From anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Sun May 1 08:05 PDT 1994 Reply-To: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Organization: Xymox UUCP System, Melbourne Australia From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Re: This has nothing to do with the Church, but... Morten abuses his own list by writing... > This e-mail is regarding my second favorite band, the Clouds. Yay! :) > (No, Anthony, Margot does not count as a band, she's an Artiste... :) So she'd be your favorite artiste, then? :-) > They happen to be another Australian act (is it just me or is > Australian music just fantastic these days??? :) It has been for the last few years; there's a heck of a lot of exciting music turning up out here that never gets heard outside Australia. > Well, the good news is that this band will be doing a short tour, > covering the US, UK, NZ and Canada.... For a complete schedule > see below. > > All I can say is GO SEE THIS BAND!!!!! You deserve it....! He's right. The Clouds are superb, and better live than they are on record. If you're lucky, you might get Trish's infamous "What's long and sticky?" joke too. :-) (The answer? A stick. :) > I suggest we take the discussion off-line (I may start a clouds > list if necessary), but if you need more info, mail me... Okay, that's the last you'll hear from me on this list about them, but if you'd like a copy of the interview I did the other week with Patricia Cloud, mail me. And if you go see them, tell 'em Anthony from Beat said "Hiya, play Sea Monkey!" :-) - Anthony (in heaven after two nights of Margot and the Kilbster :-) -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au those herbal-tea moments." - Caroline Sullivan of The Guardian reviewing the new "Victoria Amos" album. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From BSmith@vcomtelc.telecom.com.au Sun May 1 20:00 PDT 1994 From: "Smith, Brian" Subject: Skilbey solo concert Hi All, Since Anthony hasn't posted his review yet, I'll beat the gun and send mine first ! The night opened with Margot Smith performing four songs. She had two guitarists with her, both playing acoustic. She did two songs off Sleeping With The Lion (Child and Dream) and two others I didn't know. She has an excellent and expressive voice, and held the crowd pretty well. Steve strolled on stage in his baggy blue/purple shirt and checked pants (?!?!!?), opening with...erm...shit, I knew I should have written the set list. I'm sure Anthony will have done so. Anyway, after doing a couple of songs of his choosing, someone called out a song, and sensing the audience's negative reaction to this display, Steve assured the crowd that this was a request night. A flood of song names poured forth, and he picked mine, ('cos I yelled it first ) ! I requested Othertime, which was the first Skilbey song I learned to play. Through the course of the night he played (Press play on memory), Guilty, Shadow Cabinet, Caroline Says (Lou Reed), a Marc Bolan number called One Inch Crawl (?), Milky Way, began Unguarded Moment but didn't finish, Ripple, Grind, Hotel Womb (my request), Don't Look Back (also my request, and the first Church song I ever learned), Crimson and Clover (by someone else), the opening chord of Metropolis, Heliopolis and maybe some others, but Anthony will have to fill them in. Amusing Story bit: Through the night, Steve had clearly forgotten some lyrics, mixed some others up etc...at one point he stopped completely and said "What's the next line ?" Naturally, half the crowd yelled it up to him, and he kept going. Steve invited anyone who wanted to come up on stage to do so (Arrgh ! Gibber !) I'd have volunteered, but he'd played all the songs that I was sure of. A guy who I think had been there on the Friday night too, got up and played Myrrh (very well too.) Steve then returned to the stage and sang Grind, while this guy (Jeff Shaman) played guitar. It was then that I cursed myself for not going up, because I CAN play Grind, plus this guy got one of the chords wrong (G major in the chorus, instead of the correct G minor). The Ripple Event: Steve said he'd play Ripple, but he'd stop at the chorus, because he couldn't remember how to play it. So he played the first verse...then paused at the chorus, hand ready to strum. There was silence for a second or so, which I broke by calling out "E flat minor ". He played it and kept singing the chorus. I notice that Steve is one of the "any song can be played on a single acoustic, provided you sing quietly, contemplatively and strum arythmically wherever necessary" school. But then, he's got the kind of voice that sounds good doing that. I think he did it a little too often though. ie. not enough rhythm in the songs, just a continuous strum, one strum per bar. All in all, a cool night, which was too short in my opinion. I hope he and Marty come and do a similar show sometime soon. Brian "E flat minor" Smith From 213170596@UCIS.VILL.EDU Mon May 2 00:34 PDT 1994 From: 213170596@UCIS.VILL.EDU Subject: steve and margot tour Wait a sec... I know I'm completely in the dark (I'm sorry, its been a REAL hard final semester) but where is this Steve Kilbey - Margot Smith tour taking place? It's not in the U.S. is it?? If so, I'm gonna go brush up on some of the ol' church numbers so i can get on stage too!! Ok, now here's a real one. Are there any other church guitar tab's besides the one at ftp.uwp.edu?? It's pretty measly with only UTMW. (i think that was the first song i ever learned how to play all the way through.... either that or something stupid like _Desire_ by yootoo). Anyway, if that really is all, I'll try and be a nice new member by sending a few tabs there myself. I'm really no virtuoso, but i think i've got a pretty good handle on some of their stuff.... So I'll take requests and get to it as soon as school's over.... (which is what i should be doin now...) laterall timB From mrgreen@mame.mu.OZ.AU Mon May 2 03:18 PDT 1994 Subject: Re: Skilbey solo concert <2DC5861A@msmail.trl.oz.au> From: matthew green >Since Anthony hasn't posted his review yet, I'll beat the gun and send mine >first ! prolly waiting on the song list i promised him ;-) i got home and couldn't think of anything.. >The night opened with Margot Smith performing four songs. She had two >guitarists with her, both playing acoustic. She did two songs off Sleeping >With The Lion (Child and Dream) and two others I didn't know. She has an >excellent and expressive voice, and held the crowd pretty well. she was brilliant, imo. i even got to meet her thanks to mr horan! gloat gloat gloat ;-) >Steve strolled on stage in his baggy blue/purple shirt and checked pants >(?!?!!?), opening with...erm...shit, I knew I should have written the set >list. I'm sure Anthony will have done so. Anyway, after doing a couple of nope. he didn't. i didn't either. the first song was a jack frost song. hell, i can't remember it's title, oh yeah.. providence.. that was good. esp. when he was doing the "grant sings like this" and "i sing like this" bits. i think he then did something on unearthed.. but i forgetteded it already. >songs of his choosing, someone called out a song, and sensing the audience's >negative reaction to this display, Steve assured the crowd that this was a >request night. A flood of song names poured forth, and he picked mine, >('cos I yelled it first ) ! I requested Othertime, which was the first i heard you ;-) >Skilbey song I learned to play. Through the course of the night he played >(Press play on memory), Guilty, Shadow Cabinet, Caroline Says (Lou Reed), a >Marc Bolan number called One Inch Crawl (?), Milky Way, began Unguarded one inch rock. >Moment but didn't finish, Ripple, Grind, Hotel Womb (my request), Don't Look >Back (also my request, and the first Church song I ever learned), Crimson >and Clover (by someone else), the opening chord of Metropolis, Heliopolis >and maybe some others, but Anthony will have to fill them in. i am sure there were others but i forget what they were. >Amusing Story bit: >Through the night, Steve had clearly forgotten some lyrics, mixed some >others up etc...at one point he stopped completely and said "What's the next >line ?" Naturally, half the crowd yelled it up to him, and he kept going. > >Steve invited anyone who wanted to come up on stage to do so (Arrgh ! Gibber >!) I'd have volunteered, but he'd played all the songs that I was sure of. ditto. well, it was more that i couldn't think of anything i wanted to do... > A guy who I think had been there on the Friday night too, got up and played >Myrrh (very well too.) Steve then returned to the stage and sang Grind, it was very well. i was rather impressed. >while this guy (Jeff Shaman) played guitar. It was then that I cursed >myself for not going up, because I CAN play Grind, plus this guy got one of >the chords wrong (G major in the chorus, instead of the correct G minor). ditto! he also fucked up some chord at the start, but i'll forgive that for stage fright ;-) >The Ripple Event: Steve said he'd play Ripple, but he'd stop at the chorus, >because he couldn't remember how to play it. So he played the first >verse...then paused at the chorus, hand ready to strum. There was silence >for a second or so, which I broke by calling out "E flat minor ". He played >it and kept singing the chorus. so -you- were the person to my right ! i yell this out at the same time too. -wow- >I notice that Steve is one of the "any song can be played on a single >acoustic, provided you sing quietly, contemplatively and strum arythmically >wherever necessary" school. But then, he's got the kind of voice that >sounds good doing that. I think he did it a little too often though. ie. >not enough rhythm in the songs, just a continuous strum, one strum per bar. that reminds me. he played limbo... >All in all, a cool night, which was too short in my opinion. I hope he and >Marty come and do a similar show sometime soon. it was too short. at least he wasn't asking "what time is it ?", eh morten? ;-) i was pretty much blown away, though. i wish i had gone friday night as well, now. ah well. we live and learn, i guess... >Brian "E flat minor" Smith matthew "dancing bear foot" green. From @PUCC.PRINCETON.EDU,@DUVM.OCS.DREXEL.EDU:SG938Q7H@DUVM.OCS.DREXEL.EDU Mon May 2 06:43 PDT 1994 From: Susan Subject: S. California Show About this "special acousitc performance" in Southern California--what's the deal? Is this a one-shot event? I was under the impression that the Church weren't going to be show! On second thought, I guess that doing one show is different than completing an entire tour. And an acoustic show won't fry SK's ears any more than they already are :) I'm obviously pouting since I can't go :( By the way, I just saw the Charlatans last Tuesday--their new material is a bit weak and Tim Burgess thinks that he is a Mick Jagger/Michael Hutchence hybrid.... Susan From 917815@edna.cc.swin.edu.au Mon May 2 15:33 PDT 1994 From: Jonathan Michael Payling <917815@edna.cc.swin.edu.au> Subject: Re: steve and margot tour Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM On Mon, 2 May 1994 213170596@UCIS.VILL.EDU wrote: > > Wait a sec... > I know I'm completely in the dark (I'm sorry, its been a REAL hard > final semester) but where is this Steve Kilbey - Margot Smith tour taking > place? It's not in the U.S. is it?? If so, I'm gonna go brush up on some > of the ol' church numbers so i can get on stage too!! I'm pretty sure he is off to the States right now. I just saw his last Australian show on Saturday the 30th at the Continental Cafe in Melbourne. The show was totally BIZARRE! Steve is a complete tripper.. for a start he walked out into the audience to watch the support act and hardly anyone noticed! hehe..I resisted the temptation of bothering him as I'd probably only have made a fool of myself.. Anyway, his show was cool. He came on to a smoky stage (incense burning), and played a song I didn't recognize (could be off the new album).. the main line was "now all I've got is problems".. anyway, he ended it rather unceremoniously and the crowd went off hehe.. he then said the show was going to be all requests, which set off a night of audience shouting.. He played heaps of old stuff, can't recall them all.. he also took the piss out of a few people including Neil young and Martin Plaza.. It was a really intimate night... he came on for 2 encores, and let some dude from the audience (a long haired guy, surname: samen) play a song (Murr), and then came on to sing Grind with the guy playing guitar.. this was cool, and we had to shout out parts for him as he'd forgotten the lines! heh.. Anyway, enough rambling... go and see him everyone! > > Ok, now here's a real one. Are there any other church guitar tab's > besides the one at ftp.uwp.edu?? It's pretty measly with only UTMW. (i think > that was the first song i ever learned how to play all the way through.... > either that or something stupid like _Desire_ by yootoo). Anyway, if that > really is all, I'll try and be a nice new member by sending a few tabs there > myself. I'm really no virtuoso, but i think i've got a pretty good handle > on some of their stuff.... So I'll take requests and get to it as soon as > school's over.... (which is what i should be doin now...) Church stuff is really easy!.. it's all like G, C, D Am etc, and steve LOVES F major 7... you can play about 60% of his songs with these chords! > > laterall > timB > > Later.. Elkor.. From anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Mon May 2 17:11 PDT 1994 Reply-To: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Organization: Xymox UUCP System, Melbourne Australia From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Skilbey solo concert II Brian "E Flat Minor" Smith posted: > Hi All, > Since Anthony hasn't posted his review yet, I'll beat the gun and send mine > first ! :-) I ended up so busy yesterday that I didn't get a chance to sit down and be descriptive, otherwise I would have had the "scoop". > The night opened with Margot Smith performing four songs. She had two Five songs! :-) In order (both Friday and Saturday nights) - "Life Time", "Child", "Hope", "More" and "Dream". The third and fourth songs are brand new; the demos of them and one other song were completed earlier in the week, and on tape "More" has no chorus (it was written on Thursday!); both of the new songs are still unfinished. > guitarists with her, both playing acoustic. She did two songs off Sleeping The two guitarists were Michael Wade (the one with the dreadlocks), who co-wrote many tracks on "Sleeping With The Lion" and played on it, and Al McInnes, who's played live with Margot before. On the Saturday I was amused to notice a small group of Al McInnes fans standing near where myself and Matthew Green were. :) > She has an > excellent and expressive voice, and held the crowd pretty well. Going by what you've written later on I assume you were at Saturday's show; Friday night the crowd were far less interested in Margot, at least the standing room customers. People were having high volume conversations through much of her set, and more than a few "sshhhhhhh" noises were coming from the crowd down the front. Saturday's crowd gave her their attention and very enthusiastic applause and whistles. Friday's crowd seemed to be much more a die-hard we-want-Kilbey-and-nothing-else-will-do crowd - even the $45 per head dinner-and-show customers. They were all singing along to Kilbey at the top of their voices! Quite a few people cornered Margot and asked her who she was and was she ever going to put an album out, which was both pleasing and amusing. She gave the album a plug on the Saturday, but forgot to tell the audience who she was. :-) These gigs marked the first time live not only for the new songs, but also for "Dream", a song which I'd always assumed was unplayable live. No problem, thanks to Michael's "Move Over Moon Seven Times" ultra-delay on his guitar, and Al's improvisational sound creation. Combined with Margot's voice, this was the emotional highlight of the entire night for me. Margot will hopefully be doing some full-length gigs herself, sooner rather than later. > Steve strolled on stage in his baggy blue/purple shirt and checked pants > (?!?!!?), opening with...erm...shit, I knew I should have written the set > list. I'm sure Anthony will have done so. Anyway, after doing a couple of Ohhhh, never be sure of that! :-) I'm your regular "hey, Mr Sound Engineer, can I have the set list for reference" kind of reviewer. No set list at this gig, though, so I had to rely on memory. I would have brought a notepad on Saturday except that I was assured that the entire show was being captured on DAT. It wasn't. :-( Anyway, the first song was a Jack Frost one, the name of which escapes me at the moment. > songs of his choosing, someone called out a song, and sensing the audience's > negative reaction to this display, Steve assured the crowd that this was a > request night. A flood of song names poured forth, and he picked mine, > ('cos I yelled it first ) ! I requested Othertime, which was the first That was YOU! :-) I should have walked around with a sign that said "Church list people, say hi". At any rate, I did get to meet Matthew Green. Those looking for me would be reassured to know that I was the one in black. No, the other one. No, not that one in black, the other one. :) > Skilbey song I learned to play. Through the course of the night he played > (Press play on memory), Guilty, Shadow Cabinet, Caroline Says (Lou Reed), a > Marc Bolan number called One Inch Crawl (?), work at this point and that's the last I saw of the Friday show. His opening song on Friday was the same, but little else was. > began Unguarded Moment but didn't finish, Thanks to the woman who yelled out for him to "be serious" when he did a somewhat re-arranged "Unguarded Moment" :) An outraged Skilbey rebuked her, said he'd "lost the vibe for the song" and went on to other things. > and maybe some others, but Anthony will have to fill them in. (Sound of Anthony clutching at memory straws...) > Amusing Story bit: > Through the night, Steve had clearly forgotten some lyrics, mixed some > others up etc...at one point he stopped completely and said "What's the next > line ?" Naturally, half the crowd yelled it up to him, and he kept going. verse of "Almost With You", stopped, and then very deliberately went into the chorus. But funniest Friday incident was when someone near the back yelled out for him to play "Set The Controls For The Heart Of The Sun", ye olde psychedelic Pink Floyd toon. He launched into the chorus of it, then stopped, protesting "I don't know the words". The man who requested the song waited for a bit of quiet, then slowly and clearly spoke the first line of the first verse. Kilbey promptly played it, then waited expectantly. The next line was read, and he sang it. By the time the helpful audience member was instructing Kilbey "now, the chorus", the entire place was collapsing with laughter. > Steve invited anyone who wanted to come up on stage to do so (Arrgh ! Gibber > !) I'd have volunteered, but he'd played all the songs that I was sure of. On the Saturday he did this at the end, but on the Friday he invited willing participants earlier in the set. He got two volunteers, the first of which was an earnest rendition of (something Anthony's forgotten), while the second was a girl named Lana, possessed of an incredible voice (a very strident, Kristen Hersh-ish voice) and a capable guitarist to boot. She did a great version of "Under The Milky Way", and Steve told her off for upstaging him. :-) > A guy who I think had been there on the Friday night too, got up and played > Myrrh (very well too.) Steve then returned to the stage and sang Grind, > while this guy (Jeff Shaman) played guitar. It was then that I cursed Jeff was playing extremely well - and both him and Lana are mentioned in Beat this week. :) > myself for not going up, because I CAN play Grind, plus this guy got one of > the chords wrong (G major in the chorus, instead of the correct G minor). Artistic expression is everything! > The Ripple Event: Steve said he'd play Ripple, but he'd stop at the chorus, > because he couldn't remember how to play it. So he played the first > verse...then paused at the chorus, hand ready to strum. There was silence > for a second or so, which I broke by calling out "E flat minor ". He played > it and kept singing the chorus. That was YOU!!!!!!! :-) That was Saturday's best laugh for me. Thanks! I like the way there seemed to be so many guitarists in the audience. > wherever necessary" school. But then, he's got the kind of voice that > sounds good doing that. I think he did it a little too often though. ie. > not enough rhythm in the songs, just a continuous strum, one strum per bar. True - especially after the virtuoso guitar playing that was going on during Margot's short set. But Kilbey's show was never so much about musicianship as about a get-together of fans, a bit of fun with some great songs, and some jokes. I loved it. > All in all, a cool night, which was too short in my opinion. I hope he and Interesting point - his main set on Saturday was far shorter than it was on the Friday. I'm not sure about encores as I was on my way to the city by then... -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au those herbal-tea moments." - Caroline Sullivan of The Guardian reviewing the new "Victoria Amos" album. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From gsa@panix.com Mon May 2 18:12 PDT 1994 From: Gary Assa Subject: Kick me in the ass I should be more thorough when I ask questions. I didn't know of the NYC show vanue for the Clouds, and it was graciously posted to me. Then I remember my friend in Chicago would no doubt want to see them, but I didn't copy donw the Chicago area date (if there even was one). Can someone please post it, or the management company of the Coulds so I can call myself? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- * The first thing we do let's kill all the lawyers _Shakespeare * ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From dwp@maths.uq.oz.au Tue May 3 18:25 PDT 1994 From: Dean Podlich After hearing Steve played Limbo I'm extremely jealous!!! P.S. Not long to go now Deano From anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Tue May 3 21:37 PDT 1994 Reply-To: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Organization: Xymox UUCP System, Melbourne Australia From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Re: steve and margot tour Jonathan writes... > On Mon, 2 May 1994 213170596@UCIS.VILL.EDU wrote: > > I know I'm completely in the dark (I'm sorry, its been a REAL hard > > final semester) but where is this Steve Kilbey - Margot Smith tour taking > > place? It's not in the U.S. is it?? If so, I'm gonna go brush up on some > > I'm pretty sure he is off to the States right now. I just saw his last > Australian show on Saturday the 30th at the Continental Cafe in Melbourne. Steve may be off to the States but it won't be with Margot supporting. That was a Melbourne exclusive. :) She's got an album to write... > The show was totally BIZARRE! Steve is a complete tripper.. for a start > he walked out into the audience to watch the support act and hardly anyone I noticed. :-) I figured he'd be taking an interest... > Church stuff is really easy!.. it's all like G, C, D Am etc, and steve > LOVES F major 7... you can play about 60% of his songs with these chords! Don't forget E Flat Minor!!!!! :-) - Anthony -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au those herbal-tea moments." - Caroline Sullivan of The Guardian reviewing the new "Victoria Amos" album. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Wed May 4 10:03 PDT 1994 From: pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Subject: Re: steve and margot tour Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM About guitar tabs, as far as the ftp site goes, UTMW is the only song in there, but there are published guitar tab books for both Starfish and Gold Afternoon Fix, both put out by Cherry Lane, which may be of more use. Does anyone know of any earlier ones? I doubt they exist, but you never know. -paul From wimmer@anthro.utah.edu Wed May 4 10:37 PDT 1994 From: Matt Wimmer Subject: Kilbey in the states? Is the Kilbey/Margot tour really coming to the states? If so, does anyone have dates/places? I highly doubt he'd come anywhere near Utah, (my home state), but I would willingly drive to Denver or L.A. to see this tour. Thanks for any info. From mca4860@tamuts.tamu.edu Wed May 4 10:42 PDT 1994 From: mca4860@tamuts.tamu.edu (Mark C Ashton) Subject: lyrics for jack frost Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well while all you lucky ones are enjoying the margot and steve shows, some of us are still hoping for steve to make his way here to the states, if at all. I was wondering where the jack frost lyrics are on the ftp, and i hope the jack frost album will not be delayed also. And i like "Providence." Only 20 days left, mark From 213170596@UCIS.VILL.EDU Wed May 4 11:04 PDT 1994 From: 213170596@UCIS.VILL.EDU Subject: Church guitar easy? Yeah' 'tis true that a lotta Church sonds are just made up from the basic chord forms (E,G,Am,F,etc...) but there are plenty that aren't like that, and even the ones that are are played so exactly its like a machine was doin the strumming. Listen closely to the beginning of _Ripple_ and see if you can hear any true break between the chords where MWP's fingers are switching.... that's right, ya can't. So really, its not the overall difficulty of the parts, but the fact that they are played with the utmost precision. (well, at least the rythmn tracks..) Even though MWP was never noted for his technical knowledge , i.e. he has none. Really, though, its deceiving to learn the bass parts cause they never follow the guitar notes , or vice versa. And there's a lotta subtle shit going on in some of dem chords. Anyway, i gotta go, i just babbling.... later:::::: timB "Don't worry....we're in no hurry...... School's out.... what did you expect?" From dwohlfor@sisters.cs.uoregon.edu Wed May 4 12:16 PDT 1994 From: dwohlfor@sisters.cs.uoregon.edu Subject: Guitar Chords I don't know where (I think it may be the tab book for GAF), but MWP says that what he finds really beautiful is a progression of chords that sound almost exactly alike, but combined in some fashion they are an exquisite combination. But yeah, there is a lot of subtlety to the Church's songs. You can learn them fairly quickly, but to make them sound like the Church, well, that takes a lot of soul going into it. dave From mosk Wed May 4 12:59 PDT 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: Church guitar easy? > From 213170596@UCIS.VILL.EDU Wed May 4 11:04:24 1994 > > Really, though, its deceiving to learn the bass parts cause they never > follow the guitar notes , or vice versa. And there's a lotta subtle shit > going on in some of dem chords. Anyway, i gotta go, i just babbling.... > > later:::::: > timB I agree... Some of the Church songs are fairly simple chordwise (and some of the early leads are also reproduceable), but to make it actually sound like it does on the records is pretty hard. I think this is due to the fact that Steve, who is a fairly limited musician technically, wrote most of the songs. Marty and Pete then jammed over the basics and thereby they came up with the arrangement of the songs. A lot of the time that meant the bassline consisted of the basic chord progression, while Pete (and in later years especially) Marty were playing "on the outskirts" of the song.... If you listen to Steve's solo renditions of old Church songs, they are just basic chords and are almost unrecognizeable if it had not been for The Voice.... Even I can probably play them as well as he does, but I can't sing them that way (nor write all those exquisite tunes :) In regards to a upcoming Church / Steve tour in the US... Are they really playing in LA? If so, there may be a slight chance they will visit San Francisco too.... I'd love to see a S/M unplugged show.. :-) Have you heard any dates yet, Chris? -morten From /G=Brian/I=R/S=Seay/O=MAC/PRMD=ALCANET/ADMD=TELEMAIL/C=US/@alcatel.aud.alcatel.com Wed May 4 14:07 PDT 1994 From: Brian R Seay Subject: new member intro Ua-Content-Id: new member intro P1-Recipient: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Priority: normal Importance: normal Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text P1-Content-Type: P2 X-Body-Types: IA5-Text Subject: Time:2:29 PM OFFICE MEMO new member intro Date:5/4/94 Hi there. I am Brian Seay, a new member of this distribution. Short biographical info: I'm 23, a telecom systems engineer and homebrewer, and live near Dallas, Texas, USA. I first heard The Church thanks to the airplay that UTMW got back in 1988. I bought Starfish in '89, but it wasn't until June '91 that I bought Heyday (my favorite) and quickly thereafter bought every other Church CD I could find. After that, I listened to nothing but The Church for 20,000 miles in my car. "Aura", "Ripple", and "Lustre" still remind me of driving across North Dakota. Stark image, huh? The music fit perfectly with the black earth. Some favorite tunes: "Already Yesterday", "Myrrh", "Month of Sundays", "Disappear?", and "No Explanation". I've never seen Steve or The Church live, so please, please, please let me know if he or they are comming to Dallas. Where's that new Church album? I thought it was due out in March. From beneath the Texas Moon, Brian brian_r_seay@aud.alcatel.com From rhardack@violet.berkeley.edu Wed May 4 14:31 PDT 1994 From: rhardack@violet.berkeley.edu Sender: rhardack@violet.berkeley.edu Reply-To: rhardack@violet.berkeley.edu Subject: greeting Greetings---I'm a new member, just wanted to send the list a brief introduction. My name's Richard Hardack, I just finished my Ph.D. (egads) in English at Berkeley, so I'll probably only be at this address a few more months, then might be off-line over the summer, and then back on-line when teaching at Haverford college in PA next fall. I've enjoyed the Church for quite some time, since just after Remote Luxury came out in the states, got to see Marty in the east village some years ago, the group three times. I remember being particularly frustrated many years ago when I was in England and saw a copy of a Church video compilation but couldn't buy it since British tapes won't play on American VCR's (this was well before Goldfish). I'd certainly be interested in trading some of those import only items of the Church and various other groups (my tastes are fairly eclectic, from the reivers to Matthew Sweet; Of particular interest to trade with people on the list might be a Pink Champagne lp and a couple of singles (w/Ann carlberger and Karin jannson--a bit punky and sung in swedish, so not very churchlike, but fairly interesting--I like their later solo projects a lot), the church live at Maxwell's tape, MWP live at KCRW/SNAP, (the New York Buddah b-side--is this rare? Do people need copies of it?) Steve live in Santa Rosa, the interview w/three churchmembers lp, an extra copy of sing-songs on LP I could sell or trade, etc. Hope to see the clouds in SF in a few weeks. Anyway, I look forward to hearing from other people in the group; feel free to write also to Hardack, English Department, 322 Wheeler Hall, UC Berkeley, Berkeley, CA 94720. Thanks. From pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Wed May 4 15:30 PDT 1994 From: pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Subject: jack frost I replied to Mark's question about jack frost lyrics, but forgot to send a copy to the rest of you. I posted jack frost lyrics to ftp.uwp.edu a few months ago, but they have been very slow in uploading them, so they are just wasting away in another directory. If you want them get into ftp.uwp.edu and go to the directory: /pub/incoming/lyrics/Jack.Frost (caps are important) There is also some SK stuff that i put in there (/pub/incoming/lyrics/kil bey.steve) and my version of Priest=Aura (/pub/incoming/lyrics/church). -paul From rhardack@violet.berkeley.edu Wed May 4 16:35 PDT 1994 From: rhardack@violet.berkeley.edu Subject: greetings Greetings---I'm a new member, just wanted to send the list a brief introduction. My name's Richard Hardack, I just finished my Ph.D. (egads) in English at Berkeley, so I'll probably only be at this address a few more months, then might be off-line over the summer, and then back on-line when teaching at Haverford college in PA next fall. I've enjoyed the Church for quite some time, since just after Remote Luxury came out in the states, got to see Marty in the east village some years ago, the group three times. I remember being particularly frustrated many years ago when I was in England and saw a copy of a Church video compilation but couldn't buy it since British tapes won't play on American VCR's (this was well before Goldfish). I'd certainly be interested in trading some of those import only items of the Church and various other groups (my tastes are fairly eclectic, from the reivers to Matthew Sweet; Of particular interest to trade with people on the list might be a Pink Champagne lp and a couple of singles (w/Ann carlberger and Karin jannson--a bit punky and sung in swedish, so not very churchlike, but fairly interesting--I like their later solo projects a lot), the church live at Maxwell's tape, MWP live at KCRW/SNAP, (the New York Buddah b-side--is this rare? Do people need copies of it?) Steve live in Santa Rosa, the interview w/three churchmembers lp, an extra copy of sing-songs on LP I could sell or trade, etc. Hope to see the clouds in SF in a few weeks. Anyway, I look forward to hearing from other people in the group; feel free to write also to Hardack, English Department, 322 Wheeler Hall, UC Berkeley, Berkeley, CA 94720. Thanks. From pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Wed May 4 17:58 PDT 1994 From: pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Subject: jack frost This is now the 3rd time I've typed this......damn computers! I replied to Marks inquiry about Jack Frost lyrics but forgot to send a copy to the rest of you. I posted lyrics to the jack frost album a few months ago, but the people at ftp.uwp.edu seem to have stopped moving files from the incoming area to the main menus. So the file has been sitting in limbo for months now. Anyway, to get to it, get into ftp.uwp.edu and get into the directory: /pub/incoming/lyrics/Jack.Frost (include caps) There is also some SK stuff (.../kilbey.steve) and church as well (../church) that has been sitting around for a while. -paul From 213170596@UCIS.VILL.EDU Wed May 4 23:03 PDT 1994 From: 213170596@UCIS.VILL.EDU (timB) Subject: Joy I'd just like to say that this list is rapidly becoming my favorite subscription. Partly because there is nobody else i can get Church info from (besides my brother), and partly because the posts are worthwhile, fairly interesting, and on-topic. So give yerselves all pats on the back (esp. Morten). And post those American Kilbey tour dates if you get any!!!!! like one big happy family: timB "Don't worry....we're in no hurry... School's out......what did you expect??" From mrgreen@mame.mu.OZ.AU Thu May 5 09:15 PDT 1994 <9405032340.AA08337@axiom.maths.uq.oz.au> From: matthew green >After hearing Steve played Limbo I'm extremely jealous!!! mmmm, limbo. one of those songs thats had the magic "coolest song" for more than a week at a time. very few songs get that with me. actually, limbo was pretty cool. he sorta just stood up there strumming a chord now and then and speak/singing doze amazing lyrics... From mosk Thu May 5 09:32 PDT 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Limbo > From mrgreen@mame.mu.OZ.AU Thu May 5 09:14:41 1994 > > >After hearing Steve played Limbo I'm extremely jealous!!! > > mmmm, limbo. > > one of those songs thats had the magic "coolest song" for > more than a week at a time. very few songs get that with > me. > > actually, limbo was pretty cool. he sorta just stood up > there strumming a chord now and then and speak/singing > doze amazing lyrics... > Oh yeah, rub it in, won't you.... Geez, here I am sitting 10 000 miles away and all I get is to _read_ how great this show was... :-( Yeah, I know it was the greatest...and I know it was "brilliant"... (he he) And I know some of you even got to meet Margot _and_ Steve.... It just makes me sick!!! Hrrrmph.... Ok, now that that's out of the way, I have to say that I _loved_ all the posts with the deatils of the show, and from the posts I could vividly _see_ the whole performance and hear all of Steve's stops and pauses and interactions.... Great job to all who posted... (Where are the tapes??? :-) And thanks for saying hi to Margot from me... :-) And Anthony, I'm surprised you're wearing black (tsk, tsk...) The idea of a sign saying "Hi I'm a Church list member..." is not bad at all... :-) It would be even easier if you were all wearing a t-shirt with that on it, which is an idea I'm still looking into... And, even though I was thinking of flourescent lime-green as the background color, I may be able to get hold of a black shirt for Anthony.... :-) Keep up the good work, mates! -m (19 more days) From mosk Thu May 5 14:02 PDT 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: They're coming, they're coming..... Cc: madhouse94@aol.com Just got this message from Bill.... Messages like this sure makes it hard to do any work around here... :-) (Thanks Bill!!!!! :-) ----- Begin Included Message ----- From madhouse94@aol.com Thu May 5 13:27:45 1994 From: madhouse94@aol.com Subject: Re: Limbo Morten, I have some promotional dates that the band will be doing. Could you please pass this information along to The Church mailing list....I've lost the address to post to the list. Thanks! 5/23-24 NY 5/25 DC 5/26 Providence 5/27 Boston 5/28 Cleveland 5/29 Charleston 5/30 Atlanta 5/31 Memphis 6/2 St. Louis 6/3 Denver 6/5 San Fran. 6/6 Sacramento 6/8 Portland 6/9 Seattle 6/10 LA 6/12 San Diego 6/13 Phoenix 6/14 Las Vegas Also, there is a brand new 800# for The Church, which is (800) 659-2849. Please pass this along as well. These dates are tenative. Bill@Arista Madhouse94@aol.com ----- End Included Message ----- I dialed the 800 number and they play part of "2 places at once", saying that it will be their new single.... Do you have any track details, Bill??? btw, the list address is seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM The little snippet of the song sent shivers down my spine (ok, so it wasn't unexpected.. :). Sounded like Marty doing some angelic background vocals (a-la "Spirit Level") and Steve doing his best Bob Dylan imitation so far.... Can we fast-forward to the 24th please??? and...if I take a week's vacation I guess I can hit all the dates west of the Mississippi... :-) Thanks Bill! I didn't have any summer-vacation plans as of until about 5 minutes ago... :-) -morten From ckoontz@centerice.aud.alcatel.com Thu May 5 14:22 PDT 1994 From: ckoontz@centerice.aud.alcatel.com (Columbia Blue Carl) Subject: Re: They're coming, they're coming..... OK, I just called the hotline. I can't wait 19 more days. Any suggestions? Carl From dwp@maths.uq.oz.au Thu May 5 16:33 PDT 1994 From: Dean Podlich I can't believe they're touring overseas without doing Australia first. Now I'm totally jealous. Here are you guys in America complaining but you see them tour first!!! get the new album a week earlier (is that right???) what about us poor Australian's who don't live in Melb? From 917815@edna.cc.swin.edu.au Thu May 5 20:33 PDT 1994 From: Jonathan Michael Payling <917815@edna.cc.swin.edu.au> Subject: Re: They're coming, they're coming..... Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM On Thu, 5 May 1994, Columbia Blue Carl wrote: > OK, I just called the hotline. I can't wait 19 more days. Any suggestions? > > Carl You think you've got it bad?!? I have 4major assignments to do in the next 3 weeks!! arrrrrrrgggghhhhhhhhh!!!! At least the thought of a new Church album AND new Jack Frost keeps me going (just... :) Elkor. From dwohlfor@sisters.cs.uoregon.edu Fri May 6 09:49 PDT 1994 From: dwohlfor@sisters.cs.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: They're coming, they're coming..... Ah, after June 8th I can die a complete individual. Of course, theyu _would_ have to schedule the Portland performance smack dab in the middle of Finals week for me. But, my last final being completed at 3pm, coupled with the ability to load all my krap into my Dad's truck in about 15 minutes, and being only 2 hours from Portland shall be my saving grace. It's going to be real hard to study for a computer architecture final, a semantics final, and some other random final on Wed., but IT JUST DOESN'T MATTER!!!!! (can anyone tell I'm` excited?) dave PS: Morten and anyone else going to the Portland show - We should meet somewhere up there before/after the show! From vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu Fri May 6 10:18 PDT 1994 via MS.5.6.pcs17.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4c_411; From: Vernon H Harmon Bolt Backers list , Steelers Mailing List Subject: WWW info A number of people have written to me asking what the WWW is since I have created and posted about the Web pages I've made. The following is a passage that someone else wrote that should answer those questions. --Vernon, ...a nut for the Bolts ...your friendly neighborhood Steeler-man ...fan of the Church. (pick your favorite ;D) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Written By: Marty Ward, 860099w@dragon.acadiau.ca Edited by: Tom Galloway, tyg@valhalla.HQ.ileaf.com The WWW project started by CERN seeks to build a world wide distributed hypermedia system. With hypermedia, it's possible to "click on" an object to traverse a link to where more information about that object is located. To access the Web, you need a browser program. The browser can read hypertext documents and can access documents from other sources by traversing links and accessing files by ftp, (Usenet) news, gopher, and other methods. By selecting an object with a link, you can view text and, depending on your browser, possibly related sound and images as well. In order to start traversing the web, you need the name of a place, or page, in the WWW to go to using your browser. Locations in the WWW are called Uniform Resource Locators or URLs, which are a standard for specifying an object on the Internet, such as a file. They look like the following: gopher://gopher.internet.com/msdos/text/manual1 ftp://ftp.sun.com:1100/pub/games/trek http://info.cern.ch:80/start.html The first part, before the colon, specifies the access method, e.g. a gopher, ftp, or hypertext document (http). The second part is specific to the access method, and in general, two slashes after the colon indicate a machine name, e.g. gopher.internet.com. There are two main browsers; Mosaic and lynx. Mosaic is the more powerful of the two, and is how you can view images and hear sounds on your screen. However, this requires a fairly major Internet connection. If on a dialup connection or account, lynx is a browser which works with the text components of the web. In general, you should ask your local sysadmin about what WWW browser(s) your site has, and where to get more information about how to use them. However, the basics of using Mosaic are simple enough to include here. Mosaic will open as a window called "Document View". It will have four pull down menus to use: File, Options, Navigate, and Annotate. Under "File", select "Open URL" and type in the URL of the file you want to view. See below for some comics-related documents and their URLs. Under "Navigate" you can select "Add Current to Hotlist" to add the current file (document) to your hotlist. Then you can select "Hotlist" and select from a listing of all the documents that you have viewed and added, saving you from having to type in that URL each time you want to access it. For lynx, just type the command lynx, followed by the URL you want to connect to. If you need more help, a great newsgroup to post questions to is comp.infosystems.www From @PUCC.PRINCETON.EDU,@DUVM.OCS.DREXEL.EDU:SG938Q7H@DUVM.OCS.DREXEL.EDU Fri May 6 12:29 PDT 1994 From: susan zalenski Subject: not in Philadelphia..! So I see that there won't be any tour in Philadelphia! :( I would greatly apprecitate it if some *wonderful* church fan in New York (I know that there is someone in NY!) and in Wash D.C. Let me know ASAP 1) where the show is going to be and (2) what phone number I need to call for tickets. Of course, I will do a little of my own hunting, but a little help would be welcome. The anticipation is killing me :) Thanks, sue From rcr@u.washington.edu Fri May 6 13:29 PDT 1994 Fri, 6 May 94 13:29:40 -0700 From: Rhonda Corcoran Subject: WIN new CHURCH record b/f you can buy it!!!!!!!!!!! (fwd) Saw this on alt.music.alternative just today. Looks like it was put out on the 4th, but mayhap some kind person at Arista will take pity on a few humble/faithful followers. :) Rhonda > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Path: news.u.washington.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!ns1.nodak.edu!news.uoknor.edu!constellation!osuunx.ucc.okstate.edu!newsfeed.ksu.ksu.edu!moe.ksu.ksu.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.ans.net!hp81.prod.aol.net!search01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail > From: madhouse94@aol.com (MADHOUSE94) > Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative > Subject: WIN new CHURCH record b/f you can buy it!!!!!!!!!!! > Date: 4 May 1994 17:34:07 -0400 > Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) > Lines: 44 > Sender: news@search01.news.aol.com > Message-ID: <2q94cf$qf2@search01.news.aol.com> > NNTP-Posting-Host: search01.news.aol.com > > Win the new Church album, "Sometime Anywhere", before you can buy it!!! > > The new record will be released May 24th, in the U.S. There will be a bonus cd > available at retail as part of a two cd set, or one can purchase the bonus cd > by sending in a coupon which will be enclosed in the single cd/cassette/vinyl > releases. > > If you are one of the first ten people to name the last album released by The > Church, you will win an advance cassette of "Sometime Anywhere". (Please post > your name & mailing address as well.) > > The first video and single is "2 Places At Once". > > The new record contains the following songs: > Day of the Dead > Lost My Touch > Loveblind > My Little Problem > The Maven > Angelica > Lullaby > Eastern > 2 Places At Once > Business Woman > Authority > Fly Home > Dead Man's Dream > > The bonus cd will contain: > Drought > Time Being > Leave Your Clothes On > Cut In Two > Myths You Made > Freeze To Burn > Macabre Tavern > > Don't forget, the album will be in stores May 24th! > If anyone has any further questions or comments, please e-mail me; > madhouse94@aol.com > > Bill@Arista > > > > -- > Rhonda Corcoran Mail Stop: JF-18 > Physical Plant Phone: (206)685-4129 > University of Washington E-mail: rcr@u.washington.edu From n9282183@animal.cc.wwu.edu Fri May 6 14:47 PDT 1994 From: "Nicole B. Hall" Subject: Re: They're coming, they're coming..... Hey People, What number do I call or where do I go to get tickets (for the Seattle show)?! BTW I tried that 800 number and got through once, but now it just rings forever or I get a busy signal. What's going on? thanks, nicole n9282183@henson.cc.wwu.edu From mosk Fri May 6 16:15 PDT 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: They're coming, they're coming..... > From n9282183@animal.cc.wwu.edu Fri May 6 14:47:10 1994 > > Hey People, > > What number do I call or where do I go to get tickets (for the Seattle > show)?! BTW I tried that 800 number and got through once, but now it just > rings forever or I get a busy signal. What's going on? > > thanks, > nicole > n9282183@henson.cc.wwu.edu According to Bill@Arista, the number of calls to the Hotline has been overwhelming. I tried it last night and was not able to leave my address, due to their recording tape being filled up. I suggest you keep trying. They are obviously aware of the problem and are probably working on it. As for the show dates, remember Bill said that they are _tentative_ dates, which usually means no venue has been confirmed yet. Don't panic yet... :-) Is it me, or does it seem to you guys that Arista is showing a lot of interest in promoting them this time around??? Compared to the promotions of P=A that I'm aware of, it seems like they're doing a lot; hotline, giveaways, special releases, coupons, single(s), internet messages and even a US tour!!! Maybe it's because we're aware of it all via Bill, but I for one am somewhat impressed :-) It must mean we have a damn good product on our hands here... Maybe the Church finally will get their well deserved break.... Maybe they will become megastars... Maybe Steve will inherit Bono's sunglasses... Maybe they will do the "club scene" in Las Vegas..... Hmmmm.... -morten From tim@large.equinox.gen.nz Fri May 6 20:45 PDT 1994 From: tim@large.equinox.gen.nz (Tim Lucas) Subject: Church guitaring Since there has been a fair amount of discussion about guitaring and chords etc I thought I had better throw my bit in about it. I would have to say that one of my favourite passtimes is to grab a cold 6 pack and power-up my electric guitar and play along to a few Church CDs. I think Dave said even though getting the basic chords right was easy it was still hard getting that Church sound (or something that). I have found that by turning up the distortion on my amplifier to the point where it is starting to overdrive and using a chorus pedal to smooth out the sound I can imitate alot of the guitaring in most of the songs. This is probably due to the fact that this sort of sound can tend to blend into itself so when Marty and I are playing along together my mistakes are not too noticable. (I wonder if Marty would see it that way :-) Cheers, Tim. From bove@goethite.geo.cornell.edu Sat May 7 12:24 PDT 1994 From: "Dan Bove" Subject: happy humming hmm..., i finally got through to the 800 number and i noticed what sounds like marty humming at the beginning of the track. is that the first happy sounding humming thats been on any track since 'already yesterday'? was just playing heyday and i noticed... dan From gsa@panix.com Sun May 8 16:38 PDT 1994 From: Gary Assa Subject: dates ond things I know everyone must be thinking this, but no one seems to have been annoying enough to complain. About these tour dates. How can we confirm when they are confirmed? Can I call Arista? I left messages on the 800 number, but I don't think thet are going to have time to call anyone. Was this maybe a tease, and there are no dates? I know nothing bout these dates, but I think the NY dates would be at the Bottom Line, because in '88, that is where they played their NY promo Dates. They had 2 NY dates and 3 LA dates. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- * The first thing we do let's kill all the lawyers _Shakespeare * ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From rhardack@violet.berkeley.edu Sun May 8 21:33 PDT 1994 From: rhardack@violet.berkeley.edu Subject: Remindlessness Just a quick note to U.S. members: I think there's still a (used) lp copy of Kilbey's Remindlessness double lp (Red Eye) at a local store for $10; if anyone's interested, send me a note and I could pick it up and mail it to you for cost plus a buck or two for postage. (It's got a few extra songs left off the CD). Richard Hardack From pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Mon May 9 14:57 PDT 1994 From: pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Subject: shirt I know that there are much more important things going on right now, like confirming phantom tour dates and trying to get through to the 800 number, but talk of a t-shirt resurfaced recently, and I have an idea. A few years back, to use up a roll of film, I spread out my entire Church collection on my floor, stood on my bed, and took a picture of it. I actually came out looking pretty cool. Maybe some picture like that would look good on a shirt? If I remember correctly, there is a similar picture inside the "Asides and Besides" compilation. And there are planty of us out there with large enough collections to make a decent photo. -paul From gsa@panix.com Mon May 9 18:24 PDT 1994 From: Gary Assa Subject: looking for travel buddies I am in NY and am planning on going to the Providence and Boston shows. I am looking for anyone to accompany me 'cause I am not really into travelling that far all alone. I will if I have to, but rather not. Boston is a must, but Providence can be passed if no one can get off of work, like I am not be able to. Anyone, if you are within reach of NY, please feel free to join my entourage (which now consists of me). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- * The first thing we do let's kill all the lawyers _Shakespeare * ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From rfd@buclaa.bu.edu Tue May 10 07:08 PDT 1994 From: rfd@buclaa.bu.edu (Richard F. Delano) Subject: Re: shirt paul wrote: >...A few years back, to use up a roll of film, I spread out my > entire Church collection on my floor, stood on my bed, and took a > picture of it. I actually came out looking pretty cool. I've always thought a nice paisley t-shirt would be appropriate. Rich Boston Univ. From pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Tue May 10 08:28 PDT 1994 From: pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Subject: Re: shirt Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Thanks for the correction Rich :-) (although I _did_ look pretty cool as well) -paul From ckoontz@centerice.aud.alcatel.com Tue May 10 09:00 PDT 1994 From: ckoontz@centerice.aud.alcatel.com (Columbia Blue Carl) Subject: Humourous Church moments Everybody does things they look back and laugh at and can't believe it was really them that did it. Listening back through the years of music by The Church is no different. In order to occupy some more time during The Anticipation, I offer the five most humourous moments in the musical history of The Church: 1) "Slide" guitar solo in "Don't Open The Door To Strangers" - It's even funnier after the solo is over and (I assume) PK throws in licks during the last verse. Although the song is not that bad, I think this is a good example of why The Church doesn't make a living doing ballads. 2) Horns in the chorus of "Youth Worshipper" - As SK said about "Tantalized" : "Everybody seemed to like this at the time." I'm sure the same is true about "Night of Light" and "Youth Worshipper". I wish I had some sort of mixer to take out the horns in the chorus of "Youth Worshipper". Quite pretentious. 3) "Soft" vocals in "Grind" - SK has a wonderful voice but it is hilarious listening to him sing softly with just the piano. 4) Chorus of "The Disillusionist" - Everybody seems to love it or hate it. Most of the time I simply find it amusing. 5) Vocoder in "Maybe These Boys" - I actually like this song and don't skip it as often as I'm sure many people do. When the Vocoder starts up near the end, however, it is usually hard to keep a straight face about the song. Choosing the funniest video moment is easy. Near the beginning of "Tear It All Away" when they make the transition from the animated church stuff to the band and the video goes from the silhouette of the statue with its eyes closed to Steve in the same pose is guaranteed to make you roll on the floor everytime. Only 15 more days... Carl From mosk Tue May 10 09:07 PDT 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: New album review..... Since we're all waiting for the arrival of the 24th of May, I thought I'd wet your appetites with this review that someone (who is not on our list) sent me this morning.... **sigh** -m From TAOBERLY@delphi.com Mon May 9 23:04:54 1994 BTW, have you heard any of the new Church songs? I was at the local indie record store last Friday, and the manager (remembering me ordering "Of Skins and Heart" a few months ago) let me borrow a *promo tape copy* of "Sometime, Anywhere" that was given to him by an Arista representative!!! It contains 13 tracks ("Day of the Dead" through "Dead Man's Dream"), along with a promo insert with a Church history and some insights into the recording of the album. I can type-up the text if you're interested. Oh, and the matrix number is ACP-8727. So what do I think of it? Keeping in mind that I don't have a complete Church collection, I'm going to say that it harkens back to some of their earlier material, while at the same time incorporating some new styles. Unlike "Priest=Aura" this album isn't very heavy and brooding at all...even with titles like "Day Of The Dead" I'd call it quite upbeat, simple, and certainly more accessible. The "new styles" include some spoken word lyrics, some electronic backbeats (kind of like that U2 song on "Zooropa" done by The Edge?), and a "duet" between Steve and Marty (on "2 Places At Once"). The first side is excellent and quite catchy. The only song I didn't take to at first was "The Maven", which instantly reminded me of "The Disillu- sionist". On later listens, it meshed together with the other songs. The second side is much softer, with the exception of "Business Woman" which is a catchy little pop song that kinda reminds me of the stuff on "Skins and Heart", but that's just my opinion. "Eastern" is an instrumental, which disappointed me at first because I liked the music, but kept thinking I would like it more if there were lyrics. As I said before, "2 Places At Once" is a duet between Steve and Marty. The liner notes said they recorded the music first, then went away and wrote separate lyrics. You might guess that it's a very off-the-wall song, and you'd be right. It will take time to grow on me. Yes, I quite like the album. They've struck a pretty good mix of art and accessibility, seriousness and fun. Cheers, Todd From powell@Kodak.COM Tue May 10 09:29 PDT 1994 Reply-To: powell@Kodak.COM From: powell@Kodak.COM (Richard W. Powell ESD) Cc: I118271@Kodak.COM Subject: A Quick Smoke >From: powell@kodak.com Subject: A Quick Smoke Another topic to pass the time.... ...I'd like to push a question out to the seance-group: I'm curious as to the origins of some of the songs on the 1991 Church disk - "A Quick Smoke At Spots (Archives 1986-1990)". Most of the songs had appeared on b-sides between 1988-90. Are the rest from around 1986-87 (Heyday out-takes?)??? Texas Moon (1988, Starfish Ep) Perfect Child (1988, Starfish Ep) Much Too Much (1990, Metropolis CD5) Take It Back (1990, Terra Nova Cain CD5) Desert (1990, Russian Autumn Heart CD5) We Both Know Why You're Here (?) Frozen And Distant (1988, Starfish Ep) Forgotten Reign (?) Anna Miranda (1988, Starfish Ep) Hunter (1990, Russian Autumn Heart CD5) Dream (?) Ride Into The Sunset (1990, Russian Autumn Heart CD5) You Got Off Light (?) Nose Dive (?) The Feast (1990, Russian Autumn Heart CD5) Afterlife (?) > from Morton : > I believe most of these are out-takes, mostly from the period between > Heyday and Starfish... I have wondered about their origin too, as > it doesn't seem that they were released on b-sides anywhere either... Any other insight out there?? - thanks, Dick (powell@kodak.com) From wimmer@anthro.utah.edu Tue May 10 13:46 PDT 1994 From: Matt Wimmer Sender: Matt Wimmer Reply-To: Matt Wimmer Subject: Re: Humourous Church moments Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Actually, about half of this I didn't think was really funny-- I think it strikes people differently. Ok, the chorus of disillusionist is a given--- the sea chanty of "they say that he's famous from the waist down" is just way too much. I kinda like the horns in youth worshipper though, and anytime the church whip out the slide guitar I'm like "Cool!" One other humorous moment though- at least to me, anyway- on fall in love when steve says "they spent their days in sophistry and idle banter" I always have to laugh. If anybody listens to Swans, they have an even better line-- "I open the door, and there they lie, twisted and misshapen, they suffer for love..." The vocoder in maybe these boys-- ok, yeah. I also am one of the few people that really like that song, but when that comes on you have to think of that really bad early eighties song that had a robot voice going "report to the dance floor". What was that anyway? From BSmith@VCOMTELC.TELECOM.com.au Tue May 10 18:02 PDT 1994 From: "Smith, Brian" Cc: Church Subject: RE: A Quick Smoke > Nose Dive (?) This was recorded as a demo for some record company. I think they did four songs, and the collection was called "A Horse Of A Different Colour", or something along those lines. Brian From oyvindst@ifi.uio.no Tue May 10 19:51 PDT 1994 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=D8yvind_Stavseth?= Subject: Review of "Sometime Anywhere" Hullo folks, I came across a review of our favorite band's forthcoming platter in the Norwegian music magazine "Beat", and here is my crude translation for you to drool over... The Church "SOMETIME ANYWHERE" (Arista/BMG) BBBB (That is four B's of a top score of six) And then they were two. All that is left of The Church is Steve Kilbey and Marty Willson-Piper. But some sorry rests they're not. "Sometime Anywhere" is an appealing record, in the same "sweetish lump-in-throat" landscape as The House of Love and James. However, there's no reason for an enthusiastic "boing boing!". To that, "Sometime Anywhere" simply isn't varied and surprising enough. But it's good pop nonetheless. --Hege Ulstein (To be released 23th of May) Hmmm, what can I say? I guess I won't trust anything but my own ears... Until then! -Oyvind From tim@large.equinox.gen.nz Wed May 11 02:15 PDT 1994 From: tim@large.equinox.gen.nz (Tim lucas) Subject: Re:New album review..... After reading the review I can quite safely say that I like it already. I'me sure the boys won't let us down! -Tim From mosk Wed May 11 08:06 PDT 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Sometime.Anywhere.promo More mail from Todd, this time it's the info-sheet from the promo cassette. Enjoy! -m From TAOBERLY@delphi.com Tue May 10 22:47:39 1994 T H E C H U R C H S O M E T I M E A N Y W H E R E 'Sometime Anywhere'. In this instance, these two words are combined to create an elusive and spiritual idea. Any actual interpretation as to the meaning is left to the listener. But, regardless of what that might be, one is left with the feeling that they have experienced something special. The same can be said about the relationship between Steve Kilbey and Marty Willson-Piper, two musicians who together create something special. For almost fourteen years they have been the musical core of The Church. Now that Peter Koppes has left the band to pursue his own musical interests, it has come down to Steve and Marty reaching deeper into themselves to create the newest Church album. It has been the chemistry between Kilbey and Willson-Piper that has created the essence and sound of The Church which is explored and expanded on 'Sometime Anywhere'. Their recorded history began in 1981 with the release of 'Of Skins And Heart'. Since then they have released seven other albums: 'The Blurred Crusade', 'Seance', 'Remote Luxury', 'Heyday', 'Starfish', 'Gold Afternoon Fix', and 'Priest=Aura'. Once labeled an "up and coming alternative Australian band," The Church gained a cult following with their first five releases but it was the release of 'Starfish' in 1988 on Arista that gained them a widespread audience. The album featured the beautiful hit song "Under Thw Milky Way" and "Reptile." A major U.S. tour followed and the band found their popularity here in the States growing. Two years later they followed up with 'Gold Afternoon Fix', which featured "Metropolis" and "You're Still Beautiful." The album and tour once again brought the spotlight back onto the group. The press compared them to the likes of The Beatles, Pink Floyd and Dire Straits since they had achieved success without having to compromise their music. "I feel that it's really important to just write songs without worrying whether it's going to be a hit or not," Willson-Piper stated. "As a musician you should write music to please yourself and if you write a great song then maybe you'll have a hit. And that was the case with 'Under The Milky Way.'" 1992's 'Priest=Aura' featured the brilliant single "Ripple." The album showcased Kilbey's passionate vocals with Willson-Piper's amazing guitar work and was well received by long-time Church fans and the critics. However, at the end of their Australian tour, Peter Koppes told Kilbey and Willson-Piper he would be leaving. "We weren't sure if the band was going to exist anymore," Willson-Piper said. "I figured we would just know if and when the time was right to get back into the studio." In mid-1993, Willson-Piper left his home in Stockholm, Sweden to join up with Steve Kilbey as his home in Sydney, Australia to begin working on what would become 'Sometime Anywhere'. When the two of them came together to start writing songs for the album, they weren't sure what they were going to come up with. "Originally we were worried about the chemistry being different after all that time together as a four-man band; so we just started messing about together in the studio," Willson-Piper stated. The first song they came up with was "Lost My Touch." "Once we recorded that, we knew everything was going to fall into place." Willson-Piper explains how the atmosphere in the studio was unlike how it had ever been before. "The role-playing that used to be a part of the band was gone. Steve and I could just create something and not worry about what everyone's role in the songwriting process would be. We would just play directly onto tape and see how it came out. Many of the songs on the album were first takes." Kilbey and Willson-Piper also began to experiment by switching instruments around. "On some tracks I would play bass and Steve would play guitar or piano or whatever. I couldn't even tell you who played what on many of the tracks. It helped bring many new ideas and expanded our songwriting." Under this relaxed atmosphere, songs like "My Little Problem" and "Lullaby" were written and recorded. 'Sometime Anywhere' has something no other Church record has ever had. The song "2 Places At Once" is a duet between Kilbey and Willson-Piper. "The way that song came about is interesting. Steve and I jammed the song onto tape then went away and wrote separate lyrics to the song. Each of us didn't know what the other was writing and it turned out we had different ideas about what the song we had written was about. The great thing about it, I thought, is that the lyrics really work together very well. It comes across almost like I'm singing from Venus and Steve is singing from Mars. Two different personalities combining their strengths to create something quite unique." Two other tracks that highlight the album are "The Maven" and "Loveblind." "The Maven" captures Willson-Piper's guitar playing at his best, showing his ability to create dominating chaotic guitar structures. While Kilbey's vocals on "Loveblind" are as powerful and passionate as they have ever been, the two of them also explore different shades of music on tracks like "Angelica" and "Eastern." They successfully combine their own sound with different musical styles to create a fascinating blend. Steve Kilbey and Marty Willson-Piper have come together again to create a new meaning for The Church. It is something to be experienced. Sometime anywhere.... (text copyright 1994 Arista Records, Inc. most everthing in ''s is bold type.) From rfd@buclaa.bu.edu Wed May 11 12:18 PDT 1994 From: rfd@buclaa.bu.edu (Richard F. Delano) Subject: Tours/drummers Just a few questions that probably have no answers right now, but I'll ask anyway :P - Does anyone know what the story is with Jay Dee Daugherty? Why is he not still with the band? Anyone know anything about Tim Powles (other than what SK has told us)? - Anyone (Bill?) know if the upcoming promo tour is just SK and MWP doing acoustic shows or will Tim come along? Here's an easy question that does have an answer. - What kind of tour did the Church do for P=A? I can't recall them playing in the Boston area, but perhaps I somehow missed it (yikes!). Rich Boston Univ. (who's seen both SK and MWP, but never on the same stage :( ) From mosk Wed May 11 12:31 PDT 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Promo-sheet Reading through the promo-sheet, there's one sentence that doesn't gel: > 1992's 'Priest=Aura' featured the brilliant single "Ripple." If Arista thought it was such a "brilliant" single, why did they not release it in the States??? The only release of the song in the US was a promo disc. Bill, would you care to explain??? -morten From mosk Wed May 11 12:35 PDT 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: Tours/drummers > From rfd@buclaa.bu.edu Wed May 11 12:17:56 1994 > > Here's an easy question that does have an answer. > > - What kind of tour did the Church do for P=A? I can't recall them playing > in the Boston area, but perhaps I somehow missed it (yikes!). > > Rich > Boston Univ. > (who's seen both SK and MWP, but never on the same stage :( ) > They didn't. The only tour they did for P=A was in Australia. It was during this tour Pete left. The last US tour was the GAF tour... And I didn't buy a T-shirt... :-( -m From mosk Wed May 11 12:47 PDT 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: Review of "Sometime Anywhere" > From oyvindst@ifi.uio.no Tue May 10 19:51:44 1994 > > Hullo folks, > > I came across a review of our favorite band's forthcoming > platter in the Norwegian music magazine "Beat", and here > is my crude translation for you to drool over... Hmmm... It's been a few years since I've read Beat (and Puls), but I thought they had at least one or two writers that were very much into the Church? It doesn't sound like Hege has listened very much to the album.... Comparing the Church to James?? Puh-leese! Although House Of Love may not be a bad comparison, when their "Shine-On" single came out around the same time as GAF, I was convinced it was the Church's new single. I will definetely make my own ears make the decision... :-) From kallista@netcom.com Wed May 11 13:16 PDT 1994 From: kallista@netcom.com (Christopher Barrus) Subject: Re: Review of "Sometime Anywhere" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Morten says... > James?? Puh-leese! Although House Of Love may not be a bad > comparison, when their "Shine-On" single came out around the > same time as GAF, I was convinced it was the Church's new single. I know what you mean of the comparison with House Of Love. For weeks I was very confused whenever I heard HOL's "I Don't Know Why I Love You." The intro to that song sounds identical to something that The Church would do. Chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Chris Barrus - kallista@netcom.com "Sacred cows make the best hamburger" - Abbie Hoffman '72 Buick Riviera - Peace through superior automotive power! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From rfd@buclaa.bu.edu Wed May 11 14:12 PDT 1994 From: rfd@buclaa.bu.edu (Richard F. Delano) Subject: Re: Promo-sheet The promo-sheet said (well, had written on it): > 1992's 'Priest=Aura' featured the brilliant single "Ripple." Morten responded (to us, not the sheet): > If Arista thought it was such a "brilliant" single, why did they > not release it in the States??? The only release of the song in > the US was a promo disc. Bill, would you care to explain??? I second that. Where was any of the promotion for the album? Up until then, they were promoted pretty well I thought. But for some reason, P=A always seemed to me to be just kind of thrown onto shelves with no fanfare. A single would have been nice. I'll always be grateful to Arista, however, for releasing all of the pre-'Starfish' albums in the US (where were the bonus tracks, though?) Having seen a few import "best of's.." (Conception, Hindsight), I've always wondered if it wouldn't be a good idea for an actual US release of a "Best of The Church" type thing. Just a thought. Perhaps it would be a helpful tool in promoting the band. I'm not sure how well those kinds of things sell though. Oh well, then how about just releasing 'Sing Songs' on CD with "Bus Driver" as a bonus track? :) Rich Boston Univ. 13 days - Sometime Anywhere 16 days - LIVE in BOSTON!!! that leaves 3 days to memorize the album! From pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Wed May 11 14:56 PDT 1994 From: pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Subject: RE: A Quick Smoke Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM The "Horse of a different color" album was actually a Dutch conpilation album, promo only I think, that contained "Nose Dive". paul From djbarnard@ucdavis.edu Wed May 11 15:14 PDT 1994 From: "David J. Barnard" Sender: "David J. Barnard" Reply-To: "David J. Barnard" Subject: Confirmation Of CONCERT FOR ALL THE SKEPTICS who have been wondering if Bill's dates were accurate, I've found at least the JUNE 6 Sacramento date is! My friend just called me to tell me he heard on the radio (KWOD 106.5) that The Church will be playing at KWOD Fest at Sac State on June 6. There'll be other bands, including The Violent Femmes... tickets go on sale at BASS Outlets Saturday (at least that's what KWOD told me when I called them). Now if I can only find out about the Sacramento Date! David Barnard Davis, California djbarnard@othello.ucdavis.edu From jsalfonso@ucdavis.edu Wed May 11 15:34 PDT 1994 From: jsalfonso@ucdavis.edu Subject: sacramento concert well, this just in... the local radio station here is having a concert "kwodfest" on june 6th featuring the violent femmes, eve's plum, and.. well, the church too *frantically runs to get tickets* take care joe ---------- ez014714@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu From gsa@panix.com Wed May 11 16:01 PDT 1994 From: Gary Assa Subject: bad news for concert enthusisasts I called Arista records today, since no posts were made here. Bad news: No NY dates, no DC dates, no Providence date, and the Boston show is not on as of right now. The only date on the east coast, they said, was in Cleveland. I don't know who considers Cleveland the East Coast. After all, they are in the Cnetral division in baseball. anyway, it looks like only the shows that are planned for outdoors will be going on. One good piece of info is that they will be back in August for an "electirc" tour. So, you heard it here first, from some scrub fan rather than the Church promo department at Arista. It seems they are using the same enthusiasm as always. Sorry. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- * The first thing we do let's kill all the lawyers _Shakespeare * ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Wed May 11 16:43 PDT 1994 From: pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Subject: promotion Regarding promotion for p=a, I remember getting a mailing a week or 2 before the album came out, saying when it was due for release, and that "Ripple" would be the single. The mailing came from Arista, and I think the old fan club had some connection to it too. The mailing also asked everyone to call their radio stations to request "Ripple", and gave you a coupon for a poster if you sent in the bar code from the cd longbox. I think that was all the promotion I ever saw, except for glimpsing the "Ripple" video on MTV 120 minutes once (and never seeing it again). It's good to see that a little more effort may be underway this time. paul From /G=Brian/I=R/S=Seay/O=MAC/PRMD=ALCANET/ADMD=TELEMAIL/C=US/@alcatel.aud.alcatel.com Wed May 11 17:06 PDT 1994 From: Brian R Seay Subject: wish list Ua-Content-Id: wish list P1-Recipient: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Priority: normal Importance: normal Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text P1-Content-Type: P2 X-Body-Types: IA5-Text Subject: Time:3:37 PM OFFICE MEMO wish list Date:5/11/94 >Oh well, then how about just releasing 'Sing Songs' on CD with "Bus >Driver" as a bonus track? :) The ideal list for another AQSAS-type album, IMHO (although I've never actually heard any of these), would be: Busdriver A Different Man Ancient History In This Room I Am a Rock Warm Spell Musk Unsubstantiated Nightmare Fog Just release this, AQSAS, and Hindsight in the States, (and have Steve and Marty perform anywhere near Dallas, sometime). What a perfect world it would be. Brian From mrgreen@mame.mu.OZ.AU Wed May 11 18:20 PDT 1994 Subject: Re: promotion <199405112242.PAA14248@si.UCSC.EDU> From: matthew green >I think that was all the promotion I ever saw, except for glimpsing the >"Ripple" video on MTV 120 minutes once (and never seeing it again). It's man, thats so ripped off. the ripple video is brilliant. it's in my top 3 favourite video's of all time. missin' out on the tour was also a bad thing. From mst4@columbia.edu Wed May 11 20:48 PDT 1994 From: Matthew S Trokenheim Subject: the list I just heard about The Church mailing list. Please add me to it. From anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Thu May 12 06:34 PDT 1994 Reply-To: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Organization: Xymox UUCP System, Melbourne Australia From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Re: Review of "Sometime Anywhere" Oyvind reports: > I came across a review of our favorite band's forthcoming > platter in the Norwegian music magazine "Beat", "Beat"? We have a sister mag! Neat. :-) - Anthony (your friendly journalist for the 8 year-old Melbourne version :) -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au those herbal-tea moments." - Caroline Sullivan of The Guardian reviewing the new "Victoria Amos" album. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Thu May 12 06:35 PDT 1994 Reply-To: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Organization: Xymox UUCP System, Melbourne Australia From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Re: Humourous Church moments Matt asks: > ok, yeah. I also am one of the few people that really like that song, > but when that comes on you have to think of that really bad early > eighties song that had a robot voice going "report to the dance floor". > What was that anyway? "Underneath The Radar" by Underworld, from 1988. Not quite *early* 80's... :) - Anthony (your friendly music historian :-) -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au those herbal-tea moments." - Caroline Sullivan of The Guardian reviewing the new "Victoria Amos" album. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From @PUCC.PRINCETON.EDU,@DUVM.OCS.DREXEL.EDU:SG938Q7H@DUVM.OCS.DREXEL.EDU Thu May 12 08:51 PDT 1994 From: Susan Zalenski Subject: House of Love/ Church comparison I find the Church/House of Love comparison personally interesting. You see, one of my OTHER favorite bands is the House of Love :) A year ago or so, I wanted a friend of mine to listen to House of Love, because I thought that she may like it. She (knowing that I am a Church fan) said: "This sounds exactly like something you would like. In fact, it sounds like the Church. Everything you like sounds the same." I took offense to that last remark and refused to believe that the House of Love and the Church are remotely alike. I attributed that remark to her untrained ear. (I guess they do sound kind of similar. *sigh*) Susan From 74214.2445@CompuServe.COM Thu May 12 09:59 PDT 1994 From: Bill Wilson <74214.2445@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Dates As you all know, Steve Kilbey and Marty Willson Piper from The Church will be perfroming promotional acoustic shows in May and June. The following is all of the specific information currently available. I will update you as new information becomes available. 5/23-24 New York (Press) 5/25 Washington DC (Outdoor lunch show at Faragaut Square WHFS) 5/26 Providence (Lupo's 7pm WBRU) 5/27 Boston (Local 186 TBA, WFNX) 5/28 Cleveland (WENZ Anniversary Show) 5/29 Charleston WAVF 5/30 Atalnta 99X taping 5/31 Memphis 96X 6/2 St. Louis KPNT 6/3 Denver KTCL Music Link 6/4 Denver KTCL show in afternoon 6/5 San Francisco KFOG 6/6 Sacramento show at State Campus 6/7 Seattle KNND 6/8 Portland KBBT 6/9 Salt Lake City (TENTATIVE) 6/10 Los Angeles (Press) 6/12 San Diego 91X Sun Fest 3:45pm 6/13 Phoenix (TENTATIVE) 6/14 Las Vegas KEDG Bill@Arista (Madhouse94@aol.com) From powell@Kodak.COM Thu May 12 10:03 PDT 1994 Reply-To: powell@Kodak.COM From: powell@Kodak.COM (Richard W. Powell ESD) Cc: I118271@Kodak.COM Subject: House of Love Stuff I had never thought about any similarities between The Church & The House..., but anyone I can think of either likes 'em both -OR- doesn't like either (or doesn't know either !!!). I saw the band in a bar a few years ago, right after their "A Spy In The House of Love" Album. That was one of the best shows I've seen in years. I got the impression that the key person in that band was the lead vocalist/guitar player. About a month ago, A radio DJ here (Rochester, NY) reported that 'The House of Love' had split up. I guess I consider it a rumor, since I haven't read or heard it anywhere else. I vaguely recall the DJ saying that their drummer had decided to retire, and that the remaining members decided not to continue as "The House of Love". - Dick (powell@kodak.com) From gsa@panix.com Thu May 12 16:44 PDT 1994 From: Gary Assa Subject: dates and prunes I called Arista again today. They won't give me the name and number fo the Management company, so I can't get any more info than what they will tell us. Anyway, now that there are no dates in my area, I was looking on going to Cleveland. Airline roundtrip from NY is only $124, but I am not sure that any of these dates (with the exception of Sacramento) is open to the public. They look like radio shows an press=only shows. Can someone please confirm this? Also, it goes without saying, but when the august tour dates get solidified, can someone please post the whole list here? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- * The first thing we do let's kill all the lawyers _Shakespeare * ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From wimmer@anthro.utah.edu Thu May 12 17:15 PDT 1994 From: Matt Wimmer Subject: please please please let me get what I want... Please let the tentative Salt Lake City date be confirmed soon! The church in Utah? Hasn't happened since the Peter Murphy/Church tour, and I thought it wouldnt ever again. Otherwise, the only place to see them is heaven or Las Vegas... From mosk Thu May 12 19:43 PDT 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: Dates > From 74214.2445@CompuServe.COM Thu May 12 09:59:13 1994 > > 6/5 San Francisco KFOG > > Bill@Arista (Madhouse94@aol.com) > Bill, Please tell me this is not true! KFOG??? That's a so-called "classic rock" station, where they play old dinosaur music like Boston, Led Zeppelin and the Doors... Who the hell decided the Church (and acoustic, nonetheless) would fit in there??? Sheesh! I assume that should be KITS (a.k.a LIVE105) ? They have at least _played_ Church records earlier.... Or do you guys need a Church PR man for the SF Bay Area??? I'll be happy to help out! :-) -morten From djbarnard@ucdavis.edu Fri May 13 02:13 PDT 1994 From: "David J. Barnard" Subject: Re: Dates Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM On Thu, 12 May 1994, Morten Skjefte wrote: > Please tell me this is not true! KFOG??? That's a so-called > "classic rock" station, where they play old dinosaur music like > Boston, Led Zeppelin and the Doors... Who the hell decided the > Church (and acoustic, nonetheless) would fit in there??? Sheesh! > > I assume that should be KITS (a.k.a LIVE105) ? > They have at least _played_ Church records earlier.... > > Or do you guys need a Church PR man for the SF Bay Area??? > I'll be happy to help out! :-) Bill & Morton-- I called KFOG's Promo Dept. today and they didn't know anything about the concert... AND, I agree Live 105 would've been the MORE APPROPRIATE choice-- in fact, I called them first to see if they were associated with the concert. HEY! Back when P=A first came out, I heard on KWOD 106.5 (Sacramento, CA) a in-studio radio show with The Church. I kept driving about 30 minutes passed my destination so I could continue to listen to it. It must've been some promo-gig because they interviewed them and played an accustic version of "Ripple" and some other songs. I'm positive it wasn't originated at my radio station... did anyone have the presence of mind to tape this? I'd love to just hear it again. Can't count the days-- I'd be too stressful, Dave Davis, California djbarnard@othello.ucdavis.edu From bc629@roo.INS.CWRU.Edu Fri May 13 06:00 PDT 1994 From: bc629@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Wright) Subject: Church in Cleveland Reply-To: bc629@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Wright) The Cleveland date 5/28 is at the third anniversary part for WENZ, the local comalt station. It's at Nautica Stage, an outdoor facility in the Flats (just west of downtown). Tickets are $7 + the usual service charges. There are about six or seven bands playing -- Live are the headliners -- the only other band besides the Church that I remembered (i.e., cared if I saw) was Grant Lee Buffalo. Steve and Marty are listed as second on the bill (that's second from the beginning) -- the show starts at either 2:30 or 3:00 PM, so they should be finshed up pretty early. If anyone wants more info as to the complete bill or on transportation/directions, e-mail me. . . -- Jeff Wright *** bc629@cleveland.freenet.edu ***** 'We need to improve our on-base percentage, but we can't do it by drawing more walks.' -- Lou Piniella From kallista@netcom.com Fri May 13 09:19 PDT 1994 From: kallista@netcom.com (Christopher Barrus) Subject: Big Church ad in current Alternative Press Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As a FYI to everyone, there is a full-page ad for _Sometime Anywhere_ on the inside cover to the current Alternative Press (the one with Kurt Cobain on the cover). Nice to see Arista finally do some promotion... Chris (P.S. Are these messages actually getting through? I'm so used to mailing list programs that reflect the posters message back to the poster) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Chris Barrus - kallista@netcom.com "Sacred cows make the best hamburger" - Abbie Hoffman '72 Buick Riviera - Peace through superior automotive power! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu Fri May 13 10:04 PDT 1994 via MS.5.6.pcs21.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4c_411; From: Vernon H Harmon Subject: Re: Big Church ad in current Alternative Press >(P.S. Are these messages actually getting through? I'm so used to >mailing list programs that reflect the posters message back to the >poster) Aha! Finally somebody else who has the same problem as me! I also do not see the messages I send to the list, but Morten told me I was the only one who has that problem. --Vernon. OBChurch: I've been listening to all my Church CDs the last couple of days and I still can't quite get into Starfish. It just doesn't seem to have that *edge* that the other Church albums do. Maybe it's just me (it sure seems like it!). From pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Fri May 13 11:29 PDT 1994 From: pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Jeff Wright wrote about the cleveland show: Subject: Here We Go... The End (KNDD) is about to play the new Church song sometime this hour. Tape recorder is ready (fresh batteries/clean tape) and so am I. And to boot, if i'm the seventh caller when it's played, I win the new disc (oh please oh please oh please). Rhonda From brenta@microsoft.com Fri May 13 12:49 PDT 1994 X-Msmail-Message-Id: 43472C1F X-Msmail-Conversation-Id: 43472C1F X-Msmail-Wiseremark: These pretzels are making me thirsty From: Brent Aliverti Subject: RE: Here We Go... The new song they played was "Two Places at Once"....really nice, BTW. Both TPAO and "Loveblind" are on the latest Album Network (promo) disk. So which one is the first single? Brent (from lower Queen Anne :-) ---------- From: Rhonda Corcoran Subject: Here We Go... The End (KNDD) is about to play the new Church song sometime this hour. Tape recorder is ready (fresh batteries/clean tape) and so am I. And to boot, if i'm the seventh caller when it's played, I win the new disc (oh please oh please oh please). Rhonda From djbarnard@ucdavis.edu Fri May 13 13:19 PDT 1994 From: "David J. Barnard" Subject: 2 places at once! Well, I heard it... I woke up after a long night, and my radio station in Sac played "2 places at once" during their All-Request Lunch Hour. Does this mean someone else requested it?? I'd be happy. Also, I personally heard the ad for the concert... tickets are $15 for three bands on a Monday night. I like that. It's nothing like the deal in OHIO but HEY I'm not complaining. I'm going to try to DAT it... we'll see... I'll rent the equipment if I can't convince someone to buy it... All seats are General Admission so my entourage is going to be plowing to the front pretty damn quickly... I wonder if it'd be too much to sneak in a video camera? Anyone ever try this? Suggestions... "2 places at once" reminds me of some of the slower songs on "Seance" but not really... the Chorus is something similar to things off of "Under The Milkey Way." Those are my first impressions! I liked it. I'll be trying to request it is as often as possible so they know there are fans! Great to hear the new sound, Dave David Barnard Davis, California djbarnard@ucdavis.edu From rcr@u.washington.edu Fri May 13 13:35 PDT 1994 Fri, 13 May 94 13:03:54 -0700 From: Rhonda Corcoran Subject: Two Places At Once Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM The song is great. I liked the strings alot. In my haste to call in, I forgot to turn the recorder on until two phrases into the song...ACK! I like Marty's voice a lot, but I wouldn't have minded if just Steve sang. > Both TPAO and "Loveblind" are on the latest Album Network (promo) disk. I haven't heard of this. Where'd you find it? Rhonda (from Fremont :) From /G=Brian/I=R/S=Seay/O=MAC/PRMD=ALCANET/ADMD=TELEMAIL/C=US/@alcatel.aud.alcatel.com Fri May 13 18:04 PDT 1994 From: Brian R Seay Subject: SA promo Ua-Content-Id: SA promo P1-Recipient: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Priority: normal Importance: normal Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text P1-Content-Type: P2 X-Body-Types: IA5-Text Subject: Time:6:55 PM OFFICE MEMO SA promo Date:5/13/94 Now it feels real, like its actually comming... Just saw what looked like a post card at Bill's in Dallas. It said "Sometime Anywhere is almost here". It had a picture of two people on it who kind of resembled Steve and Marty. I haven't seen a picture of either in two years. Did Steve shave and get a hair cut? Oh well, enough wasted bandwidth for one Friday night. Brian From gsa@panix.com Sun May 15 16:55 PDT 1994 From: Gary Assa Subject: cleveland and boston I need more info on these dates. I have a hotel room in boston already, but i can't seem to find out where they are playing, and if it is open to the public. If it is a radio staion event, just tell the radio station, and I will call them. As for Cleveland, if I cannot go to Boston, I will go to Cleveland. But same thing here. Although I know this is open to the public, I need to know how far from the airport it is. Is it really Cleveland, or some suburb? Why doesn't anyone know these answers?? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- * The first thing we do let's kill all the lawyers _Shakespeare * ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From mosk Mon May 16 08:30 PDT 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: I need CHUCRH CD's Cc: gerber@itu1.sun.ac.za I am passing this one on to the list. If you're interested, please e-mail Charl directly. He is not on the list and will not see any posts there.... -morten ----- Begin Included Message ----- From gerber@itu1.sun.ac.za Thu May 12 01:23:10 1994 From: gerber@itu1.sun.ac.za (C.P. Gerber) Subject: I need CHUCRH CD's I am desperately looking for CHURCH CD's, in exchange for cassettes I have of various music. I inlcude a list. Could this please be spread on the mailing list? I'll swop 2 cassettes for one CD. All tapes South African releases, unless specified otherwise: ------------------------------------------------------------- Adam Ant - Manners & Physique Alphaville - Forever Young Bangles - Different Light Bauhaus - 1979-1983 (Double Play cassette) Billy Idol - Charmed Life Bourgeois Tagg - Yoyo Camouflage - Methods of Silence Celtic Rumours - This Day Communards - Red Cure - Disintegration (US release) Cure - Pornography (US release) Cure - Seventeen Seconds (US release) Cure - Boys Don't Cry (US release) Cure - Concert, The cure Live (British Release) Curiosity Killed The Cat - Keep Your Distance Dalbello - She Depeche Mode - 101 (Double Play cassette) DJ Jazzy Jeff & Fresh Prince - He's The DJ, I'm the Rapper Erasure - Innocents Joy Division - Substance (US release) Kon Kan - Move To Move Police - Their Greatest Hits Primitives - Pure R.E.M. - Out Of Time Sigue Sigue Sputnik - Dress For Excess (No Cover) Sigue Sigue Sputnik - Flaunt It Talk Talk - Natural History, Very Best Of Tanita Tikaram - Ancient Heart The Name - Promise Tone Loc - Loc'ed After Dark USA For Africa - We Are The World (also featuring Prince, Bruce Springsteen, Huey Lewis, Tina Turner, Chicago, Pointer Sisters, Steve Perry, Northern Lights, Kenny Rogers) Violent Femmes - Hallowed Ground (US release) Various Artists - The Dance Album (Mixed songs of Fleetwood Mac, Club Nouveau, Prince, Jody Watley, Laura Branigan, Company B) Various Artists - Maxi Trax 1 (Mixed tracks of Wham, King, The Stranglers, Dead Or Alive, Paul Young) Various Artists - Maxi Mute Vol 1 (Mixed tracks by Depeche Mode, Erasure, He Said, Frank Tovey) Various Artists - Maxi Mute Vol 3 (Mixed tracks by Depeche Mode, Laibach, Wire, Erasure, I Start Counting, Nitzer Ebb, Mark Stewart) Various Artists - Pop Shop 25 (Long list... ask for full listing) Various Artists - Pop Shop 26 (Long list... ask for full listing) Cheers Charl Gerber e-mail : gerber@itu1.sun.ac.za -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Please, please, please, let me get what I want" - The Smiths "I follow where my mind goes" - The Psychedelic Furs ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ----- End Included Message ----- From ctn2d@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu Mon May 16 11:01 PDT 1994 16 May 94 14:00 EDT From: ctn2d@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Subject: Re: I need CHUCRH CD's Cc: gerber@itu1.sun.ac.za sorry for tehe non church content but i need some hedlp from someone on compuserve. i need an address for Murray Attaway. thanks,.. i need this as quickly as possible. thanks again chris s Sadly, many children are not even born into families today, but are orphaned even before their birth by the choice of their parents who do not want them. This grieves my heart so. Cherish your children and give them the stable environment they deserve. -The Blessed Virgin Mary, March 7, 1987 From ewing@u.washington.edu Mon May 16 11:11 PDT 1994 Mon, 16 May 94 11:11:22 -0700 From: Andrew W Ewing Subject: Warm Spell Hello to everyone, I'm looking for Warm Spell on CD. I have it on cassette which I bought in 1988 and it is starting to wear thin. I remeber someone posting something about it in the past. Could someone please send me the new info. Additionally, is there a album list out there? I haven't looked but I guess I should. Later, Andrew ewing@u.washington.edu From john.brownosullivan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Mon May 16 14:17 PDT 1994 X-Sender: ou005076@brandywine.otago.ac.nz From: john.brownosullivan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (John Brown-O'Sullivan) Subject: SUBSCRIBE John Brown-O'Sullivan Student Zoology Department University of Otago E-mail john.brownosullivan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz From djbarnard@ucdavis.edu Mon May 16 22:16 PDT 1994 From: "David J. Barnard" Sender: "David J. Barnard" Reply-To: "David J. Barnard" Subject: SOMETIME ANYWHERE Cc: Madhouse94@aol.com Everyone- Thanks to our friend Bill at Arista, I was sent the promo tape (gag!) of our favorite band's new album! The frustration of waiting through the winter and most of spring was heightened by having to find a friend who's tape deck works (ever notice how now one bothers to get things fixed when we all have CD players?)... well it took an hour and I'm now one happy guy... I feel very special for having an advance copy. But, why couldn't it be on disc? Beggers should be able to choose... During my first listen, I noticed the music is definitely supreme... the guitar is haunting -- much the same way as on P=A. You'll definitely know it's The Church from the start. But, I think the last 2/3 of the album will be considered the best. THOUGHTS: "Day of the Dead" I'd like to hear live. The sound is worth a live system. Is it me or does all music sound better played through huge powerful speakers so you feel the bass line shaking your skeleton? "Lost My Touch" is going to remind people of U2's last album but it's better... there's definitely a hint of what U2 did -- thoughksjdflj "Loveblind" could probably break on to the charts, but I know my radio station is only playing "2 Places At Once." "My Litle Problem" is a very interesting song... I wish I had the lyrics to this one... "The Maven" !! Maybe The Church would have a larger audience if they released the GREAT songs and not the songs that immediately are similar to other chart rated songs. "The Maven" is definitely a keeper -- It reminds me of the great musical strides taken in "Chaos." Any Church fan is going to love this! "Angelica" is the only Church song I'd care to remove from an album. Of course, I've only listened to it once so I can't say I've allowed it anytime to grow on me. The style's different -- not really The Church sound -- more of the Zaropa type thing -- to give it credit, it's much better than U2's song in this style. The Church extends the possibilites with the guitar. "Lullaby" is a good song. I liked it but I can't really say why. It reminds of some slow songs off of "Seance" but it's different. "Eastern" is the instrumental of the thirteen. Who knew that Indian music (besides The Beatle's experiments) would sound so good mixed with a little electric guitar? Good stuff -- for those of us like to experiment with mind altering substances, I'd reckon this one'll do. "2 Places at Once," the single... Okay, I can understand why Arista would want this to be a single... it's got a lot of choruses -- too many for my taste, I'd rather hear the wail of the guitar a little more. Without the chourses it reminds me of something slow from "Seance." "Business Woman" isn't what I'd expect them to sandwich between songs that are so obviously an extension of The Church sound. The upbeat of the song is funny because I don't really think it matches the lyrics too well. "Authority" is the a song I'd put out as the flipside to "The Maven." It's reminsicent of the last seven years. "Fly Home" I'll remember for the bass line. The finale here is coming. Listener's are getting a treat with this one. Great guitar. "Dead Man's Dream" good song, unfortunately, I can't remember what I wanted to say about it. Overall, the album includes some experimental pieces. I don't know if this is where the band's headed or not -- I'm glad to see them trying new things but I think their sound is firmly rooted elsewhere. One thing different about this album I noticed was that they devoted some effort to not making Kilbey's voice so low -- it's like they mixed up the vocals so they'd rest about the guitar instead of blending it together -- no problem: you'll mind will naturally sort out and amplify the tremendous guitar. I'm glad I didn't have to wait another week to hear the album. I *must* buy the CD though. And, why can't I have the bonus disc NOW! I'm very curious as to what is on it. Could Bill get this for us? Oh, please say YES. Happy Days Are Here Again, Dave Barnard Davis, California djbarnard@ucdavis.edu From djbarnard@ucdavis.edu Mon May 16 22:18 PDT 1994 From: "David J. Barnard" Subject: Sacramento Concert Cc: Madhouse94@aol.com In a daze after listening to the new album, I thought of a great idea. Since a few of us our planning to go the concert in Sac. Paul has his tickets; I have mine, and I'm sure there are more. Why don't we all meet up before the concert, maybe cram the front row! I thought it'd be novel if we could drag Marty and Steve off to a small gathering of devoted fans afterward... that is if they'd want to come. Anyone know how they'd feel about that? BTW, is San Fransisco still going to happen? I can't find anything in the papers and none of the radio stations think they're sponsering it? Curious how many people have tickets to Sac? If you don't, buy them. I think it's $18.60 with BASS charge, and they are about half sold... only 3000 seat stadium. They just added another group -- something ya-anavich (that's not how you spell it but you get he idea). See you there, Dave Barnard Davis, California djbarnard@ucdavis.edu From tim@large.equinox.gen.nz Mon May 16 22:47 PDT 1994 From: tim@large.equinox.gen.nz (Tim Lucas) Subject: Records Just thought I would mention to you guys that I just recieved my second shipment of records from Morten in top condition. Considering they were sent all the way to New Zealand I thought that was pretty good service. Cheers -Tim From bove@goethite.geo.cornell.edu Tue May 17 12:14 PDT 1994 From: "Dan Bove" Subject: business woman hmm... i wasnt as lucky as some people to have gotten a promo tape... but, when the DJ at the local college station went to cue up 2 Places at Once last night he played business woman instead... i didnt notice until marty's guitar became really noticeable, so i missed the first few seconds... but i thought someone out there might appreciate my first stab at the lyrics. ...sombody else I imagine her in bed With her communication skills Cabinet full of creams and pills Paying the bills and beating the rent You'll never understand The wonderful mind I found within Powerful beauty in her eyes Look at that business woman She's got a head on her shoulders Look at that business woman She's not the much older than you But she fears in her soul Stopped by the flutters, in (something) When she reveals her secret life All of the gifts come deep and swift Promise her anything, only gift You're going to have to leave your wife She'll never understand The wonderful mind I found within Beautiful power in her eyes Look at that business woman She's got a head on her shoulders Look at that business woman She's not the much older than you And when she comes the stars explode Exquisite results in input mode Just when she comes she's suddenly gone Maybe you'll find her, maybe you won't Maybe she loves you, maybe she don't Maybe you'll find that you are alone You'll never understand All of the means, all of the ends Business woman, in her eyes (chorus twice) ...sorry bout the typos, and the lyrics arent close to perfect... just thought this might be better than nothing... the music was pretty upbeat, not necessarily for most groups, but definitely for the church, especially after p=a. it reminded me most of disenchanted, but the sound was a lot fuller and the texture a lot smoother... and buried in the song were a bunch of riffs that sounded like the beginning of tantilized, and everyone once in a while they would pop out. it was pretty damn cool, and i thought it sounded more heyday-ish than anything, which makes sense since dave said this album sounded pretty experimental also... and, of course, since heyday is my favorite album i'm as pleased as all hell... happy waiting dan From djbarnard@ucdavis.edu Tue May 17 13:51 PDT 1994 From: "David J. Barnard" Subject: UNDER THE MILKYWAY One great thing about a The Church coming to town is that the radio station's start playing more and more of their music... it's a nice break from the rest the stuff they usually play... right now I'm chilling to UnDER THE MiLKY WAY. Dave Barnard Davis, California djbarnard@ucdavis.edu From brenta@microsoft.com Tue May 17 14:25 PDT 1994 X-Msmail-Message-Id: DDFAE6D7 X-Msmail-Conversation-Id: DDFAE6D7 X-Msmail-Wiseremark: These pretzels are making me thirsty From: Brent Aliverti Subject: RE: UNDER THE MILKYWAY Our local commercial modern rock station "KNDD" only plays UTMW, Reptile, Metropolis, and the new single. How I would love to hear them pull out Unguarded Moment, Tantalized, Electric Lash, Tristesse, or any number of other radio-friendly Church tunes. Of course I'm biased...I can think of few Church tunes that I wouldn't consider radio friendly :-) The sad truth is, I doubt they have any pre-Starfish discs at the station. ---------- From: "David J. Barnard" Subject: UNDER THE MILKYWAY One great thing about a The Church coming to town is that the radio station's start playing more and more of their music... it's a nice break from the rest the stuff they usually play... right now I'm chilling to UnDER THE MiLKY WAY. Dave Barnard Davis, California djbarnard@ucdavis.edu From john.brownosullivan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Tue May 17 16:51 PDT 1994 X-Sender: ou005076@brandywine.otago.ac.nz From: john.brownosullivan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (John Brown-O'Sullivan) Subject: A New Zealand chapter of the Church Hi. My name is up there, but you can just call me John, or JBOS if you prefer. I'm a third year zoology student at Otago University in the South Island of New Zealand (which for your information, Fred, is in the South Pacific, NOT in Europe). I only got email a month ago, for course work etc, but I soon realised I could have more fun with it than that. I'm a rabid Church fan, but a recent one. It wasn't till '91 that I heard one of their songs on the student radio (Contact FM, in Hamilton). It was 'Reptile', and I fell in love. Strangely, I did't buy Starfish straight away, but Seance. Maybe that's why I am so 'fond' of Seance, even though I think the later albums are better. I got Starfish, and liked it, but it wasn't till 1992 and Priest=Aura that I realised how brilliant the Church were. 'Aura' had me mesmerised, it was like an aural version of, say, 'The Citadel of the Autarch', by Gene Wolfe. And I liked just about every other track, although some, like 'Chaos' and 'The Disillusionist' have palled with time. Then I got Gold Afternoon Fix, and it took a LONG time to get to like this as much as it deserves. Maybe it was because I was approaching it from the wrong direction; it just sounded a bit 'cute'. But, now I love it - esp. 'Transient'. I got hold of Of Skins and Heart, which is too trad for me to get into, except for 'Bel Air' - a cool song! I bought Hindsight - favourite tracks being 'As You Will' and 'Trance Ending', and not much else. Then I found A Quick Smoke at Spot's - a friend hated this, but I think songs like 'Texas Moon', 'Much Too Much', 'Forgotten Reign' and 'Hunter' are as good as any they've done. Then I discovered (some of) their solo stuff - starting with MWP's Spirit Level, which has a couple of good songs, like 'Luscious Ghost'. I was lucky enough to find an old copy of Kilbey's 'Unearthed', but I haven't found any of his later stuff, or any of Koppes'. I could order them, but I'd like to know which ones are best. Ironically MWP's albums, which I am not so fussed over, are easily available here. Then came Heyday - well, my feelings about this vary from day to day. I think it's a bit mellow. I've heard bits of The Blurred Crusade and Remote Luxury, and I think I'm mostly a fan from 1987-onwards. I picked up Jack Frost, and that's good, if fairly mellow. Last of all, my other favourite bands - the closest are the Bats, from New Zealand - if you haven't ever heard them, get hold of Daddy's Highway (fairly folky), Fear of God (pop) and Silverbeet (more rocky). A long way back are: Sonic Youth, Throwing Muses, Straitjacket Fits, Ride, the J&M Chain, and James. So, here I am, counting the days till Somewhere Anytime arrives. I don't know how long this list has been going for, but I wonder if it's possible to get the total sequence of messages thus far? I got the 'business woman' message, so that's a start. Can anyone help with: 1. the list - is there a list of who's on it? 2. Lyrics - I'm told that I can FTP for them, but even if I could, I don't know what to do once I get to ftp.uwp.edu. Can someone help out? or even send some via email? 3. General info - history of the band, etc. Burning questions include: Why did Ploog leave? What are Koppes and Jay Dee Daugherty doing now? Are there any words of wisdom from Kilbey floating around? (I heard someone sent him a letter). John From mosk Tue May 17 17:13 PDT 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: RE: UNDER THE MILKYWAY > From brenta@microsoft.com Tue May 17 14:25:35 1994 > > Our local commercial modern rock station "KNDD" only plays UTMW, > Reptile, Metropolis, and the new single. How I would love to hear them > pull out Unguarded Moment, Tantalized, Electric Lash, Tristesse, or any > number of other radio-friendly Church tunes. Of course I'm biased...I > can think of few Church tunes that I wouldn't consider radio friendly > :-) The sad truth is, I doubt they have any pre-Starfish discs at the station. > And this is exactly why it's time to get a "Best of The Church" cd out on the market. If the new single is as hot as it sounds (and seemingly getting airplay) it is the perfect time to make new fans aware of the brilliant back-catalog. I find that when I ask around, very few people know who the Church are. When I proceed to play UtMW everyone say "yeah, I've heard that song.." Then I play "Unguarded Moment" and they say "is that them too?? Wow, yeah, I remember that song.." One of my office-mates commented that he didn't mind me playing the Church all the time, because their music was very varied from cd to cd. And I think that is a good point, those 2 songs are so far apart musically, I think it's hard for the casual radio-listener to link them to the same band. So even if you knew one of the songs, you'd think it's a one-hit wonder band that has long since disappeared (of course we all know they are "2-hit- working-on-the-3rd-hit-wonders" :) Imagine what it would do to the masses if we could make the association between the band and their two "hit" songs and some of their other brilliant "singles" such as Ripple (ahem Arista), Metropolis and the older stuff Brent mentioned. I'll be happy to compile it for you, Bill... :-) -morten From 917815@edna.cc.swin.edu.au Tue May 17 19:42 PDT 1994 From: Jonathan Michael Payling <917815@edna.cc.swin.edu.au> Subject: Church Questions I have a few things I need to ask.. 1) I saw Steve at the Continenetal Cafe as I have previously mentioned :), and I want to know what the song was that he opened with on saturday night. I've heard the name Providence floating around, and was wondering if anyone could tell me exactly where it came from and where I can get it? Is it off Jack Frost or whatever ? 2) What is the THIRD CHORD from Ripple? I saw Steve playing it and forgot to note what it is.. I know so far: Am - C - ?? - Fmaj7 3) Was anyone else dissapointed with Steves rendition of Mistress on the saturday night show? He played it in 4/4 and it sounded awful, which annoys me as it's obviously 3/3 and it's my favourite song.. it sounded all over the place.. Later, Elkor.. (was told the new album was out and then found it was nowhere to be\ found :( ) From BSmith@VCOMTELC.TELECOM.com.au Tue May 17 20:51 PDT 1994 From: "Smith, Brian" Subject: A cute background lyric on Narcosis For those of you familiar with Skilbey's "Narcosis", there's a neat thing going in the background at the second "Why don't you sleep with me" in the song of the same name. Faced with an echo machine, Steve has clearly succumbed to the same impulse that all sightseers in "Echo Valley" or "Echo Gorge" have experienced. He sings the word "ECHO !" which then reverberates around for a while. Not original, but a lot of fun ! What a zany, wacky comedian he is ! Brian Smith From ckoontz@centerice.aud.alcatel.com Wed May 18 05:38 PDT 1994 From: ckoontz@centerice.aud.alcatel.com (Columbia Blue Carl) Subject: RE: UNDER THE MILKYWAY > >I'll be happy to compile it for you, Bill... :-) > Of course, The Best of The Church will *have* to be a double-CD. :-) I've tried many times to envision what would be on a compilation album to truly represent the band and I can never get it down below 17 or 18 songs without making some drastic cuts. I'm sure the record company can figure it out though. They (Arista) really should look into a greatest hits/rarities combination album because then new fans and addicts (I believe that term best suits most of us) alike will purchase it. Carl From vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu Wed May 18 08:06 PDT 1994 via MS.5.6.pcs13.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4c_411; From: Vernon H Harmon Subject: BMG Church selections Cc: BMG has Starfish, P=A and GAFix in this month's special Alternative Supplement. Here's their write-up for Starfish: "The second album from Down Under folk-rockers." HUH??? Do they have *any* clue whatsoever? Geez... GAFix has nothing but song listings and P=A has the write-up: "An innovative soundscape." I guess it's at least something that they *carry* Church releases, but is it too much to ask of them to get their facts straight?? *sigh* --Vernon....less than a week of waiting left!! From mosk Wed May 18 09:22 PDT 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: REVIEW: THE CHURCH - SOMETIME ANYWHERE I received my pre-release cassette yesterday, and after listening to it a few times, here's my impression. Please be aware that these are first impressions, and the album may (/will hopefully) grow on me. That said, here we go: THE CHURCH - SOMETIME ANYWHERE DAY OF THE DEAD - The opening track is unmistakenly the Church. It starts off with a guitar sound and riff that only they can come up with. The song itself is not unlike some of the noisier parts of P=A. Ok, cool, next... LOST MY TOUCH - Hey, what the hell happened here??? The Church wanting to sound like New Order and the likes? C'mon! The spoken lyrics (through a megaphone?) is just not what I expect from Steve & Co. The chorus saves the song somewhat, it pulls it _up_ to the standard of the worst songs on P=A. The guitar and the lofty production benefits the song immensly, but in my opinion, not enough. LOVEBLIND - Starts out very nicely with a keyboard pattern and some very nice acoustic guitar notes from Marty. As soon as the vocals come in though, the whole mood of the song changes, and it's not for the better.... The guitar solo (acoustic) kind of leaps at you and makes you jump, and you quickly realize that you had nodded off. This song is sleep-inducing. A very mediocre song by Church standards. MY LITTLE PROBLEM - The song starts off very promising, with familiar Church traits such as nice guitars and Steve's voice. "Seance" comes to mind here. The verse builds and builds, and you expect a smashing chorus, instead the song falls flat on it's face as soon as the chorus comes in. There just isn't enough changes in this song to keep it interesting. The guitar in the background actually becomes very annoying by the end of the track. Oh my, this means so far it's three strikes kids! A sidestep here: Halfway through "My Little Problem" on the first listen-through I glanced at the song titles. The following immediately sparng to mind: ""The Day Of The Dead" was the day that Peter Koppes left the band. "Lost My Touch" aptly describes Steve and Marty's song-writing capabilities at the moment. "Loveblind" is what I can call myself if I manage to trick myself into saying what I've heard so far is good. You see, "My Little Problem" is that I expect the Church to deliver music no other band is capable of. So far, it sounds like a sampler-album of "throwaways of the 90's"." It's not pretty.... Back to the album: THE MAVEN - Hailed by the inlay-card as a one of the highlights of the album, highlighting Marty's guitar-playing, naturally made my expectations sky-high. Again I'm somewhat disappointed. The song ends up being one long guitar-jam with Marty vs Marty and it only works halfway. I have both heard and seen Marty do much better than this. The "counteracting" guitar in the solo seems out of tune and a product of "hey-let's-put-another-guitar-track-on" and unfortunately they went with the first take. ANGELICA - Oh no. This track is horrible. It's definetely an experimental track, with elements of "Art Attack", hip-hop, the Beatles' "Baby You're A Rich Man" and the odd fiddle thrown in. The song plods away nicely as a dance song, but kee-rist, it should never have appeared on a Church album. Mouthwash, Tylenol, warm water and iodine please..... LULLABY - Opens side 2 of the promo-cassette. Another mellow song, the difference is that this one actually works. I can't quite pinpoint what, but something makes it work. Maybe it's the length (probably the shortest song on the cassette), maybe it's the lyrics, maybe just Steve's voice. Or the contrast and relief from "Angelica". EASTERN - Another experiment. Electric guitar, bass and a fiddle. As the title suggests, this is very eastern. It sounds like a raga or something, and you can see the belly-dancers in the studio. A fun track, but is it the Church??? 2 PLACES AT ONCE - I can breathe. Finally something I can definetely say "Yes, it's the Church, and man is it superb..." Some of you may already know this song by now, but for those of you who don't... It starts off very mellow, barely whispering along. Then Steve comes in with the first verse, creating a mood and a melody line only he can do. It sends shivers down my spine. The chorus breaks into what can best be described as a "sing-along" or "football-stadium" anthem. The Church's "We are the Champions". Then Marty sings the next verse. The song takes on a very different dimension, where Marty's "Spirit Level" album is hanging over as a (very pleasant) cloud. Then another chorus and Steve's back. The mood of the song changes again. The effect of the two changing vocals is very close to what was achieved by Steve and Karin Jansson (as Curious Blue) on "Isabella". Beautiful. And underneath all this is a great soundtrack with a guitar (driven to the max through a leslie-cabinet ?) that sounds like a wind-harp. Man, this is a good song and a great choice for the single. I would love to hear this inbetween all the Pearl-Sonic-Nirvana-Dummies that is played these days... It will be like spring rain.... Aahhh..... BUSINESS WOMAN - We're somewhat back to old standards with this one, although it has an almost too-poppy, too-produced tint to it. It does have a wonderful guitar solo though, and that counts for something. And it could probably fit very well on Marty's "Rhyme" or even "P=A". AUTHORITY - Another ok song. It has cascading guitars, Steve's voice and what you would think would be the ingredients to a great song. Again, the song never quite takes off. It's good, don't misunderstand me, it just doesn't grab you. It's pleasant background music. FLY HOME - Another "mostly-Marty" track. Probably the best one of his on this album. It starts of soft and crashes into a chorus not unlike late-model Pink Floyd! This song is highlighted by a great bass pattern and some great guitars. DEAD MAN'S DREAM - The album closer. And another great track. Yes, it's a great track. Probably my second fave on the album after the single. It has a great guitar pattern and double-tracked vocals by Steve, with Marty adding another voice here and there. It works very well. The song has a very long instrumental part towards the end, which is very repetetive, but the monotony is broken every now and then by sudden stops and odd breaks (another fiddle part) and a synthesizer solo(!). It may sound strange, but it actually works well.... And that's it. It should by this point be fairly obvious what I think of the new album. To me it is a MAJOR disappointment. Don't get me wrong, the album as a whole is not that bad. Not bad at all. It's just lacking just about every element that made Church records Divine; the guitar-crescendos, the guitar-interplay, the guitar-structures, the hook-laden bass-riffs and the different levels the songs usually display. This album works on one level only (with the exeption of the single). And most off all, the songs are missing the usual hooks. Not very many of these songs are memorable. A better title on the album in my opinion is "This Time, Nowhere". I'm sorry. I WANT to like this album. I just can't.... I will give it another chance when I actually get the cd (I hate tapes by default) and can "roam around" a little bit. I am hoping the additional tracks will be better, but I have a feeling this album will suffer a fate worse than P=A in my collection; it'll be dragged out once in a blue moon for a track or two, then nicely put back in, while I put "Skins And Heart", "Hindsight" or "Starfish" back in the cd player. -morten From n9282183@gonzo.cc.wwu.edu Wed May 18 10:47 PDT 1994 From: "Nicole B. Hall" Sender: "Nicole B. Hall" Reply-To: "Nicole B. Hall" Subject: Re: REVIEW: THE CHURCH - SOMETIME ANYWHERE Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM On Wed, 18 May 1994, Morten Skjefte wrote: > I received my pre-release cassette yesterday, and after listening > to it a few times, here's my impression. > Please be aware that these are first impressions, and the album > may (/will hopefully) grow on me. That said, here we go: [fairly heartbreaking stuff deleted] Ouch. Well, now I know I have to let my own ears decide for me. :) After all, I personally don't think the new single is anything supurb (although I've only heard it once) and I *adore* My Little Problem.... nicole From vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu Wed May 18 10:53 PDT 1994 via MS.5.6.pcs13.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4c_411; From: Vernon H Harmon Subject: "Best of" Collection Cc: Vernon.Harmon@cs.cmu.edu >And this is exactly why it's time to get a "Best of The Church" cd I agree, but they better put some "never before available on CD" bonus tracks on the CD version, or I won't be buying it. ;D (and I don't mean re-mixes, either!) >I'll be happy to compile it for you, Bill... :-) Well, we'd be aiming at getting the Church's best songs, but also a solid representation of their diversity. How about this: Singles(*) + B-sides: DISC ONE: DISC TWO: 1) *She Never Said 03:16 *The Unguarded Moment 04:17 2) *Too Fast For You 03:28 *Almost With You 04:11 3) *When You Were Mine 05:43 *It's No Reason 05:54 4) *Electric Lash 04:25 *A Month Of Sundays 04:20 5) *Constant In Opal 03:29 *Already Yesterday 04:15 6) *Tantalized 04:57 *Disenchanted 03:53 7) Take It Back 04:13 Musk 03:55 8) *Columbus 03:48 *Under The Milky Way 04:57 9) Ride Into The Sunset 04:32 Warm Spell 04:35 10) *Reptile 04:56 *Destination 05:51 11) *Antenna 03:51 *Metropolis 04:44 12) Desert 02:49 Much Too Much 03:53 13) *Russian Autumn Heart 04:06 *You're Still Beautiful 03:07 14) *Terra Nova Cain 05:10 *Ripple 06:03 15) The Feast 04:49 Nightmare 03:39 16) *Feel 03:55 Fog 03:32 17) Texas Moon 05:45 18) Hunter 04:25 Total: 70:37 71:06 Rarities: 1) Busdriver (3:00?) 2) A Different Man (4:00?) 3) Ancient History (4:00?) 4) In This Room (4:00?) 5) I Am A Rock (4:00?) 6) Anna Miranda 03:02 7) Perfect Child 02:58 8) Frozen And Distant 03:58 9) Unsubstantiated (5:00?) 10) Afterlife 04:14 11) Nose Dive 03:24 12) You Got Off Light 03:30 13) Dream 02:57 14) Forgotten Reign 04:19 15) We Both Know Why You're Here 02:21 Live songs: 16) Life Speeds Up 07:00+ 17) The View 05:00+ Total: ~71:01 That's 3 CD's/tapes with over 70 minutes of music and 16+ songs on each of them. Disc Two could also be released separately as a "Greatest Hits" CD since it contains tUM, UtMW, Metropolis and Ripple -- which are probably the only real "hits" they've had -- and because it's also a very diverse set of music, which constitutes a good intro to the Church. Of course, the sequencing on each of these discs can and should be played with a bit. I made conservative estimates of the times for the tracks I don't have and which don't have times listed in Morten's discography. I envision these releases similar to the recent Prince Greatest Hits/B-sides release. Hmm, maybe the live tracks could be bumped from Disc 3, Much Too Much moved from Disc 2 to Disc 3 and 2 Places At Once added to Disc 2? Now then, what should it be called? I rather like the title "Heresy: The Best of the Church" :D And then the "Greatest Hits" CD (Disc Two) released separately could be called "Hearsay: The Church's Greatest Hits" "Heresy" and "Hearsay" What do you think Bill? Morten? Everybody else? Bueller? Bueller? --Vernon, who would buy this set in a second. From 74214.2445@CompuServe.COM Wed May 18 12:59 PDT 1994 From: Bill Wilson <74214.2445@CompuServe.COM> Subject: The Church Live On-Line The Church will be on-line LIVE Monday May 23rd at 10:00pm on America On-Line's CenterStage (Keyword CenterStage). The new album, Sometime Anywhere, will be released the following day May 24th. The first single is "Two Places At Once". The group is embarking on promotional tour beginning May 23rd; schedules follows. Please join The Church LIVE On-Line! The following is all of the specific information currently available. I will update you as new information becomes available. 5/23-24 New York (Press) 5/25 Washington DC (Outdoor lunch show at Faragaut Square WHFS) 5/26 Providence (Lupo's 7pm WBRU) 5/27 Boston (Local 186 TBA, WFNX) 5/28 Cleveland (WENZ Anniversary Show) 5/29 Charleston WAVF 5/30 Atalnta 99X taping 5/31 Memphis 96X 6/2 St. Louis KPNT 6/3 Denver KTCL Music Link 6/4 Denver KTCL show in afternoon 6/5 San Francisco KFOG 6/6 Sacramento show at State Campus 6/7 Seattle KNND 6/8 Portland KBBT 6/9 Salt Lake City (TENTATIVE) 6/10 Los Angeles (Press) 6/12 San Diego 91X Sun Fest 3:45pm 6/13 Phoenix (TENTATIVE) 6/14 Las Vegas KEDG Bill@Arista (Madhouse94@aol.com) From LMERIWETHER@macalstr.edu Wed May 18 14:15 PDT 1994 <01HCHOAUH20G8X3M7V@macalstr.edu>; Wed, 18 May 1994 16:14:39 CDT From: skye Subject: rah and megalopolis cd singles, anyone? X-Vms-To: IN%"seance@thechurch.ebay.sun.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT megalopolis. what a silly word. anyway, i have these two singles, and they're really neat, but i have to have a more portable life. i'd rather sell/trade them to someone on the list than to a dumb record store... email me if ya want em, skye ps to morten: i got the tape, and oh boy does i am a rock make me giggle...:) From pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Wed May 18 15:25 PDT 1994 From: pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Subject: reviews People, enough of the negative reviews for the new album, especially before the rest of us even get a chance to hear it :-( I for one will take comfort in the fact that I didn't like GAF or P=A at first listen either, but both steadily grew on me and i now each of them contain some of my favorite songs (sorry about that grammar). Come to think of it, nothing since before "heyday" has really struck me as brilliant upon first listen, at least in terms of a whole album. Hopefully, this album will soon take a high a place as the rest of them for all of us after a few listens. All those subtleties, and lyrical quirks will present themselves before too long I'm sure. And if not, lets at least pretend to rave about it, so that bill @ Arista can tell the execs what a brilliant band they have their hands on :-) Also hi to new member jonathan. I have never seen so many songs sung by Peter on anyones list of favorites before! Welcome to the group. -paul P.S. morten, do you know any more about the S.F. "show" ? From rfd@buclaa.bu.edu Wed May 18 15:58 PDT 1994 From: rfd@buclaa.bu.edu (Richard F. Delano) Subject: Boston show Okay, what's the deal? I just found out that the only way to get into the Boston show is by winning tickets from WFNX. What a joke! So if I don't win tickets, some yahoo who only knows UTMW will end up going! What kind of promotion is this? What marketing wizard said "How can we promote this band? Maybe a show that's closed to the public? Yeah! That'll help sell the album!" Argh! Bill, what's with this? Is there any other way for folks like us to get in to the show? (Hint, hint) Rich Boston Univ. From kallista@netcom.com Wed May 18 16:15 PDT 1994 From: kallista@netcom.com (Christopher Barrus) Subject: A *show* in L.A.? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hmmm... Only a press conference in Los Angeles? No show? The nearest show is in San Diego and the only way to get tickets is through 91X radio. Any show going on that I don't know about? Chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Chris Barrus - kallista@netcom.com "Sacred cows make the best hamburger" - Abbie Hoffman '72 Buick Riviera - Peace through superior automotive power! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From gsa@panix.com Wed May 18 16:37 PDT 1994 From: Gary Assa Subject: Re: Church Questions Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM > 1) I saw Steve at the Continenetal Cafe as I have previously mentioned > :), and I want to know what the song was that he opened with on saturday > night. I've heard the name Providence floating around, and was wondering > if anyone could tell me exactly where it came from and where I can get it? > Is it off Jack Frost or whatever ? Yes, First Jack Frost album. Great Song! From gsa@panix.com Wed May 18 16:49 PDT 1994 From: Gary Assa Subject: Re: REVIEW: THE CHURCH - SOMETIME ANYWHERE Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Mort: Thanks for the unbiased opinion. I haven't got it yet, but I can also be un-biased. I loved everything by the Church through starfish, then it started going downhill. I think P=A was absolute shit with not a single song having a tune. It's just like people who loved the sex pistols. They cannot say that Johnny Lydon(Rotten) really sucks now. There is no resemblence to any old material and it is total shit. But no one will admit it. Thank you for the truth. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- * The first thing we do let's kill all the lawyers _Shakespeare * ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From gsa@panix.com Wed May 18 16:54 PDT 1994 From: Gary Assa Subject: Re: Boston show Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM > I just found out that the only way to get into the Boston show is by > winning tickets from WFNX. What a joke! > > So if I don't win tickets, some yahoo who only knows UTMW will end > up going! What kind of promotion is this? What marketing wizard said > "How can we promote this band? Maybe a show that's closed to the public? > Yeah! That'll help sell the album!" You are SO right! This is EXACTLY what I think. If this is a promo tour, why are they promo-ing to the press? They don't even buy albums, they get them free. Lack of brains is no excuse for this pathetic marketing plea. I don't know who was in charge of this; Arista or their management company. I called Arista, and they said they don't give the name of the Management company to the public. S*ck my D*ck Arista. From brenta@microsoft.com Wed May 18 17:29 PDT 1994 X-Msmail-Message-Id: A6B06ADB X-Msmail-Conversation-Id: A6B06ADB X-Msmail-Wiseremark: These pretzels are making me thirsty From: Brent Aliverti Subject: Re: REVIEW: THE CHURCH - SOMETIME ANYWHERE From: Gary Assa >... I think P=A was absolute shit with not a single song having a tune. Gary, I think it's very possible that you may have purchased a defective copy of Priest=Aura and not realized it :-) It's the only reason I can think of that you would say something like the above. While there are a few tunes on P=A that I don't really care for, there are many that I think are fine Church tunes. "Aura" is terrific, as is "Ripple" and "Paradox". In general, I do think the album has a more subdued, atmospheric quality than earlier releases. If you said a few tracks were somewhat boring, I could maybe understand it. But tuneless shit? No way. p.s. If your post was just a joke and I just didn't get it, my apologies. From dwp@maths.uq.oz.au Wed May 18 17:47 PDT 1994 From: Dean Podlich I think P=A is one of the best produced Australian album ever!! Morten - I have to say I've very disappointed to hear your comments on the new album. I haven't heard it yet but I hope it's an album that grows on you. I have to admit though - it would be extremely hard to beat Of S and H. deano From mspizuco@sas.upenn.edu Wed May 18 19:10 PDT 1994 From: mspizuco@sas.upenn.edu (Matthew Paul Spizuco) Posted-Date: Wed, 18 May 1994 22:10:45 -0400 Subject: Review comment > After reading the reviews of the latest Church effort, I feel > somewhat uneasy. Especially when, apparently positive, references are made > to P=A. I have to agreed with that Assa person that P=A sucked rat shit. > I have even removed P=A from my wall mounted Church cd selection and > placed it with "From The Well" in a drawer. If the Church can't pull it > together for this album and tour, then I'll have to pretend they did break > up. That way I can fondly rejoice their fantastic early albums without > the pain of failed future efforts. Of course, I could love the new album > and all would be right with the world, but it's good to be prepared. > > -- > Matthew and Melanie MSPIZUCO@SAS.UPENN.EDU > > "Eventually the continent comes." > > * * * > > -- Matthew and Melanie MSPIZUCO@SAS.UPENN.EDU "Eventually the continent comes." * * * From TAOBERLY@delphi.com Wed May 18 23:01 PDT 1994 <01HCI8RD4XPS8Y7FT0@delphi.com>; Thu, 19 May 1994 01:59:39 EDT From: Todd Oberly Subject: new subscriber here! X-Vms-To: IN%"seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi folks, I've been corresponding privately with Morten about all sorts of things for a couple months now, but with the impending release of "Sometime Anywhere", I decided to finally join the mailing list. (BTW, I'm the guy who typed the liner notes from the promo cassette...a local indie record store was kind enough to let me borrow their copy for a couple days!) And in the tradition of mailing lists, here's a little about me... I bought my first Church album, Heyday, back in 1988 shortly after "Starfish" was released. I don't remember if "Under The Milky Way" had started getting airplay, but I remember a couple friends recommending The Church, and being a poor high school graduate I opted for the "Heyday" cassette over "Starfish" simply on the basis of price. I liked some of the songs, particularly "Columbus" and "Roman", but it was a little too mellow for my tastes, and since there were no lyrics included I tried my hand at deciphering them, unwittingly turning songs like "Myrrh" and "Tantalized" into almost pure Christian-rock, a music genre that I really, really loathe. Religious references can be quite surreal and cool, but there is a line between using them for effect and being out- right preachy. (I've since FTP'd the lyrics files, which altered the effect of some of the songs! ;^) Thankfully I heard "Under the Milky Way" by then, or my Church days might have been over. I know many people say that the first album they heard by band "x" is the one they like the best, but in my case "Heyday" is still my least favorite Church album. "Starfish" is great, and "Gold Afternoon Fix", too, even though it's now sounding a bit over-produced. "Grind" is certainly one of my all-time favorite Church songs...I just wish there had been a "Real, Real Loud" remix where they could have really screwed with the bass frequencies! Sometime after GAF I saw the video for "Constant In Opal" on MTV and decided to buy "Remote Luxury", which was a very pleasant surprise...so much change from the album before "Heyday" to the two after! I was pretty much set then that The Church would be a mainstay of mine. I bought "A Quick Smoke At Spots", which I don't play all that much but for some reason "Anna Miranda" just will not get out of my head! Help! :) I don't dislike "Priest=Aura", in fact if I think about it, it has some very well- written songs. But the album as a whole is too gloomy and heavy for my tastes. I often like "depressing", but P=A weighs me down. And then at Morten's urgence, I bought "Of Skins And Heart", which is so incredibly poppy but yet still The Church. (I still think Morten gets a set of ginsu knives for every CD he sells...so I guess that means he'll change his mind on "Sometime Anywhere" soon! ;^) I've taken to SA - it reminds me somewhat of "Starfish" with bits of OSAH, and some electronic woo-woo stuff on the first side. Maybe it is different from their earlier material, but it works for me. Right now "Day Of the Dead", "Lost My Touch", and "Business Woman" are my favorite songs, but (like Morten) I don't like cassettes, so I'm bound to listen to it more when I actually get the CD. BTW, no one actually spelled this out, but I would guess the US double pack will be releases on 5/24 and not at a later date like some record labels do with special packagings? How many double packs are going to be produced? I would hope they won't be hard to get. Well, that's enough of my babbling... -Todd TAOBERLY@DELPHI.COM From 917815@edna.cc.swin.edu.au Thu May 19 03:46 PDT 1994 From: Jonathan Michael Payling <917815@edna.cc.swin.edu.au> Subject: Re: REVIEW: THE CHURCH - SOMETIME ANYWHERE Cc: Morten Skjefte , seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM On Wed, 18 May 1994, Gary Assa wrote: > Mort: > Thanks for the unbiased opinion. I haven't got it yet, but I can also be > un-biased. I loved everything by the Church through starfish, then it > started going downhill. I think P=A was absolute shit with not a single > song having a tune. I completely disagree... except for GAF I think everything they've done has some merit.. And P=A has some Gems on it.. > It's just like people who loved the sex pistols. They cannot say that > Johnny Lydon(Rotten) really sucks now. There is no resemblence to any old > material and it is total shit. But no one will admit it. Thank you for > the truth. > Whose truth? Your truth? Your opinion?.. Please don't speak for everyone.. we all have opinions!.. Later, Elkor. From mspizuco@sas.upenn.edu Thu May 19 09:15 PDT 1994 From: mspizuco@sas.upenn.edu (Matthew Paul Spizuco) Posted-Date: Thu, 19 May 1994 12:15:40 -0400 Subject: testing This is a test. I've been having trouble posting messages. -- Matthew and Melanie MSPIZUCO@SAS.UPENN.EDU "Eventually the continent comes." * * * From vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu Thu May 19 09:40 PDT 1994 via MS.5.6.pcs16.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4c_411; From: Vernon H Harmon Subject: Re: Review comment Cc: Vernon.Harmon@cs.cmu.edu Ho, now, kiddies! Why don't you wait and decide for yourselves with a listen before you damn the new album? I certainly will. Not that I don't respect Morten's opinion, but he thinks that Starfish was their best album (I believe -- correct me if I'm putting words in your mouth, Big Guy), that GAF was mostly trash, and that P=A was a disappopintment. I, on the other hand, enjoy the hell out of GAF and P=A, while considering Starfish rather boring and mostly monotonous. Plus, there's something to be said for first listens not meaning a thing. Right now I'm listening to the new Boingo CD for the first time, which is quite different from their "usual" fare, and I find myself thinking "this is such a disappointment" but I have little doubt that I will like it much more on a second listen. (for those of you interested, "War Again" is the only song I like right now, with "Pedestrian Wolves" holding an "I almost like it" status) In fact, I have quite a few CDs that I couldn't *stand* on first listen, but have since come to really enjoy: CSNY "Deja Vu" Yes "Fragile" Rush "Hemispheres" Genesis "Nursery Cryme" Church "Of Skins And Heart" Rollins Band "The End of Silence" David Byrne "Rei Momo" etc. As you can see, most of these I bought with a notion of what I expceted them to sound like, based on other albums or a single song from the album, and I was off-base. I think it's much tougher to like a new album from a band with "baggage", especially when it's been more than a year since the last release. If it sounds the same as the last album, you think "it's been X years and they haven't got anything *new*?" but if it's something *completely* different, then you say "where in the world did *this* come from?" I think the only way around it for a band is if every album has a diversity of styles, so that it's not such a shock when radically new styles show up, and it's not such a disappointment when a couple of tracks "revisit" or "recycle" (depending on your view) old styles. Heh. Now I'm on my second listen, and "Boingo" is sounding much better, as I expected. The 16:00 "Change" seemed to just drag on on first listen, but now it seems rather interesting. Go figger. :) Despite Morten's first-listen review (and a few others'), I'm going to buy SA and listen to it about a dozen times, probably, the first day (although it'll be sharing CD player time with the new David Byrne release, which also comes out on Tuesday!). --Vernon. From mosk Thu May 19 11:05 PDT 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Keep your cool.... Ok kids, I think it's time I put in an editorial comment here.... I seem to have created a lot of stir with my review. That was _not_ my intention. It was stated at the top, but obviously not clearly enough, the review is just _my personal opinion_. Got that?? My personal opinion... In no way do you have to adhere to what I say, or even believe a word of it.... As a matter of fact, I think the only thing you should believe in this case is your own ears... The album is actually pretty good, I was just missing some of my personal favorite "Church trademarks". Then again, I would like every Church album to sound like "Of Skins and Heart"... :-) I have listened to the tape 4 times (yes, I know a minimum of 10 should be required before I review it), the first time my thoughts were "huh?", the second time "Ok, it's not _that_ bad" and the third time "Some of it is actually pretty good". On the fourth time my tapeplayer made a few "I'm gonna eat this tape soon" noises, so I quickly pulled it out and have decided to just wait for the cd release, pretend I never heard the album and go from there. I will post another review (most likely) at that time. And I will also post to alt.music.review _if_ I deem that my opinions won't hurt the Church. I have this thing about trying to be honest and objective even when it comes to the Church :-) But I am not into destroying peoples careers by a few snide remarks on the Internet, so if I honestly can't tell everyone out there to run and buy it, I will just keep my fingers shut... Should be fair enough... I regard people on this list as already converted fans, so I probably exhibit a little more truthfulness here than on the general net. And you all know that there's no-one in the world I'd rather see mega-successful than Steve and Marty. They are still miles ahead of any competition out there, even when they deliver a "bad" album. And for the record, the only Church albums I have liked off the bat, were "Heyday" and "Remote Luxury". Today I regard them as the worst Church albums. And yes, I did think P=A was somewhat disappointing too, and I still only play tracks 1-3 & 14 on that album. However, those tracks are amongst my favorite tracks ever. I also thought "UtMW" was mediocre when I first heard it, now I regard it as a brilliant, superbly executed song. I even thought "Of Skins and Heart" only had one superb song on it (tUM), most of you know that I now regard that as one of the best rock albums ever released.... Judging from this, I will like "Sometime Anywhere" quite a lot in a couple of months.... :-) And besides, 2 other people (and one magazine) reviewed the album, they all liked it, so that ought to prove something.... Let's just wait for next week and go buy the album. And let's post a review each on the (other) net, create total Church-mania and watch Steve and Marty become zillionaires.... They're still the best around.... -morten From kwr08495@acuvax.acu.edu Thu May 19 13:51 PDT 1994 From: "Karl W. Reinsch" Subject: re: The Church Live On-Line >The Church will be on-line LIVE Monday May 23rd at 10:00pm on America >On-Line's CenterStage (Keyword CenterStage). The new album, Sometime >Anywhere, will be released the following day May 24th. The first single is >"Two Places At Once". The group is embarking on promotional tour beginning >May 23rd; schedules follows. Please join The Church LIVE On-Line! Hey guys! I just got one of those free-trial disks in the mail yesterday. So, I'm going to try AOL out just for the Church conference. So, if anyone has any specific questions for me to ask, please say so! And anything else you would like me to pass along to the guys. >The following is all of the specific information currently available. I will >update you as new information becomes available. > >[tour dates removed] Ok, Bill, how come Texas isn't listed in here? They used to play in Texas on tours. Heck, I drove the 200+ miles to Dallas just to see them on the GAF tour. Besides, there's got to be more Church fans in Texas than in UTAH! Sheesh. Utah must have been picked by the same person who made most of the shows "press-only". I would say that a large number of us fans are more than a little disappointed in the handling of this "tour". -karl. From 74214.2445@CompuServe.COM Thu May 19 15:40 PDT 1994 From: Bill Wilson <74214.2445@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Updated Church Schedule UPDATED SCHEDULE, 5/19 ********THE CHURCH WIL BE ON-LINE LIVE MONDAY MAY 23rd at 10:00 pm through America On-Line 1 800 827 - 6364************ As you all know, Steve Kilbey and Marty Willson Piper from The Church will be perfroming promotional acoustic shows in May and June. The following is all of the specific information currently available. I will update you as new information becomes available. 5/23 New York (Press) 5/24 New Jersey WHTG (Performance in New Brunswick with tickets given away by the station) 5/25 Washington DC (WHFS Outdoor lunch show at Franklin Sq) 5/26 Providence (WBRU will give away tickets to show) 5/27 Boston (WFNX show at Local 186) 5/28 Cleveland (WENZ Anniversary Show, Nautica outdoor) 5/29 Charleston (WAVF taping) 5/30 Atalnta (99X taping) 5/31 Memphis (96X show at PR tracks, station winners) 6/2 St. Louis (KPNT show at Mississippi Nights, free show) 6/3 Denver KTCL Music Link 6/4 Denver KTCL outdoor show in afternoon at Fiddler's Green 6/5 San Francisco (KFOG contest winners-taping at The Plant) 6/6 Sacramento (show at State Campus) 6/7 Seattle (KNND show at Sit & Spin, station winners) 6/8 Portland (KBBT winners) 6/9 Salt Lake City (X96 show at Tower Theatre) 6/10 Los Angeles (Press) 6/12 San Diego (91X Sun Fest at San Diego State 3:45pm) 6/13 Phoenix (TENTATIVE) 6/14 Las Vegas (KEDG) Bill at Arista (Madhouse94@aol.com) From gsa@panix.com Thu May 19 17:39 PDT 1994 From: Gary Assa Subject: Re: Keep your cool.... Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Uh-Oh, me again. Of Skins and Heart, Blurred Crusade, Seance and Heyday only needed one listening to declare that they were great. Starfish, I considerred really good after seeing them in concert 9 times in 1988. GAF and P=A are acceptable today. P=A makes GAF look like a masterpiece, though. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- * The first thing we do let's kill all the lawyers _Shakespeare * ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From bove@goethite.geo.cornell.edu Thu May 19 22:28 PDT 1994 From: "Dan Bove" Subject: gaf first of all, i just wanna say that everyone should stop dissing gaf. while i admit that the first time i heard i thought that it was awful, it has been playing in my car for about two months now and i think it is awesome. the amusing or interesting lyrical bits dont lend themselves to a first listening, but after 4 years i have decided the album kicks butt... metropolis and grind kick all sorts of ass and there isnt a bad song on the entire album... gaf differs from p=a in that there arent any lyrics that lend themselves to further contemplation (?) after the first listen... maybe because (and i think i read this here) that steve wrote the lyrics off-the-cuff just to go along with]the tunes.. after upteen years ive decided that what i like about the church is that during the 10th or 20th (or more, lets be honest) listen the songs can turn out to be most anything, and they seem to always apply to everything... i like the lyrics more than any sing-song chorus and the mood the music sets more than any old chorus... i dont know what im trying to say except that i agree with morten(?) or whoever and until you listen to the album for the 20th time on headphones while laying on the floor all fucked up you'll never be able to figure out how cool the album is gonna be... (except that i hate to infer that morten said he fucked up part) so, just wait for the album, dont panic, listen a few times and then enjoy... and dont knock gaf. dan (excuse the typos...) From 917815@edna.cc.swin.edu.au Thu May 19 23:19 PDT 1994 From: Jonathan Michael Payling <917815@edna.cc.swin.edu.au> Subject: Re: Review comment Cc: church , Vernon.Harmon@cs.cmu.edu I agree with you Vernon, Most of my favourtie albums are ones that have grown on me, and that I probably didn't think much of the first few listens.. a classic example being Achtung Baby.. always a big U2 fan (although I HATE Rattle & Hum), I really didn't like AB for a couple of listens, but It has to be my all time favourite album.. same goes for Simple Minds, and the Church too I think.. the music works on so many levels it's impossible to get to them all at once!... In fact, the only band I can think of that ever worked on EVERY level perfectly was the beatles.. Later, Elkor. From mspizuco@sas.upenn.edu Fri May 20 08:54 PDT 1994 From: mspizuco@sas.upenn.edu (Matthew Paul Spizuco) Posted-Date: Fri, 20 May 1994 11:54:50 -0400 Subject: I like GAF What is wrong with GAF?? And before I get flamed for being an apparent STarfish-wagon-jumper, I'm not! I've been preaching the greatness of the Church since January 1984 when I first heard SEance and Blurred Crusade. I submit that GAF is the closest thing to a mainstream album the Church has released, but it was a good album. Terra NOva CAin was great in concert. Monday Morning has a great flow to it. Metropolis is a bit on the sugar coated side, but so what? At least it can be considered a "song", not like that collection of misfit dronings called P=A. GAF offers a look at the lighter side of the Church. It isn't very deep or perplexing. It's just a good album from a great band. Sometimes, that is enough. Thank you and good night. -- Matthew and Melanie MSPIZUCO@SAS.UPENN.EDU "Eventually the continent comes." * * * From MADHOUSE94@aol.com Fri May 20 12:11 PDT 1994 From: MADHOUSE94@aol.com Sender: "MADHOUSE94" Subject: Re: re: The Church Live On-Line Karl from Dallas, The "tour", as you put it, is not a tour, it is a "promotional tour"!!! It is to re-acquaint radio and retail with the band. The cities were not chosen--they were designated by whether or not the radio station in that market wanted the band. Those stations that wanted the band and had an event to promote got the band. There is currently talk of a "regular" tour for fans. This will hopefully happen, depending on the impact the album has once it is in store. I hope this clears up your confusion. If you have any further question, please email me again. Bill at Arista (madhouse@aol.com) From 213170596@UCIS.VILL.EDU Fri May 20 12:21 PDT 1994 From: 213170596@UCIS.VILL.EDU (timB) Subject: zillionaires? Whoah! What's all this about you guys wanting Steve and Marty to become zillionaires, get real famous, and all? A greatest hits album?? Sounds like you guys are trying to sell the church to the public. LIsten, if people are gonna like the Church, that's great, but i think that Steve and Marty are doin just fine without our help. Do you want 'em to turn into something like Genesis, or the Rolling Stones, pumping out cheeseball shit with their dying breaths??? Its not the goal of EVERY musician to become rich and famous. The Church has been doin' it for long enough for me to say that they've built up a pretty good devoted fan base, and , like most bands, that's all they probablly wish for. Do you wanna see Steve's face on the cover of Time, People, and every rock mag in the free world like Bono or someone like that??? NOt me. And I don't think Steve either. The Church's music is very personal stuff. Its not party music. You don't hear it at frat parties. Its not blasted out of college dorm windows like Guns N' Roses or AC/DC shite. Its good that ya'll have found their charm but do you want Myrrh on every frat boy and 15 year-olds' lips? They wouldn't take it anyway. Stop trying to shove the Church down people's throats. That's the quickest way to ruin a great band. later timB From 213170596@UCIS.VILL.EDU Fri May 20 12:58 PDT 1994 From: 213170596@UCIS.VILL.EDU (timB) Subject: another test this is a test. my subscription is really screwed up. sorry for the inconvinience. timB From djbarnard@ucdavis.edu Fri May 20 13:20 PDT 1994 From: "David J. Barnard" Subject: KFOG concert ? Cc: the church On 20 May 1994, Bill Wilson wrote: > Yep, still got KFOG on my schedule. It is not a show for the public so I > guess that will not mention it to people. The performance will be broadcast > over the air at 8 pm June 5th in front of 20 winners. > Bill, OK. I guess my next question should be directed to you since KFOG doesn't know or won't tell me they're doing this-- HOW DO I GET TO BE ONE OF THE TWENTY WINNERS? I mean, here we are all Chruch fans for years upon years, and you choose a radio station (or, did THEY choose you??) where the station hasn't ever played a song let alone an album by The Church. When I called them, the DJ was clueless and thought I was asking about some Christian social event. It' *RIDICULOUS* that we have to be one of the LUCKY FEW to go see our favorite band. Please pardon my irrevernce to the corporate hierarchy of decision making going on at Arista-- it just seems to me that a *BETTER* method of getting The Church into radio stations would be to have the fans *DEMAND* it. Let's say they were actually releasing a NEW album (which is happening on Tuesday) and they had a PUBLIC tour -- wow I think some people at radio stations would start to take notice. In fact, if you start linking albums together -- and remind people of Under The Milkyway and Unguarded Moment and Metropolis -- you might realize you don't need to SELL The Church to *PRESS* but rather make it available to the consumer (fans bring friends to concerts and the friends go home and then buy the albums while requesting The Church on radio stations!) I'm glad I'm seeing The Church in Sacramento! Don't get me wrong about that, BUT I've been waiting since July 10, 1990 (after the finished up the concert at the Warfield) for another tour. Priest=Aura didn't make much noise (and the blame shouldn't be put on the group or the fans) so you didn't bring them to America. I was just fantasizing about seeing them more than once! IN FACT, I have three friends who would've traveled to all the shows on the Pacific Coast. It's too bad we can't bring our friends to these shows or even go ourselves. Every album Arista has released by The Church, I've bought. Three of my friends have bought every album. I know over twenty people who own multiple Church albums. So who needs to sell the Press, just deliver it to the consumer and let me tell you WE'LL MAKE NOISE! When I leave this town after graduation, I'm going to be giving all of my close friends copies of Church albums. BUT, if they won't ever be able to really experience the *TRUE* sound of The Church in concert (which made me love them even MORE), I don't know if I'll bother. I appreciate all the help you've given our group, and in NO WAY am I speaking for the group. The free promo tapes were great. BUT you have to understand where I'm coming from. I've been looking forward to this for a very long long time. YOU BETTER TELL US THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A TOUR!!!! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Thanks for the info, dave dave barnard davis, california djbarnard@ucdavis.edu From 74214.2445@CompuServe.COM Fri May 20 14:24 PDT 1994 From: Bill Wilson <74214.2445@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Re: KFOG concert ? Hey Dave Barnard, Ever think press is asking for the group. It is very rare for a label to push a group on the press. The Church is a great group thus there is great demand for them, press, radio, fans, retail. The KFOG performance will be at The Plant and broadcast live over the air at 8:00 pm. That can reach a lot of listeners and hopeful people who are not familiar with The Church will hear it and like it (or at least have a chance to judge it for themselves.) Everyone feels great about the new record -- the single will be aired on 120 minutes this weekend on MTV. A tour looks likely, but a tour is not up to the label but rather the band and their management and agent. Hope this helps you out. And realize we are all on the same side, label and fans. Bill at Arista From 74214.2445@CompuServe.COM Fri May 20 14:53 PDT 1994 From: Bill Wilson <74214.2445@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Church - 120 minutes Hey Dave Barnard, Ever think press is asking for the group. It is very rare for a label to push a group on the press. The Church is a great group thus there is great demand for them, press, radio, fans, retail. Press is a great way for all fans (not just internet users) of The Church to get new information and expose the band to many people. Press wants The Church. The KFOG performance will be at The Plant (with 20 winners there) and broadcast live over the air at 8:00 pm. That braodcast can reach a lot of listeners (including you) and hopeful people who are not familiar with The Church will hear it and like it (or at least have a chance to judge it for themselves.) KFOG wants the band and no other station has asked so it is them or nobody -- I would think you would like a live broadcast as opposed to nothing. Everyone feels great about the new record -- the single will be aired on 120 minutes this weekend on MTV. A tour looks likely, but a tour is not up to the label but rather the band and their management and their agent. Hope this helps you out. And realize we are all on the same side, label and fans. If you want the band to tour and release more singles, b-sides. etc, I would think you would realize this can be accomplished by having the group exposed to the people and this "promotional tour" serves this purpose. Every fan would like to see the group live (hell, many of you have emailed about having the group stop by your house) but as a fan you have to understand what is best for the band is not always what is best for you. It was our decision as a label to release a 2 cd set as well as a single cd, so that the fans had the option of buying the second cd for only an additional $2. And the single cd allows new fans to buy the one cd for a lower price. I am here to try and answer any questions you may have, but it was not my idea to be here to defend the label or why certain radio stations our being visited or why press is being done or why they are not coming to your house. Have a good weekend and catch the video on 120 minutes, see you all Monday:) Bill at Arista :) From brenta@microsoft.com Fri May 20 15:42 PDT 1994 X-Msmail-Message-Id: 296A6D27 X-Msmail-Conversation-Id: 296A6D27 X-Msmail-Wiseremark: These pretzels are making me thirsty From: Brent Aliverti Subject: RE: Church - 120 minutes Hey Bill, Just wanted to drop you a line and say (and I think this goes for many of us) that we appreciate you being on the list and keeping us informed. Thanks! brent From gsa@panix.com Fri May 20 16:46 PDT 1994 From: Gary Assa Subject: questions without answers How does this America on-line thing work? Do they answer questions in real-time, or is it just posting allowed. How do I know the Church will really be answering and some some hired gun? Can I just call or do I need their software? Also, A good point about these "promo" shows. Are any being recorded for realese or airplay? Please post a list of which will be broadecast so we people out here can tape it and send it to those who are not in cities where we can hear it over the air. I am pissed off that as a fan I can't go to any show without some "catch," but if I can hear it live on the air, that is an acceptable alternative. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- * The first thing we do let's kill all the lawyers _Shakespeare * ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From john.brownosullivan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Sat May 21 01:41 PDT 1994 X-Sender: ou005076@brandywine.otago.ac.nz From: john.brownosullivan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (John Brown-O'Sullivan) Subject: Questions for 'The Church Live On-Line' I've been listening to the discussion about the Church tour, and as an inhabitant of a small pacific country, all I can say that at least you get to hear them live, even if it's over the radio. Over here it's a different story. In any case, I can't help feeling that the all-acoustic 'showcase' tour might be a bit of a disappointment. I mean, I regard the Church as an 'electric' band - can you imagine them doing an acoustic version of 'Aura' or 'Ripple', anyone? I feel that without Peter Koppes and JDD (or Ploog - why did he leave?) the Church aren't qualified to go on a real tour. If anyone is interested, I suggest they read the interview 'Smoking in the Church' in Australian Rolling Stone last year, where SK and MWP stated very emphatically that they weren't going to tour again, except for acoustic showcases. Anyway... Karl Reinsch said: >Hey guys! I just got one of those free-trial disks in the mail yesterday. >So, I'm going to try AOL out just for the Church conference. So, if anyone >has any specific questions for me to ask, please say so! And anything else >you would like me to pass along to the guys. > I'd like to take you up on that, Karl. Here are a couple of questions: 1. Ask SK to tell us about the album he is planning to do with Shayne Carter of Straitjacket Fits - get as many details as possible, please. SJF are very big here in NZ, or rather they were until they broke up. And SK suggests SJF's 'Melt' was a big influence on 'Priest=Aura' (see the NZ add for P=A). 2. Ask SK about his literary influences - ie 'Please name your favourite authors, Steve, and your all-time favourite books. What influence have they played on your music?'. I'm serious - follow it up by asking 'Have you published any more poetry / writings since the poems for 'Earthed?'' 3. Same for musical influences. Some of you might know all this already, but I don't! Get both SK and MWP to name their influences from their earlier years, and what modern bands they enjoy. 4. How important are drugs in the creative process? Several of the songs in P=A refer to drugs, a lot of them sound like they were composed in a 'transcendental' state, and anyway, they smoke hash during interviews, so I doubt they will take offence. 5. I haven't heard the new album yet, but can you pass on this suggestion, even if it is a lone one: for the next album, they should carry on in the direction signposted by 'Fog' and 'Nightmare' - ie, heaps of distant feedback and white noise, and scary vocals - don't let success mellow you! That's all, but since I don't know how to take part in On-Line, I'll have to rely on you guys to fill me in. Can someone work out a way of saving the entire session and transmitting it thru the listserver? Thanks John From anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Sat May 21 04:25 PDT 1994 Reply-To: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Organization: Xymox UUCP System, Melbourne Australia From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Re: (none) Dean says: > I think P=A is one of the best produced Australian album > ever!! It's not too bad - pity about all that high-frequency whining that pervades most of the tracks, though. :) -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au those herbal-tea moments." - Caroline Sullivan of The Guardian reviewing the new "Victoria Amos" album. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Sat May 21 04:55 PDT 1994 Reply-To: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Organization: Xymox UUCP System, Melbourne Australia From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Re: REVIEW: THE CHURCH - SOMETIME ANYWHERE Gary Assa states: > Mort: > Thanks for the unbiased opinion. I haven't got it yet, but I can also be > un-biased. I loved everything by the Church through starfish, then it > started going downhill. I think P=A was absolute shit with not a single > song having a tune. It seems P=A has divided Church fans like no other album. I personally love the album, I love its sense of humour and adventure, and "Ripple" is one of the best things that Kilbey's ever done. As is "Paradox". As is "Lustre". I've been hearing for the last six months that the new Church album is incredible, and I'm looking forward to hearing it immensely. Naturally I'll express my opinion of it here! :-) > It's just like people who loved the sex pistols. They cannot say that > Johnny Lydon(Rotten) really sucks now. There is no resemblence to any old > material and it is total shit. But no one will admit it. Thank you for > the truth. PIL's "9" is shit? Naah. It's brilliant. Lydon's finest moment. It does surprise me how many times fans of a band gravitate towards the early material, the stuff they heard first, and hold everything that comes thereafter in its shadow. If you want "Of Skins And Heart" or "The Blurred Crusade" again, put 'em on and listen to them. I'd rather hear Kilbey and Marty move into interesting and exciting new territory. Heck, I remember everyone slamming "Seance" when it came out, and it's one of my favorite Church albums. And I *like* the Nick Launay drum sound! :-) -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au those herbal-tea moments." - Caroline Sullivan of The Guardian reviewing the new "Victoria Amos" album. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From gsa@panix.com Sun May 22 07:18 PDT 1994 From: Gary Assa Subject: Re: Questions for 'The Church Live On-Line' Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM How about aksing a question I always wanted to ask: I know you're always aksed what bands influenced you and what bands you really admire, but please tel me what band(s) you really despise and think have no talent (excluding rap bands because none of them have any talent)? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- * The first thing we do let's kill all the lawyers _Shakespeare * ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From tlovell@eng.umd.edu Sun May 22 11:13 PDT 1994 From: Thomas Alan Lovell Subject: church DC show does anyone know the details of the DC show slated for 5/25? previous posts listed it as an outdoor show at faragut square. is it for everyone? (as opposed to press-only, which prob. isnt the case if it's outdoors.) how much are tix & how can they be obtained? (bill, any info on this??) i'd appreciate any details to me or the list, cuz it's only 3 days away... alan From barmiyan@wam.umd.edu Sun May 22 16:32 PDT 1994 From: Amy Rebecca Ewing Subject: Re: church DC show tlovell@end.umd.edu writes: >does anyone know the details of the DC show slated for 5/25? previous posts >listed it as an outdoor show at faragut square. is it for everyone? >(as opposed to press-only, which prob. isnt the case if it's outdoors.) >how much are tix & how can they be obtained? (bill, any info on this??) >i'd appreciate any details to me or the list, cuz it's only 3 days away... Since the event sounds like something for the WHFS 'cafe' I thought they would have given some info on it by now. Nope, I haven't even heard the #@#%-ing new single yet. Doesn't the single usually get released about two weeks before the album? If so why am I not hearing it? Is it WHFS or Arista? If it's the former, they are really screwing up since 1) the band will be playing live for them this week and 2) for the P=A release they had a 'Church weekend' playing tracks from the (then) yet-to-be-released album. No such thing this time. I can only wonder why. I can only wonder why I haven't heard the single...or why I haven't heard a peep about the album coming out in two days...or why they are keeping mum about the show in DC. It just makes no sense to me. Anyway I guess it all means it's just a radio gig and if people show up then they get a treat. Hmmph. disgruntled, Brian (not Amy) From pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Sun May 22 20:43 PDT 1994 From: pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Subject: mtv This question is mainly for Bill @ Arista: During their Gold Afternoon Fix tour, the Church appared live on MTV's 120 minutes and talked about the new album etc. I know that the new video is supposed to debut tonight, but is there any such appearance planned while Steve and Marty are in New York? -paul also, thanks for all the tour/release info !! From anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Sun May 22 22:15 PDT 1994 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Re: Church - 120 minutes Bill at Arista writes: : is best for the band is not always what is best for you. It was our decision : as a label to release a 2 cd set as well as a single cd, so that the fans had : the option of buying the second cd for only an additional $2. And the single : cd allows new fans to buy the one cd for a lower price. Whereas here in Australia, everyone who buys the album in its initial release will get the extra CD for free... :-) -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au those herbal-tea moments." - Caroline Sullivan of The Guardian reviewing the new "Victoria Amos" album. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mrgreen@mame.mu.OZ.AU Sun May 22 22:42 PDT 1994 Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Subject: Re: Church - 120 minutes <9405230358.19a0@xymox.apana.org.au> From: matthew green >Whereas here in Australia, everyone who buys the album in its initial release >will get the extra CD for free... :-) thats because we are ten-leete From pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Mon May 23 06:23 PDT 1994 From: pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Subject: church online Karl, I have a question for the Church on America Online: I have always wondered about the song writing process, particularly steve's, with all the solo work and side projects going on. The question would be what does he do to write somgs for each project, does he come up with a song idea and then decide which project it should be recorded for (and if so, what are some of the things involved in the decision, ie. what qualities would make it a jack frost song as opposed to Hex or a solo release?). Or, does he decide he needs to write some jack frost songs (probably with Grant MacClennan) and write with a project in mind? I think the latter is probably how it's done, but I'm curious to know if there are any criteria for a song idea becoming a church song, a solo song, hex song etc. Also, how about the new video? It's nice to see that the beard is gone, and Steve is dressing like he used to for videos (I don't know, it seems sort of like a connection to their earlier days, rather than the more recent (though probably more stylish) look). As for Marty, well, I think he's looked better. It's a good video though, it reminds me most of "already yesterday" I think. And the album cover? Not what I expected, sort of a strange hybrid of a Monty Python cartoon and Micheal Jackson's "Dangerous". But oncw it's in my grubby hands tomorrow, I'll take a closer look. 24 hours and counting paul From powell@Kodak.COM Mon May 23 06:58 PDT 1994 Reply-To: powell@Kodak.COM From: powell@Kodak.COM (Richard W. Powell ESD) Cc: I118271@Kodak.COM Subject: more of the same The Church may be fortunate that Arista is not run by our distribution list !!! It sounds like many of us would prefer they simply re-record our personal favorite album rather than continue to experiment & evolve musically. Personally, I look forward to being surprised by this next release. I'll be disappointed if these new recordings sound just like something they've done before. I expect more from the boys. Bill@arista - does this mean we might be qualified to be "record company executives" ?? (heh heh). Seriously though, I hope none of us ever stop having opinions. I think it's great that we 'admitted Church fans' openly criticize & question the band. - dick (powell.kodak.com) PS: I can't resist adding: "Of Skins And Heart" stinks "Heyday" is OK "Kilbeys early solo singles" are very enjoyable "Starfish" sounds ordinary "Art Attack" has no musical merit what-so-ever "Hindsight" is too expensive "The Slow Crack" is unbelievable "Gold Afternoon Fix" is very good "Re-mindlessness" is the anti-Slow Crack (well, most of it) "Priest=Aura" is great "Nightmare" (song from the Ripple EP) is fantastic "CD singles with just remixes" are boring "Curious (Yellow))" is impossible to find "Sometime, Anywhere" will probably be different that the other ones ***************************************************************************** "Its funny to think that when we listen to his new record we're hearing what the he was into last year, and by now he's already into something else." - An friend of mine said this once about Peter Gabriel (or was it Neil Young??? - I can't remember, but I wish I'd said it) ***************************************************************************** From mosk Mon May 23 08:34 PDT 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: 2 places at once I turned on the radio as soon as I started driving in to work this morning, and what do I hear? Yep, the new single. Suddenly I didn't mind Bay Area commuter traffic.. :-) I checked my dial, and it was set to 104.5 which is KFOG, the station they appearantly will broadcast live on on 6/5. The station has obviously changed it's format since the last time I listened to it. They now announce themselves as "Quality Rock - True Variety". The Church song was followed by "Sultans of Swing" and a track by Pete Townshend, and was nicely introduced as "2 Places at once by the Church, from their new album Sometime Anywhere". My apologies to Bill and Arista for doubting their choice, it seems like this is an appropriate station for Church promotions after all. And I do believe KFOG has a big percentile of the listener market here in the area. And the song is perfect for radio in my opinion. Only 25 hrs and 42 mins to release time!!!!!!! :-) -morten From vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu Mon May 23 08:40 PDT 1994 via MS.5.6.pcs22.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4c_411; From: Vernon H Harmon Subject: Re: mtv Cc: Hmm. Finally heard 2PAO last night on 120 Mins. Ummmm.... It was interesting. I didn't really take to it, but, then again, I was busy trying to take in as much of the video as possible. It was nice to see the album cover, though -- definitely looks like the coolest cover yet! :) BTW: Speaking of MTV, Bill, is there any chance we'll ever see a release of the Church Unplugged material? Even if they're just slapped on CD-5's as extra-b-sides I'd be happy, since the appearance was made before I had gotten into the Church. Also, if there's anyone on the list who's in Pittsburgh: I called WDVE last night during "Brave New World" (their "alternative" 2-hour show, Sundays @ 10pm) and requested 2PAO (I couldn't wait until 120 minutes to hear it) but they didn't have it on the playlist. Russ (the DJ) said he would make a note of it and talk to Chris Winter (the music director) about getting it on next week, so tune in! :) It's actually an enjoyable show -- '80's and '90's "alternative" music and sometimes '80's "pop" songs. --Vernon. From rfd@buclaa.bu.edu Mon May 23 08:45 PDT 1994 From: rfd@buclaa.bu.edu (Richard F. Delano) Subject: Church in Boston Phew! I won a pair of tickets for Friday night's Church show in Boston! Although I still despise the idea of having to win tickets from a radio station, I can no longer complain so vigorously :) At least the radio station is trying to weed out some of the casual fans by making you answer a question of sorts. I had to identify a snippet of a song (Tantalized), although I want to smack the DJ who gave away tickets for answering this question "SK and MWP are from which band?" Arg. If anyone else is trying to get tix for the Boston show, let me know if I can help! Rich Boston Univ. :) From MADHOUSE94@aol.com Mon May 23 09:54 PDT 1994 From: MADHOUSE94@aol.com Sender: "MADHOUSE94" Subject: Re: church DC show As listed on the updated list, the DC show on 5/25 is at Franklin Sq. at 12pm. It is an outdoor show so go check it out. As for which shows are to be broadcast, that is on the list as well. Glad to see you all trusted me on the WFOG matter :) Hope you all enjoy the new record, and those of you who can join us tonight on America On-Line at 10 pm est., have your questions ready -- it should be great :) Thanks for all the positive comments, as for the all the others, so be it. UPDATED SCHEDULE, 5/23 ********THE CHURCH WIL BE ON-LINE LIVE MONDAY MAY 23rd at 10:00 pm EST. through America On-Line 1 800 827 - 6364************************** As you all know, Steve Kilbey and Marty Willson Piper from The Church will be perfroming promotional acoustic shows in May and June. The following is all of the specific information currently available. I will update you as new information becomes available. 5/23 New York (Press) 5/24 New Jersey WHTG (Performance in New Brunswick with tickets given away by the station) 5/25 Washington DC (WHFS Outdoor lunch show at Franklin Sq) 5/26 Providence (WBRU will give away tickets to show) 5/27 Boston (WFNX show at Local 186) 5/28 Cleveland (WENZ Anniversary Show, Nautica outdoor) 5/29 Charleston (WAVF taping) 5/30 Atalnta (99X taping show for *Broadcast later) 5/31 Memphis (96X show at PR tracks, station winners) 6/2 St. Louis (KPNT show at Mississippi Nights, free show) 6/3 Denver KTCL Music Link *Broadcasr live 6/4 Denver KTCL outdoor show in afternoon at Fiddler's Green 6/5 San Francisco (KFOG contest winners-taping at The Plant *Broadcast Live) 6/6 Sacramento (show at State Campus) 6/7 Seattle (KNND show at Sit & Spin, station winners) 6/8 Portland (KBBT winners) 6/9 Salt Lake City (X96 show at Tower Theatre) 6/10 Los Angeles (Press) 6/12 San Diego (91X Sun Fest at San Diego State 3:45pm) 6/13 Phoenix (TENTATIVE) 6/14 Las Vegas (KEDG) Bill at Arista (Madhouse94@aol.com) From mca4860@tamuts.tamu.edu Mon May 23 10:26 PDT 1994 From: mca4860@tamuts.tamu.edu (Mark C Ashton) Subject: bye for now Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, it's too bad that i have to leave this list for awhile as the new album is just being released and attacked along with the last 2 albums. Just give it some time folks! i hated GAF at first, but always find myself putting it on now. Anyways, i tell a bit about myself (even though i am leaving this address, but will be back again.) I guess i started in '89 as Starfish and Heyday were the first 2 albums i got. Still love them to this day. Then i went to Europe for a year and got even more hooked on the band with Seance ringing in my ears most of the time. i met an Aussie who gave me parts of Hindsight and Sing Songs. He talked about the band like it was taught in school. He said that they broke up, but he was shocked to see P=A! So, i have never seen them in concert or any solo gigs either. I like the MWP stuff a bunch and have started collecting SK's stuff. Hex and Jack Frost are cool, too. But hey, I'll give the new album an open mind no mattter the reviews. It sounds like it isn't that horrible. I just got a surprise myself with one of my other favorite bands, RIDE. Their new single is very different from their earlier stuff and disappointing. So at least the church hasn't totally lost it (from reviews here) like RIDE seems to have. But that's just from the single. So that's my 2 cents to the list. mark From anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Mon May 23 12:30 PDT 1994 Reply-To: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Organization: Xymox UUCP System, Melbourne Australia From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Re: Questions for 'The Church Live On-Line' Gary Assa said: > How about aksing a question I always wanted to ask: > > I know you're always aksed what bands influenced you and what bands you > really admire, but please tel me what band(s) you really despise and > think have no talent (excluding rap bands because none of them have any > talent)? Interesting question to ask a man who produced a record containing a rap. Have a listen to "Bohemia" by Mae Moore again... Seriously, I doubt that such a question would elicit much more of a response than simple disdain. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au those herbal-tea moments." - Caroline Sullivan of The Guardian reviewing the new "Victoria Amos" album. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Mon May 23 12:32 PDT 1994 Reply-To: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Organization: Xymox UUCP System, Melbourne Australia From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Australian release date delayed Sorry to all Australian readers - this is news you won't want to hear, but I'm going to tell you anyway. :) The Australian release date for the Church album has been put back to June 6th instead of the previously announced May 30th. This is apparently a final date. This info arrived by fax from White/Mushroom today. A single will now precede the album, but no date for that was given. The single will be "Two Places At Once". Looks like plans for a different Australian single were shelved. Initial copies of the album will include the 7 track bonus disc packaged with the album proper in a standard jewel-case sized double pack. No details on the actual quantity of the double pack yet; I'll try and find that out. The double CD will sell for the same price as the single one which will eventually replace it. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au those herbal-tea moments." - Caroline Sullivan of The Guardian reviewing the new "Victoria Amos" album. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dwp@maths.uq.oz.au Mon May 23 17:10 PDT 1994 From: Dean Podlich Why on earth is the Australian release of the new album, keep getting put back. I am very very disappointed. Does anybody else think also weird that their promoting (touring) America BEFORE Australia??? What's the story!!! From mosk Mon May 23 18:03 PDT 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: CLOUDS Ok, ok, I promised to not promote the Clouds anymore on this list, but too bad! :-) The band delivered 3 fuckin' amazing (pardon the Madonna language) shows here in San Francisco over the weekend. This band is awesome on CD, and even better live (does that make them awesome+ ?) I have started a Clouds mailing list too, if you want to join (some of you are already on it) let me know.... And yes, Anthony, they said "Hi...and tell him to say hi to Cameron too!" Trish and Jodi are Goddesses.... :-) -morten From kwr08495@acuvax.acu.edu Mon May 23 20:58 PDT 1994 From: "Karl W. Reinsch" Subject: Re: Questions for 'The Church Live On-Line' Anthony Horan wrote: >Gary Assa said: > >> How about aksing a question I always wanted to ask: >> I know you're always aksed what bands influenced you and what bands you >> really admire, but please tel me what band(s) you really despise and >> think have no talent (excluding rap bands because none of them have any >> talent)? > >Interesting question to ask a man who produced a record containing a rap. >Have a listen to "Bohemia" by Mae Moore again... > >Seriously, I doubt that such a question would elicit much more of a response >than simple disdain. Actually, the response was: Richard Marx, Peter Murphy, Soul Asylum, Ace Of Base, AC/DC, and Michael Bolton. AOL will have a typo-corrected and edited version of the session available in a few days. I'm not sure if it could legally be reposted here. Bill@Arista, do you have any idea? I can give the answers to various questions from the list and/or provide the session log when it becomes available. All told, I'm glad that I didn't have to pay for it. Most of the audience and questions were really bad. Lots of "I sure like Starfish" and "will this record be like Starfish?". Steve and Marty's answers were quite facetious, and rarely very deep. Which is probably how they stayed in a good mood. -karl. From vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu Tue May 24 08:20 PDT 1994 via MS.5.6.pcs18.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4c_411; From: Vernon H Harmon Subject: SA + SE! Cc: Just bought the new CD and got the bonus disc! Yay! They only had 2 at the store I went to.... Very cool packaging! From the outside, the only ways to tell it's got 2 CD's are from the little "2 CD" on the front-spine, or from the 1.5" plastic bars on the top and bottom. You open it up like a normal CD (to the left), then flip the CD out to the right to reveal "Somewhere Else"! It even has a track listing and times for SE on the inside of the back "cover"! But it's missing lyrics for both!! WAAAAH! :( Now I guess I got me some work to do! ;D One question, though: is that "valid" Japanese or Indian or Chinese or something going around MWP and SK's heads on the cover? If so: WHAT DOES IT SAY? I gotta know! :D And what do the other 3 little banners say? (two at the top left, one at left-center under the angel) --Vernon, about to put it on for his own first listen (FINALLY!) From vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu Tue May 24 08:22 PDT 1994 via MS.5.6.pcs18.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4c_411; From: Vernon H Harmon Subject: Re: SE + SA Cc: Oops! You can also tell it's 2 CDs because it lists both of them on the back cover! :) hehe. (and there's a sticker on the shrink-wrap that says so also, but I thought that was a little too obvious to mention...) --Vernon. From mosk Tue May 24 08:26 PDT 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: SE + SA > From vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu Tue May 24 08:20:21 1994 > > Just bought the new CD and got the bonus disc! Yay! > They only had 2 at the store I went to.... > Wah! Still another 96 minutes 'till the stores open here in California... -m From vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu Tue May 24 09:19 PDT 1994 via MS.5.6.pcs18.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4c_411; From: Vernon H Harmon Subject: Re: SE + SA Cc: Gah! I retract my earlier statement: it's about impossible to get the CDs out! grrr... I decided to listen to SE first, since it hasn't been reviewed yet. It's exactly 30:00 long, 7 songs. (SA is over 73 minutes, BTW) Oh, and the CD cost me $16 and change, which is the usual cost of a single CD. THANK YOU ARISTA!!!!!! :D :D :D :D DROUGHT: sounds like a drum-machine on this one MWP guitar, SW lead vocals doesn't sound like any bass or anything else respectable song, but nothing impressive or remarkable Hmph. It claims that Ploog and Koppes played on this one. Nice guitar intermingling but the drumming sounds uninspired. THE TIME BEING: "ethereal" keyboards interesting song....sounds like a P=A'er "washing away...the statues of Sharon Stone"?? That's what it sounded like that lyric was! :) LEAVE YOUR CLOTHES ON: is that bass or not? MWP sings backing vocals. sounds like it's about an out-of-body experience, or out-of-body travel. Cool song. CUT IN TWO: Yes! "Crunchy" guitar opener! This kicks! "cut in two/that's the kind of ship I'm running cut in two/that's the kind of spell I'm casting" Reverb solos (or is it just backwards?). "ghostly" backing vocals. This is a great song! THE MYTHS YOU MADE: MWP vocals. more reverb guitars more "sophisticated" Spirit Level type song very nice chorus and background guitar work FREEZE TO BURN: distorted vocals (I'm not sure how they're distorted, but it sounds kind of like a bullhorn?) very different song. I like it "you've got to freeze until you burn" MACABRE TAVERN: interesting sounds and drums and synths nice almost-wah-wah guitar very Golden Dawn-ish/Chaos-ish vocals: whispering and intermingled to the point of mostly-non-recognition cool song! There you go. If the album sounds like this. I'll be happy!!!!! --Vernon. From anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Tue May 24 10:17 PDT 1994 Reply-To: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Organization: Xymox UUCP System, Melbourne Australia From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Re: CLOUDS Morten: > Ok, ok, I promised to not promote the Clouds anymore > on this list, but too bad! :-) > > The band delivered 3 fuckin' amazing (pardon the Madonna language) > shows here in San Francisco over the weekend. This band is > awesome on CD, and even better live (does that make them awesome+ ?) :-) Now the US gets to discover what we in Australia have known for years. The Clouds are amazing on record, but yes, they are indeed fuckin' amazing live! > And yes, Anthony, they said "Hi...and tell him to say hi to > Cameron too!" Really? Cool! :-) I'll pass on the hello to Cam... did they look surprised that someone in San Fransisco was passing on messages from Melbourne? > Trish and Jodi are Goddesses.... :-) Now I'm really going to have to transcribe that interview... :-) -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au those herbal-tea moments." - Caroline Sullivan of The Guardian reviewing the new "Victoria Amos" album. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Tue May 24 10:28 PDT 1994 Reply-To: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Organization: Xymox UUCP System, Melbourne Australia From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Re: (none) Dean Podlich asks: > Why on earth is the Australian release of the new album, > keep getting put back. There are many reasons why this happens: late delivery of discs or artwork (unlikely in this case seeing as the album's been finished for an eternity), advertising budget constraints, clashes with other important releases from the same label (Hunters And Collectors' new album, for one), etc etc. It's only a week's delay, so it's not too bad. I'm supposedly getting an advance copy this week, so reports will follow. In the meantime, I heard today about an Australian (?) compilation to raise money for environmental awareness, featuring various Australian performers, inluding, according to my source, a brand new track by The Church. I'm picking the disc up tomorrow, whatever it is, so I'll have more info then. > Does anybody else think also weird that their promoting (touring) > America BEFORE Australia??? > What's the story!!! Well, we *did* get a Kilbey solo tour (with bonus Margot, no less!) so don't feel too bad. According to Mushroom we will get some sort of tour soon. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au those herbal-tea moments." - Caroline Sullivan of The Guardian reviewing the new "Victoria Amos" album. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From @PUCC.PRINCETON.EDU,@DUVM.OCS.DREXEL.EDU:SG938Q7H@DUVM.OCS.DREXEL.EDU Tue May 24 10:56 PDT 1994 From: Susan Zalenski Subject: every last detail.. I LOVE the cover of "Sometime Anywhere"! :) A Tower Records just happens to be 2 blocks away from my house; I usually avoid shopping there because I'd rather support a smaller business and buy used CD's, but today was an exception--they open at 9 a.m. and I wanted to see the new Church ASAP. So, one of their typically apathetic salespeople digs through a pile of boxes to get the CD, and it turns out that the "Bonus" package CD's didn't arrive with the rest. I should have known better. :) (I just bought it at a place near school and I am dying to get home to hear it) Susan From vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu Tue May 24 11:18 PDT 1994 via MS.5.6.pcs5.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax_ul4; From: Vernon H Harmon Subject: Re: REVIEW: THE CHURCH - SOMETIME ANYWHERE Cc: >THE CHURCH - SOMETIME ANYWHERE >DAY OF THE DEAD - The opening track is unmistakenly the Church. It >starts off with a guitar sound and riff that only they can come up with. >The song itself is not unlike some of the noisier parts of P=A. Ok, cool, >next... Agreed. This is a good song. >LOST MY TOUCH - Hey, what the hell happened here??? The Church wanting >to sound like New Order and the likes? C'mon! The spoken lyrics >(through a megaphone?) is just not what I expect from Steve & Co. >The chorus saves the song somewhat, it pulls it _up_ to the standard >of the worst songs on P=A. The guitar and the lofty production benefits >the song immensly, but in my opinion, not enough. Ok, so it's not what you expect. (this is the same vocal distortion as on Freeze to Burn, BTW) It's still a good song, IMO. I agree that the chorus is the best part of the song, but it's not *that* bad. >LOVEBLIND - Starts out very nicely with a keyboard pattern and some >very nice acoustic guitar notes from Marty. As soon as the vocals >come in though, the whole mood of the song changes, and it's not for >the better.... The guitar solo (acoustic) kind of leaps at you and >makes you jump, and you quickly realize that you had nodded off. This >song is sleep-inducing. A very mediocre song by Church standards. That sounds like more than just an acoustic guitar solo, that sounds like a spanish guitar solo! This is a bizarrely cool song! It's a song about a "man with no face"! You can't beat that! >MY LITTLE PROBLEM - The song starts off very promising, with familiar >Church traits such as nice guitars and Steve's voice. "Seance" comes >to mind here. The verse builds and builds, and you expect a smashing >chorus, instead the song falls flat on it's face as soon as the chorus >comes in. There just isn't enough changes in this song to keep it >interesting. The guitar in the background actually becomes very annoying >by the end of the track. Oh my, this means so far it's three strikes >kids! Hmm. I have to agree with you on the "building" and "not enough changes" parts. And you're right: that guitar gets DAMN annoying! The guitar phrase is repeated through the whole song, including the chorus. I have a feeling that this would happen when PK was still with the band, but having the extra guitar playing allowed the repetitive phrase to be mixed down, while the arrangement is now sparse enough that it comes to the forefront. I have a feeling, though, that after a few listens, the repetitive guitar will be the main charm of the song. >A sidestep here: Halfway through "My Little Problem" on the first >listen-through I glanced at the song titles. The following immediately >sparng to mind: ""The Day Of The Dead" was the day that Peter >Koppes left the band. "Lost My Touch" aptly describes Steve and Marty's >song-writing capabilities at the moment. "Loveblind" is what I can call >myself if I manage to trick myself into saying what I've heard so far >is good. You see, "My Little Problem" is that I expect the Church to >deliver music no other band is capable of. So far, it sounds like a >sampler-album of "throwaways of the 90's"." It's not pretty.... I disagree. The only song I haven't really liked is MLP, and it's growing on me already! This is a varied set of music, and I *like* that! >Back to the album: >THE MAVEN - Hailed by the inlay-card as a one of the highlights of >the album, highlighting Marty's guitar-playing, naturally made my >expectations sky-high. Again I'm somewhat disappointed. The song >ends up being one long guitar-jam with Marty vs Marty and it only >works halfway. I have both heard and seen Marty do much better than >this. The "counteracting" guitar in the solo seems out of tune and >a product of "hey-let's-put-another-guitar-track-on" and unfortunately >they went with the first take. The background voice on the megaphone/bullhorn during the chorus makes me think of Pink Floyd's "Waiting For the Worms" for some reason, maybe that's why it sounds so out of place to me here. I agree this is somewhat disappointing -- it's not bad, but there's nothing remarkable here. Hmm. The solo isn't bad, but it's definitely not Marty's best. >ANGELICA - Oh no. This track is horrible. It's definetely an experimental >track, with elements of "Art Attack", hip-hop, the Beatles' "Baby You're >A Rich Man" and the odd fiddle thrown in. The song plods away nicely as >a dance song, but kee-rist, it should never have appeared on a Church >album. Mouthwash, Tylenol, warm water and iodine please..... A fiddle, a synthesized sitar, some orchestrations, reverb, vocals from both Steve and Marty, samples. Mmm. I agree with your dissection of the track, Morten, however, I *like* this. This is what hip-hop *should* be. This isn't just experimental, this is nearly-ground-breaking, especially for the Church. Now, don't get me wrong -- I don't want this to become the typical Church song, but this is cool! >LULLABY - Opens side 2 of the promo-cassette. Another mellow song, the >difference is that this one actually works. I can't quite pinpoint what, >but something makes it work. Maybe it's the length (probably the shortest >song on the cassette), maybe it's the lyrics, maybe just Steve's voice. >Or the contrast and relief from "Angelica". Yes, this song is very sparse, but the Marty's guitar and Steve's vocals are co-ordinated very well. This is pretty much the guitar equivalent of a piano-and-vocal arrangement. Very nice. >EASTERN - Another experiment. Electric guitar, bass and a fiddle. As the >title suggests, this is very eastern. It sounds like a raga or something, >and you can see the belly-dancers in the studio. A fun track, but is it >the Church??? Hey that sounds like a banjo in there (or maybe a dobro -- I can't tell the difference)! Now this is one instrumental that I can honestly say doesn't need and would actually be hurt by vocals. I like it. >2 PLACES AT ONCE - I can breathe. Finally something I can definetely say >"Yes, it's the Church, and man is it superb..." Some of you may already >know this song by now, but for those of you who don't... It starts off >very mellow, barely whispering along. Then Steve comes in with the first >verse, creating a mood and a melody line only he can do. It sends shivers >down my spine. The chorus breaks into what can best be described as a >"sing-along" or "football-stadium" anthem. The Church's "We are the >Champions". Then Marty sings the next verse. The song takes on a very >different dimension, where Marty's "Spirit Level" album is hanging over >as a (very pleasant) cloud. Then another chorus and Steve's back. The >mood of the song changes again. The effect of the two changing vocals is >very close to what was achieved by Steve and Karin Jansson (as Curious >Blue) on "Isabella". Beautiful. And underneath all this is a great >soundtrack with a guitar (driven to the max through a leslie-cabinet ?) >that sounds like a wind-harp. Man, this is a good song and a great >choice for the single. I would love to hear this inbetween all the >Pearl-Sonic-Nirvana-Dummies that is played these days... It will be >like spring rain.... Aahhh..... You know what I just realized: this chorus is what the chorus on MLP should sound like -- a resounding crescendo. I dunno yet if I like this song. I really like the chorus, but the verses leave me a little flat -- they're just a little bit too sparse, IMO. I know I'm gonna grow to really like this one, though. >BUSINESS WOMAN - We're somewhat back to old standards with this one, >although it has an almost too-poppy, too-produced tint to it. It does >have a wonderful guitar solo though, and that counts for something. >And it could probably fit very well on Marty's "Rhyme" or even "P=A". Nah, the guitar's a little too folksy/acoustic for P=A methinks. This does sound like something from the "full-set" Church, though: sounds like live drums, layered guitars, a great solo, a solid bass line -- it's all there. A solid, enjoyable song. >AUTHORITY - Another ok song. It has cascading guitars, Steve's voice >and what you would think would be the ingredients to a great song. >Again, the song never quite takes off. It's good, don't misunderstand >me, it just doesn't grab you. It's pleasant background music. Yeah, it's a good song, but it lacks some punch. >FLY HOME - Another "mostly-Marty" track. Probably the best one of >his on this album. It starts of soft and crashes into a chorus >not unlike late-model Pink Floyd! This song is highlighted by a >great bass pattern and some great guitars. yes, here's that bass that's been missing on most of the tracks! It's got cool synth-background noise, too. Cool chorus! >DEAD MAN'S DREAM - The album closer. And another great track. Yes, it's >a great track. Probably my second fave on the album after the single. >It has a great guitar pattern and double-tracked vocals by Steve, with >Marty adding another voice here and there. It works very well. >The song has a very long instrumental part towards the end, which is >very repetetive, but the monotony is broken every now and then by >sudden stops and odd breaks (another fiddle part) and a synthesizer >solo(!). It may sound strange, but it actually works well.... More great bass! Wow! You're right -- this is cool! >I will give it another chance when I actually get the cd (I hate >tapes by default) and can "roam around" a little bit. I am hoping >the additional tracks will be better, but I have a feeling this album >will suffer a fate worse than P=A in my collection; it'll be dragged >out once in a blue moon for a track or two, then nicely put back in, >while I put "Skins And Heart", "Hindsight" or "Starfish" back in the cd >player. This is gonna get a *lot* of playing time on my CD player. I have a problem, though: I have to split time between SA and SE, both of which I like!! What a dilemma! :D Overall, I *think* I can see why Morten didn't like it, but I think it was mostly just not what he expected. I think this is a great album! If you were waiting for somebody to like this album before you bought it, wait no longer! And make sure you get that bonus CD! It's worth it even if you have to pay extra, IMO! --Vernon....now to put this baby on random and see what happens! :) From 213170596@UCIS.VILL.EDU Tue May 24 13:15 PDT 1994 From: 213170596@UCIS.VILL.EDU (timB) Subject: tesing ooops, i meant to write "testing" since this is a test timB From rfd@buclaa.bu.edu Tue May 24 13:43 PDT 1994 From: rfd@buclaa.bu.edu (Richard F. Delano) Subject: SA review (long!) Here's a Church article/SA review from this weeks issue of the Boston Phoenix. Be warned, this sucker is long! DREAM MACHINE The Church strip down for a well-oiled comeback by Brett Milano Can you believe that I'm really sitting here comparing Heather Locklear with the Mona Lisa?" asks an amused Marty Willson-Piper, lead guitarist (and lately one-half) of the Church, by phone from his Stockholm home. Actually, he's just hit on a good explanation of what makes the band and their new SOMETIME ANYWHERE (Arista, in stores May 24) work. "If the Mona Lisa were painted today, the record industry would say, 'Does it have to be so ambiguous? What's she really saying with that smile; can we be a little more specific here?' If that's what you want, you can talk to Heather Locklear. She'll always tell you what's on her mind - she'll even give you beauty tips." Subtlety and ambiguity have long been the Church's stock-in-trade, but it took a good decade before they got it right. The string of early albums had their hypnotic moments but too often turned into agreeable background music. Signing to Arista in 1987, the band put more obvious hooks and more direct lyrics into their two hit albums, STARFISH and GOLD AFTERNOON FIX - both good recordings as compromises go, tightening up the two-guitar/moody vocal sound without watering it down too much. But they didn't hit their peak until they swung back in the other direction. The 1992 PRIEST=AURA dared to stay in a midtempo groove for all of its 70 minutes, and it had everything the Church had always aimed for - beauty, mystery, texture, sensuality. Everything but an obvious single. ("It was the classic introspective, ambiguous Church album," Willson-Piper says.) It flopped miserably, finishing off the band's four-piece line-up. Co-lead guitarist Peter Koppes left following its release and former Patti Smith Group drummer Jay Dee Daugherty was dismissed soon after, leaving only Willson-Piper and singer/bassist Steve Kilbey. label," Willson-Piper remembers. "Steve lived in Sydney and I lived in Stockholm. We walked into a room, looked at each other, and said, 'Right, then. We have no songs, no ideas, and no band. How about C for a chord to start with?" ______________________END of PART 1_______________________________ to be continued.... Rich Boston Univ. From /G=Brian/I=R/S=Seay/O=MAC/PRMD=ALCANET/ADMD=TELEMAIL/C=US/@alcatel.aud.alcatel.com Tue May 24 15:06 PDT 1994 From: Brian R Seay Subject: SA+SE Ua-Content-Id: SA+SE P1-Recipient: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Priority: normal Importance: normal Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text P1-Content-Type: P2 X-Body-Types: IA5-Text Subject: Time:2:47 PM OFFICE MEMO SA+SE Date:5/24/94 Oh happy day! I got them for $12.88. The jewel box makes removing the discs a real bitch! After one listen I can only form one solid conclusion: After repeated listenings through headphones all fucked up, or doing 80 down the highway in the dead of night, I will find at least 45 minutes of music that I will think is great. That's more than I can say for P=A or RL or Seance or Starfish or GAF (about five times more than the amount of good stuff on tBC). With the length of the two discs, there's something there for everyone. It's no masterpiece, and maybe that's what we begin to hope for when there's two years between albums. And imagine: if the album had been cut down to the usual 42 minutes, leaving only the best songs, we would all be wishing that those songs that weren't so great were available as b-sides on CD. Kudoes to Arista for giving us SE for free. I may like it better than SA. From balst9+@pitt.edu Tue May 24 16:55 PDT 1994 From: Bradley A Lewis Sender: Bradley A Lewis Reply-To: Bradley A Lewis Subject: 11:01 am./ IGOTIT!!! All right, so the store I chose to buy IT in opened at eleven am. @ 11:01, after waiting in the car for fifteen minutes, I wander in, the first soul in the store. After about ten seconds, I start hearing something way too nice not to be. Is it? Yes, it was. The very first thing on the stereo!!! I don't know if it was Dead Man's Dream or Day of the Dead or what, but hey if this is representative, I'll be that dead man, dreamin',and in Heaven. That's all I had the chance to hear- I had to go and get ready for teachin and research and that other pointless crap they call grad school- but I've been having flashbacks all day. BTW- That is really a great cover!! There's just one little question I have, is it just me or does it look like Michael J Fox might have replaced our old bass player? From gsa@panix.com Tue May 24 18:16 PDT 1994 From: Gary Assa Subject: a word from me First: Thank you tower roecords for being so understanding. I went to Tower, and all they had was the single version, bot the double. I couldn't wait to go to another store, so I bought it, and figured I'd send in the coupon for disk 2. Well, no coupon inside. What!?!? I called Arista, and as expected, got the fucking run-around from those assholes. They tell me there is nothing they can do about it and that I should write to the comsumer affairs department. Fuck you! I called them 5 times trying to get an answer. I left my number once, and of course they never got back to me. So, I called back tower and asked them about it. They said the didn't unpack the "doubles" at the time I went, and if I come back, they would gladly exchange it for the double, even though I opened it. I had to pay the extrac $3, but I really had no choice, and I am not complaining. Of course my complaint is with Arista. Rude, unhelpful people who don't ant to be bothered by anyone from the outside. I tell you, if I wanted to make an album, there is no way I would want it on the Arista label. My review of the CD will be here in the next coupld of days, along with everyone else's. P.S. did anyone else buy the single version and NOT get a coupon? I bought mine at Tower Records in Carle Place, NY. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- * The first thing we do let's kill all the lawyers _Shakespeare * ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From kwr08495@acuvax.acu.edu Tue May 24 18:43 PDT 1994 From: "Karl W. Reinsch" Subject: re: a word from me >P.S. did anyone else buy the single version and NOT get a coupon? I >bought mine at Tower Records in Carle Place, NY. I live in a town of 110,000 people. We have 4 record stores. 3 of them got 1 copy apiece of SA, 1 of them got 2. NOT A ONE OF THEM HAD THE SECOND CD!!!! I had to buy the single disc, luckily it was only $12.99. Sure enough, NO COUPON. In fact, the booklet only has 4 pages of pictures and some recording information. No coupon, no address, no mention of a second disc at all! Come on, Arista! Do I have to buy a second copy from some other city?! Looking to wring someone's neck, -karl. From mspizuco@sas.upenn.edu Tue May 24 19:56 PDT 1994 From: mspizuco@sas.upenn.edu (Matthew Paul Spizuco) Posted-Date: Tue, 24 May 1994 22:57:06 -0400 Subject: SA/ SE Well I went to Discovery Discs on the campus of UPenn, Phila. and they had the 2-disc release. First, I have to admit, the cover art is great. It may tie Heyday for best cover. I have only listened to the cds once, but I have two problems with it. Before I go into that, it is a good album. Much better than P=A (which I hate). Do I think it is a great Church album? NO. Do I think it would have been a great Steve Kilbey album? Yes. I sat there listening to SA, trying to compare it to other Church albums, when I realized the majority of the album would fit perfectly on any Kilbey release. While I love Kilbey's solo material, I love the group effort that makes up the CHurch more. Where was the MWP influence?? Being a fan of every album, including Remote Luxury (Month of SUndays, Shadow Cabinet) and excluding P=A, I enjoy the prospect of the band moving into new territory. The Church's albums always contained a charged mixture of songs. Some high energy (Tantalized), some intense (Is THis Where You Live), and some moody (Fly/One Day (which should be considered one song for the proper effect)). There are other fitting selections, but I'm doing this off the cuff. With SA/SE, the band isn't trying a new subdued style, they're adopting Steve's monotone solo style. Where is the energy of Marty's guitar to propel Steve's vocals through a surreal lyric??? If there were no solo projects, then this would be a great Church album. A bit slow, musically, but great. The second problem is song length. Why are there several songs over 6 minutes? I'm sorry, but the extra long selections seem to drag on too long. I would have preferred shorter songs, and more of them. I guess that's enough for now. I like the album, but I don't foresee listening to it on a daily basis, like I have done with the other releases for the past 10 years. By the way, these are opinions. If you don't agree, then we'll share some great discussions over the next few weeks/months. If you're really pissed off with me, then get a life, but fuck off first. Thank you and good night. -- Matthew and Melanie MSPIZUCO@SAS.UPENN.EDU "Eventually the continent comes." * * * From LMERIWETHER@macalstr.edu Tue May 24 22:54 PDT 1994 <01HCQC3U92NG8X3QRV@macalstr.edu>; Tue, 24 May 1994 21:01:48 CDT From: skye Subject: rah and megalopolis cd singles X-Vms-To: IN%"seance@thechurch.ebay.sun.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT i think my last mail got lost... i have one copy of each of these, and i'd rather sell them to people here who like them than to a dumb record store. drop me a line if yer interested... --skye From kallista@netcom.com Wed May 25 00:35 PDT 1994 From: kallista@netcom.com (Christopher Barrus) Subject: Sing Songs... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK everyone... I've got a chance to buy a copy of Sing Songs. I have *everything* mostly, including Hindsight and A Quick Smoke At Spots. Is Sing Songs really worth it for the $20 the guy wants? Looking for honest answers really, not a "yeah it sucks horribly... by the way where did you say it was available from?" Thanks, Chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Chris Barrus - kallista@netcom.com "Sacred cows make the best hamburger" - Abbie Hoffman '72 Buick Riviera - Peace through superior automotive power! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From jsalfonso@ucdavis.edu Wed May 25 00:36 PDT 1994 From: jsalfonso@ucdavis.edu Subject: Hooray >One question, though: is that "valid" Japanese or Indian or >Chinese or something going around MWP and SK's heads on the cover? >If so: WHAT DOES IT SAY? I gotta know! :D And what do the other >3 little banners say? (two at the top left, one at left-center >under the angel) > >--Vernon, about to put it on for his own first listen (FINALLY!) wow, i can't believe its here... got mine today (with coupon, sorry to those who got screwed :() Anyways, it's Japanese stuff on the album cover... Around MWP's head it says "The Church" and "Marty Willson Piper," around SK's there is "Sometime Anywhere" and "Steve Kilbey" (well, it's more like "Steve Kirby") The banners in the top left say "The Church" and "Sometime _nywhere," and the one the angel is carrying says "My Little Problem." 6-8 weeks for the other disc? *gasp* Whee Joe ---------- ez014714@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu From matthewk@postoffice.utas.edu.au Wed May 25 05:58 PDT 1994 From: Matthew Kirkcaldie Subject: Re: Sing Songs... Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM On Wed, 25 May 1994, Christopher Barrus wrote: > OK everyone... I've got a chance to buy a copy of Sing Songs. I have > *everything* mostly, including Hindsight and A Quick Smoke At Spots. > Is Sing Songs really worth it for the $20 the guy wants? Listen to "The Night is Very Soft" on Hindsight. If you like the atmosphere and mood of this song as much as I do, you'll love Sing-Songs. The EP was written and recorded very quickly, but just captures some mood which for me is one of the Church's very highest points. The other four tracks are just superb, especially "In This Room" which is one of my top favourites ever. I have the EP, so there's not much point in me talking you out of it! Even if you don't like it, I'm sure there are lots on the list who'd buy it off you, so it's not much of a risk! Buy. Matthew. From /G=Brian/I=R/S=Seay/O=MAC/PRMD=ALCANET/ADMD=TELEMAIL/C=US/@alcatel.aud.alcatel.com Wed May 25 06:17 PDT 1994 From: Brian R Seay Subject: by for now Ua-Content-Id: by for now P1-Recipient: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Priority: normal Importance: normal Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text P1-Content-Type: P2 X-Body-Types: IA5-Text Subject: Time:7:09 AM OFFICE MEMO by for now Date:5/25/94 please unsubscribe brian_r_seay@aud.alcatel.com I'll be back when I have new facilities. From rfd@buclaa.bu.edu Wed May 25 07:23 PDT 1994 From: rfd@buclaa.bu.edu (Richard F. Delano) Subject: Boston Phoenix article II Here's part 2 of the article I began typing in yesterday. Once again, the article is from the May 20th edition of the Boston Phoenix. The article is by Brett Milano. ____________________________________________________________________ "We started out with literally nothing, and the ideas came pouring out like no tomorrow. We jammed the music onto tape, then wrote the words to fit the jams; that's why there are so many long songs on it. (SOMETIME ANYWHERE runs an epic 77 minutes, and the first pressing includes another album-length disc of outtakes.) A band can be a nightmare of compromise. Sometimes the pushing and pulling creates something special, and sometimes it creates the inability to progress." For all its uncharacteristic sounds, SA is still very much a Church album. Kilbey's droll vocal style remains a trademark, as does the tendency to let the songs unfold slowly and dreamily. Still, the diversity makes this a worthy, if spottier, follow-up to P=A. They trip up only when they try to re-create the old band's sound: "Fly Home" and "Two Places at Once" miss the chemistry of two guitarists bouncing energy off a live rhythm section (this album's drum tracks were either programmed or overdubbed). More often, the disc shows Kilbey and Willson-Piper reveling in their sonic freedom. "Day of the Dead" rocks more aggressively than the old band ever did. "Lost My Touch" uses distorted vocals and hip-hop production to menacing effect. The instrumental "Eastern," with banjo imitating a koto, recalls the second half of Bowie's LOW. For the first time, guitars aren't the lead instrument on every track. "Angelica" starts out with an electronic pulse out of U2's ZOOROPA, only to throw in an oddly appropriate violin solo. These experiments work for the same reason the previous album did. The song-writing now makes the most of their nuances - in the gentle but grabbing melodic turns, and in the stories that are suggested in the words. Both are used to fine effect on the disc's highlight, "My Little Problem." To these ears (and I admit I've been reading too much Anne Rice lately), it sounds like something a vampire would tell his mortal companion before administering the Dark Gift, and Kilbey sounds suitably moonstruck. "Remember this day, remember this room, remember the season and I'll remember you / A sudden flash, a sudden light, abandoning the afternoon as it sinks into the night." Whether or not that's what the band had in mind, they crafted a song that slinks along with a vampire's ominous grace. Never exactly grunge monsters to begin with, the Church plan to pursue the quiter direction. Kilbey and Willson-Piper are planning some acoustic radio dates next month. The group they're rehearsing for a full- scale tour includes a violinist, a pianist, and "a guy who looks after the samples." "I don't think you'll be seeing any more of the Church as a mega, foot-in-the-monitor rock group," Willson-Piper says. "From now on there won't be much guitar slinging involved." ________________________END OF ARTICLE____________________________________ Phew! That was even longer than I thought! I hope somebody enjoyed it. Rich Boston Univ. From vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu Wed May 25 07:26 PDT 1994 via MS.5.6.pcs7.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax_ul4; From: Vernon H Harmon Subject: Re: They're coming, they're coming..... Cc: madhouse94@aol.com I just finally called the 800 number. OUCH! It sounds like someone stuck the telephone into a room where the radio was playing really loud! I couldn't hardly understand anything the lady said, and I could hardly make out any of the song either (but you could barely tell it was TPAO, plus she said that's what it was). It was mostly noise. It's a great idea, but, assuming this was put together by Arista, please, Bill, ask them to put together something a little more professional? That sounds like something *I'd* do in my apartment. :( Thanks! --Vernon, who really appreciates Arista's efforts on our (the fans) behalf, though. :) For those who don't have the number: (800) 659-2849 From MADHOUSE94@aol.com Wed May 25 07:33 PDT 1994 From: MADHOUSE94@aol.com Sender: "MADHOUSE94" Subject: GSA@PANIX -- A word from me Sorry for any trouble you may have encountered here at Arista! Do you know who you spoke to???? If you do please let me know. In the future, you know I work at Arista, so please email me or call Arista and ask for Bill Wilson. To try and make up for your troubles, I will send you a new Church poster if you ewould like. Bill at Arista (Madhouse94@aol.com) From vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu Wed May 25 08:35 PDT 1994 via MS.5.6.pcs7.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax_ul4; From: Vernon H Harmon Subject: Re: GSA@PANIX -- A word from me Cc: Wow, Bill. I'm impressed with the effort you're making on our behalf. Are you the "official Arista netrep"? If not, you deserve some recognition for dealing with us! :) --Vernon. From vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu Wed May 25 08:49 PDT 1994 via MS.5.6.pcs7.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax_ul4; From: Vernon H Harmon Subject: Lyrics Cc: I have my attempts at the lyrics for the following: Day of the Dead Lost My Touch Loveblind Lullaby Authority Fly Home The Dead Man's Dream I also have a best attempt at the lyrics for Cut In Two, but I have convinced myself that I will *never* be able to decipher all of the words to that song, since they overlap and jumble so much... *sigh* I will post them as soon as I can get them all typed in. Then I'll start on the other songs. :) --Vernon, one of the lyrics dudes. From pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Wed May 25 09:53 PDT 1994 From: pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Subject: Re: Sing Songs... Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM $20 for sing-songs? yes, definately go for it! Great songs, especially "a diferent man" IMO, and the only Church cover tune as well. Get it, especially at such a low price. -paul From n9282183@janice.cc.wwu.edu Wed May 25 10:16 PDT 1994 From: "Nicole B. Hall" Sender: "Nicole B. Hall" Reply-To: "Nicole B. Hall" Subject: Re: Sing Songs... On Wed, 25 May 1994 pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu wrote: > $20 for sing-songs? yes, definately go for it! Great songs, especially > "a diferent man" IMO, and the only Church cover tune as well. Get it, > especially at such a low price. > -paul Do you mean the only cover (I am a Rock) on an album or EP? I know they've done a couple of covers live, like Dancing Barefoot by Patti Smith. Oh, and definately go for Sing Songs!! I agree with what someone said that In This Room is an AWESOME song. The rest are great too. nicole From powell@Kodak.COM Wed May 25 10:29 PDT 1994 Reply-To: powell@Kodak.COM From: powell@Kodak.COM (Richard W. Powell ESD) Cc: I118271@Kodak.COM Subject: sa/se Luck was with me, I didn't even look to see that I'd picked up the double CD version. I assumed that the entire initial release would be in that format. With something like 100 minutes & 20 songs, this has to be one of the "best buys" going. I like the cover too. Obviously the band takes an interest in the art work. Very interesting. Two discs in one thin (normal) jewel box is very nice too. I agree, it sure is hard to remove the CD's. I don't know how long it took me to get the 1st disc out, but I had time to play the first 2 songs before I finally was able to remove the bonus disc. I was thinking how stupid I'd feel after shattering the whole package. Unfortunately, because of this 'hub' problem, Arista is probably in for a few more unnecessary: "f**king"'s, "a**holes"'s, and "F**k you"'s. I've got to laugh though..., picturing a specific friend of mine when he first tries to open his disc. I'll have to video tape him. All things considered - I like what Arista has done here. I'm not capable of reviewing the record so quickly other than to say it's gotten my attention after one listen. I suppose, if a good single should be instantly memorable, "Business Woman" could be a future candidate. Personally, I'm happy to see the Church stretch out & take you "somewhere else.." with the occasional lengthy track. I wonder how "drought" (recorded in 1987) could have avoided release for long. It sure sounds good to my "untrained ears". Hey Vernon - You've ONLY done lyrics to 7 songs? what's the hold up? (heh heh) - Dick (powell.kodak.com) From rfd@buclaa.bu.edu Wed May 25 10:37 PDT 1994 From: rfd@buclaa.bu.edu (Richard F. Delano) Subject: Various ramblings (short) In contrast to my two previous posts, this is a li'l one! - SING SONGS for $20? Buy it and buy it now! - A full scale tour with a violinist, pianist, and samplist? Intriguing. Of course, now I'm even more saddened I never saw them when they were a "foot-in-the-moniter rock group" - Has anyone been to either of the first two acoustic shows? I assume not since there have been no posts about them. Is anyone going to any of the shows this week or will I be the first on Friday? (That puts a lot of pressure on me for an accurate review :) ) That's it! Still soaking in the new album. It's definitely a grower. Rich Boston Univ. From rfd@buclaa.bu.edu Wed May 25 10:56 PDT 1994 From: rfd@buclaa.bu.edu (Richard F. Delano) Subject: Re: Jewel boxes I forgot to mention something about the jewel boxes. This is my my fourth or fifth disc that uses this type of box. I like it a lot better than those big double disc boxes (ie Hindsight). Be patient with it, the disc gets easier to remove over time. If they make these cases available seperately, I'm kissing all of my old double pack boxes goodbye! So, I like to save space. Rich Boston Univ. PS The last disc I bought with this casing was WILD WOOD by Paul Weller. Buy it From Vernon_Harmon@PROBACTO.SOAR.CS.CMU.EDU Wed May 25 11:12 PDT 1994 25 May 94 14:11:52 EDT Subject: some SA+SE lyrics (first pass) From: Vernon_Harmon@PROBACTO.SOAR.CS.CMU.EDU comments/alternative guesses welcome. --Vernon. -----------------BEGIN INCLUDED MESSAGE---------------- DAY OF THE DEAD 6:46 day of the dead down in mexico you ever been on a holiday? you ever felt that you been here before? you ever been in a desperate way? on the beach stands a donkey who is waiting for you he hee-haws standin' his hoof a fine, blue day as dreamed by the boys nodding up on the roof and in the meetings held in the darkness and in the darkness everyone's blind venereal monsters stand there in velvet and you know you're falling behind drink in a bar down in Leap Motel i get involved with a prisoner she's got a skull like a seraphim i figure she is a messenger she's at the heart of the festival she's got the hands of a picador she asks the spirits for a romance she gets a ghost for a paramour and in the weddings held in the darkness 'cause in the darkness the guests are all blind great lumps are melting wrapped up inside you and I know you're falling behind day of the dead down in mexico we read a book on the alamo we filled the tank up with texaco we buy a trinket for curio we walk mixed up through the marketplace dripping smoke, dollars and aftershave i got the mind of last remain emerging from the trail of scathes climbing out of hell in chains but then the dealers deal in the darkness and in the darkness dealers are blind jokers and aces, bruisy and blackfern you know you're falling behind LOST MY TOUCH 5:40 [spoken:] streets of burnt-out shells insurance jobs a temporary spell in hell and it throbs it throbs like hell in some divine comedy it won't sell and that's the tragedy but i know my way home i can get there alone the day i need you they can feed me to the lions they can stop trying to get it started its heart is gone it's shone for the last time it's past-time it's mean-time held-over in-between-time it's like halloween time [sung:] i don't owe you anything now i'm on the prowl now i've lost my touch please don't touch anything every passsing hour overcomes too much i don't owe you anything there's a weaker weaker in the other speaker a weaker echo of my own voice reproduced mechanically and electronically a symphony of frequencies delivering a slithering sound a pound of flesh caught in the mesh of pressure a special deluxe de-estit(?) you guessed it i'm trembling i don't owe you anything now i've lost my power now i'm out of touch please don't touch anything every passing hour overcomes too much i don't owe you anything now i've lost my mind now i'm out of touch should you would you could you could could you look good back on the street if you get cold you're too old you been told you should've sold your soul it's not worth anything out here not worth the earth you're standing on earth mother earth hurt sweet mother earth what are you worth? i don't owe you anything now i'm on the prowl now i've lost my touch please don't touch anything every passsing hour overcomes too much i don't owe you anything now i've lost my power now i'm out of touch i don't owe you anything, ah please don't touch anything, ah i don't owe you anything, ah i don't owe you anything, ah ah please don't touch anything, ah ah 1 2 3 that's how easy it's gonna be it's tough to get enough and you laugh you laugh but you can't get the staff hold on to the raft it's my craft it's finished kaput it's over finito benito dead fred gone for song my gold hong kong gone for song LOVEBLIND 6:24 have i told you 'bout the case of the man who had no face? trying his wife suspected something that's why she brought me in we arranged to meet one night at a bar called Aphrodite's on second street but when i looked into her eyes i very quickly realized the danger the price was right, a deal was struck i don't think that she gave it a thought it was plain to see that the lady was loveblind it was clear to see it was clear that she was loveblind out into the foggy night into the city's blurry light i drove alone i wondered then what kind of place would make a man whose face... i pieced together clue by clue just what a faceless man would do it wasn't hard who would he love, where would he go places faces where he'd know on second street i was close, i was near but that woman wouldn't hear me it was plain to see that the lady was loveblind it was clear to see it was clear that she was loveblind loveblind next morning came as mornings do i had a shave that was close too a close shave in the mirror in my space, there was a man who had no face i rang my client and i banged on her door i told her it was me that we was lookin' for it was plain to see that the lady was loveblind it was clear to see it was clear that she was loveblind LULLABY 2:59 we come to pay homage to the golden one we share another message of your newborn son we follow paths of falling stars in and out of mangers, other bars opportunity knocked you up, i guess gave you your little baby's success you've got potential, you have the gift you have the chance to heal a million rifts we've been sent to sing a lullaby for you we've been sent to sing a lullaby we've brought oils, gold and wine and bread dreaming pillow for his divine head astrologers all, we plot the charts and wise men, we can look into people's hearts a doom is on this child that i can see he don't belong in this time with you and me his life will not be very long before you know it he will be gone we've been sent to sing a lullaby for you we've been sent to sing a lullaby AUTHORITY 5:08 she says it's ok the rent just went on entertainment but who's gonna say it's just not my day she's got enough stuff to get real tough well, she's the girl who plays the holiday is over, the honeymoon is over the garden's overgrown the trust is rusted, the link's been busted the seeds are sown the sounds of my breath -- what do you expect? -- echo in the hall the ghost of the picture still haunts the master bedroom mirror wall i suppose you'd say she made a fool of me oh, but she has authority it used to be fine days full of music, nights full of music music all the time invisible light i try my best without trans-blessed it used to be fine the chances are used up, the finance is used up the energy is low Larry's our attorney, the others are stunned deliver quite a blow the signs of disaster, I wouldn't put it past her the dagger's in the dark the stale perfume in her old room howl of the shock i suppose you'd say she made a slave of me oh, but she has authority i guess that that's all the curtain comes down and the circus leaves town the leaves begin to fall i guess that that's it the world keeps spinning, people keep sinning and all the rest is just bullshit the shadow's getting longer, the widow's getting younger the cup doth overflow the luxury of pity, babe this wasn't pretty on with the show life is a tangle, the one that you angle is the tangle of life lips you sleep like a baby, precious as a ruby goodbye everything i suppose you'd say she made a fool of me oh, but she had authority the words are all spoken the promises are broken the sleepers are awoken the frogs are all croakin' the fires are all smokin' it's just a token of authority FLY HOME 8:45 listen, collect your thoughts, don't hide if you can't face yourself collide the blue sheet of sky dazzles your eyes but leaves you slumped against the night they captured you, chopped off your hand left for dead and buried your body in sun-soaked sand fly home is there patience where you think oh,the empty arms to take you in pale luminescent glare surrounds you 'til you can't see it's there uncoiled flag below the wind a torn lid you can't come out 'cause you're so far in fly home ancient in the image cast reminds youthe future's like the past time split into equal spheres haunting you using up your fear something hateful in your head then kick it out you're skull and heart but your winds are dead fly home THE DEAD MAN'S DREAM 4:56 once i had a need forgotten now i breathed the air in a century of wonder i can hear it now it the darkness of the earth gorgeous machines, the sound they made like thunder great gardens drip honey-jewels and bright birds the pageants pass down avenues of splendor ah, long afternoons by enchanted panes upon elephants, so well i do remember lords and priests and talking beasts golden calfs and telepaths crystal scones and screaming guns women glowed tattooed with woad colored mists and amethysts men were strong and days were long dragons glide on mountainside mandrake root and angel fruit sighing winds on silver skin relation transubstantiation unicorns, electric storms tunes and runes, we laughed till noon sweet release, eternal peace CUT IN TWO 4:56 cut in two that's the kind of ship i'm runnin' cut in two that's the kind of spell i'm castin' cut in two that's the type of time i'm killin' cut in two that's the kind of song i'm singin' fallin' in, fallin' in, fallin' in love again fallin' in, fallin' in, fallin' in love again separation (don't mind lookin' in through the pine trees) separation (yeah, i'm gettin' hungry) i'm in love with you, i think champagne drunk it's a lie cut in two (he's not perfect) that's the kind of axe I'm grindin' (don't ever claim to be) cut in two that's the kind of sleep i'm gettin' cut in two that's the kind of love i'm makin' cut in two that's the kind of life i'm havin' fallin' in, fallin' in, fallin' in love again fallin' in, fallin' in, fallin' in love again separation separation separation separation fallin' in, fallin' in, fallin' in love again fallin' in, fallin' in, fallin' in love again separation separation separation separation separation separation separation separation From vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu Wed May 25 11:15 PDT 1994 via MS.5.6.pcs17.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4c_411; From: Vernon H Harmon Subject: Re: sa/se Cc: >Hey Vernon - You've ONLY done lyrics to 7 songs? what's the hold up? I was doing the "translating" at home where I have to stand up to operate my CD player all the time. :) I'm much quicker when I do it at work, where my CD player is within arm's length when I'm sitting, plus I can type it in directly, instead of having to write it out by hand and then transcribe to the computer.... :D --Vernon. From vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu Wed May 25 11:17 PDT 1994 via MS.5.6.pcs17.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4c_411; From: Vernon H Harmon Subject: Re: Jewel boxes Cc: Yeah, I agree. I think Joe Satriani's "Time Machine" uses this 2-cd jewel box format, also. --Vernon. From vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu Wed May 25 11:34 PDT 1994 via MS.5.6.pcs17.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4c_411; From: Vernon H Harmon Subject: Oopses! Re: some SA+SE lyrics (first pass) Cc: > FLY HOME 8:45 >you're skull and heart but your winds are dead ^^^^^wings >THE DEAD MAN'S DREAM 4:56 >i can hear it now it the darkness of the earth ^^in The more I listen to SA+SE, the more I like it! CIT is probably my favorite song, though, followed closely by DOTD and TDMD. I just don't see how CIT didn't make it onto SA!! --Vernon. From Vernon_Harmon@PROBACTO.SOAR.CS.CMU.EDU Wed May 25 11:49 PDT 1994 25 May 94 14:48:30 EDT Subject: lyrics revision 1.0 :) From: Vernon_Harmon@PROBACTO.SOAR.CS.CMU.EDU LOST MY TOUCH 5:40 [last spoken verse...] then he said his name's Red he wasn't dominating illuminating this is a soul beat 1 2 3 that's how easy it's gonna be everything is complete if you need to cheat if you want to eat in the air once you've eaten come with me are you lonely up there? do you wanna lose? it's not really fair [] is tough stuff it's tough to get enough and you laugh you laugh but you can't get the staff hold on to the raft it's my craft it's finished kaput it's over finito benito dead fred gone for song like old hong kong gone for song From Vernon_Harmon@PROBACTO.SOAR.CS.CMU.EDU Wed May 25 12:22 PDT 1994 25 May 94 15:21:19 EDT Subject: TPAO From: Vernon_Harmon@PROBACTO.SOAR.CS.CMU.EDU The one you've been waiting for... TWO PLACES AT ONCE 7:53 arrive in a high city somewhere in the east floating down a crowded street as though i am or i will be released Ellie, stop yawning, clear blue morning in mourning no more come and see the wild things that are just beyond the door but there's an old man here, he claims that he knew you in another life i'm not sure what he's saying, Ellie could it be he still thinks you're his wife? i've been waiting seems like eternity i've been waiting waiting for you i'm still waiting if you remember me i'll be waiting waiting for you trinkets sing on a desert wind behind here where ghosts have laid their final claim to rest but who they loved and what they thought they stayed for has crumbled in their last dusty caress they were so blind they were so blind hiding in a hotel room somewhere in the west i heard they brought a priest in to sanctify the place but it remains unblessed things move around -- my guitar sometimes plays itself they say it's static electricity but yesterday it took twenty dollars off the shelf there's a young man here says he married you another time the children cry and ask where their mother is gonna have to let them down yeah, i've been hurt but i've been around i've been waiting seems like eternity i've been waiting waiting for you i'm still waiting if you remember me i'll be waiting waiting for you elliptic shells are faded in the valley where once the sea had strength enough to reach but out of twisted metal of discarded fortune's curse no one here can quite translate the verses that they wanted to preach they were blind they were so blind they were so blind they were so blind i've been waiting seems like eternity i've been waiting waiting for you they were so blind i'm still waiting if you remember me i'll be waiting waiting for you From Vernon_Harmon@PROBACTO.SOAR.CS.CMU.EDU Wed May 25 12:44 PDT 1994 25 May 94 15:45:04 EDT Subject: Business Woman From: Vernon_Harmon@PROBACTO.SOAR.CS.CMU.EDU I started with the lyrics that somebody posted earlier and went from there. They were mostly correct, but not entirely. BUSINESS WOMAN 4:31 imagine her, all of her wealth and in the arms of somebody else i imagine her in bed with her communication skills cabinet full of creams and pills paying the bills and beating the rent you'll never understand the wonderful mind of that woman powerful beauty in her eyes look at that business woman she's got a head on her shoulders look at that business woman she's not that much older than you and she reveals inner soul stopped like the flutters in death's robes when she reveals her secret life all of the gifts come deep and swift promise her anything, only gift you're going to have to leave your wife she'll never understand the wonderful mind of that woman beautiful power in her eyes look at that business woman she's got a head on her shoulders look at that business woman she's not that much older than you and when she comes the stars explode exquisite results in input mode just when she comes she's suddenly gone maybe you'll find her, maybe you won't maybe she loves you, baby, she don't maybe you'll find that you are alone you'll never comprehend all of the means, all of the ends business woman, in her eyes look at that business woman she's got a head on her shoulders look at that business woman she's not that much older than you look at that business woman she's got a head on her shoulders look at that business woman she's not that much older than you From tlovell@eng.umd.edu Wed May 25 13:07 PDT 1994 From: Thomas Alan Lovell Subject: _*READ THIS*_---review of DC acoustic show! ok, folks, as the first one on the list (i THINK) to have seen one of the promo shows, i will now attempt to give a brief description of what went on 2 hours ago at 14th & K streets in DC: local comm.alt. station WHFS sponsored a free 1-hour acoustic show by SK & MWP. it was in a small park outdoors and was attended by probably 100 people, some of whom seemed to be diehard fans. i expected to hear only songs no one knows yet off the new album, as dictated by arista, their management, or some other higher power. instead, they did a really diverse selection of stuff, incl. providence, hotel womb, will i start to bleed, tristesse, shadow cabinet, 10k miles, & UtMW. at one point, MWP even said something like "we're picking these songs like the leaves off the trees." indeed, he & steve after each song seemed to huddle up for a few seconds discussing which from their plethora of tunes they should do next. i'm so glad they didn't have to stick to a playlist. it was actually pretty quiet between songs & i was tempted to yell out a few favorites, but i was content to trust the guys' judgment. interestingly enough, although it's apparent they've aged once you get up close to them, they looked very much like they did in the mid-80's when the 2 "heyday" videos were shot. steve (clean-shaven) was wearing probably the same wraparound sunglasses from those 2 videos. i also expected lots of managers/agents/radio geeks to be hustling them off away from the crowd as soon as the show was over. however, their "people" allowed them some time with fans both before & after their performance. i found MWP to be the more approachable of the two. i asked if he has any plans for another solo project, & he said "YES and NO." i told steve i was on the church mailing list, but he didn't seem to be too interested. all in all, it was a good show & time well spent. & on the way back from the show, i bought SA with the bonus CD (at 1st glance the 1-CD & 2-CD versions look exactly alike!) & am listening to SA as i write this. i believe the guys did 2 songs from SA today. (i'll try to give a more complete song list later, as time allows...) coming from someone who hasn't seen the church in exactly 4 years, today was quite a lucky day for me indeed!! i'd be interested to hear any comments from people who see the future shows. alan From MADHOUSE94@aol.com Wed May 25 13:14 PDT 1994 From: MADHOUSE94@aol.com Sender: "MADHOUSE94" Subject: DC Show Over 1,000 people turned out for The Church show in Washington DC sponsored by WHFS! From Vernon_Harmon@PROBACTO.SOAR.CS.CMU.EDU Wed May 25 13:37 PDT 1994 25 May 94 16:36:10 EDT Subject: LYCO and TMYM From: Vernon_Harmon@PROBACTO.SOAR.CS.CMU.EDU man, Marty is harder to understand than Steve sometimes because Marty puts together words that make no sense. :o I find myself doing my Beavis and Butthead every time CIT comes on: "YES! YES! THIS IS KEWL!" :D LEAVE YOUR CLOTHES ON 4:59 first thing you know is you don't know a thing second thing you think about is that you're sinking third thing is water, fourth thing is air five are the fingers of wind in your hair you can leave the city that you used to call home you could leave your lover just to walk all alone you can leave your father or leave your son and you can leave your clothes on [a nerve so sleek] has entered your head take up your [symbol, throw it] and leave your bed make sure your will is good and hard make sure you never let down your guard you can leave your body, learn the technique leave for two minutes or for two weeks you leave your work and your pleasure undone and you can leave your clothes on you can leave the city you used to call home you leave your lover just to love all alone you leave your father or leave your son and you can leave your clothes on [lots of whispering and mumbling mixed low enough you can't make it out] THE MYTHS YOU MADE 4:33 when the failing light makes the feelings gone (feelings gone) i'll ask you twice tonight to make sure i'm wrong (sure i'm) still you looked fold in two behind the shade are you lying there in wait? here's all the love you lost the myths you made here's all the things you didn't say all the days and hours pass by slow (pass by slow) with the crowded tears and the lights on low (lights on) if lips mean some beauty freeze again ripple up in flames here's all the time you took the myths you made here's all the things you didn't say the myths you made the things you didn't say you gotta get a story with this love (with this love) with my hand on the bible and the fable done (fable) still till all the little details are exposed here comes the final blow here's all the love you lost the myths you made here's all the things you didn't say here's all the time you took the myths you made here's all the things you didn't say From tlovell@eng.umd.edu Wed May 25 14:26 PDT 1994 From: Thomas Alan Lovell Subject: re: DC show wow, i guess was so into the show, i really, really underestimated the crowd! then again, i was up pretty close to the stage. bill, were you at this show by any chance? or do you plan to be at any of the promo shows? -alan From Vernon_Harmon@PROBACTO.SOAR.CS.CMU.EDU Wed May 25 14:47 PDT 1994 25 May 94 17:46:35 EDT Subject: More lyrics from SE From: Vernon_Harmon@PROBACTO.SOAR.CS.CMU.EDU these include improved TMYM lyrics... THE MYTHS YOU MADE 4:33 when the failing light with the feelings gone (feelings gone) i'll ask you twice tonight to make sure i'm wrong (sure i'm) still you looked fold in two behind the shade are you lying there in wait? here's all the love you lost the myths you made here's all the things you didn't say all the days and hours pass by slow (pass by slow) with the crowded tears and the lights on low (lights on) if lips mean some beauty freeze again ripple up in flames here's all the time you took the myths you made here's all the things you didn't say the myths you made the things you didn't say you gotta get a story where there's love (where there's love) with my hand on the bible and the fable done (fable) still till all the little details are exposed here comes the final blow here's all the love you lost the myths you made here's all the things you didn't say here's all the time you took the myths you made here's all the things you didn't say MACABRE TAVERN 3:52 [you're not serious, are you??] THE TIME BEING 4:34 every day as you notice the sun slips away a strange turbulence fills the air guard dogs and the monkeys descend into the city their teeth are bared, their claws outstretched down in the pit i sense the unforgiving god rain down on the overworld and its souls' unrest as the temptation fades out you jump back into yourself as if falling from a dream down comes the rain hot clear rain washing away our sins washing away the statues of Sharon Stone erosion of my solitude begins its race and worms finally penetrating the warmth of my hiding place slithering in the blackness all their coldness repels me i use a .45 to give them some stick lightning and thunder cause the walls to shake and someone searching through the debris for the photograph of his wife oh, i want life i want it now and forever i want to rise up out of this chamber and clamber into the sky FREEZE TO BURN 3:55 people gettin' frightened 'cause the night is very thick when i think about you sister, we need to panic here you better take a arrow, you better take a sled when it starts blowing, just 'member what i said you gotta freeze until it burns you gotta burn until you learn you gotta learn until you seize you gotta freeze until you burn people think they're dreamin', they're really wide awake i did it for the money and for goodness' sake meet me in the igloo with a factual glaze help me to decipher the shadow of this name you gotta freeze until it burns you gotta burn until you learn you're gonna learn until you seize and you freeze until you burn now, the fire in the rude banks, eyes inside the grave everything is opposite, right now it's too late when you hear the birdsong start, when you see the glow that's the only certainty that you'll ever know you're gonna freeze until it burns you're gonna burn until you learn you're gonna learn until you freeze freeze until you burn ok you're gonna freeze until it burns you're gonna burn until you learn we're gonna love it when you freeze freeze until you burn alright From BSmith@VCOMTELC.TELECOM.com.au Wed May 25 17:14 PDT 1994 From: "Smith, Brian" Subject: RE: GSA@PANIX -- A word from me > To try and make up for your troubles, I will send you a new Church poster if > you ewould like. > I've had no end of troubles with Arista too ! I can't remember the details at the moment, but I was deeply, Deeply, DEEPLY Shocked and Troubled by the experience, and only a Church poster can cure my woes ! :) *sigh* If only it were that easy.... Brian From mosk Thu May 26 07:28 PDT 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: GSA@PANIX -- A word from me > From vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu Wed May 25 08:35:08 1994 > > Wow, Bill. I'm impressed with the effort you're making on our > behalf. Are you the "official Arista netrep"? If not, you > deserve some recognition for dealing with us! :) > > --Vernon. > Well said, Vernon! For all the crap Bill has had to put up with from this mailing list alone, I think it's very, very impressive he still cares to answer our questions, feed us information _and_ take care of any problems that we have.... A round of applause for Bill! And to all, let's stop taking out our personal frustration on Bill. I don't think he is the one making _all_ the decisions at Arista, and even though some of them are somewhat questionable, personally I think Arista has done a tremendous job supporting and promoting the Church, both in the past and especially right now. The packaging of the new album is simply delicious in my opinion. I hope a poster of the cover will be available through the snail-mail list... Once again, thank you for all your hard work in bringing us information about the group Bill!! -morten From rfd@buclaa.bu.edu Thu May 26 07:41 PDT 1994 From: rfd@buclaa.bu.edu (Richard F. Delano) Subject: Hindsight liner In the liner notes to HINDSIGHT, SK says about "The Night Is Very Soft" "This song had something previously missing but I can't say what it is, just now. The rustle of royalties?" Does anyone know what he's referring to? Rich Boston Univ. PS Just made a nice little Church compilation for my girlfriend and it amazes me how dificult it was to cut it down to 100 minutes! PPS Who came up with the title of HERESY for a Best of the Curch? Vernon? I like it! I like the HEARSAY part too! From mosk Thu May 26 07:57 PDT 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Wow.... Heh... I take _one_ day off work, and the list goes crazy... :-) It's nice to see all of the mail regarding the new album. I picked up my copy yesterday at 9:01 (my noseprint is still on the outside of the Tower store door..), but still haven't gotten past track 9 on SA. Ooh, I _love_ that song.... Btw, the first store I was at had 15 copies of the album in the store, every one of them being the 2cd version. I later scanned 4 other stores, they all had one copy of the double and 3-4 copies of the single one... If anyone needs help finding the double version, let me know. I'll be happy to pick up one and mail it to you.... And, yes, the album is definetely a grower... -morten From mosk Thu May 26 08:11 PDT 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: sa/se > From powell@Kodak.COM Wed May 25 10:29:43 1994 > > you "somewhere else.." with the occasional lengthy track. I wonder how > "drought" (recorded in 1987) could have avoided release for long. It > sure sounds good to my "untrained ears". > > - Dick (powell.kodak.com) > Dick, According to Steve Kilbey (taken from a letter from him that was received and posted before you joined the list): "Its been lost for 5 years and has just been turned up. The master tape has been lost and we have to release the monitor mix of the song which luckily isn't too bad." I have listened to this track only once, but it's amazing to me that this was recorded in '87 (which should be somewhere between Heyday and Starfish). To me it sounds like a P=A outtake, with all it's feedback and the embellished drum track. It also seems to fit in very well on this album.... -morten From mosk Thu May 26 08:32 PDT 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: Sing Songs... > From n9282183@janice.cc.wwu.edu Wed May 25 10:16:42 1994 > > Do you mean the only cover (I am a Rock) on an album or EP? I know they've > done a couple of covers live, like Dancing Barefoot by Patti Smith. > "I Am A Rock" is the only cover song the Church has released officially. They do an occassional cover live, like Dancing Barefoot, which I believe exists on a bootleg. They also did a cover of Neil Young's "Sugar Mountain", with Tom Verlaine sitting in on guitar at one of their San Francisco shows in '88. I would _love_ to have a copy of that.... :-) > Oh, and definately go for Sing Songs!! I agree with what someone said > that In This Room is an AWESOME song. The rest are great too. > Yes, In This Room and Different Man are excellent songs. And $20 for the ep is cheap, cheap, cheap... I recently paid $50 for a second copy... And, studying the cover on it, I noticed that the ep is actually called "Sing-songs", which puts a whole different twist on it... :-) > nicole From matthewk@postoffice.utas.edu.au Thu May 26 08:41 PDT 1994 From: Matthew Kirkcaldie Subject: Re: Hindsight liner Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM On Thu, 26 May 1994, Richard F. Delano wrote: > In the liner notes to HINDSIGHT, SK says about "The Night Is Very Soft" > "This song had something previously missing but I can't say what it is, > just now. The rustle of royalties?" > Does anyone know what he's referring to? Kilbey's referring to the fact that Sing-Songs was a superb recording and the fact that the Church had started to find some success in terms of royalties, particularly from The Blurred Crusade and Seance, at the same time. His ever-present irony was to suggest that the two phenomena were related... Give them those royalties, I say, if it leads to Sing-Songs... > PS Just made a nice little Church compilation for my girlfriend and > it amazes me how dificult it was to cut it down to 100 minutes! Had that trouble myself a few times, and now another album to deal with... Matthew. From vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu Thu May 26 10:37 PDT 1994 via MS.5.6.pcs8.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4c_411; From: Vernon H Harmon Subject: Re: Wow.... Cc: >And, yes, the album is definetely a grower... I'm really happy to hear you say that, Morten! I was worried you *really* didn't like this album. I still don't understand how you couldn't have liked Loveblind when you first hear it, but oh, well! :) The only song that really hasn't grown any on me is The Maven. I don't know why. Authority is much better than I originally thought -- listen to it with some headphones...lots of stuff going on in the background there! --Vernon, who's *really* glad you can't wear out a CD!! From kallista@netcom.com Thu May 26 11:07 PDT 1994 From: kallista@netcom.com (Christopher Barrus) Subject: Cover songs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here in L.A. they covered "All Along The Watchtower" after MWP managed to break all the strings on all of his guitars, except the 12-string. -Chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Chris Barrus - kallista@netcom.com "Sacred cows make the best hamburger" - Abbie Hoffman '72 Buick Riviera - Peace through superior automotive power! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From wimmer@anthro.utah.edu Thu May 26 11:25 PDT 1994 From: Matt Wimmer Subject: new album Well, I got mine. 2CD for 16$, not a bad deal, considering. Observations: 1. The songs that have the word "dead" in them are really good. 2. Is The Maven like some distant relative of The Disillusionist? 3. After two minutes of My Little problem, I was asking "is this really 7 whole minutes long? After three, I was hey, this isn't so bad, and after 5 I was like, damn, only seven minutes! Weird reaction. 4. This ain't your big brothers church anymore. Dosen't sound like priest, doesn't sound like starfish/gaf, dosen't sound like anything older. I still like it. How do they do this? Why don't other bands? From pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Thu May 26 14:32 PDT 1994 From: pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Subject: SA SE Just thought I'd throw my opinion in with all the others. I liked the album at first listen, especially the first 9 songs or so. So far "Business Woman" and the one after that (I can't remember the name) haven't really done it for me, but "Dead mans dream" really is a great song to finish up the album. The whole thing did make me wonder about an acoustic show, as not many of the songs seem to be easily translated into acoustics, but from all reports the DC show went off well. Hopefully there'll be plenty of old songs too ("Antenna" tops my list for an acoustic show). One other thing I noticed was that the second verse sung by Marty on "Two places at once" was cut out of the video (and I'm assuming the radio single as well, though I haven't heard it yet), obviously because of time constraints, but i really think that extra verse on the album seems to make the whole song work a bit better, makes it more of a duet than it seems from the video, where it's like Steve let Marty sing one of the verses or something. Anyway, thumbs up for both the releases. -paul PS. and seeing as Vernon scooped me for the lyrics, I guess I'll just sit back and maybe throw out a few suggestions along the line :-) From mosk Thu May 26 14:49 PDT 1994 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Somewhere Else I probably shouldn't do this, but I'm going to anyway... I am now on my third listen through of the Somewhere Else, and all I have to say is: THIS IS ONE HELLUVA DISC!!!! This disc is exactly what I had expected from them, loads of noisy guitars, great songs and "real punch".... In my (now so) humble (yeah right) opinion, there's not a bad track on this disc.... Even "Freeze To Burn" and "Macabre Tavern" are good, just because of Marty's guitars.... Go Church, Go!!! (Yes, they have re-gained my respect! :) Now I'll be re-programming and re-sequencing both discs all weekend... SA/SE - The Morten Mix... Yeah, that's it... -morten From 917815@edna.cc.swin.edu.au Thu May 26 22:23 PDT 1994 From: Jonathan Michael Payling <917815@edna.cc.swin.edu.au> Subject: Re: new album Cc: "maybe these boys..." > .. I still like it. How do they do this? Why don't other bands? Because of initial reactions, eg: Mortons.. Most people arn't interested in giving music a chance.. (I'm not saying Morton doesn't!) Just that if their initial reaction is "not sure", then they'll probably ignore it.. and therefore bands get stuck into cycles of trying to satisfy everyone all the time, or come up with something they "expect"... Speaking of which, who else thinks Pink Floyds new album is a crock of shit? Elkor. Still waiting till the 6th because facist record companies seem to think Australian product should be released OVERSEAS first!!.. sheesh.. at least Steve had the decency of touring here first.. From mrgreen@mame.mu.OZ.AU Fri May 27 01:44 PDT 1994 27 May 1994 18:15:49 +1000 27 May 1994 18:14:18 +1000 From: matthew green Subject: Re: SA SE <199405262131.OAA17923@si.UCSC.EDU> Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT >PS. and seeing as Vernon scooped me for the lyrics, I guess I'll just sit back >and maybe throw out a few suggestions along the line :-) *SOB* and i haven't even gotten the album yet 8( -pout- how can *i* throw out a few suggestions if i don't even have the ability to listen to the songs??? .mrg. (in pain) From anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Fri May 27 02:08 PDT 1994 Reply-To: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Organization: Xymox UUCP System, Melbourne Australia From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Info on Church track - Earth Music disc As promised, here's the full info on the (apparently new) Church track that appears on the "Earth Music" compilation EP. I'm sure if it's not a new track, one of you will know. :) The disc is called "Earth Music" and is released by Mushroom, distributed by Festival, and funded by the Earth Music Trust, whoever they are. Catalog number is D-11756. There are four tracks, namely: The World's Got Everything In It - Ross Wilson Don't Change (yes, the INXS song!) - Dave Steel And The Roadside Prophets Room Full Of Diamonds - The Church Lake At Midnight - the environment (har har) Full track credits for the Church track: "Room Full Of Diamonds" Written by Brian Nichol Originally recorded by The Radiators Performed by The Church Vocals, bass - Steve Kilbey Electric Guitars, background vocals, keyboards - Marty Wilson Piper Drums, background vocals, acoustic guitar - Martin Russell Engineered by Martin Russell Mixed by Marty Wilson Piper -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au those herbal-tea moments." - Caroline Sullivan of The Guardian reviewing the new "Victoria Amos" album. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Vernon_Harmon@PROBACTO.SOAR.CS.CMU.EDU Fri May 27 09:05 PDT 1994 27 May 94 12:04:51 EDT Subject: Lyrics revisions From: Vernon_Harmon@PROBACTO.SOAR.CS.CMU.EDU >DAY OF THE DEAD 6:46 >great lumps are melting wrapped up inside you great lumps are melting wrapped up in satin >THE DEAD MAN'S DREAM 4:56 >once i had a need forgotten now once i had a name forgotten now (Duh!) still left: My Little Problem The Maven Angelica Drought --Vernon. From vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu Fri May 27 09:34 PDT 1994 via MS.5.6.pcs3.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax_ul4; From: Vernon H Harmon Subject: Re: SA SE Cc: >how can *i* throw out a few suggestions if i don't >even have the ability to listen to the songs??? Oh, just have fun with it, Matt! Take the lyrics and the track-by-track reviews you've seen and make up your own songs!! Then see how Steve and Marty did compared to you when you finally get the album! :) Sorry you haven't gotten it yet... :( --Vernon. From rfd@buclaa.bu.edu Fri May 27 12:30 PDT 1994 From: rfd@buclaa.bu.edu (Richard F. Delano) Subject: Tonight! I know there's really no substance to this post (kinda like a Michael Bolton album), but I have to let out this excitement! Tonight I will finally get to see MWP and SK together! As if I wasn't thrilled enough before, to read the posting about the DC show and hear that they're pretty much playing anything........ [a pause while a get a paper pag for my hyperventilation] Expect a full report on Tuesday morning as I have no plans on working this weekend! I'll try to keep a setlist for those interested. I'm off! Rich Boston Univ. From john.brownosullivan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Fri May 27 23:00 PDT 1994 X-Sender: ou005076@brandywine.otago.ac.nz From: john.brownosullivan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (John Brown-O'Sullivan) Subject: Re: Re: new album Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM JMP says: >Speaking of which, who else thinks Pink Floyds new album is a crock of shit? > >Elkor. Me! But unfortunately, not many other people. The keyboards, drums and ESPECIALLY David G's guitar-playing is their worst ever. Come to think of it, I honestly can't think of a Pink Floyd song I like better than 'Disappear?' Jonathan, where did the 'Elkor' come from? The reason I ask is that one of the coolest books ever written, 'The wizards and the warriors' by Hugh Cook (a fellow countryman) featured a Rovac warrior who knew how to hold a grudge, a lean mean killing machine, by the name of Elkor Alish. Can anyone tell me anything about the solo tour SK recently did? John (still waiting for the album) John Brown-O'Sullivan Student Zoology Department University of Otago E-mail john.brownosullivan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz From mrgreen@mame.mu.OZ.AU Sat May 28 10:45 PDT 1994 Subject: Re: new album <199405280557.AA04191@arwen.otago.ac.nz> From: matthew green >Can anyone tell me anything about the solo tour SK recently did? ``it was brilliant.'' From mrgreen@mame.mu.OZ.AU Sat May 28 20:20 PDT 1994 Subject: Re: Wow.... From: matthew green >>And, yes, the album is definetely a grower... > >I'm really happy to hear you say that, Morten! I was >worried you *really* didn't like this album. I still don't i wasn't. i remembered his reaction to aura. From mrgreen@mame.mu.OZ.AU Sat May 28 22:49 PDT 1994 Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Subject: Re: Church Questions From: matthew green >1) I saw Steve at the Continenetal Cafe as I have previously mentioned >:), and I want to know what the song was that he opened with on saturday >night. I've heard the name Providence floating around, and was wondering >if anyone could tell me exactly where it came from and where I can get it? >Is it off Jack Frost or whatever ? the song is `providence' and it is off `jack front'. there, i answered you question at last ;-) >2) What is the THIRD CHORD from Ripple? I saw Steve playing it and >forgot to note what it is.. I know so far: > > Am - C - ?? - Fmaj7 um, with out going in search of my guitar, it's a D, but i'm not sure. the chorus is Ebm - Gb, i think. >3) Was anyone else dissapointed with Steves rendition of Mistress on the >saturday night show? He played it in 4/4 and it sounded awful, which >annoys me as it's obviously 3/3 and it's my favourite song.. it sounded >all over the place.. hmm. nope, can't say i remember it 8( From anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Sun May 29 09:40 PDT 1994 Reply-To: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Organization: Xymox UUCP System, Melbourne Australia From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Re: Questions for 'The Church Live On-Line' Karl reported: > Anthony Horan wrote: > >Gary Assa said: > > > >> How about aksing a question I always wanted to ask: > >> I know you're always aksed what bands influenced you and what bands you > >> really admire, but please tel me what band(s) you really despise and > >> think have no talent (excluding rap bands because none of them have any > >> talent)? > > > >Interesting question to ask a man who produced a record containing a rap. > >Have a listen to "Bohemia" by Mae Moore again... > > > >Seriously, I doubt that such a question would elicit much more of a response > >than simple disdain. > > Actually, the response was: Richard Marx, Peter Murphy, Soul Asylum, Ace Of > Base, AC/DC, and Michael Bolton. Oh. :-) I'm looking forward to interviewing Mr Kilbey more and more each day... :) -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au those herbal-tea moments." - Caroline Sullivan of The Guardian reviewing the new "Victoria Amos" album. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jtehran@husc.harvard.edu Mon May 30 03:39 PDT 1994 From: jtehran@husc.harvard.edu Subject: tour rumors, thoughts on SA, SK's lyrics and his religious beliefs... hey everyone, how was the boston show to those of you who went? I should have been there, only I'm stuck in Hawaii instead of cambridge right now (yeah, I know, your sympathy goes out to me for being stuck on an island paradise... but, after all, without the church, how much of paradise can it be?) in any case, any comments about the show would be appreciated.... anyway, rumors of a more extensive church tour seem to be circulating... i've talked to two different local disc jockeys at the local alternative station and both have said that there is a good chance the church might be coming out to hawaii in july or augst.... and, if that they're coming to hawaii, that pretty much means they'll probably being doing a more extensive U.S. tour at the very least.... any, what do you all think about the new album? Ive noticed a few comparisons with U2's Zooropa in some of the reviews... and, since u2 happens to be my favorite group (yeah, I know, heresy to declare that on Seance... but, the Church is a close second..), I thought about the comparison a bit.... I basically hate Zooropa... it basically marked the elimination of the two most powerful elements in u2's music: Edge's guitar style/sound and bono's passionate vocals... the album is pretty devoid of guitar.... and bono's far too caught up in his obsession with the cold, unemotional tchnology driven world of the future that he basically sings like that to.. certainly his vocal style fits in with the teme of the albu... . but, it kills the most powerful element in their music.... anyway, likewise, I think that the Church does, to some extent, pull a Zooropa on this album.... the guitars are certainly stripped away to a good extent.... and the music gets more technology driven with the synths... and steve even pulls a little rapping stunt here and there... in a sense, there seems to be a pervading belief these days that musical "progress" means adopting elements of rap/industrial music as well as embracing technology with the synths., etc.etc.... and, it seems as if the church has fit itself into the mold where everyone can say "well, the band has really progressed..." they may have "progressed" just by changing, but the music isn't necessarily any better like morten, I had a pretty bad initial reaction to the album... but, then, I reminded myself of how much I disliked Priest=Aura when it came out and how it took me 2 years to appreciate that album.... at this point, I would say SA is defnitely not a great church album... also, it doesn't have any really outstanding and incredible track on it... it's a pretty solid peice of music, thoug I think the second half is slightly better than the first half.... my favorite track is "The dead man's dream"... Loveblind, my little problem, 2 places at once, and authority are pretty cool songs... angelica, eastern, and lullaby are pretty decent as well... evenI love "The Dead man's dream" which is certainly not a guitar-driven track, I basically can't help but wish they hadn't abandoned the guitar sound as much.... SA doesn't have the consistency of the theme- driven Blurred Crusade or Heyday but, SA certainly has a definite mood to it and takes you into that surreal, tapestried world that only SK can create..... so hell, it's not bad... and it's getting better.... or, as the wise man himself would say: "it's never as good as I hoped for, or as bad as I feared" here's anothe random questoin that I've been pondering... while Kilbey's lyrics are certainly pretty decent, I've often wondered why the same guy who wrote that absoulutely beautiful, moving, and utterly poetic piece in the insert of "Starfish" can't come up with better lyrics.... is it the constraints of fitting the words into the music? is it that he spends almost no time on lyrics for the songs? I mean, I know for example, he spent also no time on the lyrics for p=a, which is a shame, considering what he did with that poem for Starfish.... also does anyone have any idea as to SK's religious beliefs? my suspicion is that he's an agnostic/athiest... but, certainly, some of the sentiments expressed in such songs as "myrrh" seem to point in another direction.... anyway, that's all for now... John From gsa@panix.com Mon May 30 16:59 PDT 1994 From: Gary Assa Subject: my opinion/review Cc: Trokeus Oblivenheim Here is my opinion/review of Sometime Anywhere. Before I start, let me say this is not a review per se, but more of an opinion, as unbiased as I can possibly make it. However, for those that have the same mucial taste as myself, this opinion should be pretty close to yours. Many different people like the Church; some of them hating what I like and vice versa. Prelude: My favorite Church albums in order are: Well, I actually made up a rule some years ago. That rule is, "The last Church album you listen to is the best one." However, this changed in 1990 with the release of GAF. So, if there were a list, it would go like this: Blurred Crusade / Seance Heyday / Of Skins And Heart Starfish / Remote Luxury (all the above albums are brilliant, but because of their differing styles, are broekn down in that way) GAF / AQSAS Priest=Aura Other bands I really really like: Robyn Hitchcock, Hoodoo Gurus, Dentists, Connells. So here it is, it will be short: The album cover is excellent. The CD's were as close to impossible to get out that I have witnessed. Day of the Dead: Ok. Kinda like Trance Endings or something that should have been on Russian Autumn Heart CD-5. Maybe even a little like You're Still Beautiful. Lost My Touch: Steve and Marty once said they do not like being compared to U2 and R.E.M. Well, this is Bullet The Blue Sky. Loveblind: This one is ok. Kinda spooky and maybe similar to Disappointment. My Little Problem: This one is one of the better songs. Melodic and soft. Has a fimiliar sound to it. Maven: This could have been on Sing Songs. "I've got my milk white electric guitar." Angelica: Nine Inch Nails? Or, Every hour God Sends from Jack Frost, or Much Too Much. I don't really like this one, but I do like Marty yelling Angelica. Lullably: I like this one. It could be the companion song to Laughing Eastern: The only thing I could say is, "Instrumental" Two Places At Once: Mellow, but I like this one too. It is a thinking song, and has a catchy chorus. Business Woman: My favorite. Excellent "play-loud" song. Authority: B-side to Business Woman. Must have been recorded the same day with the same instruments and equipment. Another really good one. Fly Home: This one is ok Dead Man's Dream: This on is ok, too. Once again, this is my opinion. I am not saying to anyone that they should have the same opinion, I just wanted to give my thoughts on the album. As a possible way for me to determine the staying power of ability of a song to be liked at first listen is this: Is this a song that can be played loud in my car so that when I pull up next to some girl, she should be impressed, or is this a song that I should listen to at home when I doing work or just relaxing. This album is in the stay at home category, with the exception of four of the tracks. This does NOT mean that I dislike this CD. P.S. I will give my opinion on Disc 2 next week. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- * The first thing we do let's kill all the lawyers _Shakespeare * ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From barmiyan@wam.umd.edu Tue May 31 11:14 PDT 1994 From: Amy Rebecca Ewing Subject: SA: my two cents I have lots of random thoughts on this so please excuse my lack of direction here. I've given the album plenty of listens and my feelings are mixed. While overall I like the sound of it better than P=A--an album I really don't like for its droning morass of sound--I actually think that P=A has more tuneful songs on it than SA. (I'm not bringing up older albums because frankly the Church isn't the same band anymore, and I mark P=A as the beginning of the transformation.) Strange that this album has actually made me appreciate P=A a tiny, tiny bit more. A lot of people have said this album 'grows' on you. Or that the band is changing, or 'growing.' The verb is apt. But I'm not entirely happy with the change. As I said, I like the more melodic nature of this album than that of P=A, but the absence of that great guitar interplay really bothers me. That why I got into the band in the first place. And it's why I enjoy but don't crave the solo works of the bandmembers. The songs are pleasant, but, well, dull. Another problem I find is song lengths. In this CD age it seems the Church has fallen into the trap of milking songs for all they're worth to get a full hour (or more!) of music on the disk. I realized what I really wanted was for them to make another RECORD. Something only 45 or so minutes long, with nice medium-sized tracks. Sure throw in an epic song or a couple short ones, but mainly just good songs with a nice catch and chorus. And strangely enough, wasn't GAF the last real Church LP? SA is an album with no obvious singles. When the DC station here finally announced they were giving a free Church show in town that same day, one of the DJs could clearly be heard saying, "Get something from Starfish." And they then played Reptile. Since I STILL have not heard any new tracks on the radio, I can only conclude that, sales-wise at least, this album will flop more than P=A. And where does that leave the band? What more can I say? My favorite band's last two albums have been very unsatisfactory to me. There are gems in there, but lots of rough stuff in between. What I really need is one of those CD players that remembers which tracks you don't want played. Put these two CDs together, along with some from SE (Drought and The Myths You Made), and you've got a great album. As for the future, I'm consigned to the fact that the guitar band that gave me Starfish and Blurred Crusade is gone forever. That doesn't make me happy, but I guess we'll have to make do. Brian (not Amy!) From bama@midway.uchicago.edu Tue May 31 12:38 PDT 1994 From: Oblivion City Cc: bama@midway.uchicago.edu Subject: subscribe. Please subscribe me to the digest form of this list (if one exists). -sarang baman bama@midway.uchicago.edu From rfd@buclaa.bu.edu Tue May 31 13:07 PDT 1994 From: rfd@buclaa.bu.edu (Richard F. Delano) Subject: Boston show Hi all, Here's a brief review of the Church at Local 186 in Boston (5/27): Steve and Marty both sported 12-string guitars most of the night and proceeded to play an hour and a half set of mostly pre-SA songs. A complete set list will be sent tomorrow as I left it at home :( Overall, it was a very good show but I guess I'm beginning to realize how much I miss Peter. The two-guitar interplay was always the main attraction to me, but alas things change. Both SK and MWP were in a great mood and really looked to be enjoying themselves. Marty does like to show off, doesn't he :)? Sorry this is really not much of a review, but as I said I will post a much better, more detailed review tomorrow. Unlike the DC show, I believe they were following a set list, although they seemed to play what was mentioned as being played in DC. I didn't recognize the first or last song played, however, but managed to pick out a few lyrics. All I remember now is Opening song mentioned "...a twisted tale..." and was a duet similar to "Two Places At Once" The closing song had lines similar to "...an angry god..." and "...she loves me till this day..." or something close to that. Anyone? Rich Boston Univ. From ctn2d@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu Tue May 31 20:26 PDT 1994 31 May 94 23:27 EDT From: ctn2d@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu Subject: Re: Boston show Hey, I will be going to mit in the fall and i have a friend (a girl) soon to be going to boston university. If anyone knows of places to rent that are cheap and local or of friends looking for roomates etc. please get in touch. thanks a bunch. chris Sadly, many children are not even born into families today, but are orphaned even before their birth by the choice of their parents who do not want them. This grieves my heart so. Cherish your children and give them the stable environment they deserve. -The Blessed Virgin Mary, March 7, 1987