands Matt humorises: > I *did* find, however, a band called Casette Head Cleaner. VERY industrial !! > Side 2 is a bit more ambient though. I think this album's a complete rip-off of Brian Eno's "Ambient 4". > The strange thing is, after listening to > this tape, all my other tapes sound sooo much better. Strange, huh ? They > have a video out too !!! Any other members out there have any strange bands > they'd like to mention. Well, DAT Head Cleaner, a Japanese band, are great, if a bit quiet. CD-ROM are also good for those of you into industrial noise thrash punk, though my copy won't play on my newer CD player. > ps please don't anybody take the above seriously ;) "The Above Seriously" is one of the best films I've ever seen.... :-) - Anthony -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au those herbal-tea moments." - Caroline Sullivan of The Guardian reviewing the new "Victoria Amos" album. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From 213170596@UCIS.VILL.EDU Wed Aug 31 12:12 PDT 1994 From: 213170596@UCIS.VILL.EDU (timB) Subject: tab=kooky Whaoh, quite a tongue lashing from a tabbie! Maybe I should keep this in personal mail, but I don't feel like going back now. 1. I fyou wanna learn songs note for note the way they get transcribed in those "idiot books", then maybe you should be playing the Steve Vai crap and NOT the church. 2. Knowing the way the music business works (and believe me, I have pretty good first-hand experience), I doubt that Steve, Marty or any other member of the church ever had anything to do with that book except for saying, "Uh, ok, i guess so...." to their manager who spoke to the book company. That's how they can say "official." Cause they got the band's John Hancocks. 99% of the books I've encountered are done like this, then the get some heavy metal idiot to figure the songs out. 3. Master tapes?!?!?!?! C'mon, this is 1994 and were sending electronic mail all over the fuckin universe. There are ways to seperate certain parts of the mix with only the album. Makes figuring a lot easier. 4. I refuse to add to lyric controversies. 5. Playing from tab is the quickest way to pigeonhole your playing. If you are a guitar novice, then you shouldn't be trying to get every little bit of Peter's solos perfectly exactlly as the are on the album. You've got better, more important things to do. If you wanna learn how someone plays, put your fuckin' guitar away and LISTEN! Analyze the parts in relation to the song and the mood that they create. That's of primary importance. The actual notes are the last thing to go into place. Its called missing the forest while staring at one tree. Clearly this is your loss. 6. I don;t care what ya say, tab is still gay! What a genius rhyme to end with! timB From pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Wed Aug 31 16:31 PDT 1994 From: pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Subject: dreams A few others are sharing their Church dreams, so here's mine. The most common one I have is that I'm in a record store and I find heaps of rare and bootleg Church stuff on albums and CD. The dreams are always very detailed, and I can even remember reading off the song titles, and getting excited that they're something new. Occasionally I will remember some titles the next morning as well. The cover art of my subconscious is pretty cool as well, if I do say so myself. I have had this dream a few times, but the last time, I was actually over at Peter and Marty's house (this must have been before SA if they were living together :) ), and they let me go through their collections, and I find a bunch of rarities and things (again, with distinct titles), and they even let me have some to take home - so generous! Hearing people with Church dreams makes me think of "Dreambeings" from "Earthed", where Steve said something like "...better a flesh-and-blood life of misery than the chancy occupation of the dreambeings" (don't quote me on that). I wonder how Steve would feel to know that he is both? BTW, my sister just got back from Australia (with the loot from my shopping list :) ), and she sent me a picture of one of Marty's Rickenbacker's that is signed and on display in the Sydney Hard Rock Cafe. So if anyone wants to make a pilgrimage to see and bow before it, you know where it is :) -paul From corcr@ruby.ils.unc.edu Wed Aug 31 17:04 PDT 1994 From: Rhonda Corcoran Subject: Re: dreams I had a dream come true last night and decided to share it. Kinda restores my faith in miracles, Santa Claus etc. Anyway, a friend in Seattle who is a big collector knows I like (adore, worship, blah blah blah) the Church. He frequents all the flea markets, thrift stores and esp. Goodwill. He found a copy of Sing Songs at a flea market for the incredible price of....not $1, but 2 items for $1!!! It's disgusting the kinda crap that sells in stores at inflated prices and finds its way onto Top 20 charts, and then a record by the Church is left sitting in a flea market stall selling for less than I used to get for milk money. So comb thru those flea market and thrift store bins. You never know what gems are lurking there. Rhonda From BSmith@VCOMTELC.TELECOM.com.au Wed Aug 31 17:17 PDT 1994 From: "Smith, Brian" Subject: RE: tab=kooky > 1. I fyou wanna learn songs note for note the way they get transcribed in > those "idiot books", then maybe you should be playing the Steve Vai crap > and NOT the church. I wish I could play Steve Vai's "crap", but I'll just have to be content with listening. Learning songs note for note CAN be fun, it's not all about being original etc, creating your own style and studiously avoiding playing what other people have done. When I started learning the only thing I wanted to do was to make a string of notes that sounded good. The fact that I took them straight out of a book didn't matter to me. I still had to play them, and that's what I was trying to learn. I have learned a lot more since and enjoy doing my own stuff now. But I don't regret being able to play some Church songs note for note and I don't regret getting them out of a tab book. > 2. Knowing the way the music business works (and believe me, I have pretty > good first-hand experience), I doubt that Steve, Marty or any other member > of the church ever had anything to do with that book except for saying, "Uh, > ok, i guess so...." to their manager who spoke to the book company. OK, I'll believe that. But regardless of who does the transcribing, it gets transcribed ! It doesn't matter whether a gentle poetic guitarist transcribes it or a thrash metal freak; it'll still turn out the same. And having familiarized myself with the tab and seen the songs played live not six feet away from the Marty himself, I can definitely say it's right. Also, having familiarized myself with the tab and then played it and got it to sound like the album (excuse me for being un-original and not forging my own path in the musical wilderness) I can definitely say its fun and educational. > 3. Master tapes?!?!?!?! C'mon, this is 1994 and were sending electronic mail > all over the fuckin universe. There are ways to seperate certain parts of > the > mix with only the album. Makes figuring a lot easier. OK, I'll take that too. > 4. I refuse to add to lyric controversies. This started with lyric controversies ! I've seen NSEW in concert several times and its definitely "half a gram", just like in the book. > 5. Playing from tab is the quickest way to pigeonhole your playing. If you > are > a guitar novice, then you shouldn't be trying to get every little bit of > Peter's solos perfectly exactlly as the are on the album. You've got better, > more important things to do. If you wanna learn how someone plays, put > your fuckin' guitar away and LISTEN! Analyze the parts in relation to the > song and the mood that they create. That's of primary importance. The > actual notes are the last thing to go into place. Its called missing the > forest while staring at one tree. Clearly this is your loss. I don't think it's a loss. I spent my formative guitar months/years playing along with the albums (all of them !), sometimes following the recorded parts, sometimes harmonizing (got a great one for the middle 8 of Reptile), but mostly just playing my own thing. I used the tab books not to learn the solos, but more to see how the jangly backing tracks were done, such as Disappointment. I'd then turn off the album and just jam for half an hour tab. It also helped me develop a good ear for chords, so I can now work out chords for most songs in just a few minutes (except The Lantern....what a bastard !) I'd recommend getting the tab book, especially for Starfish, to any Church fan who wants to learn how to play. If you don't like tab, then don't use it. Bear in mind though, that it won't destroy you as a guitarist if you see the notes written out for you. Plus (as I said before), you get posters ! Does anyone else own/hate/love the Church tab books ? I can't be the only one who bought them. Brian Smith OB Church thing: I'm still blown away by the fact that Marty recorded In Reflection on a four track. For those who don't have it, the last five tracks on Art Attack are taken from it. The quality of the music is really impressive considering the track bouncing they had to do. Does everyone know the story of how Marty and Andy Mason had to use a rolled up Sydney Morning Herald as a drum because the El-Crapola drum machine they owned didn't have the right rhythm ? Well, now you do. That's one of the Art Attack tracks. And when he recorded How Come They Don't Touch The Ground, he had to use his feet to hit the record button while precariously balanced on a stool because A.D Mason wasn't with him that day. From mosk Wed Aug 31 17:30 PDT 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: re: dreams Interesting stuff about peoples dreams.... I've had two about the Church that I can remember and they were almost identical to Paul's... Very scary, eh Paul?? :-) We must be tuned in to the California SubConscious Mind... In the Church one I was in a record store and found 3 new albums by them, one US release, an obscure Ozzie release and a bootleg. I was delirious.... Then I woke up and realized it was just a dream and I was in a pissy mood the rest of the day.... :-} In the other one I ran into Steve outside my mom's house in FishTown, Norway... Steve was out for his Sunday walk with his twins and I invited him in and we started discussing (hang on..) child-rearing!!!... Man.... Then we decided to go out for dinner and my son and Steve's twins (!) started screaming for hamburgers.... I seem to remember I was pretty sweaty when I woke up.... The coolest r'n'r dream I've had though is when I dreamt that Television was playing at the gym hall of my old school... I met a few friends before Television started playing and got so involved in conversations with them that I didn't even notice the band started playing. As a matter of fact, I missed the whole concert and just realized they were done when people started to pull out. Again I was pretty upset (in the dream) until Tom Verlaine suddenly walks past me and throws a couple of bootleg records of the concert on the floor in front of us.... Pretty neat, huh? :-) And if you subscribe to the theory that the dreamworld is just as real as this one (in fact, maybe _this_ is the dream?) it sure proves that they have good music "on the other side" too... :-) -morten From brenta@microsoft.com Wed Aug 31 18:10 PDT 1994 X-Msmail-Message-Id: EF43464C X-Msmail-Conversation-Id: EF43464C X-Msmail-Wiseremark: These pretzels are making me thirsty From: Brent Aliverti Subject: RE: tab=kooky I have both Church tab book and agree with Brian. As a novice guitar player, I've found them very helpful, both for learning Church tunes, and for learning more chords and getting more fluid on the fretboard. I still think they're too expensive, but I definitely recommend them. ---------- From: "Smith, Brian" Subject: RE: tab=kooky ... Does anyone else own/hate/love the Church tab books ? I can't be the only one who bought them. From matthewk@postoffice.utas.edu.au Wed Aug 31 20:00 PDT 1994 From: "'Matthew Kirkcaldie'" Subject: Seance cover About six years ago, myself and a fellow Church freak came to the conclusion that the person on the cover of Seance is Steve himself, wearing black lipstick etc. I'm not sure, but I think my friend even had evidence from an interview or something. Look for yourself - it's pretty convincing! Matthew. From john.brownosullivan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Wed Aug 31 20:54 PDT 1994 X-Sender: ou005076@brandywine.otago.ac.nz From: john.brownosullivan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (John Brown-O'Sullivan) Subject: climbing out of hell unchanged Now I know what Steve means by that remark... I have at last returned (I know you all missed me immensely) from a tramp on Stewart Island (aka Rakiura, Island of the Glowing Sky, in the native lingo), which for those of you not in the know, is the smallest and southernmost of the three main islands of Noiseyland. God, it was torment. Non-stop rain, on an island with a 'reputation' for mud, turned it into a vast neck-deep swamp. Add to that trees that had fallen over and blocked the track, river crossings where the banks had dropped away, numerous falls (whinge whinge). In the spirit of psychological analysis which is in the listserver these days, I will confess that what crossed my mind most in those desperate hours when I thought I was going to die were the lines 'I want life, I want it now and forever, I wanna rise up and clamber out of this chamber and into the sky' until I got completely sick of them. When I got back to my flat, the first thing I did was to put on a Church album - it was meant to be SA, but at the last moment I put on P=A instead. The next hour confirmed what I had forgotten - good as SA is, it is approx. 1% as good as P=A. P=A is a strange, beautiful, terrifying creation from another world, too good for this place. I had the treble turned up, and I focused on JDD's drumming - god it is epic; the best in the world, ever. On songs like 'Mistress' it is the tune. The departure of JDD was a black day for the Church... Enough wittering. A few points: 1. Muchos gracias to Paul for the Sing Song lyrics. Now all I need is a copy of the album! 2. a shameless plug for the Bats... their new ep, 'Full of Beans' is out soon. The Bats are NZ's equivalent of the Church - as it was. Lots of intermingling guitar, very melodic. Robert Scott has a very flat voice, but his lyrics are very cool. Ignored in their own country, they are becoming quite popular in the States... 3. Big disappointment - I was expecting Anthony's transcript to be ready and waiting! 4. About Magnus' article - how popular are the Church in Sweden? ie, do they get played quite a bit on commercial radio? I would say that the Church are now more Swedish than Australian, if you count people like Martin Rossel to some extent. 5. Does anyone know anything about Andy Dare Mason's sojourn as producer? He was in the RS interview, but I feel that his being there may not have turned out too well, as: a) no mention of him in interviews etc b) he didn't play any instruments - strikes me as very odd, as he played heaps on Marty's albums c) the Church then went and recorded some songs in Sweden with MR. 6. Last of all - I used to loathe 'My Little Problem' but I now love it, mainly on account of its ever-changing choruses! Much better than '2PAO' 7. Oh yes - Bill, how many unreleased tracks are left over from the SA/SE session? I would guess at least five. What's going to happen to them? John