From MCA4860@ZEUS.TAMU.EDU Sat Oct 2 11:12 PDT 1993 From: MCA4860@ZEUS.TAMU.EDU Subject: What happened to Ploog? I just recently got onto this mailing list which i think is probably cool. So i hope you can answer my question of why Ploog is no longer in the band. Did he leave right after they made GAF? Maybe he didn't like it like some others. It's good that i finally found this group because all my friends usually just say, "The Church?" as they give me a blank stare. They don't know what they have been missing, right? later, mark From mrgreen@circlip.mame.mu.OZ.AU Sat Oct 2 11:18 PDT 1993 Subject: Re: What happened to Ploog? <931002131501.2027b8ff@ZEUS.TAMU.EDU> From: matthew green > It's good that i finally found this group because all my friends usually >just say, "The Church?" as they give me a blank stare. They don't know what >they have been missing, right? right. From gsa@panix.com Sun Oct 3 09:57 PDT 1993 From: Gary Assa Subject: Re: What happened to Ploog? Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM > I just recently got onto this mailing list which i think is > probably cool. So i hope you can answer my question of why Ploog is no > longer in the band. Did he leave right after they made GAF? Maybe he didn't > like it like some others. Where have you been/ Yhat was 3 years ago. He left after GAF because he was a big druggie, and Marty and Steve thought it was impairing his ability. He also wasn't showing up on time to practices. His successor, JD Dougherty of the Patty SMith Group has also gone. From oyvindst@ifi.uio.no Sun Oct 3 18:33 PDT 1993 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=D8yvind_Stavseth?= Subject: THE POLL (finally...) Well folks, here are the Church Poll results finally... First of all, thanks to those who participated! It has been quite amusing reading through your answers, many of you have obviously taken this quite seriously -- which I sure didn't mean it to be... :-) The poll seems to be dominated by die-hard fans, who have (nearly) all of the albums, with the exception of two people. The participation wasn't overwhelming, with 14 people tossing their ballots, but one can see some patterns. First, let's take a look at what people think of The Church's many albums... Of Skins And Heart ------------------ Here, the scores ranged from 2 to 6, with mostly 4's and 5's. Still, I don't know what people like about this record. Is it the edgy and manic sound - or the sweet and delicious sound, represented by "Bel Air" and the bonus cuts? AVERAGE: 4.4. The Blurred Crusade ------------------- My favorite. And several other's as well. Scores ranging from 3 to 6. AVERAGE: 4.8. Seance ------ Another well liked one. AVERAGE: 4.6. Remote Luxury ------------- Oh dear. Something apparently is wrong with this one. I'd like to hear your opinions on why. In my ears, they simply aren't The Church on 'Remote Luxury', and there is a somewhat 'artificial' sound to this recording. Could it be that they weren't stone enough? Scores ranging from 1 to 5. AVERAGE: 3.4. Heyday ------ Wow. What a return. To me, this one defines the 'Church Sound', with the most jingly-jangly guitars, and most esoteric lyrics. Perhaps a tad to sweet? Anyway, people rate this one anywhere from 3 to 6. And people who love this one seems to loathe the previous one. (Generally speaking). AVERAGE: 5.0. Hindsight --------- To me, this is an exciting record. And I mean the inclusion of the B-sides of course. It's exciting to hear the differences in kinky "In A Heartbeat" and the raw and blistering "Fraulein". "Life Speeds Up" is the Church at their most orchestral, and catchy it is too. You guys like this one, from 4 to 6 to be exact. AVERAGE: 4.7. Starfish -------- Hehe. You don't surprise me. Two 4's. One 5'er. And ELEVEN 6's!!! Apparently, many of you catched on to The Church with this one. And let's also see through the fingers with the commercial appeal of this album. It IS a classic. AVERAGE: 5.6. Gold Afternoon -------------- A great disappointment for many of you, it seems that they have LOST some of their SPARK. Probably had to much of the music business's BLOOD MONEY since "Starfish". Time they experienced A NEW SEASON. (See "Priest=Aura"). Scores from 2 to 5. AVERAGE: 4.1. A Quick Smoke At Spot's ----------------------- This one fares not to well, and a surprise it is NOT. Very uneven of course, but with few highlights. In my opinion 'Texas Moon' is brilliant though, and 'Anna Miranda' not too bad either. Scores are low, from 2 to 4. AVERAGE: 2.7. Priest=Aura ----------- Now people tend to show what they like about The Church. Points awarded from 2 to 7. (Yes, Polar Bear, I'll OK your rating on this one :-) ). People disliking "Remote Luxury" tends to love this one. Please take these comments with a grain of salt (or something like that). BEST SONG Yes folks, I included this just for sheer fun. Just think about it: Picking ONE song from all of the band's records! It's absurd (at least in my opinion). Me, I have at least a dozen of favorites, for when I'm in equally many moods. But nice try anyway, and here are the mentioned ones: Off OSaH, we have 'Bel-Air'. From BC, people mention 'You Took', 'Almost With You' (according to Steve THE definitive Church song), off Seance 'Disappear' and 'It's No Reason'. NONE off "Remote Luxury". 'Tristesse' is also mentioned, and is, as we all know, from "Heyday". "Starfish" is well represented with 'Destination', 'Under The Milky Way', and 'Lost' - the only song mentioned twice. "Hindsight" is represented by 'Life Speeds Up', also a B-side to 'Almost With You'. NONE off "Gold Afternoon Fix". 'Ripple' and 'Aura' seems to be favs from The Church's latest offering. Peculiar how the two least favorite albums (with the exception of "A Quick Smoke At Spot's" aren't represented on this list... SOLO ALBUMS Peter Koppes' material aren't destined to stardom, regarding to you. His work isn't mentioned. Steve, on the other hand, seems pretty popular with "Unearthed" - mentioned thrice (x3), and Mort likes "Remindlessness" best. One guy finds the Jack Frost collaboration most worthwhile. Marty's latest, "Spirit Level" receives two votes, and "Touched By Jesus" (Halleluiah) one from God himself, whoops, I mean Anders Faerden. "Marty does fantastic things with his guitar on this rec.", he says. Well, the title says everything... "Art Attack" is most popular by another voter. OTHER FAVORITES Hrmmm... This one's REALLY interesting. I mean, people listening to The Church must have good taste in music, and this question probably answers that. At least, there are some names that I've checked out and found worthwhile. :-) It pleases me to see that The Dream Syndicate/Steve Wynn is fairly popular among Thy Faithful - perhaps the two bands have more in common than meets the ears. More expected was British music's influence on you. Quite many quote bands like Charlatans, Ride, Spacemen 3, Slowdive et al among their favorites. Well, I guess that's it for now, but for those of you who are even more interested in what lies beneath this babble, email me, and I'll send you a summary of the raw material. (Plus all the names mentioned under 'Other favorites'). AND NOW... Please continue the discussion of the merits and faults of The Church on the mailing list. Let's have a sound and open- minded discussion about the qualities of this fabulous band. Thanks for your attention. -Oyvind From mrgreen@circlip.mame.mu.OZ.AU Sun Oct 3 22:01 PDT 1993 Subject: Re: THE POLL (finally...) <199310040135.20130.yrsa@ifi.uio.no> From: matthew green >Well folks, here are the Church Poll results finally... geeez.. i didn't even get around to sending mine in... so.. here goes.. ;) >First of all, thanks to those who participated! It has been quite >amusing reading through your answers, many of you have obviously >taken this quite seriously -- which I sure didn't mean it to >be... :-) serious ? of course i take the church seriously.. ;) >The poll seems to be dominated by die-hard fans, who have (nearly) >all of the albums, with the exception of two people. i have all the normal albums.. ;) >Of Skins And Heart >------------------ >Here, the scores ranged from 2 to 6, with mostly 4's and 5's. >Still, I don't know what people like about this record. Is it >the edgy and manic sound - or the sweet and delicious sound, >represented by "Bel Air" and the bonus cuts? AVERAGE: 4.4. hmmm, i'd give it a 5. i love it. `is this where you live' would be my favourite song on this album... >The Blurred Crusade >------------------- >My favorite. And several other's as well. Scores ranging >from 3 to 6. AVERAGE: 4.8. one of the many church album's to be my `fave'. it gets a 6. best song would be `when you were mine' (I think) >Seance >------ >Another well liked one. AVERAGE: 4.6. hmm, i'd only give this one a 3. i like it, but its not my favorite. >Remote Luxury >------------- >Oh dear. Something apparently is wrong with this one. I'd like >to hear your opinions on why. In my ears, they simply aren't >The Church on 'Remote Luxury', and there is a somewhat 'artificial' >sound to this recording. Could it be that they weren't stone enough? >Scores ranging from 1 to 5. AVERAGE: 3.4. is this the ep or the album ? i've got the album and i like it. a like it a lot, infact. constant in opal, volumes, the shadow cabinet are all in my `fave church songs' list. it gets a 4. >Heyday >------ >Wow. What a return. To me, this one defines the 'Church Sound', >with the most jingly-jangly guitars, and most esoteric lyrics. >Perhaps a tad to sweet? Anyway, people rate this one anywhere from >3 to 6. And people who love this one seems to loathe the previous >one. (Generally speaking). AVERAGE: 5.0. hmm, heyday is another of my `not so fave' church albums. i'd give it a 3.. >Hindsight >--------- >To me, this is an exciting record. And I mean the inclusion of >the B-sides of course. It's exciting to hear the differences in >kinky "In A Heartbeat" and the raw and blistering "Fraulein". >"Life Speeds Up" is the Church at their most orchestral, and >catchy it is too. You guys like this one, from 4 to 6 to be >exact. AVERAGE: 4.7. hindsight is a great album(s), but i've only got it on cassette, so i rarely listen to it. a 5. >Starfish >-------- >Hehe. You don't surprise me. Two 4's. One 5'er. And ELEVEN 6's!!! >Apparently, many of you catched on to The Church with this one. >And let's also see through the fingers with the commercial appeal >of this album. It IS a classic. AVERAGE: 5.6. oh this gets a 10. definately. uh, oh is this out of 6 ? sorry.. >Gold Afternoon >-------------- >A great disappointment for many of you, it seems that they have >LOST some of their SPARK. Probably had to much of the music >business's BLOOD MONEY since "Starfish". Time they experienced >A NEW SEASON. (See "Priest=Aura"). Scores from 2 to 5. >AVERAGE: 4.1. hmm, i don't mind gaf. maybe a 3 though. it drags on a bit until the end... >A Quick Smoke At Spot's >----------------------- >This one fares not to well, and a surprise it is NOT. Very uneven >of course, but with few highlights. In my opinion 'Texas Moon' is >brilliant though, and 'Anna Miranda' not too bad either. >Scores are low, from 2 to 4. AVERAGE: 2.7. awwww.. i give this a 5!! texas moon is worth its weight in platinum... >Priest=Aura >----------- >Now people tend to show what they like about The Church. Points >awarded from 2 to 7. (Yes, Polar Bear, I'll OK your rating >on this one :-) ). People disliking "Remote Luxury" tends to >love this one. you sure this is out of 6 ? i'd give this a 20 if i could.. >Please take these comments with a grain of salt (or something like >that). hmmm, and a few grains of some other things too >BEST SONG >Yes folks, I included this just for sheer fun. Just think >about it: Picking ONE song from all of the band's records! It's >absurd (at least in my opinion). Me, I have at least a dozen >of favorites, for when I'm in equally many moods. But nice try >anyway, and here are the mentioned ones: > Off OSaH, we have 'Bel-Air'. From BC, people mention 'You Took', >'Almost With You' (according to Steve THE definitive Church song), >off Seance 'Disappear' and 'It's No Reason'. > NONE off "Remote Luxury". > 'Tristesse' is also mentioned, and is, as we all know, from >"Heyday". "Starfish" is well represented with 'Destination', >'Under The Milky Way', and 'Lost' - the only song mentioned twice. >"Hindsight" is represented by 'Life Speeds Up', also a B-side to >'Almost With You'. > NONE off "Gold Afternoon Fix". > 'Ripple' and 'Aura' seems to be favs from The Church's latest >offering. aaaaaargh. this is going to be hard. now i know why i didn't do it when i should have ;) .. i don't know.. this isn't fair.. >Peculiar how the two least favorite albums (with the exception >of "A Quick Smoke At Spot's" aren't represented on this list... > >SOLO ALBUMS >Peter Koppes' material aren't destined to stardom, regarding >to you. His work isn't mentioned. > Steve, on the other hand, seems pretty popular with >"Unearthed" - mentioned thrice (x3), and Mort likes "Remindlessness" >best. One guy finds the Jack Frost collaboration most worthwhile. > Marty's latest, "Spirit Level" receives two votes, and "Touched >By Jesus" (Halleluiah) one from God himself, whoops, I mean Anders >Faerden. "Marty does fantastic things with his guitar on this rec.", >he says. Well, the title says everything... "Art Attack" is most >popular by another voter. `narcosis ep' should have been included in this i think. it is the most amazing 23 minutes i own, otherwise i'll have to side with mortie and go for remindlessness... >OTHER FAVORITES >Hrmmm... This one's REALLY interesting. I mean, people listening >to The Church must have good taste in music, and this question >probably answers that. At least, there are some names that I've >checked out and found worthwhile. :-) > It pleases me to see that The Dream Syndicate/Steve Wynn is fairly >popular among Thy Faithful - perhaps the two bands have more in >common than meets the ears. > More expected was British music's influence on you. Quite many >quote bands like Charlatans, Ride, Spacemen 3, Slowdive et al among >their favorites. `clouds'. if you haven't heard them, suffer ;) >AND NOW... Please continue the discussion of the merits and faults >of The Church on the mailing list. Let's have a sound and open- >minded discussion about the qualities of this fabulous band. faults ? *boggles* mrg.. oh ok. i'll try for best song again. hmm. ok, here is the best i can think of with short notice: hotel womb. (sorry i was late ;) From ckoontz@rdxsun40.aud.alcatel.com Mon Oct 4 08:59 PDT 1993 From: ckoontz@rdxsun40.aud.alcatel.com (Carl "448 MHz" Koontz) Subject: Public Church hearing I was at the J. Crew clothing store at one of the area shopping malls this weekend and was quite surprised to hear "Paradox" over the sound system. I was intrigued that The Church would have a song on one of those cheesy background music tapes they play in clothing stores. After a couple of other good songs, "Mistress" came on. I was kind of curious how two Church songs could be on in a matter of 10 or so minutes in a pretty ritzy shooping mall in the middle of Dallas. I asked the people at the counter where they got their music. They said employees bring in their own CDs and they run a random sampling of songs from a six-disc changer. Let's hear it for whoever is responsible to giving The Church some much deserved exposure. Just think, all of the shoppers were being treated to some fantastic music all day. Carl Doubtless, cloudless, bright. From pjmorse@unix.amherst.edu Mon Oct 4 10:15 PDT 1993 From: Polar Bear Subject: Re: THE POLL (finally...) > From: matthew green > >Of Skins And Heart > hmmm, i'd give it a 5. i love it. `is this where you live' > would be my favourite song on this album... Yes... very much so. [snip] > is this the ep or the album ? i've got the album and i like it. > a like it a lot, infact. constant in opal, volumes, the shadow > cabinet are all in my `fave church songs' list. it gets a 4. You liked volumes? The music is interesting, but the lyrics are (IMHO) the worst Marty has every written. He's trying to hard; maybe, as was suggested somewhere, he wasn't smoking enough. [snip] > >Gold Afternoon > hmm, i don't mind gaf. maybe a 3 though. it drags on a bit > until the end... good, interesting songs. The second side is music to sleep to. (I will, however, admit that it would create interesting dreams.) > >Priest=Aura > >awarded from 2 to 7. (Yes, Polar Bear, I'll OK your rating > >on this one :-) ). People disliking "Remote Luxury" tends to Gee, thanks :-> > you sure this is out of 6 ? i'd give this a 20 if i could.. I tried. [snip] > hmm. ok, here is the best i can think of with short notice: > > hotel womb. Every time you ask that question I'll come up with a different answer. That's one of them. Don't know why; I don't understand it. But the music is very moving and the lyrics, while sparse, bring up massive images in my head. It's so good and moving I almost can't listen to it. -- polar bear pjmorse@unix.amherst.edu From pjmorse@unix.amherst.edu Mon Oct 4 10:19 PDT 1993 From: Polar Bear Subject: Public Church hearing (fwd) Forwarded message: > From: ckoontz@rdxsun40.aud.alcatel.com (Carl "448 MHz" Koontz) [Carl tells a story of hearing the Church in the local Muzak] I worked this summer at the Nike factory store in Freeport, ME, and we had some pretty damn lousy music. It was some Muzak station, and it had about 12 songs that played every day, but they also threw in some odd ones now and then (psycho early-'80s stuff, euro-dance, Blur, School of Fish,) and I heard "Metropolis" a few times, and once something off "Starfish". It usually made my week. > I asked the people at the counter where they got their music. They > said employees bring in their own CDs and they run a random sampling > of songs from a six-disc changer. Let's hear it for whoever is > responsible to giving The Church some much deserved exposure. I wish all stores did this. Our music usually drove me nuts. -- polar bear pjmorse@unix.amherst.edu From MCA4860@SUMMA.TAMU.EDU Mon Oct 4 10:24 PDT 1993 From: MCA4860@ZEUS.TAMU.EDU Subject: another public hearing far away I, too, also heard some Church where i least suspected it. It was in a bar in San Sebastian, Spain. The guy would always put on "Under a Milky" and "Blood Money." He did this 3 times of all the times that i went there. Finally i got up and asked him to let it run, so i could hear "Lost", one of of my favourites. I still can't believe that i heard the band here since musical tastes in Spain are different. I listen to all kinds of stuff, but Spanish pop isn't that tempting. And what mall in Dallas did you hear the church? I live a little further south in a oh-so-lovely place called College Station. later, mark From tlovell@eng.umd.edu Mon Oct 4 11:34 PDT 1993 Rcpt to:mailed to seance@thechurch.ebay.sun.com From: Thomas Alan Lovell Subject: a (SORT OF) public hearing all of these public church hearings, sightings, etc, have inspired me to share a related story from way back: one evening when i was flipping thru the t.v. channels, i noticed a scene from "miami vice" (for those outside the US, a somewhat popular t.v. cop show from the 80's) where "milky way" was playing in a dance club. the scene contained approx. the last 1-2 mins. of the song. this was probably 3-4 years ago, right after starfish got some airplay. (does anyone remember this scene?? no, it didn't cause me to become a regular viewer of miami vice.) i think it's one thing to hear the church in a mall, but definitely another to hear them played on a popular t.v. show! because, although i don't know what it's like in other countries, as far as american network t.v. is concerned, the church definitely do not exist. -alan From ckoontz@rdxsun40.aud.alcatel.com Mon Oct 4 11:55 PDT 1993 From: ckoontz@rdxsun40.aud.alcatel.com (Carl "448 MHz" Koontz) Subject: Remote Luxury >Remote Luxury >------------- >Oh dear. Something apparently is wrong with this one. I'd like >to hear your opinions on why. In my ears, they simply aren't >The Church on 'Remote Luxury', and there is a somewhat 'artificial' >sound to this recording. Could it be that they weren't stone enough? >Scores ranging from 1 to 5. AVERAGE: 3.4. > I expect many people don't like Remote Luxury as well as some other Church albums is because it is a collection of 2 EPs. Since the 10 songs weren't recorded as an album, they never really get flowing together. I really like the album, but I think the two MWP songs and Maybe These Boys kind of dampen the greatness of the other songs. I don't think MWP was quite ready to write his own songs yet at this point in his musical development, although the music in them is great. Maybe These Boys is, well, different. Although the album has some bright spots (The first three songs are possibly the best string of 3 songs opening any Church album), the album as a whole just doesn't have very much direction or common feel. Just my 2 or 3 cents. Carl From BSmith@VCOMTELC.TELECOM.com.au Mon Oct 4 17:34 PDT 1993 From: "Smith, Brian" Cc: Church Subject: RE: a (SORT OF) public hearing > all of these public church hearings, sightings, etc, have inspired me to > share a related story from way back: Me too ! Did anyone see the episdoe of '21 Jump Street' where The Church was the Featured Band ? They played Reptile, Milky Way and a couple of others (I think.) Brian From p8ef044@stan.xx.swin.OZ.AU Tue Oct 5 07:03 PDT 1993 From: PAYLING J Subject: Re: Public Church hearing (fwd) Cc: seance list > > I worked this summer at the Nike factory store in Freeport, ME, and > we had some pretty damn lousy music. It was some Muzak station, and > it had about 12 songs that played every day, but they also threw in > some odd ones now and then (psycho early-'80s stuff, euro-dance, Blur, > School of Fish,) and I heard "Metropolis" a few times, and once > something off "Starfish". It usually made my week. > That's nuffin! :).. Where I last worked they had the radio tuned constantly to a 'classic rock' station, ie: crap from 60's and 70's, and the thing was so bloody loud it usually overpowered my walkman :) Regards, Elkor. From schindle@leland.Stanford.EDU Tue Oct 5 09:01 PDT 1993 From: Sarah Elizabeth Schindler Subject: Re: THE POLL (finally...) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Forwarded message: > From mrgreen@circlip.mame.mu.OZ.AU Sun Oct 3 22:12:53 1993 > To: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM > >Well folks, here are the Church Poll results finally... > geeez.. i didn't even get around to sending mine in... Neither did I!! (Uh-oh, I hope this doesn't become a trend!) So here I go to add my $.02... And I'll resist the urge to give 6's to everything :-). > >Of Skins And Heart > >------------------ > >Here, the scores ranged from 2 to 6, with mostly 4's and 5's. > >Still, I don't know what people like about this record. Is it > >the edgy and manic sound - or the sweet and delicious sound, > >represented by "Bel Air" and the bonus cuts? AVERAGE: 4.4. > > hmmm, i'd give it a 5. i love it. `is this where you live' > would be my favourite song on this album... Yeah, 4 or 5 -- a great debut, but not nearly as good as: > >The Blurred Crusade > >------------------- > >My favorite. And several other's as well. Scores ranging > >from 3 to 6. AVERAGE: 4.8. > > one of the many church album's to be my `fave'. it gets a > 6. best song would be `when you were mine' (I think) This is definitely a 6. What a great album. My favorite, undoubtedly. I could listen to "Almost With You," "Just For You," and "To Be in Your Eyes" all day long... (some days, I do). > > >Seance > >------ > >Another well liked one. AVERAGE: 4.6. > > hmm, i'd only give this one a 3. i like it, but its not my > favorite. I'd have to give this a 5. My favorite tape used to be a cassette which stereo ate it :-(. > > >Remote Luxury > >------------- > >Oh dear. Something apparently is wrong with this one. I'd like > >to hear your opinions on why. In my ears, they simply aren't > >The Church on 'Remote Luxury', and there is a somewhat 'artificial' > >sound to this recording. Could it be that they weren't stone enough? > >Scores ranging from 1 to 5. AVERAGE: 3.4. > > is this the ep or the album ? i've got the album and i like it. > a like it a lot, infact. constant in opal, volumes, the shadow > cabinet are all in my `fave church songs' list. it gets a 4. If we're talking about the album, I'd have to say it's pretty uneven. Half the songs are great, half are just 'there.' Shadow Cabinet was the first Church song I ever heard, and it always will be one of my favorites. How about a 3.5? > > >Heyday > >------ > >Wow. What a return. To me, this one defines the 'Church Sound', > >with the most jingly-jangly guitars, and most esoteric lyrics. > >Perhaps a tad to sweet? Anyway, people rate this one anywhere from > >3 to 6. And people who love this one seems to loathe the previous > >one. (Generally speaking). AVERAGE: 5.0. > > hmm, heyday is another of my `not so fave' church albums. i'd > give it a 3.. I'll give it a 4.5.... > > >Hindsight > >--------- > >To me, this is an exciting record. And I mean the inclusion of > >the B-sides of course. It's exciting to hear the differences in > >kinky "In A Heartbeat" and the raw and blistering "Fraulein". > >"Life Speeds Up" is the Church at their most orchestral, and > >catchy it is too. You guys like this one, from 4 to 6 to be > >exact. AVERAGE: 4.7. > > hindsight is a great album(s), but i've only got it on cassette, > so i rarely listen to it. a 5. 5 From me too.... Am I the only one who thinks they sound like the Beatles on their earlier tracks (Fraulein, etc.)?? > > >Starfish > >-------- > >Hehe. You don't surprise me. Two 4's. One 5'er. And ELEVEN 6's!!! > >Apparently, many of you catched on to The Church with this one. > >And let's also see through the fingers with the commercial appeal > >of this album. It IS a classic. AVERAGE: 5.6. > > oh this gets a 10. definately. uh, oh is this out of 6 ? sorry.. Starfish doesn't do it for me like the earlier albums do; 4. > > >Gold Afternoon > >-------------- > >A great disappointment for many of you, it seems that they have > >LOST some of their SPARK. Probably had to much of the music > >business's BLOOD MONEY since "Starfish". Time they experienced > >A NEW SEASON. (See "Priest=Aura"). Scores from 2 to 5. > >AVERAGE: 4.1. > > hmm, i don't mind gaf. maybe a 3 though. it drags on a bit > until the end... I'll give this a 4, too. I'm glad they didn't continue in this direction with their sound, though. > > >A Quick Smoke At Spot's > >----------------------- > >This one fares not to well, and a surprise it is NOT. Very uneven > >of course, but with few highlights. In my opinion 'Texas Moon' is > >brilliant though, and 'Anna Miranda' not too bad either. > >Scores are low, from 2 to 4. AVERAGE: 2.7. > > awwww.. i give this a 5!! texas moon is worth its weight in > platinum... I love this album -- for me, it captures the best part of their sound during this period. It gets a 6 from me. > > >Priest=Aura > >----------- > >Now people tend to show what they like about The Church. Points > >awarded from 2 to 7. (Yes, Polar Bear, I'll OK your rating > >on this one :-) ). People disliking "Remote Luxury" tends to > >love this one. > > you sure this is out of 6 ? i'd give this a 20 if i could.. I think there are a lot of good things about this album. "Dome" is listening to it. I'll give it a 5, although programming th CD player to skip that song gets annoying after a while.... > >BEST SONG Almost with you, Shadow Cabinet, To Be in Your Eyes.... many others; pick one. > > >Peculiar how the two least favorite albums (with the exception > >of "A Quick Smoke At Spot's" aren't represented on this list... > > > >SOLO ALBUMS > >Peter Koppes' material aren't destined to stardom, regarding > >to you. His work isn't mentioned. > > Steve, on the other hand, seems pretty popular with > >"Unearthed" - mentioned thrice (x3), and Mort likes "Remindlessness" > >best. One guy finds the Jack Frost collaboration most worthwhile. > > `narcosis ep' should have been included in this i think. it is > the most amazing 23 minutes i own, otherwise i'll have to side > with mortie and go for remindlessness... Me too. 'Somna' is a mind-blowing song..... > > >OTHER FAVORITES I'm *really* into Lloyd Cole right now. Otherwise... Roxy Music, Peter Gabriel.... Sarah -- "...she's inappropriate, but then she's much more fun..." --Lloyd Cole From s932544@yallara.cs.rmit.oz.au Thu Oct 7 09:30 PDT 1993 From: s932544@yallara.cs.rmit.oz.au (Mr BuDGiE) Subject: Re: another public hearing far away Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM > > I, too, also heard some Church where i least suspected it. It was > in a bar in San Sebastian, Spain. The guy would always put on "Under a Milky" > and "Blood Money." He did this 3 times of all the times that i went there. > Finally i got up and asked him to let it run, so i could hear "Lost", one of > of my favourites. I still can't believe that i heard the band here since > musical tastes in Spain are different. I listen to all kinds of stuff, but > Spanish pop isn't that tempting. > And what mall in Dallas did you hear the church? I live a little > further south in a oh-so-lovely place called College Station. > > later, > mark > > Just a tid-bit for the Spanish ppl. While holidaying in Spain, Steve kilbey came accross a class of Spanish people learing english, he saw on some guys pad 'preist=cura' (something like cura) and had mistaken it for 'preist = aura', and thought it would make a great name for an album. Cheers, Andrew.. e From s932544@yallara.cs.rmit.oz.au Thu Oct 7 10:23 PDT 1993 From: s932544@yallara.cs.rmit.oz.au (Mr BuDGiE) Subject: Church Poll......late... ok, well instead of replying to 'POLL (finally)...', heres my response that i didn't get to post before oct 3rd.... BEST ALBUM WORSE 1 2 3 4 5 6 BEST Of Skins And Heart |__|__|__|x_|__|__| The Blurred Crusade |__|__|__|__|__|x_| Seance |__|__|x_|__|__|__| Remote Luxury |__|__|__|__|__|__| (Haven't heard RL, but have heard Persia, which i would give 3.) Heyday |__|__|__|__|__|x_| Hindsight 1980-87 |__|__|__|__|__|__| Starfish |__|__|__|__|x_|__| Gold Afternoon Fix |__|__|__|__|x_|__| A Quick Smoke At Spot's |__|x_|__|__|__|__| Priest=Aura |__|__|__|__|x_|__| BEST SONG - shit, what an extremely HARD question, well, for a spontaneous answer (for which i could never give a definate answer), i guess i'd say 'SECRET CORNERS' from Blurred Crusade followed very closely by 'FIELD OF MARS'. BEST SOLO ALBUM (INCLUDING COLLABORATIONS) Pick ONE (or none) ALBUM from this list below. Steve Kilbey (solo): Jack Frost (with G.W. McLennan): _Jack Frost_ -Being a fan of the Go-Betweens, i think this album far out runs all others. BEST CONCERT Please list the Church gigs you've been to (if any), and include your comments on the performances. - Well, i've only seen them twice, the last one was their very last show at the Palace (Aust) Friday 9th October '92, just before Peter Koppes left the band. During the show SK see-sawed between obvious regret/ upset for this passing of the Church era, although this didn't drag down the atmosphere and their performance of the night. This show was definately a much better improvement than their lack lustre show of the previous year at about the same time. YOUR OTHER FAVORITE ARTISTS List a couple of bands/artists that you listen to most frequently in addition to you know who. Australian: - Ed Kuepper, Painters And Dockers, TISM. Overseas: - Slowdive, Sundays, Smiths, Einsturzende Neubauten (sp?). ----- Andrew.. s932544@yallara.cs.rmit.edu.au From mosk Mon Oct 11 16:32 PDT 1993 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: THE POLL (finally...) Sorry I'm late, but my ethernet cord wouldn't reach to my vacation spot.... > From oyvindst@ifi.uio.no Sun Oct 3 18:33 PDT 1993 > > Well folks, here are the Church Poll results finally... > > First of all, thanks to those who participated! It has been quite > amusing reading through your answers, many of you have obviously > taken this quite seriously -- which I sure didn't mean it to > be... :-) Geez, I feel like I've been taken advantage of, and there wasn't even any candy involved (for the norskis on the list: yes, I can be bought with Stratos!) :-) > Of Skins And Heart > ------------------ > Here, the scores ranged from 2 to 6, with mostly 4's and 5's. > Still, I don't know what people like about this record. Is it > the edgy and manic sound - or the sweet and delicious sound, > represented by "Bel Air" and the bonus cuts? AVERAGE: 4.4. > Well, I gave it a 6, not because of the delicious sound, but because of all the manic guitar-work on it. Sit down and listen to "Fighter Pilot" with headphones and the amp cranked to 11, and you will see... > Remote Luxury > ------------- > Oh dear. Something apparently is wrong with this one. I'd like > to hear your opinions on why. In my ears, they simply aren't > The Church on 'Remote Luxury', and there is a somewhat 'artificial' > sound to this recording. Could it be that they weren't stone enough? > Scores ranging from 1 to 5. AVERAGE: 3.4. > As Sarah pointed out, it's pretty uneven, due to the fact that it really is two mini-albums. I have re-programmed the cd so that it will play the tracks in the order of the eps, and that improved it some. I still agree that it's not one of their strongest. > Heyday > ------ > Wow. What a return. To me, this one defines the 'Church Sound', To me this defines the Church as close to a sell-out as possible. The slick and overproduced sound is as thick and furry as the oriental rugs they are using as a backdrop for the cover pic. Side 2 is almost forgettable. If it hadn't been for Already Yesterday and Columbus, this album would have been a 1 or a 2. > Hindsight > --------- > To me, this is an exciting record. And I mean the inclusion of > the B-sides of course. It's exciting to hear the differences in > kinky "In A Heartbeat" and the raw and blistering "Fraulein". > "Life Speeds Up" is the Church at their most orchestral, and > catchy it is too. You guys like this one, from 4 to 6 to be > exact. AVERAGE: 4.7. > My second fave album. I'm not so sure about the Beatles comparison, Sarah, if Grandpa Macca and co had played anything like this, I would have started a mop-top mailing-list too... Scanning my RAM (random access mind), the only two beatles tracks I can think of that sound anything like the church would be "Dr. Robert" and "And your bird can sing".... > Starfish > -------- > Hehe. You don't surprise me. Two 4's. One 5'er. And ELEVEN 6's!!! > Apparently, many of you catched on to The Church with this one. Not necessarily. This album is just a superb album, and I know people with absolutely no taste in music who own this album! In my ears this album has the same exciting (although different) guitarwork that just makes the album one that you always discover new things on.. I had lost hope after Heyday, and I didn't like UtMW that much at first, but as I kept listening, the album just got better and better....It still does... > And let's also see through the fingers with the commercial appeal > of this album. It IS a classic. AVERAGE: 5.6. > Commercial appeal, yes. But I don't think that was intentional. Heyday was more the "big name" producer album that was going to break them in the States. I think Starfish was more a combo of an excellent hit-song (still without departing from the Church sound), a superb video, an album that was different than the hit song but still very pallatable for the band-wagon crowd and a record company that believed in the band... Oh and maybe the doobies were great too, I don't know... > Gold Afternoon > -------------- > A great disappointment for many of you, it seems that they have > LOST some of their SPARK. Probably had to much of the music > business's BLOOD MONEY since "Starfish". Time they experienced > A NEW SEASON. (See "Priest=Aura"). Scores from 2 to 5. > AVERAGE: 4.1. > I think they were also very pressurized to create another Starfish from the record company big-wigs... > Priest=Aura > ----------- > Now people tend to show what they like about The Church. Points > awarded from 2 to 7. (Yes, Polar Bear, I'll OK your rating > on this one :-) ). People disliking "Remote Luxury" tends to > love this one. I think this one is worse than GAF.. There's only 3-4 tracks here that I think is worth listening to. > > Please take these comments with a grain of salt (or something like > that). > Or a Stratos! > > BEST SONG > Yes folks, I included this just for sheer fun. And as soon as I get my Hair Replacement Kit from Elton John, I'm sure I will look back at this and laugh too.... > SOLO ALBUMS > Peter Koppes' material aren't destined to stardom, regarding > to you. His work isn't mentioned. > Steve, on the other hand, seems pretty popular with > "Unearthed" - mentioned thrice (x3), and Mort likes "Remindlessness" > best. Only because you refused to include "Narcosis" in the list... :-) > Marty's latest, "Spirit Level" receives two votes, and "Touched > By Jesus" (Halleluiah) one from God himself, whoops, I mean Anders > Faerden. "Marty does fantastic things with his guitar on this rec.", > he says. Well, the title says everything... Well, I have to agree with Anders about the guitar part. It's great. And aren't we all touched by the ol' JC in some way or another? Even though there is a spiritual side to Marty's solo-records, I think it is more from an existentialist(sp?) point of view (note his references to Strindberg on the cover of Spirit Level) than a deeply religious point of view. > > OTHER FAVORITES > Hrmmm... This one's REALLY interesting. I mean, people listening > to The Church must have good taste in music, and this question > probably answers that. At least, there are some names that I've > checked out and found worthwhile. :-) So this is how you find your new music??? :-) > It pleases me to see that The Dream Syndicate/Steve Wynn is fairly > popular among Thy Faithful - perhaps the two bands have more in > common than meets the ears. Yep, Steve Wynn _played_ in the Dream Syndicate....Oh, you mean between D.S. and the Church?? Nevermind then... (heh heh) > Thanks for your attention. > And thanks for playing with our minds, Oyvind! :-) > -Oyvind > -morten From p8ef044@stan.xx.swin.OZ.AU Tue Oct 12 13:09 PDT 1993 From: PAYLING J Subject: Church After listening to Starfish last night for the squillionth time (hey, it's the only cd in my car I can listen to!) I discovered I suddenly liked the song NEW SEASON.. now this was odd because I'd always found Peter Koppes has a weak and annoying voice and this song is hardly a masterpiece but I've changed my mind and I think it's awesome... Does anyone else care to comment on this song and other Koppes efforts? Regards, Elkor. "Wear a gun and be proud, but bear breasts aren't allowed" From ckoontz@rdxsun40.aud.alcatel.com Tue Oct 12 14:28 PDT 1993 From: ckoontz@rdxsun40.aud.alcatel.com (Carl "448 MHz" Koontz) Subject: Re: A New Season > PAYLING J says: > >After listening to Starfish last night for the squillionth time (hey, it's >the only cd in my car I can listen to!) I discovered I suddenly liked >the song NEW SEASON.. now this was odd because I'd always found Peter >Koppes has a weak and annoying voice and this song is hardly a masterpiece >but I've changed my mind and I think it's awesome... Does anyone else care >to comment on this song and other Koppes efforts? > I agree. A New Season is one of my favorite songs on Starfish. Of course, every song on there is one of my favorite songs on the album. I find Koppes' voice to be very shallow. He doesn't have a rich voice full of harmonics, and so I guess it doesn't record very well. Actually, what really catches me on A New Season and makes it a great song is the line Kilbey sings (Sensory gifts to all who come...) but the guitar textures in this song are very good as well. You've only listened to Starfish a squillion times? Carl From jefhkahn@iastate.edu Tue Oct 12 14:48 PDT 1993 From: jefhkahn@iastate.edu Subject: The definitive Church song Ok, so SK says "Almost With You" is THE definitive Church song. What do you all think? In other words, which Church song best defines what you think of as the Church sound? I know that a lot of you will argue that the Church sound is multifaceted -- I agree. But if you had to choose one song to play to someone to explain what the Church sound like, what song would it be? I'll even start: To me, "Shadow Cabinet" is the definitive Church song. It has the distinct combination of guitars, the surreal lyrics, and the somewhat dark mood. It captures probably every aspect of what I think of as the Church sound. OK, I went. Who's next? Jef. From BSmith@VCOMTELC.TELECOM.com.au Tue Oct 12 17:45 PDT 1993 From: "Smith, Brian" Cc: Church Subject: RE: Church [Tribute to New Season sadly deleted] > > "Wear a gun and be proud, but bear breasts aren't allowed" I should think not ! Grizzly bears showing their mammaries in public !? Such a shocking thought ? Shameless polar bears, lascivious Kodiaks, all the Bear family are exhibitionists at heart ! > I think 'bare' is the right spelling in this case, but "bear breasts" is a neat thought....... Brian "Bare Bears" Smith From pjmorse@unix.amherst.edu Tue Oct 12 18:22 PDT 1993 From: Polar Bear Subject: RE: Church (fwd) > > "Wear a gun and be proud, but bear breasts aren't allowed" > I should think not ! Grizzly bears showing their mammaries in public !? > Such a shocking thought ? Shameless polar bears, lascivious Kodiaks, all > the Bear family are exhibitionists at heart ! *ah-HEM!* We have good taste in music, too... -- polar bear pjmorse@unix.amherst.edu From p8ef044@stan.xx.swin.OZ.AU Tue Oct 12 21:51 PDT 1993 From: PAYLING J Subject: Re: The definitive Church song Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM On Tue, 12 Oct 1993 jefhkahn@iastate.edu wrote: > Ok, so SK says "Almost With You" is THE definitive Church song. What > do you all think? In other words, which Church song best defines > what you think of as the Church sound? I know that a lot of you will > argue that the Church sound is multifaceted -- I agree. But if you > had to choose one song to play to someone to explain what the Church > sound like, what song would it be? Well the song which got me hooked onto the church was definately 'Destination' from Starfish.. to me this symbolized everything I love about the church sound now, Kilbeys rambling vocals, beautiful guitar work and a guitar leading the chorus.. a very melancholy song really but my favourite and characterised alot of their later work Elkor. From mgw2414@u.cc.utah.edu Wed Oct 13 12:07 PDT 1993 From: Matthew Wimmer Subject: Re: The definitive Church song Cc: jefhkahn@iastate.edu, seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM I think I would personally have to say "Under the Milky Way" Yeah, I know, its their only big hit, but there are reasons for this. If a song is really, really, good sometimes even top 40 listeners will recognize it. Or not. The acoustic version is much better than the album, though, I think. Either that or "Remote Luxury" even though it has no lyrics. Maybe for personal reasons. From mosk Wed Oct 13 13:36 PDT 1993 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: The definitive Church song > From: Matthew Wimmer > I think I would personally have to say "Under the Milky Way" Yeah, I > know, its their only big hit, but there are reasons for this. If a > song is really, really, good sometimes even top 40 listeners will > recognize it. Or not. The acoustic version is much better than the > album, though, I think. Either that or "Remote Luxury" even though it has > no lyrics. Maybe for personal reasons. > If I was going to play _one_ song (although it's unklikely anyone would get away with just one song in my house..) for somebody not familiar with the Church, it would have to be The Unguarded Moment. This song has everything that makes them so Divine; un-interpretable lyrics ("tell those men with horses for hearts"), a superb guitar-theme, a spine-chilling solo and of course great playing throughout. Then I would probably follow up with "When you were mine". If this someone then asked "what was their hit" (which is the way most people think over here) I would of course play "UtMW". And as Matthew says, there is a reason why this song became a hit. And a lot of people actually recognize it, they just have no clue as to who's playing... -morten From p8ef044@stan.xx.swin.OZ.AU Wed Oct 13 16:45 PDT 1993 From: PAYLING J Subject: Re: The definitive Church song Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM > > > > If I was going to play _one_ song (although it's unklikely anyone would > get away with just one song in my house..) for somebody not familiar > with the Church, it would have to be The Unguarded Moment. > This song has everything that makes them so Divine; un-interpretable > lyrics ("tell those men with horses for hearts"), a superb guitar-theme, > a spine-chilling solo and of course great playing throughout. > Un interpretable lyrics? Oooh that's a bit harsh, I don't mean for the church (who does know what he's talking about?!), but that song in particular. It's one of the church songs which I can sort of relate to and interperet... 'Horses for hearts', 'Cameras for eyes', these are all very recognizable traits of people, and taken in context I think the song makes alot of sense.. if I was to summarise it's meaning it would sound trite, but I love the song because it's so simple and means so much.. > > If this someone then asked "what was their hit" (which is the way most people > think over here) I would of course play "UtMW". And as Matthew > says, there is a reason why this song became a hit. And a lot of people > actually recognize it, they just have no clue as to who's playing... > I think it's a damn shame Metropolis didn't become a hit, that's probably their most commercial song yet, but it's beautiful and so catchy.. Just shows, It lacked full media support I figure (you NEVER hear it on the radio here (OZ)).. I mean, if Nirvana can be pushed so far then it's a shame The Church get off badly.. Regards, Elkor. From mosk Wed Oct 13 17:06 PDT 1993 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: The definitive Church song > From p8ef044@stan.xx.swin.OZ.AU Wed Oct 13 16:44 PDT 1993 > > Un interpretable lyrics? Oooh that's a bit harsh, I don't mean for the > church (who does know what he's talking about?!), but that song in > particular. It's one of the church songs which I can sort of relate to and > interperet... 'Horses for hearts', 'Cameras for eyes', these are all very > recognizable traits of people, and taken in context I think the song makes > alot of sense.. if I was to summarise it's meaning it would sound trite, > but I love the song because it's so simple and means so much.. > It wasn't meant to be harsh, but I have never been able to really tell what the hell the whole song is about. Then again, I've never been that good at interpreting stuff anyway, and maybe he's using phrases that are more common in Oz than over here??? Don't misunderstand, I _LOVE_ the images the sentences conjurs up, I just have not been able to make any logical sense out of it. And I think that's part of the beauty about the Church. Their lyrics can mean nothing and everything depending on your frame of mind at that moment... Try that with Madonna's lyrics :-) > > I think it's a damn shame Metropolis didn't become a hit, that's probably > their most commercial song yet, but it's beautiful and so catchy.. Just > shows, It lacked full media support I figure (you NEVER hear it on the > radio here (OZ)).. I mean, if Nirvana can be pushed so far then it's a > shame The Church get off badly.. > > I agree in regards to Micropolis. And Ripple should have been a mega-hit too. I have never seen the fascination people have with Nirvana. But then again I've never understood the fascination people have for Madonna, Prince and M. Jackson either. I think sucess in the music biz is quite random actually. God knows it has nothing to do with talent... Personally, I hope the Church never make it mega-big. Heck, we could risk they would turn in to another REM or something, and we don't want to risk that, do we??? > Regards, > Elkor. -m (ducking quickly to avoid flame-mail!) From mgw2414@u.cc.utah.edu Thu Oct 14 12:15 PDT 1993 From: Matthew Wimmer Subject: Re: The definitive Church song Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM For the Church to ever get really big I think the world would have to increase its intake of hallucinogens very substantially. Maybe this would be a good thing-- Maybe politicians on acid would make sense-- think of it-- it'd be great. People would sit around and build heliopolis' and go on quests for girls, sailors, and hot dog trailers to fill up a sunday afternoon. Or if the church were really a church, and steve kilbey was its prophet and mwp its main priest. Somehow, I think this is highly unlikely, but its fun to think about... From mosk Thu Oct 14 12:41 PDT 1993 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: The definitive Church song > From mgw2414@u.cc.utah.edu Thu Oct 14 12:15 PDT 1993 > > Or if the church were really a church, and steve kilbey was > its prophet and mwp its main priest. Somehow, I think this is highly > unlikely, but its fun to think about... It may be closer than you think! :-) I know about 50 people who subscribes to this religion. And you have just entered the cult! Aren't you glad you joined??? :-) -morten (ok, the salami on my sandwich is full of hallucogens) From mosk Thu Oct 14 12:45 PDT 1993 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: t-shirts Cc: seance@thechurch > From mspizuco@sas.upenn.edu Thu Oct 14 11:50 PDT 1993 > Greetings Morton! > > I received your reply welcoming me into the club. I'm glad Jack Frost was > not a one-shot deal. I was wondering if anyone knows about solo t-shirts. > I have Marty's Art Attack and Steve's Unearthed shirts and would like to > add to the collection. Link-up soon. > > Matt Spizuco > > Matt, The only t-shirts I have seen were at the concerts for the various albums. I have seen a Heyday, Starfish, Hindsight and GAF t-shirts. No solo stuff. Maybe someone else has. Anyone? -m From mrgreen@circlip.mame.mu.OZ.AU Thu Oct 14 19:24 PDT 1993 Subject: Re: t-shirts <9310141945.AA02503@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM> From: matthew green i've got a priest=aura hat. i love it. mrg.. From ctn2d@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu Thu Oct 14 23:50 PDT 1993 15 Oct 93 2:51 EDT From: melvin Morten Skjefte Subject: Re: The definitive Church song Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Sorry, but I have to add my personal sentiment: about the drugs, fuck that shit. I think it sucks real bad that the church are involved with that kind of immaturity. Real artists don't need drugs to create. thank you chris From jtehran@husc.harvard.edu Fri Oct 15 00:06 PDT 1993 From: jtehran@husc.harvard.edu Subject: how about most definitive un-church like song? well, I had a thought.. while we're discussing the most definitive church song, how about discussing the most unchurch like songs in the church catalogs...... I got to thinking about this while listening to GAF.. when You're STill Beautiful came on, I really got to thinking about how it is such an unchurch-like song... I mean, SK 's lyrics are totally comprehensible (both in terms of enunciation and meaning), he is trying to be overtly humorous (to little effect in my opinion) and the whole song just doesn't sound very church-like.. sounds more like an idea for a single to launch the church into commercial-land... but, of course, that didn't work either... anyway, gsoi, you're STill Beautiful would definitely have to be considered in this list of un-church like songs... anyway, another pickof mine would be Maybe These Boys, which is arguably the worst church song ever... (You're still beautiful is not a terrible song, but, just quite un-church like...) also, I would have to say that, among the moments of un-church like history, one stands out... ok, the moment is from The Disillusionist... the song builds nicely into a really quite beautiful scene setting kinda feel (in a serious, creepy, ominous way)... but, then, oh no, then comes the HORRIBLE chorus.. hahahha, I tell you, ICK up every time I oops, rather, i CRACK up every time I hear the chorus.. I mean, hearing the boys chant "THEY say that hhe's famous from the waist down....." just RUINS the entire song.. and, it makes the song sound like some sort of stupid drunken pub chant.... absolute terrible.. hehehe.. a shameless waste of an otherwise very interesting song... anyway, well, any comments on the definitive un-church like moment/song in the church catalog? John From vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu Fri Oct 15 06:17 PDT 1993 via MS.5.6.diadem.weh.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax_ul4; From: Vernon H Harmon Subject: Re: The definitive Church song Cc: Vernon H Harmon Excerpts from mail: 13-Oct-93 Re: The definitive Church song Morten Skjefte@EBay.Sun. (2081) > I agree in regards to Micropolis. And Ripple should have been a mega-hit too. > I have never seen the fascination people have with Nirvana. But then again > I've never understood the fascination people have for Madonna, Prince and > M. Jackson either. I think sucess in the music biz is quite random actually. > God knows it has nothing to do with talent... > Personally, I hope the Church never make it mega-big. Heck, we could > risk they would turn in to another REM or something, and we don't want to > risk that, do we??? > -m (ducking quickly to avoid flame-mail!) No flames, but I thought Metropolis *was* a minor hit in the US...? I remember hearing it a *lot* on the radio (albeit that wasn't top 40), so much so that when I bought GAF I always skipped Metropolis because I was so sick of hearing it. Also, btw, Prince has a lot of talent. He is (was?) one of the most creative musicians of the '80's (not to mention prolific). After "1999" you'd be hard-pressed to find back-to-back albums of his that sound alike. Did you know that he can play 22 different instruments? (just about everything except horns) --Vernon. From mosk Fri Oct 15 08:40 PDT 1993 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: The definitive Church song > From vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu Fri Oct 15 06:17 PDT 1993 > > No flames, but I thought Metropolis *was* a minor hit in the US...? I remember > hearing it a *lot* on the radio (albeit that wasn't top 40), so much so > that when > I bought GAF I always skipped Metropolis because I was so sick of hearing it. > It may have been on alternative rock radio stations, yes. However, in this area I only heard it for a while and now they have gone back to playing UtMW or Unguarded _if_ they play anything by them at all. Heck, all they play these days is grunge..... > Also, btw, Prince has a lot of talent. He is (was?) one of the most > creative musicians > of the '80's (not to mention prolific). After "1999" you'd be > hard-pressed to find > back-to-back albums of his that sound alike. Did you know that he can play > 22 different instruments? (just about everything except horns) > But he doesn't play any of those 22 instruments in a way _I_ like. :-) It's just a matter of taste, I simply don't like Prince, and therefore don't think he has any talent. So I am biased! So what? :-) > --Vernon. > -m (living on the edge...) From mosk Fri Oct 15 08:54 PDT 1993 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: un-Church opinion > From mspizuco@sas.upenn.edu Fri Oct 15 06:51 PDT 1993 > > HOWEVER, I thought (and I'm sure to feel fire on > this one) Priest=Aura was a major disappointment. Rather, I will go a > step further and say it sucked. I couldn't find one song on that album > that was able to stand out from the rest. It was like the producer, whom > I blame for this travesty, told the band to stick to one sheet of music > and simply make the words fit. I do not blame the creative talents of the > band because I was informed they wanted a commercially popular album and > were redirected to this miserable product. Finally one that agrees with me. I wouldn't say Aura sucked, but a major disappointment, yes definitely. In my opinion there's 4 memorable tunes, Aura, Ripple, Paradox and the incredible Film. The rest is more or less noise/fluff... (We may need to build a bunker to avoid all the flames we will get, Matthew...) As for who's to blame for the album, I think it's the band themselves. In an interview I read, MWP said they had fled to Australia to record the album away from the US big-wigs. The Church wanted to experiment more and get away from the commercial road they were on, and all the noise / feedback is a result of being pressured into doing things Arista's way on the previous 2 albums. > This is Matthew. Last surviving member of the Nostromo, signing off. Did we just sign up the mafia here, or what???? :-) :-) -morten From mgw2414@u.cc.utah.edu Fri Oct 15 10:04 PDT 1993 From: Matthew Wimmer Subject: Re: un-Church opinion Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM I loved Priest! If it had a down moment, I would have to say Chaos-- long boring and pointless. One of my fellow church fanatics thinks that is one of the best songs on the album, though. I also love "maybe these boys". Im just a rebel, I guess, or have extraordinarily bad taste. The most un-church song? From the notes on hindsight, Kilbey probably thinks "Fraulein", although I don't know if I'd agree. I would probably say nightmare or fog-- those are both pretty weird. From mosk Fri Oct 15 10:42 PDT 1993 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: un-Church opinion > From mgw2414@u.cc.utah.edu Fri Oct 15 10:04 PDT 1993 > > I loved Priest! If it had a down moment, I would have to say Chaos-- long > boring and pointless. One of my fellow church fanatics thinks that is > one of the best songs on the album, though. I also love "maybe these boys". > Im just a rebel, I guess, or have extraordinarily bad taste. The most > un-church song? From the notes on hindsight, Kilbey probably thinks > "Fraulein", although I don't know if I'd agree. I would probably say > nightmare or fog-- those are both pretty weird. Nightmare or Fog??? No way! Excellent songs, both of them. I had intended to add to my previous message that P=A spawned one of the best singles ever (all songs combined) in Ripple and of course the worst ever in Feel. I think the ragga mix of that song gets my vote for most un-church-ey piece of crap....arrrgh, I _loathe_ even thinking they ever released that one.... -m From mrgreen@circlip.mame.mu.OZ.AU Fri Oct 15 20:20 PDT 1993 Subject: Re: un-Church opinion From: matthew green i don't believe there is a `unchurch' song. `maybe the boys' has some weird guitar in it, which is why i like it. aura i love. aura/ripple start off the album superbly, it just keeps going.. there isn't a song i don't like.. chaos i love because its loud, noisy, excellent noisy guitar work, and amazingly hard to understand lyrics. songs that really stand out: aura, ripple, the disillusionist, old flame, choas, film. hmm, looking at that list, the end is also brilliant. mrg.. From mrgreen@circlip.mame.mu.OZ.AU Sat Oct 16 01:46 PDT 1993 Subject: mwp From: matthew green someone (i don't remember who and i'm too lazy to look) once commented that marty's songs back early weren't up to scratch. i've been just listening to the blurred crusade, and i love `feild of mars' almost as much as i do `when you were mind'. the first 4 songs just blow me away. oh, maybe these boy's is on right now ;) mrg.. ps mortie, clouds were great last night ;) From mrgreen@circlip.mame.mu.OZ.AU Sat Oct 16 09:29 PDT 1993 Subject: remote luxury From: matthew green i had to go out before just after `maybe these boys' had just finished, so i never got the second side. `shadow cabinet' just finished, and i just say. this group are so amazing. steve kilbey is my hero ;) mrg.. From Thad_Engeling@quickmail.natinst.com Sat Oct 16 11:38 PDT 1993 X-Priority: 4 From: Thad Engeling Subject: Re: un-Church opinion > I think the ragga mix of that song gets my vote > for most un-church-ey piece of crap....arrrgh, I _loathe_ even thinking I would have to agree with you on that one. Definitely the most un-churchy song, next to Maybe These Boys. And I was very happy to find the Ripple single a couple weekends ago at the Austin record convention. Thad From ckoontz@rdxsun40.aud.alcatel.com Mon Oct 18 05:49 PDT 1993 From: ckoontz@rdxsun40.aud.alcatel.com (Carl "448 MHz" Koontz) Subject: Re: mwp >someone (i don't remember who and i'm too lazy to look) >once commented that marty's songs back early weren't up >to scratch. i've been just listening to the blurred >crusade, and i love `feild of mars' almost as much as i That statement was made in response to why people don't seem to like the "Remote Luxury" album as much as other works from The Church in that period of their career. I said that and I have since decided to retract my statement. A couple days later I listened to "Remote Luxury" and had no problem with either "10,000 Miles" or "Volumes". "Field Of Mars" also predates "Remote Luxury" and is absolutely incredible. Later, Carl From ckoontz@rdxsun40.aud.alcatel.com Mon Oct 18 05:59 PDT 1993 From: ckoontz@rdxsun40.aud.alcatel.com (Carl "448 MHz" Koontz) Subject: Re: un-Church opinion >> From mspizuco@sas.upenn.edu Fri Oct 15 06:51 PDT 1993 >> >> HOWEVER, I thought (and I'm sure to feel fire on >> this one) Priest=Aura was a major disappointment. Rather, I will go a >> step further and say it sucked. I couldn't find one song on that album >> that was able to stand out from the rest. It was like the producer, whom >> I blame for this travesty, told the band to stick to one sheet of music >> and simply make the words fit. I do not blame the creative talents of the >> band because I was informed they wanted a commercially popular album and >> were redirected to this miserable product. > >Finally one that agrees with me. I wouldn't say Aura sucked, but a >major disappointment, yes definitely. In my opinion there's 4 memorable >tunes, Aura, Ripple, Paradox and the incredible Film. The rest is more >or less noise/fluff... (We may need to build a bunker to avoid all the >flames we will get, Matthew...) > The album definitely has its moments and its un-moments. My vote for the most un-Church song would have to be "Witch Hunt". This song is relatively terrible. P=A never really gets flowing. Too many short songs. Too many low points (Disillusionist chorus, third time Chaos starts up), but the high points definitely take the whole rock and roll thing to another level, IMHO. I thought the album really sucked at first. I only listned to it a couple of times and then didn't listen to it again for a year or so. It's been 10 years, we probably can't expect ever hearing another "Seance". I still think "Film" is "Happy Hunting Ground" without the strings. CK From mrgreen@circlip.mame.mu.OZ.AU Mon Oct 18 06:03 PDT 1993 Subject: Re: mwp <9310181250.AA24120@rdxsun40.aud.alcatel.com> From: matthew green excellent. i can't have my favourite guitarist going around getting slandered can i ;) mrg [who is feeling strange again] From mosk Mon Oct 18 07:59 PDT 1993 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: un-Church opinion > From ckoontz@rdxsun40.aud.alcatel.com Mon Oct 18 05:59 PDT 1993 > I still think "Film" is "Happy Hunting Ground" without the strings. > > > CK > Yikes!! You're kidding, right? You have to be.... -m From cs031003@cs.brown.edu Mon Oct 18 09:28 PDT 1993 From: cs031003@cs.brown.edu (Travis Pead) Subject: Worst church songs... Ok, "Maybe these Boys" is a definite loser, on that we all agree. But I think that the proverbial "boner songs" are much more common in the solo efforts of the individual artists who comprise the church. To name just a few... On Peter Koppes' From the Well: Any of the songs in which his bitch sings. I mean, she should be shot and have her brains bashed-out before she ever attempts again to sing on anything that will be released publicly. Melodie is just awful. Especially on the songs where Koppes' kids are singing, or whatever. Lullaby and Nursery Fugure I think. They're fine until her dischordant banshee wailing kicks in. I can't handle her. Maybe it's just me. On the whole too, although Koppes has some good songs on his solo albums, there's a LOT of dregs too. MWP, as much as I admire him, puts out a lot of sappy trash on his solo efforts. The guitar is great in most of the songs, but sometimes his "happy-feely" moods can go to far, or just get to sing-songy/nursery-rhymish. The chick that he uses on "Art Attack" is not as bad as Melodie, but she still blows. The only church-accomplice with any real musical grace is the woman from Hex. The Jack Frost guy blows too. Anyway, I really do dig the Church. Don't take these criticisms as signs of "infidelity" to the brotherhood/sisterhood of true worship. It's just, well, in my mind at least, that they're a lot like the beatles, in terms of their ability to write much better stuff together, than they do apart. Piper's too sing-songy (and the EP does epitomize the style, have you seen the shit he wears in the "different man" video? Just a little to baroque and made-up) Kilbey's too drug-induced cerebral to really do it alone. Plus, he's simply not as talented as MWP. Koppes (who's gone now so big deal) never seemed to care about it all as much. I mean, he used to be more skilled than MWP but MWP is a driven artist. Koppes is more regular guy who just lives a normal life. The drummers are basically negligible. Anyway, so much for my break-down of the church's individualistic components. Fine STP From kallista@netcom.com Mon Oct 18 10:06 PDT 1993 From: kallista@netcom.com (Christopher Barrus) Subject: Solo efforts and suckiness quotient Most of that post is flame-bait and for the most part I agree with you. Most (if not all) of the solo stuff pales in comparison with The Church. A good comparsion that I mentioned to a friend of mine (who hadn't heard any of the solo stuff) was to the band Yes. Most of the band stuff is good, but those solo albums! *phew!* However, I do take issue with the following: The only church-accomplice with any real musical grace is the woman from Hex. The Jack Frost guy blows too. Hex is good. Grant McClennan (the other Jack Frost guy) most pointedly does not blow. Check out any of his work with his former band The Go-Betweens. Chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Chris Barrus "Sacred cows make the best hamburger" - Abbie Hoffman kallista@netcom.com '72 Riviera - Peace through superior firepower! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From mosk Mon Oct 18 11:39 PDT 1993 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: Worst church songs... > From cs031003@cs.brown.edu Mon Oct 18 09:28 PDT 1993 > > On Peter Koppes' From the Well: Any of the songs in which his bitch sings. > Woah! I agree with you that Melodie does not live up to her name, but that doesn't justify the language you are using. Koppes released all his stuff on his own labels, and if he wants to humiliate his wife publicly, then that's up to him.... Although from a consumer piont-of view there's should have been warning labels... :-) > The chick that he uses on "Art Attack" is not as bad as Melodie, but she still > blows. > I disagree. I think Water (that Ann (his wife) sings on) is the highlight of the Art Attack CD. I also like her solo-album a lot.... > The only church-accomplice with any real musical grace is the woman from Hex. Donette is a great talent. She used to be with a great band called Game Theory also, where she played guitar and sang (mostly) backup vocals. Check it out. And she was in (I believe) a heavy-rock band before that. > The Jack Frost guy blows too. > The JF album is a very close collaboration (I think), so if you think it sucks, I believe our Steve has to take 50% of the blame. I thought they were best on the late-night show they were on here in the US, when they played an acoustic version of "Thought that I was over you". > Anyway, I really do dig the Church. Don't take these criticisms as signs of > "infidelity" to the brotherhood/sisterhood of true worship. It's just, well, > in my mind at least, that they're a lot like the beatles, in terms of their > ability to write much better stuff together, than they do apart. Piper's > too sing-songy (and the EP does epitomize the style, have you seen the shit > he wears in the "different man" video? Just a little to baroque and made-up) But "sing-songs" was more influenced by Kilbey than MWP. It's Steve's songs all the way through... And what MWP wears is up to him... If you don't like it, don't look at the video, just listen to the music. > Kilbey's too drug-induced cerebral to really do it alone. Plus, he's simply > not as talented as MWP. Koppes (who's gone now so big deal) never seemed > to care about it all as much. I mean, he used to be more skilled than MWP but > MWP is a driven artist. Koppes is more regular guy who just lives a normal > life. The drummers are basically negligible. Anyway, so much for my > break-down of the church's individualistic components. Fine > I agree with the comparison to the Beatles in that the sum of the parts is greater than the idividuals. However, I _DO NOT_ agree with your assessment of Kilbey's talents. In my opinion he is the one that has driven the Church all the way, he writes most of the songs, he writes the lyrics, he has the vision. He has also developed incredibly as a solo-artist. On his records he plays most of the stuff himself, while MWP usually has hired hands to back him up. In my opinion Steve is the Wizard, MWP is the Guitar Magician and Peter was the Cauldron where the Divine Brew was mixed. I think his departure could potentially be catastrophical to the Priesthood... > STP > -morten (ok, so I decided to dig into the flame-fest-feeding-frenzy) From cs031003@cs.brown.edu Mon Oct 18 13:48 PDT 1993 From: cs031003@cs.brown.edu (Travis Pead) Subject: Telos Twn Thewn Haha. Great. I seemed to have slipped off from my intended thesis and just rambled disparagingly about the various artists. I'll try to back it up more here... On Koppes. Not much strife, I mean, he could play guitar, and he did it. Can't sing worth a @#(!, but hey, neither can most livestock. MWP...Has the most potential of any of the musicians. As a (cough) guitarist, his music, when it is complex, is the most purely complex. He's improved so dramatically since the first few songs that are encapsulated in "The Church" or "Of skins and heart" (depending on what continent you buy in etc...) He's simply getting better. His In Reflection and Art Attack both basically were unfinished, often lousy, yet bearing sounds of promise. Rhyme took off though. Rhyme is, although a bit weird, a very good album. Spirit Level is perhaps too subdued, but musically, it's the best he's become. Aside from that, I can't help but think of "his" songs on the Church LPs such as Spark, The View, and Russian Autumn Heart, as anything but highpoints. I think he wrote "an interlude" too, but hell, I could be wrong. Anyway, MWP is just getting better. S.Kilbey. Kitsch. Has style and the flavor that has made the church distinct (along with the guitar style)...But as a keyboardist etc...He's inventive, creative, and all, but he has yet to reach "incredible musician" status, at least in terms of his raw "musical ability." So he can play bass. So can just about anyone who works at it a couple of years and has less than deficient motor skills. Keyboards are tougher, but he's hardly virtuoso on that yet. I mean, a lot of his stuff is still a little clanky. Maybe it's his hardware, but I think some of it is just because, well...He's an artist that's on an exploration...(to paraphrase) trying to capture sounds and songs that were once the music of higher spheres, always realizing that his work is but a faint echo...(blah blah barf...) And that's true. Kilbey is the "philosophy" of the church in his own person. My point, being a musician, is that he's not as good a musician as MWP. But then again, that's just my opinion. For flavor (everyone and their poster's probably done this...but hell) My TOP 12 Church Songs. (why 12, hell, I know 10 isn't enough) -------------------------------------------------------------- 1) Tear it all away. 2) Essence 3) An Interlude 4) To be in your eyes 5) One day 6) Into my hands 7) Life speeds up 8) The Feast 9) Hotel Womb 10)Sisters 11)Under the Milky Way (acoustic) (kitschy and pop, but still incredible) 12)Almost with you. (I didn't want to be redundant, but how can you not include this?) Best MWP album: Rhyme. Best Kilbey album: Unearthed. Best Koppes album: Better left unpublished. Best Church album: (seance? Never!) Weird, but I like Heyday. Worst MWP song: The lantern (ugh) Worst Kilbey song: A minute without you (moment?) Worst Koppes song: Drink from the cup/only wait/you name it Worst church song: Hunter or Dream off of Quick Smoke at Spots Enough robble again. And remember, these are the opinions of one with eccentric tastes. Please feel free to be offended, but remember that's there's no real reason too. The disillusionist. From MCA4860@ZEUS.TAMU.EDU Mon Oct 18 16:03 PDT 1993 From: MCA4860@ZEUS.TAMU.EDU Subject: Is it too earlier to slam videos yet? Well, maybe i should give my 2 cents about what songs i don't like either. But who cares anyway? I like "The disillusionist" until the drunken pub chant of a chorus comes on. What happened there? And i am probably also in the who-doesn't-like-Maybe These Boys-category? I imagine the audience all clapping along as they played it live (as if they would). But i guess their videos aren't much to waste disk space unlike their music. I just want to say that "Tantalized" is cool, and also those first few that were shot in someone's garage, shack, or whatever that place was. And maybe we should all give our comments on the band's shirts and trousers, especially Marty's scarfs, right? And haircuts, too! mark From kallista@netcom.com Mon Oct 18 16:28 PDT 1993 From: kallista@netcom.com (Christopher Barrus) Subject: The Disillusionist OK, am I the only one who actually LIKES the drunken pub chorus of "The Disillusionist?" Seriously, I actually do like it. I even sing along with it really loud, but only when no one else is looking (or listening). For that matter, I know someone who's favorite Church song of all time is "Witch Hunt." Go figure. The weakest songs on P=A as far as I'm concerned are "Paradox" (especially that one) and "Feel" (good music, sucky lyrics) Chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Chris Barrus "Sacred cows make the best hamburger" - Abbie Hoffman kallista@netcom.com '72 Riviera - Peace through superior firepower! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From mrgreen@circlip.mame.mu.OZ.AU Mon Oct 18 19:55 PDT 1993 Subject: Re: Telos Twn Thewn <9310182050.AA10308@cs.brown.edu> From: matthew green [ ... ] >Aside from that, I can't help but think of "his" songs on the Church LPs >such as Spark, The View, and Russian Autumn Heart, as anything but highpoints. >I think he wrote "an interlude" too, but hell, I could be wrong. Anyway, >MWP is just getting better. no, he wrote field of mars, .. its all on the back of my cd ;) >S.Kilbey. Kitsch. Has style and the flavor that has made the church distinct >(along with the guitar style)...But as a keyboardist etc...He's inventive, >creative, and all, but he has yet to reach "incredible musician" status, at >least in terms of his raw "musical ability." So he can play bass. So can >just about anyone who works at it a couple of years and has less than deficient >motor skills. Keyboards are tougher, but he's hardly virtuoso on that yet. >I mean, a lot of his stuff is still a little clanky. Maybe it's his hardware, >but I think some of it is just because, well...He's an artist that's on >an exploration...(to paraphrase) trying to capture sounds and songs that >were once the music of higher spheres, always realizing that his work is but >a faint echo...(blah blah barf...) And that's true. > >Kilbey is the "philosophy" of the church in his own person. My point, being >a musician, is that he's not as good a musician as MWP. But then again, >that's just my opinion. raw musical talents doesn't mean that much to me. steve vai, is a perfect example of this for me. i do not dig this guy's music, but i sure hell can appreciate how amazingly brilliant he is as a guitarist. sk, well, he's about my favourite everything ;) [ .. ] >12)Almost with you. (I didn't want to be redundant, but how can you not > include this?) you can't. every. >Worst Kilbey song: A minute without you (moment?) no such thing. that is, not the song. there just isn't a song you can call the worst. (i like a minute without you a lot, actually ;) mrg.. From mrgreen@circlip.mame.mu.OZ.AU Mon Oct 18 19:58 PDT 1993 Subject: Re: Is it too earlier to slam videos yet? <931018180628.20257854@ZEUS.TAMU.EDU> From: matthew green the video's for under the milky way, and ripple, are 2 of my favourite 3 videos of all time (and dang it, i can't ever remember what the 3rd one is, just that it does exists !) i was totally blown away the first time i saw ripple (i had heard it for some time, thanks to some cool person from CA ;) mrg.. From jtehran@husc.harvard.edu Tue Oct 19 01:54 PDT 1993 From: jtehran@husc.harvard.edu Subject: Steve Kilbey and his voice ok, well, everyone been discussing SK and the other members of the band and thier various contributions to the overall church sound... now, this is alittle tangent I thought i'd pose to the whole list... I have, like most of you, tried to spread the word to others about the church.. I always try to get friends to try out the church.e, etcetc.... and, the most typical reaction I hear fro people is "nice music.. but, that guy's voice is really really bad..." anyway, I would have to agree with them in the sen that SK's voice just isn't very good.... yes, he clealy has an important role in the church beyond his voice, but, I can't help but think that *warning: potential hersey* almost all of the Church's songs would sound be better in someone else's voice.... (with the possible exception of Under the Milky Way, which, seems to me, to be the only song which I don't think anyone else could really do better...) anyway, trying to objective on the "voice quality" thing is tough... but, I think that is possible to say that people like Bono and Geroge Michael, for instance, have better voices than SK.. this is not to say that I think that Bono or Geroge Michael are better musucians thanSK, or, that they produce better music than he does.... SK's voice seems very limited, often times, it does seem a little dulled.... anywa, what do the rest of you think? and please, no massive flaming.. hehehe.. let's not get into a silly thing about "real Church fans" (which, thnakfully, we have seemed to avoided on this mailing list, especially compared to other music mailing lists...) John From andfaer@siri.unit.no Tue Oct 19 05:36 PDT 1993 From: Anders F{rden Subject: Re: Solo efforts and suckiness quotient Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM >..., but those solo albums! *phew!* > I also have problems with the solo stuff. And don't say I haven't tried it out! I've got plenty of those releases at home, and I seldom listen to any of it anymore. It's just that these are Church members... That's what it always boils down to when I see these albums in the shops. And then I get home, listen to it and get disappointed again... Together these guys worked (works?) magic. A shame to know there's _not_ more where it came from... I recently got quoted in the Church poll results as I voted for All About Eve as best solo project from a Church member. That says it all, really... Anders Faerden From vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu Tue Oct 19 06:00 PDT 1993 via MS.5.6.pcs2.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax_ul4; From: Vernon H Harmon Subject: Re: Steve Kilbey and his voice Cc: >friends to try out the church.e, etcetc.... and, the most >typical reaction I hear fro people is "nice music.. but, that guy's voice >is really really bad..." anyway, I would have to agree with them in the sen t yeah. That's the same reaction the Cure were fighting for years -- nobody "mainstream" liked Rob Smith's vocals. But now people claim they're "mainstream" (or that they've "sold out"), so I guess you should keep your hopes up. If the Church got more exposure in the US I'd expect them to become a lot more popular (witness: INXS, Cure, etc.). --Vernon. From cs031003@cs.brown.edu Tue Oct 19 07:32 PDT 1993 From: cs031003@cs.brown.edu (Travis Pead) Subject: I will admit that she never loved me Proselyting for The Church eh? On Kilbey's voice: It's part of the total package, I mean, it wouldn't be the church his voice weren't there to carry the emotional quality of the lyrics even further. The first Church song that nailed me was "One Day." It was on a public radio station in 1986 or so and they played about 10 church songs. I had no idea who the band was, but I taped the entire set. Ta-da! A church fan was born. But part of the appeal to my adolescent and lost self was, and still remains, the mysteriously contemplative delivery of Kilbey's lyrics. It's almost as if he's weighing out what he should say, and then mumbling it partially, just because he's caught up in what it means, (and is perhaps to stoned to enunciate clearly). Oh well. From Thad_Engeling@quickmail.natinst.com Tue Oct 19 08:19 PDT 1993 X-Priority: 4 From: Thad Engeling Subject: None > I would have to agree with them in the sen that > SK's voice just isn't very good... I completely disagree. I think Kilbey has an excellent voice. I think the reason that people would think he has a bad voice, is because it doesn't reach out and grab the listener immediately. His voice is very strong, it's just that it is subtle instead of blatant. But then Kilbey is one of my favorite male vocalists along with Peter Murphy, Andrew Eldritch, and Carey Bowman. > George Michael are better musucians My initial inclination here is to scream "bullshit", but I'll refrain and just say that I don't like George Michael at all, so I won't try to judge his musicianship. later on, Thad "This isn't death, this is just a textural event" From ckoontz@rdxsun40.aud.alcatel.com Tue Oct 19 08:25 PDT 1993 From: ckoontz@rdxsun40.aud.alcatel.com (Carl "448 MHz" Koontz) Subject: Re: Steve Kilbey and his voice >From jtehran@husc.harvard.edu Tue Oct 19 03:58:04 1993 > >is really really bad..." anyway, I would have to agree with them in the sen that >SK's voice just isn't very good.... yes, he clealy has an important role >in the church beyond his voice, but, I can't help but think that >*warning: potential hersey* almost all of the Church's songs would sound be >better in someone else's voice.... (with the possible exception of Under >the Milky Way, which, seems to me, to be the only song which I don't think >anyone else could really do better...) Of course SK has a great voice, just listen to the slow section of "Grind". Actually, that is one of the funniest moments in Church history, hearing SK trying to sing softly and musically. I think SK's voice is perfect for The Church and what they try to do musically. If they had a flamboyant and incredibly musically talented singer, we never would have noticed the inemitable guitar work, would we... Carl From ctn2d@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu Tue Oct 19 08:43 PDT 1993 19 Oct 93 11:46 EDT From: melvin Subject: Re: Steve Kilbey and his voice no flame here, i don't really care that you have your own opinion, i do, however, have mine. i think his voice is perfect, probably the best thing about the band in fact. i mean, if you can sing, it went out the window and up your nose" and have it still sound relatively poetic and have people take it somewhat seriously, you must have a good voice. i guess it is like michael stipe, he is no virtuoso but it works. chris From mosk Tue Oct 19 08:48 PDT 1993 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: Steve Kilbey and his voice When I play the Church at home, my wife always says "that voice sounds like your friend ". And believe me, that is _NOT_ a compliment.... I have seen the Church live five times, and only once did Steve actually sing, i.e. hit the melody of the song. One time he simply just spoke the words. He is not a singer by any means. His range is minimal. However, in the studio (and occassionally live) he does manage to hit it off, and when he does it fits in with the mood of the music IMH(?)O. What they would sound if they had a great singer, I'm not even going to worry about. They would be different, and we would either love it or hate it... I would probably hate it... :-) -morten From mosk Tue Oct 19 08:56 PDT 1993 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: Is it too earlier to slam videos yet? > From mrgreen@circlip.mame.mu.OZ.AU Mon Oct 18 19:58 PDT 1993 > the video's for under the milky way, and ripple, are 2 of > my favourite 3 videos of all time (and dang it, i can't > ever remember what the 3rd one is, just that it does > exists !) > > i was totally blown away the first time i saw ripple (i had > heard it for some time, thanks to some cool person from CA ;) > > mrg.. Since Ripple never was released over here, I doubt the video was even played on US tv (anyone here seen it?), so I can't judge that one. My 2 favorite videos are Under The Milky Way and A-ha's Take On Me (and I don't say that because I'm norwegian). In my opinion those are the only 2 video's worth watching more than a couple of times... Pretty ugly, pretty sad... -m From mosk Tue Oct 19 09:20 PDT 1993 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: The Disillusionist > From kallista@netcom.com Mon Oct 18 16:28 PDT 1993 > For that matter, I know someone who's favorite Church song of all time > is "Witch Hunt." Go figure. The weakest songs on P=A as far as I'm > concerned are "Paradox" (especially that one) and "Feel" (good music, > sucky lyrics) > > Chris Paradox the weakest??? No Way! :-) It's the fourth best track. One of the mellow songs that work (and is memorable)... -morten (Oh, isn't it fun to have different opinions??? ) From Thad_Engeling@quickmail.natinst.com Tue Oct 19 12:06 PDT 1993 X-Priority: 4 From: Thad Engeling Subject: Poetic? triviality > i mean, if you can sing, > it went out the window and up your nose" > and have it still sound relatively poetic and have people take it somewhat I guess if you take "up your nose" literally then it may not be very poetic, but I assumed that "up your nose" was a reference to cocaine or other drugs which can be inhaled. In that context I think that phrase and the whole verse is quite peotic. I 'm still not sure about the "out the window" part though. Thad "This isn't death, this is just a textural event" From jtehran@husc.harvard.edu Tue Oct 19 12:28 PDT 1993 From: jtehran@husc.harvard.edu Subject: ack! sorry to take up mail space, but, I committed a slight typo that appears to have been quite grave in my letter e-mail about SK and his voice..... what I siad was that Bono and Goerge Michael have better voices than SK, but that DOES NOT make them better musuciamns or capable of producing better music necessarily.. apparently I forgot to put my NOT in there... whoops, but, the above is what i meant... sorry for any confiusion.. ack! how embarassing... now everyone in the church-land thinks I love Geroge Michael! ack! John From jtehran@husc.harvard.edu Tue Oct 19 12:31 PDT 1993 From: jtehran@husc.harvard.edu Subject: Ripple in the u.S. morten worte: "Since Ripple never was released over here, I doubt the video was even played on US tv (anyone here seen it?), so I can't judge that one." yes, I actualy did see it... and, on all places, VH-1! I caught the last half of the video one day as I was flipping by VH-1..... can't remember much about it.. but, I remmebr it kinda showed the band playing ther instruments in no-mans-land.. just a blank black background behind them.. it was fiarly fast paced, switching between them. don't remember too much else about it... John From mosk Tue Oct 19 13:12 PDT 1993 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: SO WHAT ELSE IS NEW?? Forwarding this one: ----- Begin Included Message ----- From mspizuco@sas.upenn.edu Tue Oct 19 12:32 PDT 1993 From: mspizuco@sas.upenn.edu (Matthew Paul Spizuco) Subject: SO WHAT ELSE IS NEW?? Hey guys; I think it's great that there is a Church fan club in cyperspace, BUT, receiving fifteen messages over the weekend about the best and worst songs is getting a bit stale. Does anybody know the title of the next album? How about rumors concerning song titles? Does Steve still have a beard? Does anyone have hard-to-find lyrics? Is there an e-mail club in Australia, UK, Europe? It just seems to me that the discussion potention of this arrangement has gotten stalled on one subject that only indirectly involves the band. So how about it? Any new business? MP Spizuco ----- End Included Message ----- From mosk Tue Oct 19 13:31 PDT 1993 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: ack! > From jtehran@husc.harvard.edu Tue Oct 19 12:28 PDT 1993 > what I siad was that Bono and Goerge Michael have better ^^^^^^ > thinks I love Geroge Michael! ack! ^^^^^^ > John > Don't worry about it. I don't think any of these two have released any records.... :-) :-) :-) -morten (I just had to...) From p8ef044@stan.xx.swin.OZ.AU Tue Oct 19 18:12 PDT 1993 From: PAYLING J Subject: Re: The Disillusionist Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM On Mon, 18 Oct 1993, Christopher Barrus wrote: > OK, am I the only one who actually LIKES the drunken pub chorus of > "The Disillusionist?" Seriously, I actually do like it. I even sing > along with it really loud, but only when no one else is looking (or > listening). > No! I love the song and like the chorus! In fact I've spent many hours trying to convince fellow Church lovers that there is more to the chorus than a drunken pub chant! heh.. The song is probably my favourite on P=A and I love to hynotise myself with the last few tracks of P=A when I'm driving home late at night with the stereo at 11 and all you can see is in your high beams and you start floating.... Regards, Elkor. From p8ef044@stan.xx.swin.OZ.AU Tue Oct 19 18:19 PDT 1993 From: PAYLING J Subject: Re: Steve Kilbey and his voice Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM On Tue, 19 Oct 1993 jtehran@husc.harvard.edu wrote: > SK's voice just isn't very good.... yes, he clealy has an important role > in the church beyond his voice, but, I can't help but think that > *warning: potential hersey* almost all of the Church's songs would sound be > better in someone else's voice.... (with the possible exception of Under > the Milky Way, which, seems to me, to be the only song which I don't think > anyone else could really do better...) I disagree, I love the church because of his voice, and it IS a good voice, if you listen to P=A he sounds better than ever, it's just a matter of taste.. Elkor. From p8ef044@stan.xx.swin.OZ.AU Tue Oct 19 18:25 PDT 1993 From: PAYLING J Subject: Re: Steve Kilbey and his voice Cc: jtehran@husc.harvard.edu, seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM On Tue, 19 Oct 1993, melvin wrote: > no flame here, i don't really care that you have your own opinion, i do, > however, have mine. > i think his voice is perfect, probably the best thing about the band in fact. > i mean, if you can sing, > it went out the window and up your nose" > and have it still sound relatively poetic and have people take it somewhat > seriously, you must have a good voice. > i guess it is like michael stipe, > he is no virtuoso but it works. No flame here either, but I think Michael Stipes voice SUCKS.. it is nasaly and bloody annoying and sounds like someone desperately trying to sound like he means it... Now Steve Kilbey has NO trouble in that department, the man is a god.. Regards, Elkor. From mosk Thu Oct 21 10:18 PDT 1993 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: seance@thechurch - FAQ Since we have doubled our membership over the last couple of months, I decided to put together a FAQ. This will from now on be sent out to all new subscribers upon joining the list. Any suggestions / comments are of course welcome. Morten (listening to Paradox at the moment, I hope it's not a sign...) SEANCE@THECHURCH MAILING LIST FOR THE CHURCH FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS =========================== 1. Q: How do I get added to or get removed from the list: A: Send a short mail message to: seance-info@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM 2. Q: How do I post to the list: A: Send mail to: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM 3. Q: Who do I contact in case there is a problem, such as repeating mailer-daemons from a recipient or I am not seeing any mail? A: Send mail, stating the problem (include examples if possible) to: seance-info@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM or to the mediator of the group, Morten Skjefte: mosk@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM 4. Q: What is the distribution range of the mailing list? A: The mailing list is world-wide, currently we have members from the United States, Europe and Australia. 5. Q: Are lyrics available on-line? A: Yes. Lyrics can be ftp'ed from ftp.uwp.edu If you don't have access to ftp, send an e-mail to the list. Someone will help you out. 6. Q: Is a discography available on-line? A: Yes. One is available via ftp from ftp.uwp.edu, but a more expanded version is available by sending a request to mosk@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM This version will become available via ftp eventually. 7: Q: Are there any bootlegs available by The Church? A: Yes. More information can be found in the extended version of the discography. 8: Q: What do I do as a new member? A: You will receive a confirmation that you have been added on. Once you do, it would be nice if you sent a quick introduction of yourself to the rest of the members. Include such things as how / when you found the Church, favorite album / song / paisley shirt etc. --- o --- From CSC5955@RIGEL.TAMU.EDU Thu Oct 21 19:13 PDT 1993 From: CSC5955@RIGEL.TAMU.EDU Subject: new member introduction hello, i'm a brand new subscriber to seance, and being so, i was asked in the FAQ list i received today to post a short intro...so, i shall... my name is chad and i am from texas...i was intruduced to the church by a good friend right after they released their "Heyday" album...they have consistently remained one of my most listened to bands all through middle school, high school and college... i am always torn between "Heyday" and "The Blurred Crusade" when asked about my favorite album, but my most listened to album right now is "Of Skins and Hearts." My favorite songs are "Unguarded Moment," "Myrrh," "Sisters," and "Anna Miranda." Although those change periodically as well. i regret to say that i have only managed to see them live one time... in Austin, Tx...first show of the "Gold Afternoon Fix," but i was able to get (actually it was the first show of the North American tour) one of Steve Kilbey's picks... i am looking forward to reading the list... chad From n9282183@henson.cc.wwu.edu Thu Oct 21 21:22 PDT 1993 From: nicole hall Sender: nicole hall Reply-To: nicole hall Subject: introduction... Hello, I am new to this list, and I guess I am supposed to introduce myself... My name is Nicole Hall. I first heard of The Church when Under The Milky Way was released, and I have been hooked ever since. I guess my favorite albums are Heyday, Starfish, The Blurred Crusade, and Remindlessness by Steve Kilbey. I have tried to collect all of the solo material, EPs, B-Sides, compilations, any bootlegs I can find, etc etc. My favorite songs include Shadow Cabinet, Myrrh, Almost With You, and Tear It All Away. I guess that's it, except that I am so happy to have found this list, and...I love the Church!! -nicole hall n9282183@henson.cc.wwu.edu From BSmith@VCOMTELC.TELECOM.com.au Thu Oct 21 22:33 PDT 1993 From: "Smith, Brian" Subject: Bootleg record I just picked up a record of a performance at The Palace in Melbourne (29 March 91). It cost fifty bucks (aargh !), which is about thirty or thirty five dollars American. It's a neat looking picture disc with these songs: Side 1: When You Were Mine, Tristesse, NSEW, Almost With You, Hotel Womb (if my memory is still working this last song was INCREDIBLE !) Side 2: Fading Away, Milky Way, Grind, Destination, Reptile, Metropolis (acoustic studio version ?!) I'll let you know how it sounds. Morton, I think this record is the same concert that you're sending me ! Could you put something else on that tape instead ? If anyone else would like a copy, just ask and we'll arrange something. Brian "Dusting off the turntable" Smith From mrgreen@circlip.mame.mu.OZ.AU Thu Oct 21 22:45 PDT 1993 Subject: Re: Bootleg record <2CC88A67@msmail.trl.oz.au> From: matthew green >I just picked up a record of a performance at The Palace in Melbourne (29 >March 91). i remember this one !! > It cost fifty bucks (aargh !), which is about thirty or thirty >five dollars American. It's a neat looking picture disc with these songs: >Side 1: When You Were Mine, Tristesse, NSEW, Almost With You, Hotel Womb (if >my memory is still working this last song was INCREDIBLE !) it was, i remember it well ;) >Side 2: Fading Away, Milky Way, Grind, Destination, Reptile, Metropolis >(acoustic studio version ?!) argh!! they didn't put `shadow cabinet' on it.. that was the best song on that night... damn pity.. it's also my favourite song at the moment.. >I'll let you know how it sounds. i'm sure it will be great ;) >If anyone else would like a copy, just ask and we'll arrange something. hmm, i might get back to you on that one ;) mrg.. From mspizuco@sas.upenn.edu Fri Oct 22 05:50 PDT 1993 From: mspizuco@sas.upenn.edu (Matthew Paul Spizuco) Posted-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 93 8:55:20 EDT Subject: another introduction Good morning everyone, I've posted a message or two, both never formally introduced myself. I'm Matthew Paul Spizuco and I've been a Church fan since January 1985, when a friend played Seance for me. During the Starfish tour, I saw the band perform five times in three cities (NY, Chicago, Miami), got to know John the roadie and met the band backstage during the Miami show. Peter and Marty were pretty cool and easily accessible. Steve seemed uninterested, but from what I hear, that is his natural state. Richard was nowhere to be found. Peter, Marty, and Steve did sign Marty's song list for me. I only saw them once during GAF, which was also a great show, but I wish they didn't drop 'Is This Where You Live?'. It is an awesome song live. I would be interested in any high quality live recordings or video tapes. I also hated Priest=Aura and loved Jack Frost and Hex. Any one on one conversations are welcome. Link-up with me at mspizuco@sas.upenn.edu Talk to you soon. From mrgreen@circlip.mame.mu.OZ.AU Fri Oct 22 06:17 PDT 1993 Subject: my turn.. From: matthew green i never ever ever did an intro either so i'm starting to feel left out ;) this is sorta like a backwards intro i guess .. i first started listening to the church, and know who they are in 1988, when i borrowed a school friends starfish tape. i wasn't *that* impressed at first, and i didn't really listen to much more until later in 1989, when another friend played starfish a few times. it was then in very early 1990 that i had a copy of starfish and i was walking around with my walkman on, and hotel womb was playing.. i can remember the solo and then it starting up again, and thinking `wow, that was one hell of a solo, and i loved the way it came back in!'. i was hooked. i went to see them at the metro on april 9th, 1990 (ugh, only 1 of 2 times i've been there - the other was for a concrete blonde gig - the place sucks).. by this time i think i had heard of skins and hearts once, uh, the blurred crusade once, and hindsight about 3 times (and starfish a fair bit) i was totally blown away, the start was all dark, and then i could make out some smoke.. and then there were some strange noises [oh, and i'd heart metropolis a few times] and then this guitar started really softly doing something simple, yet almost hyponotic. i found out it was pharoah the next day (gaf was released that day, and i got it the next day). it was just the most amazing start to a gig i have ever seen. i really don't remember much about that gig, 'cause i didn't know many songs (about 1/3) and i just was too blown away to remember .. i've since got all the `normal' stuff, seen them another 2 times (sometime around april 1991, uh, i said i went to it earlier to day, someone had a bootleg), and then the last concert they did last year, after aura had been released... [cool, pretty ugly pretty sad just came on] morten actually found me because i used to post news with the name `marty willson-piper'. this was over 2 years ago now ... i think steve kilbey is just about the closest you can get to god. he's my favorite ;) marty is brilliant, my role-model guitarist. peter, well, peter was best described by morten sometime just recently. required for the church, but this doesn't mean marty/steve aren't brilliant by them selves ;) uh, enough babble from me for now, mrg... `stuck my face into the night tasted the rain that came with the light' From mosk Fri Oct 22 08:36 PDT 1993 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: Bootleg record > From BSmith@VCOMTELC.TELECOM.com.au Thu Oct 21 22:33 PDT 1993 > > I just picked up a record of a performance at The Palace in Melbourne (29 > March 91). It cost fifty bucks (aargh !), which is about thirty or thirty > five dollars American. It's a neat looking picture disc with these songs: > Side 1: When You Were Mine, Tristesse, NSEW, Almost With You, Hotel Womb (if > my memory is still working this last song was INCREDIBLE !) > Side 2: Fading Away, Milky Way, Grind, Destination, Reptile, Metropolis > (acoustic studio version ?!) > > I'll let you know how it sounds. > > Morton, I think this record is the same concert that you're sending me ! > Could you put something else on that tape instead ? > Yep, this is the "Jokes, Magic and Souvenirs" bootleg described in discog. It's a truly superb record! It's worth 50 bucks without a doubt. Just for Marty's background vocals on NSEW! This man is into what he's doing. Awesome. The front of the disc has a theater-mask-face thingy, and the back has the standard starfish-session pictures on a green marble bakground. When I got it (I swapped it for a Beatles boot that I paid $10 bucks for) I was told it was released in a ltd. edition of 300, although I find that hard to believe. I would say probably more like 3000. But my friend also paid about USD 35 for it. Yes, I'll put something else on your tape Brian! And MrGreen, I sent you a copy for your burp-day. Look under your car-seat, man. :-) > If anyone else would like a copy, just ask and we'll arrange something. > > Brian "Dusting off the turntable" Smith Hmmm. I'm tempted to take this record and Sing Songs to a place to get a cd made out of them... -m From barmiyan@wam.umd.edu Fri Oct 22 09:21 PDT 1993 From: Amy Rebecca Ewing Subject: introduction My name is Brian Pianalto and I'm a new member. I've been a Church fan since Starfish...hard to believe that was almost 6 years ago. "Milky Way" had just came out and a friend of mine asked if I wanted to go see the band in concert. I said sure even though I knew nothing about them. Well, before the show (which was at Lisner Auditorium in D.C.) we were browsing the record bins of Tower Records, which is across the street from Lisner. Just as we were leaving, a dark-haired man wearing a white shirt and black vest ran into the store, right past us. "Wasn't that the guy from the Church?" my friend asked. It sure looked like one of the band members. Soon we get our seats, 5th row, stage right. Church fans will know that of course that Marty owns that part of the stage and sure enough when the band came out, there was that mysterious guy who had ran past us. The show was excellent. Marty was in a rebellious mood and had remarks for some clod a few seats up. We immediately became endearing Marty fans. Besides that tour I also saw one show for GAF, and also one solo Marty show, which had to be the best concert I've ever seen. My favorite album is Starfish, my favorite song "Hotel Womb." My prized possession is the double-CD of Hindsight, which I was lucky to find. My least favorite album is P=A. That's it. Oh yeah, hi to Brian Smith, who I've talked to before a while back, although he may not remember by now. From barmiyan@wam.umd.edu Fri Oct 22 12:39 PDT 1993 From: Amy Rebecca Ewing Subject: introduction clarification No, I am not Amy Ewing. This is Brian. Amy is my girlfriend, and this is her account. Sadly I have no other means of internet access, and must forever endure identity double-takes. Sorry for the confusion. Brian (church fan) From mosk Fri Oct 22 13:19 PDT 1993 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Updating discography All, I am in the process of adding a section of all known personal live-recordings by the band or solo. So far I have: 1986 The Church - Live At One Step Beyond, Santa Clara, CA. 1990 The Church - Live At The Navy Pier Ballroom, Chicago, IL. 1990 Marty Willson-Piper - Live At The Lounge Ax, Chicago, IL. 1990 Steve Kilbey - Live At The Lounge Ax, Chicago, IL. If you have anything to add, please let me know. I would like the information in the following format: Year Artist - Title Recording Date: XX-XX-XX Source: Audience Recording (or whatever) Recording Quality: Mediocre (or whatever) Recording Length: Approx 85 minutes (basically the tape length) Side A: Detailed Track Listing Side B: Detailed Track Listing I will submit the discog to "Dave Datta's Music Machine" (the ftp site) sometime next week, so let me know soon if you have additions. Thanks, Morten From bove@goethite.geo.cornell.edu Sat Oct 23 17:08 PDT 1993 From: "Dan Bove" Subject: intro... Hey... lemme introduce myself... My name is Dan and i live/work/go to school in ithaca, ny. Actually, I'm pretty excited about finding this because for the most part the only big fans i know are a few of my friends who i've played to albums to. There was one guy i met however that sold me A Quick Smoke at Spot's for $10, provided i let him copy a couple of their solo albums i had. So, anyway, i knew there were some big fans out there... i just didnt know where they were. Now, i guess i do. My favorite album? Hmm... maybe heyday, maybe seance. Hard to say, i don't know if there is anything i don't like (except that side 1 of remote luxury has to be my least favorite, *sigh*) As far as song, Grind has to be my single most favorite, but i really love Fly/One Day, Tristesse, and most of the hypnotic songs where the words just seem to go by in a big rush of images (which i guess is a lot of them). As far as finding out about them, someone i didnt really know played heyday really late night when everyone was tripping as it just seemed pretty magical. So, i went out and bought it (though i think starfish had already come out...) and then all the others. I dunno if talking about tripping is either an unmentionable around here, or if it is considered just something some lameass would talk about, but that's how i first heard them, and they are awesome in any state of mind. I still havent seen them live because when the starfish tour came to the northeast u.s. in early '89 there was a date listed in albany, ny (where i lived at the time) but i called all the theaters and no one knew anything... and then i was supposed to see them at johns hopkins in baltimore, but my friend who was gonna drive sliced the end of his finger off at work that day. As for subsequent tours, i never heard nor saw a word, except that someone once told me they were on some MTV tour. gag. As far as getting anything of theirs that is hard to find, i'd be happy as all hell to put my ear to it. All I have is the regular albums, a few singles i bought for their b-sides, a quick smoke... , some solo albums and the hex and jack frost albums. Which means: no bootlegs :( I'm willing to tear off body parts to trade for any good bootlegs. thanks... Dan From gsa@panix.com Sun Oct 24 08:24 PDT 1993 From: Gary Assa Subject: my self My name is Gary Assa, from Bethpage, NY. I will just geive a brief inro at this time, but I do have a 20000 word story about my 1988 Church adventures. I turned onto the Church in 1984, just after hearing Into My Hands. I already knew Unguarded Moment, but could never find it. Anyway, that's when I fell for the Church. My story included full descriptions of all the 1988 concerts I went to; inine in all. Here is a list of them: 1. Bottom Line, NYC 2. Ritz, NYC 3. Vix Theater, Chicago 4. Bay Street, Long Island 5. Some NYC theater 6. Orpheum Theater, Boston 7. Paradise (or something like that), westchester County, NY 8. That theater in New Haven, CT 9. finally, Paramount in Springfield, MA From Thad_Engeling@quickmail.natinst.com Tue Oct 26 09:29 PDT 1993 X-Priority: 4 From: Thad Engeling Subject: Kilbey difficult I read this in B-side magazine in a section of best and worst interview experiences. The interviewer is Sandra Garcia: "Most Frustrating: When I encountered Steve Kilbey of the Church I discovered ) that hell must be in Australia because Steve Kilbey was surely the devil. I have never encountered someone who took such a deliberate dark delight in being deliberately perverse, made all the worse because he's very intelligent. We parted by shaking hands but I burst into tears the minute I was in my car; partly due to fury, mostly because I was pissed at myself for being too polite to tell him that he was the most pompous pain in the ass I had ever encountered. And I still love his work!" Interesting. Does anyone have any other interviewers, or personal, opinions of what Steve is like in person? I have heard that he is somewhat aloof, and I have always imagined him as being such. later on, Thad "This isn't death, this is just a textural event" From p8ef044@stan.xx.swin.OZ.AU Tue Oct 26 17:50 PDT 1993 From: PAYLING J Subject: Re: Bootleg record Cc: Church On Fri, 22 Oct 1993, Smith, Brian wrote: > > I just picked up a record of a performance at The Palace in Melbourne (29 > March 91). It cost fifty bucks (aargh !), which is about thirty or thirty > five dollars American. It's a neat looking picture disc with these songs: > Side 1: When You Were Mine, Tristesse, NSEW, Almost With You, Hotel Womb (if > my memory is still working this last song was INCREDIBLE !) > Side 2: Fading Away, Milky Way, Grind, Destination, Reptile, Metropolis > (acoustic studio version ?!) > > I'll let you know how it sounds. > > > If anyone else would like a copy, just ask and we'll arrange something. > YES! YES! YES! heh.. I would kill for a copy.. OK What do I have to do? Regards, Elkor. From jtehran@husc.harvard.edu Tue Oct 26 21:53 PDT 1993 From: jtehran@husc.harvard.edu Subject: Russian Autumn Heart and MTV Unplugged hey everyone, I was listening to my Russian Autumn Heart single today and, for the first time, I noticed that about a milisecond before the guitar intro starts, someone is laughing.... is my CD haunted, or has anyone else noticed this? alright, alright, it's a small little observation, but, if I can't share it with you all, who could I possibly share it with? also, does anyone have a copy of theentire Unplugged show on MTV that featured the Church? both Morton and I have part of it since we both caught the show part of the way itno it and madly scrambled to get a video tape in the VCR to record it.... anyway, any information is appreciated... thanks.. John From mosk Wed Oct 27 09:00 PDT 1993 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: Russian Autumn Heart and MTV Unplugged > From jtehran@husc.harvard.edu Tue Oct 26 21:53 PDT 1993 > > hey everyone, > I was listening to my Russian Autumn Heart single today and, for the first time, > I noticed that about a milisecond before the guitar intro starts, someone > is laughing.... is my CD haunted, or has anyone else noticed this? We may be getting too close to Halloween, John... :-) I don't have the CD5 here, but I just checked the GAF cd, and there is no laughing there... But it does sound like someone is drawing their breath... These guys breathe??? Or maybe they were just inhaling... :-) > alright, alright, it's a small little observation, but, if I can't > share it with you all, who could I possibly share it with? > That's what we're here for.... It's a mental support thing... :-) -m From MCA4860@RIGEL.TAMU.EDU Wed Oct 27 10:28 PDT 1993 From: MCA4860@RIGEL.TAMU.EDU Subject: Texas Moon is... Hey guys, i finally found the Texas Moon. Well, sorta. The truth is that i see it everyday, but on my way to San Antonio, i passed by a little bar along the highway with the same name. i couldn't believe since i pass on this highway often. And it is pretty much in the middle of nowhere. So i thought i might just drop that here. And if any one is interested, i saw an autographed copy of Seance by all the band especially addressed to Jim. If that was your name, then you could say, yea, it's really for me. As for the laughing on RAH, i noticed it too and i have the US version of GAF. It sounds like breathing, but there is a little laughter unless you have some sort of extended laughter version. It's easier to notice on headphones of course. later, mark From p8ef044@stan.xx.swin.OZ.AU Thu Oct 28 23:10 PDT 1993 From: PAYLING J Subject: Re: Russian Autumn Heart and MTV Unplugged Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM On Wed, 27 Oct 1993 jtehran@husc.harvard.edu wrote: > hey everyone, > I was listening to my Russian Autumn Heart single today and, for the first time, > I noticed that about a milisecond before the guitar intro starts, someone > is laughing.... is my CD haunted, or has anyone else noticed this? > alright, alright, it's a small little observation, but, if I can't > share it with you all, who could I possibly share it with? > Yeah I've noticed that.. Although other replies said it sounds like breathing to me it definately sounds like Marty laughing.. I have the oz print but I doubt it's any different to other versions.. Regards, Elkor. From mosk Sat Oct 30 21:24 PDT 1993 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Any information on this one? Just noticed this one in the "Upcoming releases" list... 26 Oct r All About Eve BBC Radio 1 In Concert Does anyone have any idea what this one is about? Yeah, I know it's probably a concert recorded for BBC, but does Marty play on it??? I assume this is a UK release that will be hard to find in the US (and Australia?). Anyone "over there" have any info??? -morten From jtehran@husc.harvard.edu Sat Oct 30 23:56 PDT 1993 From: jtehran@husc.harvard.edu Subject: guitar tabs hey everyone, a couple off weeks ago, one of you posted the guitar tab to a church song... by accident, I erased it before getting a chance to really see it.. I didn't even get a chance to see what song it was.... anyway, if the person who posted it, or anyone who still has it, could e-mail me a copy , I would really realy appreciate it.... also, does anyone have guitar tabs for any other church songs besides Under the Milky Way, which sits alone in the guitar tab section on the ftp server ftp.nevada.edu as the only church song in the church section? thanks for the help... john From gsa@panix.com Sun Oct 31 13:20 PST 1993 From: Gary Assa Subject: Re: guitar tabs Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM There are two songbooks out for the Church that I know of, and have. Starfish, and GAF. I am not really a guitar player, but I picked up the books, because there are lyrics, and if I ever do get serious about guitar, they are there for me. Let me tell you,Marty songs are very complicated. I can't even reach some of those chords. From mosk Mon Nov 1 11:47 PST 1993 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: Russian Autumn Heart and MTV Unplugged > > Yeah I've noticed that.. Although other replies said it sounds like > breathing to me it definately sounds like Marty laughing.. > I have the oz print but I doubt it's any different to other versions.. > > > Regards, > Elkor. Well, it sounded like just breathing to me. I listened to it on headphones yesterday, and yep, there is a little snickering after the first 2 notes... And it is both on the CD5 and GAF (both US) versions. There, that should settle it... :-) -m From mosk Tue Nov 2 08:43 PST 1993 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Oh wow! Way cool! I received this letter yesterday. I am not a 100% sure who it's from, no sender info on the envelope, no letterhead, and only a couple of initials at the bottom of the last page to go on, but I think I have a pretty good idea of who it is... I think you all may find this interesting, so here it is in it's entirety, complete with misspellings and punctuation errors, except for a couple of Swedish letters which I can't reproduce over the net... ----- Hej Morten, Tack for brevet. Visst, jag kan prata eller skriva svenska, atminstone att prata med mina barn som prata svenska och engelska darfor dom har en svensk mama. Well heres afew answers anyhow. There will be a new Church l.p. called "Sometime, Anywhere" released in Jan/Feb 94. The first 25,000 copies will have a free C.D. with 8 new songs, included is a song called "Drought" which was recorded in Amsterdam in 88 with Ploog still in the group. You hear a little bit on those in between excerpts on our video goldfish. Its been lost for 5 years and has just been turned up. The master tape has been lost and we have to release the monitor mix of the song which luckily isn't too bad. Peter Koppes is out of the group simply coz hes "had enough" Who can blame him? Marty + I did the album ourselves with him playing 75% guitar and 25% bass and me vice versa. An Australian drummer call Tim Powles played drums on all but 2 tracks. He is a great drummer. Marty + I produced it, Dare Mason co-produced + engineered + mixed it. It was recorded at my studio "Karmic Hit" and mixed at 301. The songs are: Loveblind, Day of the Dead, Angelica, Fly Home, Two Places at Once, Lost my Touch, Lullabye, Cut in Two, My Little Problem, Dead Mans Dream, Time Being, Eastern, The Maven. The Free L.P. entitled "Somewhere Else" will contain the following. "Business Woman, Drought, Macabre Tavern, Authority, Myths you Made, Leave your Clothes on, Freeze and Burn. Although I have quite a few tracks in the can, I have no plans to release them at the moment. I am, however working on a new Jack Frost with G.W. Maclennan which is turning out great! Unsubstantiated belongs to Capitol Records and they will do with it whatever they will, but if we can get it back, I'll try to make it available. I have a song on the Sountrack of "Reckless Kelly" an Australian film. The record is released through Mushroom Records but maybe Warners will release it in the U.S. It's not a bad song, worth tracking down, possibly. The song is called "As you Like it". I am in the process of starting up my own label called "Karmic Hit" and will be releasing my own solo work plus records by Curious Yellow, Warp Factor 9, Bhagavad Guitars, Fake and a few others. The music is all of a similar aesthetic and people will hopefully like all the records on the label. Some of it is absolutely excellent, I think. I have produced an album + co-written with Canadian singer Mae Moore, whose album "Bohemia" is just released in U.S.A. by Sony / Tri-Star. Recommended if like the Joni Mitchell type of trip. I have produced + cowritten another album on EMI in Australia with Australian Singer Margot Smith. This album is definitely worth the trouble of finding from import shops. She posesses an exquisite voice and the songs are uniformly excellent. The album is called "Sleeping with the Lion" Hope that answers a few questions. Love S.K. ----- Needless to say, I am walking around in a daze... Three pages, all handwritten by the Man Himself! And all that information!!! I bet certain magazines would kill to get that pre-release info! I guess he must have been pretty bored that day, because I didn't ask for the track listing, but I did mention that it sometimes was hard to find or even know about the stuff they released over here. I guess that's why he took the time to mention everything.... He did not answer my question whether there would be a live Church album released.... The only problem is, the only proof that it is him, is the initials at the bottom. I'm going to have to ask him to sign his full name next time! :-) And you bet there will be a next time!!! :-) Is it January yet????? -morten From ckoontz@rdxsun40.aud.alcatel.com Tue Nov 2 08:59 PST 1993 From: ckoontz@rdxsun40.aud.alcatel.com (Commander Carl) Subject: Re: Oh wow! Way cool! Thanks for passing on all of the info. Believe me, I am tres tres jealous. I just hope we can get our hands on some of the bonus discs here in the states. Only two more months. Carl #include main () { unsigned int page_47; . . . } From vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu Tue Nov 2 09:00 PST 1993 via MS.5.6.pcs2.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax_ul4; From: Vernon H Harmon Subject: Re: Oh wow! Way cool! Cc: Hey, Morten, you're right: that's WAY cool! My question: did you mention us? I don't know a lot about Steve -- do you think he'd be intrigued by the idea of people around the world communing and communicating about the Church?? --Vernon. btw: what's the translation of the first part? "Hey Morten: Thanks for the letter. First, (something about the difference between English and Swedish?)." From mosk Tue Nov 2 09:39 PST 1993 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: Oh wow! Way cool! > From ckoontz@rdxsun40.aud.alcatel.com Tue Nov 2 08:59 PST 1993 > I just hope we can get our hands on some of the bonus discs here in > the states. > Hopefully it will be released in the US with the same package. If not, I may have to start an import shop! :-) > Only two more months. > I know. Two years ago Christmas Day was on March 10th. This year it will be at the end of January.... > Carl > > From vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu Tue Nov 2 09:00 PST 1993 > Hey, Morten, you're right: that's WAY cool! > > My question: did you mention us? I don't know a lot about > Steve -- do you think he'd be intrigued by the idea of people > around the world communing and communicating about the Church?? > > --Vernon. > You bet I mentioned our mailing-list. And I know Brian did in his letter also. He didn't mention anything, but it appears he's intrigued about getting mail regarding his music no matter what... > btw: what's the translation of the first part? > "Hey Morten: > Thanks for the letter. First, (something about the difference > between English and Swedish?)." Translated it will be: Hi Morten, Thanks for the letter. Sure, I can speak and write s.w.edish, so that I can talk to my children who speaks swedish and english because they have a swedish mom. Or something like that....Magnus may have corrections.... :-) After all, I grew up in Norway! :-) Btw, I will forward some of the info to the "new-releases" list, and probably post something on the net in the next few days... -morten From magnus@nexto.udac.uu.se Wed Nov 3 05:24 PST 1993 From: Magnus Ring Subject: Re: Oh wow! Way cool! Reply-To: magnus.ring@udac.uu.se X-Charset: LATIN1 X-Char-Esc: 29 I have no corrections to Morten's translation. For someone who grew up in Norway it was very good ;-). The news on the new album seems great. I wonder how free the extra CD will be. I bet the stores will charge extra even if they only pay normal price. Now when SK and MWP knows about us, mabye we could get them to send us (i.e Morten or Brian) info now and then. That would be easier for them than all of us writing letters and asking what's up :-). The coolest thing would of course be if Steve or Marty got net access and joined our mailing list. /Magnus From mosk Wed Nov 3 10:57 PST 1993 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: Oh wow! Way cool! > From magnus@nexto.udac.uu.se Wed Nov 3 05:24 PST 1993 > > I have no corrections to Morten's translation. > For someone who grew up in Norway it was very good ;-). > Thanks, sota bror! :-) (bucket, please!) > The news on the new album seems great. I wonder how free the extra CD will be. > I bet the stores will charge extra even if they only pay normal price. > Yuk! They do that over there??? Hmmm... you swedes... :-) > Now when SK and MWP knows about us, mabye we could get them to send us (i.e > Morten or Brian) info now and then. That would be easier for them than all of > us writing letters and asking what's up :-). The coolest thing would of > > course be if Steve or Marty got net access and joined our mailing list. > I was thinking about that... Then I decided that, heck, we wouldn't get anything to frame for our walls that way, so I am not going to ask them to join our alias... Nener, nener! :-) > /Magnus > > From ctn2d@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu Wed Nov 3 05:48 PST 1993 > > what is his address again? > no luck? > I used the one that's printed on Earthed... some po.box in Rochelle or something.... I am still waiting for a reply from Marty. I used his swedish address, but I guess he could be in Oz at the moment, and it may take some time for him to reply. Then again, he may not reply at all... Maybe he _has_ a life! :-) -m From bove@goethite.geo.cornell.edu Wed Nov 3 13:23 PST 1993 From: "Dan Bove" Subject: album-esque Hmm... quick question? When He (Kilbey gets capitialized pronouns) said that the first 25,000 copies would get the extra disc, do you think that it is the first 25,000 copies worldwide (i hope) or the first 25,000 copies in one country or another, or what? thanks, Dan From mosk Wed Nov 3 15:11 PST 1993 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: album-esque > From bove@goethite.geo.cornell.edu Wed Nov 3 13:23 PST 1993 > > Hmm... quick question? When He (Kilbey gets capitialized pronouns) said > that the first 25,000 copies would get the extra disc, do you think that it > is the first 25,000 copies worldwide (i hope) or the first 25,000 copies in > one country or another, or what? > > thanks, > Dan > Well, I hope it's not worldwide. That would probably mean about 228.73 discs per country, which would make finding the needle in the haystack look like a great party game.... :-) I don't know much about the workings of the record industry (except that all the lousy bands get the promotion bucks), but I assume it's up to each distribution center to do what they want. In other words it's up to the US label (Arista) to decide whether to include the free disc or not as part of their promotion package... I assume He was talking about Australia, although I am hoping he was talking about the US. I don't know. All I know is that I am not taking any chances. I will be ordering my copy from Australia.... -morten From mosk Thu Nov 4 09:56 PST 1993 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Margot Smith I picked this one up from a.m.a. I have added it to the discog. Anyone heard any of her stuff yet??? -m -------------- Begin Included Message ----------------- From anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative Subject: Re: Forget Seattle, Australia!!! In article <2ah51d$mqs@u.cc.utah.edu>, kirk colton writes: > A word of advice. Forget bands/sounds/hype coming out of Seattle > Washington or any place in the Pacific North West. You want talented bands > and music that doesn't fit into trends easily, The Australian music scene > is your answer. And what gets heard overseas is only the half of it. There's some really superb stuff available out here. > Might I suggest you check out Not Drowning, > Waving(personal fave) Earthmen, Tall Tales True, The Cannanes, Sea > Stories, Underground Lovers, The Hummingbirds, and much much more. Might I add to this by highly, extremely highly, recommending you check out the new debut album by a new Melbourne artist named Margot Smith. Her album is on EMI Records, is called "Sleeping With The Lion", is produced by Eddie Raynor and Steve Kilbey, and is unlike anything you've ever heard before. It's the album of the year, no question. I'll append to the end of this article a review I posted prior to the album's release to Ecto, the Happy Rhodes mailing list (mail ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu for details and to subscribe). > Where do you get the music? Well, most of the music is import, but > Not Drowning, Waving has a new album, "Circus" out on Reprise. The > Earthmen have a ep coming out on Seed Records. And Underground lovers have > an album, "Leaves Me Blind" out on Guernica/4ad. Try and find the Underground Lovers "Your Eyes" single on import if you can; it contains a couple of new tracks that outdo everything on 'Leaves Me Blind". And keep an eye out for the new Falling Joys album "Ariel", their best yet and soon to be released on Nettwerk. Feel free to mail me for further info on Margot Smith or any other Australian artists. ---BEGIN INCLUDED BIT--- > Date: Wed, 8 Sep 93 17:34:00 AEST > From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) > Subject: Ecto exclusive! :-) The Margot Smith album, reviewed... Well, to my delight and surprise, EMI rang me yesterday offering me an interview with Margot Smith (next Thursday) and telling me to come pick up a preview copy of the album. So it's with great pleasure that I present the first review anywhere in the world of the new Margot Smith album, "Sleeping With The Lion", scheduled for Australian release on September 20th on EMI Records, catalogue number 8270062. The album is superbly packaged, with photography by Adrienne Overall and design by Libby Blainey, Australia's own answer to V23 :-) The lavish booklet features a different design for the lyrics to each song, and the cover... well, I'll leave that a surprise. Words cannot do justice. Production duties are shared between Steve Kilbey (4 songs), Eddie Rayner (7 songs) and Charles Fisher (1 song). Steve Kilbey also co-wrote a few of the tracks. 12 songs are included in all, making for a total 52 minute running time. Both singles are of course included, as is one song each from the singles' additional tracks. The album opens with the debut single, "Fall Down" - best described as an atmospheric pop song, it contains the harmonica seemingly obligatory on at in your head in insidious fashion, throwing out conventional song structure and in the process of not repeating the chorus ad nauseum at the end, throwing out its chances of chart success. Track two, "How Do You Sleep", is the most atypical song on the album; very guitar-based, quite unlike anything else on the album, and obviously produced with an eye on commercial radio. That doesn't make the song any less of a song, of course; it just could have done with a little more subtelty in the production department. Pleasant surprise time. Track 3 is "Just", included as a b-side on the "Fall Down" single but listed as not being on the album. Thankfully it is. This piano-and-keyboards lament is heartbreaking, intoxicating, and unforgettable. It is here that the tone for the album is truly set. What EMI have done is sequence the tracks on the album roughly in descending order of up-ness, to an extent. The commercial considerations here are obvious, but one thing I'll be asking Margot is if the songs are presented the way she wanted them to. At any rate, it's all heaven from here on. "Pool Of Blood" , backwards tape loops and all, contains some biting lyrics ("And yes you want to hold me / But you don't want to wear the smell of me / Even though you'd like to know me intimately..."), and the album's only Kate-like backing vocals. Then there's "Arms Of Earth". Wow. There's one track on every album that makes you go "wow". There's actually about 6 here that do that, and this is one of them. Choral tape loops, glistening ethereal guitar, shimmering chord changes, and a vocal to die for. The song leaps mid-way into anger, catharsis and a guitar solo battling Margot's voice. Wonderful. The above tracks having all been produced by Eddie Rayner, we then come to "Adored" the first Kilbey-produced track. This is also the new single, and it's sublime; it's an "up" song very much in the Church mould, and as I've already waxed lyrical about it in another post I won't bore you by repeating myself. This is followed by "Water" - this track, produced by Charles Fisher (one of EMI's in-house producers) was apparently recorded just after Margot signed her deal, and is a wonderful piece of music that only pales on the production side because the rest of the album sounds so startlingly good. Too many factory preset keyboard sounds here, alas. As if to make up for this, Steve Kilbey jumps back into the producer's chair for "The Torch Song", which is exactly that. This track would not be out of place on a This Mortal Coil album. And the following track, "Life Time", has all the glittering acoustic guitar and phased fretless bass sounds we know and love from our Lush albums, but hang on a second - Lush have never written anything as sublime as this, have never sung as enticingly as this.... "Bellyman" is truly amazing. Samples of all manner of things such as music boxes and street vendors come and go behind ominous low strings, while the rhythm of the song is metered out by the ticking of a clock that auto-pans from left to right relentlessly. The song is about the fear of darkness. The vocal and atmosphere is perfect. "Dream", the final Kilbey-produced track, is another in the TMC vein, but once again has more the tone of a wistful lament than the cold atmospherics that pervaded the last TMC album. The words of the songs on this album matter to the person who is singing them, that much is obvious. "Don't let them take you from your dreams..." Finally, "Child" (included on the "Adored" single as well) wraps proceedings with a handy thunderstorm (in Dolby Surround, no less!) and a slightly Tori-ish song it is - or would be if backed by piano. Instrument of choice here is acoustic guitar. In "Sleeping With The Lion" we have the birth of a major talent, and who would have guessed that it would come from here in Melbourne. Mainstream record labels here usually stay away from this kind of music like the plague, and EMI are to be commended for taking the plunge. Whether the have the savvy to get people to hear the record is another thing; all I know is, this is the finest album I've heard since "Little Earthquakes", and the first since then to move me, affect me, and intrigue me in quite the same way. It's an album full of songs that don't wear thin after repeated listens, but rather grow and reveal more of themselves to you over time. Here's a quick discography for the curious: MARGOT SMITH ~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Fall Down" - June 1993 - EMI Australia 8740212 - CD Single (Digipak) 1. Fall Down 2. Just 3. Cut Up 1 and 2 produced by Eddie Rayner. 3 produced by Steve Kilbey. "Adored" - September 1993 - EMI Australia 8740282 - CD Single 1. Adored 2. The Curse 3. Child 1 and 2 produced by Steve Kilbey. 3 produced by Eddie Rayner. "Sleeping With The Lion" - September 1993 - EMI Australia 8270062 - Album 1. Fall Down 2. How Do You Sleep 3. Just 4. Pool Of Blood 5. Arms Of Earth 6. Adored 7. Water 8. The Torch Song 9. Life Time 10. Bellyman 11. Dream 12. Child 1-5, 10, 12 produced by Eddie Rayner. 6, 8, 9, 11 produced by Steve Kilbey. 7 produced by Charles Fisher. 9 remixed by Eddie Rayner. Video: "Fall Down" Directed by Robbie Douglas-Turner Released to television June 1993 "Adored" Directed by Robert Hambling Released to television September 1993 Electronic Press Kit (EPK) 11 minute VHS video packaged with CD single of "Fall Down", photo and bio. Contains unfinished clips for "Pool Of Blood" and "Bellyman", interviews with Margot, Steve Kilbey and Eddie Rayner, and the clip for "Fall Down". Released to print and other media July 1993. Other: Song for Australian film "Redheads", title currently unknown; film remains unreleased. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au "I kind of feel like I'm Metallica..." - Tori Amos on the perils of long tours, November 1992 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------- End Included Message ------------------- From pjmorse@unix.amherst.edu Thu Nov 4 16:29 PST 1993 From: Polar Bear Apparently-To: seance@thechurch.ebay.sun.com From p8ef044@stan.xx.swin.OZ.AU Thu Nov 4 16:31 PST 1993 From: PAYLING J Subject: Re: album-esque Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM >I don't know much about the workings of the record industry (except >that all the lousy bands get the promotion bucks), but I assume it's >up to each distribution center to do what they want. In other words The Church get alot of promotion over here in Australia.. in fact HEAPS.. which I guess is not an astounding revelation.. BUT it will be interesting to see if they get as much as they did for P=A for their new album considering its relative commercial failure.. Unfortunately the radio stations never played anything off P=A.. which really sucked.. (Except a few indie's and JJJ).. Also, as they were signed to Mushroom in this country, that would explain why they got so much coverage as they are an australian company.. but if they have resigned.. you never know.. the music scene over here is getting worse, hardly anything new gets heard anymore, they'll need another Milky Way just to get noticed.. and to think wankers like Jimmy Barnes and John Farnham get shoved down our throats... Ooops I'm rambling, Regards, Elkor. 'She was, transdimensional spewtum' From BSmith@VCOMTELC.TELECOM.com.au Thu Nov 4 19:02 PST 1993 From: "Smith, Brian" Cc: Church Subject: Re: album-esque > The Church get alot of promotion over here in Australia.. in fact HEAPS.. They do ?! This is news to me.....I've never heard them mentioned on TV, seldom on radio, and just try getting a Church poster ! Maybe they're mentioned on indie radio shows, but that's hardly a wide market. I don't think the Church are seen as a "commercially viable" prospect. Steve's always saying "my albums sell three copies but that's fine with me." Brian From mosk Fri Nov 5 09:55 PST 1993 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Church Discography Cc: dgrimm@awm.cs.gmr.com, seance@thechurch Dave, I just put a discography for the Church in /pub/incoming. The file name is: church.discography This includes and thus replaces the current one there (the one written by Don Grimm). Thank you, Morten From pjmorse@unix.amherst.edu Fri Nov 5 10:16 PST 1993 From: Polar Bear Subject: My blank message OK, OK, so I posted a blank message. Our unix system here has been overloaded the past few days and becomes balky at times about things like saving, instead feeding me a series of error messages and then posting a blank message... Anyway, what I was meaning to say was that the piece about Margot (Smith?) that Morten posted was originally authored by Anthony Horan, who is apparently deeply in to the Oz music scene, and quite attentive to others (to the point where he is on my alias for my superlatively obscure band's mailing list). In other words, if we "invite" people onto this list, Anthony has my nomination. polar bear the blank one pjmorse@unix.amherst.edu proud to be a part of our resource overload From mosk Fri Nov 5 11:34 PST 1993 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: My blank message > From pjmorse@unix.amherst.edu Fri Nov 5 10:16 PST 1993 > Anyway, what I was meaning to say was that the piece about Margot > (Smith?) that Morten posted was originally authored by Anthony Horan, > who is apparently deeply in to the Oz music scene, and quite > attentive to others (to the point where he is on my alias for my > superlatively obscure band's mailing list). > > In other words, if we "invite" people onto this list, Anthony > has my nomination. > > polar bear > the blank one > pjmorse@unix.amherst.edu > proud to be a part of our resource overload > Mr. Overload, :-) I have already invited Mr Horan to join our group. I replied to his mail, requesting more info etc, and mentioned our group. I have not rec'd an answer yet... It seems like this Margot Smith album is fast becoming a "must have", the way he and Kilbey are raving about it. Compared to the Mae Moore album, which is getting better and better btw, "Sleeping with the Lion" seems out of this world. Guess it's time to write Mr. Santa Claustralia.... :-) Has anyone heard any of these albums yet? -m From dwohlfor@sisters.cs.uoregon.edu Sat Nov 6 14:05 PST 1993 From: dwohlfor@sisters.cs.uoregon.edu Subject: A quick introduction... Hi everyone. As per the FAQ, here is my quick introduction: How/when I found the Church: In the Columbia House catalog when Priest=Aura came out! I thought they looked too cool to be true by the picture/description, so I ordered Starfish. When it got to me, I went out and bought Gold Afternoon Fix and Priest=Aura. For quite some time I thought those were their only albums. Then, one night I dreamt that there were several earlier ones (no kidding!) I have a theory that I'd seen the albums in a store before and my subconcious just dragged that memory out of the pit for me. Anyway, I just started buying the rest of the albums. Favourite album/son/paisley shirt: Hmmm, that's a tough one. I don't think I could continue life without all of them, but maybe Seance is my favourite album, with Starfish my next. But that's kind of like a Pluto-Neptune thing, if you take my meaning. Perhaps "It's No Reason" is my favourite song. Perhaps "Hotel Womb" is. Perhaps they all are at some point in time and space. It's very hard for me to determine these things. "Sisters" never fails to move me on a very deep level. Don't ask me for my favourite song, I could go on for hours on each of them. As for the shirt, Steve's on the cover of Heyday is pretty darn neat! There was one in the videos, though, which was also darn exciting. Now, a bit of a question to you all: Does anyone besides myself think that "dome" was influenced by Samuel Taylor Coleridge's "Khubla Khan"? It was just something which struck me last year as plausable. Any comments on Peter Koppes' solo career? Anyone else listen to MWP albums on rainy days? Who else has mustered up the courage to buy Hindsight? Anyone want to give me a review of the Hex albums? Anyone want the newbie to just shut up for a while? [*8-)]^+ Okay, sorry I'm on a bit of a manic swing. Bye bye. , Deaslainte, dave From pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Mon Nov 8 14:59 PST 1993 From: pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Subject: Hi Hi, I am a new member of the group. My name is Paul Webb, and i am an Australian living in Sa Cruz California. I have been into The Church since 1981, with the release of "Of Skins..." My favorite album is "blurred Crusade", but i don't know if i have a favorite song. Of the recent stuff, "Kings"xD and "Nightmare" come to mind. I currently have everything that has been released by The Church, as well as a few bootlegs.I also have all the solo stuff, and a few rarities there as well. I am interested in talking to people about copies of or trades for bootlegs. I will post in the discography the b{ootlegs I have (including a live SK show I taped myself). Well, hope this will be a good source for some deals in the near future. My e-mail address is: pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu I look forward to hearing from you. paul p.s. I am also responsible for most of the lyrics in the uwp ftp, so any additions/or corrections are welcome! From brenta@microsoft.com Mon Nov 8 15:22 PST 1993 X-Msmail-Message-Id: CAEE1AFA X-Msmail-Conversation-Id: CAEE1AFA X-Msmail-Wiseremark: These pretzels are making me thirsty From: Brent Aliverti Subject: Hey there... I just joined, also. I've been a Church fan for a number of years, and have virtually everything by the Church and Steve Kilbey (and some stuff by PK and MWP). Good to meet you folks. Are prior messages archived anywhere? Thanks! Brent ---------- From: Subject: Hi Hi, I am a new member of the group. My name is Paul Webb, and i am an Australian living in Sa Cruz California. I have been into The Church since 1981, with the release of "Of Skins..." My favorite album is "blurred Crusade", but i don't know if i have a favorite song. Of the recent stuff, "Kings"xD and "Nightmare" come to mind. I currently have everything that has been released by The Church, as well as a few bootlegs.I also have all the solo stuff, and a few rarities there as well. I am interested in talking to people about copies of or trades for bootlegs. I will post in the discography the b\177{ootlegs I have (including a live SK show I taped myself). Well, hope this will be a good source for some deals in the near future. My e-mail address is: pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu I look forward to hearing from you. paul p.s. I am also responsible for most of the lyrics in the uwp ftp, so any additions/or corrections are welcome! From matthewk@postoffice.utas.edu.au Mon Nov 8 15:38 PST 1993 From: Matthew Kirkcaldie Subject: New member Hello all, I've just been added to the Church list. My name is Matthew Kirkcaldie, and I live in Hobart, Tasmania (southernmost Australian state). I really enjoy the _Blurred Crusade_/_Seance_/_Persia_ era Church, as well as Steve and Marty's solo work. I've only seen them live once, as Tasmania doesn't get on the tour itineraries too often. Favourite album? Maybe _Persia_ (does that count?). Favourite song? Today it's "In This Room" off _Sing-Songs_. I play anything with strings (and if you looked at my guitars you'd probably agree, in a less-than-complimentary way...). Glad to be aboard. Matthew. From mosk Mon Nov 8 16:38 PST 1993 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: New members > From brenta@microsoft.com Mon Nov 8 15:22 PST 1993 > From: Well, fellow Church fans, I think we have done pretty good today. :-) Two of the recent additions (I added quite a few over the weekend) were the people who were responsible for the first edition of the discography, and that should mean we have added some good re-sources. We've also added another Australian Matthew who plays guitar (how many of them does Australia have??? :-) and a couple of others. Welcome to you all. I also received a reply from Anthony Horan today, and although he didn't exactly ask to be added to the list, I asked him to post a message if he wanted to. He also offered to find the Margot Smith records for me, so he's gotta be a nice guy! :-) Anyway, here's what he said (somewhat edited). I already cast my vote for the transcript, anyone else??? -morten ----- Begin Included Message ----- From xymox!anthony@zikzak.apana.org.au Fri Nov 5 22:35 PST 1993 From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Re: Margot Smith Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hiya Morten, you ended up in my mailbox on Nov 3, lucky you... I should point out that Steve only produced five of the twelve tracks on the the b-sides of the two singles. The album is, however, superb. Probably the best of the year. > In a letter I received from S.K. the other day he described this You write to each other? Tell him I said hi! :-) I have never spoken to him, but Margot tells me that she read my review from Beat Magazine of her album to him (a similar review to the one that I posted, but written later and edited down) on the phone. On a video EPK I have, Kilbey says "Nobody can compare to Margot - on any level". :-) He is, of course, right. > You mentioned that you had more info on her, whatever you got, please > pass it on... Sure - I'll append my Beat Mag article - an interview/info piece. Any more info you need, just ask. Currently Margot's album is out in Australia and New Zealand only, on EMI Records. Next up, Margot intends to go into the studio to remix and/or re-record a song from the album for release as the next single, and will probably end up in the studio with Kilbey again before the year's out to record a new song she's written with him. > The current big thread is the new album that will be released in Jan/Feb. That's what I hear as well. I'm also told by those who have heard it that it is excellent. I for one can't wait! Cheers, Anthony [The following article is included exactly as it appeared in Beat Magazine, including the paragraph header. This article is copyright 1993 Anthony Horan. Permission is granted for the moderators of the Church mailing list to post it there and/or make it available for retrieval by other list members. So there. :-) If anyone wants a full transcript of the interview tape, I can be persuaded to do one!] ************** While album after album appears from new acts falling over themselves in an effort to latch onto a fashion and capture their section of the market, one appeared in the stores last week that defies categorisation, an album that has been a labour of love for its creator, Margot Smith. ANTHONY HORAN talked to Margot about "Sleeping With The Lion"... By any standard, Margot Smith's debut album is a remarkable achievement. One of those rare records that captures the imagination and the attention of those who hear it, "Sleeping With The Lion" exists in its own time and space, impossible to classify into a single genre, and impossible to forget once you've heard it. Yes, it's that good. Born in Townsville, Margot studied acting in Brisbane for while but that ended abruptly when the acting college she was attending threw her out - "Which was a really good thing," she explains, "because it was so restrictive I found it impossible to work within the framework." A succession of assorted jobs later, Margot ended up in Melbourne, and began writing songs and recording them on four-track. "I was quite pissed off with myself at the time; I was going to a job interview and looked at myself in the mirror, and thought there's no way I was going to get this job; I'd just written all these demos - which were really scatty, with no structure to them - and I just got on the phone and started ringing up record companies, and got two appointments, so I flew up and saw them. One of them hated me and told me I should go and learn how to write, and the other one signed me!" The company in question was EMI, whose insight back in 1990 has now paid off handsomely. Recording for the album began with an equally insightful choice of producers; firstly Steve Kilbey, then ex-Split Enz keyboardist Eddie Rayner. "It's taken a long time to do this record because I was very full-on about who I wanted to work with," says Margot, "I didn't want to work with just anybody, and I didn't want to work with producers that would take complete control. So it took a long time for me to decide, and then a lot of time sitting around my loungeroom waiting." While in some ways Kilbey was a logical choice as producer, Eddie Rayner would initially seem more unlikely. But Rayner has proved to be perfect for Margot's songs, mixing his finely-honed musical and production talents with a deep understanding of the music being recorded. "I'm really happy with what Eddie did - it took a little bit of time for us to click in; we both knew we wanted to work together, but to actually find the point where we knew it was really good took a little bit of time. And then once that happened, he just let go and went wild. I think for a while he didn't know how bent I wanted to get, and when he realised that I wanted to take it to any level we could, the he really clicked in, and he's got that within him. But I think Steve's stuff is pretty emotionally adventurous." Steve Kilbey has been venturing into production for some time now as well, and his contribution to the album extended to co-writing some songs with Margot as well as producing them, including current single "Adored". Kilbey has gone on record in various interviews with rapturous praise for Margot and her music, something that he rarely does. "The record company had given him a tape, and I heard that he really liked it, and wanted me to meet him. I really did want to meet him, he's an incredible songwriter, and we just spent the whole day together talking, and I thought that here was someone who really understands what I'm trying to do. So it went from there. He's one of those people who, if he believes in you, he's right behind you. He doesn't suffer fools." The very nature of the album, its impossibility to easily compare with anything else, indicates that the influence of the music of other artists is of secondary importance to Margot while writing and recording. "I don't really have influences... I listen to lots and lots of things, but I don't want to get stuck on any particular artist, because if I listen to things too long I tend to take on characteristics - like I take on other people's accents!" (Margot speaks with slight American and British inflections on some words, despite never having been overseas). With music that doesn't quite fit into either alternative or mainstream radio stations' idea of what their public wants, Margot's first single was ignored by radio, though JJJ have picked up "Adored". Not that Margot is particularly worried... "In a way I expect to have a bit of a struggle because I'm a new artist that nobody's ever heard of, and I think the music is a bit different from the other female artists in this country. So I just don't slot in on a classic rock format or whatever. I just think it'd be better for me to be true to myself, and if they pick me up, fantastic. I think singles are weird, anyway - it's like asking a writer to pick the best chapter of a book. And I don't think the singles are totally representative of the album. It's such a diverse album, you really have to listen to the whole thing." ********** ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au "I kind of feel like I'm Metallica..." - Tori Amos on the perils of long tours, November 1992 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- End Included Message ----- From gsa@panix.com Mon Nov 8 17:18 PST 1993 From: Gary Assa Subject: Re: Hi Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM What is this "Nightmare" that I hear people mention???? A cd-3 or something??? From brenta@microsoft.com Mon Nov 8 18:20 PST 1993 X-Msmail-Message-Id: 1714B4C4 X-Msmail-Conversation-Id: 1714B4C4 X-Msmail-Wiseremark: These pretzels are making me thirsty From: Brent Aliverti Subject: RE: New members Thanks for the welcome! Just a correction...yes, I contributed a few bits to the first discography (but writing credits definitely go to Don Grimm, et al). I thought I had most everything I wanted, but looking at the discography, I see a few things I'm still missing (Ripple CD-5, Grind and Metropolis (acoustic)). (I have the Sum of the Parts CD, the RYKO interview album, and This Asphalt Eden single in case anyone wants to trade tapes). It's very difficult for me to pick my favorite Church album. If I had to pick one, I'd probably have to go with Seance. Parts of that album are cosmic. As far as favorite tracks go, that's even harder. A few of my faves: "Disenchanted", "To Be In Your Eyes", "One Day", and the Steve Kilbey track that mentions '...in a bargain basement' -- I think it's called "othertime". Seems like practically all the Steve Kilbey stuff is out of print here in the states....pretty sad....there's some fine music on those disks. I'm really glad to see this mailing list...I just don't meet as many Church fans as I'd like, especially in Seattle. Brent Aliverti ps. My favorite paisley shirt is the one I picked up at the Gap three or four years ago when they were sort of in style:-) ---------- From: Morten Skjefte Subject: New members > From brenta@microsoft.com Mon Nov 8 15:22 PST 1993 > From: Well, fellow Church fans, I think we have done pretty good today. :-) Two of the recent additions (I added quite a few over the weekend) were the people who were responsible for the first edition of the discography, and that should mean we have added some good re-sources. We've also added another Australian Matthew who plays guitar (how many of them does Australia have??? :-) and a couple of others. Welcome to you all. I also received a reply from Anthony Horan today, and although he didn't exactly ask to be added to the list, I asked him to post a message if he wanted to. He also offered to find the Margot Smith records for me, so he's gotta be a nice guy! :-) Anyway, here's what he said (somewhat edited). I already cast my vote for the transcript, anyone else??? -morten ----- Begin Included Message ----- >From xymox!anthony@zikzak.apana.org.au Fri Nov 5 22:35 PST 1993 From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Re: Margot Smith Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hiya Morten, you ended up in my mailbox on Nov 3, lucky you... I should point out that Steve only produced five of the twelve tracks on the the b-sides of the two singles. The album is, however, superb. Probably the best of the year. > In a letter I received from S.K. the other day he described this You write to each other? Tell him I said hi! :-) I have never spoken to him, but Margot tells me that she read my review from Beat Magazine of her album to him (a similar review to the one that I posted, but written later and edited down) on the phone. On a video EPK I have, Kilbey says "Nobody can compare to Margot - on any level". :-) He is, of course, right. > You mentioned that you had more info on her, whatever you got, please > pass it on... Sure - I'll append my Beat Mag article - an interview/info piece. Any more info you need, just ask. Currently Margot's album is out in Australia and New Zealand only, on EMI Records. Next up, Margot intends to go into the studio to remix and/or re-record a song from the album for release as the next single, and will probably end up in the studio with Kilbey again before the year's out to record a new song she's written with him. > The current big thread is the new album that will be released in Jan/Feb. That's what I hear as well. I'm also told by those who have heard it that it is excellent. I for one can't wait! Cheers, Anthony [The following article is included exactly as it appeared in Beat Magazine, including the paragraph header. This article is copyright 1993 Anthony Horan. Permission is granted for the moderators of the Church mailing list to post it there and/or make it available for retrieval by other list members. So there. :-) If anyone wants a full transcript of the interview tape, I can be persuaded to do one!] ************** While album after album appears from new acts falling over themselves in an effort to latch onto a fashion and capture their section of the market, one appeared in the stores last week that defies categorisation, an album that has been a labour of love for its creator, Margot Smith. ANTHONY HORAN talked to Margot about "Sleeping With The Lion"... By any standard, Margot Smith's debut album is a remarkable achievement. One of those rare records that captures the imagination and the attention of those who hear it, "Sleeping With The Lion" exists in its own time and space, impossible to classify into a single genre, and impossible to forget once you've heard it. Yes, it's that good. Born in Townsville, Margot studied acting in Brisbane for while but that ended abruptly when the acting college she was attending threw her out - "Which was a really good thing," she explains, "because it was so restrictive I found it impossible to work within the framework." A succession of assorted jobs later, Margot ended up in Melbourne, and began writing songs and recording them on four-track. "I was quite pissed off with myself at the time; I was going to a job interview and looked at myself in the mirror, and thought there's no way I was going to get this job; I'd just written all these demos - which were really scatty, with no structure to them - and I just got on the phone and started ringing up record companies, and got two appointments, so I flew up and saw them. One of them hated me and told me I should go and learn how to write, and the other one signed me!" The company in question was EMI, whose insight back in 1990 has now paid off handsomely. Recording for the album began with an equally insightful choice of producers; firstly Steve Kilbey, then ex-Split Enz keyboardist Eddie Rayner. "It's taken a long time to do this record because I was very full-on about who I wanted to work with," says Margot, "I didn't want to work with just anybody, and I didn't want to work with producers that would take complete control. So it took a long time for me to decide, and then a lot of time sitting around my loungeroom waiting." While in some ways Kilbey was a logical choice as producer, Eddie Rayner would initially seem more unlikely. But Rayner has proved to be perfect for Margot's songs, mixing his finely-honed musical and production talents with a deep understanding of the music being recorded. "I'm really happy with what Eddie did - it took a little bit of time for us to click in; we both knew we wanted to work together, but to actually find the point where we knew it was really good took a little bit of time. And then once that happened, he just let go and went wild. I think for a while he didn't know how bent I wanted to get, and when he realised that I wanted to take it to any level we could, the he really clicked in, and he's got that within him. But I think Steve's stuff is pretty emotionally adventurous." Steve Kilbey has been venturing into production for some time now as well, and his contribution to the album extended to co-writing some songs with Margot as well as producing them, including current single "Adored". Kilbey has gone on record in various interviews with rapturous praise for Margot and her music, something that he rarely does. "The record company had given him a tape, and I heard that he really liked it, and wanted me to meet him. I really did want to meet him, he's an incredible songwriter, and we just spent the whole day together talking, and I thought that here was someone who really understands what I'm trying to do. So it went from there. He's one of those people who, if he believes in you, he's right behind you. He doesn't suffer fools." The very nature of the album, its impossibility to easily compare with anything else, indicates that the influence of the music of other artists is of secondary importance to Margot while writing and recording. "I don't really have influences... I listen to lots and lots of things, but I don't want to get stuck on any particular artist, because if I listen to things too long I tend to take on characteristics - like I take on other people's accents!" (Margot speaks with slight American and British inflections on some words, despite never having been overseas). With music that doesn't quite fit into either alternative or mainstream radio stations' idea of what their public wants, Margot's first single was ignored by radio, though JJJ have picked up "Adored". Not that Margot is particularly worried... "In a way I expect to have a bit of a struggle because I'm a new artist that nobody's ever heard of, and I think the music is a bit different from the other female artists in this country. So I just don't slot in on a classic rock format or whatever. I just think it'd be better for me to be true to myself, and if they pick me up, fantastic. I think singles are weird, anyway - it's like asking a writer to pick the best chapter of a book. And I don't think the singles are totally representative of the album. It's such a diverse album, you really have to listen to the whole thing." ********** ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au "I kind of feel like I'm Metallica..." - Tori Amos on the perils of long tours, November 1992 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- End Included Message ----- From mosk Tue Nov 9 08:20 PST 1993 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: Hi > From gsa@panix.com Mon Nov 8 17:18 PST 1993 > > What is this "Nightmare" that I hear people mention???? A cd-3 or > something??? > > It's on a "must have" CD5: 1992 Ripple 4:48 Ripple 3:39 Nightmare 3:32 Fog CD5 Mushroom D11098 (Australia) -morten From pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Tue Nov 9 12:13 PST 1993 From: pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Subject: discography update Cc: mosk@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Hi everyone, here are a few new items for the discography: THE CHURCH: A CD called "Life Before Starfish", promo only When you were mine The Unguarded Moment Electric Lash Constant in Opal A Month of Sundays Fly Columbus Almost With You Bel-Air Tantalized Arista APCD 9724 (All are album versions of the songs, so it's nothing new) An interview album called "Exclusive Interviews With Three Church Members" SK, MWP, and PK talk about their solo work, including sample tracks Ryko RBD 042/043/046 STEVE KILBEY The song "Spirit of Christmas Yet To Come" by SK is on a Christmas album called "Rockin' Bethlehem" Timberyard SAW 025 LP An album called "Asides and Besides - The First 5 years" is a compilation album from Red Eye Records, that has a bunch of SK related stuff: "This Asphalt Eden", "Shell", and "Like A Ghost" by SK ("Like A Ghost" is not on the CD version I don't think) "A Drop in the Ocean", "Benefit of the Doubt", "Hubble Bubble" and "Don't be surprised" by The Crystal Set "Transparent Garden" by Curious (Yellow) "Just to be sure", "awakening Earth", and "Thought We'd Agreed" by the Bhagavad Guitars "Isabella", by Curious (Blue), which is SK and Karin Jannson, his girlfriend. RED LP Red Eye RED LP 7 or Polydor 847 028-1 MARTY WILLSON-PIPER A promo 12" contains: On The Tip Of My Tongue On The Tip Of My Tongue (live) Evil Queen Of England (live) The live tracks were recoded at T.T. The Bear's, Cambridge MA Sept. 17, 1988 Ryko RBD 042B-3 And finally, in the bootleg department, i made a tape of a SK show, live at Max's On Broadway, Baltimore MD, Oct 8 1990: Life's Little Luxuries A Month of Sundays ? One inch Rock Providence Hermaphrodite Nonapology Almost With You Caroline Says Goliath / Song of Solomon Summer Deep This Asphalt Eden Fireman Fly Life's A Gas Tristesse Silvermine Under The Milky Way The Unguarded Moment / Neil Diamond Medley An Arrangement ? Jewel Don't Look Back There are also a few Church bootlegs not on the list, that i will post when i get a chance. I also talked to someone in Australia recently who had seen an album called "Alive Under The Milky Way", which is a live show from Seattle. I don't know if it is a bootleg or an actual release, but I'll let you know. happy hunting -paul From mosk Wed Nov 10 13:57 PST 1993 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: A quick introduction... > From dwohlfor@sisters.cs.uoregon.edu Sat Nov 6 14:05 PST 1993 > Now, a bit of a question to you all: Does anyone besides myself > think that "dome" was influenced by Samuel Taylor Coleridge's > "Khubla Khan"? It was just something which struck me last year > as plausable. Any comments on Peter Koppes' solo career? > Anyone else listen to MWP albums on rainy days? Who else has > mustered up the courage to buy Hindsight? Anyone want to give me > a review of the Hex albums? Anyone want the newbie to just > shut up for a while? [*8-)]^+ Okay, sorry I'm on a bit of a > manic swing. Bye bye. > > , > Deaslainte, > > dave Since no one else has replied, at least to the alias (where are you guys?) you get to read yet one more post from me.... :-) I have not read "Khubla Khan", so I cannot comment on that. PK's solo-career is as far as I'm concerned an ill-fated project. He was a vital part in the Church sound, but solo he just doesn't cut it. He's not a great songwriter and definetely not a great singer (although better than his wife!). He is a great guitarist, but only in the right environment. His solo albums are not excactly overflowing with dazzling guitar-playing as i.e. MWP's albums occasionally do. In my opinion, Peter's first releases were the best and it just slowly (or actually quite fast) went downhill from there... His "From The Well" is close to pityful except for a couple of tracks. I haven't even bothered to try and special order the Iridescense ep. I listen to MWP albums on both rainy (somewhat rare here in California) and sunny days. I just recently bought the cd version of Rhyme so that's what's spinning in my cd-player at the moment. There is no courage involved in buying Hindsight. There is courage involved in NOT buing it though! :-) It's a must have, Dave! But then again, which Church album isn't? :-) As for Hex, I love the second album "Vast Halos". The first album is good also, but a bit more uneven. It's more a "hey, let's do some songs together" album, while "VH" is a "band" project. It's too bad Steve and Donette are not working together anymore. The music is very etheric (for lack of a better word), floating synths and whispy female vocals. Wonderful...buy, buy.... -morten From KWR08495@ACUVAX.ACU.EDU Wed Nov 10 15:39 PST 1993 From: "Karl W. Reinsch" Cc: KWR08495@ACUVAX.ACU.EDU Subject: Re: A quick introduction... Date sent: 10-NOV-1993 17:32:33 Morten.Skjefte@EBay.Sun.COM" said: >PK's solo-career is as far as I'm concerned an ill-fated project. >He was a vital part in the Church sound, but solo he just doesn't >cut it. He's not a great songwriter and definetely not a great singer >(although better than his wife!). He is a great guitarist, but only >in the right environment. His solo albums are not excactly overflowing >with dazzling guitar-playing as i.e. MWP's albums occasionally do. I agree with this entirely. >In my opinion, Peter's first releases were the best and it just slowly >(or actually quite fast) went downhill from there... His "From The Well" >is close to pityful except for a couple of tracks. I haven't even bothered >to try and special order the Iridescense ep. I liked part of each of Peter's releases. Amazingly, "Iridescense" is my favorite. I like all the tracks on it - one of them is a track from "From The Well" rerecorded. There is much more emphasis on the guitar also. I've got a cassette copied from a friend's cd somewhere around here. >There is no courage involved in buying Hindsight. There is courage >involved in NOT buing it though! :-) It's a must have, Dave! But >then again, which Church album isn't? :-) Purchasing "Hindsight" gets you CD copies of 2 of the 5 tracks from "Sing Songs". This is the only way to get them on CD. The third CD release of a "Sing Songs" track is on "Conception", check the discog for more info. >As for Hex, I love the second album "Vast Halos". The first album is >good also, but a bit more uneven. It's more a "hey, let's do some >songs together" album, while "VH" is a "band" project. It's too bad >Steve and Donette are not working together anymore. The music is >very etheric (for lack of a better word), floating synths and whispy >female vocals. Wonderful...buy, buy.... I think the Hex stuff is nice but I don't listen to it often. I much prefer the versions of the songs when Steve plays them solo with an acoustic. I just like his voice more than Donette's. -karl. [I'll send an introduction of myself pretty soon.] From pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Wed Nov 10 15:52 PST 1993 From: pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Subject: Hex Well, let me cast the dissenting vote on Hex. I think the first album is much better than the second - more unpredictable, and strange. I think the second one is too cohesive and popish. But, like everyone else so far, I don't listen to it much either. Hass anyone else seen the video to "ethereal Message"? A bit of a letdown. -paul From mosk Wed Nov 10 16:18 PST 1993 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: A quick introduction... Karl, Just a small correction here... > Purchasing "Hindsight" gets you CD copies of 2 of the 5 tracks from "Sing > Songs". This is the only way to get them on CD. The third CD release of > a "Sing Songs" track is on "Conception", check the discog for more info. Hindsight only has one song off Sing Songs. Conception has a different one. The 3 remainder are still unreleased on CD or other albums. -morten From gsa@panix.com Wed Nov 10 18:00 PST 1993 From: Gary Assa Subject: Re: A quick introduction... Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM What about tantalized being influenced by or from William Gibson's Neuromancer??? From Thad_Engeling@quickmail.natinst.com Thu Nov 11 07:39 PST 1993 X-Priority: 4 From: Thad Engeling Subject: Re: A quick introduction... > Who else has > mustered up the courage to buy Hindsight? Courage? no. It was necessary. I bought immediately when I saw it, and haven't regretted it, even though half of it is drawn from albums. The extra songs a well worth the purchase price. "Fraulien" is a really cool, noisy (almost punk :-) ) song, unlike anything else they have ever done. "Life speeds up" is one of my favorites from the compilation. And the lyrics are included to (That was important before I learned how to FTP). On a side note, the lyrics to "Electric Lash" didn't fully print on my copy, and it was the part that I couldn't figure out... "A moon, a knot, ???". Anyone else have this printing screw up on their copy? later on, Thad "This isn't death, this is just a textural event" From vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu Thu Nov 11 07:51 PST 1993 via MS.5.6.pcs14.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4c_411; From: Vernon H Harmon Subject: Re: A quick introduction... Cc: >before I learned how to FTP). On a side note, the lyrics to "Electric >Lash" didn't fully print on my copy, and it was the part that I couldn't >figure out... "A moon, a knot, ???". Anyone else have this printing >screw up on their copy? yep. --Vernon. From matthewk@postoffice.utas.edu.au Thu Nov 11 14:38 PST 1993 From: Matthew Kirkcaldie Subject: Re: A quick introduction... Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM, KWR08495@ACUVAX.ACU.EDU Hey, Karl, I only count one _Sing-Songs_ track on Hindsight - "The Night is Very Soft". What's the other? (or does the US release have extras?) I was glad when Peter left the Church - if Steve and Marty can match their solo work when they record together, I'll be delighted. I will miss things like the nice Spanish-y solos on "Almost With You" and "Disappointment", though. I like the first Hex album, don't have the second. By the way, what do folks think of _Narcosis_? I thought it was awful at first, but I really like it now. Any news on the next solo work? Matthew. PS: If anyone wants to trade tapes of rare things, I've got a few b-sides like "Warm Spell" and "Musk", as well as the _Sing-Songs_ EP and the "Metropolis" acoustic 12". Oh, and a few hard-to-find SK solo things like "This Asphalt Eden" b/w "Never Come Back" and "Shell", "Fireman" b/w "Forgetfulness" and "Nonapology". MWP's "Questions Without Answers" b/w "New York Buddha" is also in my shelf. I could probably fill a good fraction of a tape. From mosk Thu Nov 11 15:05 PST 1993 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: A quick introduction... Cc: seance@thechurch > > Hey, Karl, I only count one _Sing-Songs_ track on Hindsight - "The Night > is Very Soft". What's the other? (or does the US release have extras?) > There is no US release of it. As for the tracks, Karl made an error. It happens to all of us... :-) > I was glad when Peter left the Church - if Steve and Marty can match their > solo work when they record together, I'll be delighted. I will miss > things like the nice Spanish-y solos on "Almost With You" and > "Disappointment", though. > I'm not so sure I'm _glad_ he left. I'll make a judgement sometime in February... :-) > I like the first Hex album, don't have the second. By the way, what do > folks think of _Narcosis_? I thought it was awful at first, but I really > like it now. Any news on the next solo work? > In my opinion Narcosis is Steve's best work to date. It's simply superb! According to Steve : "Although I have quite a few tracks in the can, I have no plans to release them at the moment". He may be waiting for his own label to get up and running... > Matthew. > > PS: If anyone wants to trade tapes of rare things, I've got a few b-sides > like "Warm Spell" and "Musk", as well as the _Sing-Songs_ EP and the > "Metropolis" acoustic 12". Oh, and a few hard-to-find SK solo things like > "This Asphalt Eden" b/w "Never Come Back" and "Shell", "Fireman" b/w > "Forgetfulness" and "Nonapology". MWP's "Questions Without Answers" b/w > "New York Buddha" is also in my shelf. I could probably fill a good > fraction of a tape. Speaking of rarities. I have had my hands full trying to add stuff to the discography that some of the new members have supplied. The ftp version of it is way outdated already. :-) Since things change so fast, I will be looking into setting this up as an autoreply deal. I just need to find the time to do it... Also, does anyone have the street address to Red Eye's store in Sydney? All I have is the PO box address. I'd like to order some stuff from them. A fax number would be even better.... -morten From matthewk@postoffice.utas.edu.au Thu Nov 11 15:17 PST 1993 From: Matthew Kirkcaldie Subject: Red Eye Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Morten, Go ahead and write to the PO box number - when I lived in a smaller town, I did that and they sent me a letter or something, I'm not sure what. I did deal with them via fax several times, but that was three years ago, and I don't have the number now. They are pretty good, but I did send $5 deposit for the Glove's album and they just never got back to me... Foreign exchange can be a real bastard in terms of banks charging you for overseas drafts or whatever. I'd be happy to do a reciprocal purchase kind of thing - there's this Mazzy Star single I'm *dying* to get hold of. Their album cost me $A36.95 because it was an import. I don't want to fund banks that much! By the way, for the Church discog, do you have: the flexi that came with a magazine of "Under the Texas Moon"? The green vinyl "Reptile / Under the Texas Moon" 7"? The censored "You're Still Beautiful" 7"? AND - what is the _Gold Afternoon Fix_ / "Megalopolis" package I've seen in a box locally? The "Megalopolis" looks like a single, and it has the *same* cover as "Metropolis". What is it? Should I buy it? Matthew. From pjmorse@unix.amherst.edu Thu Nov 11 17:08 PST 1993 From: Polar Bear Subject: Red Eye (fwd) Forwarded message: > AND - what is the _Gold Afternoon Fix_ / "Megalopolis" package > I've seen in a box locally? The "Megalopolis" looks like a single, and it > has the *same* cover as "Metropolis". What is it? Should I buy it? Dunno about a box, but the Megalopolis I've seen is a CD5 sort of deal with Metropolis, Monday Morning, and another song... but, it has a different cover (b/w pic of an empty freeway overpass at night). polar bear pjmorse@unix.amherst.edu 11/11/93 20:12:12 For every hand extended, another lies in wait Keep your eye on that one, anticipate -ani difranco From mrgreen@mame.mu.OZ.AU Fri Nov 12 05:53 PST 1993 X-Authentication-Warning: circlip.mame.mu.OZ.AU: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Authentication-Warning: circlip.mame.mu.OZ.AU: mrgreen owned process doing -bs Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM, KWR08495@acuvax.acu.edu Subject: Re: A quick introduction... From: matthew green narcosis is the most amazing 23 or so minutes of music i own. .mrg. From mgw2414@u.cc.utah.edu Fri Nov 12 11:24 PST 1993 From: Matthew Wimmer Subject: Re: A quick introduction... Cc: Matthew Kirkcaldie , seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM, KWR08495@acuvax.acu.edu Ok, I may be the only person in the world to think this, but I like From the Well, even like when his kids sing (except nursery fugue, which sucks), and yes, even Melodie. Ok, ok, the bitch can't sing, but neither can a lot of people. And I hate Manchild and Myth, I put it on the other day and got two songs into it when I realized why I hadn't listened to it for so long. Does ANYONE share like opinions? From bove@goethite.geo.cornell.edu Fri Nov 12 14:41 PST 1993 From: "Dan Bove" Subject: from the well... actually, i'm not a big fan of from the well, though i kinda like testing 3.2.1 and i absolutely adore Nursery Fugue. Absolutely adore. since i live in the middle of butt-fuck-nowhere (also known as the southern tier in western new york) there is a decided lack of import places around here. I was wondering if anyone can suggest a mail-order place with a lot of these church and solo imports? or maybe even some place in australia where i can try to snag one of those first 25,000 copies of the new album... thanks... Dan From n9282183@honeydew.cc.wwu.edu Fri Nov 12 15:46 PST 1993 From: "Nicole B. Hall" Subject: narcosis Hey all, I agree with what people have been saying....Narcosis is wonderful. I still can't figure out one of the last verses of 'Fall in Love' tho...something about "friend of the man..." or maybe not. Any ideas? That song is amazing. --------------------------------------------------------- | Nicole Hall |I go back to my blindness| |Western Washington University| so that I may see again | | n9282183@henson.cc.wwu.edu | --The Church | --------------------------------------------------------- From mspizuco@sas.upenn.edu Fri Nov 12 16:01 PST 1993 From: mspizuco@sas.upenn.edu (Matthew Paul Spizuco) Posted-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 93 19:06:34 EST Subject: megalopolis Megalopolis came out right before GAF and has Metropolis, Monday Morning, and Much Too Much. -- Matthew Paul Spizuco********************************************************** MSPIZUCO@SAS.UPENN.EDU Vertebrate Paleontology "Next to Hydrogen, stupidity is the most common element in the universe." - Harlan Ellison ****************************************************************************** From dwohlfor@sisters.cs.uoregon.edu Fri Nov 12 16:19 PST 1993 From: dwohlfor@sisters.cs.uoregon.edu Subject: First Hex album Well, I picked it up yesterday for $10 new! I love stores that cater to a mainstream music culture and hence mark down stuff I love! Now if I could just get them to bring the import price down... Anyway, the album is great. There was some dispute as to its "accessibility", but I think that the music and vocals are just wonderful. I also got the first All About Eve album, and was wondering if they're as good after Ann Carlberger and MWP are with them as they are without? (I would assume they're even better :) This may be e-mail suicide, but I have the guitar music (For Starfish and Gold Afternoon Fix) in tab format, and was considering transcribing them into ASCII format as time permits. Most of the songs are rather involved, though, as there are always at least two guitars, and I'm usually attached to a white-board solving obscure computation theory problems, so it may take me a while. *meek smile* BUT: I would be more than happy to take an e-mail survey of the most wanted songs off of these two albums, and do them in that order. I've also got a few songs off seance that I play by ear, but wouldn't want to transcribe them as it might be a bastardization, and a poor one at best! Anyway, let me know if something like this interests you at all! , Deaslainte, dave From matthewk@postoffice.utas.edu.au Fri Nov 12 16:28 PST 1993 From: Matthew Kirkcaldie Subject: Transcriptions Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Well, I'd absolutely love to get hold of "Antenna". That's my favourite _Starfish_ track. If "Disappointment" doesn't include the solo, I can post the one I've worked out, which is very close (if not the same) and is playable by people with ability as limited as mine (this is not false modesty, either...) Matthew. From mrgreen@mame.mu.OZ.AU Fri Nov 12 20:01 PST 1993 X-Authentication-Warning: circlip.mame.mu.OZ.AU: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Authentication-Warning: circlip.mame.mu.OZ.AU: mrgreen owned process doing -bs Subject: Re: Transcriptions From: matthew green >Well, I'd absolutely love to get hold of "Antenna". That's my favourite >_Starfish_ track. if i get time i'll see if i can type it in. it's not hard ;-) >If "Disappointment" doesn't include the solo, I can post the one I've >worked out, which is very close (if not the same) and is playable by >people with ability as limited as mine (this is not false modesty, either...) the book of GAF has the solo in it. .mrg. From s932544@yallara.cs.rmit.oz.au Fri Nov 12 21:03 PST 1993 From: Mr BuDGiE Subject: Re: A quick introduction... Cc: mrgreen@mame.mu.OZ.AU, matthewk@postoffice.utas.edu.au, seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM, KWR08495@acuvax.acu.edu > Ok, I may be the only person in the world to think this, but I like From > the Well, even like when his kids sing (except nursery fugue, which > sucks), and yes, even Melodie. Ok, ok, the bitch can't sing, but neither > can a lot of people. And I hate Manchild and Myth, I put it on the other > day and got two songs into it when I realized why I hadn't listened to it > for so long. Does ANYONE share like opinions? I haven't as yet heard 'from the well', but i did like the 'iridescence' ep, although a bit rough for my liking, but not too bad (blue vinyl too). I did manage to catch PK and the Well about a year ago for the 'iridescence' ep launch (with Richard Ploog on drums) and this show just blew me away. PK's singing wasn't great (too soft at times) but the guy can play a mean guitar, there were a couple of really good instrumentals with PK playing slide guitar which were fantastic! PK seemed to put in 110% for this show, and performed heaps better than he did for his last church show, if PK and the Well are playing, don't be put off by the albums, go see the guy, he really puts in a hell of a performance. my 2 cents worth, -Andrew.. r From mrgreen@mame.mu.OZ.AU Fri Nov 12 22:18 PST 1993 X-Authentication-Warning: circlip.mame.mu.OZ.AU: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Authentication-Warning: circlip.mame.mu.OZ.AU: mrgreen owned process doing -bs Subject: Re: A quick introduction... <199311130501.QAA11236@yallara.cs.rmit.oz.au> From: matthew green .. can people please reply only to the list ? even though i love talking about the church, etc, multiple mail's don't made it more so, sadly. thanks, .mrg. From p8ef044@stan.xx.swin.OZ.AU Sat Nov 13 00:29 PST 1993 From: PAYLING J Subject: Re: album-esque Cc: Church On Fri, 5 Nov 1993, Smith, Brian wrote: > > > > The Church get alot of promotion over here in Australia.. in fact HEAPS.. > > They do ?! This is news to me.....I've never heard them mentioned on TV, > seldom on radio, and just try getting a Church poster ! Maybe they're > mentioned on indie radio shows, but that's hardly a wide market. I don't > think the Church are seen as a "commercially viable" prospect. Steve's > always saying "my albums sell three copies but that's fine with me." > Ok, well not many bands over here do get TV coverage.. but as for the press the 'P=A' ad was on every music magazine I picked up during its month of release and later... usually 2 or 3 full page ads.. Regards, Elkor. From jmnuzum@COLBY.EDU Sat Nov 13 09:59 PST 1993 From: jmnuzum@COLBY.EDU (james marcus nuzum) Subject: verily hello i am a dj for a small Maine radio station called 90.5 WMHB. i have been listening to the church for 3 years. i have all of their albums, but no singles, or rarities, or bootlegs. this is a grievious fact of my life and i would really like to obtain some more church stuff in order to remedy this affliction. my fave album is probably starfish(the poem in the cover is wildy sensual and nostalgic), while my fave songs are probably belair, hotel womb, spark, disenchanted...favorite song is really a toughy. i don't have a pasly shirt but will now make an effort to get one. i do have some solo stuff...i have SK's earthed, PK's from the well, and MWP's art attack, rhyme, spirit level, and the luscious ghost ep. i like marty's work a lot, and my fave songs by him are probably: kiss you to death, forever, whisper...i also really like his influence in the church...spark, trance-ending, fields of mars... i have a question...what or where is "winterland". i have heard this term in the song "into my hands" off of remote lux. and in some of marty's work. is it swedan? something to do with love? if anyone has any answers to these questions, or any church stuff to share with me, give me word at jmnuzum@colby.edu i play the church on every radio show that i do, and over the air, i named november "national the church month" and told all my listeners to go out and buyy some church stuff. jim nuzum From mgw2414@u.cc.utah.edu Mon Nov 15 08:05 PST 1993 From: Matthew Wimmer Subject: temperature drop in downtown winterland... I think winterlands is a stadium or venue somewhere in Australia, Sydney maybe. Although the church seem to use it in a somewhat different sense. Maybe its their favorite place to play... or not play, now, I guess. At least someone thinks From the Well rocks-- I just wish at least one member of the church would come to utah (this is highly ironic if you live here, what with all the mormons) though... last time was like 89 with peter murphy, and I couldn't go. Maybe if I wrote Melodie, and asked her to ask Peter... No wait! the kids! Daddy, can we go to Utah? Pleeeaasse? How could he resist? From xymox!anthony@zikzak.apana.org.au Mon Nov 15 10:13 PST 1993 16 Nov 1993 03:50:23 +1000 16 Nov 93 01:40:55 AEDT From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Margot in Billboard consid@access.digex.net, SAINTY_P@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz, uli@zoodle.robin.de Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT If you have access to Billboard Magazine, track down the issue dated October 30th, 1993, and turn to page 52. There's a picture there taken at the Continental, Greville St, Prahran (a Melbourne suburb) or Margot with Karl Wallinger from World Party, after Margot's first ever live appearance supporting Karl & company. They've made a bit of a mess of the caption, though - they identify her as "Margot Smity"! Yes, Billboard, we KNOW the "y" key's above the "h" key. Now hire a proofreader! :-) If you spot any reference to Margot or her album in non-Australian press, please let me know, I'd appreciate it. Thanks! Anthony ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au "I kind of feel like I'm Metallica..." - Tori Amos on the perils of long tours, November 1992 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Wed Nov 17 14:03 PST 1993 From: pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Subject: electric lash To Thad, who's copy of "Hindsight" missed a few lyrics to "electric lash" (mine did too), the line is : "A moon, a knot, a guess". This is how they appear on the lyrics to "seance" -paul From pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Wed Nov 17 14:34 PST 1993 From: pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Subject: new stuff Firstly, to Dave, who asked about All About Eve. I have the 2 CD's and a few 12"'s they have released since Marty has been with them. I think that they are awesome albums! I definately think they are better with Marty (who wouldn't be?). I didn't know anything about Ann Carlberger being with them though. Does anyone know about this? I heard from someone that the band had broken up after "ultraviolet", so maybe they reformed with Ann doing vocals? Anyway,. the 2 CD's "Touched By Jesus" and "Ultraviolet" are definately worth checking out. Secondly, in the discography there is something about a pressing of "heyday" that included 2 instrumental tracks, and stickers. I know a friend of Marty's who said that Marty told him that that was "rubbish" and did not exist. Does anyone know anything about it? Finally, some new bootlegs for the list. The Church: Amsterdam, 1988 80 min or so, fair/poor quality, audience recording When You Were Mine N.S.E.W. \blood money Columbus Bel-Air \destination A New Season Almost With You Fly A Month of Sundays Milky Way Spark Shadow Cabinet Reptile Hotel Womb Tantalized Is This Where You Live You Took The Church, Milan Italy, 1988 52 min,good quality, from a professional TV recording When You Were Mine N.S.E.W. Destination Columbus You Took Milky Way Myrrh Unguarded Moment Reptile Tantalized The Church, Bologna Italy 1985 35 min, OK/good quality, from pro TV recording Myrrh Tristesse Roman Life Speeds Up Shadow Cabinet Tantalized You Took later, paul From mosk Wed Nov 17 16:37 PST 1993 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: new stuff > From pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Wed Nov 17 14:34 PST 1993 > Firstly, to Dave, who asked about All About Eve. I have the 2 CD's and a > few 12"'s they have released since Marty has been with them. I think > that they are awesome albums! I definately think they are better with > Marty (who wouldn't be?). I didn't know anything about Ann Carlberger > being with them though. Does anyone know about this? I heard from > someone that the band had broken up after "ultraviolet", so maybe they > reformed with Ann doing vocals? Anyway,. the 2 CD's "Touched By Jesus" > and "Ultraviolet" are definately worth checking out. > I doubt that Ann Carlberger will do the lead vocals for AAE. Personally I don't think her voice will carry like Julianne's does. And I agree that the 2 cd's with Marty are great. I also have an italian bootleg cd by them, and although Marty is only on 3 tracks, it's a great album. In my opinion all the songs are better than their studio counter-parts. And I never cared too much for the band before Marty joined... :-) And, if Marty answers me back, he will hopefully clearify what the status of the band is. I did ask him... > Secondly, in the discography there is something about a pressing of > "heyday" that included 2 instrumental tracks, and stickers. I know > a friend of Marty's who said that Marty told him that that was "rubbish" > and did not exist. Does anyone know anything about it? > I have asked this question in my next letter to Steve, which will be sent off today or tomorrow... > Finally, some new bootlegs for the list. Thanks, I will update the discog... > later, paul > -morten PS. Does anyone have a mailing program for Amiga? Anthony Horan asked me if I knew of one. I don't. Please contact him if you do... From BSmith@VCOMTELC.TELECOM.com.au Wed Nov 17 18:40 PST 1993 From: "Smith, Brian" Subject: Bad start on "Ride Into The Sunset" I have a question regarding Quick Smoke, namely the song "Ride Into the Sunset". On my copy the opening of the song is missing the first half a second or so. Instead of Steve singing "Out in the open", it starts with "Open" . Is it just my CD, or do all copies of Quick Smoke At Spots have this problem. If its all of them, then that's a really bad fault in my opinion. What sort of idiot would make a CD that had a track that wasn't created correctly ? Brian From pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Wed Nov 17 18:47 PST 1993 From: pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Subject: Red Eye For those of you who were asking about Red Eye Records, here is the address etc: Shop 1: new import & local CD's & records 18 Lower Concourse, Amex Tower Corner King & George Streets Sydney Shop 2: used & collectors CD's & records 5 A&B Tank Stream Arcade Corner king & Pitt Streets Sydney Mail: GPO Box 211 Sydney 2001 Aust. ph (02) 233 8177 fax 61.2.223 5219 Last time I contacted them, CD's were $29 Aust., CD singles $9 Aust. plus postage to the US at $5 for 1 CD, $10 for 2, $20 for 3 or more. -paul From matthewk@postoffice.utas.edu.au Wed Nov 17 19:32 PST 1993 From: Matthew Kirkcaldie Subject: "Ride Into the Sunset" Yes, mine does that, too. It's complete on the "Metropolis" CD single, though. My Cocteau Twins EP _Echoes in a Shallow Bay_ has a fault at the start of the first track, which wasn't on the vinyl. Also on _A Quick Smoke at Spot's_, my version has little punch holes through Richard Ploog's face on the front and back inserts. Not holes as such, but as if a pattern of needles had been stamped through it. Anyone else's? Funny that Richard was leaving about that time... Matthew. From mosk Wed Nov 17 22:26 PST 1993 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: "Ride Into the Sunset" > From matthewk@postoffice.utas.edu.au Wed Nov 17 19:32 PST 1993 > > Yes, mine does that, too. It's complete on the "Metropolis" CD single, > though. > Mine too. I guess it's that way the disc was mastered... > My Cocteau Twins EP _Echoes in a Shallow Bay_ has a fault at the start of > the first track, which wasn't on the vinyl. > The worst example of engineering blunders I have heard is the song "Shit Creek" by Icicle Works which is missing 1 minute and 4 seconds between the english and american version of the CD. > Also on _A Quick Smoke at Spot's_, my version has little punch holes > through Richard Ploog's face on the front and back inserts. Not holes as > such, but as if a pattern of needles had been stamped through it. Anyone > else's? Funny that Richard was leaving about that time... > Punch holes? Mine doesn't, unless you count the couple of black spots that are on the picture... > Matthew. -m From mosk Thu Nov 18 07:47 PST 1993 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: FORWARDED article from alt.music.alternative This is an article from alt.music.alternative, forwarded by Anthony Horan . ----- Begin Included Message ----- From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: FORWARDED article from alt.music.alternative (Have a look at the track listing - track 8 sounds interesting... :-) ------------- beginning of forwarded article ------------- |From: dap@portal.vpharm.com (David A. Pearlman) |Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative,rec.music.misc |Subject: New promo Arista Records compilation |Date: 16 Nov 1993 01:19:28 -0500 The Alternamavens among you (and you know who you are, even if no one knows what "alternative" is) may be interested in a new promo-only compilation that Arista Records has issued. It contains 11 tracks by "alternative" bands, a number of which are hard-to-find/previously unissued. The CD is titled Arista Alternative, ASCD2644. If you're interested, check your local used shops... The contents: 1) Partridge Family: Come On Get Happy 2) Stick: Drinking and Driving (b-side of Resistance 7") 3) Muzza Chunka: Float (from the Fishy Pants album) 4) Family Cat: Airplane Gardens (a-side of a UK Dedicated 7") 5) Straitjacket Fits: If I Were You (alternative mix; orig from Blow album) 6) Sarah McLachlan: Solsbury Hill (from a 1989 EP) 7) Patti Smith: Piss Factory (Live from her 1993 Central Park concert) 8) The Church: My Little Problem (From the forthcoming Sometime, Anywhere LP) 9) Chapterhouse: We Are the Beautiful (Spooky Extraaganja dub mix; from the "value added" version of Blood Music) 10) Cranes: Leave Her to Heaven (b-side of the UK Dedicated 7" of Jewel) 11) Spiritualized: Electric Mainline I (from a UK Dedicated 4-song EP) 12) Spiritualized: Electric Mainline II (same as 11) dap -- David A. Pearlman Vertex Pharmaceuticals Inc. email: dap@vpharm.com ---------------- end of forwarded article ---------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- End Included Message ----- Wow! The Partridge Family and The Church on the same album. I just gotta have it... :-) -m From tlovell@eng.umd.edu Thu Nov 18 10:52 PST 1993 From: Thomas Alan Lovell Subject: ride into the sunset does anyone know if vinyl/cassette versions of QSAS have the same glitch? although it most likely is a CD error only, i suppose it _might_ be possible that due to shoddy post-production, mixing, etc, of the album itself, the error showed up on LP & cassette as well. alan From pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Fri Nov 19 12:02 PST 1993 From: pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Subject: Red Eye I just posted some addresses etc. for Red Eye records, but got a message back saying it was undeliverable. Did this info make it out to the group or should I post it again? -paul From mosk Fri Nov 19 12:47 PST 1993 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: Red Eye Yes Paul it made it to the list. I assume the error message you saw was for one account on the list who has exceeded his mail-quota. I have seen that message to on my last few posts. I will take him off the list for right now.... -morten > From pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Fri Nov 19 12:02 PST 1993 > From: pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu > Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1993 12:05:17 -0800 > To: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM > Subject: Red Eye > > I just posted some addresses etc. for Red Eye records, but got a message > back saying it was undeliverable. Did this info make it out to the group > or should I post it again? > -paul > From Tim_Lucas@equinox.gen.nz Fri Nov 19 15:40 PST 1993 From: Tim_Lucas@equinox.gen.nz (Tpl) Subject: Inscribtions on Red Eye Records I was listening to one of Steve Kilbeys creations this morning, namly `Earthed' and noticed some lettering inscribed into the record at the very end of the album. Upon further investigation i found that there was lettering on all of the Red Eye Records that I have. Here's what they say: Steve Kilbey - earthed: side 1. `LADY, THIS IS ILLYRIA' side 2. `DESPERATELY SEEKING NEUMAN' Steve Kilbey - Unearthed side 1. `HERES ANOTHER CLUE FOR YOU ALL, THE WALRUS WAS STEVE' side 2. `SHOULD BE LISTENED TO IN THE BEDROOM + OUT OF IT' Jack Frost - side 1. `COME GOOD SERPENT......DOWN THE CLOCK!' side 2. `FAB MACCA PAYS PARIS SURCHARGE WITH MESCAL' I suppose these are the same on all the albums. The only one that seems to make any sence is side 2 on Unearthed! They look like questions from a cryptic crossword. Can anyone shed some light? Cheers, TPL From gsa@panix.com Sat Nov 20 07:25 PST 1993 From: Gary Assa Subject: Re: Inscribtions on Red Eye Records Cc: SEANCE@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM > Steve Kilbey - earthed: side 1. `LADY, THIS IS ILLYRIA' > side 2. `DESPERATELY SEEKING NEUMAN' > > Steve Kilbey - Unearthed side 1. `HERES ANOTHER CLUE FOR YOU ALL, > THE WALRUS WAS STEVE' > side 2. `SHOULD BE LISTENED TO IN THE > BEDROOM + OUT OF IT' > I suppose these are the same on all the albums. The only one that seems > to make any sence is side 2 on Unearthed! > How about side 1 of unearthed. This is related to the Beatles' Glass Onion where it says, "The Walrus was Paul." From mosk Sun Nov 21 13:04 PST 1993 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: Inscribtions on Red Eye Records > From Tim_Lucas@equinox.gen.nz Fri Nov 19 15:40 PST 1993 > Here's what they say: > > Steve Kilbey - earthed: side 1. `LADY, THIS IS ILLYRIA' > side 2. `DESPERATELY SEEKING NEUMAN' > > Steve Kilbey - Unearthed side 1. `HERES ANOTHER CLUE FOR YOU ALL, > THE WALRUS WAS STEVE' > side 2. `SHOULD BE LISTENED TO IN THE > BEDROOM + OUT OF IT' > > Jack Frost - side 1. `COME GOOD SERPENT......DOWN THE CLOCK!' > side 2. `FAB MACCA PAYS PARIS SURCHARGE > WITH MESCAL' > > I suppose these are the same on all the albums. The only one that seems > to make any sence is side 2 on Unearthed! > > They look like questions from a cryptic crossword. > > Can anyone shed some light? > > Cheers, TPL > > > From gsa@panix.com Sat Nov 20 07:25 PST 1993 > How about side 1 of unearthed. This is related to the Beatles' Glass Onion > where it says, "The Walrus was Paul." > > I believe the inscription on side 2 of Jack Frost has something to do with a dope-sentence that McCartney received at some point. I don't remember the exact surroundings, so I guess it's just a wild guess :-) Anyway, I believe these "scriblings" on the records started with the great punk revolution in the UK in 76, probably with the first Stiff release "So it goes" by Nick Lowe. Some of these scriblings were quite amusing, sometimes the best thing about the record. I think Steve just continues the tradition. I don't think they are a great cryptic messages from the God-Energy. Then again, I have been wrong before :-) Here's a few more: SLOW CRACK: Side 1: "Karin is a woman with reason" Side 2: "S.K.: Reptile, Amphibian or Starfish?" TRANSACTION ep Side 1: "12" inches of Kilby" (yes, it is misspelled!) Side 2: "Do not read this message" REMINDLESSNESS Side 1: "We live in the void of Metamorphoses" Side 2: "$ilver Evening $hot" Side 3: "Calling Down Baal and Zeus...." Side 4: "If you play this record backwards you'll f your needle" (My favorite...) FIREMAN 7" Side 2 (only): "Mubby's Choice" From BSmith@VCOMTELC.TELECOM.com.au Sun Nov 21 16:54 PST 1993 From: "Smith, Brian" Cc: Church Subject: Re: Inscribtions on Red Eye Records > > Steve Kilbey - earthed: side 1. `LADY, THIS IS ILLYRIA' > > side 2. `DESPERATELY SEEKING NEUMAN' > > > > Steve Kilbey - Unearthed side 1. `HERES ANOTHER CLUE FOR YOU ALL, > > THE WALRUS WAS STEVE' > > side 2. `SHOULD BE LISTENED TO IN THE > > BEDROOM + OUT OF IT' > > I suppose these are the same on all the albums. The only one that seems > > to make any sence is side 2 on Unearthed! > > > How about side 1 of unearthed. This is related to the Beatles' Glass Onion > where it says, "The Walrus was Paul." > Lady this is Illyria MAY be Shakespeare. Desperately Seeking Neuman strikes me as a play on words of the bloody awful Madonna film "Desperatly Seeking Susan". Was this released around the same time as Earthed ? Brian Smith From s2140625@cs.unsw.oz.au Sun Nov 21 20:02 PST 1993 From: s2140625@cs.unsw.oz.au (Mark Darren Reid) Subject: Hi Just a brief note to say that I've also joined this mailing list. I'm Mark Reid, currently studying Maths and Computing at the University of New South Wales, Sydney, Australia. I've just today finished my last exam for first year (cheer). Anyway, I think I first heard the Church back in '88 with "Under The Milky Way", I'm sure I'd heard earlier stuff than that but never really paid attention to who sung it. I think I first bought GAF in 1990 followed by Starfish and whatever else I could find. My favourite album is.... either "Preist = Aura" or "The Blurred Crusade", depending on how I'm feeling :). As for favourite song, it would have to be one of: "Texas Moon", "Kings", "You Took", or "Fly". Seeya, Mark. From s2140625@cs.unsw.oz.au Sun Nov 21 20:11 PST 1993 From: s2140625@cs.unsw.oz.au (Mark Darren Reid) Subject: Questions, questions... I'm new here and although I realise some of the question I'll ask have probably been bashed around here before, so bear with me: What's the name of, and when is the new album by the Church coming out? Where can I get lyrics for Steve Kilbey songs from? Does "Sing Songs" exist on CD? Are there any music transcriptions of songs other than from GAF and Starfish? Why did Peter leave? How can I write to any of the members of The Church? Thanks, Mark. From mosk Sun Nov 21 21:04 PST 1993 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Revisited: Inscriptions on Red Eye Records > From mosk Sun Nov 21 13:04 PST 1993 As I was typing this this afternoon, the keyboard on my Xterminal quit and all I could use was the mouse to send this unfinished piece of mail off (there was too much typing involved to _not_ send it off...) First a correction (my very inquisitive 7 year old son was reading over my shoulder, so I decided not to type the full word in). The inscription on side 4 of Remindlessness should of course read... > Side 4: "If you play this record backwards you'll > fuck your needle" (My favorite...) And such an interesting theme of course sent me searching through the rest of my collection. Here's what else I found.... REMOTE LUXURY ep: Side 1: "It's a mmm...mental block" Side 2: "The Real Church" REMOTE LUXURY lp: Side 1: "It's a m..m..m..mental block" Side 2: "Echos of Ghostly Dogs" (would someone sell them a spellchecker?) COLUMBUS/TRANCE ENDING 7" Side 1: "That was the Sea, This is the Ocean" Side 2: "Meanwhile on a remote windswept Abyssinian Plateau..." P.K.'s M&M on Session Recs: Side 1: "Myriad Miracles" Side 2: "Empire Rose And The Surrey Secret" Hmm... I forgot to look at the MWP records.... Oh well. You all know me well enough to rest assured that if they have insriptions I'll let you know... Yes, yes, I know... I need a Life Tool. Double Click on it and get one... :-) -morten From mosk Sun Nov 21 22:39 PST 1993 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Santa Church Is Coming To Town.... Dear Consumers, There are only 33 more shopping days to Christmas. Do you know what you're going to give all of your loved ones??? We thought not. It's always difficult to find the right thing for your significant other, something that will really tell him/her how much you love them etc. And what about that Grandmother of yours? She has just about everything she needs, right? She doesn't need another pair of slippers and she has just about every blanket that frail body of hers can handle... 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That's right, for five bucks each you can get these items: THE CHURCH 7" Singles: - Columbus / Trance Ending EMI Parlophone A1728 - Warm Spell Flexi-disc BOB 9 - Texas Moon Flexi-disc BOB 19 - Antenna / Frozen And Distant Arista 1A 111620 12" Singles: - Tantalized (Ext) / The View / As You Will EMI 12 EMI 15557 - Under The Milky Way / Musk Arista AD1-9669 CD5: - Russian Autumn Heart Arista ARCD 2068 - Megalopolis Arista ASCD 9944 Vinyl LP: - Of Skins And Heart EMI Parlophone EMC 251 - The Church (Canadian rel.) Capitol ST-12193 - The Church (French rel.) 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From pjmorse@unix.amherst.edu Mon Nov 22 08:29 PST 1993 From: Polar Bear Subject: Revisited: Inscriptions on Red Eye Records (fwd) > From Morten.Skjefte@ebay.sun.com Mon Nov 22 00:15:28 1993 > COLUMBUS/TRANCE ENDING 7" Side 1: "That was the Sea, This is the Ocean" Could this be a play on the Waterboys' second LP, "This is the Sea," the title song of which has the chorus "That was the river, this is the sea"? polar bear at Bowdoin, beleive it or not... From rcr@u.washington.edu Mon Nov 22 08:54 PST 1993 From: Rhonda Corcoran Subject: Re: Revisited: Inscriptions on Red Eye Records (fwd) Cc: seance list > > > From Morten.Skjefte@ebay.sun.com Mon Nov 22 00:15:28 1993 > > COLUMBUS/TRANCE ENDING 7" Side 1: "That was the Sea, This is the Ocean" > > Could this be a play on the Waterboys' second LP, "This is the Sea," > the title song of which has the chorus "That was the river, this is > the sea"? That's what I immediately thought of, but the question is, is this a friendly reference or ?????? a sarcastic quip? Rhonda From xymox!anthony@zikzak.apana.org.au Mon Nov 22 11:39 PST 1993 (AmigaSmail1.0 for ) Tue, 23 Nov 1993 03:48:59 EST-10EDT Subject: New Zealand release delayed From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Hi people - there are now nine of you, welcome to those who've just been added. If you have missed any of the posts to date - namely, the review/discography posted to Ecto, the interview from New Woman magazine or the little news bulletin about the pic of Margot in Billboard - then feel free to mail me and ask. I'm still getting my head around the adapting of my software and adding of a new smail to cope better with a mailing list, so in case of confusion always mail me at anthony@xymox.apana.org.au - DON'T mail me at margot-list@xymox.apana.org.au as that will alias nicely upon arrival and copies will go to everyone on the list. One exception to this is if you have any comments about Margot's music, videos, whatever - then send the to margot-list@xymox if you like. It'd be great to hear what you have to say. I don't want to get into running a fully fledged discussion list just at the moment - and anyway, Ecto fills that role just fine. :-) The interview transcript, incidentally, will now turn up tomorrow night. I have been busy with more magazine work than I expected today. Now, (finally!) to the subject in the header, which is simply that I have finally figured out why Philip Sainty couldn't get a copy of "Sleeping With The Lion" in New Zealand yet - it was never released! The release of the album was put back to January 1994 by EMI New Zealand to avoid the Christmas rush. That date looks fairly firm. No word on US or UK release yet, nor is there likely to be. Mail the impromptu one-man export business, err, I mean me, if you want to get hold of a copy of the album or singles. ANd woj, your copy is FINALLY in the mail. Sorry for the delay. Moving house does that to a person. :-) Anthony ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au "I kind of feel like I'm Metallica..." - Tori Amos on the perils of long tours, November 1992 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mgw2414@u.cc.utah.edu Mon Nov 22 12:25 PST 1993 From: Matthew Wimmer Subject: messages... The desperately seeking neumann inscription... Neumann is some dude that runs in and out of the little book included with earthed, some type of spy and/or archetype. that book is cool, by the way-- I read it once while listening to earthed, and check it out now and again. Although I doubt it would ever get published elsewhere. From pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Mon Nov 22 12:30 PST 1993 From: pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Subject: All About Eve Here are a few more cuts from All About Eve, featuring Marty Willson-Piper: All are vinyl 12" The Dreamer (extended remix) Frida of Blood and Gold Road to Damascus The Dreamer (nightmare mix) Vertigo EVENX 16 (UK) 866047-1 (INT.) There was a limited # of autographed copies released too Farewell Mr. Sorrow Elizabeth of Glass All The Rings 'Round Saturn Mercury EVENX 14 (UK) 868435-1 (INT) Strange Way Drawn To Earth Nothing Without You Light As A Feather Vertigo EVENX 15 (UK) 868709-1 (INT) There was a limited edition of 10,000 gatefold sleeve covers All of these are from 1991 -paul From pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Mon Nov 22 12:34 PST 1993 From: pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Subject: Neuman In reply to Matthew Wimmer, the book from "Earthed" actually was published separately from the album in Australia. In fact, the book was published before the album was even recorded. The published version of the book is an actual paperback size, about 6" x 8", and is printed on real paper, not the CD/magazine type included with the CD. -paul From vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu Tue Nov 23 11:03 PST 1993 via MS.5.6.pcs13.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4c_411; From: Vernon H Harmon Subject: Happy Thanksgiving! Cc: Well, I'm off to DC to celebrate the holidays (today is my 3 yr anniversary with my SO, tomorrow is my 22nd birthday and Thursday is, of course, Turkey Day!). Since I won't be around, I figured I'd send my Turkey Greetings now! --Vernon. "Gobble-Gobble-Gee!!" --Adam Sandler From pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Tue Nov 23 12:36 PST 1993 From: pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Subject: Inscriptions As long as we're on the subject of album inscriptions...... Steve Kilbey - This Asphalt Eden 7" side A: A Killabee Production Peter Koppes - When Reason Forbids 12" side A: Sanctuary sou Marty Willson-Piper - Art Attack Side A: A (That is the Swedish A, with the little circle above it) Side B: Life's just one big bummer! Red Eye - Asides and Besides (featuring many SK and Crystal Set songs) Side A: How do you keep a mossy fan busy?.........(over) Side B: How do you keep a mossy fan busy?.........(over) Side C: Live Stock! Side D: Bye bye B-sides..... The Crystal Set - From Now On Side A: Mysteriousness Side B: Wally Free Zone I have no idea what they mean, but here they are anyway. -paul From n9282183@janice.cc.wwu.edu Wed Nov 24 10:07 PST 1993 From: "Nicole B. Hall" Subject: new song Hi, One of my penpals just sent me a tape with some songs from that new Arista compilation (they got it free at the radio station where he works), including that Church song "My Little Problem"!!! I must have listened to it seven or eight times already. Amazing. I can't wait for January/February to get here. It's a fairly lengthy song, too. My penpal said it sound like solo Kilbey, but I'm not so sure... Insane with impatience, Nicole --------------------------------------------------------- | Nicole Hall |I go back to my blindness| |Western Washington University| so that I may see again | | n9282183@henson.cc.wwu.edu | --The Church | --------------------------------------------------------- From mosk Wed Nov 24 12:50 PST 1993 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: new song > From n9282183@janice.cc.wwu.edu Wed Nov 24 10:07 PST 1993 > Hi, > > One of my penpals just sent me a tape with some songs from that new > Arista compilation (they got it free at the radio station where he > works), including that Church song "My Little Problem"!!! I must have > listened to it seven or eight times already. Amazing. I can't wait for > January/February to get here. It's a fairly lengthy song, too. My penpal > said it sound like solo Kilbey, but I'm not so sure... > > Insane with impatience, > Nicole > And you're not helping us any either, Nicole! :-) :-) Care to describe it a little bit??? Is it slow / fast / keyboard based / walls of guitars.... what? what? I'm dying to know!!! :-) And if they taped the whole compilation album, how is that Partridge Family track???? :-) -m From n9282183@janice.cc.wwu.edu Wed Nov 24 13:21 PST 1993 From: "Nicole B. Hall" Sender: "Nicole B. Hall" Reply-To: "Nicole B. Hall" Subject: Re: new song [stuff deleted that I wrote earlier] > And you're not helping us any either, Nicole! :-) :-) > > Care to describe it a little bit??? Is it slow / fast / > keyboard based / walls of guitars.... what? what? > I'm dying to know!!! :-) > > And if they taped the whole compilation album, how is that > Partridge Family track???? :-) > > -m Ah, sorry. *grin* (I LOVE being the first :) It's a quite melancholoy song, guitar based, and Steve sounds awesome, of course. It alternates between louder, SOMEWHAT faster, to slower and quiet. Pretty intense, IMO, but definately not as much as some of their songs. I think it's about 6 minutes long. I haven't listened to it since last night, so it's somewhat foggy in my memory right now. (and no, he didn't send me the Partridge Family track.*laugh*) -nicole From mosk Wed Nov 24 14:03 PST 1993 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: Questions, questions... Mark, You may have already have received your answers, but since nothing has shown up on the alias, I'll try to answer a couple... (yes, folks, I have been waiting this long to give someone else a chance to pipe up too :-) > From s2140625@cs.unsw.oz.au Sun Nov 21 20:11 PST 1993 > What's the name of, and when is the new album by the Church coming out? "Sometime, Anywhere" with a ltd edition 2nd album called "Somewhere Else". The only release info I have heard is January / February. > Where can I get lyrics for Steve Kilbey songs from? I'm not sure if any of Steve's solo-lyrics have been published. Some people on the list may have written some of the lyrics down... Vernon and Paul, do you have anything??? > Does "Sing Songs" exist on CD? Sing Songs has not been released on CD, although 1 song appears on the Hindsight compilation and 1 song appears on Conception compilation. > Are there any music transcriptions of songs other than from GAF and Starfish? Anyone??? Is there one for Priest=Aura??? I don't remember.... > Why did Peter leave? According to Kilbey: "He had just had enough. Who can blame him?" > How can I write to any of the members of The Church? There are addresses on most of the solo-releases and I believe you also can reach them through the record companies (Mushroom probably being the best bet...) Let me know if you need more info... > > Thanks, > Mark. Anytime... -morten From s2140625@cs.unsw.oz.au Thu Nov 25 21:12 PST 1993 From: s2140625@cs.unsw.oz.au (Mark Darren Reid) Subject: Signed Guitar I was helping a friend look for a guitar to buy about a week or so ago in this shop just down the road from the Uni I'm at and in one of the shops was a guitar signed by the one and only Marty Wilson-Piper!! I wasn't an incredibly good guitar (wasn't even a Rickenbacker!!) but it was a surprise none the less. I had a bit of a chat with the guy that ran the place and he said Marty had come in a few times to say hello, the most recent being when he was promoting "Spirit Level". Anyway, just thought you'd want to know. I've also got an article from "Rolling Stone" magazine about the Church's new album, it's actually just a preview but the reviewer had a listen to 5 songs and from what he wrote they sound pretty diverse. They aparently range from "Of Skins and Heart"-ish stuff to "Preist = Aura"-ish stuff to a deeply textured work based around a samba beat to a Techno-like song with guitar. If anyone wants to know more I could type out the interview and post it. Also, I'm going home (to Darwin) for the next three months and can't get into this account from there :( So is it possible to change my mailing address to: 2140625@hydra.maths.unsw.oz.au Thanks, Mark. From BSmith@VCOMTELC.TELECOM.com.au Thu Nov 25 21:33 PST 1993 From: "Smith, Brian" Subject: Sleeping With The Lion Hi all, As I was flipping through the booklet that accompanied M. Smith's album (the one Steve co-produced) , I noticed that Peter Koppes played some guitar ! So he's still on working terms with Steve ! Ob. album review: It's cool. Buy it. Brian "Bellyman" Smith From gsa@panix.com Fri Nov 26 15:28 PST 1993 From: Gary Assa Subject: Re: Signed Guitar Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Techno=style? Shit, that sucks. I think the Church are going to drop off my list off bands that I find superior. I will not put up with that tuneless Euro-fag music. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- * The first thing we do let's kill all the lawyers _Shakespeare * ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From RHUN@HARVARDA.HARVARD.EDU Sat Nov 27 14:51 PST 1993 From: Cynthia Winters Subject: hello, Church bio? per Morten's request, my bit: I have been listening to TC since 1982, with increasing interest since Kilbey's sideshow Jack Frost and the band's Priest=Aura. I was originally introduced to their music by my brother, who caught them live long ago near the Detroit area. Sorry, but picking a favorite song or LP is as difficult as choosing my fa- vorite flavor of ice-cream. In fact, one of the main reasons I con- tinue listening to this band is their varied musical styles and tastes. Now, for the nitty gritty. Unfortunately, I live in the USA (but that's another story) and have found it extremely tough to get my hands or eyes on any bio information regarding TC, not to mention AUS issue recordings. Finding this mailing list, and the extensive discography was a godsend, but there is more I would like to know. As a new member, please excuse my igonorance and what I'm sure will be redundant questions to this list mailing list. Here goes? Does a bio exist of the band? I've gotten the impression from interviews with band members that the idea is poison to them. However, I find this type of thing does sometimes satisy the curiosity of an avid fan. Any ideas? Is there any way for a citizen of the USA to get their hands on some of the AUS issue recordings? In particular, Kilbey's efforts outside the band released by EMI Aus or Polydor/Red Eye. Any answers or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Cynthia From xymox!anthony@zikzak.apana.org.au Mon Nov 29 03:13 PST 1993 (AmigaSmail1.0 for ) Mon, 29 Nov 1993 16:38:23 +1100 Subject: A deletion From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) The Margot Smith single "Fall Down": "Fall Down" - June 1993 - EMI Australia 8740212 - CD Single (Digipak) 1. Fall Down 2. Just 3. Cut Up 1 and 2 produced by Eddie Rayner. 3 produced by Steve Kilbey. ...has been deleted from the Australian catalogue by EMI, as is the usual custom with singles. Once stock runs out, repressing is usually not done. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au "I kind of feel like I'm Metallica..." - Tori Amos on the perils of long tours, November 1992 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From rfd@buclaa.bu.edu Mon Nov 29 09:05 PST 1993 From: rfd@buclaa.bu.edu (Richard F. Delano) Subject: Intro to me Hi all, I just recently found this list and thought I'd give a brief introduction of myself to all of you. My name is Rich Delano and I work at and attend (sometimes) Boston University. I discovered The Church late, but since have become a huge fan. My first CD was "Starfish" which I bought on a whim. I liked "Under The Milky Way", but didn't really love it. However, as soon as I heard "Destination" I was hooked. I own everything that I've been able to find, both solo and group. I have never seen the band live (although I have two unused tickets, but that's another long story). I have seen both Marty and Steve in acoustic shows. I'm not that up-to-date on recent happenings, so I msot likely will lurk for a while. I must admit that I'm surprised about Peter leaving, but I'm very excited about the new album(s). Thanks for reading this far. Talk to you all soon. Rich Boston Univ. rfd@buclaa.bu.edu P.S. The discography (where I found this address) is GREAT! From davidgl@microsoft.com Mon Nov 29 15:48 PST 1993 X-Msmail-Message-Id: B53B5E43 X-Msmail-Conversation-Id: B53B5E43 From: David Glenn Subject: Interview with MWP (maybe old news...) This is an interview with MWP that I grabbed off of America OnLine, originally posted to AOL in Aprile of 1993. I haven't seen it on the list that I can remember, BUT, if it's old news please delete and forgive me... :-) -davidgl@microsoft.com ============================================ The Church's Piper Interview with Marty-Willson Piper By Gerry Galipault What you always wanted to know about the Australian rock quartet The Church but were afraid to ask (well, maybe you were afraid ...): They're not all Australian. The group, oddly enough, is separated by several continents and uses fax machines to communicate quite a bit. They really are "contemporary intelligent rockers," as Musician once described them. And at least one member, singer- guitarist Marty Willson-Piper, doesn't like to be bothered with credit cards, driving licenses and checking accounts, but sports an enviable collection of 10,000 vinyl albums. Taking time out from touching up the cover art for his forthcoming Rykodisc solo album, Willson-Piper - in a phone interview from his home in Stockholm, Sweden, of all places - helps to dig a little deeper into the mystique of The Church, currently enjoying positive reviews for its latest Arista album, "Priest=Aura." What's been the secret of the band's 12-year career? Willson-Piper has plenty of reasons. "Belief. A strength and the courage of your convictions," he says. "The strength to be together but apart. Intelligence. Openness. And good friends. "We don't hang out together ... we're the kind of guys that are so good friends that we don't actually talk about it. Nobody admits to being friends in The Church, but whether each other likes it or not, we are. Our lives and careers don't revolve around each other." Separation brings them together, Willson-Piper says, and the freedom of outside projects and life away from the musical hotbeds help as well. "I'm so busy all the time, the last thing I want to do is live in Los Angeles or New York or Sydney or London. It's stupid to live there, living in the middle of a frying pan," he says. "You don't have to live in those cities ... all you've got t o do is sort of make people realize that if you don't live in those cities, that it's still feasible for you to work together. "I've got a solo deal, and I'm working with my girlfriend, who also has a record deal. And I work with a group in England (called All About Eve), as well as a group in Australia, and if somebody calls me up and says, 'Well, are you going to come? We need to do some writing.' I say, 'Fine. I'll be over next week.' Then I get on a plane, and it takes two and a half hours to England. It takes a day, of course, to get to Sydney." Willson-Piper passes the long air time away by reading a good book, most recently "Don Quixote." "If you try to talk to people about reading," he says, "or try to encourage them to read pieces of great work, the word 'pretentious' comes up, as if intelligence is pretentious. To understand and be inspired by art is the greatest inspiration there is, along with love and other things." Willson-Piper calls himself "a doer," who doesn't know the meaning of the word procrastination. And he's not weighed down by "capitalistic accessories we don't really need, like a driver's license, a credit card or a checkbook. I'm very interested in what world has to offer, but I don't believe I need those things." Born in Manchester, England, and raised in Liverpool during his teens, Willson-Piper was "weaned on the Beatles" and fortunate enough to have an older brother to influence his early tastes. "When I was 14 and looked at his record collection, he had 'Disraeli Gears' by Cream, 'Wheels of Fire' by Cream, 'Fresh Cream.' He had all the Beatles and various other records from the '60s. Of course, he strayed and started digging into this kind of MOR, schmaltzy crap. "One thing I've tried to do for years is try and talk him into giving me the original copies of all his early albums that he doesn't care about or play anymore. I try to get him to realize that, for me, they're gorgeous pieces of art in themselves. "With what they represent to him now, why not let them come to a home where they would fit in a beautiful, wonderful library and be appreciated with love and affection? ... He won't listen and hangs on to them and plays his Donald Fagen 'Nightfly ' CD. He still believes in that CD myth, that CDs are better." Willson-Piper says pure coincidence hooked him up with Church founders Peter Koppes and Steve Kilbey in 1980. He had left for Australia to avoid England's rough political climate, and through a friend of a friend, one of the first people he called was Koppes. He invited him to watch his new band, The Church. Four weeks later, Willson-Piper was a disciple as well. The Church, rooted in dreamy guitar rock and folk, recorded six albums before finally catching mainstream America's attention in '88 with "Starfish" and the Top-30 single "Under the Milky Way. The '90 followup LP, "Gold Afternoon Fix," solidified their spot, as does their latest effort, the harder-edged "Priest=Aura" and the single "Ripple." "It definitely has more of a bite," Willson-Piper says. "For a start, we've got a new drummer, Jay Dee Daughtery, who's with the Patti Smith Group and still is when Patti Smith decides to do something. He really added a new dimension. He's enth usiastic and a historic figure. "Our old drummer (Richard Ploog) was kind of losing the plot. Jay Dee put some new life into the group. I don't mean we were creatively stale before ... we never were that. What I mean is that Richard wasn't really putting into the group creativity and the rest of his work, and consequently with the album before this, half of it we used a drum machine. That was really difficult for us because we're not that kind of group. We need a sort of human touch." From mosk Mon Nov 29 16:04 PST 1993 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Rarities I know living in the US and getting hold of some of the stuff our boys release can be quite an agonizing ordeal. I have therefore decided to start up a search business for items you may be missing. There are routes anyone can use, such as Red Eye in Australia, regular import stores and trades on this alias an so on.... But for those of you who just wants to get the package in the mail without to much hassle...well, I'm here.... :-) On my rounds this weekend I found these items (all on CD) that can easily be picked up: Slow Crack Manchild & Myth From The Well Touched by Jesus Ultraviolet Feel CD5 Russian Autumn Heart CD5 Hindsight Quick Smoke all the Arista albums I am also in the process of testing out Red Eye's service and working on getting a UK/Europe contact established soon. If you are interested, send me mail with a "wants" list and Santa may come to your house this year! :-) -morten From mosk Mon Nov 29 16:12 PST 1993 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: Re: hello, Church bio? > From RHUN@HARVARDA.HARVARD.EDU Sat Nov 27 14:51 PST 1993 > > > Now, for the nitty gritty. Unfortunately, I live in the USA (but > that's another story) and have found it extremely tough to get my > hands or eyes on any bio information regarding TC, not to mention > AUS issue recordings. Finding this mailing list, and the extensive > discography was a godsend, but there is more I would like to know. > As a new member, please excuse my igonorance and what I'm sure will > be redundant questions to this list mailing list. Here goes? > Living in the US is a tough job, but someone has to do it! Hang in there! :-) > Does a bio exist of the band? I've gotten the impression from > interviews with band members that the idea is poison to them. > However, I find this type of thing does sometimes satisy the > curiosity of an avid fan. Any ideas? > I received a short bio when I inquired about the fanclub that Arista had for a while (is this still alive?). I'll try to find it to see if it's anything that may interest the whole group. > Is there any way for a citizen of the USA to get their hands on > some of the AUS issue recordings? In particular, Kilbey's efforts > outside the band released by EMI Aus or Polydor/Red Eye. > See my previous post... > Any answers or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > > Cynthia > -morten From mosk Mon Nov 29 16:22 PST 1993 From: mosk (Morten Skjefte) Subject: All About Eve releases I saw a couple of AAE releases last night: 1. The Radio Sessions 2. 13 Item 1 is a recording from the Glastonbury Festival in '89 and therefore without Magic Marty. I didn't buy it, since they were just another band back then.... :-) The second item, was a Jap import, without very much written in English at all. The only thing I could decipher was that there were 5 tracks and seem to have been recorded at Barrowlands sometime in '90. Trying to read titles on the inside of the booklet through the see-through part of the CD itself is not easy, but as far as I could tell these were all old songs too. Does anyone have this? Does Tim Br-whatever play on it, or is it by any chance an early concert recording with MM ? :-} -morten From magnus@nexto.udac.uu.se Mon Nov 29 23:32 PST 1993 From: Magnus Ring Subject: Kilbey on Xmas collection Reply-To: magnus.ring@udac.uu.se X-Charset: LATIN1 X-Char-Esc: 29 In a mail order catalog I order from now and then I fround this entry : Rocking Bethlehem (Ratcat/Steve Kilbey/Lime Sp.) It seems to be a Xmas collection with Oz artists. Anyone who knows anything about this album? Of course I've already ordered it but it would be nice to know if I'm waiting for something good or just another record to fill out the collection. /Magnus Ring From pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Tue Nov 30 11:57 PST 1993 From: pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Subject: Re: Kilbey on Xmas collection Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM The album contains the song "Spirit of Christmas Yet to Come" by Steve Kilbey. He does the vocals and all instruments. It's a good song, probably most at home on "Remindlessness" I think. As for the rest of the album, I haven't really listened to the other songs enough to let you know what you are in for. The album was recorded as a benefit album for a childrens hospital or something. In the liner notes, there are thanks to everyone who was responsible for the album, "..especially Steve Kilbey...". So there you go. A brilliant musician and a humanitarian to boot! -paul From pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Tue Nov 30 15:57 PST 1993 From: pmwebb@cats.ucsc.edu Subject: Re: Kilbey on Xmas collection Cc: seance@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM Sorry if you already got this, but my machine said my last message was undeliverable: The song by SK on that album is "Spirit of Christmas Yet To Come", which is a really good song. I think it would be right at home on "Remindlessness", if that is any indication of its style. As for the rest of the album, I haven't really listened to the rest of it that much, so I can't really tell you about it. The album is a Christmas benefit for a childrens hospital or something, and Steve is given special credit in the liner notes as one of the main organizers of the project. So Steve is not only a brilliant musician, he is also a humanitarian! -paul