From matthew.blair@afrc.ac.uk Wed Jun 1 01:15 PDT 1994 Content-Identifier: 11860A4C1E00 From: BLAIRM Subject: the church Sensitivity: Company-Confidential I've just heard about the church mailing list, and I'd like to subscribe if possible. Thanks, Matt. e-mail address Matthew.Blair@afrc.ac.uk From jtehran@husc.harvard.edu Wed Jun 1 03:14 PDT 1994 From: jtehran@husc.harvard.edu Subject: commerciality of SA I agree that SA will be a commercial flop... I simply can't see this album selling many copies... and, that has nothing to do with the quality of music on it.... it just lacks any charged singles, it doesn't really seem to be a music style that would appeal to any particular niche in the market, etc.etc... futhermore, I realy can't see anyone getting into the church via this album... I think that the peope buying this album are long tim church fans.... and, thepeople showing up to the concerts know the church either as long time fans or "oh yeah, that's the group that did Under the Milky way" types... I've talked to a few DJs at the local alternative station down here... one of them is a huge Church (he's seen the church live 7 different times.....) anyway, he commented that "Two place at once" was alright, but too slow.. and, overall, he thought that the album had a good sound to it, but that it was basically "a real snooozer".... incidentally, he commented that each time he's seen the Church live, they seem to get worse and worse... he said that they just don't seem to b eplaying together and that the sound has been terrible and that they're just realy off.... of course, many of these problems could be fixed with the acoustic shows they've been doing laterly.. also, he commented that Marty cahnged guitars after every sngle song, showing off his impressive collection of Rickenbackers, etc.etc... so, i guess he realy does like to show off.... anyway, the other DJ I talked to said pretty much the same thing.... out of curiosity, anyone know if the album cracked the top 100 or even top 200 albums in its first week of release? if so, where did it land? anyway, I could be totally off about the above analysis...... after all, Bill of Arista did claim that 1,000 people showed up to the washington d.c. show.... John From ctn2d@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu Wed Jun 1 05:51 PDT 1994 1 Jun 94 8:51 EDT From: ctn2d@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu Subject: Re: commerciality of SA not to crack bill's 1,000 people (which i am sure there were, or close to it) but the majority of them seemed to be hfs'er yuppies out for a punk rock event in the park. as MWP said "going back to the flourescent lighting in rooms with windows that don't open....yo're supposed to rebel against that...oh well" chris Sadly, many children are not even born into families today, but are orphaned even before their birth by the choice of their parents who do not want them. This grieves my heart so. Cherish your children and give them the stable environment they deserve. -The Blessed Virgin Mary, March 7, 1987 From mrgreen@mame.mu.OZ.AU Wed Jun 1 06:20 PDT 1994 Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Subject: Re: some SA+SE lyrics (first pass) <2872.769889510@PROBACTO.SOAR.CS.CMU.EDU> From: matthew green >comments/alternative guesses welcome. ok. one alternative, and one possible thing that i doubt is really right. incidentally, day of the dead is the best song on this album i have so far discovered. of course, i've only heard it about 5 times so far, so there is a lot i am yet to discover (ask me in 2 or 3 years...) >-----------------BEGIN INCLUDED MESSAGE---------------- >DAY OF THE DEAD 6:46 > >day of the dead down in mexico >you ever been on a holiday? >you ever felt that you been here before? >you ever been in a desperate way? > >on the beach stands a donkey who is waiting for you >he hee-haws standin' his hoof stampin' >a fine, blue day as dreamed by the boys >nodding up on the roof [ ... ] >we walk mixed up through the marketplace >dripping smoke, dollars and aftershave >i got the mind of last remain `.. lust remain' maybe? i doubt it. >emerging from the trail of scathes >climbing out of hell in chains From Vernon_Harmon@PROBACTO.SOAR.CS.CMU.EDU Wed Jun 1 07:46 PDT 1994 1 Jun 94 10:46:50 EDT Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Subject: Re: some SA+SE lyrics (first pass) <199406011320.XAA03103@circlip.mame.mu.OZ.AU> From: Vernon_Harmon@PROBACTO.SOAR.CS.CMU.EDU >>he hee-haws standin' his hoof >stampin' yes. Definitely. good job. :) Here are the lines that I want to know what they *really* are: >drink in a bar down in Leap Motel >great lumps are melting wrapped up in satin >jokers and aces, bruisy and blackfern Also: >we walk mixed up through the marketplace sounds like it might be: >we walk big stuff through the marketplace and >climbing out of hell in chains sounds more like >climbing out of hell on a chain now that I listen to it again. --Vernon. From rfd@buclaa.bu.edu Wed Jun 1 07:56 PDT 1994 From: rfd@buclaa.bu.edu (Richard F. Delano) Subject: Boston review Before I do the review, here's info picked off the Radio Concerts Digest: > Finally, Andy reports that KFOG 104.5 in San Francisco will broadcast > a live-in-the-studio session by The Church, 8PM on Sunday, June 5th. SF'ers have those tape players rolling! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ THE CHURCH at Local 186, Boston May 27th What was announced as a radio show only turned out to be false. There were two lies: one for guest list, one for ticket purchasers. At about 9:40 SK and MWP take the stage. Both are equipped with 12-string acoustics. For some reason I expected Steve to be playing an acoustic bass. Talk about two different styles of guitar playing! Steve chops away at the chords while Marty is all over the place (but in a good way). Steve introduces them as "We're what's left of The Church" The first song played was unknown to these ears. It was a good song that had Steve singing the first few verses, then Marty the next few. It was probably a newer song as it seemed to feel like it would fit onto SA. "Hotel Womb" was next and featured Marty's first adventure. He decided the song needed a lightning fast solo and proceeded to play one. Great version. "Shadow Cabinet" was perfect. I was surprised at how good it sounded even without Peter. "My Little Problem" was played in a much abbreviated form. This may be my favourite of the new one's. I wouldn't have minded 7 minutes of it. "Will I Start To Bleed" was introduced by Marty as "Now I get to sing the quitest song of the night" and featured a nice vocal. Probably not a crowd pleaser though. "Mistress" featured Marty's next adventure. Apparently he was a little too into it and forgot to go to the chorus the second time around. Steve gave the crowd a little look as if to say "can you believe this guy?" After Marty stopped playing, both he and Steve started the chorus acapella. It sounded really nice. "A Month of Sundays" was pretty standard. Good version. "Providence" was a treat. A great song that I never expected to hear live. "Two Places at Once" seemed to be going smoothly until Marty once again forgot to go to the chorus at the right time. They aborted the song when Steve said "I've had enough of that one anyway" despite Marty trying to get him to start the chorus. Steve said "I can picture some guy at the office in New York saying 'What? They stopped playing the new single in Boston?!?'" "Lost" and "10,000 Miles" were next and both were strong versions. To close the set and to appease the unconverted, "Under the Milky Way" was played and seemed to be a slower version. They returned for a two song encore: "Myrrh" which was a really nice surprise and a great version to boot. Actually it would have been nice to boot the whole show ;) The last song sounded somewhat familiar, but I haven't been able to place it as of yet. I've searched all Church, solo, Jack Frost, Hex and anything else related to the band that I own, but still no luck. I remember a lyric near the end was something like "She loves me till this day". That's it. Phew! Longer than I thought. Rich Boston Univ. From mosk Wed Jun 1 08:09 PDT 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: San Francisco Radio Show This is mostly for you people in the SF Bay Area.... I have heard 2 announcements re: the KFOG concert this morning. There definetely will be a live broadcast this Sunday Night at 8:00pm. According to the announcements, tickets have not been given away yet. They will be inviting 20 listeners to sit in on the show... "Keep listening throughout the week for details on how to win tickets..." Yeah, right... They're going to milk it for a week... :-) It was nice though to hear snippets of Metropolis and 2 Places At Once played in the background... And the last announcement was followed by...Hey, a Tom Petty tune.... Brilliant! :-) -m From pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Wed Jun 1 08:59 PDT 1994 From: pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Subject: lawsuit! I think we definately have a lawsuit on our hands! I was watching MTV the other day (I was only looking for the Church video, I swear), when I saw a video by Janet Jackson called "Any Time, Any Place". This obvious rip-off of "Sometime Anywhere" could not be the result of pure coincidence. Obviously Ms. Jackson is jealous of the incredible commercial success of The Church, and would stoop to blatant plagarism in order to cash in on their worldwide fame! Please Janet, I'm sure there is some small percentage of the music audience that would buy your albums without you having to copy the chart-busting phenomenon called The Church! Are you with me?! Bill, if Arista wants to go ahead with a lawsuit, I know this guy in law school who works cheap... THE CHURCH FOREVER! JANET NEVER! -paul From JBatsMail@aol.com Wed Jun 1 09:37 PDT 1994 From: JBatsMail@aol.com Sender: "JBatsMail" Subject: memphis show I've been reading everyone else's album reviews and show reviews and i figured i should chime in since i was fortunate enough to see Marty & Steve and meet them (albeit briefly). Here are the songs they played that I recognized: Hotel Womb, Shadow Cabinet, Providence, Will I Start To Bleed?, 10,000 Miles, Milky Way, Myrrh, Tristesse, and a song I failed to recognize. Both Steve & Marty looked worn and a bit older in person. However, Marty seemed to have a neverending energy and was constantly in a good mood. Steve was aloof and obviously not pleased to be doing anything of this sort. He showed a bit of a sense of humor when he replaced "lower the curtain down on Memphis" in Under the Milky Way with "lower the curtain down on Nashville". On the surface this really doesn't sound all that humorous, but Memphis and Nashville have this stupid little southern rivalry that could only happen in a state like Tennessee. I spoke briefly with them afterwards, but as they were not in the best of spirits and i was awfully nervous, I simply thanked them for their music & performance. They seemed appreciative, even though i knew they had heard it all before. If you get the chance, go see them in this line-up because it was mesmerizing, despite the obnoxious and unappreciative memphis crowd. There were only a few hard core fans there and the rest were there to be "cool" and wouldn't shut the hell up. i was almost driven to hit someone during tristesse. paul From n9282183@fozzie.cc.wwu.edu Wed Jun 1 11:20 PDT 1994 From: "Nicole B. Hall" Sender: "Nicole B. Hall" Reply-To: "Nicole B. Hall" Subject: some news Welp, I have some _potentially_ bad news for those of us in the states. One of my penpals went to one of the shows (in South Carolina or near there, I think), and he managed to meet Steve and Marty and talk to them for quite a while! They signed a bunch of stuff he had brought (and Marty crossed out Peter and Richard on one of the covers), and he said they were both in a great mood. But he also said that Steve said that if they tour in August or whenever that they won't be coming to the states. I don't know, but it did come from the horses mouth so to speak...anyone else have any other (perhaps more encouraging) info? Bill? Of course Steve did also say in 1992 that P=A would be the last Church album... nicole From 213170596@UCIS.VILL.EDU Wed Jun 1 13:10 PDT 1994 From: 213170596@UCIS.VILL.EDU (timB) Subject: random observations here's a few random thoughts it just felt like posting cause i'm bored. * well, the church definitely doesn't like to "leave 'em begging for more". over 100 minutes of Church and i'm ready to pop on the new Frank Black. * in the "group" photo on the inside of SA, Steve is a dead ringer for Don Henley, and in the individual photo, he looks alot like a young Robyn Hitchcock. Strange. * also, as for photos, is Marty wearing lipstick? Mmmmm, that's too bad. * if the Church ever DID get real famous, I'd bet the house on Steve taking the Kurt Cobain way out. not because he has the same problems as Kurt, but the same jaded sensibilities. * in 1988, i passed up a chance to see the Church for free, 5 minutes from my house and instead, went to Ocean City, Md. to go surfing after a hurricane in the hopes of huge waves. I got to O.C., the waves sucked, my friend's car broke down on the way back, and i got a horrible sunburn. Every time i think of this I cringe and think how i could've been so stupid for 24 hours straight. * if i hear one more person say, " oh yeah, the Church are cool. Reptile has such an awesome intro!" i'll smack someone. i hate it when people trivialize the existence of a band into one gizillionth of the whole picture. * A vote of confidence: THIS LIST KICKS! laterz timB p.s. weird coincidence???: i used to have long hair and i cut it last thursday. when i hopped in and started the car to go home, the first strains of Pavement's "Cut Your Hair" were oooh ooooh ooohing on the radio. very strange indeed. From gsa@panix.com Wed Jun 1 17:04 PDT 1994 From: Gary Assa Subject: Re: commerciality of SA Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM The Church's guitars were stolen right after their starfish tour ended. I saw them 9 times during that tour alone. Some shows were tight, some were loose. I did not witness them getting worse and worse as they went on. HOWEVER, it must be stated, that I have to agree, the last 2 (maybe even 3) albums are don't have anything that really kicks ass in concert. Sure, you can play chaos in concert with lots of screaming feedback, but I think the ultimate convert song is something like Tantalized. Loud ringing rythmic guitars. That's what I like and want to hear, not the 30 minute version of You Took. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- * The first thing we do let's kill all the lawyers _Shakespeare * ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From BSmith@VCOMTELC.TELECOM.com.au Wed Jun 1 23:48 PDT 1994 From: "Smith, Brian" Subject: Unsubstantiated Hi all, I was just having a squiz around the CD Connection (telnet cdconnection.com), an on-line database with the whole Church catalog (and 79,990 other CDs) and in a fit of inspiration, did a search for Tequila Sunrise CAP91185 +SOUNDTRACK TEQUILA SUNRISE 5.5/2 $10.72 CAPITOL 12/8 There it is ! At least the Americans on this list can get it cheaply; we foreigners have to pay $9 extra in shipping. Although, since it's $9 for the first 3 CDs, it's probably worth finding three CDs (or more) on there that you can't find elsewhere and ordering them together. They take Visa and Mastercard too. And no, I don't work for them. Brian Smith From matthew.blair@afrc.ac.uk Thu Jun 2 02:02 PDT 1994 Content-Identifier: 1186127A1C00 From: BLAIRM Subject: testing Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Just testing to see if this message is sent. I sent one yesterday which did not arrive. Matt Blair. From matthew.blair@afrc.ac.uk Thu Jun 2 03:09 PDT 1994 Content-Identifier: 118612C80500 From: BLAIRM Subject: introduction Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Hi, thanks for adding me to the mailing list. I got the address from Paul Webb in the States (at least that's where I think he is). Thanks anyway, Paul! I've not got much to say at the moment, but once I've had a chance to think, I'm sure I'll write much more ('aaahhhh please no!' you'll all be wishing soon) My name is Matthew Blair (Matt), I'm 24, I live a few miles outside Edinburgh, Scotland, and I'm the only Church fan I know in the area. It's nice to know there are other fans out there !! My favourite Church LP ? God I've never really thought of it. Give me time. I'm also into as much solo and related stuff as I can find. There's not much in the way of Church records here. I've got HEX, Jack Frost, and a few solo LP's too. I was also into ALL ABOUT EVE, long before Marty joined, but having him join was a bonus, even if they are now defunct. Well, got to go home now. I taped the new LP to listen to in my car,( now I'm cruising down that shuddering highway..) so guess what I'll be singing along with on the way home. The CD was on IMPORT (I don't know when, or if, it will be released in the UK) and came with a bonus CD, giving a total of 20 songs adding up to over 100 mins of music. Does anyone know if either GOLD AFTERNOON FIX, or the new one, are available on vinyl ? I'm a vinyl junkie I'm afraid. Well got to go now...... Matt. Matthew.Blair@afrc.ac.uk PS I tried, with no success, to send this message earlier, so apologies if it DID arrive and there's a double. From rfd@buclaa.bu.edu Thu Jun 2 07:04 PDT 1994 From: rfd@buclaa.bu.edu (Richard F. Delano) Subject: SA on vinyl Matt wrote: >Does anyone know if either GOLD AFTERNOON FIX, or the new one, are available on >vinyl? This reminded me about seeing the SA on vinyl. When I bought my CD I noticed that Tower Records in Boston also had a vinyl version available. Has anyone else seen it? It was a two-LP set, but I don't know if it included the bonus disc tracks. I know there was nothing different on it, but I thought it might be a neat little collector's item. Rich Boston Univ. From rcr@u.washington.edu Thu Jun 2 08:02 PDT 1994 Thu, 2 Jun 94 08:02:55 -0700 From: Rhonda Corcoran Subject: Seattle Show 6/7/94 I just talked with a dj at the END. The tickets for the June 7th's Seattle show will not be given away via a radio give away. They are being made available at the venue itself (the Sit & Spin) on the evening of the performance. It's a first come first served situation. I am soooooo happy because I never win things off the radio. Now, I wonder how early is too early to park myself at the door of the Sit-n-Spin, which by the way sounds strangely like a laundromat. :) Rhonda From brenta@microsoft.com Thu Jun 2 08:48 PDT 1994 X-Msmail-Message-Id: D6985E22 X-Msmail-Conversation-Id: D6985E22 X-Msmail-Wiseremark: These pretzels are making me thirsty From: Brent Aliverti Subject: RE: Seattle Show 6/7/94 yep....it's a combination laundromat/eatery. Looks pretty funky from the outside, but I haven't been in yet. ---------- From: Rhonda Corcoran . . . I am soooooo happy because I never win things off the radio. Now, I wonder how early is too early to park myself at the door of the Sit-n-Spin, which by the way sounds strangely like a laundromat. :) Rhonda From brenta@microsoft.com Thu Jun 2 08:48 PDT 1994 X-Msmail-Message-Id: D6985E22 X-Msmail-Conversation-Id: D6985E22 X-Msmail-Wiseremark: These pretzels are making me thirsty From: Brent Aliverti Subject: RE: Seattle Show 6/7/94 yep....it's a combination laundromat/eatery. Looks pretty funky from the outside, but I haven't been in yet. ---------- From: Rhonda Corcoran . . . I am soooooo happy because I never win things off the radio. Now, I wonder how early is too early to park myself at the door of the Sit-n-Spin, which by the way sounds strangely like a laundromat. :) Rhonda From kallista@netcom.com Thu Jun 2 11:27 PDT 1994 From: kallista@netcom.com (Christopher Barrus) Subject: GAF on vinyl Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > From: BLAIRM > Subject: introduction > Does anyone know if either GOLD AFTERNOON FIX, or the new one, are available on > vinyl ? I'm a vinyl junkie I'm afraid. GAF has been released on vinyl. I routinely see it in the used record bins on my shopping rounds. Haven't seen SA on vinyl - it might be too long without going to a double album. ========================================================================== Chris Barrus - kallista@netcom.com | "Route 66 is a giant chute down which | everything loose in this country is '72 Riviera - Peace through | sliding into Southern California." superior automotive power! | - Frank Lloyd Wright ========================================================================== From pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Thu Jun 2 11:52 PDT 1994 From: pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Subject: Vernon's lyrics Cc: pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Vernon, great job with the lyrics! As promised :-) here are some suggestions: DAY OF THE DEAD >you ever felt that youu been here before you ever thought that you been here before >i got the mind of last remain >emerging from the trail of scathes >climbing out of hell in chains i got the mind of an astronaut emerging from the shell unscathed climbing out of hell unchanged >you know you're falling behind I know you're falling behind LOST MY TOUCH >now i'm on the prowl now i'm out of power >if you get cold you're too old you been told your feet get cold........ >[] is tough stuff fair enough, it's tough stuff LOVEBLIND >i wondered then what kind of place >would make a man whose face.... i wondered then what kind of place would make a man lose face >who would he love, where would he go >places faces where he'd know who would he love, where would he go places faceless men would know >but that woman wouldn't hear me but that woman just wouldn't hear >in the mirror in my space, ther was a man who had no face in the mirror in my space, there was a man without a face LULLABY >we share another message of your newborn son we share and bear the message of your newborn son TWO PLACES AT ONCE >arrive in a high city arrive in a hive city >elliptic shells are faded in the valley limpet shells are fading in the valley BUSINESS WOMAN >promise her anything, only gift >you're going to have to leave your wife promise her anything only if you're going to have to leave your wife AUTHORITY >i try my best without trans-blessed i try my best without transgressed >life is a tangle, the one that you angle >is the tangle of life lips life is a tangle, the one that triangles the tangle of life lips (I don't think that "life lips" is right, but I couldn't come up with anything better either :) FLY HOME >oh, the empty arms to take you in only empty arms to take you in THE DEAD MANS DREAM >crystal scones and screaming guns >women glowed tattooed with woad crystal skulls and screaming gulls women glowed tattooed with woe >relation transubstantiation creation transubstantiation >tunes and runes, we laughed till noon )again, I don't think this is right, but I don't have anything better) hope these help -paul From balst9+@pitt.edu Thu Jun 2 14:43 PDT 1994 From: Bradley A Lewis Sender: Bradley A Lewis Reply-To: Bradley A Lewis Subject: Re: introduction Cc: Receipt Notification Requested On Thu, 2 Jun 1994, BLAIRM wrote: > Does anyone know if either GOLD AFTERNOON FIX, or the new one, are available on > vinyl ? I'm a vinyl junkie I'm afraid. Howdy, Matt- welcome to the list!! I know that SA is on vinyl- being a vinyl junkie myself, I've not only seen the album, but hopefully will have that large discs in my hand and under my needle tomorrow. The price here in the states is something like eleven dollars, I think. There is something about a two sided disc that makes the music better.<8-) I suppose that that means there probably is vinyl for GAF- checking the discography I found: LP Mushroom Records TVL93321 (Australia) LP Arista ARL-8579 (USA, Canada) CD Arista ARCD-8579 (USA, Canada) CD Arista 260541 (UK) CD BMG Ariola 260541 (Germany) CD Arista BVCA-3 (Japan) It shouldn't be too hard to find-Good Luck! --Brad From gsa@panix.com Thu Jun 2 18:06 PDT 1994 From: Gary Assa Subject: i think message was lost in the void The Church's guitars were stolen right after their starfish tour ended. I saw them 9 times during that tour alone. Some shows were tight, some were loose. I did not witness them getting worse and worse as they went on. HOWEVER, it must be stated, that I have to agree, the last 2 (maybe even 3) albums are don't have anything that really kicks ass in concert. Sure, you can play chaos in concert with lots of screaming feedback, but I think the ultimate convert song is something like Tantalized. Loud ringing rythmic guitars. That's what I like and want to hear, not the 30 minute version of You Took. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- * The first thing we do let's kill all the lawyers _Shakespeare * ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From FURSTD@BoysTown.ORG Fri Jun 3 00:40 PDT 1994 From: FURSTD@BoysTown.ORG (DAVID FURST) Subject: Membership/sign-up info I heard about your forum to chat about the church. Please tell me how I can become a part. Thanks, Dave Furst From mrgreen@mame.mu.OZ.AU Fri Jun 3 08:29 PDT 1994 Subject: Re: steve and margot tour <199405041626.JAA13479@si.UCSC.EDU> From: matthew green this starfish and gold afternoon fix books are both great. >About guitar tabs, as far as the ftp site goes, UTMW is the only song >in there, but there are published guitar tab books for both Starfish >and Gold Afternoon Fix, both put out by Cherry Lane, which may be of >more use. Does anyone know of any earlier ones? I doubt they exist, but >you never know. >-paul From 213170596@UCIS.VILL.EDU Fri Jun 3 13:08 PDT 1994 From: 213170596@UCIS.VILL.EDU (timB) Subject: guitars anybody know what kinda guitars Marty is using now. is it still Ricks? and what's the brand of the 12-str. on the back of Hindsight? looks like the headstock of a Fender 12 but that sure ain't the Fender logo. sounds like on some of the new tunes (My Lil' Problem) that Marty has returned to the old Rick 12 string sound that kinda pervades Starfish. Hmmm. and what about those tab books? most of the parts of Starfish and GAF are pretty easy to figure out but I'm still pretty curious to see if I've missed something. kinda like checking your homework against the answer sheet. really, how detailed are they? do they transcribe ALL the parts or just the major ones? are they worth seeking out and sitting for an hour in the music store trying to memorize progressions while pissing the jerks that work there off? god knows I'd never buy one, they're like 20 bucks!!! (duh) timB From kallista@netcom.com Fri Jun 3 23:59 PDT 1994 From: kallista@netcom.com (Chris Barrus) Subject: RE: guitars >Date: Fri, 3 Jun 1994 16:08 EST >From: 213170596@UCIS.VILL.EDU (timB) >Subject: guitars >and what's the brand of the 12-str. on the back of Hindsight? looks like >the headstock of a Fender 12 but that sure ain't the Fender logo. It's a Shergold (from looking at the headstock). Basic generic 12-string. All the Fender 12-string electrics (with the exception of the Strat 12) have the "hockey-stick" headstock which droops to one side. >Hmmm. and what about those tab books? most of the parts of Starfish and GAF >are pretty easy to figure out but I'm still pretty curious to see if I've >missed something. kinda like checking your homework against the answer >sheet. really, how detailed are they? do they transcribe ALL the parts or >just the major ones? are they worth seeking out and sitting for an hour in I have both the Starfish and GAF tab books. They transcribe *ALL* the tab. Quite useful actually, especially for detailing out all the interplay between MWP and PK. Didn't spend $20 on them though - I found them both used for $10 apiece. -Chris ========================================================================== Chris Barrus - kallista@netcom.com | "Route 66 is a giant chute down which | everything loose in this country is '72 Riviera - Peace through | sliding into Southern California." superior automotive power! | - Frank Lloyd Wright ========================================================================== From kallista@netcom.com Sat Jun 4 01:13 PDT 1994 From: kallista@netcom.com (Chris Barrus) Subject: My take on SA/SE From reading the reactions of everyone so far, I would sure hate to be a member of The Church. Think about it - if Steve and Marty put out an album similar to Starfish we'd be criticizing them for playing on autopilot and mortgaging their artistic integrity. Yet at the same time, if Steve and Marty took a chance to experiment around and breathe some new life into The Church we'd be at their throats screaming fraud. At least one person claimed that SA/SE "wasn't a Church album." So you're basically stuck, dammed by "fans" who pore over their CDs second-by-second looking for the slightest fault. So far, SA/SE isn't my favorite Church album (I cannot say what the "best" Church album is), but I love SA/SE for what it is - a big sprawling mess of an album which has some hits and misses, but is unlike any album I've heard this year. Of the experimental tracks the only ones that really don't do it for me are "Macabre Tavern", and possibly "Eastern" for it's kitschiness. "Angelica" is kinda interesting - I would love to see that song played live, it could be a full-tilt guitar noisefest. My least favorite song of the album is "Business Woman." A basic no-brainer song with banal lyrics that falls into the "generic-Church song" category. Interestingly enough, the current issue of Raygun has a one-page interview with Steve and Marty - they talk about the album and mention that "Business Woman" was their least favorite song and wanted it off of the album completely. According to them, Arista forced it on at the last minute. "My Little Problem" is one of the most beautiful songs I've heard in awhile and is easily one of my favorite Church songs period. "Two Places At Once", "Day Of The Dead", and "Authority" are also standouts for me. I cannot overstate how important it is to pick up the extra disc, SE by itself I like more than some of the earlier albums. Needless to say, SA/SE hasn't left my CD player since I bought it. It's different enough that I'll probably listen to it more over something like _Starfish_ or GAF. By the way, I >really< want to see them tour for this album. I would kill to see some of these songs done live, and not acoustically either. If one more band does an "Unplugged" album or tour I'm going to vomit with great gusto. -Chris P.S. I should paraphrase this by saying that my two favorite Church albums by far are Heyday and P=A. I truly like "Chaos" a lot and sing along to the chorus of "The Disillusionist" - but only when no one else is listening. ========================================================================== Chris Barrus - kallista@netcom.com | "Route 66 is a giant chute down which | everything loose in this country is '72 Riviera - Peace through | sliding into Southern California." superior automotive power! | - Frank Lloyd Wright ========================================================================== From mrgreen@mame.mu.OZ.AU Sat Jun 4 03:14 PDT 1994 Subject: Re: My take on SA/SE <199406040813.BAA14137@netcom.netcom.com> From: matthew green [ ... ] i think i love this album. how do i explain it. at first, nothing except day of the dead jumped out at me. not even `two places at once' seemed to do anything for me, even though most people on here had raved a bit about it. it was sorta disappointing, but i was almost certain that something would happen. so i continued to play this album - it is so easy to listen to - and slowly songs here and there grabbed my attention. i do not know their names (yet), as it isn't something i really care about. i do know that `day of the dead', and `authority' are the songs that i currently notice the most. i have played only one other cd since tuesday (5 days ago), and i have a second different cd on now (i played clouds' [hush morten ;-] `penny century', and i've just put on `priest=aura'). i'm only not playing sometime anywhere now because it is in my cd player in my bedroom, not the one downstairs ;-) >Of the experimental tracks the only ones that really don't do it for me are >"Macabre Tavern", and possibly "Eastern" for it's kitschiness. "Angelica" dunno macabre tavern yet, but eastern is something i've decided is `classical music meets the far east'. >is kinda interesting - I would love to see that song played live, it could >be a full-tilt guitar noisefest. My least favorite song of the album is i love the way this song is sung. >"Business Woman." A basic no-brainer song with banal lyrics that falls >into the "generic-Church song" category. Interestingly enough, the current >issue of Raygun has a one-page interview with Steve and Marty - they talk >about the album and mention that "Business Woman" was their least favorite >song and wanted it off of the album completely. According to them, Arista >forced it on at the last minute. don't know it off hand >"My Little Problem" is one of the most beautiful songs I've heard in awhile >and is easily one of my favorite Church songs period. "Two Places At beautiful. >Once", "Day Of The Dead", and "Authority" are also standouts for me. I >cannot overstate how important it is to pick up the extra disc, SE by >itself I like more than some of the earlier albums. so far somewhere else hasn't been able to grab my attention. i can't really say why yet. >Needless to say, SA/SE hasn't left my CD player since I bought it. It's >different enough that I'll probably listen to it more over something like >_Starfish_ or GAF. i can't really say i play one album more than another, except maybe starfish - it was my ``favourite'' album for over a year, but since then -all- the albums have been played utterly to death, and still continue in this (wonderful) fashion (except when i'm playing clouds ;-) >P.S. I should paraphrase this by saying that my two favorite Church albums >by far are Heyday and P=A. I truly like "Chaos" a lot and sing along to >the chorus of "The Disillusionist" - but only when no one else is >listening. -excellent- .. i adore choas and the disillusionist. .mrg. "babbling." From U23500@UICVM.UIC.EDU Sun Jun 5 21:00 PDT 1994 From: Mephisto in Onyx Subject: SASE Lyrics Howdy, y'alls...I am new to the list...couldn't really tell you what my fave church song is, i love most all of them...fave album is prolly p=a right now, although SASE is catching up quick... Someone had posted lyrics to the songs on SASE; unfortunately i joined too late to receive all of that...all i got were someone else's corrections... could you (any of you, i'm not being specific) repost lyrics...? also... is there a FAQ for the list? and... is the church touring the US for SASE? if so, when and where please... Thanks a lot! raj | I went through the mail. It was junk mail mostly, and a freebie pen. It | | drifted loose in front of my face; anti-grav, the first I'd seen. It seems | | like the biggest innovations announce themselves in the tackiest ways. You | | expect a paradigm shift, and then a pen or comb arrives with a salesman's | | number on it. It's never a very good pen, either. -- Johnathan Lethem | From BSmith@VCOMTELC.TELECOM.com.au Sun Jun 5 22:15 PDT 1994 From: "Smith, Brian" Subject: RE: new church cd Hi All Before I start my question, I'd just like to say I'm of the Rabid Fans. I've got it all (two of some things), and will continue to buy anything they do because I'm obsessed ! Sometime Anywhere just came out this morning in Oz. I'm on track six at the moment on my first listen so far.....I'm glad people have said it grows on the listener, 'cos it's got some catching up to do ! (Angelica is getting cooler by the second; at least its different from the first five Huge Guitar Events. I've got nothing against them, in fact as a guitarist I really enjoy playing them, but five long ones in a row is a little too much to listen to...at least for the moment. Maybe they'll grow on me :). My question is aimed at Bill, since he's the one with the finger on the Corporate Pulse. How is the new album charting ? Sales ? Market Penetration ? Etc ? A full review (Old news to "y'all", but please indulge we poor individuals who are at the mercy of Australian distributors !) coming soon. Oh, I also bought the Earth Music four track single (some Environmental Good Cause: should actually read "Feeble Excuse To Use Cardboard Packaging Which Falls Apart On Third Opening".) Brian PS (I'm up to "Eastern" now. This track REALLY reminds me of "Musk", the second track of the Milky Way B-Side. Anyone agree ?) From BSmith@VCOMTELC.TELECOM.com.au Mon Jun 6 00:51 PDT 1994 From: "Smith, Brian" Subject: Earth Music Hi people, As some of you may know, The Church contributed a track to a collection called Earth Music. I'm listening to it now, and it sounds like it would fit into SA pretty comfortably. Interesting thing is that it's a cover song ! This is only the second cover they've put down on vinyl/CD (the first was I Am A Rock on Sing Songs.) The song was written by Brian Nichols, originally performed by the Radiators. I'm not familiar with the original, but the Church version sounds very Church, if you know what I mean. Steve singing the lyrics in a normal sort of Kilbey way, while the tumultous background weaves and twists so you can't get your ears onto a particular melody...buts its still there ! The only bad thing here is that the IDIOTS who put the packaging together have screwed up the spelling of two Important Names. Martin R:ossell (Marty's pal and co-producer on some SA tracks) has been credited as Martin Russell, while (*sob*) Marty Willson-Piper has lost an 'l' in his "Wilson". This is, quite frankly, pathetic and insulting. How do these Environmental wankers expect to establish a good relationship with artists if they don't even spell their names right ! If I had a dime for every time I saw "Steve Kilby", I'd have...erm..about a dollar ! Brian From mosk Mon Jun 6 05:22 PDT 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: San Francisco Radio-Concert Review The tickets for this show were given away through the usual dial-in frenzy that radiostations make us fans go through, and needless to say, I did not get tickets to the concert (did anyone on the list?) They only gave away 20 pairs of tickets, so considering the millions of people that live in this area, the chances were pretty slim... However, I will refrain from complaining since the concert was transmitted over the airwaves.... After the usual introduction, Steve and Marty (both on 12 string acoustic guitars) started out with some familiar chords... "Is it...?? Are they really...??? Yes, goddamn it, they are!!!!" I reach for a treasured cd in my collection... "Damn,these guys have class..." The opening song is called "Ritz", originally done by the British band Cockney Rebel on their brilliant '74 release "Psychomodo". And what a version! Steve starts out singing, then Marty takes over and they trade back and forth throughout the song. They both sing it perfectly, as if the song was written for them. Very, very good... I hope they release this song as a b-side or something.... (And Rich, from your description, this is also the song they opened with in Boston>) Next up is "Hotel Womb". They did a good version, although to my ears, this is definetely an "electric" tune. After a stupid remark by the host ("they have nice looking, tuned guitars and are ready for the third song...") Our Boys delivers a superb version of "Shadow Cabinet". There's something magic about this version, although I can't put my finger on exactly what. It's just one of those stellar moments.... On "Providence" Marty becomes plugged and delivers some of his trademark "close-to-feedback" guitar. Very nice.... Marty takes the lead vocals for a beautiful rendition of "Will I Start To Bleed". I'm impressed that Steve follows Marty as well as he does on guitar. Nice interplay... The only track off the new album, "My Little Problem" follows next. This song is of course made for an acoustic rendition. Sounds like Marty plays mandolin on this one. It's nice to hear it without the album's forever repeating chords, although Steve plays almost the exact same thing on his acoustic. But it's a great version of a great song (!) "Mistress". Basically P=A version minus the electricity. Not bad, but nothing special either... According to the announcer, we are now in the "encore set" Marty does his "10,000 Miles". Again, an adequate version but nothing spectacular. It sounds like Steve has some problems keeping up with Marty.... "Tristesse" is delivered with some nice guitar playing by Marty, while Steve mostly chops. This songs needs some more voices in the background (like the Heyday version has) IMO. The set is finished with (surprise) "Under The Milky Way". Since this is mostly acoustic anyway, the rendition's pretty standard. I would have loved to hear a harmonica where the solo is, instead Marty just accentuated (sp?) the chords here and there. And that's it.... Since this concert actually was taped at a recording studio (the Plant in Saucalito), I hope it's Arista's intentions to release some of this stuff either as b-sides or even better a "mailing list only" full length cd.... :-) And the best thing about the concert is that it's over so I don't have to listen to that radiostation _ever_ again... :-) -morten From mosk Mon Jun 6 05:39 PDT 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: SASE Lyrics > From U23500@UICVM.UIC.EDU Sun Jun 5 21:00:02 1994 > Date: Sun, 05 Jun 94 22:56:04 CDT > > Someone had posted lyrics to the songs on SASE; unfortunately i joined too > late to receive all of that...all i got were someone else's corrections... > could you (any of you, i'm not being specific) repost lyrics...? > I'll forward them to Raj.... I don't think a repost is necessary... > also... > > is there a FAQ for the list? Yes. I always include it as a confirmation that you're signed up. I'll forward another copy.... > and... > is the church touring the US for SASE? if so, when and where please... > Acoustic tour is in the process (mostly radio shows, not many of them are open to the general public). Rumoured "electric" tour in August... I trust Bill@Arista will keep us posted.... > Thanks a lot! > raj > Anytime! :-) -morten From brenta@microsoft.com Mon Jun 6 10:58 PDT 1994 X-Msmail-Message-Id: E64603AA X-Msmail-Conversation-Id: E64603AA X-Msmail-Wiseremark: These pretzels are making me thirsty From: Brent Aliverti Subject: Church show in Seattle tomorrow For any of you Seattle folks, here's the info on the Church show tomorrow: Venue: Sit & Spin (cafe\laundromat) on 4th in Seattle (about halfway between the Seattle Center and Westlake Center). Two shows: one at 8:30 and one at 9:15. The shows are free, so basically you just have to show up and get in line. They'll be letting in 100 people for each show. Folks at the first show will get kicked out to make room for the second show. Both sets will be around 30 minutes, I guess, though it's conceivable they could play a few minutes longer in the second set. From anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Mon Jun 6 11:50 PDT 1994 Reply-To: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Organization: Xymox UUCP System, Melbourne Australia From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Re: My take on SA/SE Chris Barrus writes: > So far, SA/SE isn't my favorite Church album (I cannot say what the "best" > Church album is), but I love SA/SE for what it is - a big sprawling mess of > an album which has some hits and misses, but is unlike any album I've heard > this year. Agreed there - it's a unique album which I'm liking more each time I listen to it. I've only had my copy since last Thursday and didn't "get" the album at all until late Sunday night, but this is definitely shaping up to be placed in the Very Good category. > issue of Raygun has a one-page interview with Steve and Marty - they talk > about the album and mention that "Business Woman" was their least favorite > song and wanted it off of the album completely. According to them, Arista > forced it on at the last minute. I wonder why it's on the Australian release, then? If they'd wanted it off, Mushroom wouldn't have stopped them. Incidentally, the double-CD version of the album in Australia has, according to Festival Records (Mushroom's distributor) been held up. They expect copies to surface later in the week. The promo copy I was serviced with was the single CD, but the (ugly) label still says "Disk 1"! > "My Little Problem" is one of the most beautiful songs I've heard in awhile > and is easily one of my favorite Church songs period. "Two Places At > Once", "Day Of The Dead", and "Authority" are also standouts for me. I am currently extremely fond of "The Maven", though the "what the fucking heck... yeah" line seems forced and trite. Not only was this track recorded in Sweden, it sounds like they've used the Abba Button on the drums here, too. :-) "Two Places At Once" disappointed me greatly at first, but I'm getting used to it. It ain't no single, though. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au those herbal-tea moments." - Caroline Sullivan of The Guardian reviewing the new "Victoria Amos" album. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mosk Mon Jun 6 12:51 PDT 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: My take on SA/SE > From anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Mon Jun 6 11:50:11 1994 > > Agreed there - it's a unique album which I'm liking more each time I listen > to it. I've only had my copy since last Thursday and didn't "get" the album > at all until late Sunday night, but this is definitely shaping up to be > placed in the Very Good category. > Yes... Even _I_ think the album is very good now.... :-} As you said Anthony, it takes quite a few listens to "get" the album... And I had definetely not "gotten" it when I wrote my review.... Then suddenly bits and pieces of various songs started popping up in my head... Can you say "hooked"? :-) > > I wonder why it's on the Australian release, then? If they'd wanted it off, > Mushroom wouldn't have stopped them. > "Business Woman" was also on the list of tracks Kilbey quoted in his letter, although it _was_ listed on the bonus album.... Maybe Arista just wanted it on the main album.... > Incidentally, the double-CD version of the album in Australia has, according > to Festival Records (Mushroom's distributor) been held up. They expect copies > to surface later in the week. The promo copy I was serviced with was the > single CD, but the (ugly) label still says "Disk 1"! > The bonus album has some of the best songs in my opinion.... You have more to look forward to here, Anthony.... :-) > > I am currently extremely fond of "The Maven", though the "what the fucking > heck... yeah" line seems forced and trite. Not only was this track recorded > in Sweden, it sounds like they've used the Abba Button on the drums here, > too. :-) "Two Places At Once" disappointed me greatly at first, but I'm > getting used to it. It ain't no single, though. > The Maven is a good song, although the guitar solo still seems a little out of tune to me...It jars me everytime I hear it... And the reason for the drums sounding like crushed ice is because of the place it was recorded... Fryshuset translates to The Cold Storage House (it could be an old fish-packaging-plant-turned-studio). I hope they got the mackerel smell out first... :-) Ah, childhood memories.... :-) And speaking of single... Has anyone seen a CD5 release of 2 Places? All I have found is a promo version of it with a radio and video edit in addition to the album edit... Everyone speaks about it as if it was released (the 2 stores I have asked have said "Yeah, we'll have it by the end of the week"...That was of course last week, and so far nothing has shown up yet.... Or is this another one of the "superb single as Ripple" releases??? -morten From 917815@edna.cc.swin.edu.au Mon Jun 6 18:08 PDT 1994 From: Jonathan Michael Payling <917815@edna.cc.swin.edu.au> Subject: Re: My take on SA/SE Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM On Tue, 7 Jun 1994, Anthony Horan wrote: > > > So far, SA/SE isn't my favorite Church album (I cannot say what the "best" > > Church album is), but I love SA/SE for what it is - a big sprawling mess of > > an album which has some hits and misses, but is unlike any album I've heard > > this year. > > Agreed there - it's a unique album which I'm liking more each time I listen > to it. I've only had my copy since last Thursday and didn't "get" the album > at all until late Sunday night, but this is definitely shaping up to be > placed in the Very Good category. Agreed.. I think it's one of the most interesting albums I've ever heard on "first listen".. There's so much to listen to! > > > I wonder why it's on the Australian release, then? If they'd wanted it off, > Mushroom wouldn't have stopped them. > re: business woman - I'm not really surprised! I like the track, but it is a bit of a "get down and shake yer booty" dancey number.. :) Cheers, Elkor. From 917815@edna.cc.swin.edu.au Mon Jun 6 18:48 PDT 1994 From: Jonathan Michael Payling <917815@edna.cc.swin.edu.au> Subject: SA - Opinion First of all I'm disgusted with the way fans and the church are being treated in Australia by the record company. None of the shops in Melbourne here seem to have any f' idea when the album is due exactly, only "sometime this week... maybe in the next few weeks? etc".. And what's more I havn't seen one iota of promotion..I've heard a couple of songs on the noncommercial radio stations but not alot.. Has someone forgotten the church are an Australian band? Why has the album been available in the states for 3 weeks?! ARGGH!! Anyway, I got a US release :) and I absolutely LOVE the album, and knew so on first listen.. Day of the Dead - What a cool samba! The bass on this entire album is WICKED (as usual!) and especially this song, which rollicks along like a twisted sea shanty! heh.. I LOVE the chorus, it's almost as sing-along-a-ble as The Dissillusionist!.. The drums are also way cool.. very well mixed.. Lost My Touch - EXCELLENT!.. I first heard this on the radio a few days before I got the album and loved it instantly.. EVERYTHING about this song is cool!. The initial 3/4 loop, the totally static bass and Kilbeys superb vocals and classic church guitar.. The end is also wicked, "You laugh, you laugh, you can't get the stuff hold onto the raft it's my craft etc.." I love how he takes the piss.. this song flows superbly into Loveblind - Another excellent track. More of a typical church song. A great story which I found myself almost falling into a trance listening to so intently.. This song will really take you places if you let it! My Little Problem - My first hurdle.. I like the guitar part alot, but I'm not convinced by its 7 minute length and it's "build up".. I found this song hard to get into.. but there's time! I think the lyrics are quite clever... The Maven - Not convinced again..although after a few listens it began to creep up on me.. Steve's voice has a tendency to do that, it really gets under your skin, and that guitar melody flows beautifully with the song.. Angelica - There's so much to put you off this track to begin with! But I find if you just ignore it, it's a really good song! heh.. The bass and whole "techno" feel of this leaves me balancing on the fence.. I really like the tremol guitar feel and martys twisted vocals.... boy that violin solo really hits you off guarf!.. Lullaby - Snoooooooore... Eastern - Pretty cool, but I can't help thinking - Why? Two Places at Once - Great verses, lovely bass and tremelo guitar again.. but the chorus is quite a flop I think.. almost forced to these ears.. beatiful feel of verses carries it though.. definately not single material! Business Woman - I can understand why the lads might want this track off the album, but It really is a likeable, positive feeling song.. I mean, who couldn't possibly like that guitar hook! It's so catchy! After a few pipes this really is the song to get you off the couch! Authority - Another nice upbeat ditty.. The keyboard washes are a really nice touch.. builds to a very much melancholy feel.. Fly Home - Not convinced by this track.. For a start Marty sings like he's trying to take the piss out of roger waters, and I don't think this track succeeds in where it's going.. It has a very nice atmosphere, but I think something is missing, like with Two Places.. It is growing on me a bit though.. The Dead Man's Dream - Didn't do anything for me the first few listens..I like the sound of the song but it doesn't really catch you at all.. Anyway.. I love the Album.. but that's not surprising.. I'm so glad the church have actually bothered to try and do something different, and it's good to see they havn't been constrained by song lengths.. I feel a few of the tracks drag on, but Loveblind and Day of the Dead are much better off for the freedom of their duration.. I just can't wait to hear the EP! Later, Elkor.. From anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Mon Jun 6 23:07 PDT 1994 Reply-To: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Organization: Xymox UUCP System, Melbourne Australia From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Re: Earth Music Brian says: > As some of you may know, The Church contributed a track to a collection > called Earth Music. Didn't I post about this last week? :-) > (Marty's pal and co-producer on some SA tracks) has been credited as Martin > Russell, while (*sob*) Marty Willson-Piper has lost an 'l' in his "Wilson". > This is, quite frankly, pathetic and insulting. How do these Environmental > wankers expect to establish a good relationship with artists if they don't > even spell their names right ! You think that's bad? You should see the Festival Records (distributors for the Earth Music EP) release sheet for last week! Yep, the new single from Ross Wilson is out, and it's "The World's Got Everything In It"! Features BONUS TRACKS by Dave Steel and The Church, as well as some bush sounds! Get the new Ross Wilson single now!!!! No mention anywhere that this is a charity compilation EP, not a Ross Wilson single, and no mention of the Earth Music Trust, to whom the artists donated their tracks to raise funds for "re-greening". It's going in the Festival catalogue as a Ross Wilson single, in fact. Sheesh. Anyway, if you see a Ross Wilson CD single mentioned anywhere with a bonus Church track, be warned, it's the same thing as Earth Music. :) -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au those herbal-tea moments." - Caroline Sullivan of The Guardian reviewing the new "Victoria Amos" album. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From matthew.blair@afrc.ac.uk Tue Jun 7 04:47 PDT 1994 Content-Identifier: 11863B2B2800 From: BLAIRM Subject: SA Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Hi, ELKOR (?) writes : > First of all I'm disgusted with the way fans and the church are being > treated in Australia by the record company.... You should try being a Church fan in Scotland ! > ..someone forgotten the church are an Australian band? I get your point, but are they not to blame (a bit) themselves perhaps ? I sometimes feel like that about bands, as if they tend to forget where they came from. But I suppose if the money's to be made elsewhere...and if they stick to one place, then no-one outside that area gets to hear them, which in the church's case would be a great shame....Or maybe its all the record company's fault ! > ..I just can't wait to hear the EP! What EP ? Do you mean SE, or do I have to hope that some record shop in Edinburgh may actually get a church record in thats not P=A, GAF, or STARFISH (all on CD of course, no chance of any vinyl at all) And, last but not least, does anybody out there (in the UK maybe ?, but I'm not too fussy) know where I can get my hands on any bootlegs, videos etc ? If anyone has a bootleg of the gig they did in Manchester for GAF I'd be very interested, coz that was the gig I made it to. My first, and probably last, church gig. The way it looks to me, I don't think they'll be back in the UK for a tour again. But if anyone knows different.... Cheers, Matt. From mrgreen@mame.mu.OZ.AU Tue Jun 7 05:24 PDT 1994 Subject: somewhere else in melbourne.. <8341431207061994/A09765/IAPE/11863B2B2800*@MHS> From: matthew green i saw sometime anywhere/somewhere else in jb hifi in the city tonight. ie, it exists in australia, but not before i had it ;-) oh, there was only one copy left that i could see. From FURSTD@BoysTown.ORG Tue Jun 7 07:06 PDT 1994 From: FURSTD@BoysTown.ORG (DAVID FURST) Subject: New Member Introduces Self I think this is what the directions said to do. My name is Dave and I first encountered the church in, I think, about 1982-83 when living in ft. collins colorado. Saw unguarded moment on the boulder music video show and instantly fell for them. Favorite song? Probably a toss-up between shadow cabinet, reptile, and hotel womb. Other personal bioinfo. Have been a guitartist for 20 plus years. Play a Reissue les paul gold top through a boogie studio .22. Just graduated with a Ph.D. in Industrial Psychology which is impossibly boring which is why I am playing on the net cause I am pretty fried right now. Thank god for a new church release -- the best medicine I can think of That and trying to record my own ethereal and menacing church-like tunes on my 4-track. However, nothing can compare. Is there a US tour in the making? Is that why they are playing the laundromat in seattle? hmmmm. My fav's on the new release are - most of them but esp. the maven, my little problem, loveblind, and business woman cause it reminds me of one I know. Anyone know what the spoken words at the end of HEX's Hollywood in Winter are? From rfd@buclaa.bu.edu Tue Jun 7 08:44 PDT 1994 From: rfd@buclaa.bu.edu (Richard F. Delano) Subject: Re: SA - Opinion Elkor wrote: > Has someone forgotten the church are an Australian band? Now that it's down to just SK and MWP, are they really an Australian band anymore? Not that it justifies the delay in releasing SA there. The same thing was done with the most recent Crowded House album. It was released in the UK first, then the US, then Australia. They're another band that are always referred to as being "Australian", yet 2 of the 3 remaining members are non-Aussies (NZ & US). Whatever... So, where is the new single anyway? I want b-sides!!!! "Ritz" would be a nice addition to the collection. What are the odds of a studio version existing? "Two Places at Once" isn't getting much airplay in Boston anymore. Are there really *any* singles on this album? This album strikes me in the same way P=A did. It needs to be taken as a whole. There's a mood/feeling to the album that gets lost when trying to listen to any of the songs individually. I guess that's why when I made a mixed Church tape I only took "Ripple" off of P=A. There are other songs I love off the album, but only "Ripple" seems to stand up well on it's own. Although, I do think that even "Ripple" loses a bit on it's own, but not quite as much as other tracks. I've babbled long enough... Rich Boston Univ. PS Why have I joined the ranks of folks who no longer see their posts on the list? From rcr@u.washington.edu Tue Jun 7 12:05 PDT 1994 Tue, 7 Jun 94 12:00:26 -0700 From: Rhonda Corcoran Subject: Church Interview (fwd) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Morten Skjefte Subject: Church Interview I was thumbing through some old e-mail files and found this interview in there... -morten ----- Begin Included Message ----- >From aus.music Fri May 1 14:44:04 1992 Following is the interview with the Church that started this mess in aus.music. If you want to complain typos, you can type it in youself next time ;-) The Church Enigma ----------------- Sunday Telegraph, April 19, 1992 By Ed St. John. Reprinted sans permission. Church's early goals were simple. "When we started out we were just four teenagers who didn't know much, " recalls singer Steve Kilbey. "We certainly couldn't play our instruments very well. We just wanted to have fun, go out, and meet girls." This year marks the 12th anniversary for the Sydney band, making them one of the longest surviving outfits still working in Australia today. In the intervening years they have released seven albums and three EPs, selling almost 2 million records (mainly in Europe and America). The band members - particularly Kilbey and guitarists Peter Koppes and Marty Wilson-Piper - have also engaged in a dazzling array of sideline projects, including solo albums, production work and songwriting projects. They've always stood well to the left of centre with their dreamy, often surreal music, but they've also demonstrated a knack for writing occasional hit records. Its a fragile and unusual combination, but it appears to work. "For most of our career we've just basically drifted along being relatively unsuccessful and randomly making records," says Kilbey. "We probably would have gone on like that if we hadn't recorded an album called Starfish that went and sold a lot of copies in America." Starfish, released in 1988, was a major world-wide hit thanks to the classic single Under the Milky Way. The albums unexpected success had a negative effect on the band's equilibrium, however, and the follow-up album (1990's Gold Afternoon Fix) was far less potent. "I'd always imagined that success would bring a certain freedom," says Kilbey, "but all it did was to bring more pressure. Suddenly I had all these people whispering in my ear. We started having meetings with hundreds of big-name producers, and then we finally went and made a record that took far too long and was laboured over too much. "It was a very ordinary Church-by-the-numbers record that we then had to spend two years travelling around the world promoting. By the time we finished I'd had plenty of time to think about things and figure out what we wanted to do." The Church has spent most of the past six months recording their latest offering in Sydney. The album carries a typically bizarre title, Priest Aura, and features some of the best music this enigmatic band has recorded. "With this album we felt as if the constraints had been cut. We went back to playing the way we wanted to play," says Kilbey. "The title of the album is basically a nonsense thing. I was in Spain, and I was signing an autograph for a girl when I saw what I though was Priest Aura written in her exercise book. I don't think it said that, but the words just stuck. "It turned into a bit of a joke while we were making the album, and then we reached a point where it was the only thing the album could be called." Kilbey, who writes all of the Church's lyrics, cheerfully admits that not all his lyrics make absolute sense. As a lyricist, he's more than comfortable with pulling strange ideas out of the air without too much concious thought. "I'm like a conductor for nonsense - but I might add that I think there is often meaning in nonsense. If someone said they found my lyrics incredibly meaningful they'd be just as right as someone who said they were utter garbage. They'd both be right." With a new drummer, American Jay Dee Daugherty, The Church are gearing up for a busy 1992 involving extensive promotional work and a tour planned for July. If the music on Priest Aura is anything to go by, the band may yet get another stab at lucrative international success. "I think what's happening at this point in the band's history is that we've really learnt how to play and how to improvise. Football teams can't stay together for 12 years because people retire or get injured all the time, but a band can stay together and just get better and better." ---End of Interview--- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stephen Nicholson stephen@wampyr.cc.uow.oz.au NorTel Technology Centre Wollongong University "I was hired and fired but never inspired, flattering chattering words to impress me" - 'Tantalized', The Church ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- End Included Message ----- From rcr@u.washington.edu Tue Jun 7 12:13 PDT 1994 Tue, 7 Jun 94 12:07:44 -0700 From: Rhonda Corcoran Subject: Oops! Sorry about the forwarded message to the list. It was supposed to go to a friend instead. Well, maybe someone out there hasn't seen that particular interview yet. Rhonda :) p.s. Nicole, I was your post. Hope to see you tonight! From pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Tue Jun 7 13:07 PDT 1994 From: pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Subject: Sacramento OK Paul calm down. You don't know the frustration involved in bringing this message to you. I started this morning, and after about 7 pages of writing, the campus power went out and i lost the whole fucking thing! So i decided to write it on a text editor, and then save as I go, but each time I saved it, a few lines would disappear. I'd replace those lines, then 3 more would disappear, while the original lines showed up in triplicate somewhere in the middle of the text, and so on.......After about 1.5 hours of that, i decided to go back to e-mail, and had done about 3 pages when I was suddenly disconnected. Again, the whole thing lost. So now, I start again, for the 4th time. This time, I've decided to break up the message into a few parts, and send them as i finish them hopefully avoiding a downed phone line or something else to piss me off. So this is the introduction. The rest will follow (hopefully). From pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Tue Jun 7 13:18 PDT 1994 From: pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Subject: Sacramento #2 I went to the Sacramento show yesterday. It was an outdoor festival type thing, with 5 bands, appearing in the order: Eve's Plumb, Possum Dixon, The Church, Beck, and the Violent Femmes. Unfortunately, the 2 bands before the church were both loud, grunge types, which the mostly teenage audience loved, at least judging from the size of the mosh-pit. So when the church came on, their mellow music was not what most of these kids wanted to hear, so many of them talked throughout the set. The crowd was pretty quiet, and it seemed as though Steve & Marty wanted to get out of there too. I won't go into the songs in detail, as they were basically the same as those reported from other reviews, but they played: The Ritz (I'm assuming that's what it was from Morten's message), Hotel Womb, Shadow Cabinet, Tristesse, Providence, 10,000 Miles, and Under the Milky Way. It was a great show. I was standing a few feet from the stage, close to the speakers, which may have been a mistake. Visually it couldn't have been better, but acoustically, it was too loud so close to really hear the instruments, and Steve's strumming often drowned out Marty's solos. I was really bummed because the security guys nabbed my recorder on the way in, so I couldn't tape it, but from where I was standing, it may not have been a great tape anyway (as i struggle to justify losing the recorder :-) But it was a great show, and i'm sooo glad I went. But what I really want to talk about is Steve & Marty............ (nice cliffhanger effect) From pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Tue Jun 7 13:33 PDT 1994 From: pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Subject: Sacramento #3 There were a bunch of food stands etc. set up all around the place, and as i was walking around, who should walk up but Steve himself! I went over and asked how long a set they were allowed, and he said "30 minutes" and walked off to get in the food line. (For those of you keeping score at home, he bought a Butterfinger :-) Later in the show, he came out again, and sat in the grass with the rest of the crowd. Nobody approached him, or even seemed to recognize him, so in the next break I took my chance and went over. I knelt beside him and said "sorry to bother you again, but I wrote you a letter asking about lyrics and things, and you replied, which I thought was really nice, and I appreciate it" (OK, not the best opening line I admit). The whole time I was saying this, he was staring at the empty stage, not even noticing i was there. When i said that he had replied, he sort of looked a tme sideways for a second, and then back to looking at the stage. Not a word. I took this as a hint, and said "the new album's great" and left. He murmered "thanks" when I said that, and I left. Now i know that he probably has people coming up to him all the time, but on that day, not 1 person had approached him whilr he sat there. I had only wanted to tell him that i appreciated his work, and he basically ignored me. I don't know, i just think that he should have shown a little more respect for the fans who support him, not just me of course, but anyone who tried to talk to him. People have been saying that they talked to him after shows on this tour, and that he seemed distant, and as if he wanted to be somewhere else (pun intended), and this was certainly the case. It's not like i expected him to embrace me and invite me to hang out in their trailer or anything, but I think that maybe some kind of acknowledgement may have been in order. I didn't come on as a gushing, fawning groupie (which of course I really am), it was very low key, and to the point. Hopefully he was just tripping, or really stoned or something, and is not adopting an aloof rock star persona. I don't want to bitch, but i think if someone makes an effort to say they appreciate your work, you should make an effort to at leat acknowledge them. Marty, on the other hand........ From pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Tue Jun 7 13:45 PDT 1994 From: pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Subject: Sacramento #4 Marty, on the other hand, spent the first hour or so of the concert lying on the grass in the performers area, talking through a chain- link fence with 3 teenage girls. I saw him sign an autograph, so I went and asked for one, and he asked for my name, and personalized the autograph. We then talked for a few minutes, and i asked him some questions about whatever, and it was really cool, and he seemed genuinely interested. I asked if he was ever going to record the song "connie Planck" and he laughed and said "what a question! I haven't heard that in years!". BTW, he also confirmed that AAE is officially defunct, but that he is making an album with the guys from the band, with him doing vocals, but of course in the heat of the moment, I forgot the name :-( Anyway, we talked for a while, and it was cool. After their set, Steve walked off and disappeared, while Marty came over to the fans and hung out and signed autographs etc. He was talking to everyone, and seemed to enjoy it. He also signed my girlfriend's masters thesis, that she was working on during the breaks, saying "your thesis? now there's a cool thing to sign". The point is (finally) Marty made a little effort to let the fans know that they wereppreciated, and important to what he does, and in the process I'm sure made it a day those fans (including me) will never forget. As others have said in their reviews, he seemed in a good mood, and was easily approachable. Marty gave a little extra for his fas, and for that my esteem for him has grown immensely, beyond just his musical genius. Steve acted like he had a stick up his ass, and left a bitter taste in my mouth. OK, are you all sick of my ramblings yet (god knows I'm sick of typing it by now). Bottom line, thanks Steve & Marty for the great show, thanks Marty for doing a little extra for those that support you. -paul From gsa@panix.com Tue Jun 7 17:02 PDT 1994 From: Gary Assa Subject: Re: Sacramento #3 Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM As for speaking to Steve after/before shows: I have tried this too. The best thing to do is what I now do (ever since 1988). When you see him, just wave or say hello ans keep moving. He may take this as a "Gee, someone knows who I am, and they didn't bother me. I respect that person." I think if you offer him drugs, he may be more receptive. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- * The first thing we do let's kill all the lawyers _Shakespeare * ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From BSmith@VCOMTELC.TELECOM.com.au Tue Jun 7 17:25 PDT 1994 From: "Smith, Brian" Subject: Hollywood in Winter spoken part I tried to send this direct to the original poster, but it bounced. Share and Enjoy ! ----- Transcript of session follows ----- While connected to lcfnext.BoysTown.ORG: >>> HELO BoysTown.ORG <<< 553 BoysTown.ORG config error: mail loops back to myself 554 furstd@ycmail... 554 Service unavailable > of one I know. Anyone know what the spoken words at the end of HEX's > Hollywood > in Winter are? I'll have a go..but there's some stuff in there that's definitely unintelligible to me. " Heard about this..this guy you know, he was working and he'd always been like (something here....) a car salesman but he had this woman boss. So he goes to her....she said she had to talk to him about something, she says come on in and then she says take a breath she says hold your palms out and repeat after me "I am open to all the good things in the Universe." and so he says "I am open to all the good things in the Universe." and then she says "There is more than enough money in this world for me." so he says "There is more than enough money in this world for me." I like *something something*....some lady ! Another thing, *mumble mumble* pray to god...*mumble* FUCK ME ! I couldn't believe it ! " (I reckon this is the best song on this Hex album.) Brian Smith From john.brownosullivan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Tue Jun 7 17:30 PDT 1994 X-Sender: ou005076@brandywine.otago.ac.nz (Unverified) From: john.brownosullivan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (John Brown-O'Sullivan) Subject: I want answers Hi everyone Still no album! It might be in NZ by next Tuesday. Can someone tell me: 1. What happened about the promised transcript of the Church Online? 2. In particular, I had some burning questions, about literary & musical influences, and the Steve Kilbey - Shayne Carter album. Were they asked? If not, I will be pissed off, considering what I've heard about the standard of the questions! 3. Does anyone know what Peter Koppes is doing nowdays? I can't believe he just sodded off into the sunset to do nothing - why hasn't he done any recordings since P=A? 4. Why did first Richard Ploog and then Jay Dee Daugherty leave the Church? ie did they decide, or were they pushed? 5. Thanks heaps to Rhonda for accidentally mailing the interview online! For those of us who joined recently it is quite frustrating knowing that there are lots of interesting articles previously sent we can't read. So far I have the discography, the lyrics, the Boston Phoenix review and the one above. If anyone on the list has any other interesting stuff, eg interviews, or reviews of past albums, I would like to get them. I enjoyed reading Morten's review of SA, even if he subsequently retracted it. What about the 'general consumption' one, Morten? From what I've heard, I have a bad feeling about this album - sounds like it could be a turkey. For me, P=A was the Church's highwater mark - it turned them from just another guitar band into the most alternative bunch ever. But now they seem to have gone Abba's direction - just like U2. The acoustic tour sounds like a bad move! And Paul, maybe SK is dying of incurable cancer, or has gone mad and is preparing to top himself. From john.brownosullivan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Tue Jun 7 23:00 PDT 1994 X-Sender: ou005076@brandywine.otago.ac.nz From: john.brownosullivan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (John Brown-O'Sullivan) Subject: I want answers Hi everyone Still no album! It might be in NZ by next Tuesday. Can someone tell me: 1. What happened about the promised transcript of the Church Online? 2. In particular, I had some burning questions, about literary & musical influences, and the Steve Kilbey - Shayne Carter album. Were they asked? If not, I will be pissed off, considering what I've heard about the standard of the questions! 3. Does anyone know what Peter Koppes is doing nowdays? I can't believe he just sodded off into the sunset to do nothing - why hasn't he done any recordings since P=A? 4. Why did first Richard Ploog and then Jay Dee Daugherty leave the Church? ie did they decide, or were they pushed? 5. Thanks heaps to Rhonda for accidentally mailing the interview online! For those of us who joined recently it is quite frustrating knowing that there are lots of interesting articles previously sent we can't read. So far I have the discography, the lyrics, the Boston Phoenix review and the one above. If anyone on the list has any other interesting stuff, eg interviews, or reviews of past albums, I would like to get them. I enjoyed reading Morten's review of SA, even if he subsequently retracted it. What about the 'general consumption' one, Morten? From what I've heard, I have a bad feeling about this album - sounds like it could be a turkey. For me, P=A was the Church's highwater mark - it turned them from just another guitar band into the most alternative bunch ever. But now they seem to have gone Abba's direction - just like U2. The acoustic tour sounds like a bad move! And Paul, maybe SK is dying of incurable cancer, or is in a severely depressed state over the non-chart-storming nature of the new album. John From pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Wed Jun 8 09:20 PDT 1994 From: pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Subject: Ploog/JD RE: John's question about why Richard Ploog and Jay Dee Daugherty both left the band, I have heard a bunch of reasons, and I have no idea which is right. I heard Jay Dee was "dismissed" after P=A, but I don't know why. As for Richard, i heard he left to "pursue alternatives in music and lifestyle", I heard Steve say he "just sort of lost the vibe and wandered off", and that it was "mutual, and something Richard wanted and deserved". But I also heard that he was fired for his "excessive lifestyle", whatever that implies. So take your pick, or make up your own. As steve also joked, Richard was "growing an 8 foot -tall marijuana plant and a strong wind blew it over and crushed his drum-playing hands". I prefer an alien abduction explanation myself :-) -paul From rcr@u.washington.edu Wed Jun 8 10:12 PDT 1994 From: Rhonda Corcoran Subject: Added Church date? Cc: the Church A friend in L.A. posted to me about a Church appearanceK; sbMthat I didn't see on the schedule of promo dates. So I thought I'd pass the info on: On 06/07/94 rcr@u.washington.edu said to TDAVENPOR1 |p.s. Tracey, where are the Church playing on Saturday? I It's going to be at a place called Luna Park, in the Beverly Hills/ West L.A. area. I've never been there before, so it will be an entirely new experience... :) ___________________________________________________ I hope some of you are able to make it to this. The show last night in Seattle was fantastic!!! We showed up at the door around 4:30 to see if there was a line. There was a table set up and we were told to pick the show we wanted to see, so we said the 2nd one, hoping for an extended set. Then we went inside to have some dinner. Saw Marty walk through the cafe and out the front door with someone, probably to do su"( From rcr@u.washington.edu Wed Jun 8 10:34 PDT 1994 From: Rhonda Corcoran Subject: More on the Seattle show Sorry, my mailer f%^#*! up! Anyway, we only saw Marty before the show once. Then we were kicked out so the place could be set upj for the show. We were able to watch the first show through the window, and the sound was perfect. When the audience inside clapped after a song, everyone outside was doing the same just as loudly. :) Finally, our show started just before 10. As we hoped, we were treated to an extra long set. They played until 11. The main set was the standard one that has been mentioned by other people. The highlight for me was My Little Problem. I love this song! Steve didn't talk too much between songs, until near the end of the set. Thn They came back for an encore. They played 3 songs (maybe 4?). One of these was Lost and I can't remember the names of the others right now. Marty was incredible, and you could tell Steve had a time of it trying to keep up with him, but he did. Marty was in great spirits, and I assume Steve was too because he thanked us all and said they were enjoying themselves a lot. I don't imagine they would have played as long as they did otherwise. At one quiet point, someone yelled out, "Thanks for the free show." Steve called back, "Thanks for nothing." Another time, they were conferring quietly and something was said about them being old. Marty said, "We _are_ old", and grinned and he made a comment about feeling old after seeing Beck. He also joked about Seattle and grunge and said that grunge had made the Church obsolete and the reason he grew his hair long was too fit in. That's it basically. If I remember the encore songs, I'll type them in later. For being an acoustic show, they really did a great job, and managed to make a lot of noise. I hope a larger tour is in the works! Thanks to Marty and Steve for a great show, and thanks Bill for keeping us all so well informed. Rhonda p.s. A question for Bill: There was someone wandering around with a video recorder during the shows. Is anything new going to be put out on a video format? From ctn2d@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu Wed Jun 8 10:56 PDT 1994 8 Jun 94 13:56 EDT From: ctn2d@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu Subject: Re: Ploog/JD I have heard several stories also, about Ploog,some of them from steve, and i think it comes down to he was pursuing some serious drugs. chris Sadly, many children are not even born into families today, but are orphaned even before their birth by the choice of their parents who do not want them. This grieves my heart so. Cherish your children and give them the stable environment they deserve. -The Blessed Virgin Mary, March 7, 1987 From FURSTD@BoysTown.ORG Wed Jun 8 11:26 PDT 1994 From: FURSTD@BoysTown.ORG (DAVID FURST) Subject: middle of the country Does anyone know if sk and mwp will be coming to the midwest? If anyone gets a chance to talk to either at a show soon please ask if they will be coming anywhere near Omaha. I saw them at a place called Peony Park about 4-5 years back. From gsa@panix.com Wed Jun 8 16:19 PDT 1994 From: Gary Assa Subject: Re: I want answers Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM > 3. Does anyone know what Peter Koppes is doing nowdays? I can't believe he > just sodded off into the sunset to do nothing - why hasn't he done any > recordings since P=A? Petter, I believe is formaing a band called The Well (kinda taken from his album title). this band included Richard Ploog! > 4. Why did first Richard Ploog and then Jay Dee Daugherty leave the Church? > ie did they decide, or were they pushed? Ploog was heavy into drugs and was basicalled kicked out of the band after GAF because he wouldn't show up for practive and was unreliable. JD left on his own. From mosk Wed Jun 8 16:40 PDT 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: I want answers > From gsa@panix.com Wed Jun 8 16:19:47 1994 > Petter, I believe is formaing a band called The Well (kinda taken from > his album title). this band included Richard Ploog! > I suggest someone writes to Peter... :-) I don't have Iridescense, but someone told me the address to the record company is: Phantom Records, POB A566, Sydney South 2000, Australia. Phone (02)264-8992, Fax (02)267-5242 I'm sure they'll forward it... It could even be Pete's own mailbox for all I know... -morten From nobody@Kodak.COM Wed Jun 8 17:52 PDT 1994 From: "Richard W. Powell x71123/ESD/8-23-KP" Reply-To: "Richard W. Powell x71123/ESD/8-23-KP" Subject: re: I Want Answers Hello John - (john.brownosullivan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz) > Can someone tell me: > 1. What happened about the promised transcript of the Church Online? I don't' know. > 2. In particular, I had some burning questions, about literary & musical > influences, and the Steve Kilbey - Shayne Carter album. Were they asked? If > not, I will be pissed off, considering what I've heard about the standard > of the questions! I get the impression that you view the seance distribution list as an Church information "service". I view it more as a means by which people interested in the band can share information. If I have a question, I ask it. If someone has the answer, it was worth it. > 3. Does anyone know what Peter Koppes is doing nowdays? I can't believe he > just sodded off into the sunset to do nothing - why hasn't he done any > recordings since P=A? I've wondered that to. > 4. Why did first Richard Ploog and then Jay Dee Daugherty leave the Church? > ie did they decide, or were they pushed? Dido. > 5. Thanks heaps to Rhonda for accidentally mailing the interview online! > For those of us who joined recently it is quite frustrating knowing that > there are lots of interesting articles previously sent we can't read. So > far I have the discography, the lyrics, the Boston Phoenix review and the > one above. If anyone on the list has any other interesting stuff, eg > interviews, or reviews of past albums, I would like to get them. I have found the majority of the messages to be interesting (to me anyway). I've put specific questions to the distribution list that I'm sure had been asked prior to my addition to the list. > I enjoyed reading Morten's review of SA, even if he subsequently > retracted it. What about the 'general consumption' one, Morten? I read Morton's "searing" review before I had even heard the new disc. I knew it represented his first reaction to the new music, and took it as such. As it turns out, when I first heard the disc a week later, I had the same reaction! I just started putting down some of my opinions last week ... today I tossed that scratch paper out and started fresh. The ONLY reason I'm not eating crow now is because I didn't stick my opinions out there as quickly (and still haven't). > From what I've heard, I have a bad feeling about this album - sounds like > it could be a turkey. For me, P=A was the Church's highwater mark - it > turned them from just another guitar band into the most alternative bunch > ever. But now they seem to have gone Abba's direction - just like U2. I get laughed at when I say this, but I think Abba recorded some great pop songs. But, they were never "cool" because every one from your little brother to your grand mother liked 'em. And U2, the only thing they did wrong was get popular. They still seem to play & record what ever they want. To me, "alternative" just means "not played on the radio". It's all just music. Of course, since MTV, image may be more important that the actual music created. I could go on and on.... (...I guess I already have!) > The acoustic tour sounds like a bad move! And Paul, maybe SK is dying of > incurable cancer, or has gone mad and is preparing to top himself. I think the acoustic tour is a great idea. I only wish I had a prayer of seeing it. I keep saying I'm done with huge "arena" type shows. I'd rather see a mediocre band in a bar than a great one in a stadium. - have fun, Dick (powell@kodak.com) From kwr08495@acuvax.acu.edu Thu Jun 9 09:14 PDT 1994 From: "Karl W. Reinsch" Cc: kwr08495@acuvax.acu.edu Subject: re: I want answers Date sent: 9-JUN-1994 11:07:12 >1. What happened about the promised transcript of the Church Online? I never promised to supply it. I said that it was a possibility but I wanted someone to go over the legalities of it with me. No one ever answered my question as to the legality of posting the entire session to the discussion list. The actual session is copyright to America Online, they put a notice on it. I'm not going to post the whole thing until I have a good grasp of the legal issues involved. However, someone else who wishes to may post it. Well, the Church On-line event was interesting at it's best. America On-line sets these things up where the guest is on a virtual stage and the normal folks are located in virtual rows of 8 "seats" apiece. The number is variable, but 8 is the usual, apparently. Questions to the guest are submitted via a submission window. There is also a place to type that is always on-screen. This causes much confusion. Lots of users type into this location thinking they are submitting a question. In fact, they are sending to the other people in their "row". This is extremely annoying unless you really want to converse with the other people nearby and ignore the event. Thankfully, you can disable the recieving of messages from people in your row. Apparently, submitted questions are put into a first-in, first-out queue. These questions are then fed to the guest whenever they ask for another one. There is no proof-reader for the questions, at least it didn't seem like it. There needs to be someone to check the questions for repeat questions. There were many repeats. The event lasted about 1 hour and 10 minutes. A rather odd amount, I thought. There was no warning, at 10 after they just went BANG! "We're out of time." At any given time there were at least 40 people present to ask questions. At the peak there were between 80 and 90. There was at least one person in my "row" (the first one, of course) who thought The Church were a religious group like Amy Grant. Steve apparently did all of the typing but Marty was there. Excerpts from the questions: There were plenty of Starfish fans around: Question: I am curious if the new album is more like priest=aura or starfish. Churchlive: Neither. Question: Is your new stuff anything like the Starfish album? Churchlive: Nope. Some people submitted some truly off-the-wall questions: Question: Are any members of the band Jewish? Churchlive: No, we are both uncircumcised. Question: Do you get a lot of girls? Churchlive: Steve has got two daughters and Marty has one. Question: You guys seem to like Hoboken, New Jersey--how come, and any plans on living there? Churchlive: No to both counts. Steve and Marty kept their sanity with some facetious answers: Question: What's an "unguarded moment"? Churchlive: No condom. Question: What is Russel (Kilbey) doing these days? Churchlive: About three grams a day. Question: Steve: Are you interested in ancient cultures? Your music reflects that you might be. Churchlive: Yes, I was Queen Guinevere three life times ago...and Marty eats old yogurt. Question: Are you religious? Churchlive: God knows. Question: Steve: Why did you shave off the beard? Churchlive: Because everybody else had it and that's just the women. Question: Are you guys going to continue as The Church after this album or will you call it quits? Churchlive: What do you think? There were some questions that were actually interesting: Question: What are the chances of a full tour in support of the album? Churchlive: Depends on how the album goes, possible fall tour. Question: Are any of the members still working on solo projects? Churchlive: Yes, Marty working on a band called Never Swallow Stars with two ex-members of All About Eve. Question: Which ex-members of All About Eve? Churchlive: Andy and Mark. Question: Marty: Will you be doing the singing with the new band with ex-All about Eve? Churchlive: Yes. Question: What bands are you guys listening to lately? Churchlive: Aphex Twin, Underground Lovers, Rose Chronicles. Question: What Australian bands should we know about? Ever hear of a band called Clouds? Churchlive: Yea, Clouds are ok...but Kilbey loves Underground Lovers. Question: If you were sent into space and only allowed to bring one CD which one would it be? (You can't include your own) Churchlive: Matching Moles first album (Marty) Beard Of Stars (Steve). Question: What was the inspiration behind "The Disillusionist?' It reminded me of the film "Warlock." Churchlive: Nothing to do with Warlock...more influenced by Something Wicked This Way Comes. Question: Which of you said, "something wicked this way comes"? Who's the Ray Bradbury fan? Churchlive: Kilbey. Question: Are there plans for a CD retrospective with all those "rare" tracks like Busdriver, the stuff from Sing Songs, Unsubstantiated, acoustic stuff, etc? Churchlive: BusDriver will never, never come out; however there are two Austr. albums of rare material 86 Hindsight (double album on EMI), and 91 A Quick Smoke At Spots (CD on Mushroom). Question: Steve: Have you published any more writings other than the Earthed book and the poem in Starfish? Do you plan to publish any more? Churchlive: I have not as yet, but two half finished novels lying around. Question: What happened to JayDee Dougherty--did he quit or was he fired? Churchlive: He was just a hired gun. Question: Steve, What was or are your goals with the band and was the departure of Peter and Richard a friendly one? Churchlive: No goals...Ploog no, Koppes yes. Question: Steve: Narcosis was a long time ago. How about a new solo album? Churchlive: Yea, ok. Question: What do you think about "Alternative" becoming the norm....so to speak? Churchlive: I think that is a good thing.. (Marty) Question: What is your worst concert experience? Churchlive: Toronto...every time. Question: Steve: Really enjoy the Mae Moore album you produced. Anything else from her in future? Churchlive: No..we had a nasty falling out. Question: Was there an actual film behind the "Dome" on Pirest=Aura? Churchlive: Yes, it is a true story, but as I say in the song, I fell asleep and don't know what it was called. Question: How many more lyrics are there to "The Disillusionist" that are faded out into the distance? Churchlive: About four lines. Question: Can you recommend a good Australian beer? Churchlive: Coopers from Adelaide. Question: Steve - does The Crystal Set still exist? If not - what is your brother doing now? Churchlive: No....he is running my studio. Question: On "Heydey," there's a line that refers to "the reptile part of our brain." What's that about? Churchlive: The human brain is made up of various brains evolving one on top of the other. Question: What would you have etched as your epitaph? Churchlive: See you tomorrow. I made sure and submitted a few questions that I had or that people had suggested to me. Some other people asked the same questions or followed mine up: Question: Most people ask you what your favorite singers or bands are. What are some bands that you guys really despise? Churchlive: Richard Marx, Peter Murphy, Soul Asylum, Ace Of Base, AC/DC, and Michael Bolton. Question: Do you think "Ace of Base" being called the "Abba" of the 90's is a sad comment on our generation? Churchlive: We don't like them because one of them was a skinhead. Question: Ok. Does your despise for Peter Murphy carry over to Bauhaus also or just his solo stuff? Churchlive: We met him. Question: Do you differentiate between solo and band songs when writing or use what's available at the time? Churchlive: If we write together, it is a band song. If we write on our own it is a solo song. Question: How important are drugs in the creative process to you? Churchlive: Exceedingly. Question: Why can you not create without drugs? Churchlive: We have no talent. Question: Are there any plans to follow the musical directions hinted at in "Nightmare" and "Fog"? Churchlive: Are you kidding....Marty does not even remember the songs. Question: Steve: could you give us more info about the project with Shayne Carter of Straitjacket Fits? I recall hearing that their last album had a big influence on Priest=Aura. Churchlive: Carter's a flake and do you really think SJF had an influence on us? Question: STARFISH was hugely successful here in the US, but the subsequent albums haven't been received here quite as well. What are some of you guys' literary influences? Churchlive: Camus, Satre, Fournier, Gide and Enid Blyton. The people at America On-line followed the entire event up by putting up a "corrected" version of the session and a GIF of the band a few days later. The text was supposed to be corrected for typos. All I noticed was that the formatting was better than the session-capture I ran. I also noticed that they goofed and left out the answers to 2 questions. All in all, an interesting hour. I certainly would not have paid for it. And I certainly won't be joining America On-line soon. -karl. From ZEPPELIN@ac.dal.ca Thu Jun 9 09:37 PDT 1994 <01HDC9AQRVA8001ODE@SYSWRK.UCIS.DAL.CA>; Thu, 9 Jun 1994 13:38:15 -0400 <01HDC96X86CW00G1RG@AC.DAL.CA>; Thu, 9 Jun 1994 13:37:58 -0300 From: ZEPPELIN@ac.dal.ca Subject: Bonus CD X-Vms-To: IN%"seance@thechurch.ebay.sun.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Well...the new Church CD came out in Canada last week...and I can finally listen to it...However, I was under the impression that the bonus CD was exactly that..a bonus...ie no extra charge. Up here the only CD's I could find with the extra stuff cost 27$ (as compared to 19 regular). Did anyone ouyt there pay more for package? Does Bill from Arista have any info on the costs etc of the CD (s)? pete From ewing@u.washington.edu Thu Jun 9 10:00 PDT 1994 Thu, 9 Jun 94 10:00:43 -0700 From: Andrew W Ewing Subject: Re: Bonus CD Hello everyone, > Well...the new Church CD came out in Canada last week...and I can > finally listen to it...However, I was under the impression that the > bonus CD was exactly that..a bonus...ie no extra charge. Up here the only > CD's I could find with the extra stuff cost 27$ (as compared to 19 regular). > Did anyone ouyt there pay more for package? Does Bill from Arista have any > info on the costs etc of the CD (s)? > pete > Here in Seattle, the regular CD cost $12.99 and the bonus disc was $17.99. Even with the exchange rate, $27 Canadian is steep, that's about $23 dollars USA. Hmmmm. Just curious, we have a fairly international mix of people on the list, what are prices of CD in other countries, please include a rough exchange rate. My roommate stated that in France CD are much more expensive than in the US and was shocked to see mail order companies like BMG and Columbia House giving away 8 CDs for a penny. On to other things: I like the new CD but I will have to give it some more time to see how it ranks. I do think it is an improvement over P=A (A little down for my tastes). Andy Ewing ewing@carson.u.washington.edu From FURSTD@BoysTown.ORG Thu Jun 9 11:26 PDT 1994 From: FURSTD@BoysTown.ORG (DAVID FURST) Subject: narcosis Apparently I am more out of touch than I thought. When and what label was Narcosis? Comments about how was it? Comments on how to get it? WHat other Kilbey solo work besides: remindlessness earthed slow crack? ANyone heard/can comment on margot smith? From powell@Kodak.COM Thu Jun 9 12:33 PDT 1994 Reply-To: powell@Kodak.COM From: powell@Kodak.COM (Richard W. Powell ESD) Cc: I118271@Kodak.COM Subject: review: sa/se I've been saving (and usually not reading) most of the reviews of the new album until I had jotted down my own thoughts. The longer I wait, the more I flip flop... so finally, here's my first shot. (now at least I have something to retract next month.) At the last second, I threw a general grade on each song (great, good, ok, weak, poor, or bad). Now that I've combined my 'thoughts' with 'grades', I see that sometimes I like a weak song, and visa versa. (And I thought I was only a *little* screwed up!). *** SOMETIME, ANYWHERE ************************************************ ...DAY OF THE DEAD (good) Moody, brooding, eerie beat. My first thought was that this was an odd choice to start the album. Now it seems like the only choice. I remember thinking the same thing when I first heard 'going up' at the start of Echo & The Bunnymen's 1st album. This would be a great song to open a scary movie with. ...LOST MY TOUCH (weak) `Zooropa` like. Mellow. Background music. I can't decide if I should describe it as melodic or experimental. Almost like two totally different songs combined. It's also sleep inducing. ...LOVEBLIND (good) Funny, cute, and what's wrong with that? Very nice. This would also sound good done on acoustic only. Musically, it makes me think of the Moody Blues's `To Our Children's Children's Children` album. My 4th choice as a single. ...MY LITTLE PROBLEM (ok) Very slowly builds in intensity. Very VERY slowly. Chorus is great, the rest monotonous. ...THE MAVEN (ok) Very hard to describe. Nothing special. ...ANGELICA (weak) The start of the song screams for attention, then falls apart. I don't usually like instrumentals, but the vocals only hurt this tune. ...LULLABY (ok) Gushes, slushes, almost like a lullaby! People will love it or consider it minor. This could (also) have fit well as the last song on the disc. ...EASTERN (poor) Banjos, dwarfs. corny. silly. I picture midgets dancing on tree stumps. I don't understand the point of it. ...2 PLACES AT ONCE (ok) Ordinary. Anyone could have done this. Kind of catchy. Moderately memorable. Weak choice as a single. I don't know if I like it or not. `I've been waiting...` chorus is the best part. ...BUSINESS WOMAN (great) Sure the Church hate this one - it's great. I love it. Reminds me of `Youth Worshipper` by Hex. Very different topic. Pete Townshend could have been strumming the opening chords. Very catchy tune. Cool song. But do I like it???? Yes. My 1st choice as a single. ...AUTHORITY (great) Obviously the Church. Stands up on its own. My 2nd choice as a single. ...FLY HOME (ok) Pink Floyd from either 'Obscured By Clouds' or 'The Wall'. I like it. ...DEAD MAN'S DREAM (good) Monotonous, yet pleasing sounds. Reminiscent of Todd Rundgren's `healing` album. Although this really appeals to me, I think many listeners will think it's nothing special. *** SOMEWHERE ELSE *********************************************** ...DROUGHT (good) Intense. I like it. I'm glad they found it. Snappy beat. Would have fit well on Starfish. ...TIME BEING (great) Was this a poem from Kilbey's 'earthed' booklet? (I keep forgetting to look, but the title sounds familiar). Sounds fantastic me. The beginning made me think of `Omega Man` by the Police. I don't know why I like this song. For that reason, I have no idea why this would be my 5th choice as a single (even though it's from the bonus disc). ...LEAVE YOUR CLOTHES ON (great) I love this. Has it all: beat, pace, vocals, lyrics, blah blah blah, and its very different. Sums up the whole disc. My #3 choice as single. ...CUT IN TWO (ok) Cutting guitar. Uplifting. I'll bet this would be great at full tilt live with a band. ...MYTHS YOU MADE (weak) Typical Willson-Piper. Sounds like it might be a good song, only its muffled and cluttered. If you like him - you'll like this. Why do Marty's songs usually sound like they weren't mixed well (Church & solo)? ...FREEZE TO BURN (good) That Zooropa thing again. 'Lost My Touch's big brother. Memorable, fun. ...MACABRE TAVERN (poor) Drags on too long. Mumbling, weird sounds, rumbles. How can anyone pluck the same notes for so long? I'm sure I've heard something just like this from Kilbey before... *** FINAL (hah) THOUGHTS ********************************************* Although I tried, I couldn't compare most of this disc to anything I've heard before. ...The focus seems to have been on the lyrics, and they include a lot of humor. ...It's hard to guess the song titles from the lyrics. ...Although the disc features a lot of repetitive and monotonous sounds, this entire collection of songs work very well together. Only about five of them sound good on their own. ...In recent years, Peter Koppes must have been keeping Kilbey in check. ...Although I was a bit surprised by the new sound, now it seems like a logical progression for the band. It confirms my thinking that these guys are too creative to sit still. When I consider all 100 minutes of music, it averages out to `ok`. If I look at the best 50 minutes, it's around good/great. I'd rather take it all and pick my own favorites. I feel the same way about Kilbey's `Re-mindlessness`. And when I consider Tom Petty`s first LP (@30 mins) and The Rolling Stones double LP `Exile On Main Street` (@60 mins), I suppose this must be an epic! Oh yeah, ...and monkeys will fly out of my butt, the day 5 singles are released from this album! Dick (powell@kodak.com) PS: Now I'm going to collect key comments from previous reviews that I still have, and insert them into a single 'collage' for redistribution soon. I think it will be interesting to see so many different opinions all next to each other. From mrgreen@mame.mu.OZ.AU Thu Jun 9 15:43 PDT 1994 Cc: SEANCE@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Subject: Re: narcosis <592916@BoysTown.ORG> From: matthew green >Apparently I am more out of touch than I thought. When and what label was >Narcosis? Comments about how was it? Comments on how to get it? WHat other >Kilbey solo work besides: remindlessness earthed slow crack? ANyone heard/can >comment on margot smith? narcosis was released on red eye some time ago. it is definately the coolest 23 minutes of music i own. i completely adore it. getting it now... well, that might be a bit tricky seeing it's no longer made.. steve has also done `unearthed', his first album. this is also brilliant. margot is brilliant, too, for that matter. .mrg. From john.brownosullivan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Fri Jun 10 04:45 PDT 1994 X-Sender: ou005076@brandywine.otago.ac.nz From: john.brownosullivan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (John Brown-O'Sullivan) Subject: About Karl's Online transcript Karl, Thanks heaps for sending the Online stuff. I found it interesting, amusing and a little sad - it hardly seems like a medium that lends itself to meaningful discussion. All those drips who want another Starfish! It's a shame Kilbey's answers were mostly flippant. Has anyone heard any of the bands he mentioned? Interesting that 'the Disillusionist' was inspired by 'Something Wicked This Way Comes' - that's a cool book. SK has shown a bit of a taste for fantasy in most of his songs, and I wonder if he reads a lot of it. I wouldn't mind knowing a little more about the books he's writing - will they ever be published, or even finished for that matter, I wonder. If JDD was just a hired gun, more fools them. His drumming on P=A was the coolest ever - it makes Ploog's GAF stuff sound like shit, and will do the same for the drum machine beats on SA too, I'm sure. I'm not surprised Marty doesn't remember 'Nightmare' or 'Fog' - I would wager $100 he had nothing to do with them. 'Nightmare' has wierd keyboards and 1 guitar, 'Fog' has 3 heavy-feedback guitars, and they all sound like Peter. A shame, really, considering that they are two of the best songs the Church have done... Shayne Carter is not a flake! And in the NZ add for P=A, SK stated that he chose the producer (name escapes me) because he liked the work he did on SJF's 'Melt'. John p.s. does anyone know how to get hold of 'Jokes, Magic & Souvenirs' as a CD from LP King Tut Records? From Vernon_Harmon@PROBACTO.SOAR.CS.CMU.EDU Fri Jun 10 08:55 PDT 1994 10 Jun 94 11:54:39 EDT From: Vernon_Harmon@PROBACTO.SOAR.CS.CMU.EDU Subject: Re: The Church - Sometime Anywhere This was sent to alt.music.alternative. I thought I'd send a copy here in case anybody wants to comment. --Vernon. ------------------BEGIN INCLUDED MESSAGE----------------- >I'd like an opinion: My favorite Church albums are STARFISH (one >of my favorite albums. Period) and HEYDAY. I like the >Pre-HEYDAY/STARTFISH more than the post-H/S stuff. Given >that, should I get the new album? Tough call. SA+SE (I consider it one release because if you buy the CD you *MUST* buy the EP with it -- some of the best stuff is on the EP) doesn't really fit tightly into any one category. Here's a run-down: Sometime Anywhere 1) Day of the Dead. Throbbing bass line from SK. Cool lyrics. Great chorus. This is much like pre-Heyday Church, only not so jangly. 2) Lost My Touch. Everyone says this sounds like U2's Zooropa. Why? Because SK "speaks" the verses through a megaphone, and the verses are rather rap-like (short, rhyming phrases). Great chorus, though. It doesn't really sound like Zooropa, but that's the closest comparison. 3) Loveblind. Ahh. A little off-the-wall story from SK. Interesting little ditty with SK playing the part of a detective looking for a woman's husband. The husband has no face. This has an interesting Spanish-guitar-type sound. I've been told it sounds like an SK solo, but it reminds a bit of Starfish. 4) My Little Problem. This, IMO, is very Starfish. SK and some guitars (occasionally some drums for effect). 5) The Maven. I don't know why, but I just haven't been able to get into this song. As someone described it: "The Disillusionist's little brother." This sounds like a P=A cut most definitely, but missing that touch of brilliance that the really good songs on P=A have. This isn't a bad song, it just doesn't catch me (and it's been about 3 weeks now). 6) Angelica. This is the big experimental track: hip-hop, tape loops, repetitive vocals. I thikn it works very well. Others don't. This, IMO, has no comparison with anything the Church have ever done. 7) Lullaby. Very minimalist -- SK without much accompaniment. Very short, very nice. This sounds to me like it could be on Starfish. 8) Eastern. Instrumental. It's aptly named, but it has a really neat violin/fiddle solo in it. It's a cool song, but many people don't think it belongs on this CD (I'm not one of them). 9) 2 Places At Once. I expect you've heard this by now. 10) Business Woman. A "typical poppy" Church song. Jangly guitars, breathy vocals. Very melodic. 11) Authority. Another "typical poppy" Church song. This is the "old" Church, with their jangly guitars. This sounds very Heyday/pre-Heyday to me. 12) Fly Home. Some people have said this sounds like a Pink Floyd song when it starts. It takes a while to get started, but IMO it's worth it. Very "ethereal" Church piece (mostly Marty). Not much guitar on the verses, but great soaring and crunchy guitars on the choruses. 13) The Dead Man's Dream. Very ethereal. Very cool. A song about what a guy remembers after he dies. Somewhere Else (I keep wanting to call it *Someplace* Else...oh, well) 1) Drought. This is the "lost track" with SK, MWP, PK and Ploog on it. I can't figure this one out. Most of the people on Seance really like this song but don't like GAFix. However, this sounds to me like it could be on GAFix. I dunno, but I like it. 2) The Time Being. Some people think the lyrics sound familiar -- they might be from one of SK's poems. Remotely Starfish-y. 3) Leave Your Clothes On. A song about astral projection. Distorted vocals. Great guitar work. 4) Cut In Two. Incredible overlapping guitars and vocals. This one kicks! Probably my favorite song on both discs. Not so much "ethereal" as pounding (hmm. how can it be both? it's the Church! :D) 5) The Myths You Made. A Marty song. I've been told this is "typical Marty" but I only have Spirit Level so I can't vouch for that. This is a "majestic" rock song. I like it. 6) Freeze To Burn. Another "Zooropa-ish" tune. This one has some really awesome guitar-work from Marty, though. Loud and crunchy. 7) Macabre Tavern. Instrumental. Kinda reminds me of "The Golden Dawn" with all the whispering in the background -- this one has Steve and Marty saying all kinds of things overlapping so you can't really understand any of it. My impression is this is supposed to sound like you're inside a tavern and you can only make out little snippets of conversation. You know what I mean? So there you go. I heartily recommend the album. I hope that helps you make your decisison! --Vernon. From mosk Fri Jun 10 08:59 PDT 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: About Karl's Online transcript > From john.brownosullivan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Fri Jun 10 04:45:24 1994 > > Karl, > > Thanks heaps for sending the Online stuff. I found it interesting, amusing > and a little sad - it hardly seems like a medium that lends itself to > meaningful discussion. All those drips who want another Starfish! It's a > shame Kilbey's answers were mostly flippant. Flippant? I thought they were great! I mean, what kind of question is "Do you get a lot of girls?" and "Why did you shave off your beard?" It's like people asking you "Did you get a haircut?" (I always answer "I actually got several hairs cut...") Maybe I'm just as flippant.... :-) And I loved Kilbey's comment about Peter Murphy... :-) > Has anyone heard any of the bands he mentioned? The Clouds, yes! They're brilliant...(Hi mrg). Aphex Twin, Underground Lovers, Rose Chronicles - no (but I may check them out now... :) Matching Mole was an old UK "early art / progressive rock" band (I believe) in the vein of Soft Machine and the likes. I believe Marty listens to a lot of this type of music, and old german bands like Can, Amon Duul and Kraftwerk. "Beard of Stars" was the last (I think) album T.Rex released as Tyrannosaurus Rex and as an acoustic folk band. And I though their next album "T.Rex" was his favorite... At least that's where he picks up all his T.Rex cover songs...(and it's a great album, btw) > wouldn't mind knowing a little more about the books he's writing - will > they ever be published, or even finished for that matter, I wonder. I believe he has had a couple of short stories published, on of which someon on the list posted a while back.... I'll look through the "Akashic Records" and repost it for new members.... > I'm not surprised Marty doesn't remember 'Nightmare' or 'Fog' - I would > wager $100 he had nothing to do with them. 'Nightmare' has wierd keyboards > and 1 guitar, 'Fog' has 3 heavy-feedback guitars, and they all sound like > Peter. A shame, really, considering that they are two of the best songs the > Church have done... Yes, they are superb songs, but I don't agree with you that they sound like Peter... The playing (especially on Fog) has Marty written all over it... Peter _never_ had that much energy... :-) Just listen to Marty's work with All About Eve...It's very similar... > John > > p.s. does anyone know how to get hold of 'Jokes, Magic & Souvenirs' as a CD > from LP King Tut Records? I don't think this was ever released as a cd. The only cd release to my knowledge is "Alive On The Milky Way".... -morten From seance Fri Jun 10 09:05 PDT 1994 From: seance (Mailing list for the Church) Subject: SEANCE ARCHIVES: Steve Kilbey story. ----- Begin Included Message ----- From s932544@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU Wed Aug 4 21:07 PDT 1993 From: s932544@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU (MrBuDGiE) Subject: Steve Kilbey story. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ok, here's a short story from a local mag called 'Nocturnal Submissions' (Issue #2). There appeared another story by SK in # 1, but, unfortunately, the mag isn't in stock from the editors or any small bookshops that i've been to. The address for Nocturnal Submissions is: Nocturnal Submissions P.O. Box 553 Carlton South Victoria 3053 Australia The mag cost about $5(AU). 2 issue Subscriptions are available for : $10(AU) Aust. subscribers. $12(AU) bank draft for o/seas subscribers. - Hope you enjoy the story Andrew.. ----[cut here ]---------------------------- The Singer and His Voice. There was once an incredibly handsome young man who was persecuted by the ambition to sing like a bird. His sheer beauty sustained him through adequate performances and he gradually attracted a devoted coterie of women who were enamoured by his vague grey eyes and the curve of his jaw. His voice was bland and devoid of resonance, although he could hit his notes without much trouble, but as for timbre or vibrato he had none, and worse still, he could invest no experience or weight behind the pallid interpretations he offered his audience that crowded into the tiny nightclub where he sand ( on Tuesday and Thursday nights). So they gazed at his lovely face and ignored his dull singing. After each show people crowded into his meagre dressing room just wanting to look and be taken with his grace and gentle demeanour. Women flirted entranced while husbands sulked in the doorway. Bunches of exotic flowers arrived from strangers and the manager of the club smelt money. None of this meant anything to the singer. Convinced of his own mediocrity, the praise and attention only served to mildly irk him. He felt talentless. He attended singing lessons in an apartment above the High Street where he and his teacher pointlessly went over the scales and exercise intended to improve breathing and pitch. But both secretly knew that these methods would never enhance his rather ordinary throat. Finally, despite growing attendances and the adulation of several of the city's richest and most desirable women he packed a suitcase and slipped out of town unannounced. On a barge he drifted down a big brown river past fields of wheat and gently modulating hills where a weak winter sun struggled behind gathering clouds. The owner of the barge, who preferred the comp[any of man to women, was fascinated with his passenger and spent much time watching him and attempting to engage him in conversation. And once, late at night after several glasses of wine, the singer offered to sing for him, to pass the time. The barge-owner, imagining some rich baritone or sweet tenor emanating from his guest, agreed immediately and leaned back in his chair and closed his eyes, but after two verses he fell asleep and soon was snoring loudly. The next morning, still insulted, the singer disembarked at a small town on a bend in the river and walked the quiet streets looking for lodgings. For a while he stayed in a spare room out the back of a bookshop, and - in return for his board - worked long dark rainy afternoons, serving the occasional customer and reading the books. At first he skimmed through poetry, short stories, or the odd biography. Sometimes he would just browse through encyclopedias and atlases, beginning to acquire some new sense of the world and its inhabitants. One day he found the old grammar of a 19th century magician called Erskine, the pages still crisp and legible, each illustrated with bizarre diagrams and symbols. He pondered much on a chapter which gave advice on how to summon up and capture one's own little devil, some minor demon who might be compelled to do one's bidding and that sort of thing. so he took the book to his room, and at midnight he picked it up and ("as if by magic" he thought rather naively) it fell open to the section to which he was particularly interested. The page was stained yellow by moonlight. PERTAINING TO THE INVOCATION OF ASTAROTH It must be a full moon. inside a circle of black chalk set a goblet of red whine to which has been added a lizard's tear and the sweat of a hanged man, also the powdered root of a hawthorn. Frankincense should be burned. Half the mixture should be drunk and the other half sprinkled liberally around the room. A pinch of turmeric and the crushed skull of a still-born goat should be thrown on the flame. chant the demon's name starting in a whisper and progressing to a scream. Continue for 3 hours and then cut the throats of the two black rats spilling the blood inside the circle. This should be sufficient. As the morning star was rising, sure enough, in an armchair in the window a figure began to fade up into existence: a small, dark, wrinkled man sitting quite naked watching him. Eventually he broke the silence. "Ah, it's a better voice you'll be wanting now, is it?" The voice was velvet. It carried a strange foreign accent. The singer blanched. "Er...I was hoping..." "Hoping, now, was you?" The demon sniffed the pungent stale air of the room and motioned to the mess on the floor. "That's a funny sort of hope indeed, I'd say now" The singer shuddered. "Yes...well I hadn't really ex...", his voice trailed off in disbelief. "Hadn't expected the spell to actually work now, hadn't you? Hell! I'd love a soul for every time I've heard that since the beginning, yes the sad and wonderful beginning when the gorgeous Lord Lucifer cast that bastard out of Hell and upwards into the infernal ether." "Oh praise that vile and damned day", the demon went on. "And suck the corpses of the good and honest out of the dark earth and into the terrifying sky, where they roam in horror, castrated of their will and lovely evil." The demon glared at him with angry little eyes and licked its black lips. The singer shuddered again; he backed away slowly towards the door. "Ssss...thought it was the other way round now, didn't you? Yes indeed, you did now, didn't you?" his eyes grew even nastier. "You've disturbed me in the middle of some very delicious and pleasurable business, and, fuck a dead angel boy, I'm going to peel the skin off your flesh and lick you with my pretty, black tongue." Astaroth giggled a soft girlish giggle and uncrossed and recrossed his hairy legs. The singer suddenly bolted for the door, but it was fast and firmly jammed. "Leaving so soon now, are you?" the demon crooned, and stretched out his wicked hands, and as if by a magnet, drew the singer towards him and then brought him to his knees without touching him, inches away from his face. "It's alright. I'm not really going to hurt you." The demons breath stank. He stifled the reflex to vomit. "I'll teach you how to have a beautiful voice, you little stupid. Though there's no magic in it now, is there? Yes a beautiful voice like mine, indeed like my very own." The singer had to admit to himself that the demon did actually have a wonderful and musical voice. And then in the form of a song with the most strange and exquisite melody, Astaroth began. The words were ancient, unfamiliar, yet the singer understood them perfectly. "First you must smoke. You must smoke tobacco, moss, hashish, opium, the bones of women, anything, but you must smoke. This will give you Resonance." "Then you must fuck. You must fuck night and day, and imbibe all the salty and rancid liquids, and absorb the pus from pimples, blisters and chancres, and breathe the steam given off by bodies. And this will give you Pitch." "And then you must drink. You must drink beer and whisky and absinthe and piss and blood and sea-water and the curdled milk of foxes. you must drink from filthy puddles and from ostentatious cups. you must drink turpentine and oil and the stuff that oozes from the stem of a dead lilly. and this will give you Depth." "And then you must kill. You must kill children and enemies and beetles and deer. You must kill whales and ant-colonies and lovers and herd of horses. You must kill cities and rivers and queen bees. And this will give you Timbre." "And then you must eat. You must eat bread and iron and jellies and birdshit and holy wafers and rye which is diseased with ergot. And you must eat pig and dove and pineapples and the eyes of sharks and offal and the feet of dogs and the breasts of monkeys. You must eat lion's balls and the flowers that grow around graves. This will give you Range." "And then you must scream and you must gurgle and you must cough until your throat bleeds raw. And you must choke and you must spit and you must shout the most disgusting curses until you're hoarse and sore. And you must shriek and simper and grunt like a swine. And this will give you Control." "And then you must suffer. You must suffer pain and much more pain and loathing and ulcers and grief, heartbreaking grief, and tumours and wounds and scalds and burns and warts and cuts and bruises and festering sores that never heal, and blows about the head and insulting remarks from the mob. And this will give you confidence." The demon finished his song abruptly and sat back in the chair snorting out little puffs of smoke from his nostrils. And then he laughed and vanished. The singer went forth into the world, and practised all his lessons faithfully and to the letter. And after many many years he possessed a voice of silver; a haunting, warm, soft, deep voice that hung suspended in the air and lingered in the corners of rooms and wafted and sighed and floated like a dream. He eventually booked himself a show at the old nightclub and most of the old crowd turned up to see the return of their prodigal singer. And he came on stage and the deep melancholy voice, husky and soothing drifted around the room as if an enchantment was in the smoky air. But no one heard anything at all of this splendid and magical singing. His former sycophants groaned in horror at the bloated repugnant wreck he had become, and they angrily demanded their money back. Hounded out of the town by indignant city officials who were outraged by his wretched appearance, he ended up in a ditch three miles thence, and he lay in the warm night, still singing. And the beasties of the fields and forests crept out from their lairs and hiding places gathered to bask in this voice most wondrous, and would do him no harm. But alas, one day he was fatally mauled by a deaf bear. Steve Kilbey. ----[ end of file ]------------------------ ----- End Included Message ----- From matthew.blair@afrc.ac.uk Fri Jun 10 09:45 PDT 1994 Content-Identifier: 118652DE2200 From: BLAIRM Subject: more babbling from me Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Andy writes : > ..what are prices of CD in other countries, please include a rough exchange rate. Well, I'm afraid I'm not up on international exchange rates, so please excuse my ignorance. The general price of CD's in Scotland is, in my view, too high. A CD can cost anywhere between 10 pounds and 15 pounds, with imports climbing as high as 30 pounds. I personally paid 21 pounds for SA/SE on import, and tho' it was worth it, I can't afford to do that too often ! At the moment I'm attempting to 'replace' all my church vinyls with CD, which isn't too difficult from STARFISH onwards, but any earlier...Thankfully a friend of mine was working in the States for a time, and brought back REMOTE LUXURY, HEYDAY, and OF SKINS AND HEART for me. OSAH is impossible to get on vinyl here, but THE CHURCH was easy enough to find (2nd hand). > .. I do think it is an improvement over P=A (A little down for my tastes). Whaaaatttt !!??? P=A down !? Never ! P=A is one of the coolest albums by any band, at least any I've heard. And if the tempo isn't exactly up, the lyrical humour content is. _AND_ 'CHAOS' and 'THE DISILLUSIONIST' are both very high in my top ten fav songs. Speaking of top tens, how about anybody else's 10 fav church songs ? Here's mine : 1. A Different Man 2. Disillusionist 3. Grind 4. Chaos 5. Electric Lash 6. Tantalized 7. Reptile 8. Almost With You 9. Unguarded Moment 10. It's No Reason Believe me, it was a _difficult_ choice, and I had to leave a lot out :-( There's no tracks from SA/SE on yet, as I'm still coming to terms with it. Tho' standouts are 'The Maven', 'Angelica', and 'Freeze to Burn'. Matt Blair. Edinburgh Scotland. From Vernon_Harmon@PROBACTO.SOAR.CS.CMU.EDU Fri Jun 10 10:54 PDT 1994 10 Jun 94 13:55:08 EDT From: Vernon_Harmon@PROBACTO.SOAR.CS.CMU.EDU Subject: interesting Hmm. I was just listening to P=A and something interesting happened. As the final strains of Film were dying out my mind immediately made a connection with Angelica. I'm going to try programming my CD player tonight to play the two back-to-back and see what happens. That would be an interesting mix: Film becomes Angelica! Hmm... --Vernon. From mosk Fri Jun 10 11:04 PDT 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: interesting > From Vernon_Harmon@PROBACTO.SOAR.CS.CMU.EDU Fri Jun 10 10:54:49 1994 >> be an interesting mix: Film becomes Angelica! Hmm... > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > --Vernon. > NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! This is sacriligious, Vernon!!! :-) -m From mosk Fri Jun 10 11:10 PDT 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Discography It's official..... The up-to-date discography is now available anytime via auto-reply. Just send a message to church-discography.EBay.Sun.COM and within minutes (depending on your link of course) you can get the latest and greatest. Btw, no subject and no message-body is needed, all it cares about is your return address.... Happy disc'ing... (blah) -m (now if someone could explain to me how to set up an archive site, we may be home free... :-) From dwohlfor@sisters.cs.uoregon.edu Fri Jun 10 13:22 PDT 1994 From: dwohlfor@sisters.cs.uoregon.edu Subject: Online Interview Oh no! Was this sent to the list? I don't think it ever ended up in my mailbox. The progenitor of this transcript seems to be someone named Karl. Karl, if you're out there, could you please forward a copy to: dwohlfor@cs.uoregon.edu I would be very grateful. Now, to make sure this isn't a horrible waste of bandwidth to everyone else on the list, I'll include a bit on SK. Remember the opening pages for the book included in Earthed? Well, he makes reference to "all the giants" being dead and the Elohim not walking the earth anymore. This implies to me that he has read both trilogies of _The_Chronicals_of_Thomas_Covenant,_the Unbeliever, by Stephen Donaldson. These books are, IMHO, an epic work of fantasy/philosophy/theology. Just makes me think Steve is that much more cool that he enjoys the same literature that I do. dave From rcr@u.washington.edu Fri Jun 10 13:50 PDT 1994 Fri, 10 Jun 94 13:50:29 -0700 From: Rhonda Corcoran Subject: Church Interview (fwd) I was thumbing through some old e-mail files and found this interview in there... -morten ----- Begin Included Message ----- >From aus.music Fri May 1 14:44:04 1992 Following is the interview with the Church that started this mess in aus.music. If you want to complain typos, you can type it in youself next time ;-) The Church Enigma ----------------- Sunday Telegraph, April 19, 1992 By Ed St. John. Reprinted sans permission. Church's early goals were simple. "When we started out we were just four teenagers who didn't know much, " recalls singer Steve Kilbey. "We certainly couldn't play our instruments very well. We just wanted to have fun, go out, and meet girls." This year marks the 12th anniversary for the Sydney band, making them one of the longest surviving outfits still working in Australia today. In the intervening years they have released seven albums and three EPs, selling almost 2 million records (mainly in Europe and America). The band members - particularly Kilbey and guitarists Peter Koppes and Marty Wilson-Piper - have also engaged in a dazzling array of sideline projects, including solo albums, production work and songwriting projects. They've always stood well to the left of centre with their dreamy, often surreal music, but they've also demonstrated a knack for writing occasional hit records. Its a fragile and unusual combination, but it appears to work. "For most of our career we've just basically drifted along being relatively unsuccessful and randomly making records," says Kilbey. "We probably would have gone on like that if we hadn't recorded an album called Starfish that went and sold a lot of copies in America." Starfish, released in 1988, was a major world-wide hit thanks to the classic single Under the Milky Way. The albums unexpected success had a negative effect on the band's equilibrium, however, and the follow-up album (1990's Gold Afternoon Fix) was far less potent. "I'd always imagined that success would bring a certain freedom," says Kilbey, "but all it did was to bring more pressure. Suddenly I had all these people whispering in my ear. We started having meetings with hundreds of big-name producers, and then we finally went and made a record that took far too long and was laboured over too much. "It was a very ordinary Church-by-the-numbers record that we then had to spend two years travelling around the world promoting. By the time we finished I'd had plenty of time to think about things and figure out what we wanted to do." The Church has spent most of the past six months recording their latest offering in Sydney. The album carries a typically bizarre title, Priest Aura, and features some of the best music this enigmatic band has recorded. "With this album we felt as if the constraints had been cut. We went back to playing the way we wanted to play," says Kilbey. "The title of the album is basically a nonsense thing. I was in Spain, and I was signing an autograph for a girl when I saw what I though was Priest Aura written in her exercise book. I don't think it said that, but the words just stuck. "It turned into a bit of a joke while we were making the album, and then we reached a point where it was the only thing the album could be called." Kilbey, who writes all of the Church's lyrics, cheerfully admits that not all his lyrics make absolute sense. As a lyricist, he's more than comfortable with pulling strange ideas out of the air without too much concious thought. "I'm like a conductor for nonsense - but I might add that I think there is often meaning in nonsense. If someone said they found my lyrics incredibly meaningful they'd be just as right as someone who said they were utter garbage. They'd both be right." With a new drummer, American Jay Dee Daugherty, The Church are gearing up for a busy 1992 involving extensive promotional work and a tour planned for July. If the music on Priest Aura is anything to go by, the band may yet get another stab at lucrative international success. "I think what's happening at this point in the band's history is that we've really learnt how to play and how to improvise. Football teams can't stay together for 12 years because people retire or get injured all the time, but a band can stay together and just get better and better." ---End of Interview--- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stephen Nicholson stephen@wampyr.cc.uow.oz.au NorTel Technology Centre Wollongong University "I was hired and fired but never inspired, flattering chattering words to impress me" - 'Tantalized', The Church ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- End Included Message ----- From PSLAKE@SUVM.SYR.EDU Fri Jun 10 16:41 PDT 1994 Fri, 10 Jun 94 19:41:41 LCL From: PSLAKE@SUVM.SYR.EDU Hey, whoever it was who posted Steve Kilbey's story, I didn't get all of it. My account chops messages off after a certain length. I'd really like the whole thing, though. I thought it was pretty good, what I read of it, and now I've been left hanging! Would it be possible for whoever posted it to send me it in sections? I'd really appreciate it!!! I was cut off at the section beginning with the demon saying, "And then you must drink"...Thanks poster's address. (If it's any trouble, tell me, ok?) -Dave From PSLAKE@SUVM.SYR.EDU Fri Jun 10 16:46 PDT 1994 Fri, 10 Jun 94 19:46:33 LCL From: PSLAKE@SUVM.SYR.EDU Hey, did anybody who has the "Goldfish, Jokes,..." video notice that "Drought" is the song that Kilbey's adding lyrics to in that in-between songs bit, in the studio? At least, I think that's it. I'd always wondered what it was he was recording in that scene. -Dave From gsa@panix.com Fri Jun 10 17:33 PDT 1994 From: Gary Assa Subject: Re: About Karl's Online transcript Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Does nayone think Tantalized was inspired by William Gibson's Neuromancer? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- * The first thing we do let's kill all the lawyers _Shakespeare * ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From U23500@UICVM.UIC.EDU Fri Jun 10 17:36 PDT 1994 From: Mefisto in Onyx Subject: Aphex Twin Re the groups that Kilbey is currently listening to, all i can add is that i know that the Aphex Twin (singular, one person) is a highly acclaimed (within the genre at least) rave artist...for those of you who do not know what rave is, i cannot decribe it, but ANGELICA is obviously influenced by it...rave IS an offshoot of techno... later, y'all Mefisto | When inward life dtries up, when feeling decreases and apath increases, | | when one cannot affect or even genuinely touch another person, violence | | flares up as a daimonic necessity for contact, a mad drive forcing contact | | in the most direct way possible. -Rollo May, LOVE AND WILL | | High in the bloody sky, the Deathbird circled. -Harlan Ellison, DEATHBIRD | From powell@Kodak.COM Sat Jun 11 12:17 PDT 1994 Reply-To: powell@Kodak.COM From: powell@Kodak.COM (Richard W. Powell ESD) Cc: I118271@Kodak.COM Subject: re: narcosis >DAVE: > Apparently I am more out of touch than I thought. When and what label > was Narcosis? Comments about how was it? Comments on how to get it? > WHat other Kilbey solo work besides: remindlessness earthed slow > crack? ANyone heard/can comment on margot smith? If you like the music on "Earthed" and the original eight songs on "The Slow Crack" CD, then I think you'll like the "This Asphalt Eden" and "Fireman" EPs, as well as the "Unearthed" album (one of my personal favorites). If you liked the "experimental" stuff on the "Remindlessness" and "Priest=Aura" albums, then I'll bet you'll like the "Narcosis" EP. If you enjoyed the more mainstream things from the "Remindlessness" CD, you'll probably like the 2 LP-only songs on the "No Such Thing" EP ("Random Pan" & "Pain In My Temples"). Personally, I like both of the Hex albums (Hex & Vast Halos). Very nice albums with all the vocals done by Donnette Thayer. Music is definitely "Kilbey". About half the songs on "Jack Frost" are written/sung by Kilbey". I like the whole disc. Sadly, I haven't been able to find Curious (Yellow), Mae Moore, or Margot Smith. But before you take my advice, remember, I'm one of those flakes whose favorite tracks on the new Church CD are "Business Woman", "Authority", "Time Being", and "Leave Your Clothes On". have fun, Dick (powell@kodak.com) From powell@Kodak.COM Sat Jun 11 12:35 PDT 1994 Reply-To: powell@Kodak.COM From: powell@Kodak.COM (Richard W. Powell ESD) Cc: I118271@Kodak.COM Subject: discog I haven't been able to retrieve the discog via e-mail to church-discography.ebay.sun.com. Has anyone else tried? -Dick (powell@kodak.com) From bove@goethite.geo.cornell.edu Sat Jun 11 12:39 PDT 1994 From: "Dan Bove" Subject: discography yeah, i tried and couldnt get it either... dan From wimmer@anthro.utah.edu Sat Jun 11 13:35 PDT 1994 From: Matt Wimmer Sender: Matt Wimmer Reply-To: Matt Wimmer Subject: Review of Salt Lake show Ok, it rocked. This will be a very short review, but it was the best show I've ever been to. Opened with whatever it is they're opening this tour, finished with a Neil Young cover. Played killer versions of Providence and Tristesse. My Little Problem and Two Places at Once were the only ones off sometime anywhere played. They played the Tower Theater, which is SLC's one and only art house, and had "A Streetcar Named Desire" playing on the screen behind them. That was actually kind of cool, though distracting at times. Show was about an hour, they played Myrrh, Shadow Cabinet, Under the Milky Way, Will I Start to Bleed, and others that I can't remember just now. Marty is incredible on 12 string! When they came on for the encore set, I yelled "maybe these boys!" and got a grin out of Marty. After the show, about 20 die hard fans bailed out back to the parking lot to try and get autographs. Steve was morose, sat in a van, and only signed about three. According to him, new jack frost out about christmas. He took off, and Marty stuck around and talked with people for about an hour. Don't count on a full tour-- Steve has apparently had it with the tour so far, isn't really enjoying himself, and they need to sell a lot of records to do it, something I just don't think is going to happen with Sometime Anywhere. Anyway, killer show, the audience was mostly fans, and totally crazy. Marty liked it. From mosk Sat Jun 11 13:57 PDT 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: discog > From powell@Kodak.COM Sat Jun 11 12:35:36 1994 > > I haven't been able to retrieve the discog via e-mail to > church-discography.ebay.sun.com. Has anyone else tried? > > -Dick (powell@kodak.com) > Sun had some internal mailing problems yesterday. I am being told that they are fixed now. Please try again.... Also, I have shortened the address a tad (I tend to be keyboard-happy :) The new address is discog@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM -morten From mosk Sat Jun 11 15:49 PDT 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Some munchies..... :-) I picked this up from rec.music.reviews.... I think it's worth reading... Also, I did a couple of postings to alt.music.alternative for those of you who are interested.... And I'm hoping to get to my "official" review sometime this weekend.... -morten ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Subject: REVIEW REVIEW :Subject THE CHURCH Sometime Anywhere Arista/BMG SWELL 41 pSycho-sPecific/American/Warner by ERIN HAWKINS Not content to just sit back producing records for nice Canadian girls, Steve Kilbey has rounded up his mates (this time, all who's left is guitarist Marty Willson-Piper) to create the best Church album of all time. Yes, even better than 1992's Priest=Aura! And if that's not an endorsement, I don't know what is. Sometimes Anywhere is the ultimate artistic indulgence. The layers of guitar effects, drum loops and obtuse lyrics they only dabbled with in the past for the sake of a solid pop tune, have finally crashed over the safety barricade, into the land of obscurity. This time around, they've spared no expenses: Middle-Eastern sounding string arrangements ("Eastern"), spooky, hypnotic percussion ("Day Of The Dead") and schmaltzy lounge music ("Loveblind") -- not to mention all the atmospheric disco on the seven-track bonus EP (only available on the first 500 copies). It's unfortunate that being a fan of the English language automatically labels you a pretentious art phague, but that's never stopped Kilbey from mixing the sublime with the ridiculous. As pathetic as it sounds, I've learned more about Greek mythology from Kilbey's lyrics than all my high-school classics courses put together. It's hard to speculate what Sometimes Anywhere is a product of. Did they pull out all the stops because their contract is running down, and it would be their last chance to make an album with all that Arista money? Or was it a simple case of "We could die in a plane crash tomorrow, let's do what we want"? We'll never know. I'm certain the only thing Kilbey allows to invade his head space is really good weed. But knowing kills all the intrigue anyway. (Like the time I saw Bryan Ferry on Lifestyles Of The Rich And Famous. You don't know how upsetting it is seeing him in ugly shorts and running shoes, flipping hamburgers with his kiddies at his beach house in the South Pacific. You don't want to see him spending quality time with the family when he's supposed to be smoking a Silk Cut in an airport with that just-rolled-out-of-bed-with-a-supermodel look. I guess reality really does bite.) Though not nearly as lavish as Sometimes Anywhere, San Francisco's Swell are still cruising a similar frontier of esoterica and cryptography with their follow-up to last year's top-notch Well. The new album, 41, doesn't clobber you over the head like its predecessor did. It's far more subtle and the only way you can really enjoy it is if you take it under your wing for a couple of weeks and let it soak in. 41 is so understated that it's creepy. There's this real eerie whistling at the beginning of "Don't Give" that emits this bad vibe, like having your car break down in the middle of the night miles from nowhere. There's also Dave Freel's voice, which saunters beside his slide guitar so slowly and hypnotically that you almost forget how utterly indecipherable his lyrics are. This is the best lie-down-with-the-lights-off music I've heard all year. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From john.brownosullivan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Sat Jun 11 16:04 PDT 1994 X-Sender: ou005076@brandywine.otago.ac.nz From: john.brownosullivan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (John Brown-O'Sullivan) Subject: Thomas Covenant, the Unbeliever In reply to what Dave said about SK's possible attachment for the above: The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant, the Unbeliever, are just about the best thing ever written. I think they blow Lord of the Rings away! (altho maybe not the Silmarillion, which is a very different kind of book). Offhand, the only series I can think of which matches TC for sheer epicness is (and here comes a shameless plug) 'Chronicles of an Age of Darkness' by Hugh Cook (a NZer, like me). These run to 10 books and over 4000 pages - and he was going to do more, but those bastards at Corgi wouldn't renew his contract. Anyway... I just about grew up with the TC books, and I hope I get to read them again soon. Nothing SD has done since them has been as good. I think the 1st series drags a bit in book 3, when there's a standard 'defenders withstand besieging by evil army' bit, but series 2 makes up for it ten-fold. The Sunbane is the scariest thing ever - kind of like the holocaust we're preparing for the earth. And the Land, where people worship life rather than exploiting it, is a nifty idea. Maybe SK could get SD's approval to set the series to music... I don't think. ps I got hold of this listserver thru alt.music.alternative on the mail, but I also had a look for some kind of fantasy literature discussion group, and couldn't find one, let alone anything to do with books. Can anyone help out? I am desperate to get onto one, as I am intending to start a world-wide campaign to get someone - anyone! to publish what I think is the best fantasy series in the world, 'The Amulets of Darkness Cycle', by Alexander Baliol. Book 1, 'The Magefire' was published by Headline in 1990, but no-one bought it and they cancelled his contract. john From pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Sat Jun 11 16:43 PDT 1994 From: pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Subject: Kilbey stuff After the posts of Steve's writings (thanks to those responsible), I thought I'd post these, which are a few pieces of prose by Steve that were in some of the old fan club newsletters: Jagged crystals scattered on a reverbed Larks voices superimposed against industry and sobbing. The smell of long gone time within a small empty vase. A telephone call from my dead father. Veins of marble exposed in the sky, ominous droplets. Kitten with eyes like a sage in a cage in a lab. Morning breaks over slumlords boiled egg. Xrayed briefcase containing blurry blueprints of regret. Big man who rides rough shod on every reasonable human hope. Dreary click, click, click of expired singer. Message scratched into thin air by the hags freshly painted claw. Silly bastard locked into routine with dialogue. Over the back of the church on a windy day. November still looms like the maw of a diseased shark. Glass at the bottom of the donkeys dream. A visit to a world just like ours. Cliched business jerk crush mechanism as usual. Hatred smoulders while waiting, waiting waiting. Funny how you never realise. Blind day under the sheets with my baby, Amnesia. The box contained the beating heart of a cherub in foil. The train has been delayed and reverbed and panned. Wind chimes tinkling in sultry afternoon reverie, sydney. Propensity for revenge never satisfied. Crippled man with Harley Davidson tattooed on his knuckles. This next song was written by JIM GREED and Total Avarice. Gold flakes away revealing freckled flesh and rusty chords. You know who you are and you know how I will get you. Thanks again for ruining everything. Steve Kilbey -------------------------------------------------------------------- MIRACLE FALLOUT jesus walks on the surface of the water like an insect, looking through the clear sea down to the waving weeds, where schools of fish come and go. Looking up to the surface they are amazed to see only the souls of his feet leave brief ripples on the tension skin of their liquid ceiling. Above him the middle eastern burning heavens where the spirits of the just merge with clouds, changing from morning into afternoon, changing from cool dusk into glassy night. Down at the shore, the warm sand dips below the water and away, children sit and muse upon the empty sky and deep sea. They eat their unleavened loaves and talk softly of the cities and deserts, they discuss the flight of the heron and the chambers of Solomon. Strange omens gather. A fish has been caught with three eyes and a belly full of gold. Rain falls out of a weatherless void and tastes of sweat. People have been breaking into foreign speech, unintelligible and uncontrollable. An eagle hatches from a chickens egg. The children dip their brown feet in the warm water and connect into something. They become charged, they see visions, they hear voices. The leopards on the mountain prick up their ears and purr. Whales, thousands of miles away, emerge from the deepest oceans and snort huge plumes of spray; Monkeys in Ethiopia swing down from their trees and chatter. The children have gone, have become absorbed. Their parents will weep and candles will sputter out in deserted rooms, where simple beds are unslept in and cold. No one will visit this town again. The sea will never reveal its secrets. The fallout from a miracle eventually dissipates and returns, floating slowly back up to the sky. S.K. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Me and Bill both got jobs working for the Summer Corporation. Aridity. We turned up at 2000 N. Fuller as advertised and we strolled through into the open grounds of the corporation's headquarters. Alone in the silent dry heat of the gardens, under the foreboding little mountains ahead, and the sound of the streets left far behind, we were, at last, in Hollywood. Out of the desperate past materialized here in dirt and tree ruined steps, ridiculous, overgrown, unattended. Yeah, when the talkies arrived seemed that Bill, here, hed been a big star, his own constellation in fact, but his voice was no good, he watched his career fade, his wives move on, out into history. He had been washed up. That's where the Summer Corporation comes in, but that, as they say is another story. Bill was playing the part of Mercutio or was it Jesse James...? A blockbuster for its time, an entity outside itself, behind the scenes a scorcher, what a cast...fifteen weeks and three disappearances later, Joel in the mirror just before the storm hit, that's not what I said...I mean Bill probably wasn't even there that day...what they said, a jealous husband at the Chronicle, who persecuted him with something that blew up in his own face, no, not Rita, but some other woman, it doesn't matter now, in the leafy desolate courtyard of the Summer Corporation. Keeping the outside away, that's our business. Steve Kilbey ------------------------------------------------------------------------- As I was looking through the newsletters, which are all from around 1990, I found a few other things of interest that you might like to hear: -the working title for "Transient" was "here and Now" -this may be inthe discography, but if not: Marty appears as a co-writer on an album recorded by Martin Rossel for CBS-Sweden, called "Trivolet". Marty co-wrote a song called"Spegel". It's Swedish for "Reflection". Marty had written a song called "Mirror" and it was translated by Martin and ultimately called "Spegel". The second track is available only on the CD format, and is the only track on the Swedish language album that's sung in English, "Kiss the Moon" (That's confusing I know, but it's verbatum folks). -The song "Nursery Fuge" from Peter's "From the Well" album was co-written by Russel Grigg, and was created on computer, and it was complete before they even heard it. -The Church did a 4 song set in 1989 at Petersham Inn in Sydney, under the pseudonym "Starfish". It was a benefit to raise awareness about Tibet, and the bill also included the Celibate Rifles. -about Richards departure "after finishing this album with the Church, drummer Richard Ploog will take a year's sabbatical from the group in order to explore alternative ideas in music and lifestyle" HMMMMM, rehab? -while recording MTV unplugged, besides the 3 songs that were aired, Peter Marty, and Jules Shear also did a cover of the Kinks' "Waterloo Sunset", although it never aired. -On Marty's solo tour (1990), Steve joined him on stage in Long Beach and L.A., and they did an encore of Steve Harley's "The Ritz". Is this the same one you think they are doing on the current tour Morten? -again, a discography thing that may or may not be new news: Marty co-produced Ann Carlberger's album "Artist Unknown" (MNW Records Sweden). It contains 4 songs by Marty, and 2 co-writes by Marty & Ann. This English language album contains an alternate vesion of "Change Your mind". Well that's about it. -paul From pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Sat Jun 11 18:24 PDT 1994 From: pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Subject: interview Cc: pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Here's an old interview from the GAF days. It's from Request magazine, which is one of those free magazines from Musicland or Sam Goody record stores or something. It's a good article though. -paul GRACE LAND The Church finds salvation in the space between art and rock by Harold DeMuir Request Magazine, April 1990 --------------------------------------------------------------------- "I think it's important to remember that life is a joke, the music industry is a joke, I'm a joke, and The Church is a joke," says Steve kilbey, The Church's bassist and lead singer. "At least it's a joke on one level. On another level I take it very seriously, but it's always in the back of my mind that what we're doing isn't very important in the larger scheme of things. I like the fact that I'm old and ugly enough to realize that, whether or not my record's a hit, I'm still incredibly small and insignificant." Not exactly the sort of cozy promotional chatter you might expect to accompany the release of "Gold Afternoon Fix", the eagerly awaited follow-up to "Starfish", the Australian quartet's American breakthrough. But then, members of the Church aren't the sort to indulge in shameless self-promotion. "Half the reason the Church took so long to get this far," says guitarist Marty Willson-Piper, "is that until very recently, we always fought against having to do anything involving the media or promotion:'You want us to do a video - why?' 'You want us to do an interview - why?'" Over the past decade, the Church has pursued an equally iconoclastic musical course. Though they're still often mistaken for paisley revivalists, the Church's relationship to psychedelia is more a matter of deeply held musical ideals than style mongering, and the result is contemporary head rock, a seamless hybrid of rock 'n roll energy and art-rock aesthetics. The group's 1981 debut album "Of Skins and Heart" (including the now-classic single "The Unguarded Moment"), was a promising if conventional affair. On the subsequent "The Blurred Crusade" and "Seance", the Church carved out a more distinctive niche but remained a cult band in the United States (where "Blurred Crusade" and "Seance" weren't released until 1988). An association with Warner Bros. returned the Church to the U.S. market via the 1984 lp "Remote Luxury", actually a compilation of two Australian ep's. Though the spotty "Remote Luxury" strongly hinted that the band was on its last legs, 1986's "Heyday" showcased a revitalized Church. That renewed energy extended to the band's live shows, which spotlighted the soaring multilevel interplay between Willson-Piper and fellow axeman Peter Koppes. In addition to being its most focused effort to date, the Church's 1988 Arista debut "Starfish" was also the beneficiary of its new label's promotional resources, winning the band a sizeable U.S. audience with the haunting, restrained single "Under the Milky Way." "Gold Afternoon Fix" builds on "Starfish's" strenghts, taking a slightlymore expansive musical approach. And on tracks like "Pharoah", "You're Still Beautiful", and "Terra Nova Cain", principal lyricist Kilbey - who previously swathed his songs in wispy fantasy and introspective imagery - takes a witheringly bleak view of civilization's current state. "In the past, you'd never find anything nasty on a Church album", admits Kilbey. "Everything was kind of vague, and there was never any real bite. I used to strive to create music that was beautiful, but i think I've modified that a bit now. In retrospect, I think that trying to be purely beautiful - whatever that means - is a bit one-dimensional. I think it's good to offer an alternative to the ugly reality of day-to-day living, but i don't want to reflect mundane situations lyrically or musically. Actually, there are quite a few ugly songs on this album." The band recorded "Gold Afternoon Fix" in Los Angeles with producer Waddy Wachtel, who also co-produced "Starfish" with fellow soft- rock specialist Greg Ladanyi. Given the band members' professed distaste for LA, their decision to return there and work with Wachtel again comes as a surprise. "When we did 'Starfish', we hated being in LA", says Kilbey. "The producers hadn't heard of us and didn't know what we were supposed to be, and a lot of that struggle came through on the record. But this time, coming back as a relatively successful band, it was a lot friendlier. Waddy was treating us with a lot more respect, and the Los Angeles thing didn't seem to make that much of a difference". "Waddy was the better half of the pair that produced 'Starfish', and the rapport improved because we'd had some success on the last album, so it's not as hypocritical as it seems," says Koppes, who wrote and sang the lyrics of "Transient" on the new LP. "Also, my sister moved to LA, so that helped me overcome my earthquake paranoia a little bit." One notable absence from "Gold Afternoon Fix" is Marty Willson- Piper's trademark 12-string guitar. "I had this one Rickenbacker 12-string, which i loved, and somebody stole it from our manager's office," says Willson-Piper. "When I started trying other Rickenbacker 12-strings, I just couldn't get the same tone. But I've got a Rickenbacker six-string with an ancient tremolo-bar assembly, and that's got a great tone. That's the one I kept picking up when we wrote the new songs, and that's the one that's all over the new album. It's probably a minute detail to the rest of the universe, and i don't know if anybody's even gonna notice it, but to me it makes a huge difference". The Church is taking its improved industry status in stride. "Recognition is a funny thing," says Willson-Piper. "Suzanne Vega was down at Folk City every saturday night playing for 50 people who all thought she was brilliant. Six months later she was selling millions of records in every city of the world - not because she was any more brilliant, but because somebody put a marketing campaign together. "The only reason more people bought 'Starfish' was because more people were exposed to it. When it sold 410,000 copies, we all looked at eachother and went, 'Wait a minute, this isn't so different from our last five records, why's it so big?' I don't know - timing, promotion, luck. And it's the same with this one; if it doesn't sell, I won't know why." This higher commercial profile hasn't altered the group's working methods. "Accidents still play a big part in what we do," says Willson-Piper. "You've got to leave the opportunity for accidents to happen, otherwise you're leaving your creative doors closed. The biggest problem with most popular music is that it doesn't allow for that element of chance." "I'm always surprised when we manage to write a bunch of songs and record an album," Kilbey adds, "because it's still incredibly untogether and disorganized. If we'd written these songs a month earlier or a month later, they could have been radically different. It's like a sperm floating up to an ovum - depending on which sperm swims the fastest, you could have the guy who's gonna bring peace to the world or you could have an axe murderer. When we write the songs, none of us really knows what we're trying to get at. We just jam together and occasionally we'll hit a groove that takes on a life of its own and eventually becomes a song." In certain quarters, much has been made of the role of mind-altering substances in the Church's creative process. Koppes, however, is matter- of-fact on the subject. "I don't see anything wrong with the educated use of drugs," he says. "It's good to experiment with different frames of mind when we're writing. Fanaticism is a disease, whether it's pro or against drugs, and i think it's long past the time when we should be frightened of mentioning drugs in interviews." For the foreseeable future, the Church will function without longtime drummer Richard Ploog, who'll be replaced on the band's upcoming tour by ex-Patti Smith stickman Jay Dee Daugherty. Kilbey describes Ploog's status as "temporarily excommunicated, with the possibility of it becoming a permanent thing. Before people start thinking that Richard was unceremoniously dropped once we got popular, i should say that Richard wanted this and deserved this, so what's happening now is very much his choice. It had to happen eventually - he just couldn't hack it, and he didn't want to. "The band feels very stong at the moment," says Kilbey. "It's a bit like a family; when one member goes away, the rest of the family bonds together more strongly. Three seems to be a very strong number." A key element in the band's rejuvenation has been the adoption of a collaborative songwriting policy. "On the majority of the songs on 'Heyday', I said 'I'm not gonna sit at home and write songs for the band anymore; we're gonna write the songs together, because that's the only way the band's gonna survive.' Now when we play on stage, people are playing parts they've written themselves, so everyone feels a bigger stake in the songs." With the Church functioning as a more democratic unit, Kilbey, Koppes and Willson-Piper have emerged as surprisingly prolific solo artists. Kilbey released four albums of eight-track home recordings (the latest of which, "Remindlessness", was just released in Australia) and collaborated with girlfriend Donnette Thayer on two LP's under the name Hex. Meanwhile, Willson-Piper and Koppes produced three solo discs each; most recent being "Rhyme"(Rykodisc) and "From the Well (TVT) respectively. "I'm always surprised when I hear our solo records," says Kilbey, because i don't hear much of the Church in them. The good thing is, now that we're doing solo records, the Church is based completely on the interaction of Marty, Pete, and myself. I think that's one of the things that makes it strong. "There's nothing more painfully pretentious than a rock musician saying, 'My music's not entertainment, man, it's art,'" he concludes. "But having said that, i do think that the Church aspires to do more than just entertain. I'm sure you can get some satisfaction from tapping your foot and singing along, or from marveling at our contraputnal scales and literary devices. But i think we aspire to something a bit deeper, and I'd like to think that we achieve that occasionally. It's still a joke though". From john.brownosullivan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Sat Jun 11 18:43 PDT 1994 X-Sender: ou005076@brandywine.otago.ac.nz From: john.brownosullivan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (John Brown-O'Sullivan) Subject: discography - what's the difference? I sent away for the new & improved discography, but the only difference I could spot is details of the 2PAO single. Is that it? Maybe next time you update it, Morten, you could send a wee message to the server indicating what the significant differences are? John ps - I was listening to 'Barbed Wire Kisses' yesterday and it occurred to me that the Church are now very like the J&M Chain in structure. The question is, who's best? Before you cut me off the list server, I'll say the Church, a million times over! It's a shame that the J&M Chain enjoy more commercial success, for turning out the same product every time. On the other hand, I loved Reverence - sonic violence AND a nice tune! But most of the songs on 'Sound of Speed' are crap. Steve Kilbey and Jim Reid come across as similar sorts of people - i.e. they seem to hate society. Altho Jim can't sing, he just kind of croaks. And Marty and William Reid are both guitar virtuosos - altho Will seems to play the same solo in about 8 different songs. Funny how the British critics love the J&M Chain but hate / ignore / despise the Church - did anyone else's blood boil when they read Melody Maker's assessment of P=A? 2 out of 10, and comments like 'a shoddy pub band tarted up for the Royal Variety Gala Performance trying to do Pink Floyd's 'Another Brick in the Wall'' about 'the Disillusionist' - I ask you. John From djbarnard@ucdavis.edu Sun Jun 12 13:50 PDT 1994 From: "David J. Barnard" Subject: Video Compilation Does anyone know how to order Jokes, Magic, and Souvenirs video compilation from Arista Video? Bill? If anyone knows of a store who currently carries it, I'd be most appreciative for the info. Thanks, dave barnard davis, california djbarnard@ucdavis.edu From gsa@panix.com Sun Jun 12 17:38 PDT 1994 From: Gary Assa Subject: poster Thanks goes out to Bill at Arista. I got the poster he promised me. For all those uninfomred, I bought the CD, it came with no coupon, and when I called Arista, they said I should call the consumer affairs department. He promised a poster for my troubles. I got it yesterday. It is jusr a poster of the album cover (which I love), but better yet, I also go a patch that goes on denim jackets. So now I can look like the heavy metal dirtbags. Neat! --------------------------------------------------- 1. Earth is 98% full. Please delete anyone you can. 2. I came, I saw, I deleted all your files. 3. The world will end in 5 minutes. Please log out. From BSmith@VCOMTELC.TELECOM.com.au Sun Jun 12 18:12 PDT 1994 From: "Smith, Brian" Subject: RE: poster > He promised a poster for my troubles. I got it yesterday. It is jusr a > poster of the album cover (which I love), but better yet, I also go a > patch that goes on denim jackets. So now I can look like the heavy metal > dirtbags. Neat! How do the rest of us get this stuff too ? We'll pay (well, I will) for them, I'm sure ! Brian Smith From kallista@netcom.com Sun Jun 12 19:41 PDT 1994 From: kallista@netcom.com (Chris Barrus) Subject: Re: Video Compilation >From: "David J. Barnard" >Does anyone know how to order Jokes, Magic, and Souvenirs video >compilation from Arista Video? Bill? If anyone knows of a store who >currently carries it, I'd be most appreciative for the info. Check out the used bins of your local Blockbuster. I found my copy there just a couple of months ago for only $5.00. Chris ========================================================================== Chris Barrus - kallista@netcom.com | "Route 66 is a giant chute down which | everything loose in this country is '72 Riviera - Peace through | sliding into Southern California." superior automotive power! | - Frank Lloyd Wright ========================================================================== From kwr08495@acuvax.acu.edu Sun Jun 12 23:12 PDT 1994 From: "Karl W. Reinsch" Cc: kwr08495@acuvax.acu.edu Subject: Interesting tidbit in "Freeze To Burn" Has anyone else noticed the voice repeatedly saying "Angelica, I want you!" in.........."Freeze To Burn"? -karl. From john.brownosullivan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Mon Jun 13 00:30 PDT 1994 X-Sender: ou005076@brandywine.otago.ac.nz From: john.brownosullivan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (John Brown-O'Sullivan) Subject: about the 'Earthed' poems After Dave mentioned the 'Earthed' book and Paul posted 'Kilbey Stuff', I thought maybe someone has some or all of the poems in the 'Earthed' booklet saved as a file (yeah, I know, it's 76 pages long, but lets face it some folk are just plain nuts). If one of you does, would you mind sending it my way? And the same goes for the 'Starfish' poem, if you have that. Does anyone have lyrics to any of the solo albums? Or Jack Frost or Hex. Again, I'd appreciate getting them. Something which I've been wondering about... in the GAF interview Paul posted, Kilbey says "Now when we play on stage, people are playing parts they've written themselves, so everyone feels a bigger stake in the songs." The implication from that is that before GAF, Pete and Marty were playing music Steve had composed! I doubt that was the case on Starfish, but some of the earlier albums, eg Blurred Crusade, credit all words and *music* to SK! Maybe that's why a lot of the guitar on BC and RL sounds bad. Does anyone know? Another thing - It wasn't until January this year that I found out MWP wasn't an Australian but an Englishman. How did he get together with Steve and Pete when they were just some teenagers with guitars? John From john.brownosullivan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Mon Jun 13 00:33 PDT 1994 X-Sender: ou005076@brandywine.otago.ac.nz From: john.brownosullivan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (John Brown-O'Sullivan) Subject: discography - what's the difference? I didn't have any luck sending this last time, but forgive me if this is the 2nd time you've seen this... I sent away for the new & improved discography, but the only difference I could spot is details of the 2PAO single. Is that it? Maybe next time you update it, Morten, you could send a wee message to the server indicating what the significant differences are? John ps - I was listening to 'Barbed Wire Kisses' yesterday and it occurred to me that the Church are now very like the J&M Chain in structure. The question is, who's best? Before you cut me off the list server, I'll say the Church, a million times over! It's a shame that the J&M Chain enjoy more commercial success, for turning out the same product every time. On the other hand, I loved Reverence - sonic violence AND a nice tune! But most of the songs on 'Sound of Speed' are crap. Steve Kilbey and Jim Reid come across as similar sorts of people - i.e. they seem to hate society. Altho Jim can't sing, he just kind of croaks. And Marty and William Reid are both guitar virtuosos - altho Will seems to play the same solo in about 8 different songs. Funny how the British critics love the J&M Chain but hate / ignore / despise the Church - did anyone else's blood boil when they read Melody Maker's assessment of P=A? 2 out of 10, and comments like 'a shoddy pub band tarted up for the Royal Variety Gala Performance trying to do Pink Floyd's 'Another Brick in the Wall'' about 'the Disillusionist' - I ask you. John John Brown-O'Sullivan Student Zoology Department University of Otago E-mail john.brownosullivan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz From FURSTD@BoysTown.ORG Mon Jun 13 07:09 PDT 1994 From: FURSTD@BoysTown.ORG (DAVID FURST) Subject: neuromancer I am glad to hear someone else thinks Tanatalized is a take on the william gibson neuromancer novel. Even more so when you consider the video to tantalized - what with the hyper-speed pace. Here's another one to think about: The b-side, Much to Much is a take on gibson's and bruce sterling's The Difference Engine. Also, I think Antenna is neuromancer inspired, too. ANyone ever read Snow Crash? Highly recommend that one. Nothing better, in my book, that when traveling in airplanes, to jack into some good church tunes and read a good cyber-type novel. It's about the only time I truly relax. From powell@Kodak.COM Mon Jun 13 07:57 PDT 1994 Reply-To: powell@Kodak.COM From: powell@Kodak.COM (Richard W. Powell ESD) Cc: I118271@Kodak.COM Subject: review SCREW UP !!!! (thanks Brian!) In my review of BUSINESS WOMAN I wrote: > Sure the Church hate this one - it's great. I love it. Reminds me of > `Youth Worshipper` by ---> Hex <---- ha ha. *NO*, I'm NOT aware of a HEX version of `Youth Worshipper`. I just can't type while I listen to music. I can even remember mindlessly typing `HEX` while I listened to `Diviner` from the 1st HEX disc. SA/SE had just finished, I put this on, and for some odd reason `Diviner` made me think of `Youth Worshipper` which made me think of the catchy, cool pop-sound of `Business Woman`. - Dick (powell.kodak.com) From 21922SM@msu.edu Mon Jun 13 08:36 PDT 1994 Mon, 13 Jun 94 11:37:06 EDT From: "Scott.Mikusko" <21922SM@msu.edu> Subject: Okay, I'm new here. Here I go.. Great, A Church mailing list! Short history of my appeciation of the Church: stay up late during high school on Sunday nights, saw the Church on 120 minutes right when Starfish came out. Caught the video, I was hooked. Bought the tape, and Heyday soon after. THEN I bought Blurred Crusade and considered them one of my favourite bands. BUT THEN, college and life and all that crap made me lose touch with some of my groups. Then I read about the new album, so I'm back in the saddle! Since I play guitar, I really found Willson-Piper and Koppes' guitar work fantastic. Became a big influence on me (I like to complain that Blurred Crusade made my "demo tapes" redundant...) I got some catching up to do as far as Church history goes (forgive me, it's been about three years). First, I read that Kilbey and W-P are the only two guys left. What happened to the others? The last time I knew the drummer got replaced. Second, does anyone listen to All About Eve? I was surprised to see that W-P was the guitar player for them on their last two studio albums (I just recently got into AaE, and when I listened to 'Touched by Jesus' I said to myself, "God this kinda sounds like the Church. And lo and behold, when I read the sleeve and looked at the cover picture more closely I cried, "HEY! Thats Marty Willson-Piper! What the hell? Did the Church break up?!) Anyhow, IF there are some AaE fans out there, I'm looking for their second album, "Scarlet and Other Stories". Any info about getting that would be most helpful. Sorry this isn't specifically about The Church, but they are sort of related. I posted to alt.music.alternative about AaE, but I doubt there are too many out there who know of them. Thanks a lot, and I'm really emjoying this list, it's nice to see others out there keep up with such a great band. ======================================================================== Scott Thomas Mikusko "But the truth DOES matter!!" Internet Guerilla smikusko@nyx.cs.du.edu -Bob Larson 21922sm@msu.edu mikuskos@student.msu.edu ======================================================================== From mosk Mon Jun 13 08:37 PDT 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: discography - what's the difference? > From john.brownosullivan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Mon Jun 13 00:33:48 1994 > I sent away for the new & improved discography, but the only difference I > could spot is details of the 2PAO single. Is that it? Maybe next time you > update it, Morten, you could send a wee message to the server indicating > what the significant differences are? > > John The reason it's not a lot different is that you requested a discog just a few weeks ago when you joined the list too... :-) The reason I set it up as an auto-reply account was to cut down on my personal e-mail and to enable you to easily get a copy whenever you wanted. Some of you have had to wait for days before I got around to sending you one.... I will not send out a message everytime I make changes. I probably add or change something on it once a week, but in most cases it's minute details... I will send out a message if there are major changes done, such as when I get around to adding the section on sampler albums they have cuts on... Other than that, it's up to you... -morten From mosk Mon Jun 13 09:13 PDT 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Curious Yellow (was: RE: ** THE CHURCH - DISCOGRAPHY **) Cc: seance@thechurch > From kwr08495@acuvax.acu.edu Sun Jun 12 16:29:48 1994 > >Steve Kilbey (Curious (Yellow)) > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >1989 I Am Curious > > > > I Am Curious > > Transparent Garden > > Song With No Name > > > > 12" (Yellow Vinyl) (Australia) > > > Hi Morten. I am curious (pun intended) about the origin of this info. > I have an item resembling this. It is RED EP1 from 1988. It is a 12" > on yellow vinyl. The artist is Curious (Yellow), and the cover has > a girl's face and she is biting a finger, in yellow tint no less. > The track list is: > Transparent Garden 3:50 > Pretty Girl 5:48 > Song With No Name 3:42 > Tinsel Heart 4:20 > If I Reach You 3:48 > The credits say: > CURIOUS (yellow) > are > LES WHITE - BASS GUITAR > FILTHY - ELECTRIC GUITAR > SNAPPER - DRUMS > KARIN JANSSON - VOCAL/GUITAR > except > PHIL MAHER - ELECTRIC GUITAR on "If I Reach You" > It is produced by Steve Kilbey, and "Song With No Name" is mixed by > Kilbey/Russell Pilling(who engineered the record). > > I've only listened to this a few times but I didn't readily hear Steve > anywhere. His involvement with Curious (*) has puzzled me. On the > Asides & Besides compilation, he sings on the Curious (Blue) track but > has nothing to do with the Curious (Yellow) track. > > Anyway, there's some more info on the discography. If you know any more > about Steve and this whole Curious thing, let me know. > > thanks, > -karl. > Karl, This is an item I'm missing, so I can't verify that the discog is right. I did get the information a couple of years ago (before the list) from some guy in Australia. His info may have been wrong.... As far as I know there's only one version of it. I will change the info in the discog to yours, since you actually _have_ a copy....(wanna sell / trade it? :) Steve's involvement with Curious (Yellow) is as follows: Karin Jansson as you probably know is Steve's Significant Other and mother of his twin daughters... She used to play in a band called Pink Champagne (with Marty's wife, Ann Carlberger) in her homeland Sweden. The first single was probably a result of a breakfast-table- conversation sounding something like this (picture Steve in his bathrobe and slippers, unshaved, pillow-influenced hair, reading the Sydney Herald over a cup of coffee, and Karin in her robe, curlers in her hair, cigarette hanging from the corner of her mouth, putting the burnt toast in front of Steve...) "Steve...I vant to make a record again... Steve? Steeeve!!! I vant to make a record...." Steve (without taking his eyes from the newspaper): "Huh?? Oh, okay honey..." (ok, so maybe this wasn't how it happened... :-) I thought Steve also played on this, the first single, but maybe he doesn't. I think he once said that his involvement with CY was that he paid for it... :-) He _does_ play on the CY album and he also co-wrote and produced most of the tracks. Curious Blue I think is a left-over track from the sessions (and IMO maybe the best track) and when Asides was released, they decided to include it, but release it as CB because of Steve's involvement in the track. Curious Yellow _is_ after all Karin's band-moniker (taken from the great Swedish movie "Are you curious yellow?"). Karin is, according to Steve, supposed to have a new album out (under her own name?), but I have not been able to track it down. Have any of you Australian readers seen it? I'd love to lay my hands on a copy..... -morten From mosk Mon Jun 13 11:18 PDT 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: New member. "Hi" Forwarding this to the list. To post to the list, please use: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Thanks, _morten ----- Begin Included Message ----- From KDSCHMITT@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu Mon Jun 13 11:00:17 1994 From: KDSCHMITT@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu Subject: New member. "Hi" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT O.K. here I go. I guess it all started when I was a freshman in high school, (I am currently a senior at Miami University in Ohio), my friends and I wanted to start a band. My older brother plays drums in a band called 'Pretty Mighty Mighty' and I guess that is where the inspiration came from. My friends and I would sit in our basement and listen to my bro jam. We collected some instruments and gathered in my friends basement. All we needed now were some songs. One of the guys we got to play guitar I didn't know. His name was Jay. He brought over a copy of 'The Blured Crusade'. WE listened and liked what we heard. We spent the next few weeks trying to cover 'Just For You' (minus the intro, we couldn't get it right) We played at some really bad hang-out for teens and BOMBED. We toughed it out for a few more months trying to learn other songs, but we really had no idea what the hell we were doing. It was a mess. One of my friends and I started doing stuff on our own playing stuff off of 'Seance'. We did a couple of acoustic shows, but still didn't get anywhere. My career as a musician was failing. My love of 'the Church', however, grew. On a trip to Chicago with my folks, I discovered the 2xCD set of 'Hindsight'. I was amazed. Shortly thereafter I went to my local record store and bought all the tapes I could. (I guess I should mention that I had not owned a CD player prior to discovering 'Hindsight', so I had to get a job to buy one to listen to this CD with) The discovery of the song ' A Different Man' was an amazing day. 'A Quick Smoke at Spot's' was what I found when I went to visit my girlfriend in Cleveland. (She was mad because I was interested in the CD more than her on that trip, Jeez, doesn't she understand just who these guys are!?!?) I got most of my current friends hooked on 'the Church' now. I even got my girlfriend liking them. As a matter of fact, on Memorial Day weekend, I was up in Cleveland and my girlfriend told me she had a surprise for me. 'the Church' played live downtown!! An acoustic show. It was cool. As far as my favorite song is concerned, I hace to go back to 'Seance' and the melodic guitar of 'Disappear'.... I was on the old mailing list (the snail-mail list) for a while, but I think they quit that. I hope this is as informative as the previous mailing list. Thanks for putting up with my babble. ---der schmitt P.S.-One of my prize possesions is my autographed copy of 'Starfish' ----- End Included Message ----- From anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Mon Jun 13 11:41 PDT 1994 Reply-To: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Organization: Xymox UUCP System, Melbourne Australia From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Re: narcosis In apana.lists.music.the-church, article <592916@BoysTown.ORG>, you wrote: > Apparently I am more out of touch than I thought. When and what label was > Narcosis? Red Eye (Australia). > Comments about how was it? Comments on how to get it? It's great, one of my favorite Kilbey things. Best bet for getting it is to mail order it from Red Eye (the shop!) in Sydney; Morten, the adddress please? :) > ANyone heard/can comment on margot smith? Yep - her album "Sleeping With The Lion" is wonderful, my favorite album of 1993. New album arriving, it looks now, in early '95, possible Kilbey involvement. In the meantime, "SWTL" is on EMI Australia, orderable from Red Eye as well. I highly recommend it. :) - Anthony (in tired-yet-efficient mode :) -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au those herbal-tea moments." - Caroline Sullivan of The Guardian reviewing the new "Victoria Amos" album. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Mon Jun 13 11:45 PDT 1994 Reply-To: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Organization: Xymox UUCP System, Melbourne Australia From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Re: Bonus CD > > finally listen to it...However, I was under the impression that the > > bonus CD was exactly that..a bonus...ie no extra charge. Up here the only > > CD's I could find with the extra stuff cost 27$ (as compared to 19 regular). > > Here in Seattle, the regular CD cost $12.99 and the bonus disc was > $17.99. Even with the exchange rate, $27 Canadian is steep, that's about > $23 dollars USA. Hmmmm. Here in Australia, the single CD and the double pack both cost $28.99, standard CD price for Australia. That's about US$22-23. > Just curious, we have a fairly international mix of people on the list, > what are prices of CD in other countries, please include a rough > exchange rate. My roommate stated that in France CD are much more CDs are very expensive here in Australia, to the extent that I can buy a US import for the same price as a local one - or in the case of Sony product, cheaper. My US import of Mae Moore's "Bohemia" cost me $29 here, while the local version sold for $31.99! > I like the new CD but I will have to give it some more time to > see how it ranks. I do think it is an improvement over P=A (A little > down for my tastes). Aw, it's wonderful. :) I'll have a review ready next weekend, and I'll post it then, pre-publication. :-) -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au those herbal-tea moments." - Caroline Sullivan of The Guardian reviewing the new "Victoria Amos" album. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From KDSCHMITT@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu Mon Jun 13 11:54 PDT 1994 13 Jun 1994 14:54:22 -0400 (EDT) From: KDSCHMITT@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu Subject: Bonus CD Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I bought it new w/ the bonuc CD for $12.99 I guess I got lucky. ---der schmitt From mosk Mon Jun 13 12:31 PDT 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: narcosis > > In apana.lists.music.the-church, article <592916@BoysTown.ORG>, you wrote: > > From anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Mon Jun 13 11:41:53 1994 > > > Apparently I am more out of touch than I thought. When and what label was > > Narcosis? > > Red Eye (Australia). > > > Comments about how was it? Comments on how to get it? > > It's great, one of my favorite Kilbey things. Best bet for getting it is to > mail order it from Red Eye (the shop!) in Sydney; Morten, the adddress > please? :) > > - Anthony (in tired-yet-efficient mode :) > Sadly, the "Narcosis" ep has long been deleted. I have a hard time finding additional copies of it. RedEye does _not_ have it, at least not the last time I checked... They may eventually get a used copy in, but generally speaking, Narcosis is hard to get hold of. And, according to Anthony here, in Australia the leftover cds are actually recalled and chrushed when they get deleted. It's an old Australian tradition... :-) Pity, as it is some of the best stuff Kilbey has delivered.... Hmmm...come to think of it, we added a member in Germany over the weekend. At some point I heard that there was a Dutch or German release of this.... Arnulf, have you heard of this??? (Nothing like being asked questions even before you've had time to introduce yourself, is there??? :-) I managed to get a second copy for my own collection recently from Vicious Sloth Records down there in Ozzie-land somewhere (I can never get Melbourne or Sydney straight, I need a map for my office.... :-). I paid through the nose for it, about $35 US dollars, which is a lot when you know that a local store had several copies for $7 each a couple of years ago.... And I sold my previous second copy to someone on this list (Hi Dave) before I realised how rare it was... :-( I don't have VSR address in front of me, but here's RedEye's address for those of you who are interested in trying: Red Eye Records GPO Box 211 Sydney 2001 Australia ph 011-61-2-233-8177 fax 011-61-2-223-5219 ^^^ |_ US only, this is the code to get "an outside" line..... -morten From rfd@buclaa.bu.edu Mon Jun 13 12:57 PDT 1994 From: rfd@buclaa.bu.edu (Richard F. Delano) Subject: Vicious Sloth Here's the address: Vicious Sloth Collectables GPO Box 2894 dd Melbourne Victoria 3001 Australia Phone: 61-3-822-4992 Fax: 61-3-824-8716 ObChurch: Does anyone on this list have a copy of "Busdriver"? Why is Steve so adamant about it not being released? Rich Boston Univ. From mosk Mon Jun 13 13:20 PDT 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Busdriver > From rfd@buclaa.bu.edu Mon Jun 13 12:57:42 1994 > > > ObChurch: Does anyone on this list have a copy of "Busdriver"? > Why is Steve so adamant about it not being released? > > Rich > Boston Univ. > Yes, I have "Busdriver". I didn't know that Steve was "adamant" about not releasing it... It's proably more a case of it being an old song that is long since history now... The song itself is enjoyable enough, it has a great guitar-solo from Pete, but the lyrics are very banal, IMO probably the worst lyrics Steve has ever written.... It's not an essential Church song, by any means.... -morten From KDSCHMITT@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu Mon Jun 13 16:47 PDT 1994 13 Jun 1994 19:47:09 -0400 (EDT) From: KDSCHMITT@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu Subject: Vicious Sloth? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT What is this address for? I mean what kind of collectables do they have? ---der schmitt From BSmith@VCOMTELC.TELECOM.com.au Tue Jun 14 00:10 PDT 1994 From: "Smith, Brian" Subject: Album sales figures This one's for Bill@Arista... You told us that the album had sold around 7000 copies in the first week and that you were very pleased with this. What's the current sales figure and are you still happy with them ? A further question; if the album doesn't do well, what does that mean with regard to The Church's future with Arista ? Brian From matthew.blair@afrc.ac.uk Tue Jun 14 04:05 PDT 1994 Content-Identifier: 118672F60800 From: BLAIRM Subject: Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Scott Thomas Mikusko writes : > Since I play guitar, I really found Willson-Piper and Koppes' guitar > work fantastic. Became a big influence on me (I like to complain > that Blurred Crusade made my "demo tapes" redundant...) You're not alone. MWP was the reason I got into playing 12-string electric, and for a while, the band I was playing in (and writing songs for) were very church-like circa 'SING-SONGS', and 'Blurred Crusade'. Sadly that band is now defunct, but I'm hoping to demo some songs soon that are church influenced. > Second, does anyone listen to All About Eve? I was surprised to see > that W-P was the guitar player for them ...I'm looking for their > second album, "Scarlet and Other Stories". Any info about getting > that would be most helpful. > I posted to alt.music.alternative about AaE, but I doubt there are > too many out there who know of them. Yeah, I listen to AAE a lot ! I got into them several years ago, when all they had were 1 or 2 singles out. The 1st album is great, but I'm not too sure I would really recommend 'Scarlet...', it was a difficult 2nd album, tho' the singles were great. If you get any interesting info from alt.music.alternative I'd love to see it. Also if you want any info, please feel free to ask me, tho I may not have any answers. My e-mail address is MATTHEW.BLAIR@AFRC.AC.UK Does anyone know what happened to Julianne Regan after the split. I believe Marty is working with the other two members, but what of Julianne ? Anyway enough from me, and apologies to everyone else who gets this, esp. if they're not interested in AAE. Cheers, Matt. From vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu Tue Jun 14 07:19 PDT 1994 via MS.5.6.pcs1.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax_ul4; From: Vernon H Harmon Subject: Re: Album sales figures For reference sake: While working at our radio station last week (I'm in training), I perused the weekly mag with all the chart listings in it. SA was on the Alternative chart at either 98 or 48 for its first week. I'm pretty sure it was 98, but still, it hit the charts. I'll check again this week and see how it's doing. BTW: Yes, I plan to play some tracks during my host's show this week. I mentioned SA+SE and he told me to bring it in and we'd play some of it. Can anybody guess what I plan to play? (HINT: it's the song I've been saying all along was my favorite, his show is a "typical college radio show" and he likes "garage rock") --Vernon, helping to spread the gospel.... :) From mori0019@gold.tc.umn.edu Tue Jun 14 12:04 PDT 1994 From: Keith K Morioka Subject: Hi! Hey Everyone, I am so glad that there is a church mailing list. I have been looking for one for a while, but didn't find it til now. I first got into the Church at the Heyday album, I thought that it was brilliant, but since, the Church wasn't really popular here in Minnesota, I had trouble getting some of the back catalogue, but soon I got it all, and then of course, Arista releases it all on CD, so then I bought it all again. The first time that I got to see the Church was at the Guthrie Theatre here in Minneapolis, and it was incredible(That is where the Reptile Video was shot, you can actually see me very faintly in the video), I have been a faithful Church fan since(no pun intended). I just got a bootleg from Melborne in 1982, and it is excellent, it hasn't left my tape player yet. Also, one of the best concerts I have been to was Steve Kilbey in the 7th St. Entry, which is the smaller room of First Ave. He was touring for Remindlessness, and he comes out and says "I'm making this an all request show, so what do you want to here?" He then played a plethora of Church, Hex, and Solo stuff that was incredible. One of the funniest things was he started to play "Under the Milky Way"(which he really didn't want to do) and he starts to sing like Bob Dylan, and he stops, and says "Wait, isn't he from here?" and then keeps playing. Well, I'll stop rambling for now, but one quick question before I leave, This is for you Australians and New Zealanders, Is the Sing Songs Ep available on CD, and if is, is anyone willing to buy it for me and send it to me, if I send them the money for the disc and the postage? Well, I look forward to being on this list..... Later, Keith Morioka mori0019@gold.tc.umn.edu From FURSTD@BoysTown.ORG Tue Jun 14 14:12 PDT 1994 From: FURSTD@BoysTown.ORG (DAVID FURST) Subject: sk & mwp tour I'll try again. ANyone know where sk & mwp are playing in the near future. If they played salt lake city maybe they are headed for the midwest? Or, who to contact for tour info would help. From mosk Tue Jun 14 14:28 PDT 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: sk & mwp tour > From FURSTD@BoysTown.ORG Tue Jun 14 14:12:39 1994 > Date: Tue, 14 Jun 94 16:09:32 CST > From: FURSTD@BoysTown.ORG (DAVID FURST) > To: SEANCE@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM > Subject: sk & mwp tour > > > I'll try again. ANyone know where sk & mwp are playing in the near future. > If they played salt lake city maybe they are headed for the midwest? > Or, who to contact for tour info would help. > According to the schedule Bill @ Arista sent out, these are the last dates on the tour: 6/9 Salt Lake City (X96 show at Tower Theatre) 6/10 Los Angeles (Press) 6/12 San Diego (91X Sun Fest at San Diego State 3:45pm) 6/13 Phoenix (TENTATIVE) 6/14 Las Vegas (KEDG) -morten From U-MJP@PHYSICS1.BYU.EDU Tue Jun 14 15:03 PDT 1994 1994 16:02 MDT 14 Jun 94 16:01:04 MST7MDT From: "MATTHEW J. POLDER" Subject: Howdy X-Envelope-To: seance@thechurch.ebay.sun.com Priority: normal Organization: BYU Dept. of Physics and Astronomy Hi! The other day I tapped into the alternative newsgroup and found out there was a Church group. Cool, I thought. So here I am. I discovered the Church when Starfish came out and saw them on that tour (in LA). Excellent stuff. The next year I went to college and my roommate had all their earlier tapes. Excellent stuff. I don't know which album is my "favorite" as it depends on my mood, I love their solo stuff, though I don't like "Gold Afternoon Fix" or "priest=aura" as much as the others and haven't listened to the new one enough to form an opinion. I missed the X96 show in Salt Lake (I live in Provo) because you had to win tickets and my connection was out of town. My favorite song is probably "Hotel Womb" off Starfish. What's the address for the ftp site (i.e. 128.34.?) and what directory are the lyrics and discography under? Thanks, Matthew Polder From 213170596@UCIS.VILL.EDU Tue Jun 14 17:14 PDT 1994 From: 213170596@UCIS.VILL.EDU (timB) Subject: golfish, jokes,.. vid. I still see the Goldfish, Jokes, Souvenirs video at local record stores for sale. It's usually on the discount rack, so you can probablly get ti for pretty cheap. Most of the time its like $9.99 or so. Also, some of the local Philadelphia video stores rent it in the music seciton. I dunno about other places, but its pretty plentiful here. Almost as plentiful as used copies of GAF and P=A!!!! Also, I forget what song, but someone asked if anybody noticed "Angelica..." lyrics in a different song, and that just reminded me of MY most humorous Church moment (short-lived topic from a coupla weeks back), which is definitely the "Nah Nah Nah Nah.... A palm tree nodded at me last night, he said, 'Hey you look so pale'" from "One Day." That one's definitely a keeper, just picturing SK, anticipating an earlier fade of the song and sorta foolin at the end, and then somehow having somebody blow the fade during production. Maybe it was planned, though, but still very humorous! Almost as funny as Michael Stipe getting so into the end moan of "So. Central Rain" that he fell down the studio steps, which explains the abrupt cutoff..... gelf! timB From U23500@UICVM.UIC.EDU Tue Jun 14 19:09 PDT 1994 From: Mephisto in Onyx Subject: AOL OnLine Anyone who bothered to save the AOL discussion with the church of a week (or so) ago, could they please send it to me privately (so as to not waste bandwidth) raj u23500@uicvm.uic.edu or raj@imsa.edu or raj@babe.math.uic.edu | When inward life dtries up, when feeling decreases and apath increases, | | when one cannot affect or even genuinely touch another person, violence | | flares up as a daimonic necessity for contact, a mad drive forcing contact | | in the most direct way possible. -Rollo May, LOVE AND WILL | | High in the bloody sky, the Deathbird circled. -Harlan Ellison, DEATHBIRD | From john.brownosullivan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Wed Jun 15 00:33 PDT 1994 X-Sender: ou005076@brandywine.otago.ac.nz From: john.brownosullivan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (John Brown-O'Sullivan) Subject: Goldfish, Jokes, Souvenirs video I'd like to get a copy of the Goldfish, Jokes, Souvenirs video somehow. Problem is, it sure ain't for sale in New Zealand. Can anyone: 1. give me a quick rundown on what's on it 2. suggest how i can get it (i'd like a new copy, and not too expensive) 3. suggest the best way of getting it from USA or Oz to NZ? I like the 'Oneday' steal from 'Bel Air' too but I wish they wouldn't fade songs out so often. It was especially bad on P=A, eg Disillusionist. It spoils the song when the last 40s or so are slowly getting weaker. John From john.brownosullivan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Wed Jun 15 00:47 PDT 1994 X-Sender: ou005076@brandywine.otago.ac.nz From: john.brownosullivan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (John Brown-O'Sullivan) Subject: Goldfish, Jokes, Souvenirs video I'd like to get a copy of the Goldfish, Jokes, Souvenirs video somehow. Problem is, it sure ain't for sale in New Zealand. Can anyone: 1. give me a quick rundown on what's on it 2. suggest how i can get it (i'd like a new copy, and not too expensive) 3. suggest the best way of getting it from USA or Oz to NZ? I like the 'Oneday' steal from 'Bel Air' too but I wish they wouldn't fade songs out so often. It was especially bad on P=A, eg Disillusionist. It spoils the song when the last 40s or so are slowly getting weaker. John From radzanod@iia.org Wed Jun 15 05:45 PDT 1994 From: David Radzanowski Subject: Hello Hi, from a new subscriber. This is great. I found religion (i.e. the Church) in 1983 as a freshman at the University of Wisconsin at Madison. A bunch of guys at B-Side records introduced me to them and they have been my favorite band ever since. I must say that my favorite is Blurred Crusade. I don't have a favorite song; it just depends on my mood. When I'm depressed I do like to listen to Field of Mars from Crusade though. I had to laugh when I read the FAQ and it mentioned paisley shirts. After the Heyday album came out I went out and bought my first paisley shirt. I have about five and I still wear them at times even though it seems paisley has come and gone. But it'll be back again. I'm thrilled about this mailing list. I've been out of the loop the past 4-5 years. Haven't seen the Church live since around Starfish time. Take it easy. Dave Radzanowski (not Rostenkowski) Congressional Research Service [Bite me, it's fun----CROOOOOW, MST3K] From mosk Wed Jun 15 08:28 PDT 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: Goldfish, Jokes, Souvenirs video > From john.brownosullivan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Wed Jun 15 00:47:48 1994 > > I'd like to get a copy of the Goldfish, Jokes, Souvenirs video somehow. > Problem is, it sure ain't for sale in New Zealand. Can anyone: > > 1. give me a quick rundown on what's on it > The track listing is in the discography.... > 2. suggest how i can get it (i'd like a new copy, and not too expensive) > 3. suggest the best way of getting it from USA or Oz to NZ? > I believe you will have problems with playing the US version in NZ, unless you have a system that can play both PAL and NTSC (is that what it's called?). I'm a little unclear whether the "Goldfish" video actually was released in Australia. I know there was an earlier collection that included "Already Yesterday" and "You Took", but excluded the Starfish and GAF videos and also didn't have the idle chatter between the songs... Anyone have the full details on this? > John > -m From mosk Wed Jun 15 08:29 PDT 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: AOL OnLine > From U23500@UICVM.UIC.EDU Tue Jun 14 19:09:01 1994 > > Anyone who bothered to save the AOL discussion with the church of a week > (or so) ago, could they please send it to me privately (so as to not > waste bandwidth) > > raj > I'll forward it... -m From mosk Wed Jun 15 09:10 PDT 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: neophyte Forwarding this to the list.... Chris, please note the address to the list: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM -morten ----- Begin Included Message ----- From iy17@jove.acs.unt.edu Wed Jun 15 08:57:24 1994 From: Koontz Christopher Noel Subject: neophyte giving personal info for churchlist... fave paisley shirt-161/2 40%rayon 60%cotton red/blue/graple number... fave album - priest=aura; like starfish, but darker and moodier... fave song - hotel womb and/or tear it all away, depending upon which woman with whom i'm madly in love & who won't talk to me anymore i happen to be thinking about at the time... fave video - constant in opal...disturbing clown images and kilbeymascara a must... ----- End Included Message ----- From iy17@jove.acs.unt.edu Wed Jun 15 09:19 PDT 1994 From: Koontz Christopher Noel Subject: troublesome stupid new e-mail account sorry to trouble you morten but i have a troublesome stupid new e-mail account that does not like proper addresses... From powell@Kodak.COM Wed Jun 15 09:50 PDT 1994 Reply-To: powell@Kodak.COM From: Richard Powell Subject: CD Prices >From: Powell@Kodak.COM Someone asked about CD prices: In Rochester, New York, USA - new single disc CDs are as low as $12 at non-chain stores, versus around $16 at the big name places. US CD5s range between $6-$11. Add a few dollars for most imports. Special order imports can double in price. Sometimes you can find a gem in the cutout bin, as I did when I found a copy of The Slow Crack for about $5. Bootleg CDs are way out there - at $25-$50. Used CDs are around $10. This week I just replaced album copies of "Seance", "Remote Luxury", and "Heyday" with new CDs, as well as bought my first copy of "The Blurred Crusade". "Heyday" was $12, the rest were $10. I was happily surprised to find them at the first place I checked, let alone at such a reasonable price. I wasn't planning on buying them all at once. I hadn't bought "The Blurred Crusade" before since I was so disappointed in "Of Skins And Heart", and what I heard on "Conception" didn't excite me either. I took a chance based on all the good things I've heard here on the list ... thanks, this sounds great! - Dick From rfd@buclaa.bu.edu Wed Jun 15 09:58 PDT 1994 From: rfd@buclaa.bu.edu (Richard F. Delano) Subject: "Destination" promo As I was scanning through my collection of big, black, round, vinyl things (I think they're called records), I noticed something in my collection that wasn't listed in the discography. It's a promo 12" for "Destination" Here's all the official info: Arista ADP-9750 (Promo only) SIDE A Destination (Edit) 4:41 SIDE B Destination (Album Version) 5:51 Anyone else have this? The "edit" should be called "butchered". The song cannot be edited. They tried and failed miserably. Ick. Rich Boston Univ. From KDSCHMITT@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu Wed Jun 15 10:26 PDT 1994 15 Jun 1994 13:25:59 -0400 (EDT) From: KDSCHMITT@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu Subject: Conception? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT The CHurch have something out called 'Conception'? I am not familiar with it, can someone please tell me more. ---der schmitt From 213170596@UCIS.VILL.EDU Wed Jun 15 10:48 PDT 1994 From: 213170596@UCIS.VILL.EDU (timB) Subject: conception Yeah, me too! The local record store has this Conception thing on vinyl and i always was reluctant to buy it cause i think its most of the same songs from OSaH, if memory serves me correctly. Pardon me if this is in the discography, i have it, but i don't feel like going through it again right now. It's too long. (but then again, that length is a good thing.) timB From brenta@microsoft.com Wed Jun 15 10:48 PDT 1994 X-Msmail-Message-Id: FBB1EB01 X-Msmail-Conversation-Id: FBB1EB01 X-Msmail-Wiseremark: These pretzels are making me thirsty From: Brent Aliverti Subject: RE: "Destination" promo Yep, I have this too....nice cover, but other than that not really an essential item. On the other hand, the Reptile promo 12" is kind of cool because it includes the "Rock Radio Remix" of Reptile. This mix features drums that are mixed differently, and some synth washes that jump out more than on the album mix. The sleeve also lists all of the US Starfish tour dates. ---------- From: Richard F. Delano Subject: "Destination" promo As I was scanning through my collection of big, black, round, vinyl things (I think they're called records), I noticed something in my collection that wasn't listed in the discography. It's a promo 12" for "Destination" Here's all the official info: Arista ADP-9750 (Promo only) SIDE A Destination (Edit) 4:41 SIDE B Destination (Album Version) 5:51 Anyone else have this? The "edit" should be called "butchered". The song cannot be edited. They tried and failed miserably. Ick. Rich Boston Univ. From mosk Wed Jun 15 11:11 PDT 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: conception > From 213170596@UCIS.VILL.EDU Wed Jun 15 10:48:09 1994 > > Yeah, me too! The local record store has this Conception thing > on vinyl and i always was reluctant to buy it cause i think its most of the > same songs from OSaH, if memory serves me correctly. Pardon me if this is in > the discography, i have it, but i don't feel like going through it again > right now. It's too long. (but then again, that length is a good thing.) > > timB > Alright then, for you lazy ones out there... :-) I agree the discog is a tad long, maybe I should break it into 3 sections, Church / solo / tapes? What do you kids think??? As for "Conception", the interesting thing is that it contains "A Different Man" from Sing-Songs, and the only CD-version of this song is on the CD-version of "Conception". It's worth getting the vinyl version if you don't have SS or if you have bucketfulls of cash... It's a good collection anyway... -morten 1988 Conception Marty Willson-Piper (Guitars) Richard Ploog (Drums, Percussion) Peter Koppes (Guitars) Steve Kilbey (Bass Guitar, Lead Vocals) Nick Ward (Drums, Percussion, Vocals, The Thing) * 5:44 When You Were Mine 4:01 Chrome Injury * 3:14 A Different Man 3:48 To Be In Your Eyes 7:39 Is This Where You Live * 4:12 The Unguarded Moment * 5:17 Just For You 4:43 Memories In Future Tense * 4:10 Almost With You 8:02 You Took LP Carrere CAL-229 (UK) CD Carrere CDCAL-229 (UK) CD East West 243858-2 (Germany) From mosk Wed Jun 15 11:18 PDT 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: RE: "Destination" promo > From brenta@microsoft.com Wed Jun 15 10:48:01 1994 > f > cool because it includes the "Rock Radio Remix" of Reptile. This mix > features drums that are mixed differently, and some synth washes that > jump out more than on the album mix. The sleeve also lists all of the > US Starfish tour dates. > ...up to July that is. I saw them on 5/14 and 8/14 in SF, the latter one with their best friend, Peter Murphy and (my best friend) Tom Verlaine as support acts.... The only Church concert I have managed to get my wife go see....(and yes, she liked PM best! Needless to say she hasn't been invited since... :-) also, the tour list does _not_ list the Navy Pier appearance on 6.23, but saying the played a different venue in Chicago the day before.... Details, I know.... Or is it tidbits while we're waiting for the next album?? :-) -m From 213170596@UCIS.VILL.EDU Wed Jun 15 11:28 PDT 1994 From: 213170596@UCIS.VILL.EDU (timB) Subject: stop! OOps! Stop right there! before you explain Conception. I just looked at the discography and found it. I'm THAT bored. Actually, its just that its 110 degrees today in Philadelphia and this computer room is well air-conditioned..... aaahhhhhhh...... 70 degrees in here......,....boy am i glad a don't have an outside job. timB From mosk Wed Jun 15 11:34 PDT 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: stop! > From 213170596@UCIS.VILL.EDU Wed Jun 15 11:28:14 1994 > Date: Wed, 15 Jun 1994 14:00 EST > From: 213170596@UCIS.VILL.EDU (timB) > To: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM > Subject: stop! > > > OOps! Stop right there! before you explain Conception. I just > looked at the discography and found it. I'm THAT bored. Actually, its > just that its 110 degrees today in Philadelphia and this computer room > is well air-conditioned..... > > aaahhhhhhh...... > > 70 degrees in here......,....boy am i glad a don't have an outside job. > > timB > Too late! :-) You're not the only one that's bored... :-) -m From BSmith@VCOMTELC.TELECOM.com.au Wed Jun 15 11:49 PDT 1994 From: "Smith, Brian" Subject: Re: sk & mwp tour > 6/10 Los Angeles (Press) A friend of mine at work says that the guys were on KCRW (?) in LA, promoting the album. Anybody hear it or tape it ? The general picture I have of this tour is that Steve is hating it, so he ignores the fans, but Marty's seems to be enjoying it, or it least making an effort to appear that way. Is this what everyone else thinks ? Any explanations ? Perhaps Steve is starting to believe his lyrics, or is taking them TOO seriously.... Brian From anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Wed Jun 15 12:00 PDT 1994 Reply-To: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Organization: Xymox UUCP System, Melbourne Australia From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Let's throw this one out again My system ate this response first time around; here it is again, salvaged from the depths of the mail spool... > Date: Fri, 10 Jun 94 23:05:13 +1000 > From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) > To: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM > Subject: Re: SA - Opinion Jonathan Payling said: > First of all I'm disgusted with the way fans and the church are being > treated in Australia by the record company. None of the shops in > Melbourne here seem to have any f' idea when the album is due exactly, > only "sometime this week... maybe in the next few weeks? etc".. It was released last Monday, June 6th. Most stores should have it by now unless they've been incredibly slack with ordering. Copies of the double version disc are now in plentiful supply around Melbourne; both Mushroom and Festival tell me that reviewers and other media will only get the single disc, so don't expect to read a lot about the songs on the bonus disc. I made them promise to order me a copy of the double in so I could include it in my hope it turns up. > And what's more I havn't seen one iota of promotion..I've heard a couple > of songs on the noncommercial radio stations but not alot.. Mushroom have made the album part of a triple promotion with the new albums by Paul Kelly and Vika & Linda Bull. Colour flyers are everywhere. You have to admit, though, SA is a hell of a difficult album to sell, especially without a strong single. > Has someone forgotten the church are an Australian band? Why has the > album been available in the states for 3 weeks?! ARGGH!! More succinctly, why did the completed album been sit in the can unreleased for months? -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au those herbal-tea moments." - Caroline Sullivan of The Guardian reviewing the new "Victoria Amos" album. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From rfd@buclaa.bu.edu Wed Jun 15 12:17 PDT 1994 From: rfd@buclaa.bu.edu (Richard F. Delano) Subject: Steve's attitude I would not be the least bit surpirsed if this is the end of Church tours or (God forbid!) The Church as a band. I hope I'm wrong on both counts, but I can deal with no tours more than I can deal with no Church. Steve is obviously unhappy about trudging around the US, but why? Here are some possible answers: - He doesn't like the US :( - He doesn't like touring in general - He's gone, man. Like, totally gone. OK, so I'm rambling. At least I know I'm not the only one bored today :) Rich Boston Univ. From thad.engeling@ccmail.natinst.com Wed Jun 15 13:18 PDT 1994 id AA771718351 Wed, 15 Jun 94 15:12:31 cst From: thad.engeling@ccmail.natinst.com Subject: SA+SE If anyone out there hasn't been able to find Sometime, Anywhere with the bonus disc, a local store has about 12 copies for $14 each. I would be willing to pick up copies and mail them for anyone who wants them. (you'll have to pay postage of course) later on, Thad "This isn't death, this is just a textural event" From powell@Kodak.COM Wed Jun 15 15:09 PDT 1994 Reply-To: powell@Kodak.COM From: Richard Powell Subject: Top 10 >From: Powell@Kodak.COM And someone asked about top ten favorites: For the Church, I started at Priest=Aura and worked backwards until I had 10 that I couldn't leave off the list. For Kilbey, I considered only non-Church work where he sang lead. ___The Church_______________ ___Steve Kilbey______________ Myrrh Out Of This World Youth Worshipper Judgement Day We Both Know Why You're Here Fireman Hotel Womb Something That Means Something Under the Milky Way A Favorite Pack Of Lies Metropolis Like A Ghost Fading Away Transaction Dome Life's Little Luxuries Feel Every Hour God Sends Nightmare Didn't Know Where I Was - Dick From gsa@panix.com Wed Jun 15 16:40 PDT 1994 From: Gary Assa Subject: Re: Goldfish, Jokes, Souvenirs video Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM > I'd like to get a copy of the Goldfish, Jokes, Souvenirs video somehow. > Problem is, it sure ain't for sale in New Zealand. Can anyone: > > 1. give me a quick rundown on what's on it > > 2. suggest how i can get it (i'd like a new copy, and not too expensive) > > 3. suggest the best way of getting it from USA or Oz to NZ? What format do you use in NoizyLand? We use NTSC, you may use PAL. From gsa@panix.com Wed Jun 15 16:42 PDT 1994 From: Gary Assa Subject: Re: Goldfish, Jokes, Souvenirs video Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM > actually was released in Australia. I know there was an earlier > collection that included "Already Yesterday" and "You Took", but > excluded the Starfish and GAF videos and also didn't have the > idle chatter between the songs... Anyone have the full details > on this? I actually have this one. I paid $39, and found I couldn't play it, so I had it converted for $99. Excellent packaging, but I doubt I would be willing to see it. Well, maybe... It IS in PAL format, and stereo. From gsa@panix.com Wed Jun 15 16:43 PDT 1994 From: Gary Assa Subject: Re: Conception? Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM An unsanctioned "greatest hits" put out by Carrere, their Aussie (or European) label. Nothing that you don't already have. --------------------------------------------------- 1. Earth is 98% full. Please delete anyone you can. 2. I came, I saw, I deleted all your files. 3. The world will end in 5 minutes. Please log out. From gsa@panix.com Wed Jun 15 16:45 PDT 1994 From: Gary Assa Subject: Re: stop! Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM > OOps! Stop right there! before you explain Conception. I just > looked at the discography and found it. I'm THAT bored. Actually, its > just that its 110 degrees today in Philadelphia and this computer room > is well air-conditioned..... Too late, it has been responded to, and OH YEAH, it's 154 in NY, so there!! From gsa@panix.com Wed Jun 15 16:48 PDT 1994 From: Gary Assa Subject: Re: Steve's attitude Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM > - He doesn't like the US :( True. just look at the lyrice to Columbus (I never should have let you go) > - He doesn't like touring in general Don't know about this > - He's gone, man. Like, totally gone. He's a dick! From 917815@edna.cc.swin.edu.au Wed Jun 15 18:06 PDT 1994 From: Jonathan Michael Payling <917815@edna.cc.swin.edu.au> Subject: SK Interview On radio station JJJ last night (Wednesday 15th) there was a Steve Kilbey interview on the Australian Music Show! Don't fret, the other half is being played next wednesday. It was a very good interview and Steve did not come across the slightest bit arrogant or pretentious and sounded extremely genuine, and actually really paid attention to the interviewer! (Richard Kingsmill), quite extraordinary considering his reputation!... He had some very interesting things to say.. - The choice of "Two Places at Once" for the first single was NOT his choice, bit someone's at Arista. AND they wanted to change the name to "I've been waiting" because they really believed people wouldn't recognise the original title because it wasn't in the song!!! They actually told SK that he "overestimated" the publics intelligence!! SK convinced them otherwise but they still insisted on putting I've been waiting in brackets on the cd so ppl would know... - Arista made a remix of TPAO for release in the US and SK hated this, so he and ADM made their own remix, however Arista still released their own version as the single and SK and ADMs is in the video.. - The song is called Two Places at Once because it was written seperately by the two of them.. SK wrote the 1 & 3 verses and MWP the 2 and 4th, so they are singing about two completely different things.. - SK is listening to alot of Ambient stuff these days and said he actually walked into a Melbourne (yay!) record store which specialises in ambient/industrial/techno (my guess is Peril 305 (where i got my US copy of SA :)) and bought a whole lot of cd's of which he liked the covers! - a classic was when Richard called the album very "lush", SK replied "we were very lush when we made the album"...RK: "What, on Alcohol, or something a bit stronger?", to which SK replied: "Anything we could get our hands on".. ! :) - he described SA as an album you'd listen to late at night when you've altered your conscious.. sounds like most Church albums personally.. A very good interview actually, so make sure you listen for the rest next week!! Cheers, Elkor. From mrg@mame.mu.OZ.AU Wed Jun 15 18:13 PDT 1994 Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Subject: Re: Let's throw this one out again <9406161231.1bua@xymox.apana.org.au> From: matthew green >> And what's more I havn't seen one iota of promotion..I've heard a couple >> of songs on the noncommercial radio stations but not alot.. > >Mushroom have made the album part of a triple promotion with the new albums >by Paul Kelly and Vika & Linda Bull. Colour flyers are everywhere. You have >to admit, though, SA is a hell of a difficult album to sell, especially >without a strong single. ... i was out of town all weekend, but my flat mate said that steve and marty were on 3MMM on sunday night, and that they played two places at once.. 3MMM is one of the biggest australian radio stations.. and it's strange they'd promo the church on it.. shrug. From dwp@maths.uq.oz.au Wed Jun 15 18:42 PDT 1994 From: dwp@maths.uq.oz.au A top ten of Church songs is extremely hard - it really depends on your mood !!!!!!!!1 However I am quite intrigued by other people choices. Anyway here are mine (pre-latest album ) 1 Fighter Pilot... Korean War 2 She Never Said 3 Myrrh 4 Electric 5 Ripple 6 When You Were Mine 7 In This Room 8 Destination 9 Shadow Cabinet 10 Chaos I still seem to have another 15 or so songs to put on my top ten It's just so hard. dean From @PUCC.PRINCETON.EDU,@DUVM.OCS.DREXEL.EDU:SG938Q7H@DUVM.OCS.DREXEL.EDU Wed Jun 15 18:43 PDT 1994 From: Susan Subject: Steve's (lousy) Attitude It pains me to hear that SK has such a negative attitude towards the fans. I suppose that he has decided that people won't stop buying his work just because he is rude and cranky, but it certainly doesn't leave anyone with a pleasant taste in their mouth. It's even more ironic considering Marty's attitude, from what I gather is fairly pleasant. I wonder what Steve says to Marty after the show? "Jesus Marty, you don't have to act like such a boyscout all the time." (Are there "boyscouts" in Austrailia?) Another thread of thought,regarding Peter Murphy, one of Steve and Marty's least favorite music artists (from the AOL forum). I recall, during the GAF concert tour, Steve goofing with the audience between songs, mimicking and imitating other well known performers. I can't recall exact words, but he says something like "This is...David Bowie." He grabs the Mike with one hand, stares at the audience, extends his other arm and points at the back wall. Kind of like Bowie in all of those videos for "Let's Dance". Then he says, "Peter Murphy," clasps his hands behind his back, bends over at the waist, extending his clasped hands above his head----- -just like Peter Murphy on the cover of his album that had just come out near GAF. I think he did a couple more, I'm not sure. It was pretty funny, although I don't think a lot of people understood the Peter Murphy reference. Does anyone recall him doing that at other GAF shows? (I'm in Philadelphia). Bored too, Susan From KDSCHMITT@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu Wed Jun 15 19:21 PDT 1994 15 Jun 1994 22:21:49 -0400 (EDT) From: KDSCHMITT@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu Subject: Top Ten Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Good songs Dick, but I have my own top ten: 1. Disappear? 2. A New Season 3. Grind 4. Laughing 5. The Feast 6. Antenna 7. To Be In Your Eyes 8. One Day 9. A Month Of Sundays 10. Film ---der schmitt From KDSCHMITT@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu Wed Jun 15 19:23 PDT 1994 15 Jun 1994 22:24:04 -0400 (EDT) From: KDSCHMITT@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu Subject: Discography Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Could someone please tell me how to access the discography? Thanks in advance. ---der schmitt From mori0019@gold.tc.umn.edu Wed Jun 15 19:57 PDT 1994 From: Keith K Morioka Subject: Re: Steve's (lousy) Attitude Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Susan, About the Peter Murphy thing, He did that here in Minneapolis too, I thought that it was quite funny, I think he said, "Anyone want to see my Peter Murphy impression?" and then posed like the cover of Deep (Peter's Album) Later, Keith On Wed, 15 Jun 1994, Susan wrote: > It pains me to hear that SK has such a negative attitude towards the fans. > I suppose that he has decided that people won't stop buying his work just > because he is rude and cranky, but it certainly doesn't leave anyone with a > pleasant taste in their mouth. > > It's even more ironic considering Marty's attitude, from what I gather is > fairly pleasant. I wonder what Steve says to Marty after the show? "Jesus > Marty, you don't have to act like such a boyscout all the time." (Are there > "boyscouts" in Austrailia?) > > Another thread of thought,regarding Peter Murphy, one of Steve and Marty's > least favorite music artists (from the AOL forum). > I recall, during the GAF concert tour, Steve goofing with the audience > between songs, mimicking and imitating other well known performers. I can't > recall exact words, but he says something like "This is...David Bowie." > He grabs the Mike with one hand, stares at the audience, extends his other > arm and points at the back wall. Kind of like Bowie in all of those videos for > "Let's Dance". Then he says, "Peter Murphy," clasps his hands behind his > back, bends over at the waist, extending his clasped hands above his head----- > -just like Peter Murphy on the cover of his album that had just come out near > GAF. I think he did a couple more, I'm not sure. It was pretty > funny, although I don't think a lot of people understood the Peter Murphy > reference. Does anyone recall him doing that at other GAF shows? (I'm > in Philadelphia). > > Bored too, > Susan From ctn2d@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu Wed Jun 15 20:05 PDT 1994 15 Jun 94 23:05 EDT From: ctn2d@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Subject: Re: SK Interview I wrote to a guy recently about my experiencyes with steve and i don't think it got to everyone. To summarize, because the topic is coming up again.... I met him when he played with jack frost. It was great. He was real friend.y/cool and let me hang out with him for 15-30 mins. Next time i saw him 3-4 mos. later, he recognized me and again we hung out for a short length of time. He played a few songs for me including weat he could remember of judgement day and no such thing. Again, very cool. recently, on this acoustink thing, he was very standoff. He said asomething about meditating and to talk to him after ths show. He took off. I understand that he could get annoyed by all of us shits, plus many more, espcecially with the rise of alternative popularity etc. but.... In any case, on another topic: Does anyone else get annoyed by the overwhelming drug references by the church? I have read several old intervies where not only did steve give honest straightforward answers, but there was very little, if any, mention of drugs. Personally, I think they suck, and as far as the creativity goes, robyn hitchcock, oneo f the most creative musicians around, denied their positive effects on creatiity etc. well, anyway, chris Sadly, many children are not even born into families today, but are orphaned even before their birth by the choice of their parents who do not want them. This grieves my heart so. Cherish your children and give them the stable environment they deserve. -The Blessed Virgin Mary, March 7, 1987 From PSLAKE@SUVM.SYR.EDU Wed Jun 15 20:23 PDT 1994 Wed, 15 Jun 94 23:23:15 LCL From: PSLAKE@SUVM.SYR.EDU Regarding Conception, I found a copy of that in Switzerland last Summer. It's a good mix of songs off of the first 2 albums and "A Different Man" from Sing-Songs. Actually, I probably wouldn't have bought it if the Sing-Songs track hadn't been on it. As far as CD prices in Switzerland; don't buy any- thing unless you really need it from the major stores (the Church being a natural exception:). I think they sold for around $22 or so on average (that being in U.S. dollars). Of course, everything's expensive there; the cost of living is around the highest in the world in Switzerland, though the average salary's much higher, too. They even out. The place to get CDs is from those shady characters who hang around selling really cheap CDs in the marketplaces, along with the blue-haired old ladies selling antiques, and the artistes selling genuine original hand-carved wooden frogs ("What 'made in Japan' sticker?"). I got several CDs for from $6-$10, which isn't bad at all. By the ways, does anybody know why All About Eve have broken up? Whose idea was it? Also, if anybody's taping the radio broadcasts (Besides the San Fransisco one, I think), feel free to send me a message; I'd like to get ahold of some a oops! got cut-off. Anyhow, I'd love to get ahold of some of those radio broadcasts. About the new album; I think it's great! I like every song on the album at least a little (the Maven being my least favorite), especially the second half. I think "Business Woman"'s the most catchy, by the ways, and don't really understand how some of you don't like it. Oh, well. For some reason, it seems like the wide variety of songs on SA really seems to split people's reactions to the album more than usual. I've seen very few (if any) people who have liked every song, so I guess I'm a minority. Well, perhaps some of these songs might lose my interest after a while. I do agree, though, that there aren't really any songs I could pick that would appeal to a large enough audience to make a good single. I finally saw the 2PAO video last Sunday (I was afraid they wouldn't ever play it again! After all, I only saw "Ripple" once, when they premiered it. Boy does that suck! Great video, what I remember of it.) It was okay, though I think I'll have to see it again to really make my mind up on it. Steve and Marty both looked like they could use a break or something. Anyhow, I've gone on long enough... -Dave From BSmith@VCOMTELC.TELECOM.com.au Wed Jun 15 20:43 PDT 1994 From: "Smith, Brian" Subject: Loveblind Does anyone else recognize this scenario. 1) Put on SA. Listen to Day of the Dead....yeah ! 2) Hm...Lost My Touch...well, why the Hell not. Don't pay too much attention to it though. 3) Loveblind ! Cool sound, like a detective movie, cool lyrics....UNTIL 4) "I HAD A SHAVE, IT WAS CLOSE TOO......A CLOSE SHAVE." What the hell was Skilbey thinking ! That has got to win the Cheddar Award for "Cheesiest Lyric on the Album". It really spoils the song, I think. It's so out of character/style with the rest of the song. Any seconders ?! From mrg@mame.mu.OZ.AU Wed Jun 15 21:48 PDT 1994 Subject: Re: stop! From: matthew green is everyone bored? From kallista@netcom.com Wed Jun 15 23:24 PDT 1994 From: kallista@netcom.com (Christopher Barrus) Subject: Re: SK Interview & Drugs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > From: ctn2d@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu > Date: Wed, 15 Jun 1994 23:05:57 -0400 > I understand that he could get annoyed by all of us shits, plus > many more, espcecially with the rise of alternative popularity > etc. but.... It's possible that he hates this acoustic tour (which has been hinted at previously) and that he simply does not want to deal. During the GAF tour stop in L.A., Steve was pretty put out by the relative staidness of the audience who didn't really pay attention to the show and talked amonst themselves. I found it pretty annoying myself because I couldn't hear the show over the talking, until Steve basically stopped the show until everyone shut up. After that, they launched into one of the most intense 60 minutes of music I'd sen. > Does anyone else get annoyed by the overwhelming drug references > by the church? I have read several old intervies where not only > did steve give honest straightforward answers, but there was very > little, if any, mention of drugs. Personally, I think they suck, > and as far as the creativity goes, robyn hitchcock, oneo f the > most creative musicians around, denied their positive effects on > creatiity etc. Open to interpretation I suppose. I have no problem with responsible drug use, but a big problem with drug abuse. One of my most favorite bands, Spacemen 3, has stood out for responsible use and has put some amazing stuff (again, IMHO) out. I'm very interested in how Arista deals with The Church, because a SP3 off-shoot band (Spiritualized) is due to release an album later in the year on Arista. -Chris P.S. I recommend Spiritualized's _Lazer Guided Melodies_ to everyone. Not really jangle-pop of early Church stuff, but more of the mid-tempo sonicness of P=A. ========================================================================== Chris Barrus - kallista@netcom.com | "Route 66 is a giant chute down which | everything loose in this country is '72 Riviera - Peace through | sliding into Southern California." superior automotive power! | - Frank Lloyd Wright ========================================================================== From vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu Thu Jun 16 06:02 PDT 1994 via MS.5.6.pcs21.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4c_411; From: Vernon H Harmon Subject: Re: Loveblind >1) Put on SA. Listen to Day of the Dead....yeah ! >2) Hm...Lost My Touch...well, why the Hell not. Don't pay too much >attention to it though. >3) Loveblind ! Cool sound, like a detective movie, cool lyrics....UNTIL >4) "I HAD A SHAVE, IT WAS CLOSE TOO......A CLOSE SHAVE." > What the hell was Skilbey thinking ! That has got to win the Cheddar >Award for "Cheesiest Lyric on the Album". > It really spoils the song, I think. It's so out of character/style >with >the rest of the song. well, if you think so. Personally, I think the cheesiest lyric is the line that's been mentioned before, from "The Maven," that goes "so what the fuckin' heck! Yeah!" Blech! I think the "yeah!" at the end is what really makes it cheesy.... --Vernon, Grouser Extraordinaire! From rfd@buclaa.bu.edu Thu Jun 16 08:30 PDT 1994 From: rfd@buclaa.bu.edu (Richard F. Delano) Subject: Only 10? Okay, just the first 10 I think of. (in no particular order) 1) Myrrh 2) Bel-Air 3) Is This Where You Live 4) Destination 5) Terra Nova Cain 6) Almost With You 7) Tantalized 8) Sisters 9) Spark 10) It's No Reason Ask me tomorrow and you'll get 10 different songs :) Actually, "It's No Reason" has just finally connected with me. For some reason I love the song now. Before it just kind of sat there and plodded along, but now I think it's brilliant. These things happen to me. Anyone else experience this with any Church stuff, where something you've known for ages just comes out of nowhere and just grabs your attention for no reason (no pun intended)? Rich B.U. (Boredom Unending) From powell@Kodak.COM Thu Jun 16 09:12 PDT 1994 Reply-To: powell@Kodak.COM From: Richard Powell Subject: misc >From: Powell@Kodak.COM > Does anyone else get annoyed by the overwhelming drug > references by the church? Not at all. They don't deny 'indulging' on occasion, however, I've never heard them encourage drug use. The only definitive drug related message I see from the band is: drug *abuse* is not tolerated. > re: top ten songs - > It seems that you picked a lot of the "more religious" > songs. Just wondering if that was intentional or not. Interesting observation, but No, it's not intentional. Honestly, I'm not sure what makes a song 'religious'. I've never even thought about a possible connection between any religious beliefs and music by The Church. I just like the music and/or the lyrics. > Kilbey is acting like a dick. I disagree. (heh heh) - Dick From powell@Kodak.COM Thu Jun 16 16:00 PDT 1994 Reply-To: powell@Kodak.COM From: Richard Powell Subject: more discog.... >From: Powell@Kodak.COM (Anthony - Please see an attached message specifically for you at the end) Morton - I been scrounging though my records & CDs looking for any info that might help 'complete' (hah) the Church Discography. The attached list includes some missing song times (only). - Dick PS: Why is "The Church Live at Maxwells" album listed in the Short & Long official release section? Is it a legal record? ----- Begin Included Message ----- 1986 4:33 Warm Spell 7" Flexi-disc BOB 9 (UK) 7" BOB 9 LYNTONE CUSTOM (UK) Supplement with Bucketfull Of Brains Issue # 15. Hard Vinyl has same cut but superior sound to flexi. 1988 5:31 Texas Moon 7" Flexi-disc BOB 19 (UK) Supplement with Bucketfull Of Brains Issue # 25. 1988 4:56 Reptile 5:36 Texas Moon 7" Mushroom K574 MX-70181 (Australia) (Green vinyl) 1989 Tequila Sunrise 3:32 Unsubstantiated Note: Movie Soundtrack, contains above song by the Church. Song does not appear in the film. Unreleased elsewhere. LP Capitol C1-91185 (USA) CD Capitol C1-91185 (?) (USA) 1985 3:55 This Asphalt Eden 3:00 Never Come Back 3:45 Shell 7" EMI Parlophone A 1516 (Australia) 7" Red Eye Records RED 13 (Australia) 1987 4:40 Fireman 2:48 Forgetfulness 2:03 Nonapology 7" Red Eye RED 14 (Australia) ----- End Included Message ----- Hey Anthony - I'm not having any luck replying directly to your message. I'll keep trying. Please e-mail me if you recieve this message (sent via the seance dist). - Dick > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > > 554 ... 550 Host unknown > (Authoritative answer from name server) > > Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au From mosk Thu Jun 16 16:30 PDT 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: more discog.... > From powell@Kodak.COM Thu Jun 16 16:00:27 1994 > Morton - > > I been scrounging though my records & CDs looking for any info that > might help 'complete' (hah) the Church Discography. The attached list > includes some missing song times (only). > Thanks! And in "copy and paste" format too... I love it! > - Dick > > PS: Why is "The Church Live at Maxwells" album listed in the Short & > Long official release section? Is it a legal record? No, if you look in the right hand column you will see it isn't. There's also a couple of other entries that are not. The reason they are included is because I am trying to list all the releases that are or have been available, whether they are official or not... -morten (yes, I am a completeist! :-) From mrg@mame.mu.OZ.AU Thu Jun 16 17:33 PDT 1994 Subject: Re: Only 10? <9406161529.AA13257@buclaa.bu.edu> From: matthew green top 10. hmm.. haven't we done this before? morten, you should go find all the old answers, maybe even the results of that, uh, survey someone did. lemme try this top 10 game again. texas moon hunter aura ripple film pharaoh essence grind destination north, south, east and west reptile hotel womb myrrh columbus tantalised constant in opal shadow cabinet fly travel by thought it doesn't change the unguarded moment is this where you live almost with you when you were mine an interlude you took life speeds up trace ending um. i failed. lets try again. aura ripple film pharaoh destination hotel womb myrrh constant in opal shadow cabinet is this where you live when you were mine you took trace ending sorry, i can't get it under that today. oh, there is no order either. From gsa@panix.com Thu Jun 16 18:31 PDT 1994 From: Gary Assa Subject: Re: Steve's (lousy) Attitude Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM > Another thread of thought,regarding Peter Murphy, one of Steve and Marty's > least favorite music artists (from the AOL forum). > I recall, during the GAF concert tour, Steve goofing with the audience > between songs, mimicking and imitating other well known performers. I can't > recall exact words, but he says something like "This is...David Bowie." > He grabs the Mike with one hand, stares at the audience, extends his other > arm and points at the back wall. Kind of like Bowie in all of those videos for > "Let's Dance". Then he says, "Peter Murphy," clasps his hands behind his > back, bends over at the waist, extending his clasped hands above his head----- > -just like Peter Murphy on the cover of his album that had just come out near > GAF. I think he did a couple more, I'm not sure. It was pretty > funny, although I don't think a lot of people understood the Peter Murphy > reference. Does anyone recall him doing that at other GAF shows? (I'm > in Philadelphia). SUSAN: Chstnut Cabaret! Yeah! I got there at 4pm, and the shirt guy let me in, so I didn't even have to pay for that show. I walked up to the stage 3 hours beofre the show started, and was right in front. And of course I remember his antics. The one you left out was Morrissey. I was the one who requested "Happy Hunting Ground" to which he said, "Oh yeah, where are we going to get a 50 piece orchestra. Wow! I can't believe you were there. What were you wearing. I met 2 girls from DC, and my friends from New Haven were right up front with me. It would be funny if one of the other people I was talking to was you. From dwohlfor@sisters.cs.uoregon.edu Thu Jun 16 20:59 PDT 1994 From: dwohlfor@sisters.cs.uoregon.edu Subject: RE: Only 10? Yeah, Rich, that sort of epiphany happens to me a lot too. I'll just be cruising along, when all of a sudden, songs will just strike me as being particularly...poignant (I love that word). But songs like Sisters, It's No Reason and a few others will always be on the "Top 10" list. In a different vein, how many guitarists do we have on the list? I was wondering if anyone would like to start on a TAB collaboration with me. I was thinking we could all sort of pool the bits we've transcribed and then refine them and finalize? Sound like an idea, or just the idle dream of a Comp. Sci. student whose spending his summer roofing... Dia do bhaitha, dave From aaron@cleese.apana.org.au Thu Jun 16 21:41 PDT 1994 From: Aaron Schilling Subject: subscribe Hi, I have been reading the mailing list for some time now but seeing it was a compiled newsgroup I was unable to post. Could you please put me on the mailing-list. Thanks, Aaron Schilling. From kallista@netcom.com Fri Jun 17 01:53 PDT 1994 From: kallista@netcom.com (Chris Barrus) Subject: RE: Only 10? >In a different vein, how many guitarists do we have on the list? Count me. In and out of bands over the past ten years. Chris ========================================================================== Chris Barrus - kallista@netcom.com | "Route 66 is a giant chute down which | everything loose in this country is '72 Riviera - Peace through | sliding into Southern California." superior automotive power! | - Frank Lloyd Wright ========================================================================== From matthew.blair@afrc.ac.uk Fri Jun 17 01:57 PDT 1994 Content-Identifier: 11868A661F00 From: BLAIRM Subject: Dia do bhaitha ? Sensitivity: Company-Confidential dave writes: > In a different vein, how many guitarists do we have on the list? Well 1 at least, me ! I play 6 and 12 string electric and accoustic, and am attempting mandolin too. I also play a bit bass, and dabble with keyboards (tho' I _can't_ play the damned thing). > I was wondering if anyone would like to start on a TAB collaboration > with me. I'd love to, _if_ I actually get around to writing down any of the bits I know. I may give it a go this weekend. I'm a bit of a lazy sod when it comes to playing the old geetar. I always wanted to hire a session musician to play all the guitar parts for me, while I just stood and mimed. hahahaha if only I had the money... > Dia do bhaitha, Huh ? Matt. From 21922SM@msu.edu Fri Jun 17 06:20 PDT 1994 Fri, 17 Jun 94 09:21:44 EDT From: "Scott.Mikusko" <21922SM@msu.edu> Subject: Great new album. As I sit here typing in this blistering humid hell of Michigan weather, I'm enjoying the new Church album. Got both discs for $12.99, so I don't what you guys have been paying for it. I think I might have asked this before, but what happened to Koppes? I read the bit about Ploog being "excommunicated", but what of the earlier drummer and the guitar player? Is SA their final record on the current contract? From reading the last weeks worth of posts, I didn't realise just how busy SK and MWP were in other groups, solo projects, and such. I remember seeing a couple solo albums floating about, but I never picked one up. I thought I saw some tour dates posted earlier, could anyone send me a copy of that? The Church had a habit of playing Ann Arbor during the last few tours (which of course I always found out about two weeks AFTER the show...) Any chance of a Michigan appearance. Now back to our regulary scheduled sweating. -Scott ======================================================================== Scott Thomas Mikusko "But the truth DOES matter!!" Internet Guerilla smikusko@nyx.cs.du.edu -Bob Larson 21922sm@msu.edu mikuskos@student.msu.edu ======================================================================== From 21922SM@msu.edu Fri Jun 17 06:37 PDT 1994 Fri, 17 Jun 94 09:38:43 EDT From: "Scott.Mikusko" <21922SM@msu.edu> Subject: SA and the obvious questions. As I sit here typing in this blistering humid hell of Michigan weather, I'm enjoying the new Church album. Got both discs for $12.99, so I don't what you guys have been paying for it. I think I might have asked this before, but what happened to Koppes? I read the bit about Ploog being "excommunicated", but what of the earlier drummer and the guitar player? Is SA their final record on the current contract? From reading the last weeks worth of posts, I didn't realise just how busy SK and MWP were in other groups, solo projects, and such. I remember seeing a couple solo albums floating about, but I never picked one up. I thought I saw some tour dates posted earlier, could anyone send me a copy of that? The Church had a habit of playing Ann Arbor during the last few tours (which of course I always found out about two weeks AFTER the show...) Any chance of a Michigan appearance. Now back to our regulary scheduled sweating. -Scott ======================================================================== Scott Thomas Mikusko "But the truth DOES matter!!" Internet Guerilla smikusko@nyx.cs.du.edu -Bob Larson 21922sm@msu.edu mikuskos@student.msu.edu ======================================================================== From FURSTD@BoysTown.ORG Fri Jun 17 06:37 PDT 1994 From: FURSTD@BoysTown.ORG (DAVID FURST) Tally up another guitarist, about 20 years worth of experience here. I also have a yamaha sy22 keyboard and a sequencing package on my computer. I'm especially interested in if anyone knows the exact chords to the breaks in Lustre off P=A where he sings about "ride this old horse into gold rush town, if that's the kind of company you keep......see you in your sleep." I love that song. Seems like they write about astral projection and incubus/succubus/vampires an awful lot. Probably why steve is always in a bad mood, he's not really there (2PAO). And gets ticked when people interrupt. DIdn't someone earlier say he said something about meditating. Also, tally another for Business Woman. Love that song, probably cause I'm in love with one I can't have. Oh, well. -Dave From matthew.blair@afrc.ac.uk Fri Jun 17 06:44 PDT 1994 Content-Identifier: 11868AD20500 From: BLAIRM Subject: problems Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Hi, sorry to be a pest, but are _any_ of my mail messages getting through ? Every time I send something, I get a horrible mail message back saying recipient unknown. The last one I wrote was in answer to dave's question about guitar players, and TAB. If anyone can let me know if my messages are getting through I would be gratefull. Thanks, in anticipation matt. god I hope im not writing all this for myself. its like sending a message in a bottle and not knowing if anyone is going to read it, or reply. From 21922SM@msu.edu Fri Jun 17 08:07 PDT 1994 Fri, 17 Jun 94 11:08:25 EDT From: "Scott.Mikusko" <21922SM@msu.edu> Subject: Problems? Calling Powdered-Toast Man. Come in. Powdered-Toast Man, please respond! -Scott From mosk Fri Jun 17 08:15 PDT 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: problems > From matthew.blair@afrc.ac.uk Fri Jun 17 06:44:04 1994 > > Hi, sorry to be a pest, but are _any_ of my mail messages getting through ? > Every time I send something, I get a horrible mail message back saying > recipient unknown. The last one I wrote was in answer to dave's question > about guitar players, and TAB. If anyone can let me know if my messages are > getting through I would be gratefull. Thanks, in anticipation matt. > > god I hope im not writing all this for myself. its like sending a message > in a bottle and not knowing if anyone is going to read it, or reply. > We found the bottle, Matthew... In other words, both your messages came through... Last week we had some mailing problems company wide, because some of our "beloved" Networking guys decided to play (read: f*ck) with the global sendmail configuration. I have been told that all problems have been fixed, but I'm not convinced... Local users are still complaining, and some of you get nauseating mailer-daemon messages. At this point, all I can say is that it appears to be ok, but please let me know if you suspect that there is a problem, so I can investigate... And while we're at it... Some of you have complained that you don't see your own posts to the list... I still think that's a local problem on your side, since as far as I can remember, it happens to the same people all the time. But I'd like to make sure. Can those of you who have this problem send me an e-mail so I can double check my end? Enough admin talk... let's keep all those wonderful posts coming... :-) Enjoy the weekend... -morten From 21922SM@msu.edu Fri Jun 17 08:26 PDT 1994 Fri, 17 Jun 94 11:27:52 EDT From: "Scott.Mikusko" <21922SM@msu.edu> Subject: Returned mail: User unknown ----------( Forwarded letter 1 follows )---------------------------------------- Jun 94 11:17:34 EDT Fri, 17 Jun 94 11:17:34 EDT From: Mailer-Daemon@Sun.COM (Mail Delivery Subsystem) Subject: Returned mail: User unknown ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 421 afrc.ac.uk: Host sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk is down, will keep trying for 3 days Connected to sunset.cse.nau.edu: >>> RCPT To: <<< 550 ... User unknown 550 ... User unknown ----- Unsent message follows ----- Fri, 17 Jun 94 11:08:25 EDT From: "Scott.Mikusko" <21922SM@msu.edu> Subject: Problems? Calling Powdered-Toast Man. Come in. Powdered-Toast Man, please respond! -Scott From ckoontz@centerice.aud.alcatel.com Fri Jun 17 08:29 PDT 1994 From: ckoontz@centerice.aud.alcatel.com (Columbia Blue Carl) Subject: Cheesy lyrics I must agree with the original poster about the close shave bit in "Loveblind" as striking me as a little dumb upon the first hearing of the song. However, if you look at is "it was close to a close shave", where the to has one "o", it actually comes across as a clever little lyric, with SK using close to describe a standard compound noun that contains the same word. I don't think the line detracts from the song, although I didn't feel that way at first. Other potentially cheesy lyrics are masked with the brilliance of SK in "Business Woman". Lines such as "with her communication skills" and "she's got a head on her shoulders" which would be cheesy in most cases, are not even close since SK sets the tone of his attitude of the buisiness woman early with the line "I imagine her in bed" and later with the slightly obvious "And when she comes the stars explode, exquisite results in input mode." I think the cheesiest lyric on the album (although it doesn't bother me one bit) would be the line about "washing away the statues of Sharon Stone", although you must admit Steve has quite good taste... Carl From mosk Fri Jun 17 09:45 PDT 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: Cheesy lyrics > From ckoontz@centerice.aud.alcatel.com Fri Jun 17 08:29:23 1994 > I think the cheesiest lyric on the album (although it doesn't bother me > one bit) would be the line about "washing away the statues of Sharon > Stone", although you must admit Steve has quite good taste... > > Carl > Definetely good taste... I _love_ that line... :-) All in all, I think the lyrics on this album are some of the better SK has come up with. They are definetely displaying his sense of humour... And I love the way Steve plays around with familiar images and twists brand new meanings out of them... Poetic Art... -mmmmmm From pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Fri Jun 17 10:01 PDT 1994 From: pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Subject: cheezy lyrics As far as cheezy lyrics go, Carl mentioned "she's got a head on her shoulders" from Business Woman. You can read this line as "she's got ahead on her shoulders". Maybe that throws a different spin on it? No, I guess not. BTW, I got a copy of the "Earth Music" cd yesterday, with "Room Full of Diamonds" by the Church, and I highly reccomend it. I have not heard the original Radiators version of the song, but it's really mellow, low kilbey voice and slow strumming guitar, then swirling electric later by Marty. This is actually a song that i can picture coming off just about any Church album, which is funny considering that they didn't write it. The song by Ross Wilson, "The world's got everything in it" that is on the disc was actually written by Spencer Jones and Tex Perkins from the Beasts of Bourbon. The discography lists Richard Ploog as spending some time with the Beasts, so maybe there's more of a Church connection here than we thought! Sorry to hear how hot it is throughout the US. Beautiful here in Santa Cruz, must be the gentle ocean breeze......... -paul From iy17@jove.acs.unt.edu Fri Jun 17 10:45 PDT 1994 From: Koontz Christopher Noel Subject: re : columbia blue carl's cheesy lyric observations blatant, sycophantic hero-worship of our beloved SK reeks throughout your post, CBC. keep up the good work. From mrg@mame.mu.OZ.AU Sat Jun 18 08:26 PDT 1994 Subject: churhc rage special! From: matthew green for the australia geeks who are on RIGHT NOW, the is a church special on rage. it's 1:24am now, sunday, and it's upto it's no reason. YAY!!!!!!!1 .mrg. From mrg@oink.home Sat Jun 18 09:20 PDT 1994 X-Authentication-Warning: oink.home: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol From: mrg@mame.mu.OZ.AU Subject: video for two places at once. Sender: mrg@oink.home hi, it's like the lyrics; two parts. it's set in some mexican house, i think. steve sits in a room with a childwoman (it swaps) with a guitar.. marty stands around outside somewhere with his rick. it's good. man(s), i got to see the ripple video again tonight, also. that was so great to see again (smirk to all the americans ;). they also played `thought that i was over you' from jack frost. steve looked like he grant smile a fair bit. i think it's time to put sometime anywhere on again, as something i'm not completely enjoying is on the tv now ;) .mrg. ps, sorry for misspelling 'church' before ; From balst9+@pitt.edu Sat Jun 18 17:14 PDT 1994 From: Bradley A Lewis Subject: Re: Loveblind Cc: Church On Thu, 16 Jun 1994, Smith, Brian wrote: > 3) Loveblind ! Cool sound, like a detective movie, cool lyrics....UNTIL > 4) "I HAD A SHAVE, IT WAS CLOSE TOO......A CLOSE SHAVE." > What the hell was Skilbey thinking ! That has got to win the Cheddar > Award for "Cheesiest Lyric on the Album". > It really spoils the song, I think. It's so out of character/style with > the rest of the song. > > Any seconders ?! Gawd, yes. Loveblind is a pretty good song except for the sometimes unfortunate lyrical embarrassments. Another one I can't get out of my head is when Steve over-emphasizes _Lady_ (as in " that the LADY , was Loveblind...") I keep hearing Jerry Lewis singing it. Hope that no one else hears it . __Brad From KDSCHMITT@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu Sat Jun 18 22:36 PDT 1994 19 Jun 1994 01:36:57 -0400 (EDT) From: KDSCHMITT@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu Subject: Church on Vinyl Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hello, I was in the record store the other day and I saw something really cool. I saw a two record set of the Church's new one on vinyl. It folded out and there was stuff on the inside, but I didn't see it cause it wasn't open. Anyone see this? ---der schmitt From anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Sun Jun 19 10:12 PDT 1994 Reply-To: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Organization: Xymox UUCP System, Melbourne Australia From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Re: Loveblind Vernon grouses... > well, if you think so. Personally, I think the cheesiest lyric is the > line that's been mentioned before, from "The Maven," that goes > "so what the fuckin' heck! Yeah!" Blech! I think the "yeah!" at the > end is what really makes it cheesy.... That was me who mentioned it. It still annoys the hell out of me, mainly because it's sung like a naughty child who thinks bucking the system equals saying "fuck" would sing it. :) Yeah! -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au those herbal-tea moments." - Caroline Sullivan of The Guardian reviewing the new "Victoria Amos" album. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Sun Jun 19 10:12 PDT 1994 Reply-To: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Organization: Xymox UUCP System, Melbourne Australia From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Re: Conception? In apana.lists.music.the-church, article , you wrote: > An unsanctioned "greatest hits" put out by Carrere, their Aussie (or > European) label. Nothing that you don't already have. Not their Australian label - that was EMI at the time. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au those herbal-tea moments." - Caroline Sullivan of The Guardian reviewing the new "Victoria Amos" album. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Sun Jun 19 10:14 PDT 1994 Reply-To: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Organization: Xymox UUCP System, Melbourne Australia From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Re: conception Morten said: > Alright then, for you lazy ones out there... :-) > I agree the discog is a tad long, maybe I should > break it into 3 sections, Church / solo / tapes? > What do you kids think??? Maybe convert it to texinfo format so that those with access to the appropriate software can browse it more easily; I can convert texinfo files to AmigaGuide hypertext for Amiga users, by the way, and I can put you onto someone who can produce a MS Windows version... -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au those herbal-tea moments." - Caroline Sullivan of The Guardian reviewing the new "Victoria Amos" album. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Sun Jun 19 10:18 PDT 1994 Reply-To: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Organization: Xymox UUCP System, Melbourne Australia From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Re: narcosis Post number four from me! Morten said: > Sadly, the "Narcosis" ep has long been deleted. I have a hard time > finding additional copies of it. RedEye does _not_ have it, at least > not the last time I checked... They may eventually get a used copy > in, but generally speaking, Narcosis is hard to get hold of. And, That's a shame. It's one of the best things Kilbey's done, as I said previously. Anyone wanting a DAT or MiniDisc (or normal cassette) copy of it while they search for the real thing, just mail me, I'd be happy to help out. > according to Anthony here, in Australia the leftover cds are actually > recalled and chrushed when they get deleted. It's an old Australian > tradition... :-) :-) Only with singles, as a rule, at least that quickly. I would have thought in this case Red Eye might have retrieved left-over stock from PolyGram for their own use, but it seems not. If I see any copies around, I'll be sure and pick them up, and let you all know. > Pity, as it is some of the best stuff Kilbey has delivered.... Is there an echo in here? :) A lot of SA reminds me of "Narcosis" as well, which is another reason I like it so much... > I managed to get a second copy for my own collection recently > from Vicious Sloth Records down there in Ozzie-land somewhere > (I can never get Melbourne or Sydney straight, I need a map It's in Melbourne, I think... > for my office.... :-). I paid through the nose for it, > about $35 US dollars, which is a lot when you know that a local > store had several copies for $7 each a couple of years ago.... Ouch! (I got mine for free, but that's beside the point :-) - Anthony -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au those herbal-tea moments." - Caroline Sullivan of The Guardian reviewing the new "Victoria Amos" album. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Sun Jun 19 10:25 PDT 1994 Reply-To: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Organization: Xymox UUCP System, Melbourne Australia From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Re: Goldfish, Jokes, Souvenirs video Morten said: > I believe you will have problems with playing the US version in NZ, > unless you have a system that can play both PAL and NTSC (is that what > it's called?). Yup. Australia and New Zealand use the PAL video system, the US uses NTSC. Both formats are completely incompatible, using different tape speeds as well as a different number of fields per second. Multistandard VCRs are common in Australia, in two forms. Cheaper ones can play NTSC videotapes on PAL televisions and monitors by doing a bit of colour simulation and forcing the TV to use a 60Hz field rate; "proper" multistandard ones do that but also can play back NTSC tapes in pure NTSC, as long as you have a multistandard TV that can cope with it. The Sony SLV-X810 VHS HiFi machine that I have does the job nicely and costs about AUS$900. All of this means that any of you are wlecome to send me videos from the US. :-) > I'm a little unclear whether the "Goldfish" video > actually was released in Australia. It was; I don't have it, but the ARIA catalogue lists it as: Goldfish (Jokes, Magic And Souvenirs) V83237 FES "FES" is Festival Video. > I know there was an earlier > collection that included "Already Yesterday" and "You Took", but > excluded the Starfish and GAF videos and also didn't have the > idle chatter between the songs... Anyone have the full details > on this? Certainly! :-) It originally came out through EMI, but is now, if still available, on the VSA (Video Selection Australia) label through Village Roadshow. It was a pretty haphazard collection of clips quickly thrown together, and like the UK tracks are in mono and sound awful. (The "digitally mastered" on the cover of the UK "Goldfish" is, simply, untrue). "The Church" VSA Video (VHS) E6049 (PAL) Tantalized Already Yesterday Unguarded Moment Bel Air Too Fast For You Tear It All Away You Took Almost With You Different Man Fly It's No Reason Electric Lash Constant In Opal -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au those herbal-tea moments." - Caroline Sullivan of The Guardian reviewing the new "Victoria Amos" album. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From BSmith@VCOMTELC.TELECOM.com.au Sun Jun 19 20:54 PDT 1994 From: "Smith, Brian" Cc: Church Subject: RE: churhc rage special! > From: matthew green > To: seance > Subject: churhc rage special! > Date: Sunday, 19 June 1994 1:26AM > > > > for the australia geeks who are on RIGHT NOW, > the is a church special on rage. it's 1:24am > now, sunday, and it's upto it's no reason. > > YAY!!!!!!!1 > > .mrg. Actually, I knew this was coming because on Friday Night / Saturday morning, Rage advertised that Saturday night would be "Church Night". So I had the video recording all the way through ! They played Unguarded Moment, Bel-Air,Too Fast For You, Tear It All Away,It's No Reason, Different Man, Electric Lash, Constant In Opal,Tantalized,Columbus,Milky Way,Reptile,Metropolis, You're Still Beatiful, Ripple, Two Places At Once. Then they moved on to Church - related material: Benefit of the Doubt (Crystal Set: fronted by Steve's brother Russell.), one from the Bhagavad Guitars (Steve's other brother ? John ?), Thought That I Was Over You (Jack Frost), Taken By Surprise (Curious Yellow: Karin Jansson (Steve's wife)) Some comments: I was VERY suprised they didn't do Almost With You. They also missed You Took and Fly. Last time Rage did this they found 3 Marty Willson-Piper videos: She's King, Night Is Over and Questions Without Answers, of which I have a rather crackly copy. I was hoping they'd play them too, so I could have perfect copies of them too ! No such luck.... Does anyone know if Steve or (*snigger*) PETER have made any videos ? Also, does anyone know what that building / shed that they shot the first four videos in is ? A garage maybe ? Brian "Definitive Church Tape Mark Four" Smith From BSmith@VCOMTELC.TELECOM.com.au Mon Jun 20 01:56 PDT 1994 From: "Smith, Brian" Subject: Church videos While taping the Rage special here in Oz this weekend, I had a thought. (Thank you, thank you. I'll keep going till I have the set !) Is there a definitive list of videos that the Church have made ? Obviously, the band themselves are well documented, but I mean videos made as solo performers. Also, videos they may have participated in, or their spouses etc... For example, I have a couple of Damien Lovelock clips that Steve & Peter played in. "Chilly Winds ? Harpars Bazaar ?" Anyone ? Brian "Polly Want a Vid" Smith From matthew.blair@afrc.ac.uk Mon Jun 20 04:02 PDT 1994 Content-Identifier: 1186A2DF0200 From: BLAIRM Subject: Rage Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Hi, everyone, have a good weekend ? I beleive RAGE in Australia featured the church ? Did anyone 'down under' manage to tape it all ? If so, would anyone like to send me a copy ? I'm in Scotland, so we use the PAL system which is the same as Australia, I think. If anyone would like to send me a copy, please e-mail me and we can work out the details. Is anyone interested in an interview with MWP from GUITAR magazine, from about the time of 'Spirit Level' being released ? If enough people are interested, I will type it in and send it. It may take me some time to do this, as I'm not a fast typist, but I _may_ be able to scan the text into ASCII format, thus saving my poor fingers. If not...RSI (repetitive strain injury) here I come ! On another note, my band are playing this weekend, for the 1st time in ages so wish me luck, I'll need it. Cheers, Matt. Matthew.Blair@afrc.ac.uk From matthew.blair@afrc.ac.uk Mon Jun 20 09:17 PDT 1994 Content-Identifier: 1186A4502E00 From: BLAIRM Subject: Goldfish, jokes.... Sensitivity: Company-Confidential John writes >I'd like to get a copy of the Goldfish, Jokes, Souvenirs video somehow. >Problem is, it sure ain't for sale in New Zealand. Can anyone:... >2. suggest how i can get it (i'd like a new copy, and not too expensive) >3. suggest the best way of getting it from USA or Oz to NZ? If it's PAL you use in NZ, then you can get it from the UK quite easily. It costs between #10 and #12, but as someone else pointed out the sound is _not_ digitally remastered. John, if you're interested in getting a UK copy e-mail me, and I'll see what I can do about getting you a copy. Matt 20/06/94 time to go home Matthew.Blair@afrc.ac.uk "the truth is out there" From balst9+@pitt.edu Mon Jun 20 14:59 PDT 1994 From: Bradley A Lewis Subject: Re: Church on Vinyl Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM On Sun, 19 Jun 1994 KDSCHMITT@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu wrote: > I saw a two record set of the Church's new one on vinyl. > It folded out and there was stuff on the inside, but I didn't see it > cause it wasn't open. > > Anyone see this? > ---der schmitt Yeah I happen to have it. When I picked up my copy of the CD last month, the owner of the CD store was looking at his vinyl copy, He ordered it for me for only eleven dollars:-) Teh stuff inside is just the photos that are on the inside of the CD liner notes. The LP version does not include the bonus disc and since it only has the _standard_ songs on it, it gets a little bit like a double EP version instead of a long player. Oh yeah, I think the vinyl is a limited edition so you might want to scarf it up before too long! __BRAD___ From mrg@mame.mu.OZ.AU Mon Jun 20 20:48 PDT 1994 Subject: two places at once single.. From: matthew green i found a copy at 'missing link' in melbourne.. it only has 3 versions of two places at once on it.. video edit (4:49), album version (7:53), and radio edit (4:24) .. haven't listened to it yet, though.. anyone else seen it ? there was more at missing link if anyone in melbourne wants to go pick one up.. .mrg. From TAOBERLY@delphi.com Tue Jun 21 01:00 PDT 1994 From: Todd Oberly Subject: Marty Willson-Piper article X-Vms-To: IN%"seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Last time Matt wrote: > Is anyone interested in an interview with MWP from GUITAR magazine, from > about the time of 'Spirit Level' being released ? If enough people are > interested, I will type it in and send it. It may take me some time to Go for it! I've really enjoyed all the interviews and articles and short stories I've seen on the list so far! Todd From TAOBERLY@delphi.com Tue Jun 21 01:36 PDT 1994 From: Todd Oberly Subject: discography X-Vms-To: IN%"seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Last time Anthony wrote... >> Alright then, for you lazy ones out there... :-) >> I agree the discog is a tad long, maybe I should >> break it into 3 sections, Church / solo / tapes? >> What do you kids think??? > > Maybe convert it to texinfo format so that those with access to the > appropriate software can browse it more easily; I can convert texinfo > files to AmigaGuide hypertext for Amiga users, by the way, and I can > put you onto someone who can produce a MS Windows version... Ooh, AMIGAGUIDE!!! Yes, a hypertext version would be really cool! Has it been done anywhere before? The short discography and all the solo projects could be put in separate sections...but how would you split-up the Church section? By album? Or not at all? And you could even add an 'About The Author' section with a picture of Morten! ;) Todd From BSmith@VCOMTELC.TELECOM.com.au Tue Jun 21 03:17 PDT 1994 From: "Smith, Brian" Subject: Church parodies ? Another little thought I had.... When Metropolis was released, myself and a friend of mine wrote a parody of Metropolis ('Back in a monotone / We were all completely stoned' etc...). I'll try and get the full lyrics, which are currently in my parents' house somewhere. My question is, has anyone else done anything similar ? It could be a bit of fun.... :) Brian Smith BTW, Steve's phone bill for the three months up to 23rd February was 721 dollars ! Of this, 480 was spend on international calls. A talkative lad.....I guess you'd be talkative too, if the other band member lived in Sweden and you were about to tour the US. To paraphrase Mel Brooks; "S'good to work for Telecom !" I asked the CD Retrieval Drone at Brash's if the church single was out yet and he said it was released this week and would be in store by the end of the week. Does it really take a week to get CDs on the shelf ? Hmmm...... From ctn2d@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu Tue Jun 21 05:01 PDT 1994 21 Jun 94 8:01 EDT From: ctn2d@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu Church Subject: Re: Church parodies ? well, me and a friend started singing one that went like, back in UVa opolis sororities are ridiculous and their shoe-boots are too but that was the majority of it. not a serious attempt, but funny because this was all being played by us on guitar, which is shit, and sung by us over the radio station. chris Sadly, many children are not even born into families today, but are orphaned even before their birth by the choice of their parents who do not want them. This grieves my heart so. Cherish your children and give them the stable environment they deserve. -The Blessed Virgin Mary, March 7, 1987 From pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Tue Jun 21 12:22 PDT 1994 From: pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Subject: MWP singles I have 2 extra copies of the MWP CD3 "She's King", "Listen/Space", and "Frightened Just Because Of You (Alternate version)". the alternate version is much more uptempo, and IMO, much better than the album version. Let me know if anyone is interested in a copy. -paul From 213170596@UCIS.VILL.EDU Tue Jun 21 13:08 PDT 1994 From: 213170596@UCIS.VILL.EDU (timB) Subject: goo Hmmmm, chalk up another guitar player. More importantly, ya' know what keeps the Ungaurded Moment from being a classic song in my book? Its a gret tune, until the end where Peter hits a pretty good solo until the chords turn and he throws in that nasty sounding blues riff before the intro-outro. Yuck! that just sounds SOOOO bad. I'll credit Peter for coming up with some of the coolest parts ever, but this one sucks..... .....almost as much as "What the fuckin' heck,.....Yeah!" {{{{{{{{{{{{{{timB}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} (bored again,....or can't you tell?) p.s. I really like the verse part to Business Woman, one of the best things about the album, but that cheesy ass chorus just ruins it. From pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Tue Jun 21 13:55 PDT 1994 From: pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Subject: SA review The following is a review of SA from the July 1994 issue of Alternative Press. There is also an article about the Church in the same issue, which i will transcribe and post in a later message. -paul ------------------------------------------------------------------ The Church Sometime Anywhere G.W. Erwin The Church has been pared down to only Steve Kilbey and Marty Willson- Piper, but the staff reductions have had little effect on the band's music. The Church's most notable traits have always been Kilbey's vocals and Willson-Piper's guitar, and the reduction in personnel seems to have brought on a broadening of their musical scope, stylistically and literally (most of the songs are well over six minutes). Kilbey's sensibilities flirt with the quasivisionary, and while his vaguely mystical poetics usually amount to a bunch of nonsense, they can at least be somewhat evocative. And regardless of how self-indulgent things get, the mystical twists are usually redeemed by steady musicianship and fluid guitar. "The Maven" is typical: it's too long, it's touched with Kilbey's vague mysticism, and emphasizing lines with a breathy "Yeah" is a little lame, but it can also be catchy. The music unfolds comfortably in such spacious surroundings, and Kilbey's vocals are rarely anything lass than pleasant. There are a couple of typical old-style Church songs, like "Authority" and "business Woman", which is catchy, dreamy, and radio friendly. Their forays into heretofore uncharted musical waters generally fail: "Lost My Touch", a rappish spin on U2's "Bullet The Blue Sky", is bad and features some pretty awful rhyming. "Eastern" is an instrumental marked by stereotypically eastern-sounding guitars that's not terrible, but, you know, and "Angelica" proves (in case anyone was wondering) that the Church and techno dancebeats don't mix. "My Little Problem" is a pleasant and dreamy sprawl (over seven minutes) and "Two Places at Once" welds waht are ostensibly two different songs. After writing the music, Kilbey and Willson-Piper went off separately and wrote lyrics; they alternate while using the same music: Kilbey sings his verses and chorus of "I've been waiting/seems like eternity/ I've been waiting/waiting for you", then Willson-Piper does his part, singing his verse and chorus ("They were so blind"). They do this for a while (the song is almost eight minutes long) until the end, where the two parts blend seamlessly. It's songs like "Two Places At Once" that fans will most appreciate - it borders on the overwrought, but when they get it just so, it can be almost sublime. ------------------------------------------------------------------- That's it. Not terribly positive, and I don't agree with a lot of what was said, but what can you do. -paul From balst9+@pitt.edu Tue Jun 21 15:14 PDT 1994 From: Bradley A Lewis Subject: Re: Rage Cc: Receipt Notification Requested On Mon, 20 Jun 1994, BLAIRM wrote: > > Is anyone interested in an interview with MWP from GUITAR magazine, from about > the time of 'Spirit Level' being released ? If enough people are interested, I > will type it in and send it. It may take me some time to do this, as I'm not a > fast typist, but I _may_ be able to scan the text into ASCII format, thus > saving my poor fingers. If not...RSI (repetitive strain injury) here I come ! That would be great!! I don't think I've seen more than five interviews of any of the boys in the six years since I've been _enlightened_. And that includes two interviews form back issues I had to order. > > On another note, my band are playing this weekend, for the 1st time in ages > so wish me luck, I'll need it. > Kill'em! -Brad From pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Tue Jun 21 17:05 PDT 1994 From: pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Subject: AP article Cc: pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Here's the article from July 1994 Alternative Press. It contains some pretty good news i think :-) -paul --------------------------------------------------------------------- ANOTHER UNCOMMON DENOMINATION After two years, the Church are holding service again. Their new album "Sometime Anywhere" finds a few less in the congregation. By Adrian Healey Alternative Press July 1994 After a two year siesta in the wilderness, and the shock departure of founding guitarist Peter Koppes, the Church have re-grouped and returned with a new studio album, "Sometime Anywhere" (on Arista), which was written, recorded and mixed in just two months last summer. Now down to a duo of Marty Willson-Piper on guitars and Steve Kilbey on bass and vocals, the Church operate transglobally with Willson-Piper residing in Stockholm and Kilbey in Sydney. "I think Peter had been unhappy for quite some time and was philosophically at odds with the whole project," reckons Marty. "I think he felt that Steve and I were either getting too much attention, or not paying enough attention to the band. Steve and I do tend to go off and do lots of other things as well..." Literally hours before the Church's last tour in Australia in 1992, Koppes announced his intentions, and despite staying on for the tour's duration, quit immediately afterwards. So was there any possibility that this might signal the end of the Church? "Absolutely not," retorts Steve. "We still had the enthusiasm and the identity, and Peter certainly wasn't totally necessary to the thing being called the Church." "To be honest," adds Marty, "it never worried me at all. Steve and I can always sit down and write a great song together." Which is precisely what they did a year later when Marty joined Steve in his Sydney studio along with producer Dare Mason to work on "Sometime Anywhere". However, this album was done very differently than previous Church releases. "There was no three months in rehersal hacking the songs into shape," explains Steve. "We went into the studio and wrote straight onto the tape recorder. A lot of the stuff you can hear on the album now was literally being played for the first time. It's a very experimental album." It was an experience Marty thoroughly enjoyed. "The recording was actually easier because there were less people to have a problem with something and less people to find a part for themselves." As a result, the album finds the Church sounding fresh and invigorated, as well as more immediate than ever before. From the radio-friendly "Loveblind", the dreamscape of "Fly Home", the quasi-psychedelic "Business Woman", and the heavily dance-oriented "Angelica", the scope of the album is immense. Full of great melodies and buckets of melancholy, "Sometime Anywhere" also retains that age-old Church characteristic of being decidedly awkward to categorize. All the same, albums that encompass so many different musical styles are usually a bit thin on the ground. "I don't know about records these days that are all one thing," counters Marty. "I don't see why Lush have to sound the same in every song, and I don't see why Soundgarden have to have that guy screaming his guts out all the time. Actually, I really don't care and I would still go out and probably buy those records. The thing about the Beatles was that they could put "Helter Skelter" and "Martha My Dear" on the same album. To me, that is perfect creative and artistic success. I mean, nobody ever said 'Well, i like this Picasso guy, but he really should leave this new-fangled cubism alone,' did they?" But isn't it really difficult to marry creative freedom with the immense pressure to obtain commercial success and have hit singles? "Steve's got a studio, I've got a studio, and we've got a hardcore following all over the world," points out Marty. "It really doesn't matter to us whether we have a hit or not. It matters to the record company, and the people we owe money, and that's fair enough. But for us, it's not winning the race, but being in the race which is important. We are extremely fortunate because there are not that many bands in the world in our position." And to what do they attribute their longevity? Remember these guys have now been going for fourteen years - "Sometime Anywhere" is their ninth studio album, and the duo are so prolific that Arista is making a bonus disc of songs available only in the first pressing of the album. "There was never any reason to break up," confirms Steve. "It always feels like we've still got one more really good album left in us, and I still have that feeling today. I think that we are actually getting better with age, and we'll keep it together until we make a record that we both consider to be really disgusting." On the evidence provided with "Sometime Anywhere", this seems highly unlikely to happen in the 20th century. Expect a tour with a six-or seven-piece "band" featuring a violinist and a trumpet player, that will play some intimate and exotic settings. From mspizuco@sas.upenn.edu Tue Jun 21 17:31 PDT 1994 From: mspizuco@sas.upenn.edu (Matthew Paul Spizuco) Posted-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 1994 20:27:05 -0400 Subject: In Reflection I found Marty's first album "In Reflection" in a Long Island record store, shorty after its release. The solo project was not only a great preview of Marty's abilities, but included a small booklet, written by Marty. This book explained all the trouble he had to go through to produce each song. Although I have no desire to part with this album, I am curious of its potential value. It wasn't around long, and it wasn't released on cd, although several songs were carried over to "Art Attack". Just to add on, I would also like information on Steve's Asphalt Eden and Fireman singles. -- Matthew and Melanie "If it's not Scottish, MSPIZUCO@SAS.UPENN.EDU it's CRAP!" * * * From PSLAKE@SUVM.SYR.EDU Tue Jun 21 18:05 PDT 1994 Tue, 21 Jun 94 21:06:07 LCL From: PSLAKE@SUVM.SYR.EDU Regarding that MWP article; sure, go ahead and post it! I'm sure the list will enjoy reading it (well, I will, at least). -Dave From mosk Tue Jun 21 18:14 PDT 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: two places at once single.. > From mrg@mame.mu.OZ.AU Mon Jun 20 20:48:44 1994 > > i found a copy at 'missing link' in melbourne.. > > it only has 3 versions of two places at once on it.. > > video edit (4:49), album version (7:53), and radio edit > (4:24) .. > > haven't listened to it yet, though.. > > anyone else seen it ? there was more at missing link if > anyone in melbourne wants to go pick one up.. > > .mrg. > This is just a promo issue though, correct??? I found a similar item a couple of weeks ago, and it had promo printed on it... Does anyone know what the tracks will be on the "real" item? Bill? Anthony?? -m From mori0019@gold.tc.umn.edu Tue Jun 21 20:16 PDT 1994 From: Keith K Morioka Subject: Re: In Reflection Cc: posting message in the church fan club I'm not sure how much value it is compared to others not into the Church, but it is quite collectable. It is very rare because it was pulled after the pressing. My friend had talked to Marty after he played a show here in Minneapolis at the 7th St. Entry, and he said the record company said they wouldn't press anymore unless the booklet was pulled from the album, because the booklet was so costly to produce. He said that he wouldn't let the album be released without the booklet, so the album was never pressed after that.... Later, Keith mori0019@gold.tc.umn.edu On Tue, 21 Jun 1994, Matthew Paul Spizuco wrote: > I found Marty's first album "In Reflection" in a Long Island > record store, shorty after its release. The solo project was not only a > great preview of Marty's abilities, but included a small booklet, written > by Marty. This book explained all the trouble he had to go through to > produce each song. Although I have no desire to part with this album, I > am curious of its potential value. It wasn't around long, and it wasn't > released on cd, although several songs were carried over to "Art Attack". > Just to add on, I would also like information on Steve's Asphalt > Eden and Fireman singles. > > -- > Matthew and Melanie "If it's not Scottish, > MSPIZUCO@SAS.UPENN.EDU it's CRAP!" > * * * From BSmith@VCOMTELC.TELECOM.com.au Tue Jun 21 22:50 PDT 1994 From: "Smith, Brian" Subject: SA chart position ? Not that it matters, because it's "all rigged and controlled by the Evil MultiNational Record Industry (tm)" but SA has debuted at Number 17 in the Victoria / Tasmania charts and Number 27 nationally. It's been marked as a "bullet performer" in Vic/Tas. Bill, how's the album doing in the US ? Brian From BSmith@VCOMTELC.TELECOM.com.au Wed Jun 22 00:14 PDT 1994 From: "Smith, Brian" Cc: Church Subject: Re: In Reflection > I'm not sure how much value it is compared to others not into the Church, > but it is quite collectable. It is very rare because it was pulled after > the pressing. My friend had talked to Marty after he played a show here in > Minneapolis at the 7th St. Entry, and he said the record company said they > wouldn't press anymore unless the booklet was pulled from the album, > because the booklet was so costly to produce. He said that he wouldn't let > the album be released without the booklet, so the album was never pressed > after that.... > This raises an interesting question. In the booklet he says "I love records with lots to read." And he follows with a really interesting booklet: song descriptions, how he recorded each one etc....I remember two of the stories especially. The first concerns the recording of "How Come They Don't Touch The Ground." He was recording on his own, and had no-one to help operate the four track recorder. So he had to use his toes, balanced precariously on his stool, to prod the record button. I wish I'd been walking past his house ! "Hey mate, come and push this button when I say !" The other story was while recording Velvet Fuselsage ( I think.) His shonky drum machine didn't have the rhythm he wanted and couldn't be programmed. So he and Andy "Dare" Mason (same guy as on all his other albums) searched the house for something they could hit that would sound drum-like. Eventually they settled on a copy of the Sydney Morning Herald. But they had to keep finding other copies because the paper would fall to shreds under their sustained thumping ! I find it great to imagine Marty, who now has plenty of money (I hope !) and can afford all the hi-tech gizmos and wizardry he wants, fumbling around his home studio, using a four track and being forced to adapt to the problems that mere mortal musicians such as myself face when recording. Still, what he produced was marvellous. Don't forget that all of In Reflection, including those tracks that got shifted to Art Attack (last five tracks) were all done on four track recorders. Having a four track I know what skill and musical talent it takes to keep a recording from getting cluttered and chaotic after the third or fourth track has been added. To get eight tracks all interlocking is quite an achievement. Anyway, enough from me. Back to Dead Man's Dream.... From nowayout@netcom.com Wed Jun 22 00:15 PDT 1994 From: "T.A. Davenport" Subject: Hi! New member here Greetings Church fans -- my name's Tracey and, as the header says, I'm new to the list. It was suggested that I briefly introduce myself, so here goes: I first became interested in the Church in 1984, mainly because (I'm embarrassed to admit it) they were the favorite band of a guy I was VERY interested in at the time. *Major* obsession, however, took until '86 to really sink in. Fave album: A tough one, but ultimately it would have to be a tie between Heyday and Starfish. Fave tracks: Tantalized, Myrrh, Tristesse, Constant in Opal, Fly, Spark, too many others to mention... Fave paisley shirt: Steve's (though I must say Peter's most resembles my dining room rug ) Other miscellany about me: Steve is WAY cool though I tend to worship at the altar of Mr. Willson-Piper myself ;) I miss Peter & Richard terribly, though I'm ever so glad Steve & Marty are continuing to work together. :) Anyway, that's me! Glad to meet you all, and many thanks to Rhonda and Morten for helping me find the way here :) td From matthew.blair@afrc.ac.uk Wed Jun 22 04:01 PDT 1994 Content-Identifier: 1186B2F23A00 From: BLAIRM Subject: bored !! Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Hi, I don't have a lot to say at the moment, just a couple of bits : 1. Brian Smith posted about Steve's phone bill. Brian _how_ did you manage to find something like that out ? I'm really curious. 2. Matthew Spizuco wrote 'If it's not Scottish, its CRAP'. Are you Scottish Matthew, and if so where are you/were you born etc. I'm stuck just outside Edinburgh, and I've never met any other church fans. There must be some (or one) as every so often I find a kilbey solo CD turning up in reptile records so someone must have been a church/kilbey fan at one point. 3. Tracey Davenport, welcome to the list, but I'm sure I saw your name on here before. Or maybe I'm just hallucinating again, as I stare at the rain. Well that's me. At least if you've read this, you'll be as bored as I am. I've just ordered SA on vinyl, and I'm keeping my fingers crossed it will arrive soon. I've got it on CD with SE, but it's not the same as owning it on vinyl. Matt. 'another grotty day in my fairisle tanktop' From powell@Kodak.COM Wed Jun 22 06:56 PDT 1994 Reply-To: powell@Kodak.COM From: Richard Powell Subject: Asphalt & Fireman singles Matthew and Melanie asked: > Just to add on, I would also like information on Steve's > Asphalt Eden and Fireman singles. Both 7" singles were recorded at Kilbey's home & feature very cool psychedelic covers. I like the `Fireman` one the best. The `This Asphalt Eden / Never Come Back / Shell` single was recorded during a lull in Church activities between `Persia` & `Heyday` and released in Jun/85. The `Fireman / Forgetfulness / Nonapology` single was recorded just before the Church started `Starfish` and was released around Dec/87. Of these songs, only `Fireman` appeared on the 8-song `The Slow Crack` 12" EP released in Feb/88. I don't have them with me, but I was just looking at them the other day. For the first time, I noticed that "MUBBY'S CHOICE" is etched into the record, next to the label, on the `fireman` single's a-side (who is MUBBY?). Similarly, `This Asphalt Eden` has "A KILLABEE PRODUCTION" scratched on it. (I've started copying down some more messages I've noticed on other records, and when I find it, I'll send those out also.) Is this the sort of info you wanted? Kilbey talked about these singles in the Church interviews published in `Bucketfull of Brains` magazine in Feb/86 & May/88. I've been thinking about putting them out to this distribution list. Is there interest out there? - Dick From vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu Wed Jun 22 07:51 PDT 1994 via MS.5.6.pcs7.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax_ul4; From: Vernon H Harmon Receipt Notification Requested) (IPM Return Requested) Subject: Re: bored !! > 1. Brian Smith posted about Steve's phone bill. Brian _how_ did you >manage to find something like that out ? I'm really curious. Suffice it to say "he knows" :) Actually, I'm rather surprised Brian is telling people openly about such knowledge. Can't you get in trouble for that, Brian? Or are invasion of privacy laws different down under? :) > 2. Matthew Spizuco wrote 'If it's not Scottish, its CRAP'. Are you >Scottish Matthew, and if so where are you/were you born etc. I'm stuck >just outside Edinburgh, and I've never met any other church fans. There >must be some (or one) as every so often I find a kilbey solo CD turning up >in reptile records so someone must have been a church/kilbey fan at one >point. It's a line from a Saturday Night Live skit with Mike Myers (Wayne from Wayne's World). I always type it as "If i' ain' Sco'ish i's CRAP!!!" personally. :) This same character (or one very similar) was played by Myers in his film "So I Married An Axe Murderer" which has some of the best poetry-performances I've ever seen. They were hilarious! The film was pretty good, but it might not be your cup o' tea. The Scottish guy is Mike's dad in the film. The funniest part is that Mike's little brother has one of those big curly-hair heads (I like to call 'em "white afros") and his dad keeps calling him "head" instead of by his real name. Of course, with the accent it sounds like "HEED!" "HEED! Get outta th' way! I cain't see the game!" :D > 3. Tracey Davenport, welcome to the list, but I'm sure I saw your name on >here before. Or maybe I'm just hallucinating again, as I stare at the >rain. Yeah, the name looks familiar to me also. Maybe I've seen Tracy on other mailing lists or something.... --Vernon. From rcr@u.washington.edu Wed Jun 22 08:27 PDT 1994 Wed, 22 Jun 94 08:27:13 -0700 From: Rhonda Corcoran Subject: Re: bored !! Welcome aboard Tracey! Glad you finally made it. > > 3. Tracey Davenport, welcome to the list, but I'm sure I saw your name on > >here before. Or maybe I'm just hallucinating again, as I stare at the > >rain. You may have seen her name on a post I forwarded to the list a while back. Hmmm....Tracey, you haven't been moonlighting on any other popular music lists have you? :) BTW, think you could forward your comments about the Church show you went to, to the list? It got a few chuckles out of me. :) Rhonda From rfd@buclaa.bu.edu Wed Jun 22 12:49 PDT 1994 From: rfd@buclaa.bu.edu (Richard F. Delano) Subject: Two Places single According to CD Europe on the Internet, there is a CD single available for "Two Places at Once" distributed by Festival. Unfortunately, there is no mention of what tracks are on it and ordering from them would take 6-8 weeks, so again the question is asked...what's the deal with the single?!? Is Bill even with us anymore? Rich Boston Univ. From rfd@buclaa.bu.edu Wed Jun 22 13:09 PDT 1994 From: rfd@buclaa.bu.edu (Richard F. Delano) Subject: How long is it? No, this message has nothing to do with Steve or Marty's length. Oh nevermind. I plan on retaping my Church stuff so that everything is where it belongs in chronological order. So, my question is for my fellow perfectionist taping list members. Can anyone supply me with the time for any of the following songs (some of which I own, others I don't yet I'll save room for them on a tape :) ) She Never Said (original version) Busdriver Ancient History In This Room I Am A Rock Metropolis (Acoustic Version) Kilbey stuff: Spirit of Christmas Yet To Come As You Like It MWP stuff: Art On The Run Sleepy Metal Box Hamburg Volumes Soft Murder Travelling Through The Sea Of Sun Machines The Width And The Height On The Tip Of My Tongue (Live) Evil Queen Of England (Live) oh yeah, one more Church song: Room Full of Diamonds (was that the title?) And lastly, this is for you Morten (if you've read this far), who did the original version of "Ritz" and where might I find it? Thanks Rich Boston Univ. From mosk Wed Jun 22 13:43 PDT 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Ritz (Was: Re: How long is it?) > From rfd@buclaa.bu.edu Wed Jun 22 13:09:20 1994 > And lastly, this is for you Morten (if you've read this far), who did the > original version of "Ritz" and where might I find it? > > Thanks > > Rich > Boston Univ. > Of course I read this far.... I live for this, remember? :-) "Ritz" can be found on an album called "The Psychomodo" by Cockney Rebel. They're usually filed under "Steve Harley And C.R." here in the States... I believe the song also was included on their "Best of" cd (and on the somewhat similar vinyl version called "A Closer Look At..."). I have only seen these as import cds here, I picked up mine in Norway during X-mas... If I had seen this message about 30 mins ago, I would have offered you my vinyl version, but as it is, that one is now on its way to my brother in Norway.... I didn't even think about offering it to anyone on the list.... Oh well, stupidity and old age must be setting in.... I haven't looked for it lately, but I assume the vinyl version should be fairly easy to find around here, but the cd version may have to be special ordered... Let me know if you (or anyone else) need my help to locate it.... As for "the Psychomodo" itself..It's a damn good album IMHO. It's glam-rock with a twist, that is, there are very few electric guitars, the main instruments are a honky-tonk piano, a violin and strings. Steve Harley's voice is not unlike our Steve's.... And Steve and Marty's version of the song is very close to the original, except the original had strings added to it... And , again IMHO, Ritz is not the best song on it... The album is highly recommended.... -morten From FURSTD@BoysTown.ORG Wed Jun 22 16:04 PDT 1994 From: FURSTD@BoysTown.ORG (DAVID FURST) Subject: Yet another bored soul It's a gray rainy day and Dave : a) Is Bored b) Wants to read interesting e-mail c) Doesn't feel like working d) Wishes he were playing his guitar e) All of the above f) Some of the above Hi Tracy. Welcome. Ok, what's on my mind today? Does anyone know if mtv has been running any vids from the SA-SE? Just wondering. Thanks again to Rhonda for sending the old interviews and such. The best thing was in one of them steve talked about how it was ok to write and record sad, wistful songs. It was kida freeing to hear that. Also, from the recent posting about MWP using a 4-track on his first solo venture. It is also encouraging to hear the great ones started that way. BTW, I recently got a Yamaha MT120 4track and the results are excellent!!! Oh, the other reason I am posting is to see if I get one of those nasty failed mail returns since morton was talking about those the other day. From gsa@panix.com Wed Jun 22 16:37 PDT 1994 From: Gary Assa Subject: Re: bored !! Cc: Receipt Notification Requested > 2. Matthew Spizuco wrote 'If it's not Scottish, its CRAP'. Are you Scottish > Matthew, and if so where are you/were you born etc. I'm stuck just outside > Edinburgh, and I've never met any other church fans. There must be some (or > one) as every so often I find a kilbey solo CD turning up in reptile records > so someone must have been a church/kilbey fan at one point. I think this is a reference to the Saturday Night Live episode where Patrick Stewart (Jena Luc Picard) appeared in a Scottish skit. It was bad. From gsa@panix.com Wed Jun 22 16:40 PDT 1994 From: Gary Assa Subject: Re: Asphalt & Fireman singles Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM > Is this the sort of info you wanted? Kilbey talked about > these singles in the Church interviews published in > `Bucketfull of Brains` magazine in Feb/86 & May/88. I've > been thinking about putting them out to this distribution > list. Is there interest out there? > > - Dick > That's a silly question. I have a BOB magazine (Actually the BOB, and not Bucketful of Brains) where it came with a floppy of something from Earthed. From mosk Wed Jun 22 17:03 PDT 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: BOB articles.... (WAS Re: Asphalt & Fireman singles) > From gsa@panix.com Wed Jun 22 16:40:51 1994 > > > Is this the sort of info you wanted? Kilbey talked about > > these singles in the Church interviews published in > > `Bucketfull of Brains` magazine in Feb/86 & May/88. I've > > been thinking about putting them out to this distribution > > list. Is there interest out there? > > > > - Dick > > > That's a silly question. I have a BOB magazine (Actually the BOB, and not > Bucketful of Brains) where it came with a floppy of something from Earthed. Hmmm... I thought Bucketfull of Brains and BOB _was_ the same magazine... I do have the first 2 issues mentioned, but not the one Gary mentions. I suggest you guys type in all three interviews, they are very good and would definetely be of interest to those of us who haven't seen them.... -morten From powell@Kodak.COM Thu Jun 23 05:57 PDT 1994 Reply-To: powell@Kodak.COM From: Richard Powell Subject: etched album messages The following messages are found scratched, by hand, into the 'dead' area of some church related records. By 'dead', I mean the part between the end of the song and the start of the label (does this area have a name?). The messages are shown in CAPS. ...Kilbey's `the slow crack` EP (12"): KARIN IS A WOMAN WITH REASON S.K. : REPTILE, AMPHIBIAN OR STARFISH? Karin Jansson I presume? Were these potential names for what ended up "starfish"? ...Kilbey's `transaction` 12" EP: 12 INCHES OF KILBY DO NOT READ THIS MESSAGE Yes, it is spelled w/o the `e`. I seem to recall messages written on the `Starfish` LP. Since most of my LPs have been exchanged for CDs, I wonder if some of you album owners could take a peek at your records for similar oddities? - Dick From mori0019@gold.tc.umn.edu Thu Jun 23 06:11 PDT 1994 From: Keith K Morioka Subject: Re: etched album messages Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM > ...Kilbey's `transaction` 12" EP: > > 12 INCHES OF KILBY > DO NOT READ THIS MESSAGE > > Yes, it is spelled w/o the `e`. > That's really kind of funny, because I recently got a video of a bunch of church stuff taped off of Australian TV, and in one of the early interviews, around Blurred Crusade I think, They flashed his name on the screen and they spelled it Steve Kilby w/o the e, I wonder if he was trying to rip on people who still don't know how to spell his name after all these years? Any other thoughts on why he spelled it w/o the e? Later, Keith From U23500@UICVM.UIC.EDU Thu Jun 23 06:14 PDT 1994 From: Mephisto in Onyx Subject: Ripple I just picked up the Aussie Ripple single the other day, and the two other tracks , NIGHTMARE and FOG do NOT lound like they were recorded around the time of P=A...were they? They sound ... diffferent...they're cool, but P=A material they aint...p'haps that's why they didn't make the album... raj | When inward life dtries up, when feeling decreases and apath increases, | | when one cannot affect or even genuinely touch another person, violence | | flares up as a daimonic necessity for contact, a mad drive forcing contact | | in the most direct way possible. -Rollo May, LOVE AND WILL | | High in the bloody sky, the Deathbird circled. -Harlan Ellison, DEATHBIRD | From rfd@buclaa.bu.edu Thu Jun 23 07:47 PDT 1994 From: rfd@buclaa.bu.edu (Richard F. Delano) Subject: Jack Frost CD While browsing through a local record store yesterday, I came across a copy of the Jack Frost CD for $2.99. I was wondering if there's anyone out there who might want a copy of it? I'd be more than happy to pick it up and mail it out. It's a great disc and for $2.99, it's a steal! Hell, I paid $18 for the Australian version when it came out! How was I supposed to know that a US record company would actually have taste enough to release it? Let me know! Rich Boston Univ. From Vernon_Harmon@PROBACTO.SOAR.CS.CMU.EDU Thu Jun 23 09:17 PDT 1994 23 Jun 94 12:17:09 EDT From: Vernon_Harmon@PROBACTO.SOAR.CS.CMU.EDU steelers-list@ANDREW.CMU.EDU Subject: gone for a bit Hey there folks! I am leaving tomorrow (Friday) for a nice long vacation -- some friends and I are driving cross-country. I will not be returning until the weekend of July 9-10, so if you have any reason to contact me between now and then, you'll be outta luck. :) For those interested, here's our path: Pittsburgh to South Bend, miss Chicago (hopefully!) to Wisconsin thru southern Minnesota and South Dakota to Mount Rushmore (Rapid City/ Keystone, SD) to Yellowstone to Salt Lake City to Sacramento to San Francisco, down the coastal hiway to LA, east to Vegas and the Grand Canyon to Albequerque to Boulder and Denver to KC and St. Louis and back to Pittsburgh. We've got a lot of plans but if you'd like to try to hook up with us somewhere along our route, you can try to get in touch with me today (either email or call (412) 268-6739 (my work number)). I should be in my office until about 4:30 or 5pm EST today. If necessary, I can give you my home number and we can discuss it tonight. We leave at 6:30 am (EST) tomorrow. Hope everybody has as much fun as I will while I'm gone! :D hehe --Vernon. (YAYAYA! GO TEAM USA!! Beat Romania!) From rcr@u.washington.edu Thu Jun 23 10:15 PDT 1994 Thu, 23 Jun 94 10:15:30 -0700 From: Rhonda Corcoran Sender: Rhonda Corcoran Reply-To: Rhonda Corcoran Subject: Re: some SA+SE lyrics (first pass) Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM > > comments/alternative guesses welcome. > > --Vernon. ___________________________________________________________ Listening to Authority this a.m. and noticed a couple things on the lyrics for Authority: > AUTHORITY 5:08 > > she's got enough stuff to get real tough > well, she's the girl who plays well, she's not gonna play > Larry's our attorney, the others are stunned Larry's our attorney, the others are spurned > life is a tangle, the one that you angle > is the tangle of life lips life is a tangle, a one night triangle's in the tangle of life lips __________________________________ I think Steve pronounces "life lips" funny, but this really is what he says here. Rhonda From ruber911@raven.csrv.uidaho.edu Thu Jun 23 17:47 PDT 1994 From: Rubero Jason Subject: intoduction << THE FAUNA OUGHT TO EQUAL THE FLORA . . . >> Greetings! My name is Jason Rubero and I have just joined seance. ABOUT MYSELF AND THE CHURCH: - fave shirt: Peter's - fave discs: Priest=Aura, Starfish, half of S + H - fave songs: Chaos, Tear It All Away, Columbus, BelAire - concert witnessed: May 1987 (between Heyday and Starfish) in Brisbane. The guys were very gracious after I helped their roadies set up. I hung out with Marty and the gang for a few hours and they put me on the guest list which was great. The Trilobytes opened up for the Church. My most vivid memories are of Marty teaching Spark to the guys and getting cross with Ploog for not retarding the tempo correctly at the end of the song. I also recall Steve curled up backstage reading a science fiction novel by Michael Morcock (whoever he is . . .) - rarest church thing: all my autographs from that show, and the delightful In Reflection LP (which Marty told me to buy, as he had just released it that week!) Cheers! Jason. PS - do any other church fans also rave about XTC? From BSmith@VCOMTELC.TELECOM.com.au Thu Jun 23 20:03 PDT 1994 From: "Smith, Brian" Subject: Australian release of 2PAO According to the Retrieval Drone at my local store, it'll be in store on Monday. While asking I looked at the album itself, and it's no longer packaged with "Somewhere Else." Looks like the initial batch ran out, which means pretty good sales ! I hope.... Brian Smith From mrg@mame.mu.OZ.AU Thu Jun 23 20:57 PDT 1994 Cc: Church Subject: Re: Australian release of 2PAO <2E0B6666@msmail.trl.oz.au> From: matthew green > >According to the Retrieval Drone at my local store, it'll be in store on >Monday. While asking I looked at the album itself, and it's no longer >packaged with "Somewhere Else." Looks like the initial batch ran out, which >means pretty good sales ! I hope.... yup, i had a look around yesterday and all the double cd packs i had seen are gone, and there are a few single cd's around now.. .mrg. From powell@Kodak.COM Fri Jun 24 08:22 PDT 1994 Reply-To: powell@Kodak.COM From: Richard Powell Subject: B.O.B. interview #1 I've attached a little reading for the weekend. The following text is copied exactly as it originally appeared except were I've replaced British spellings & typos. Please let me know if you see any mistakes. Personally, I think the interviews done by BOB magazine are great, and this one is no exception. - Dick (powell@kodak.com) WARNING: this is about 9 printed pages long! ................................................. From matthew.blair@afrc.ac.uk Fri Jun 24 08:28 PDT 1994 Content-Identifier: 1186C3BB0D00 From: BLAIRM Subject: MWP 'interview' Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Hi, Here's the interview from Guitar magazine May 1992 I mentioned earlier. It's not so much an interview as a profile, but you may find it interesting anyway. Any spelling mistakes etc were not a result of finger trouble, but more like brain-trouble. We had a barbeque and ceilidh (pronounced kaylee) last night at my work, and I'm afraid the old vino-collapso got the better of me. My head is just a _bit_ fuzzy today ! For those not in the know, a ceilidh is a crap Scottish party where loads of old people (and young people who are just old before their time) dance jigs to the music of a band of even older people playing accordians and the like. Me, I just went for the beer, the food, and the blackmail potential of seeing any of my workmates wearing kilts and doing 'The Gay Gordon' - that's a dance by the way, but don't ask me where it got it's name from. Tommorow my band is playing as part of a 12-hour festival of original music, so then it will be my turn to inflict crap music on the world ! Well, I've rambled enough for the time being, so here's the interview. Enjoy. Matt. cut here -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Church's Marty Willson-Piper -------------------------------- (Creator of metaphysical sounscapes) Marty Willson-Piper creates sonic landscapes as pastoral and atmospheric as the rolling English countryside where he's spending a few weeks writing songs and playing guitar. Two weeks after moving to Australia in 1980, the Liverpool native joined the Church and formed an enduring musical partnership with singer /bassist Steve Kilbey, guitarist Peter Koppes, and drummer Richard Ploog (recently replaced by ex-Patti Smith and Tom Verlaine drummer Jay Dee Daugherty) The Church's first record, Of Skins And Heart, introduced the world to their lush, cerebral mind-pop, a pre-cursor to the neo-psychedelic guitar explosion of the early 90's. However, the Church didn't achieve mainstream success until 1980's Starfish opened the band up to a larger audience with it's ethereal hit "Under The Milky Way". Koppes' and Willson-Piper's 12-string Rickenbacker jangle has brought numerous comparisons to the Byrds, but Marty claims that Roger McGuinn was not a primary inspiration. "I wasn't really into West Coast Rock," he recalls. "I suppose it was Jimmy Page, because he could do riffing and rocking as well as beautiful 12-string stuff. I've got that two-sidedness to my playing, and I like that flexibility. You can jam with a band and still have the knowledge for writing lovely songs." Songs and lyrics are the thematic crux around which Willson-Piper weaves his rining open chords and tremelo shivers. And both Kilbey's metaphysically breathy lyrics and the songs Marty writes for his solo records demand a near-poetic musical sense. "The songs dictate my style more than my style dictates the songs," he offers. "I want to complement what the song is trying to say." Like on previous releases Heyday and The Blurred Crusade, the songs on the Church's new record, Priest=Aura, concoct a dreamy, mid-tempo atmosphere, with Kilbey's lyrics evoking strange emotional twists and philosophical quandries. Willson-Piper pleads ignorance when asked about any specific instrumental approach to the material. Admittedly, a lot of his accompaniment is purely stream-of-consciousness, much like the lyrical bent. "I've always been afraid of sounding like some boring old lick someone probably did 20 years ago better than me," Marty concedes. "In the Church I'm aware of what mood needs to be created for whatthe group is, and I try to dig things up in that area. I just try to do what's appropriate, and I'm not afraid to hit screaming, chaotic stuff or play a Dsus4 on a Rickenbaker." On the Priest=Aura song, "Chaos", a sort of psychedelic Ravel's "Bolero", Marty begins with and eighth-note bended D chord pattern while Koppes creates gentle scratches in the ether. Gradually increasing in intensity and tempo, the guitars flail at shrieking whammy chords until Daugherty's drums dissolve in a rumble of skin and Willson-Piper's guitar trails off like an antique locomotive filled with regretful ghost. "I've just got this spacey style or something," Marty understates. "I'm always hitting open strings, and I'm into getting all these harmonics happening and other notes coming through the sound. Creating a sound- scape - I really like that." Willson-Piper enhances his soundscapes with and old Ibanez UE-405 effects unit with analog delay and stereo chorus. He runs the stereo signal into a pair of vintage Vox AC30s, adding a Roland JC-120 when he performs woth All About Eve, a four-piece Brittish band in which Willson-Piper is the sole guitarist. He uses a custom tremelo-equipped solidbody Rickenbaker and a volume pedal to create his unique swells of reasonant feedback. Other Rickenbakers include a 12-string Roger McGuinn model, a custom-built three-pickup semi-acoustic, and a "load of old Ricks" at home in Stockholm, Sweden, where he writes and records his own material. On the upcoming album Spirit Level, his third solo project on Rykodisc, Marty bounces from Tudoresque acoustic ballads to chunking rockers, interspersing warbly trills with reverberant tremelo swoops and falling-of-a-cliff-scream chordal decays. On "Even Though You Are My Friend" Marty's piercing slide and stately chorus create a richly layered song reminiscent of George Harrison's All Things Must Pass. Like Harrison, Marty doesn't discriminate between a songs musical and lyrical content - he plays to elucidate both. "I don't think great guitarists can justify being great if they sing bad words," he says, "Some people don't care about that, but I do. I suppose it's just your taste. I don't read Harold Robbins novels either." From powell@Kodak.COM Fri Jun 24 08:34 PDT 1994 Reply-To: powell@Kodak.COM From: Richard Powell Subject: B.O.B. interview #1 I've attached a little reading for the weekend. The following text is copied exactly as it originally appeared except were I've replaced British spellings & typos. Please let me know if you see any mistakes. Personally, I think the interviews done by BOB magazine are great, and this one is no exception. - Dick (powell@kodak.com) WARNING: this is about 9 printed pages long! ************************************************* Bucketfull of Brains Magazine (London, England) Issue 15, Feb/86 ************************************************* BEYOND THE PAIL - by Jon Storey (Editor/Publisher) I'm particularly pleased to be able to include the "Warm Spell" flexi together with the Steve Kilbey interview. THE CHURCH BENEATH THE PLATINUM STARS THE STEVE KILBEY INTERVIEW -By Jon Stoney Back in 1981 there wasn't a garage band on every block, good guitar bands were thin on the ground and psychedelic bands were a similarly scarce commodity. There were however a handful of practitioners of these almost forgotten arts: the Barracudas, Cannibals and Mood Six here in the UK, the Dogs in France and the Chesterfield Kings, Lyres and Droogs amongst the Americans. In Australia, currently deluged in great new bands, there was The Church- another gleam in the general musical dross then prevalent. I can still vividly recall the first showing of the video for the Church's 2nd 45 "The Unguarded Moment" on BBC TV's "Whistle Test" program, and from that moment I became a staunch fan of the band. Their subsequent four albums are well played favorites in this household, with the debut LP and "The Blurred Crusade" ("Field Of Mars" from the latter would easily make it into my all-time top ten tracks) being particularly revered. Despite the four albums and a host of excellent 45s and EPs there was rarely anything about the band in fanzines or indeed the mainstream music press outside of Australia and this state of affairs, compounded by the fact that no new material was released between mid '83 and October '85 (when the latest 45 "Already Yesterday" was issued), has resulted, in my view, in the Church being shamefully overlooked amidst the tidal wave of new bands. Recently the band have been signed worldwide by EMI and the new album, "Heyday" is already available in the USA and Australia and should be issued in the UK in April, preceded by the single "Tantalized". This album is somewhat of a departure in that eight of the ten tracks are credited to the whole band- whereas, in the past, songs were composed almost exclusively by Steve Kilbey and in addition the instrumentation has been augmented by a small orchestra. As Steve Kilbey says: "the real challenge was to compose together, to put our identity to the test, to let five long years of constant playing pay off in a week or two of spontaneous creativity. I feel the result of this gamble is the loosest, warmest and most musically exciting album we could make". From the opening moments of "Myrrh" it's evident that all the former Church trademarks are here- the songs are exquisitely crafted, exotic yet totally accessible with the strings and horns adding rather than obscuring. If any record by the Church is sufficient to boost them from cult-status to popular appeal, this is the one to do it- here's hoping. Determined to extend my meager knowledge of the Church I contacted singer, guitarist & songwriter Steve Kilbey in January and the results of the long distance interview are printed here. Thanks are due to Steve himself for taking the trouble to wade through my pages of questions and for so readily agreeing to the inclusion of the previously unreleased track "Warm Spell" on the flexi-disc included with this issue; thanks are also extended to all at Mike's Management in New York for their invaluable assistance. B.O.B.: When, why and how did the Church first come together? S.K.: The Church originally came together in April 1980; there was Peter Koppes, myself and a drummer called Nick Ward who played on some of the first album. Peter and I had known each other previously and been in a few bands- mucking about. I had a four track studio in my bedroom and we had been recording a few things and decided that they sounded good enough to do something. Peter hauled in Nick Ward, who he knew, who was a fairly heavy kind of a character- eventually it didn't work out and when he left the band Richard (Ploog) joined, that was after we'd recorded most of the first album. Then we were based, as we always have been, in Sydney. We started off doing very small gigs with a band who were friends of ours and things snowballed from there. B.O.B.: What previous musical experience did you have? S.K.: Peter and I had been in a number of bands in Canberra that had never done anything at all, some of their names were Precious Little and Baby Grand but they never released any records - all we did was play at a few school socials. Marty Willson-Piper was in a band in England called the True Hundred, who also never released anything; Richard Ploog was in a whole lot of bands- Exhibit A, Loose Kicks.... he was also in a band, at one stage, with Doctor Robert who's now in the Blow B.O.B.: Who chose the name "The Church" and have you ever had any serious objections? S.K.: I chose the name. We've never had any really serious objections. We had a death threat once when we were playing on Easter Sunday- a whole lot of people rang up and thought there was a Mass on somewhere because of our name- that in turn got some newspaper coverage and the whole thing turned into a bit of a joke and someone objected to that and said they were going to come and get us live on stage with guns...but it never happened. The name was just one at random from a list I had- at that stage we never envisaged it being anything more than just a band mucking about in small pubs and things. B.O.B.: What music were you listening to at that time, who inspired you? S.K.: The Church has always had an incredibly eclectic range of influences...the Beatles, the Byrds, Dylan, Be-Bop Deluxe, Cockney Rebel, Doctors Of Madness, pre "Dark Side Of The Moon" Pink Floyd, Big Star, the Stones, Who, T. Rex, basically anyone who's done anything good in the last 20 years. All of those bands inspired us. Marty's into Can and Neu and Amon Duul and all those things. I've been into electronic and folk music and Richard has always been an extreme 60's freak as has Peter. B.O.B.: How did your deal with Parlophone and Carrere come about? S.K.: We signed to ATV/Northern Songs at a very early stage. They had a deal with EMI that everything they did would be released on Parlophone. We didn't really have much say with Carrere who had signed with ATV. B.O.B.: Did you release any records prior to "The Unguarded Moment" single? S.K.: Yes, we did release one single called "She Never Said" which was different to the version on the first album. The B side was called "In A Heartbeat" which was described at the time as being a Kinks-y type of thing. B.O.B.: Can you tell me about the major tours that you have done? S.K.: We've been doing major tours of Australia for the last 5 years, five thousand people down to two hundred in pubs in the outback. B.O.B.: Why don't you tour in Europe more often? S.K.: It's mainly a financial thing. When we played there in 1982 we lost a lot of money- we had to come back to Australia and flog ourselves round some fairly undesirable places just to get our money back. We want to play Europe properly or not at all. We did tour the USA in '84 and the reaction was really good. We played the Ritz in New York and the Palace in L.A. and got really good reviews. B.O.B.: Did you use a keyboard player on that tour? S.K.: We have been using keyboard players for the last couple of years- none of them have ever been part of the group. That guy (on the US tour) was called Greg Kuehne and he'd done some playing with "New Wave" bands. We have no plans to add anyone as a permanent member of the group. B.O.B.: What do you think about the resurgence of psychedelic and guitar bands? S.K.: I think it's great, I'd rather hear guitars than synthesizers any day. We toured with the Rain Parade who are a great guitar band and there's some good ones in Australia: the Ups and Downs, Lighthouse Keepers, Triffids. We're in a bit of a cocoon here, consequently I'm not much of an authority on the new bands- that's more Marty or Richards department. B.O.B.: Do you regard the Church as forerunners of this movement and does it give you hope for the future? S.K.: Well, we were doing it before a lot of the other bands, in a way. I don't think many of them use us as an influence because I don't think we have much impact on the world at large. In one way we're an unacknowledged forerunner. It doesn't really give me hope for the future because I think that bands rise and fall on their own merits, I don't think being part of a "new guitar movement" is going to help you in the long run. B.O.B.: Can you go through each of your records and tell me which tracks you particularly like or find successful? S.K.: I wasn't real happy with the first album at all but probably "Bel Air" was successful- I like the lyric and I think what was to become our trademark with the guitar started happening on that track in particular. "Is This Where You Live" was an OK track, perhaps a little bit pompous and Gothic or grandiose- but I still think it had good lyrics and conjured up Sydney-ish images. "Tear It All Away", which was intended to be on the album but came out as part of a double single here, was representative of what we would start doing later on. I think most of the tracks on the next album, "The Blurred Crusade", were successful in the way we envisaged them, "Almost With You" was a bit of a hit in Australia, and it was a nice taster for the rest of the album- I think everything that happened on the rest of the album was included on that track. "When You Were Mine" was a very popular track live and we never get away without playing it. "An Interlude" has always been a favorite of mine, I wrote the lyrics in 1978 while I was staying in London. Next was "Sing Songs" which was actually a demo album. We had been in danger of losing our deal with Capitol Records and they wanted to hear 4 new songs which they, in their wisdom, thought would be some hit singles. We knocked out these four, learnt them, recorded them and mixed them in one or two nights. They didn't want to put them out, or the "Blurred Crusade" album so I thought why not put them out called "Sing Songs" which was quite an honest title. People were expecting the perfect production of "The Blurred Crusade" and fairly disappointed with this EP, It was taken in the wrong spirit I suppose. "The Night Is Very Soft" and "In This Room" were quite successful tracks, we never again followed the direction of those- It was a little avenue or dead-end that we left unexplored. "The Night Is Very Soft" appealed to me, it was the first time the Church did anything with a vaguely sexual feel to it. Then there's (the LP) "Seance", I liked "Fly" and "Travel By Thought" which was the first time we really cut loose just for the sheer hell of making lots of noises. On the other side I think "Now I Wonder Why" was the quintessential track by the Church; it's a very dreamy, melancholy thing that worked well, I don't think it was a great mix- I would have liked the drums to sound a little different on that, I like the part at the end where all the voices start whispering the lyrics at once. Then came "Remote Luxury" (which was actually a combination of two EPs, "Remote Luxury" and "Persia"). The best tracks were "Constant In Opal", which had a good mechanical feel about it, and "Shadow Cabinet" where the lyrics were interpretable on a number of levels. Then there's the new album ("Heyday") and my favorite track is "Myrrh" which defines 1986 Church, it's all the best things about us. B.O.B.: Who is Michele Parker, who sings on "It's No Reason" and co-wrote "The Unguarded Moment"? S.K.: She was a friend and sometime collaborator of mine who I don't have much to do with anymore. She now runs a clothing shop in Sydney. B.O.B.: Which do you consider your most artistically successful album? S.K.: If we're not going to talk about "Heyday" I think I'd have to say "The Blurred Crusade". I think it was the definitive Church album, it had a dreaminess, a luxury, a polish or luster. Some of the lyrics are a little fourth-form poetry-ish, but it didn't seem like that at the time. We recorded that mid 1981 so it's almost 5 years old. I think on that album we formulated the whole groundwork for the Church, the guitarists got it down how they were going to inter-react. Bob Clearmountain did a superb job on the mix, and it had a nice cover. I remember that LP with very fond memories. B.O.B.: And the least successful? S.K.: That would have to be "Remote Luxury", there's a couple of tracks that I really hate, like "Maybe These Boys" which was done as a kind of mistake. Compared to "Heyday" ,where we've come back and are really working as a group, it really pales into insignificance. I think "Remote Luxury" is a pretty throw-away album and hopefully that'll be the last time something like that will happen. B.O.B.: There has recently been released a Steve Kilbey solo 45, why was this? S.K.: I write hundreds of songs in my bedroom studio. The rest of the band were on holiday and I had a few songs- I really liked "Asphalt Eden" as a song and it gave me the chance to do my best Scott Walker deep-voice thing. It didn't do particularly well, in fact it was rather ignored. I did it just for the hell of it really, waste a bit of EMI's money. B.O.B.: Do you feel restricted within the framework of the Church? S.K.: Of course I do! Everything we do has to have two guitars.....I'm happy to work within those restrictions and I think on the new album we're breaking out of them- making this album has opened up a lot of vistas to us and I'm feeling quite happy to work within the Church. I could have a recording deal in America to continue to put out solo material, if I so chose. I don't know If I'm going to get the time, it all depends on how the (Church's) new album does. B.O.B.: Have you recorded any other solo material? S.K.: No. A character out here called Ignacious Jones put out a record that I wrote called "Like A Ghost" which had a version of "It's No Reason" on the B side. I believe it did quite well in the gay clubs in San Francisco but apart from that I think it Ensign in England. Peter Koppes recorded a single with his wife, calling themselves Melody- which did absolutely nothing at all because it was a really nice song called "Love Can't Imagine". Ploog's played drums on the Beasts Of Bourbon and Salamander Jim records, he's played gigs with them and the Saints. Oh, I played bass on a record called "The Immigrant Tango" which is by an Australian group called James Griffin & the Subterraneans- Marty played a bit of 12 string on it too; it's a six track EP. B.O.B.: I recently discovered a 45 by the Crystal Set ("A Drop In The Ocean" SET 001, recently reissued on Red Eye in Australia) which has two songs credited to Kilbey-Maher.. S.K.: Russell Kilbey is my brother and he's the one credited on the Crystal Set, not me. They're still playing around Sydney and have just done a new single which I helped to produce with Guy Gray who was one of the assistant engineers on "Heyday". It's called "Benefit Of The Doubt" and I think it's amazing. Russell plays bass and a bit of harmonica and appears on "Seance" as a bit of an after thought. B.O.B.: Some of my favorite songs are "The Unguarded Moment", "Field Of Mars", "Chrome Injury" "Constant In Opal" and "Electric Lash". Could you say a few words about these? S.K.: "Unguarded Moment" is an albatross around our necks and I personally hate the fucking song but it's something we have to do live. "Chrome Injury" was one of the first songs we ever recorded, it actually got us our demo deal. "Field Of Mars" isn't science fiction, it's a cemetery in Sydney where the man next door, who was a very good friend of mine, was buried and I wrote that song for him, Marty sung that one. "Constant In Opal" was based on an obvious pun. I suppose it's about trying to gratify yourself with wealth or looking for this elusive thing that you can never find. "Electric Lash" was written a long time before we recorded "Seance". It was written during the "Blurred Crusade" sessions. We all had on these boots that had these plastic soles and you'd be walking along up at EMI on the nylon carpet and the bushes would bend over and give you an electric shock because of the static that was created. It was released here as a 45 but didn't do very much. B.O.B.: I also like "Fly", who's the Tyrannosaurus Rex fan? S.K.: We all are! I think I'm probably the biggest- my favorite albums being "Beard Of Stars" and the one simply called "T.Rex", which are two of the most influential albums on anything I've ever done. I knocked this one out quickly while I was waiting for the others- who were late. We added the bongos later, in the studio- it ended up sounding Tyrannosaurus Rex-y- it was never intended to sound like that, but I'm quite happy for people to see it that way. B.O.B.: Most of your singles feature B sides that are not available elsewhere, I assume this is deliberate policy? S.K.: Of curse! There are two arguments: you buy a single and you get an unavailable B side and you get value for money; the other one says you have to buy a single just to get a B side - so it's a bit of a dilemma. Normally we just record a whole bunch of songs and earmark the ones we like least for the B sides. B.O.B.: Of the B sides I particularly like "Life Speeds Up".......... _ S.K.: That could have been a really good track but became a bit grandiose- which is sometimes a bit of a tendency of the Church- so didn't go onto the "Blurred Crusade" album. B.O.B.: Regarding recording and production, how do you find working with Bob Clearmountain and Chris Gilbey? S.K.: Bob Clearmountain is probably the best mixer and one of the best producers in the world and it was wonderful to work with him. Chris Gilbey was a "good ideas" man. We stopped working with them because Bob went on to bigger and better things- making billions of dollars in the US charts. We did the latest album with Peter Walsh he's definitely the best producer I've worked with so far- I'd like to get him for the next album. B.O.B.: How do you see the future of the Church? S.K.: I don't know about the future of the Church. We're doing a tour of Australia (February / March), the new LP will be released in the USA and in the UK. I imagine there will be tours of the USA and UK this year, but anything goes- it all depends which way the wind blows. With dates currently being set up in the USA and Europe, you should be able to catch the Church on stage. It's been a long time since their last UK shows, so I'm eagerly awaiting their two dates at the Marquee in London in early April. I've just been told that the video for the latest single, "Tantalized", has been added to the MTV play-list in the USA so perhaps the Church's time has finally arrived; after five years of great records they fully deserve all the success that this long overdue exposure generates. "Heyday" is surely the most accessible of the Church's records (but the lyrics remain as obscure as ever) and, to quote the lyrics of "Tantalized", "Pandora's Box reveals a new surprise, can't wait to see your eyes, now you've been tantalized". I'm well tantalized! A heady mix of themes ancient ("Emerald haunt in overdrive, nightmare descent into Jericho city") and space-age ("so now we're cruising down this shuddering highway, with a dead sun shining on my back"), thick with the mesmerizing guitars of Peter Koppes and Marty Willson-Piper doe the trick, totally! ***END*** From 21922SM@msu.edu Fri Jun 24 09:00 PDT 1994 Fri, 24 Jun 94 12:01:03 EDT From: "Scott.Mikusko" <21922SM@msu.edu> Subject: Any airplay on eMpTyV? Has anyone seen any new Church on "120 Minutes" on MTV? In '88 and '90 they got a fair amount of airplay, but I haven't seen anything so far. All they ever play now is damn hip-hop music. I haven't watched 120 in quite a while, ever since they choked themselves on Seattle music about three years ago. I'll have to watch this weekend for any new videos. -Scott ======================================================================== Scott Thomas Mikusko "But the truth DOES matter!!" Internet Guerilla smikusko@nyx.cs.du.edu -Bob Larson 21922sm@msu.edu mikuskos@student.msu.edu ======================================================================== From anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Sat Jun 25 23:57 PDT 1994 Reply-To: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Organization: Xymox UUCP System, Melbourne Australia From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Re: How long is it? Rich asks: > list members. Can anyone supply me with the time for any of the following songs > > oh yeah, one more Church song: > Room Full of Diamonds (was that the title?) 4 min 28 sec. (Yes, that's the title!) -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au those herbal-tea moments." - Caroline Sullivan of The Guardian reviewing the new "Victoria Amos" album. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Sat Jun 25 23:58 PDT 1994 Reply-To: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Organization: Xymox UUCP System, Melbourne Australia From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Re: discography Todd writes about my Hypertext Discog suggestion: > Ooh, AMIGAGUIDE!!! Yes, a hypertext version would be really cool! Has > it been done anywhere before? Yup; the Ecto mailing list has an "Encyclopedia" on the person the list is for, Happy Rhodes, in AmigaGuide, WinHelp and NeXt formats. It includes bio, info on the list, a full discography linked to lyrics and production/musician credits for each song on each album, is fully cross-referenced, and includes lots of articles and reviews as a bonus, once again cross-referenced to the song details. It's rather good. :-) The person who put this together has written a conversion program to handle all the different hypertext formats. I can ask him about it if you like... > The short discography and all the solo > projects could be put in separate sections...but how would you split-up > the Church section? By album? Or not at all? And you could even add > an 'About The Author' section with a picture of Morten! ;) I have my Margot Smith GIFs ready for her section... :-) -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au those herbal-tea moments." - Caroline Sullivan of The Guardian reviewing the new "Victoria Amos" album. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Sat Jun 25 23:59 PDT 1994 Reply-To: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Organization: Xymox UUCP System, Melbourne Australia From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Two Places At Once details The single for "Two Places At Once" has finally been released in Australia, and unfortunately for you b-side collectors, there's nothing new on here. The full details for the discography are: "Two Places At Once" White/Mushroom D11675 (1994) 4.49 Two Places At Once - Video Edit 7.53 Two Places At Once - Album Version 4.24 Two Places At Once - Radio Edit The cover and label art were designed in Australia by Pierre Baroni, former staff member of Mushroom Art. The CD single is packaged in a "slim" jewel case. Also, in the discog, I noticed this surprise: > Ignacious Jones > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Like A Ghost > It's No Reason > > 7" single (Australia) ? > Both songs written by Kilbey, no other involvement While I don't have the 7" version, I do have the 12", and to my complete surprise, this is indeed written by S. Kilbey. I've never seen the 7" single (I'll be looking - could that be the same "It's No Reason"?? :-) but the 12" single I have is one of US remixes, so in the great tradition of completeness: Ignatius Jones (note the *correct* spelling! :-) "Double Dance Monster" Whispering Your Name (Jules Shear) Like A Ghost (S. Kilbey) 12" single (Australia) Wombat/WEA Records 0-259853 (1983) Produced by Chris Gilbey. "Like A Ghost" remixed by Sergio Munzibai and John Morales (An M & M Mix) - A Team Groove Edit. (Original US Mix). -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au those herbal-tea moments." - Caroline Sullivan of The Guardian reviewing the new "Victoria Amos" album. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From powell@Kodak.COM Mon Jun 27 08:09 PDT 1994 Reply-To: powell@Kodak.COM From: Richard Powell Subject: 2 Meter Sessies Has anyone seen a compilation CD from 1992 called "2 Meter Sessies, Volume 1"? The following article announced its release a few years ago, but I've never found it. > ICE - The Monthly CD Newsletter (Santa Monica, CA, USA) > Issue 59, Feb/92 > > Radio Records in Holland recently issued a tasty > compilation of live radio performances by 18 > different artists. Featured on the "2 Meter Sessies > Volume 1" disc (Radio Records 848 52002; marketed > by Phonogram) are acoustic performances of "Under The > Milky Way" by The Church, ..., "Beatles and The Stones" > by House Of Love, ..., and others. - Dick (Powell@Kodak.COM) PS: Morton - For the discog, chronologically, this would appear just before Priest=Aura. --- cut here --- 1992 2 Meter Sessies, Volume 1 (Various Artists) Under The Milky Way (live, acoustic) Note: Compilation of live radio acoustic performances by 18 different artists. CD Phonogram/Radio Records 848 52002 (Holland) From mosk Mon Jun 27 10:09 PDT 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: 2 Meter Sessies > From powell@Kodak.COM Mon Jun 27 08:09:14 1994 > > Has anyone seen a compilation CD from 1992 called "2 Meter > Sessies, Volume 1"? The following article announced its > release a few years ago, but I've never found it. > I saw this item advertised by these guys a couple of months ago: Mail order & collectibles: Mod Lang PO box 10111 Berkeley, CA 94709-0111 (510) 486-1880 I think it was $18.00. Give them a call... They have a good selection... > - Dick (Powell@Kodak.COM) > > > PS: Morton - > > For the discog, chronologically, this would appear just > before Priest=Aura. > It has been added. Thanks! -m From wimmer@anthro.utah.edu Mon Jun 27 11:24 PDT 1994 From: Matt Wimmer Sender: Matt Wimmer Reply-To: Matt Wimmer Subject: steve's attitude As marty said after the sl concert, the band wouldn't be what it is if they were both total outgoing types, like marty. Marty is cool as shit, but I think I'd probably get really tired of being chased by an adoring cult too, after 10+ years. Steve just has a different temperament, more dark/introspective, which apparently dosen't take to being mauled by the public anymore, however amusing they may be. Contact with famous people is kind of weird anyway-- they mean a lot more to you, personally, than you do to them. You realize this, and they do, but it just puts up this barrier. Some people, like Marty, and (ok, don't crucify me, this is IMHO) Morrissey, can really overcome it. Others have a hard time accepting the adoration of millions-- or I guess thousands, in the case of the church. From mosk Mon Jun 27 15:26 PDT 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: Two Places At Once details > From anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Sat Jun 25 23:59:35 1994 > > The single for "Two Places At Once" has finally been released in Australia, > and unfortunately for you b-side collectors, there's nothing new on here. The > full details for the discography are: > Bummer! > > > Also, in the discog, I noticed this surprise: > > > Ignacious Jones > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Like A Ghost > > It's No Reason > > > > 7" single (Australia) ? > > Both songs written by Kilbey, no other involvement > > While I don't have the 7" version, I do have the 12", and to my complete > surprise, this is indeed written by S. Kilbey. I've never seen the 7" single > (I'll be looking - could that be the same "It's No Reason"?? :-) but the 12" > single I have is one of US remixes, so in the great tradition of > completeness: > You _have_ this??? Wow, I didn't think anyone would have this item... My info is solely taken (and pieced together) from the second BOB interview from way back... I will take this info as better gospel though, and change the discog.... Now, how is the song??? And yes, from the article it appeared that it is _the_ "It's no Reason".... Could there really be a 7" version with different tracks??? > Ignatius Jones (note the *correct* spelling! :-) > Ic's been poinced ouc co me before, I jusc can'c find che scupid "t" on che keyboard.... :-) > "Double Dance Monster" > > Whispering Your Name (Jules Shear) > Like A Ghost (S. Kilbey) > > 12" single (Australia) Wombat/WEA Records 0-259853 (1983) > > Produced by Chris Gilbey. "Like A Ghost" remixed by Sergio Munzibai and John > Morales (An M & M Mix) - A Team Groove Edit. (Original US Mix). > -morten From TAOBERLY@delphi.com Mon Jun 27 20:16 PDT 1994 From: Todd Oberly Subject: Neat Church item X-Vms-To: IN%"seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Morten, I have another addition to the discography, and since I think it's kind of neat, I thought I'd post it. I haven't seen one, but Canada has released a promo wooden box of "Sometime Anywhere" containing both CD's and a tour patch! The guy on the phone said it is a really beautiful package and implied that in Canada, this was the only way to get the second CD. Has anybody seen this thing? -Todd From powell@Kodak.COM Tue Jun 28 06:19 PDT 1994 Reply-To: powell@Kodak.COM From: Richard Powell Subject: Mr.Jones Anthony - Mr. Jones does exist!!! That was one that I had considered only rumor. Do the songs sound like Kilbey had a hand in the recording? Morton - "Ignatius" was spelled incorrectly in the BOB article. You are forgiven! ----------------------------------------------------------- Kilbey: ``A character out here called Ignacious Jones put out a record that I wrote called "Like A Ghost" which had a version of "It's No Reason" on the B side. I believe it did quite well in the gay clubs in San Francisco but apart from that I think it sunk without a trace. I think it was released on Ensign in England.'' ----------------------------------------------------------- From wimmer@anthro.utah.edu Tue Jun 28 12:02 PDT 1994 From: Matt Wimmer Subject: Re: Mr.Jones Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM I heard it on late night radio once-- It sounds nothing at all like the Kilbey version. I didn't really like it very much, but it was interesting. "like a g-g-g-g-ghost" in this weird deep cajun type remix voice. From TAOBERLY@delphi.com Tue Jun 28 20:18 PDT 1994 From: Todd Oberly Subject: Neat Church item X-Vms-To: IN%"seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Bill wrote... > The box was a promotional item in the U.S. Okay, I stand corrected! Funny that I came across one for sale through a Canadian dealer first, though... Todd From anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Wed Jun 29 10:28 PDT 1994 Reply-To: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Organization: Xymox UUCP System, Melbourne Australia From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Review of SA/SE from Beat. By me. :) This ran in Beat Magazine today, so for those of you who don't live in Melbourne, here's my promised take on the album, written in my usual obscure literary style... :) The Church Sometime Anywhere / Somewhere Else (White) The musical progress of The Church has been a fascinating thing to watch over the 14 years that they've been recording; constantly evolving and exploring new territory, no-one is ever quite sure what to expect from a Church album. Now reduced to the duo of Steve Kilbey and Marty Willson-Piper (Peter Koppes left the band after the release of "Priest = Aura", and second drummer Jay Dee Daugherty has also left), this incarnation of The Church was inevitably going to sound unlike anything that's gone before; just how different, though, no-one could have imagined. "Sometime Anywhere" is The Church at their most experimental, melodic and textured. A natural progression from the previous album, it throws out completely the US rock ethic that had become part of the first couple of Mushroom albums, and charts some brave new territory. This is a difficult album to listen to at first, one which requires an investment of patience and an open mind. Opening track "Day Of The Dead" sets the tone for the set, a lusciously produced wash of rhythms, guitars and vocal melody that is light years removed from anything else being recorded at the moment; its antithesis is the very next track, an electronically-driven aural dream in the form of "Lost My Touch", Kilbey's spoken verses meshing with found sounds and samples. "Loveblind" is more straightforward, but only in terms of song structure; its restrained mix and ethereal arrangement place the song on another level altogether. "My Little Problem" returns to a more familiar Church sound, but this is only a fleeting visit; "The Maven", recorded in Sweden and sporting an authentic 60s lo-fi drum sound, is so rich in mood and melody it's almost visual. "Angelica" is about as close as you're ever going to get to dance music on a Church album; sequenced and sampled and then washed with guitars, this is unexpected enough that the short orchestral interlude in the middle of the song seems perfectly logical. "Lullaby" is a short ballad that recalls Lou Reed, while "Eastern" is exactly what its title implies, tabla meeting backwards guitar in an intermission-like instrumental. New single "Two Places At Once" follows; a leisurely paced and quite beautiful song, it is only marred by the distraction of Marty Willson-Piper's singing in the second and fourth verses; his singing style jars with the song inexplicably, though its appearance is in keeping with the unexpected nature of the album. "Business Woman" is traditional jangly Church, while "Authority" is its companion piece, marrying the atmospherics of the earlier songs with a pop ethic to wonderful effect. "Fly Home", long, evocative and possessed of the same understanding of dynamics that Smashing Pumpkins took on board last year, also features Willson-Piper on vocals, this time to far better effect; closing track "The Dead Man's Dream" rounds the album off perfectly and uniquely. Though the album proper runs a hefty 77 minutes, early copies come with a bonus disc comprising seven more new songs; this essential 30 minutes contains some of the best music The Church have recorded, in the form of "The Time Being" and "Cut In Two", the latter possessed of a huge sound that is far removed from the album proper. Also included is a 1987 track thought long lost, "Drought". No mere throwaway bonus disc, "Somewhere Else" is an essential part of the album as a whole. And as a whole, this album is remarkable, impenetrable, subtle, strange, melodic, discordant, and just plain brilliant - not to mention, at 107 minutes, long. Its experimental tone may surprise those unfamiliar with Kilbey's solo work, but the patient will be rewarded with the best set of songs The Church have recorded in years. (9/10) ANTHONY HORAN This review copyright Anthony Horan 1994; free non-profit electronic distribution is welcome. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au those herbal-tea moments." - Caroline Sullivan of The Guardian reviewing the new "Victoria Amos" album. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Wed Jun 29 14:58 PDT 1994 From: pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Subject: room full of diamonds This is mostly for non-Australia members, but everyone could take note. Anthony posted info about "Earth Music", a cd containing 3 songs, one (room full of diamonds) by the Church. I ordered it from Red Eye right away, who said it wasn't to be released for 2 weeks. The next day, my sister who was in Australia, sent me a copy of it she had seen in a store. Anyway, the point is that there are actuallt TWO "Earth Music" cd's. The EP, which was released earlier, is the one Anthony talked ab out, and contains the Church song. The other one is a full length album containing many australian artists, but NOT the Church. They are both benefit albums for an environmental group, and it is very strange that of the 3 songs on the EP, the one by the Church is the only one not also on the LP version. For those of you who may have ordered the EP from Red Eye (or anyone else) beware, you may get the non-Church LP, like I did. I gave the correct cat. # and everything, so it may happen to others of you. The correct # is:D 11756 Marketed by mushroom, Dist. by Festival, the LP # is TVD 93412 (RMD 53412). So be careful when you order, but the EP is definately worth getting! -paul From powell@Kodak.COM Thu Jun 30 20:16 PDT 1994 From: "Richard W. Powell x71123/ESD/8-23-KP" Reply-To: "Richard W. Powell x71123/ESD/8-23-KP" Subject: BOB, n25, May/88 >From the archives... hope you enjoy it (again?) - Dick *********************************************************** Publisher: Bucketfull of Brains Magazine (London, Eng.) Issue: No.25 Date: May, 1988 *********************************************************** BEYOND THE PAIL by Jon Storey First, an apology to those of you looking forward to the Lime Spiders /UV's flexi promised last issue, problems getting a finished mixed track meant we've had to hold off for the moment. Instead, with this issue is an unreleased studio track entitled "Texas Moon" recorded by The Church during their "Starfish" album sessions and only available here. Our thanks go to the Church for so kindly offering us the track and also to Mike Lembo and Jill Christianson of Mike's Management for their help in getting the tape to us so rapidly. Cheers, one and all! The Steve Kilbey interview in this issue compliments the earlier one in issue 15 (still available as a back issue, with the original version of "Warm Spell" on the freebie flexi) and the man's got plenty to talk about with a generous helping of his solo releases and the new Church LP all coming under scrutiny. THE CHURCH By Frank Beeson The careers of Steve Kilbey and the Church continue full-throttle with the recent USA release of the great "Unearthed" solo album (Enigma); in addition to the solo instrumental album (and book) "Earthed" (which is due out on USA CD release via Rykodisc) and the latest solo EP "The Slow Crack". If this isn't enough to satisfy the congregation, the Church has also released its latest, long-awaited album "Starfish" for Arista Records- hopefully this will be the release to finally break the Australian band wide open. "Starfish" is the result of many laborious months working in Los Angeles with producers Waddy Wachtel and Greg Ladanyi. Although a somewhat incongruous match, the final results left the basic Byrds-meet-Pink Floyd sound intact. "Under The Milky Way" and "Lost" are but two of the many highlights of an incontestable gem. And, lucky for all, the original members Kilbey (Lead vocals/bass), Peter Koppes (guitar), Marty Willson-Piper (guitar) and Richard Ploog (drums) remain intact (Willson-Piper's rocking "Spark" and Koppes' great "A New Season", show them in fine form, taking over lead vocals on their own compositions). I had a chance to talk with Steve Kilbey in Los Angeles last fall, just after the Enigma release of "Unearthed" and in the middle of the "Starfish" sessions. And expound he did! (check out his sharp comments on "psychedelia" and on those who are more into trend-setting and clothing rather than the actual music). Be sure to watch out for his guitar work on the upcoming Sky Saxon / Fire Wall album (hey- he was willing!). Read on: B.O.B.: You put out the 3-song single "This Asphalt Eden" b/w "Never Come Back" and "Shell" as your solo release? S.K.: That came out about June '85 in Australia on Parlophone. The Church was going through an inactive period. so I just rang up EMI (the label) and said I'd got some songs I'd like to do. Asphalt Eden didn't turn out the way it was supposed to, I had a bit of a battle with the guy who was doing it. B.O.B.: Was the session an attempt to do a full album? S.K.: No, it was only intended to be a single. B.O.B.: How do you see the differences between The Church and your solo projects? S.K.: The Church normally has two guitars, bass and drums and within certain stylistic perimeters. We don't tend to stray from that- everything we do has to sound like The Church. When I do things on my own, I don't have any limits- if I start writing an Armenian waltz or come up with a space-age instrumental, I just do it. The other difference is I play all the instruments. With the Church it's always me playing bass and those guys playing guitars and drums. B.O.B.: Your solo output seems to be more keyboard oriented? S.K.: Yes. I use a lot more keyboards. or if I WANT to use more keyboards, I'm not afraid to. The Church doesn't have songs based on synthesizer - sequencers. B.O.B.: Were any of the songs on "Unearthed" originally intended for The Church? S.K.: I wrote "Out Of This World" for the Church- it sounds pretty much like The Church. The day I brought it in to present to them we had an argument- I lost my temper and decided not to give it to them- not that they were too upset about it. B.O.B.: How did it come about that you are no longer the main composer? S.K.: I thought it was fairer for everyone else to shoulder the responsibility for the material- rather than I always had to have the songs. So like on "Heyday", it's "let's write a whole lot of music together and I'll put the words to it". Obviously the boys really liked that and took it to heart! Now, on this new album, I've got two songs on it, but most of the songs we're doing together. It's more democratic that way- especially for publishing royalties- it's a lot fairer. B.O.B.: "Out Of This World" is a great pop song and sounds like a hit single! S.K.: I had the phrase "Out Of This World" written down on a piece of paper somewhere, and it sort of came together. I was over at a friend's place- she had a book on sewing and I was sitting there copping all these great lines like "trace the muslin design"- it's almost the opening line of the song! I guess a lot of people interpret that to be "Muslim", as in Khomeini and all those guys, but it's "muslin"- a type of fabric. Another line I got was "dividing control dots", which is something you do to a collar on a shirt! B.O.B.: "Guilty" is also a great performance. S.K.: It was just lying on a tape and I had forgotten all about it. I was going through stuff that I wanted to put on the album, there were hundreds of songs that could have gone on, because I do a lot of recording, and I found this song and the looseness of it appealed to me. Strangely enough it is one of the most popular songs on the album, at least in Australia- it's the one everybody played on the radio. B.O.B.: While most of the songs may not have been intended for the Church, did you record the songs in general as demos for the Church? S.K.: No, most of the songs were written after "Heyday". They're not really demos- a lot of people say it's demos. It is an album that was recorded at home, songs that were stacked together to form an album. B.O.B.: On "Judgement Day" you merge joyful music with the stinging lyric "some people got a lot to answer for..." S.K.: It's an interesting thing to do to juxtapose incongruous moods and that's what happened in this song. I mean, I don't believe in "Judgement Day"- it's like "Guilty"- sort of a send-up of that Southern rock type attitude and chord progressions and stuff. A lot of music on "Unearthed" is a low grade pastiche of me sending things up. I guess I probably don't do it well enough and the point gets lost. B.O.B.: Are their spiritual overtones to a name like The Church? S.K.: I think it's more of a Twilight Zone influence- not specifically the TV show, but the thing that there's something else going on in this world other than "you're the girl of my dreams" or "baby, let's rock"; I think there's more going on, which I as a mere mortal am totally confused about. I don't mind drifting into the subject of Christianity or any spiritual sort of thing. since the band's been together we've covered reincarnation, past lives regression and all those sort of things in our songs. It's just little things to prick people's awareness- because I think people are interested in more than just the matter-of-fact things in life . B.O.B.: Were any of the three instrumentals on "Unearthed" intended, originally. to have vocals? S.K.: No, I love instrumentals. I used to like Pink Floyd because a lot of the stuff would just be instrumentals. I think that music can still do things that lyrics tend to hold back a bit. Some things sound good just as pieces of music. B.O.B.: Do you equate these as atmospheric mood pieces a la Rick Wakeman or Jean Michael Jarre? S.K.: No, they're serious about what they do- they're saying this is, sort of, neoclassical. My things are more like little musical sketches. Certainly "Swampdrone" and "Rising Son" are just musical sketches that take you somewhere else for one minute, hopefully. B.O.B.: You use a lot of acoustic guitar. Are you a big fan of folk or country? S.K.: No. not really. I have a whole lot of instruments at home and just tend to grab something, start playing it and write a song around it. I tend to do more a pastiche of country music. B.O.B.: "My Birthday" starts out like a combination of "Mr. Farmer" and "96 rears", with the bass line from Phil Spector's "Then He Kissed Me".... S.K.: Everyone in Australia says that sounds like John Foxx of Ultravox!! I'm like you, I probably listened to millions of records in all my misguided youth, in a bedroom listening to music on the radio or on records as an absolute obsession. Sooner or later it's all just gonna come pouring out. That one's about six years old, so I can't remember why or how. B.O.B.: Do you feel that being labeled as "sixties" has been any barrier to your success? S.K.: Up until The Church, everything I did was more avant-garde. I did a lot more experimenting when I was on my own, recording in a bedroom- I was doing more electronic things. When we got the Church together everyone was saying "you're really 60's-ish". We played that up a lot in the beginning. I think now, I'm a bit tired of it- the new Church album isn't 60's-ish at all. B.O.B.: "Design Error" has echoed-filled vocals like The Yardbirds or Zombies. S.K.: I thought of it as a dance kind of song. The Yardbirds or Zombies were probably the last thing on my mind- it's vaguely about the Space Shuttle. B.O.B.: "Nothing Inside" has an emotional, uplifting feel to it. S.K.: It was just me sitting down strumming a guitar, singing Hey! get out of my way". As I was doing it, guitar and with the backing vocals it ended up being quite a sweet sounding song. It's one a lot of women like. B.O.B.: Is there any significance to the line "always at the Church, but never a bride"? S.K.: You're the first person that's picked up on that! I wrote that to throw in a bit of controversy, maybe to upset a few people- I don't know who. I thought someone would get a joke or a laugh out of it. Everything I do is very vague- if you say something vague and interpretable, more people can get pleasure out of it whereas something specific may appeal to ten people B.O.B.: "Heliopolis" brings to mind soundtrack mood music. S.K.: Yes, I like writing soundtracks for movies that haven't been made. I wanted to get the feeling of Egypt- this vast, shivering expanse. B.O.B.: How would you classify yourself vocally? S.K.: A lot of people say it's sing-speak. or talking...sort of. A lot of people enjoy my lack of expertise- someone singing perfectly often sounds emotionless. I think there's a lot of vulnerability and realism in the way I sing. B.O.B.: What's the story behind your all-instrumental LP "Earthed"? S.K.: It came out after "Unearthed". with 20 tracks- the shortest being 50 seconds and the longest 5 minutes. I think "Earthed" is better than "Unearthed". even though there's no vocals. It was written as the soundtrack for the book ("Earthed"). which I don't think anyone's done before, simultaneously. I'd like to do a soundtrack but no one has ever given me a film. so I invented my own soundtrack idea. The pieces are all musical descriptions of something in the book. B.O.B.: How would you describe the book? S.K.: Its all prose-poems. It's mainly available by mail and has done quite well, about 2,000 copies. I'm paying for it myself, using the best quality paper. It's just a book of random thoughts, prose-poems, dream imagery and stuff like that with no purpose for existing other than existing. B.O.B.: How did the signing of the Church to Arista come about? S.K.: Warners dropped us because we weren't selling enough records. A number of other companies were interested and Arista came up with the most attractive proposition. We were lucky that Clive Davis liked what we'd done before and thought there was potential. B.O.B.: Six of the songs on Starfish" are credited as group compositions- what is the process involved? S.K.: We go in and jam around and keep working on a jam until it becomes a song or an instrumental backing track- then I invent some words for it . B.O.B.: "hotel Womb" is credited solely to you. Is this in any way connected to "Hotel" on the "Earthed" LP? S.K.: It started out as a joke between me and Richard (Ploog). We were staying in London- doing some shows and recording- it was expensive, it was dirty, it was cold. All we wanted to do was stay in a hotel room and smoke pot. We were used to staying there and one day I said to Richard "this isn't a hotel room. this is a hotel womb". So it developed into a song about someone who no matter what adventures he's having. all he wanted to do was get back to his hotel. It's got a clunky bass line and a strange mechanical feel to it, then it goes into a psychedelic solo. B.O.B.: Under The Milky Way" is basically your song too? S.K.: I'd written it as a fairly straight ahead strumming kind of song like "Other Time" or "Nothing Inside". It ended up being quite Roxy Music-ish. It's got this weird backbeat and a lot of electronic noises. There's also a backwards bagpipe solo. It's about this black woman I met in Memphis who shook my mind up one night- it was like two worlds colliding. B.O.B.: Which songs do you feel are most ballad-like? S.K.: "Lost" is probably THE ballad on the album. B.O.B.: How would you describe "Blood Money"? S.K.: Its a shimmering kind of song- there's nothing that really rocks out but it's an intense song, vaguely about a politician and a prostitute. B.O.B.: Do you classify "Destination" as being "psychedelic"? S.K.: Its more like Blue Oyster Cult than anything else. We're definitely not trying to sound like any of our contemporaries, the last thing in the world we're trying to be like is U2 or R.E.M.. especially R.E.M.! B.O.B.: What is your idea of psychedelia? S.K.: The term "psychedelia" is very, very abused. A lot of people pick up on the peripheral aspects of psychedelia. They look at a band and saying "oh. let's be psychedelic". That means we've all got pudding faces and hair cuts. paisley shirts, play Paul McCartney basses or something and never come to terms with what the actual psychedelic movement was all about, which in a way was another twist of the surrealist movement, which is all about changing people's thoughts, exploring dream states and all that kind of stuff. I'm all for anything psychedelic, but I'm against the guise of pudding faces and haircuts, doing old Sky Saxon songs and thinking that they're being sort of weird and modern. B.O.B.: What can you say about "Spark", Marty's song? S.K.: We tend to see our songs in terms of 60's and 70's things, rather than 80's things. We just can't bare to say "this one sounds a little bit like U2, this one sounds a bit like R.E.M." or something like that. Its up tempo, kind of Who / Mott The Hoople type power-pop, I guess. Peter's song "A New Season is very dreamy- it isn't a ballad and isn't really a rock song, it just leaves a nice taste in the mouth. For "Reptile", I just saw David Bowie recently and I'd taken some stuff- halfway through the show he was becoming very reptilian- I got a lot of the lyrics from that experience- it's musically very slimy. "Antenna" is sort of a waltz, a 3/4 waltz time with lyrics about people who think they know everything, picking up on everything with their antennas. B.O.B.: Did you write any of the lyrics here in Los Angeles? S.K.: Yes, a lot of the lyrics like "Reptile", "Lost", "Destination" and "North, South, East and West" were very influenced by being here. B.O.B.: Can you explain "North, South, East And West"? S K: Well, "North, South, East and West" are the four members of the band and the directions we intend to take as soon as the record is over. It's an angry song. B.O.B.: How did you find working with Greg Ladanyi and Waddy Wachtel? Was it Arista's idea? S.K.: That was the key. There's been a lot of tension, they're from a different school to us- it's no good saying to them we want to sound like Kevin Ayers or Sisters Of Mercy- they've never heard that stuff. They bring in a certain style and a type of discipline we probably needed. We make an interesting collaboration . B.O.B.: This is your third major label in America. Are you happy with the arrangement? S.K.: They're looking after us rather nicely and seem to dig what we're doing. but that was pretty true of the others too. If the album sells a million copies. everyone will be happy- if it doesn't. people will start looking around for who to blame. B.O.B.: So what else is happening? S.K.: I've got a new EP out. on Red Eye, called "The Slow Crack" which has 5 new things: "Fireman", a new song, "A Woman With Reason" which is my version of an old Australian hit by Company Kane, "Ariel Sings" which is some Shakespearean lyrics I set to music- which isn't as pretentious as it sounds, and two other songs I've written: "A Minute Without You" and "Surrealistic Woman Blues". It's just me in my bedroom- rough and interesting, I hope. EMI has released a double album of Church rarities in Australia. The reason the band has lasted this long is that none of us has had any other occupation to turn to, and we've stayed together because there were no better offers. If "Starfish" flops, I don't think anyone will want to hang around! ***END*** From anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Thu Jun 30 22:58 PDT 1994 Reply-To: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Organization: Xymox UUCP System, Melbourne Australia From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Re: room full of diamonds Paul helpfully writes: > store. Anyway, the point is that there are actuallt TWO "Earth Music" > cd's. The EP, which was released earlier, is the one Anthony talked > ab out, and contains the Church song. The other one is a full length > album containing many australian artists, but NOT the Church. They > are both benefit albums for an environmental group, and it is very > strange that of the 3 songs on the EP, the one by the Church is the > only one not also on the LP version. I actually posted about this the other week, after I received further info from Mushroom on the content of the Earth Music album, which they were not providing media samples of as it is a benefit album. As Paul says, (and as I said the other week :-), the Church song is the only song on the EP not included on the album compilation (apart from "The Environment", an 8 minute sound effects canvas). This was done for unknown reasons, but I suspect, with the Church album current as well, it was to boost sales of the EP and raise more money. It is somewhat unfortunate that both the EP and album are catalogued as "Earth Music" - it's causing confusion here in Australia as well. > For those of you who may have ordered the EP from Red Eye (or > anyone else) beware, you may get the non-Church LP, like I did. > I gave the correct cat. # and everything, so it may happen to others > of you. Specify, clearly, the DigiPak-cover EP when you order. They shouldn't screw that up, and if they do, they should fix it for free. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au those herbal-tea moments." - Caroline Sullivan of The Guardian reviewing the new "Victoria Amos" album. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Thu Jun 30 23:06 PDT 1994 Reply-To: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Organization: Xymox UUCP System, Melbourne Australia From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Re: Two Places At Once details Morten exclaims: > > and unfortunately for you b-side collectors, there's nothing new on here. The > > Bummer! :-) After a 107 minute album, you want more. Sheesh! :) Even Margot gave us only 62 minutes total... > > > Ignacious Jones > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > Like A Ghost > > > It's No Reason > > > > While I don't have the 7" version, I do have the 12", and to my complete > > You _have_ this??? Wow, I didn't think anyone would have this item... Both me and my housemate have copies of this 12". Bear in mind, this was a later release than the 7" single - "Whispering Your Name" got some play in the US and the US remixes came out as a maxi-single *after* both of the songs had previously been out as 7-inchers. > My info is solely taken (and pieced together) from the second BOB > interview from way back... I will take this info as better gospel > though, and change the discog.... Now, how is the song??? And yes, Don't change the discog to remove the 7" - it does exist, and after finding that "It's No Reason" is on it, I have my team of second-hand store scourers scouring the second hand stores looking for it... :) The song is great, very early-80's swirl-pop sort of style. I guess those people who asked me to tape "Narcosis" for them would like this stuck on the end? :) (I haven't forgotten you, those who sent me mail - I'm just 100 messages deep at the moment with hardly any time on my hands). > from the article it appeared that it is _the_ "It's no Reason".... > Could there really be a 7" version with different tracks??? Yep - that sort of thing is common here, and in this case, with the 12" being a sepcial release, it's understandable. I'd love to hear Ignatius doing "It's No Reason". :-) He has a very Sinatra-meets-Midge-Ure kind of voice...! -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au those herbal-tea moments." - Caroline Sullivan of The Guardian reviewing the new "Victoria Amos" album. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------